The Russian Armed Forces will receive a stratospheric reconnaissance and strike complex for transmitting target coordinates in real time

The Russian Federation has begun the development of a stratospheric reconnaissance and strike complex, with the help of which the coordinates of targets will be transmitted in real time to missile and artillery units, warships and combat aviation RF Armed Forces. Izvestia reported this with reference to sources in the military department.

As the publication writes, the reconnaissance and strike complex (RUK) is based on an aircraft. It is capable of performing assigned tasks at high altitudes, including in the stratosphere, i.e. at an altitude of more than 11 kilometers.

Radar, optical-electronic or radio-technical reconnaissance systems can be installed on board the complex. The complex will detect targets on the battlefield and behind enemy lines, and then transmit coordinates to units of the Russian Armed Forces for subsequent strikes against specified targets. Thus, the effectiveness of strikes will be significantly increased.

According to newspaper sources, “News", the equipment of the complex will include suspended reconnaissance containers, which were created as part of the Sych development work. The possibility of their operation at high altitudes is being studied on the M-55 Geophysics high-altitude aircraft.

Note that the M-55 “Geophysics” is capable of rising to a height of up to 20 km. At one time, it was made to intercept high-altitude reconnaissance balloons that were in service with the US Armed Forces and were used to photograph strategic objects on the territory of the Soviet Union. Then the aircraft were retrained as reconnaissance aircraft, and also began to be actively used for research activities.

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[gryaznov.igor.]

The news is, of course, very good, but it was needed yesterday. Even though the movement has started, it’s good news

[Peter1First]

So is this just a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, or a stratospheric AWACS?

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Indeed, you can’t write like that - “above 11 km...” You can immediately compare this with a long-distance passenger flight, which usually takes place at an altitude of 10,8 km. And where is the stratosphere and why invent a “bicycle” if any existing aircraft will do for this? I look at the characteristics of the A-50U with a flight altitude of 12 km and... what's the trick here?

[Irokez]

Here is the gradation. And the range from and to is indicated.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Irokez

Here is the gradation. And the range from and to is indicated.

The earth is not round, and this picture is roughly indicative.

[Irokez]

Quote: Aerodrome

the earth is not round after all

Hm. Prove the opposite - maybe science has already moved forward.

[volodimer]

The earth has the shape of a geoid... i.e. the shape of "Earth" . This is a ball flattened from the poles, especially from the north. So, at the poles the boundaries of the zones you indicated decrease. Launching a rocket away from us towards the North Pole saves energy. There, as far as I remember, all the spheres you indicated are located 11 km below. And the rocket can be launched along a flatter trajectory.

[Zoer]

Quote: volodimer

Launching a rocket away from us towards the North Pole saves energy. There, as far as I remember, all the spheres you indicated are located 11 km below. And the rocket can be launched along a flatter trajectory.

Ehh, what a beautiful start about the Geoid. And so they made a mistake with the missile launches...
It is most advantageous to launch a rocket into space from the equator, and in a tangential direction to the rotation of the Earth. This is due to the tangential acceleration of a point moving in a circle. The tangential speed of the body at the equator is about 450 m/s, and at the latitude of St. Petersburg it is already 230 m/s. And the flattened poles have nothing to do with this.

[Zoer]

Quote: Irokez

Prove the opposite - maybe science has already moved forward.

I'm not at all surprised by your "awareness". Turbopatriots are all like that.

[bk316]

Turbopatriots are all like that.

For this reason, the fighters and all-goers are different, especially of the chosen nation - they are all as smart as a carbon copy and everyone knows everything. And all because they know how to use Wiki
It’s just a pity that they don’t understand what they’re copying and pasting.

And so they made a mistake with the missile launches...

the rocket can be launched along a flatter trajectory.

And now we don’t understand what they wrote to you about.
I’ll explain it for copy-paste lovers.
When launching space rockets to put satellites into orbit, they need to reach the first space level. The first escape velocity is the HORIZONTAL VELOCITY (tangential velocity to the orbit) RELATIVE TO THE EARTH'S CENTER OF MASS.
Therefore, the horizontal speed of the launch pad is summed up with the speed that the rocket gained.
However, when you are shooting on a ballistic trajectory, this does not matter. Because both the shooter and the target are in one coordinate system, referenced to the earth's surface. Simply put, whether you shoot from the equator IN the direction of the Earth’s rotation or AGAINST the direction the bullet will fly the same distance and approach the target at the same speed.
But something else plays a role, namely air resistance. The larger part of the trajectory a projectile flies in rarefied layers of the atmosphere (or in airless space), the slower it loses speed and, accordingly, the farther (or faster) it will fly. Therefore, when shooting through the North Pole, all other things being equal, you can use a flatter trajectory. And as you know, it’s shorter (well, if you know this ) and even better from the point of view of overcoming missile defense.

You don't have to thank me. Science is not great. This is what happens in school.

[Zoer]

Quote: bk316

And now we don’t understand what they wrote to you about.

Launching a rocket away from us towards the North Pole saves energy. There, as far as I remember, all the spheres you indicated are located 11 km below. And the rocket can be launched along a flatter trajectory.

What's so incomprehensible?
It makes no sense to launch towards the pole even from the equator. I wrote about tangential acceleration for a reason. Your footcloth is meaningless.
Well, about the all-goers.
If you consider what is happening for the second year in Ukraine as the norm, as well as the rush to organize high-quality intelligence and communications, then congratulations, you are the same turbo-patriot.

[Zoer]

Quote: bk316

The more part of the trajectory a projectile flies in the rarefied layers of the atmosphere (or in airless space), the slower it loses speed and, accordingly, the farther (or faster) it will fly. Therefore, when shooting through the North Pole, all other things being equal, you can use a flatter trajectory.

Those. Do you want to say that the rarefaction of the atmosphere depends on the absolute altitude at the surface level at this particular point? Climbers on Everest are in a frenzy from such thoughts!)))
The density of the atmosphere depends on the forces of gravity, and they decrease in proportion to the square of the distance from the center of the earth, and the medium through which this distance passes has no significance. Therefore, it doesn’t matter at all whether an ICBM flies over Everest, the Mariana Trench, or the North Pole.
It looks like you skipped physics classes at school in favor of basic military training courses.

[topol717]

So why won’t this thing become an easy target for enemy air defense?
Maybe it would be easier to launch a satellite to an altitude of 150-200 km? or better yet, a couple of such satellites. ???

[Irokez]

Quote from: topol717

So why won’t this thing become an easy target for enemy air defense?
Maybe it would be easier to launch a satellite to an altitude of 150-200 km? or better yet, a couple of such satellites. ???

The questions are interesting and let's analyze them logically.
Let’s say an altitude of 20 km near the borders of combat operations, which means far from long-range air defense (100 km for example) and medium-range air defense, too, at a depth of 50-60 or more kilometers, all locators and launchers are calculated and suppressed, and there are few of them left. Short-range air defense systems will not even reach such a height.
As for the satellites, there are few of them and they still need to be made as needed under the conditions of the SVO with new parameters and then launched. This is also an option, but not as fast and efficient. And we have about 3-4 of these aircraft, and they can send them to any point in the Northern Military District and operate not even in the combat zone, but a little further away.
What can you add?

[Johnson Smithson]

Maybe it would be easier to launch a satellite to an altitude of 150-200 km? or better yet, a couple of such satellites. ???

the satellite does not hang in place,
if in low orbit, then it flies around the earth in an hour, only the earth will already rotate during this time and it will only be over the desired place several times a day, and only for a few minutes

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from Johnson Smithson

the satellite does not hang in place,
if in low orbit, then it flies around the earth in an hour, only the earth will already rotate during this time and it will only be over the desired place several times a day, and only for a few minutes

That is why we need not a satellite, but a satellite constellation. Different orbits, different trajectories, maximum coverage of enemy territory in time and area.

[nightwolf1991]

And because, based on the flight altitude parameters, this aircraft will not have to enter the coverage area of ​​enemy air defense systems + the capabilities of modern means and systems of radio, photo and electronic reconnaissance systems. will allow him to look deep into the rear.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote from: topol717

and why won't this thing...

Here it is necessary to place the right emphasis on the wording this thing. I don’t remember exactly, but how many were collected? There was definitely no talk about production. I don’t remember - 1 or still 2? What are these about? colonels nobody They say from Kanashenkov that another cut is being prepared???

Quote from: topol717

Is it easier to launch a satellite to an altitude of 150-200 km? or better yet, a couple of such satellites. ???

[alystan]

It is capable of performing assigned tasks at high altitudes, including in the stratosphere, i.e. at an altitude of more than 11 kilometers.

The news was presented as usual, “figure it out for yourself.”
You could simply write “in the troposphere”, “more than 11 kilometers” easily fits into the fork in the picture - from 0 to 6-20 km. As well as into the stratosphere itself - from 6-20 to 50 km.
But why did these 6-20 km fit both here and there?

[pettabyte]

From 6 to 50?
With such a scale, everything except some helicopters is stratospheric.

[Denis812]

Show me at least one reconnaissance aircraft that transmits data from the stratosphere to the battlefield.
Neither the A50 nor the Western AWACS do this. Their combat mode is at 3-6 kilometers altitude.

[vargo]

As far as I understand, the era of high-altitude reconnaissance is gone. It will be difficult for AWACS at such a height (the air is very rarefied). Something is not clear. Maybe the news is fake?

[Civil]

“Geophysics” or SR-71, I hope it will be unmanned, or even better, an airship with a platform... but it’s not clear what this idea is better than a satellite with good “eyes”...

[dmi.pris1]

I saw "Geophysics" in a test flight at the Smolensk aircraft plant in the late 70s

[NIKN]

The idea is not bad, but where is the M-55 “Geophysics” produced in our country? And are there at least a couple of copies left in flying condition? Well, theory can be developed endlessly, but practice is a problem.

[Sergey Valov]

“Are there at least a couple of copies left in flying condition?” - there are, two or three years ago I saw it in the sky at a low altitude.

[solar]

One remained in airworthy condition.

[U-58]

That's right, the rest have been abandoned and rotted into dust for a long time.

[Qas]

So what if you saw her?

[cpls22]

Quote: Civil

“What is this idea\better than a companion with good “eyes” is not clear...

The satellite cannot circle in one area. To constantly monitor it, you need more than one satellite. The satellite's power supply is severely limited.

[Sergey Valov]

“I hope there will be an unmanned one” - oh, those drone lovers. How will you maintain contact with him - through a repeater plane?
“an airship with a platform is even better” - at what altitude and what distance from the front line do you propose to fly this ideal target?

[Romario_Argo]

M-55 Geophysics (M-17RM) only 5 vehicles produced
M-17 Stratosphere 3 vehicles produced - all written off
without the resumption of M-55 production, we can’t dream of any stratospheric reconnaissance

[nightwolf1991]

On the contrary, the thinness of the air will only help with this. The plane has less air resistance, which means less fuel costs - longer time in the air. And as they say: I sit high and look far away)

[pettabyte]

Quote: NightWolf1991

The plane has less air resistance

But, here’s the problem, you need to push off (there’s pressure, there’s a vacuum, this and that) from this very air in order to fly and not fall.

[Fitter65]

Quote from: Peter1First

So is this just a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, or a stratospheric AWACS?

Neither completely the first, and not completely different. The photo shows M-55 "Geophysics". M-55 "Geophysics" - Soviet high-altitude subsonic reconnaissance aircraft

After the downing of Powers' plane, the USSR attempted to copy the U-2. The design of the vehicle, designated S-13, was carried out by the Beriev Design Bureau. Work on it was stopped in May 1962. The development of a high-altitude interceptor aircraft began at the V. M. Myasishchev Design Bureau in the late 1960s. The purpose of creating such an aircraft was to intercept high-altitude reconnaissance balloons that were regularly launched by American intelligence services and sometimes flew considerable distances deep into the territory of the USSR. For various reasons, the construction of the first aircraft was delayed until the 1980s, and the first prototype M-17 Stratosphere with registration number USSR-17103 took off on May 26, 1982.

By this time, the problem of reconnaissance balloons had already lost its relevance, and a decision was made on the basis of the M-17 to create a high-altitude reconnaissance and strike complex, consisting of the reconnaissance aircraft itself and a ground guidance and control point that provides target designation for surface-to-surface and strike missiles. airplanes. The modified M-17RM aircraft made its first flight on August 16, 1988. At the OKB, the aircraft received the designation M-55 “Geophysics”. A two-seat training modification of the M-55U aircraft has been developed.

Work was underway to create a two-seat high-altitude aerial surveillance aircraft, Geophysics-2, which has improved aerodynamics and an elongated fuselage.

Then they remade it into everything. Go to the corner of the sky and read it. Interesting plane. All that remains is to say thank you to the hunchback and EBN that such a complex was let down the drain, in principle, like everything promising that was supposed to fly with us...

[igorbrsv]

And why develop a new aircraft if, as they say, the equipment for it will be tested on “geophysics” aircraft. Why not use "geophysics"

[shikin]

Other sources described that this aircraft is used to test overhead universal reconnaissance containers (UCR) for various purposes - with radar and OLS: UKR-RL, UKR-RT, UKR-OE. These containers can be used on Su-34 type aircraft. Then think for yourself.
By the way, the ceiling of the Su-34 is 17000 m, and that of the Su-35 is 20000 m.

[Zaurbek]

An airplane with an aiming container......They don’t write about AWACS here and in other places too. They write that it will be used to test the OLS for Sukhoi

[Igor K]

It’s too small for AWACS, again, for what theater of operations is it intended?
For technically developed countries, shooting from a height of 12 km above the battlefield is not a problem; for guerrilla wars, shooting guys in sandals is normal.

[Trapp1st]

but this is necessary yesterday, it was necessary

This is how it was yesterday, today it is no longer relevant, especially if the information about the appearance of the F16 in Ukraine is true

M-55 "Geophysics" is capable of rising to a height of up to 20 km. At one time it was made to intercept high-altitude reconnaissance balloons

[Bolo]

Not yesterday, but the day before yesterday! And we also need to imprison those figures who sabotaged this topic!

[faiver]

And we also need to imprison those figures who sabotaged this topic.

- the list can be continued endlessly....

[Revolver]

Quote: Bolo

And we also need to imprison those figures

On stake.

[Sergey Valov]

Are you proposing to imprison the Americans who have stopped launching probes over the USSR?

[svp67]

Quote: gryaznov.igor.

The news is, of course, very good, but it was needed yesterday.

So this complex was created the day before yesterday, back in the days of the USSR. Now we just decided to “blow the dust off” this project and bring it into a modern look.

[Old Operator]

As sad as it may be, this “news” is already 35 years old. Attempts to integrate reconnaissance and destruction means began in the late 80s.

[TANKISTONE]

gryaznov.igor. At least there's movement, it's good

Yeah, they sharpen the saws...

[ugol2]

Question No. 1 - "When?"
Question No. 2 - “reconnaissance and strike”, which means there will be weapons. Which?

[Roma 1977]

The concept of “reconnaissance-strike complex” does not mean a carrier capable of delivering strikes, but a reconnaissance vehicle capable of working in real time at a considerable distance with the strike component of missile and artillery forces. Roughly speaking, work as a “firefly”, as in an online computer game about tanks.

[Leshak]

The possibility of their operation at high altitudes is being studied on the M-55 Geophysics high-altitude aircraft.

I wonder how many of them are left in working order. There were only a few of them anyway.

[Gomunkul]

I wonder how many of them are left in working order.

Open sources write that a total of 5 pieces were produced. But I couldn’t find any information on how many of them were left.
The first flight was carried out in 1988.

[NOMADE]

If there are 25 minutes left, then, in principle, you can use it for these purposes. His ceiling allows it. The only thing is that he cannot stay in the air for long.

[akropin]

Yes, this plane is also not very long-lasting:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/М-55_(самолёт)
Flight duration on the ceiling: 2 hours 14 minutes
Flight duration at 17000 m: 6,5 hours
Patrol time: 48 minutes

[faiver]

flying adyn, they write two more in storage - this could mean anything

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I wonder how many of them are left in working order. There were only a few of them anyway.

Only one flies.
https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Myasishchev/M-55

In 1994, five serial M-55s were laid down at SmAZ, but soon Soviet inertia ended and assembly was stopped.
The two cars were 90% assembled.
Most likely, they will be brought to fruition, passing them off as an unprecedented achievement of the modern aviation industry.

[Consultant]

If 2 more are added to the existing 3(?), then they will not be superfluous. Maybe there are some modernized engines for them that are a little more economical?

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

The appearance of a high-altitude Russian aircraft hovering in the stratosphere could be fatal for the military Internet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without which up to 80% of Ukrainian drones will not be able to fly. Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only one military Internet and that is Starlink.

[vargo]

But the question is, why did 20km suddenly become safe? Isn't air defense capable of hitting such heights? As far as I know, they are quite capable. What will change? I really don't understand.

[Igor Borisov_2]

We don't know all the details. Stratosphere from 11 km to 50 km, lower layer of the stratosphere from 11 to 25 km. Perhaps he will fly above 25 km...

[vargo]

Well, that's what I'm asking. And judging by the general joy, everyone seems to know something, although the altitudes at which the air defense shoots down are quite high and I don’t know what something new can be invented for this complex. It’s as if he looked out from the last century. And I still don’t understand why they came back to them again

[Roma 1977]

There is a nuance: the higher the flight altitude, the larger the scanned horizon. That is, a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft will not need to fly over the LBS, but, say, 50 km from it over its own territory, but at the same time see 100 km deep into enemy territory. Theoretically, it could be obtained by some modification of the Patriot, but then the missile would need to be launched as close as possible to the LBS, and there the risk of losing such an expensive and customized air defense system increases sharply.

[parabyd]

At a minimum, short-range complexes, or even medium ones, will not reach you. And there are fewer and fewer long-range complexes.

Well, the question here is how far he can look, being at an altitude of 20 km. Otherwise, maybe long-range air defense won’t be enough.

[Nike]

Until the 14th year, the flight path of passenger aircraft passed over us at a flight level of 10-12 t.m. so they disappeared over the horizon at a distance of 95-100 km

[solar]

At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, the radio horizon is about 420 km.

[Consultant]

Quote from solar

At an altitude of 10 thousand meters, the radio horizon is about 420 km.

In fact, from 10 km to an object 1 meter high, the visible horizon is only 380-385 km. (At least that’s what the Calculator planetcalc.ru/1198/ shows).

Well, the question here is how far he can look, being at an altitude of 20 km. Otherwise, maybe long-range air defense won’t be enough.

He may be able to look in, if the radar allows it. But, Geophysics with a carrying capacity of 1-1,5 tons, most likely you can only catch large fish, not far from the contact line. Especially considering the standard flight time is 2,25-6,5 hours, and the ceiling time is 35 minutes, and the radar power consumption (probably quite large?).

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from: parabyd

Well, the question here is how far he can look, being at an altitude of 20 km. Otherwise, maybe long-range air defense won’t be enough.

About 20 years ago, an American reconnaissance drone scanned a strip of the earth's surface with a side-scan radar at a range of 300 km.
Now, I think, further.

[Sarboz]

Quote from: parabyd

Well, the question here is how far he can look, being at an altitude of 20 km. Otherwise, maybe long-range air defense won’t be enough.

The visible horizon at an altitude of 20000 meters will be 535 km. And everything else depends on optical and radio reconnaissance equipment.

[Sergey Valov]

Weather conditions should not be discounted. Optics in the dense layers of the atmosphere at 500 km will not see anything, except perhaps the contours of the continent, and then in the absence of clouds. Radio equipment can do something in passive mode, but in active mode it’s a very big question. Moreover, the adversary is not an idiot, and he can cause interference and, if necessary, fill up the space with false targets. Space is much more effective in this regard.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

The fact is that this aircraft will carry the Sych missile defense missile system with all the ensuing consequences for the military Internet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in addition, the Sych missile defense missile system scans the sources of radio communications, which will make it possible to detect the coordinates of the headquarters and the location of enemy personnel.

[Camrad]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

Today the Armed Forces of Ukraine have only one military Internet and that is Starlink.

No, not one, and not Starlink at all.

[barkonaut]

For some reason they never talk about TAXAT. And the Americans installed its terminals in Ukraine a long time ago. With prepaid traffic.

[Roma 1977]

Hallelujah! Less than 40 years have passed since the USSR began to develop the concept. How long should we wait now before this equipment is put into operation, if it was needed yesterday? This is the very long eye that will solve the problems of Russian artillery, and not at all increasing the range of barrel artillery, which for some reason many experts insist on, forgetting about the pitfalls associated with this increase in range.

[isv000]

The Russian Armed Forces will receive a stratospheric reconnaissance and strike complex for transmitting target coordinates in real time

If this SVO did not exist, it would have to be invented! How many have been modernized, sharpened, built and launched! The fifth column has been fucked, the army has been rebuilt, the circle of friends has been determined and the masks have been taken off the faces of the “partners”!..

[AUL]

All this was necessary and possible to accomplish without the death and injury of our guys - someone’s sons and fathers!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: isv000

reset masks from the faces of “partners”!..

Well said .. .

[vargo]

Apparently this is an air defense effect, when such complexes could operate in conditions of limited air defense operation. But it’s still not clear why such complexes are not covered by the capabilities of satellites? Is the development and maintenance of such a complex better than the development of a satellite constellation?

[Huarabey]

So the satellite constellation is also developing. It does not interfere.

[vargo]

Well, I just don't understand. There was a technological period for such complexes. Then their niche exhausted itself. Satellites took over the high reconnaissance role. Modern air defense systems began to actively shoot down their zone. For a primitive enemy, conventional aviation is enough. So it turns out that we seem to be creating again something that has been outdated for a long time. I don’t understand what suddenly changed?

[spirit]

But it’s still not clear why such complexes are not covered by the capabilities of satellites?

They have their own niche. It’s not in vain that the Americans are modernizing their U-2, although they have many times more satellites than anyone else. Now open the articles on VO on this modernization of the U2 and read how the local “generals” poured tons of slop on it saying that This is all the last century and our air defense will crack them like nuts. I wonder what they will say about this development now?

[Amateur]

It’s not in vain that the Americans are modernizing their U-2

What U-2 is this? Like the fact that the Soviet air defense shot down on May 1, 1960 and after which it never flew over the USSR. Or the one that was shot down on October 24, 1962 over Cuba?

[spirit]

What U-2 is this? Like the fact that Soviet air defense shot down on May 1, 1960

This is exactly the analogue of which we will make (naturally in a modern version) and I will remind you that the f22 ceiling is similar to our Mig31, and yet we decided to make it, just as the Americans are not abandoning the U2 and, moreover, are developing a new high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft

[Amateur]

exactly its analogue we and we will do

And who is “you”?

[parabyd]

Most likely it is:
1. Cheaper
2. More convenient compared to a small satellite constellation - satellites pass over the desired territory several times a day. The plane can circle over it for hours or move along a more current trajectory

[alexoff]

The satellite on the first space mission flies over the horizon and the next time it will not appear over the same place soon. The Americans are in no hurry to write off their reconnaissance aircraft

[ZovSailor]

I have to say,
there has long been a need to provide
high-quality communication along with the issuance of coordinates of the RF Armed Forces
in the NWO zone, but in dangerous conditions
air defense and missile defense systems with Poseidon-RLK Yankees complex
and reconnaissance UAVs, is protection provided for RUKs from
surprises?

[rocket757]

It is clear that the backlog of Soviet engineers will be in demand for a long time... a lot was invented and developed, but alas, not all of them turned out to be in demand then.

[faiver]

The possibility of their operation at high altitudes is being studied on the M-55 Geophysics high-altitude aircraft.

- ours pulled out another artifact of a highly developed civilization from the bins...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: faiver

highly developed civilization...

Yes, it turns out that in the 70s and 80s there was a highly developed civilization in the USSR. I recently looked at old photographs and saw how nice, bright faces our people had. Everyone was reading, chasing some new book, a new good film, an art exhibition like Ilya Glazunov's type, which drew huge queues for tickets. How, how could they destroy it all? How to deceive millions of not stupid people?

[Irokez]

Quote: 30 vis

How to deceive millions of not stupid people?

Just like our neighbors, but they have ward No. 6 to the fullest. But the whole world is also fooled and chattered by exceptional nations and this is a fact.

[Revolver]

Quote: 30 vis

How, how could they destroy it all?

Breaking is not building, no special skills are needed.

[Aleks354]

Do we have SVO forever? The text is too short

[wladimirjankov]

If this aircraft will be used as an AWACS or naval reconnaissance aircraft, then this makes sense. If it is used over enemy territory that has unsuppressed air defense, as in Ukraine, then its flight period will be very short.

[faiver]

The possibility of their operation at high altitudes is being studied on the M-55 Geophysics high-altitude aircraft.

[alexoff]

Altair with a side AFAR was also supposed to fly 12 km. But where is he? If you look at how much has been announced, including after the start, and what has been done, then such news only raises questions

[faiver]

But where is he?

- somewhere in 70% of the latest weapons of the Russian Army

[Nostradamus]

Lockheed U-2
Model U-2A U-2R TR-1 U-2S
First flight (year) 1955 1967 1981 1994
Flight range (km) 3500 5600 6400 9600
Practical ceiling (m) 21 300 21 300 21 300 21 300
Dynamic ceiling (m) ? 26? ?
Flight duration (hours) 6,5 7,5 12 >10
without PTB
News news. The question is, when, how much?
A-50 units. SU-57 up to 15 (including prototypes). Civilian Superjets, IL, TU units have been produced.
For reference: The experimental aircraft manufacturing base, the basis of which after the war was formed by teams led by A. N. Tupolev, Yakovlev, Ilyushin, Beriev, Lavochkin, Mikoyan, Sukhoi, Klimov, Shvetsov, V. A. Dobrynin, Mikulin, continuously developed in the subsequent period . It was replenished with new design bureaus, headed by O. K. Antonov, M. L. Mil, N. I. Kamov, V. M. Myasishchev, G. E. Lozino-Lozinsky, A. G. Ivchenko, N. D. Kuznetsov , A. M. Lyulka. Factories
Kuibyshev Aviation Plant No. 18 (Samara)
Voronezh Aviation Plant No. 64
Motor plant, later NPC gas turbine construction Salyut (Moscow)
Moscow Aviation Plant No. 39 (Moscow)
Kazan Aviation Plant No. 22, later KAPO named after. Gorbunova (Kazan)
Novosibirsk Aviation Plant (Novosibirsk)
Irkutsk Aviation Plant
Tbilisi Aircraft Plant
Moscow Helicopter Plant (named after M. L. Mil)
OKB "Kamov" (formerly Ukhtomsky Helicopter Plant, Lyubertsy), since 1948
Industrial associations
Kiev Aviation Plant / Kiev Aviation Production Association KiAPO (Kyiv)
Tashkent Aviation Production Association (TAPOiCh) (Tashkent, since 1941)
Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association named after. Yu. A. Gagarin.
Hundreds of aircraft were produced per year.

[VB]

It hurts to read! But we have an eternal president! They correctly said that Putin is not a surname, but a profession. My youngest daughter was born in 2001. She will probably grow old with him! It’s good that the eldest was born in ’86. And now the states are going to transfer Russian assets to Bandera’s supporters. Have Nabiulina, Silanov and company already been arrested? Are the lanterns already preparing to receive them? No? This means that the president initiated this.

[Escariot]

Quote: VB

It hurts to read! But we have an eternal president! They correctly said that Putin is not a surname, but a profession. My youngest daughter was born in 2001. She will probably grow old with him! It’s good that the eldest was born in ’86. And now the states are going to transfer Russian assets to Bandera’s supporters. Have Nabiulina, Silanov and company already been arrested? Are the lanterns already preparing to receive them? No? This means that the president initiated this.

And what do Nabiulina and Siluanov have to do with it? They only did what the law allowed them to do. Well, the fact that the deputies on the eve of the SVO did not bother with people’s money is rather a question for their voters, who elected them

[uav80]

M-55 Geophysics is testing a new UCR “universal reconnaissance container”...

[vitosia]

News))) though from the 80s))) it seems that it was retrained then))) into a stratospheric reconnaissance-strike complex

[VB]

And when will it be? It was necessary yesterday. Have they started making balloons? Or is the need for them inaccessible to Shoigu, due to his education in military affairs, he graduated from schools, academies, in his mind?

[Eugene 62]

Quote: isv000

The fifth column has been fucked

[i] [/ i]
Regarding the fifth column, this is a gross exaggeration. Naibullina and Siluanov sat in their chairs and are still sitting. No one has fucked them and, apparently, no one is going to fuck them.

[Bear]

Or maybe Altius was almost finished? And at the same time, at “Geophysics” they are working on UKRs, so as not to waste time for mass production?

[Oleg Apushkin]

Project back to the past. I’m not happy, we can copy the analogue of the RQ-4 Global Hawk from 20 years ago, if not, then we need to change the responsible people in the industry.

[bone1]

And what can he see from such and such a height? - Yes, and they will shoot him down in one fell swoop

[Mr. PeZhe]

Shaw, again? (with)
Where is the long-developed Altius-RU? No? And the reincarnation of M17, therefore, will happen right away?
Does anyone else believe the budget development specialists from the UAC?

[Sasha Beznosikov]

Why not use the old MiG-25 or the modern MiG-31? They rise 20 km higher, right into the stratosphere.

[Aviator_]

Why not use the old MiG-25 or the modern MiG-31? They rise 20 km higher, right into the stratosphere.

The flight duration is relatively short, which is why an analogue of the Lockheed U-2 is needed.

[solar]

M-55 "Geophysics" is also a Soviet aircraft. Only 5 pieces were produced; in fact, after thirty to forty years, only one remained. The D30V12 engine for it, as far as one can understand, is also not produced.
It needs to be made practically from scratch, the aircraft is very specific, it still takes a good 15-20 years. The M-55 was actually made from the 60s almost until the end of the 80s, first the single-engine M-17 and then, based on it, the twin-engine M-17RM (M-55).

[bbss]

Yes, what's the point?! An altitude of 20 km is, in principle, achievable by older modifications of the S-300. He will have to look into enemy territory from deep behind...

[Camrad]

So this is the trick, so as not to fly over the forehead and, due to the height, carry out radio reconnaissance to a depth of 150 kilometers and photographic reconnaissance to a depth of 20 kilometers.

[pathnuty]

The news is good, no doubt, but... This is another artifact of the Space Civilization (USSR), finished as part of the work under the slogan (also “liquefied”) - “Everything for the SVO...”, which our “effective” ones will pass off as new. The main thing is not to stick the tired stamp “there are no analogues”!

[Consultant]

Note that the M-55 “Geophysics” is capable of rising to a height of up to 20 km. At one time it was made to intercept high-altitude reconnaissance balloons that were in service with the US Armed Forces

Does anyone remember at what altitude those balloons flew?

[Luenkov]

Quote from: Peter1First

So is this just a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, or a stratospheric AWACS?

This is the project. Think as you please.

[Hariton]

development of a stratospheric reconnaissance-strike complex began

We exhale, if the VKS receives a small series, then in 5 years the M-55 will be a single copy and a single-seat one.

[arnulla]

Well, again you can’t do without “galoshes”

[Zaurbek]

If you do it from Zero, then the M55 (concept) needs to be completely redone. For a composite body, avionics “brains”, turbojet control, etc.

[lelik613]

How is the M-55 better than the Su-35 as a reconnaissance aircraft?

[Cook]

To be honest, if the M-55 is taken as the basis for the reconnaissance aircraft, then the concept of its use is unclear. Many experts do not take into account that an aircraft of a similar design takes a fairly long time to gain 20 kilometers of altitude, and the problem is descending from the operating level to land. Can take up to several hours, with MG engine and spoiler extended.

[INSIGNIS_2]

A good spoon for dinner, this also applies to UAVs

[Romanenko]

This kind of thing raises a lot of questions, we don’t have that many “Geophysicists”, according to Wikipedia, only 5 of them were produced, one of them is a training twin.
The age, even for an airplane, is already quite old, first flights in 1988, soon 40.
We probably need to make new cars, but the engines from the Tu 134 are no longer available...
The car will have to be urgently redesigned and a body kit selected, and at our pace of innovation this will take quite a long time.
Will it work out quickly?
Or will the first reconnaissance aircraft be made using cannibalistic methods, by dismantling the old one and screwing it to the “new” one?
It looks like this car has a real chance of not making it to the SVO.
Just like our paper tiger CHESS Su-75, an advertising plane, no longer expected in the “WOW-WOW” mode.
I’m not writing all this out of an attempt to turn another joint inside out; I’m offended for the state.

[Wbond]

At one time, it was made to intercept high-altitude reconnaissance balloons that were in service with the US Armed Forces and were used to photograph strategic objects on the territory of the Soviet Union.

....wouldn't it be easier to use balloons?

[Maize]

Exactly.
Why bother if you can raise a weather balloon for 2 kopecks (as is fashionable now - unmanned!), and that’s it!

[acetophenone]

By this time, the problem of reconnaissance balloons had already lost its relevance

Why then were the Americans so excited about the Chinese weather balloon?

[Ivan Mak_2]

Flight duration at 17000 m: 6,5 hours

4 such aircraft will be able to, alternately replacing each other, provide round-the-clock duty. What the army has been missing since the beginning of the Northern Military District.

[Maize]

Where can I get these four planes if they don’t exist and never will?

[Aviator_]

This is about the Soviet "Galosh", which was created by Myasishchev Design Bureau at the very end of the existence of the USSR. Essentially an American Lockheed U-2, but of a new generation. Less than 35 years later, the M-55 (Geophysics) turned out to be in demand.

[AC130 Gunship]

The M55 cannot be allowed there - it is too easy a target even for outdated air defense systems. This aircraft should operate exclusively in the rear, 50-100 km from the front line. And it is not clear what he will even see from there in the distance, having only one pilot in the cockpit. In addition, it seems that only 2 of them were made and they have not flown for the last many years. It is unclear when it will be able to take off and how often it will fly then.

[KYYC]

In twenty years they haven’t created new ones???
The poor

[anclevalico]

If development has begun, this does not mean at all that the RF Armed Forces will receive something, unfortunately.

[barkonaut]

This is the first time I have seen such a device. Looks small. Look, there are no operators provided there. Or how?

[Ivan Mak_2]

One pilot is provided in the cockpit. Do operators have to be on board?

[rempro]

Myasishchev’s machine still flies!

[T.A.V.]

In our kingdom, will there be news for anyone with the wording - PUT into service and actively used?
They will just deliver, develop, etc.

[Horn]

“Maybe they will get it”... How about “Chubais’ flexible tablet”? What about the Sukhoi Superjet? And with a hundred more promises? And I’m embarrassed to ask, will China supply the element base? Or, as with Moskvich, will we re-glue the nameplates?
When it happens, then boast!

[Ivan Mak_2]

Quote: Corn grower

Where can I get these four planes if they don’t exist and never will?

In fact, 5 units were produced.

[Yuriy_10]

In the USA, such a complex flew under Khrushchev