Destruction of the CFE Treaty as a harbinger of a big war

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Destruction of the CFE Treaty as a harbinger of a big war



Operational level


Only the lazy did not say that the CFE Treaty, or the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces, had become obsolete even before Russia’s special military operation. Moreover, it is not beneficial, first of all, to our state. The issue became especially acute not only with the notorious expansion of NATO to the east, but also at the time of signing in 1990. By that time, the Soviet Union was not conducting a dialogue with the West from a position of equals, although on paper everything was decent - the NATO countries and the six members of the Warsaw Warsaw were supposed to equalize the number of weapons. According to the majority of domestic experts, in particular Mikhail Khodarenok, Gorbachev, as the main initiator of the signing, was guided exclusively by political motives. But this is only one side of the problem. There are alternative explanations for the logic of the events of thirty years ago, but more on them later. Just a few months after the CFE Treaty was signed in Paris, the Soviet Union collapsed. Theoretically, this would have allowed the new Russia not to comply with the unfavorable agreement, but Moscow then declared itself the legal successor of the USSR. Attempts to update the agreement have happened several times - the Flank Document, the Budapest and Tashkent Agreements. The updated or adapted version of the CFE Treaty, signed in 1999 in Istanbul, did not change the situation either. Almost nothing changed in the document for Russia, but new quotas appeared in the camp of a potential enemy. For example, most tanks in 1999, the Germans were assigned 3444 vehicles at once, and least of all Norway - 170. Russia received the right to deploy 6300 tanks in the territory west of the Ural Mountains. However, discussing the intricacies of the document can only be speculative - Western countries have never ratified it. Russia at that time could not dictate its terms, which the “partners” willingly took advantage of.

The CFE Treaty was not the only contract with the West. Among many, the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty happened, which almost led to the collapse of the country’s defense shield. With the light hand of Mikhail Sergeevich, modern missiles and launchers went under the knife. The total damage from the acts is still difficult to assess. Is it any wonder that NATO rapidly crawled east in the 90s and 2000s.




The people in the photo were thinking about anything but peace initiatives

Russia abandoned the CFE Treaty in stages. In 2007, the treaty was denounced, but not completely - Moscow only banned Western inspections of its troops. But the Russians did not withdraw from the Joint Consultative Group, and formally the provisions of the agreement were respected. But no one could check the execution. After the launch of the Ukrainian flywheel of violence in 2015, all contacts between Moscow within the framework of the CFE Treaty ceased - in fact, the agreement died, although hopes remained for its revival. Only now everything depended on Western countries, which had to take the first step towards reconciliation. Russia waited in vain for another seven years.

On November 7, our country officially completed its withdrawal from the treaty. On the European continent there is now no legal instrument limiting conventional weapons. Is this heading towards a big war?

Strategic level


On the history CFE can be looked at from a different angle. To do this, it is worth accepting the idea that not a single arms limitation treaty is signed for humanitarian reasons. Caring for the mythical world around the world is just another propaganda leaflet. For example, let’s take the treaties on the limitation and reduction of strategic offensive weapons, the last of which is still in force. From the outside, such legal acts make one smile - first, the two powers sign an agreement and immediately begin to look for workarounds and technologies. As a result, weapons inevitably become more expensive, but do not lose any lethal effect. Unfortunately, there is no other way yet. In the 70s, the SALT Treaties were signed between the Soviet Union and the United States. The countries agreed to limit their strategic nuclear forces on paper. It was at this time that military analysts pinned great hopes on tactical nuclear weapons. Simply put, the leaders hoped to achieve their goals not by incinerating continents, but by precision strikes. The final thesis is very simple - not a single country will voluntarily give up effective weapons, even if the enemy already has a similar “wunderwaffen”. You can refuse only if you have an even more effective baton in stock. In the second half of the last century, this could have been ammunition with a special warhead. What's all this for? Moreover, the CFE Treaty was signed by the parties with good money in their pockets. At the strategic level in the 80-90s, the understanding came that mass armies were not needed. The future lay with tactical groups that were mobile and armed with the latest technology. Operation Desert Storm only confirmed the thoughts of the theorists. It was enough to saturate the army with high-precision weapons, aircraft and reconnaissance equipment - and it would turn into invincible. And if so, then papers like the CFE Treaty can be signed. Russia's fair claims regarding the provisions of this document do not negate the main idea - the treaty was a relic of a bright past with small but well-trained armies. With the start of the special operation, the cards turned out completely differently. The notorious battalion-tactical structure of the Russian Army, which seemed ideal until 2022, did not live up to expectations. Now military planners are seriously talking about the possibility of breaking through Ukrainian fortifications with the forces of several armies! And not along the entire front line at the same time, but in a strictly limited area. The Ukrainian conflict very well demonstrated the need for extensive reserves, and not beyond the Urals, but in the immediate vicinity. Otherwise, there will be no victory. What kind of CFE Treaty can we talk about? The disadvantages of small armies were also realized in Europe. So far, opponents do not have the physical ability to expand their arsenals and recruit new divisions, but they will certainly appear in a couple of years. The CFE Treaty was supposed to die, and now it has died.


With or without the CFE Treaty, the Russian Army had to expand

Once the contract is cancelled, it is necessary to calculate the consequences. Jens Stoltenberg has already stated the need to strengthen the alliance after Russia withdraws from the CFE Treaty. When there is nothing to say, it is better to remain silent. Just yesterday, NATO designated Russia as the main enemy, concentrating all efforts on its eastern borders, and now it is calling for strengthening. Cheap rhetoric, nothing more - Brussels has been preparing for war for a long time, and a dead CFE is not an obstacle to this. But it may become a legal issue. If we look at history as a series of small steps towards a big war, then the termination of the treaty is clearly one of them. In conditions of deafness and total inability to negotiate with the West, there was simply no point in Russia continuing to put on a good face when the opponent was playing poorly.

The destruction of the CFE Treaty is also a signal to third countries that are still hesitating in choosing a side. Despite signed treaties and numerous protocols, NATO slowly and surely violated the terms. The Brussels and Washington bosses will behave in exactly the same way within the framework of new agreements, no matter with whom they are signed. However, these are secondary tasks. The main goal at the moment is the methodical build-up of military potential along the entire line of contact with NATO. The beast can be calmed only by surrounding it on all sides. And to solve this problem, Russia has absolutely everything at both the strategic and operational levels.
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  1. -6
    13 November 2023 04: 49
    So far, opponents do not have the physical ability to expand their arsenals and recruit new divisions, but they will certainly appear in a couple of years.
    The arsenals are so and so, but who to recruit from in Europe? Afro-Arabone?
    1. +5
      13 November 2023 08: 49
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The arsenals are so and so, but who to recruit from in Europe? Afro-Arabone?

      Europe has half a billion people, what problem does it have for them to have two to three times more bayonets than Russia with 140 million?
      1. -1
        13 November 2023 09: 01
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Europe has half a billion people, what problem does it have for them to have two to three times more bayonets than Russia with 140 million?

        Are you not aware of the problems with recruiting the cut-down European armies in peacetime? They're not particularly eager for money in peacetime, but how can you fight the Russians?
        1. +12
          13 November 2023 09: 34
          They'll kick you in and that's all. When it is necessary, in Europe they somehow immediately forget about democracy.
          1. -3
            13 November 2023 09: 48
            Quote: teron
            They'll kick you in and that's all. When it is necessary, in Europe they somehow immediately forget about democracy.

            Well, with what struggles pensions and other “adjustments” from the government are taking place in Europe, they set this as an example for us for a long time, but here is mobilization... Ridiculous!
            1. +10
              13 November 2023 10: 27
              Amers before WWII were also considered rich, pampered cowards. But when the government began mobilization, they went to fight.
              1. -3
                13 November 2023 11: 22
                Quote: Kmon
                Amers before WWII were also considered rich, pampered cowards. But when the government began mobilization, they went to fight.

                You mixed WWII and Vietnam. We went to fight in the 40s, but were considered sissies before Vietnam, and even then not very well. So, in Nama, America received the syndrome of the same name. Besides, we are talking about modern gayrope, there’s no other way to call it...
                1. +2
                  13 November 2023 14: 19
                  Ask the Japanese about the Americans before WWII - you will be surprised. Very similar to the modern opinion about “pampered gay Europeans”. And also read Roosevelt’s first war speech (“everyone considered us a nation of weaklings for whom others were fighting…”).
                  1. -3
                    14 November 2023 08: 13
                    Quote: Kmon
                    Ask the Japanese about the Americans before WWII - you will be surprised. Very similar to the modern opinion about “pampered gay Europeans”. And also read Roosevelt’s first war speech (“everyone considered us a nation of weaklings for whom others were fighting…”).

                    First, instead of modern Europe, bring in the USA of the 40s, and now also the opinion of the Japanese from there. I don’t care about the Japanese, we’re talking about modern Europe.

                    I understand, there is nothing to answer to this, we drag in the opinion of Japs from the 30-40s...
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Well, with what struggles pensions and other “adjustments” from the government are taking place in Europe, they set this as an example for us for a long time, but here is mobilization... Ridiculous!

                    1. +3
                      14 November 2023 11: 56
                      How is there nothing? Not only the Japanese, everyone considered the Amers to be effeminate cowards, I repeat, read Roosevelt’s speech. And what guarantees do you have that the same will not happen to modern Europeans? Look, with the Ukrainians - they say they will be greeted with flowers and joyfully surrender - they have already seriously miscalculated.
                      1. +2
                        14 November 2023 16: 02
                        I’ll say more, the Ukrainians were considered some kind of hillbillies, but they know how to fight and they know how to make missiles, the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, for example. Therefore, hoping for the weakness of the enemy is complete stupidity.
  2. +3
    13 November 2023 04: 49
    battalion-tactical structure
    It would be a platoon, or even then a separate tactical group!
    they are talking about the possibility of breaking through Ukrainian fortifications with the forces of several armies!
    Got it? Finally !
  3. +5
    13 November 2023 05: 27
    Destruction of the CFE Treaty as a harbinger of a big war

    The author is wrong in assessing the CFE Treaty negatively. But, oddly enough, from the point of view of the title, you are absolutely right.
    The point of the CFE Treaty and related treaties (including but not limited to Open Skies) is not who has more, for example, armored fighting vehicles "west of the Urals". The point was that it was impossible to suddenly assemble a military group to attack another country.

    But things didn’t work out with “flank groups” back in the 90s, with “sudden exercises” in the 00s, by the 10s “everything went awry” and even Open Sky began to be used as a “middle finger” for flights around the Capitol, the White House and our present dacha Donald Trump's Great Hope.

    https://youtu.be/pT26aMjFjms

    https://youtu.be/pl2R5zg0tto

    Let us take into account how much the CFE Treaty has helped some countries, but a real Great War has not yet happened in Europe.
    Strictly speaking, after 2014, the CFE Treaty de facto ceased to exist completely; only a few groups of international bureaucrats tried to “revive” it.

    RIP, DOVE, you did a good job, you will be missed: “NATO will present an updated defense plan with an increase in the number of military personnel to 300 thousand. Last summer, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced an increase in the number of the bloc’s rapid reaction forces from 40 thousand to 300 thousand military personnel by 2023.” https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/03/2023/641730619a79473516b9d38b
    1. -1
      13 November 2023 06: 31
      Quote: Wildcat
      The author is wrong in assessing the CFE Treaty negatively. But, oddly enough, from the point of view of the title, you are absolutely right.

      That's why contracts are written so that they can be circumvented.
      There has been no positive relationship between the West and Russia since 1812.
      1. +7
        13 November 2023 08: 50
        Quote: carpenter
        There has been no positive relationship between the West and Russia since 1812.

        Entente, ARA, Anti-Hitler Coalition, etc.
        This is purely for the 20th century; in the 19th century there were also anti-Napolian coalitions. The same battle near Leipzig with a huge bunch of allies on our side against Napoleon.
        1. -4
          13 November 2023 10: 30
          ARA was a project to pump money out of Russia and buy up property of residents for next to nothing, as well as sending spies. There was a detailed article here: https://topwar.ru/172372-ara-protiv-goloda.html
          In the Entente, the anti-Napoleonic and anti-Hitler coalition, everyone pursued their own interests.
          1. +1
            13 November 2023 12: 01
            Quote: Kmon
            ARA was a project to pump money out of Russia and buy up property of residents for next to nothing, as well as sending spies. There was a detailed article here: https://topwar.ru/172372-ara-protiv-goloda.html

            ARA saved the lives of millions of people and what could they pump out of a poor country ravaged by war? If we had money, we would buy food and ARA wouldn’t have to host it wassat
            1. -3
              13 November 2023 14: 17
              So, the head of the informational department of the INO VChK, Y. Zalin, in his memorandum “On the ARA” of January 26, 1922, noted the following:

              “The results that we identified through systematic monitoring of the activities of the ARA force us to urgently take measures that, without interfering with the fight against hunger, could eliminate everything that threatens the interests of the RSFSR in this organization. Most of the American personnel are military and intelligence agents, many of whom know the Russian language and were in Russia either in pre-revolutionary times, or in the White Guard armies of Kolchak, Denikin, Yudenich and Poland (Gavard and Fox - at Kolchak, Torner - at Yudenich, Gregg and Fink - in Polish, etc.). The Americans do not hide their hatred of Sovvlast (anti-Soviet agitation in conversations with peasants - Dr. Golder, the destruction of portraits of Lenin and Trotsky in the dining room - Thompson, toasts for the restoration of the past - Gofstr, talk about the near end of the Bolsheviks, etc.) ... Engaging in espionage, organizing and scattering a wide network throughout Russia, the ARA tends to become more and more widespread, trying to cover the entire territory of the RSFSR with a continuous ring along the outskirts and borders (Petrograd, Vitebsk, Minsk, Gomel, Zhytomyr, Kiev, Odessa, Novorossiysk, Kharkov, Orenburg, Ufa, etc.). From all of the above, we can only conclude that, regardless of the subjective desires, the ARA objectively creates, in the event of an internal uprising, strong points for counter-revolution, both ideologically and materially ... ”

              But there were a lot of valuables left, which were later collected by special Soviet stores in exchange for food. It was not easy to simply confiscate them from the population, without organizing mass repressions.
              1. +5
                13 November 2023 16: 54
                Tens of millions of lives saved
                Head of the Information Department of the INO VChK Y. Zalin
                didn't notice? Or did they not really bother him?
                The overwhelming majority of ARA employees were not foreigners, but Soviet people, citizens of the RSFSR.
                ARA organizations at that time included 300 employees from the USA and about 10 thousand citizens of the RSFSR

                As for the article you linked to, did you read it yourself? There was also information about the security officers, to understand their attitude towards the ARA even before their arrival.
                From the very beginning, the activities of the ARA in Russia were marked by a serious conflict between the security officers of the Black Sea-Kuban coast and Hoover agents who arrived in the RSFSR. Here is what the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs G. V. Chicherin informed Lenin about him in a letter of October 23, 1921:
                “The American destroyer, on which some Hooverites were traveling, was stopped at sea by Novorossiysk security officers, who searched it and behaved extremely rudely towards the Americans. When in Novorossiysk the NKID commissioner wanted to board an American destroyer to greet the Americans, the Cheka agents standing on the shore, in front of the Americans, in the most rude manner did not allow our commissioner to board the destroyer.

                What did Lenin react to, understanding the seriousness of the situation?
                The very next day, Lenin, in his characteristic categorical manner, demanded
                “To arrest the lousy Chekists and bring them to Moscow, to shoot the guilty. Put it in the Politburo on Thursday, giving timely feedback to Unshlikht and attaching all the material. ”
                1. 0
                  14 November 2023 16: 50
                  Thank you, I didn’t know that the security officers were very biased
      2. +6
        13 November 2023 10: 43
        Contracts are written for those who benefit from them. Objectively, since the Brezhnev era, disarmament treaties have been beneficial to us. But now they have covered themselves with a copper basin, let’s not point fingers at anyone.

        Okay with disarmament - oil and gas since the time of Brezhnev have been driven to Europe, driven and cherished, even under Able Archer and under Afghanistan. But now everything has turned out to be a profit for India and China; again, let’s not point fingers at anyone.
  4. -4
    13 November 2023 06: 37
    The Brussels and Washington bosses will behave in exactly the same way within the framework of new agreements, no matter with whom they are signed.
    This is the foreign policy of the United States and its European vassals - you gave your word, took your word back when it suited you. And there is only one way to fight this - to withdraw from agreements that are violated by the opposite side.
    The beast can be calmed only by surrounding it on all sides.
    We cannot surround NATO member countries from all sides purely geographically, and probably in relation to them at our borders it would be more correct to say to put up such a barrier so that even the most ardent of those who want to “defeat Russia” feel with their own skin that this will end very badly for them.
  5. -4
    13 November 2023 06: 59
    Of course, things are heading towards a big, new world war.
  6. +4
    13 November 2023 07: 41
    I have no doubt that by that time everyone knew that the Warsaw Pact had come to an end. And all the weapons that were in the former social services. countries, will remain on the territories of these countries. This was the beginning of the great disarmament of our country. Then came the Belovezhskaya Agreement, which was signed without any conditions in further policy. This infantile approach to the politics of our country has led to the current tension. Politics has been replaced by bureaucracy and accounting.
  7. 0
    13 November 2023 08: 26

    The destruction of the CFE Treaty is also a signal to third countries that are still hesitating in choosing a side. Despite signed treaties and numerous protocols, NATO slowly and surely violated the terms

    The West signs treaties based on its own benefit to restrain other states. They never intended to comply with the treaties, when the situation of the weakness of geopolitical opponents becomes obvious, the West ceases to pretend to comply with the treaties or withdraws from them
    1. -3
      13 November 2023 08: 53
      Quote: Vladimir80
      The West signs treaties based on its own benefit to restrain other states. They never intended to comply with the treaties, when the situation of the weakness of geopolitical opponents becomes obvious, the West ceases to pretend to comply with the treaties or withdraws from them

      The West has been extremely active in reducing armaments. Look at how many tanks there are in Germany now, and then look at how many are required under the CFE Treaty. There the quota has not even been set at 25%.
  8. -3
    13 November 2023 14: 10
    In terms of conventional weapons, the West, with its large economy and population, can clearly significantly overtake us. There is only one way out - thermonuclear weapons!
    1. PPD
      -2
      13 November 2023 23: 48
      Will they have enough money to rearm all this?
      And even maintain it?
      Europe is aging - will Grandpa Hans and Said from the Middle East fight?
      Sanctions are one thing, war and the preparation for it are another.
  9. +2
    13 November 2023 15: 32
    Quote: Wildcat
    Objectively, since the Brezhnev era, disarmament treaties have been beneficial to us


    If they are beneficial, it is unclear why the United States agreed to sign them
  10. +1
    13 November 2023 18: 45
    Regarding: “Russia has everything to...” - it has long been known. Grandfather Brezhnev also said: “The USSR has everything to...”. And now the USSR itself no longer exists.

    Still, we probably don’t have something...... Because all the “so that” comes down to “and we thought......, and this is how it is, but we have everything so that” In the end, the task comes down to uncoupling from the Eurotrain in order to attach to the Eastern one.
    1. +1
      13 November 2023 20: 16
      Regarding: “Russia has everything to...” - it has long been known. Grandfather Brezhnev also said: “The USSR has everything to...”. And now the USSR itself no longer exists.

      Still, we probably don’t have something...... Because all the “so that” comes down to “and we thought......, and this is how it is, but we have everything so that” In the end, the task comes down to uncoupling from the Eurotrain in order to attach to the Eastern one.

      Yeah. All so that: “The beast can be calmed only by surrounding it on all sides.” laughing
      It is not specified how NATO will be surrounded on all sides...
  11. 0
    13 November 2023 20: 24
    The main goal at the moment is the methodical build-up of military potential along the entire line of contact with NATO. The beast can be calmed down just covering it on all sides. And to solve this problem Russia has absolutely everything at both the strategic and operational levels.
    It would be good, of course, but it sounds very ambiguous about investing on all sides... In order to methodically build up military potential along the entire line of contact with NATO, what kind of economy do we need if next year approximately a third of the budget is “military-power”?! And yes, accordingly, there are some doubts about the fact that we have absolutely everything at the strategic and operational levels...
  12. 0
    13 November 2023 21: 54
    The CFE Treaty was relevant for the USSR, after the collapse of all the weapons of the Airborne Forces transferred to NATO....and the balance was already lopsided. Now there is no need for NATO to build up weapons (there are already a lot of them), but for the Russian Federation there is an opportunity to build up.
  13. 0
    14 November 2023 09: 44
    HPP however.
    The CFE Treaty was quite enough for small operations such as Ossetia, Chechnya and Syria.
    And then the media writes that there are no longer enough shells, missiles, guns, etc. to bomb Kyiv. And NATO too.
    That is, a new arms race is needed, a new golden shower in the military-industrial complex, and the CFE Treaty - of course, away
  14. 0
    14 November 2023 10: 50
    It was necessary to liquidate the CFE Treaty as soon as the conditions changed, namely the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Warsaw. Instead, they pursued a defeatist policy and tried to appease the aggressor, who, despite everything, expanded his military bloc wherever he wanted.
    As a result, we lacked heavy weapons on European territory already during the war in Chechnya. The only artillery battalion in our formation was hidden from American inspections by relocating it from its permanent deployment point. As a lieutenant, I could not understand these cunning moves. It seems to me that the Americans were well aware of this, but did not bother them because it suited them. And heavy weapons and ammunition had to be transported to Chechnya from Siberia and the Far East.
    All analysts said that there would be a big war in Europe when England left the EU and completed Brexit. Economically, this was unprofitable for her. The only explanation was that there would be a big war and the British wanted to remain “above the fray” and therefore distanced themselves from the whole of Europe. No one could understand what kind of war we were talking about. By the way, some people still don’t understand.
    1. 0
      14 November 2023 13: 20
      Quote: glory1974
      It was necessary to liquidate the CFE Treaty as soon as the conditions changed, namely the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Forces. Instead, they pursued a defeatist policy and tried to appease the aggressor

      What other “conditions”? An unexpected earthquake or flood in a particular country? These same “conditions” changed precisely as a result of the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Department.
      And the collapse occurred as a result of the main “condition” - the idiocy of our ancient feudal traditions; like sheep to go where the Master drives. So we came to the meat processing plant. And only then did they bleat in every possible way.....not before.
      And to reason under such “conditions” - what and who in the right mind should have done later - is generally “complete finish - turn out the lights.” You yourself do not understand what you are writing.
  15. 0
    14 November 2023 23: 05
    there is nothing to be surprised... everyone wants to remain in history* “right”, so the nomenclature of agreements* is reduced to “zero”... The slope angle has been formed... time will tell