To be or not to be Russian cyber troops

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To be or not to be Russian cyber troops


Knights of code


Once again we remembered the cyber troops in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in connection with the statement of the head of the Ministry of Digital Development, Maksud Shadayev. He said it would be a good idea to organize information operations troops as an option for contract service. A bold and rather controversial statement from such a high-ranking official. Shadayev can be understood - from the beginning of the special operation, the programmers went into voluntary emigration in an organized manner. And this is not at all in favor of the Ministry of Digital Development.



At least 100 thousand programmers left last year, and the outflow has not stopped this year. The lion's share continues to work in Russian companies, only now remotely. To mitigate the situation, the government has issued a deferment for IT specialists from the army for up to 30 years. True, for this you will have to work in the appropriate accredited companies - various freelancers do not qualify for the benefit.

The head of the Ministry of Digital Development intends to further simplify the life of IT specialists by proposing the creation of cyber troops. The new branch of the military is expected to recruit general IT specialists under contract.

On the one hand, the idea is sound and timely. The Americans have their own cyber command, USCYBERCOM, so why don’t we create an appropriate structure?

The rest of the world has also begun to stir - there are prototypes or existing structures in South and North Korea, Great Britain and China. If you dig deep, every self-respecting power has at least a military cybersecurity department.

It would seem that Russia lags behind not only the United States, but also the whole world, since the issue of cyber troops is only now being raised. This is not so - in one form or another, the army has had units engaged in information warfare for ten years. For example, the Special Development Center of the Ministry of Defense. According to available open information, Cyber ​​Defense Centers have been established in each military district, and they have been operating normally since 2020.

The declared goal of the structure is to ensure the protection of the army’s critical infrastructure from computer attacks. In modern conditions, this must obviously be supplemented by the preventive destruction of enemy targets and a full-fledged information war.

But now the question of creating a special type of troops related to cybersecurity has suddenly been raised. One explanation may be the full-scale introduction of artificial intelligence into the combat systems of the Russian Army. At the beginning of October, in the Era technopolis, under the leadership of the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov, issues of further robotization of military equipment were discussed. At the same time it was said that the arms program for 2025–2034. A section on artificial intelligence will appear. Time does not wait, and specialists of the relevant profile were needed in the army yesterday.

Search for expediency


Maksud Shadayev is not the first civilian official to point out the need to create cyber troops in Russia. Last year, Vasily Shpak, Denis Manturov’s deputy, spoke about this. He approached the issue on a larger scale - it was proposed to recruit even conscript soldiers into the cyber forces. Like the scientific companies in the Era technopolis mentioned above.

By the way, you haven’t heard anything about the office’s scientific developments. In the second year of the special operation, the multibillion-dollar scientific center should have simply overwhelmed the front with innovative solutions.

But in the open space there is peace and quiet. Some prototypes of technopolis developments are presented at Army 2023, but nothing unique is visible in them. Era’s modest portfolio includes the classic Sarych reconnaissance drone, a system for training to defeat UAVs from small arms weapons and a manual autonomous complex “Tissue Gun” for medical services. Of course, nothing is known about his appearance at the front.

Will something similar happen with the cyber troops that Russian ministries are talking about? The military will have artificial intelligence, but it won’t be there.


First, it’s worth understanding what is meant by the fashionable term cybernetic or information troops.

It seems that a clear definition still does not exist, or is not yet publicized.

Is it possible to consider the operator drone a fighter on the cybernetic front? Or a programmer hacking SBU servers?

If we turn to the monograph “Network-centric warfare - principles, technologies, examples and prospects”, then the vast field of information technology weapons includes remote network attacks, writing computer viruses, creating software and hardware bookmarks, false objects of the information space and much more.

Cyber ​​units must become a system integrator of a huge variety of military structures - computer, space and technical intelligence, from the tactical tier to the strategic level. It would be nice to teach programmers and other cyber specialists how to manage the behavior of social groups and carry out large-scale psychological operations in the enemy’s camp.

In general, the scope of work for cyber fighters is too extensive. The nuance is that the Russian Army has long had separate structures that cope well with everything described above. And not only in the army, but also in the FSB, SVR, Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard.

Among lobbyists for cyber forces, there is an opinion that the creation of a single command center for all security forces will allow the latter to focus on performing their main tasks. In particular, the authors of the creation of the American cyber command USCYBERCOM, which for some time was under the leadership of intelligence officers from the NSA, had a similar motivation. But it was smooth on paper.

Currently, these two structures essentially duplicate each other. And not only them. The United States intelligence community has more than enough offices dedicated to information warfare and cyber weapons. For example, the Department of Homeland Security is directly involved in cybersecurity. So does the Defense Intelligence Agency. USCYBERCOM is just a competing structure built on the “divide and conquer” principle.

At the beginning of 2023, the US Cyber ​​Command abandoned external intelligence data - now its own intelligence center is engaged in this. It is once again emphasized that the structure does not have any uniqueness or expediency. This is just another Pentagon tool in the information war. Unlimited budgets allow Americans to do a lot.


It seems that the reasons for creating domestic cyber troops are approximately the same - an alternative structure is needed that works both jointly and separately from the IT structures of law enforcement agencies. Of course, this should improve the quality and competitiveness of work results.

But there are doubts about the format of the new type of troops.

It is probably wrong to give programmers who write codes to hack enemy servers the benefits and privileges of military personnel of the Russian Army. The fighters behind the monitor screen cannot a priori be compared with attack aircraft, tank crews, pilots and reconnaissance officers. Programmers are the last ones to risk their lives and health.

At the same time, the merits of our hackers in the country, the world and on the information fronts of special operations are not diminished in any way. The ideal cyber force is a complex structure, the lion's share of whose tasks are performed by outsourced civilian specialists. There are many structures in the country that are ready to work for hire for the Ministry of Defense and other intelligence services.

Whatever one may say, the most effective management is in such offices, which are already accustomed to the market and have highly professional staff. If you now create cyber troops from scratch, it will take more than one year (if not a decade) before specialists of the required level are trained. It becomes funny when it is proposed to bring conscript soldiers into such structures. What can you learn in a year of service as a “combat programmer”? The question is rhetorical.

It turns out to be a paradox.

On the one hand, Russia needs cyber troops, and the more, the better.

On the other hand, army structures will cease to be army when they are entrusted with purely cybersecurity issues.

In all other cases, we will only get a dummy with a fashionable and resonant name.
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  1. +3
    9 November 2023 04: 59
    An interesting article and interesting thoughts, but it seems to me that without raising the country’s high-tech production, all this could turn out to be a computer club for the counter under the guise of the Ministry of Defense. And so it seems to me that what is needed is not a separate type of military, but rather a cyber special forces that will engage in remote theft of information , and striking critical strategic targets in various software.
    1. +2
      9 November 2023 07: 29
      Quote from turembo
      It seems to me that without raising the country's high-tech production, all this may turn out to be a computer club for counter


      It’s more a question of proper organization because In North Korea, technology is clearly tense, but at the same time, the programmers are smart (if you believe the rumors): theft of digital currency, espionage, etc. It is unlikely that they are chilling at their jobs.

      But will they be able to put smart people in the Ministry of Defense? In this direction, this is of course a question.... they need leadership with brains who will understand all the problems and specifics of this activity. In general, our military needs such a unit/type of troops.... because... threats change, tools for causing damage to the state also change, and we need such activities to be under the control of the military (to protect and cause damage to the enemy). Ideally, Russian technology corporations would cooperate with the Moscow Region and create their own AI for these purposes...the future belongs to such technologies, and if you do not react in time (as with UAVs, for example), the consequences will not keep you waiting.
      1. +4
        9 November 2023 08: 20
        It is unlikely that units without barracks, warehouses, formations on the parade ground, training facilities, etc. will be recognized as troops.
  2. +2
    9 November 2023 05: 26
    Well, if the “cyber service” in the RF Ministry of Defense is carried out with the same efficiency as the press service, then what the hell.
  3. +5
    9 November 2023 05: 37
    Several centuries ago there were individual master gunners. Then artillery appeared. If specialists in uniform receive an order to hack enemy software on trophies, disable transport, financial and energy facilities, then they will move from the category of criminals to combatants. In conjunction with reconnaissance, these people can be more effective than bombing.

    Just don’t need cyber conscripts! This will again be a flash mob about children near monitors.
  4. 0
    9 November 2023 05: 43
    It would seem that Russia lags behind not only the United States, but also the whole world, since the issue of cyber troops is only now being raised. This is wrong -

    I readily believe... because I was convinced many times that my operating system was under the full hood of third-party specialists who easily revealed all my passwords. smile
    All antiviruses, browsers, social networks, torrents, downloaders, gadgets and other similar gadgets all have back doors through which they easily penetrate the desktop of the computer owner. It is naive to think that information on a computer is reliably protected by various keys... everything is revealed. request
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 23: 43
      Well, actually not all of them. Github to the rescue. Download the sources, analyze and assemble them yourself.
  5. +3
    9 November 2023 06: 04
    Before creating, and I think expanding, such structures, which most likely we already have, but not under the auspices of the Army, the top commanders need to understand what exactly the programmers will do and in what volumes.
    Then it will become clear what profile and background specialists are needed.
    We can involve those who are already in our prisons for cybercrimes, for example, stealing money as part of international groups. As an option.
    You can break the automated control systems of enemy energy facilities, but these are different specialists.
    So the most important thing is to understand what to do on the shore, and there will be specialists!
  6. +2
    9 November 2023 06: 30
    Will we import all the hardware for the new troops entirely from abroad? Even the operators’ chairs are Chinese. Of all the equipment, the uniforms will be domestic. wassat winked
    1. +2
      9 November 2023 08: 55
      Will we import all the hardware for the new troops entirely from abroad? Even the operators’ chairs are Chinese. Of all the equipment, the uniforms will be domestic. wassat winked

      Is not a fact. The fabric is Chinese, the threads are Thai, the buttons and Velcro are Chinese.
  7. +1
    9 November 2023 07: 41
    It would be nice to organize information operations troops as one of the options for contract service

    Maybe first let’s remember the previous idea of ​​our “brilliant” officials - the creation of scientific companies. We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
  8. 0
    9 November 2023 07: 43
    In all other cases, we will only get a dummy with a fashionable and resonant name.

    Most likely this will happen...
  9. +2
    9 November 2023 08: 21
    Maximum abstractionism and not a single byte of new information.
  10. +3
    9 November 2023 08: 29
    If there are cyber troops, there must be an ensign, without him, well, no way smile
  11. 0
    9 November 2023 08: 33
    All power to the Soviets!

    Let me start with the fact that in this area we can already:
    - protection of nuclear power plants;
    - protection of the Central Election Commission;
    - protection of the Central Bank;
    - protection of the Ministry of Defense, FSB, SVR;
    - and much more...

    So the statement that we will only start everything from scratch tomorrow is not true, it is a lie!

    The existing units may be called differently, but we have them and the West, including the USA, is powerless against them! Glory to our specialists!!!
    1. +1
      9 November 2023 08: 59
      Let me start with the fact that in this area we can already:
      - protection of nuclear power plants;
      - protection of the Central Election Commission;
      - protection of the Central Bank;
      - protection of the Ministry of Defense, FSB, SVR;
      - and much more...

      So the statement that we will only start everything from scratch tomorrow is not true, it is a lie!

      The existing units may be called differently, but we have them and the West, including the USA, is powerless against them! Glory to our specialists!!!

      Nuclear power plant protection. Do you understand how this is implemented? NPP mode interlocks are implemented in separate cabinets, essentially with LSIs, in which hard logic is implemented.
      What do cyber troops have to do with it?
      Perhaps you think that cyber troops land/shoot down drones?.. it’s electronic warfare or air defense.
      So what do you think the Russian cyber troops are doing at nuclear power plants?
      1. 0
        9 November 2023 09: 27
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: Sergey_Bely
        Perhaps you think that cyber troops are landing/shooting down drones?

        You have too narrow a view of protecting the interests of the state in this war. This includes the creation of “unkillable” systems, electronic warfare, and the fight against drones...

        Wherever there is software code, there is something for hypertroops to do.

        ps
        Anecdote: The Americans tried to open Putin’s mail for a very long time, when they suddenly learned that a batch of new typewriters had been delivered to the Kremlin.
  12. +2
    9 November 2023 08: 35
    It’s the “hacker” specialists who are a piece of goods; troops simply cannot be created, there aren’t that many of them.. and if IT specialists are contract workers.. and those who came up with it looked - their salaries are in civilian life, with normal specialists? they easily get from 200-300k a month - we have staff - the general gets that much, but they from.. and if a private sergeant (with up to 50 tr in peacetime) is invited to a regular grid - only idiots will come to such troops, incapable of anything .. a rotten idea .. to create a special military unit - I understand both the meaning and the benefit, and about the troops, they turned something pathetic... although if the idea is in the picture - “smart” faces behind the monitors... laughing
    1. -7
      9 November 2023 08: 48
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      and those who came up with it looked - their salaries in civilian life

      Yes, my friend, you will sell your own mother for cut up green candy wrappers... laughing

      Those “specialists” who sold themselves to the West (USA) for candy wrappers are not able to compete with those specialists who remained to defend their homeland. This is a fact (read the post above)!

      ps
      No economy in the world can compete with the printing press.
      1. +3
        9 November 2023 09: 13
        Quote: Boris55
        Yes, my friend, you will sell your own mother for cut up green candy wrappers...

        did I say something about dollars? or do you think everyone should give up their high-paying salaries and become contract workers for 50 rubles - because? pretentious.. but divorced from reality, a little more than completely..
        Quote: Boris55
        Those “specialists” who sold themselves to the West (USA) for candy wrappers are not able to compete with those specialists who remained to defend their homeland. This is a fact (read the post above)!

        Why the fright is this a fact - whose majority of programs in the world (and this is just a fact)? or does +150 to programming appear when working for the RF Ministry of Defense? laughing
        1. -3
          9 November 2023 09: 49
          “Think about your Motherland first, and then about yourself”

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          did I say something about dollars?

          Doesn't matter.
          Not everything in the World is measured by money, and whoever does this is most often a scoundrel and a scoundrel.
      2. +5
        9 November 2023 09: 14
        Yes, my friend, you will sell your own mother for cut up green candy wrappers... laughing

        Those “specialists” who sold themselves to the West (USA) for candy wrappers are not able to compete with those specialists who remained to defend their homeland. This is a fact (read the post above)!

        ps
        No economy in the world can compete with the printing press.


        You are accusing a person of wanting his family not to worry about their quality of life! You want a person, instead of defending his Fatherland, to think about where to earn money for his child’s education.

        I can offer a working option. The state takes on 100% of the basic life support of the military. A person must understand that if he joins the cyber forces, his family will be provided with everything: housing, quality food, quality education, the best medical care. If he serves 20 years, he will receive ownership of the apartment.
        And then specialists will rush to do this work.
        Otherwise, there are no fools.
        1. -4
          9 November 2023 09: 43
          “Think about your Motherland first, and then about yourself”

          Quote: Sergey_Bely
          You are accusing a person of wanting his family not to worry about their quality of life!

          You place your “I” above our “WE”. You are not our person. The fable about how a father, using the example of brushwood, taught his sons that alone they are nothing, but together they are strong, you know?
          1. +1
            9 November 2023 10: 56
            You place your “I” above our “WE”. You are not our person. The fable about how a father, using the example of brushwood, taught his sons that alone they are nothing, but together they are strong, you know?

            I place the human “I” above your “We”.
            Otherwise, it will turn out that everyone who hid Lenin, the loyal Bolsheviks, will be repressed and their children will be shot. We passed - we know.
    2. 0
      9 November 2023 09: 18
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      precisely the specialists “hackers” are piece goods

      Horses and people mixed together,

      Such a branch of the economy as information security has long been formed. It has its own economic, scientific and technical foundation. And we shouldn’t destroy it for the sake of fashion trends that the USA imposes on us. We've had enough of Star Wars already. And hackers, or more precisely white hat hackers or testers, have long been an integral part of the information security industry.
      If the author understands cyber troops as the tasks of disrupting the enemy’s information infrastructure, then this is successfully done in the electronic warfare troops. For this purpose, an appropriate combat manual and structure have been developed that is integrated into all types and branches of the military.
  13. +3
    9 November 2023 09: 34
    One telegram channel, with the help of simple manipulations, easily created a video with Zaluzhny where he proposes to start a coup. Ukrainian channels posted the fake for several hours and only then realized that it was complete nonsense. This type of troops is definitely needed, but competent leadership of this unit is also needed, and not a blunder.
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 11: 05
      For example, just look at how much trouble the activities of the TsIPSO bring us, and if similar troops are created in our country, and even their capabilities are increased, it can be a completely effective force, skillfully and effectively influencing the minds and moods of the population of states hostile to us.
      1. +1
        9 November 2023 11: 18
        Ahh. So this is what cyber troops they are talking about...
        Then everything is clear.
        And I was thinking about derailing trains, disrupting the technical processes of large chemical, oil refining and machine-building enterprises remotely and leading to man-made accidents, etc.
        And there are so many of these scribblers...
        But if we take something a little more complicated than fake news, then such specialists need to be trained. Universities need to be created for them. Create technology (computers, quantum computers). Etc. and so on. Is our government ready to create, develop, support and improve something serious?!
        1. 0
          9 November 2023 14: 28
          A year ago, when I was working in logistics for a large company, I encountered for the first time a situation where, with the help of certain computer software, the entire network was temporarily “put down.” In simple terms, it was impossible to send the goods to stores, since now they are abandoning paper documents and everything is in electronic form. Almost 300 trucks in line, quite a lot of costs and time to restore the system. A group of people with knowledge of programming, creating viruses or various malware can do a lot of bad things for the enemy. We have plenty of talent; the Ministry of Defense just needs to take it under its wing and organize it properly.
  14. -1
    9 November 2023 13: 24
    To be or not to be Russian cyber troops
    If this is an idea about how to accommodate programmers fleeing the country, then this is a bad idea.
    A person fleeing the country is clearly not a patriot, which means his presence in the army can only bring harm - he will be easily recruited and he will be like that helicopter pilot who ran away and killed his crew. These people of the world are unfit to defend the country.
    But, in general, cyber operations are actions via the Internet, to which the Defense Ministry is indirectly related (in theory, it should not be connected with it at all in order to avoid misunderstandings), but the GRU, perhaps directly (but who can tell us) . So cyber units need to be expanded specifically in the GRU to enhance both social influences (both cipso) and to influence the enemy’s economy.
  15. +2
    9 November 2023 13: 28
    IMHO, the Author specifically avoids the question that the prototype of such troops has already existed for a long time.
    Prigozhinsky and other trolls. Hackers under the wings of the FSB and the Presidential Directorate of Operations, Crypto farms of security forces, banks and clans... And, in fact, military AI developers.

    Those. the whole question is to whom to subordinate this centrally and allocate public money openly/closedly.
    IMHO, there will be contenders for power and money...
  16. +1
    9 November 2023 15: 33
    Quote: Sergey_Bely
    necessary understand to the top bosses what exactly and to what extent programmers will do.


    they have only one gyrus visible so far - and that one is from furagan
    we need “new” faces who are not associated with them
  17. +2
    9 November 2023 17: 23
    Remember recently there was a noise about scientific companies, how did it end?
    1. 0
      9 November 2023 18: 09
      They are recruiting - here is the announcement on the Moscow Region website:

      https://recrut.mil.ru/for_recruits/research_company/signup.htm
      Selection of citizens for scientific companies
      Recruitment for the scientific company is made from various universities throughout the country.

      Requirements for candidates for military service in a scientific company:

      - male citizens of the Russian Federation aged 19-27 years who have not served in the military;
      - fitness category for health reasons – not lower than B-4;
      - a penchant for scientific activity, participation in competitions, olympiads, availability of scientific publications and works;
      - the degree of motivation of candidates to undergo military service upon conscription in a scientific company;
      - availability of a state document on higher education with an overall average grade point of at least 4,5;
      - candidacies of the categories of citizens specified in paragraphs 4-5 of paragraph 5 of Article 34 No. 53-FZ “On Military Duty and Military Service” are not considered
  18. +1
    9 November 2023 21: 18
    My son studied at a special faculty, a special institute, of those same troops, when assigned, he ended up in places where people only guess about the Internet in the Far East, like 80% of his fellow students))) now he buys equipment at his own expense, his entire salary goes to it) )) in the Northern Military District in a couple of months))) Such are the smiles of fate))) although they taught very well) and they also did practice, where necessary and how necessary
  19. -1
    9 November 2023 23: 45
    Yes, there will be no sensible cyber troops. For them to be smart, there must be smart specialists there. And just read how much smart security guards get paid. Your army benefits there may not even cover half of them. That’s why there won’t be any smart programmers in the army. And another important factor is that in the IT environment there are very few people willing to work for the state or in companies that work for the state. The army and the state are a complete bureaucracy. IT people don't need it. As a person who served in the army for 10 years, and now I am an IT specialist, I can say that the army will never be of any use in this area until the army gets rid of all these shortcomings in the form of low salaries, bureaucracy, tyranny of bosses, etc. .P. And also the opportunity to travel, which the army immediately takes away with its secrecy. Which in the modern world is also more of an atavism than a real security measure.
    1. 0
      10 November 2023 10: 59
      You might think that in the West the military has no bureaucracy, no secrecy, and they travel freely.
  20. 0
    9 November 2023 23: 46
    Quote: fa2998
    Will we import all the hardware for the new troops entirely from abroad?

    How else? In the bourgeoisie, it’s mostly x86, you won’t break x86 while sitting on Elbrus. So foreign ones are subject to hacking. And for its operation Elbrus
  21. 0
    10 November 2023 17: 48
    The article raises the only question, and that is a philosophical one - on what principle should the army be reorganized - functional or instrumental. Previously, the instrument introduced greater specificity into the organization of troops. Cavalrymen have a completely different life than artillerymen.
    The division by functionality is more logical, and in some cases it coincided with the division by instrumentation - sailors and pilots performed fundamentally different tasks until recently. But even with the advent of radio communications, no one thought of creating a radio force. There is only one conclusion - the question in the title is incorrect. Here in the comments everyone talks about their own things.