“Who walks wounded under the red banner”

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“Who walks wounded under the red banner”
“Song about Shchors”, work of Palekh masters


In several previous articles we have already mentioned Ivan Kochubey and Grigory Kotovsky. Nikolai Aleksandrovich Shchors, who in the USSR was called the “Ukrainian Chapaev”, is another thoroughly forgotten hero of the Civil War.




Heroes of the Civil War on Soviet postcards of the 1960s: Nikolai Shchors, Grigory Kotovsky, Vasily Chapaev, Ivan Kochubey

Once upon a time, all schoolchildren knew the name Shchors, but now only some of the parents of modern children and teenagers can hardly remember. Today we will talk a little about this undoubtedly talented and extraordinary person.

Origin and early years


The hero of the article was born on May 25 (June 6), 1895 in the village of Snovsk - now a city in the Koryukovsky district of the Chernigov region of present-day Ukraine. His father, Alexander Nikolaevich, was a railway worker. However, some argue that he also had a plot of land and was still a fairly prosperous peasant.

19-year-old Alexander Shchors came to Snovsk from the small Belarusian town of Stolbtsy (in the modern Minsk region). Here the visitor met his future wife, Alexandra Tabelchuk, in whose parents’ house he rented a room. In this marriage she gave birth to 5 children. The future red commander was the first-born of this family.

Nikolai Shchors demonstrated good learning abilities and at the age of 6 he could already read and write. From the age of 8, he began studying with Anna Vladimirovna Gorobtsova, who, for money, prepared local children for admission to the railway parochial school. 10-year-old Nikolai Shchors entered this educational institution in 1905.

In 1906, his mother died of tuberculosis, and his father brought a new wife into the house. Nikolai’s relationship with his stepmother, Maria Konstantinovna, was very strained at first, but later he recognized and accepted her. This woman gave birth to 5 more children. Nikolai Shchors graduated from school with a diploma of commendation in 1909. He really wanted to continue his education and, despite his father’s resistance, tried to enter the Nikolaev Naval Paramedic School, but missed one point.

However, Nikolai did not give up and, together with his younger brother Konstantin, went to take exams at the Kyiv Military Paramedic School. This attempt was successful: the brothers successfully passed the entrance tests. He graduated from this school in 1914 and in June, as a junior paramedic, he was sent to the motor artillery division of the Third Army Corps, which was stationed near Vilna.

Service in the Imperial Army


As we remember, on August 1, 1914, Russia entered the First World War. Shchors, with the rights of a volunteer (which made it possible to pass the exam for the rank of ensign), ended up on the North-Western Front. In December of the same year, he was wounded, but chose to remain in his unit. In January 1916, Nikolai Shchors was sent to an accelerated course of study at the Vilna Military School, which at that time had already been evacuated to Poltava, and on June 1 of the same year he was promoted to ensign.

At first he was sent to the 142nd Infantry Reserve Regiment, which was located in Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk), but in October he was transferred to the 335th Anapa Regiment, which was part of the 84th Infantry Division.


N. Shchors in the tsarist army

Now N. Shchors found himself on the southern fronts of that war - first on the South-Western, then on the Romanian. In May-April 1917, he “improved his qualifications” at the courses for commanders of trench assault teams and received the rank of second lieutenant. However, already in May Nikolai Shchors fell ill with tuberculosis and was sent to the Simferopol military hospital. It was here that the hero of our article became acquainted with the ideas of the Socialist Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks.

After six months of treatment, he was demobilized for health reasons and in December 1917 returned to his homeland - Snovsk. At this time he was 22 years old.

Red commander


In February 1918, under an agreement with the Central Rada, German and Austrian troops entered the territory of Ukraine.


Territories occupied by Germany and Austria-Hungary in March-April 1918

In March, they also occupied the Chernigov province. Nikolai Shchors, together with his uncle Kazimir and younger brother Konstantin, left Snovsk occupied by the Germans for the city of Semyonovka, where he organized a partisan detachment of about 400 people. He several times entered into battle with the invaders near Klintsy and Zlynka (a city on the territory of the modern Bryansk region), but the forces were unequal.

At the beginning of May 1918, Shchors' detachment moved to territory controlled by the authorities of Soviet Russia, where it was disarmed and disbanded near the city of Unecha. And Shchors went to Moscow because he wanted to continue his studies - already at the medical faculty of the university. In order to have the right to enter it, he provided a fake certificate of graduation from the Kyiv Seminary. But fate decreed otherwise.

In July 1918, the All-Ukrainian Central Military Revolutionary Committee (VTsVRK) was created in Kursk, which set as its goal the liberation of Ukraine. Preparations for an armed uprising began, Shchors was asked to form and lead a regiment of one and a half thousand people, which received the name of the punishable hetman Ivan Bohun, a comrade-in-arms of Bohdan Khmelnytsky who died in the Chernigov region.

Shchors coped with the task perfectly; his regiment turned out to be one of the most disciplined and combat-ready formations and operated very successfully in the rear of the German troops. Shchors' organizational and military abilities did not go unnoticed; already in October he was appointed commander of the 2nd brigade, which, in addition to Bohunsky, also included the Tarashchansky regiment of the 1st Ukrainian Soviet division.

On October 23, 1918, the Red Army went on the offensive, in which Shchors' brigade liberated Klintsy, Starodub, Glukhov, Shostka, as well as his hometown of Snovsk (it was occupied by the Tarashchansky regiment). The offensive continued in January 1919, when Chernigov, Kozelets and Nizhyn were occupied. Shchors unexpectedly showed himself to be a skilled military leader, who, moreover, was not afraid to be on the front line and took care of his soldiers in every possible way. The commander of Soviet troops in Ukraine, Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko, wrote about him:

“The Red Army men loved Shchors for his care and courage, the commanders respected him for his intelligence, clarity and resourcefulness.”

Mikhail Insarov-Vaks, who served under the command of Shchors, recalled:

“His (Shchors) powerful figure goes through all the campaigns against the Petliurites and battles with them... Combining boundless courage and the rebellious spirit of a partisan with the clear, disciplined mind of a red leader, Nikolai Alexandrovich was a very sympathetic and sincere comrade.”

Shchors, indeed, was very loved among the troops and in terms of this indicator he can only be compared with Kotovsky and Chapaev, as well as with Makhno. The hero of the article was then only 23 years old, and his subordinates already unanimously called him dad.

On February 1, 1919, the Shchors brigade, having defeated Petlyura’s vastly superior troops, occupied Brovary, and on February 5 it entered Kiev. Shchors was awarded a personalized gold medal weapons and became the commandant of this city. Then Zhitomir and Berdichev were liberated.

On March 19, 1919, Shchors was appointed commander of the First Ukrainian Soviet Division. Developing his success, he drove Petlyura’s troops out of Vinnitsa, Zhmerinka, Shepetovka and Rivne. At the same time, Shchors’ proposal to create a school for red commanders was accepted, to which 300 former front-line soldiers were sent.

In general, there were all the prerequisites for Nikolai Shchors to become one of the best commanders of the young Soviet state. However, he had very little time to live.


N. Shchors. Watercolor from a photograph of 1919

In June 1919, the Ukrainian units of the VTsVRK were included in the united Red Army. The 1st Ukrainian Soviet Division of Shchors was merged with the 44th Rifle Division of the Red Army, commanded by I. N. Dubovoy. Shchors became the commander of the new unit, which became part of the 12th Army. Shchors was confirmed as the head of the united 44th division on August 21 - and just 9 days later he died under mysterious and not entirely clear circumstances.

The tragic denouement


So, against the backdrop of high-profile victories, many of which were won by the young Nikolai Shchors, the complete liberation of Ukraine seemed a done deal. However, Poland then entered the war. The White Army managed to take advantage of the situation, defeating Soviet troops in the Donbass, occupying Crimea, Novorossiysk provinces and even part of Slobozhanshchina.

In western Ukraine, only in the area of ​​Birzuly (in the future - Kotovsk, now - Podolsk) the Red Army units of Iona Yakir still fought fierce battles. From there, Grigory Kotovsky will lead his Tiraspol brigade to Kyiv behind enemy lines. And in the rear, one after another, all kinds of “fathers” raised uprisings.

Shchors was forced to retreat to Korosten - and there was nothing to reproach him for: he walked, snarling like a lion. It was his division that covered the evacuation of Soviet institutions from Kyiv in rearguard battles.

On the fateful day of August 30, 1919, Shchors, his deputy Ivan Dubovoy (former army commander, then commander of the 44th division of the Red Army, who fell subordinate to Shchors) and commissar Pavel Tankhil-Tankhilevich went to the forward positions of the 3rd battalion of the 388th infantry regiment near the village of Beloshitsa. In this direction he was opposed by the 7th Brigade of the 2nd Corps of the Galician Army of the Western Ukrainian People's Republic (this ephemeral state formation was in alliance with the Whites). Here the young division commander received a fatal wound to the head. Ivan Dubovoy recalled:

“I especially remember one machine gun showing “activity” near the railway booth. This machine gun forced us to lie down, as the bullets literally dug the ground near us. When we lay down, Shchors turned his head to me and said: “Vanya, look how the machine gunner shoots accurately.” After that, Shchors took binoculars and began to look at where the machine gun was firing. A moment later, the binoculars fell out of Shchors’s hands, and his head bowed to the ground... The bullet hit the left temple and exited at the back of the head.”

The news of the division commander's injury spread among the soldiers, who, wanting revenge, went on the attack and knocked the Galicians out of their position. They did not take prisoners that day.
The authors of the “Song about Shchors” written in 1936 (verses by M. Golodny, music by M. Blanter) left the hero alive:

“The regiment commander walked under the red banner.
The head is tied, blood on the sleeve,
A bloody trail spreads across the damp grass.”

However, in fact, Shchors died 15 minutes later. He was only 24 years old, and his common-law wife, Fruma Efimovna Rostova, was 8 months pregnant at that time; a month later she gave birth to a daughter, Valentina.

Shchors' death came as a shock to the soldiers, who sincerely mourned their commander. His body was transported to Klintsy, where soldiers and city residents said goodbye to the hero for 4 days from September 1 to 4, 1919. The situation at the front was unstable; it could not be ruled out that the enemies could desecrate Shchors’ grave, just as in Zhitomir they desecrated the grave of Vasily Bozhenko, Shchors’ friend.


Tarasenko V. Shchors and Bozhenko, 1972

Shchors' common-law wife F. Rostova decided to bury him in her hometown - Samara. The corpse was kept in a saline solution for a day, then placed in a coffin lined with galvanized iron, which, in turn, was placed in a sealed zinc box. Shchors' body was accompanied by F. Rostova and her three sisters, three brothers of the murdered man, several soldiers from his division and an honor guard of 10 cadets from the school of red commanders he organized.


Still from the film “Shchors”, 1939

A special train (“funeral train”) was formed, consisting of a saloon car in which the coffin was located, and two cars for accompanying people. This train arrived in Samara on September 13. The next day, September 14, 1919, Shchors’ body was buried at the All Saints Cemetery. Later, the Samara Provincial Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks allocated funds for the installation of a monument made of white marble. The inscription read: “Chief of Division 44 Nikolai Aleksandrovich Shchors 1895–1919.”

In 1921, one of Shchors’ former subordinates, I. Tishchenko, while passing through Samara, with the help of master Brannikov (who made the monument), installed a fence.

However, in 1926, construction of a new plant began on the site of this cemetery. For some reason, Shchors’ grave was forgotten, and his body was not reburied in a new place.

The mystery of the death of Nikolai Shchors


We remember that I.N. Dubovoy became a subordinate of Shchors after the unification of their divisions. And already in August and September 1919, there were rumors among Shchorsovites that it was Dubovoy who killed their beloved commander in order to take his place. A supporter of this version was even the commander of the 388th regiment Kvyatek, who, being arrested in 1937, wrote to the People's Commissar of the NKVD N. Yezhov:

“I want to talk about the murder of the former commander of the 44th Infantry Division Shchors and everything that leads me to the firm belief that Dubovoy was involved in this case... there was intense talk among the soldiers that Shchorsa was killed by Dubovoy in order to take Shchors’ place. This thought also occurred to me back then. “I proceeded from personal suspicions, based on the circumstances of Shchors’ death, which I myself observed.”

Dubovoy emphasized loyalty to the division commander in every possible way; in 1935 he published the book “My Memories of Shchors.”

For some time, the name of Shchors was not heard, but he was remembered in the 30s, when the official “pantheon” of heroes of the Civil War began to form. Shchors entered into it quite deservedly. In 1936, the above-quoted “Song about Shchors” was written and became very popular. In 1939, a film by Alexander Dovzhenko was released, in which the role of Shchors was played by E. Samoilov.


Poster for the film "Shchors"


Evgeny Samoilov as Shchors

Books about Shchors also appeared, including the above-mentioned memoirs of I. Dubovoy. In 1935, the hero’s name was given to his hometown - Snovsk (and lost it in 2016). And in 1949, the authorities remembered the lost grave of Shchors. Some witnesses to his funeral were still alive and the grave was found.


Monument at the grave of Shchors in Samara, erected in 1954

But at the same time, a shocking circumstance was revealed: the specialists who examined the remains stated that the bullet that killed Shchors was fired from a short-barreled weapon from a short distance and entered the back of the division commander’s head. That is, it turned out that Shchors was treacherously killed by the man who was next to him - behind and to the right. The documents on this case were immediately classified, but the question arose about the killer. Some decided that Semyon Aralov, a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the 12th Army, the future founder of the GRU, could be interested in the death of Shchors.


S. Aralov (sitting below, fourth from left) with his wife in Turkey

Regarding the “visit” of Aralov and other Soviet military advisers to Turkey, the Berlin newspaper “Rul” wrote on August 14, 1921:

“In connection with the arrival in Angora of the third Soviet representative, Aralov, on a mission consisting entirely of officers of the General Staff, Greek newspapers report that the presence in Angora of three authorized Soviet representatives (Frunze, Aralova and Frumkin) indicates the intention of the Bolsheviks to take over the leadership of the military operations in Anatolia ”.

Aralov and Shchors were constantly in conflict; the following letter from Aralov to Trotsky has been preserved:

“The command staff is not fit for purpose. Many belong in prison. Divisional commander Shchors considers himself a king. His Bohunsky regiment is counter-revolutionaries... This is a threat to Soviet power.”

It is curious that Aralov turned out to be a very principled person; he criticized Shchors even when he was officially recognized as a hero of the Civil War. However, Aralov was not with Shchors, and therefore a frankly weak version was put forward that Commissar Pavel Samuilovich Tankhil-Tankhilevich became the executor of his will.

But the main suspicions fell on Shchors’ deputy and rival, I. Dubovoy. He previously commanded an entire army, which joined the 12th. And then Dubovoy lost his position as division commander - in this case, it was Shchors, under whose subordination he found himself, who crossed his path.

In fact, Ivan Naumovich Dubovoy was a very distinguished man. He was born in the Kyiv province into a peasant family in 1896, that is, he was a year younger than Shchors. His childhood was spent in the Donbass, where his father got a job as a miner. He received a good education - he graduated from a real school in Slavyansk and the Kiev Commercial Institute. In November 1916 he was drafted into the army and graduated from ensign school. He did not take part in hostilities, but served as a junior officer in the training team of an infantry regiment stationed in Krasnoyarsk. He joined the RSDLP in June 1917. He was distinguished by personal courage and had a reputation as a strict and demanding commander. In 1920 he received the Order of the Red Banner.


Ivan Dubovoy in 1923

He rose to the rank of commander of the Kharkov Military District; below is his photograph in this position:


Commander of the Kharkov Military District I. N. Dubovoy

He trained twice in Germany, because of which in 1937 he was accused of participating in a fascist military conspiracy and was shot in 1938 (rehabilitated in 1956).

And in 1949 they remembered that Dubovoy claimed that the bullet entered Shchors’ head from the front. And that Dubova forbade him to remove the bandage he personally applied - Shchors was sent to Samara with it (moreover, he was buried with it). It looks really strange and suspicious.

They also remembered then about the rumors about Dubov’s murder of Shchors, which circulated among the soldiers of the 44th Division, and about the testimony of Kvyatek quoted above. But there is still no direct evidence of Dubovoy’s involvement in Shchors’ death.

The simplest and therefore most plausible version of the rebound cannot be ruled out. After all, according to eyewitnesses, there were many large stones at the site of Shchors’ death. Dubovoy, seeing that the bullet hit the back of the division commander’s head, could have been afraid that the soldiers, avenging him, would simply kill everyone who was nearby. And therefore, having personally bandaged Shchors’ head, he ordered not to remove or touch the bandage.

Memory of Shchors and the war against monuments


Monuments to Shchors appeared in many cities of the Soviet Union.


Monument to Shchors in Bryansk


Monument to Shchors in Belgorod


Monument to Shchors in Chernigov

You probably guessed that in modern Ukraine, in the wake of decommunization, Shchors also suffered. For example, this memorial plaque to Shchors was dismantled in Vinnitsa in 2016:


The Nazis had the greatest difficulties with the Kyiv monument, which was erected in 1954.

The fact is that even before Euromaidan it was included in the State Register of “immovable” monuments of national significance in Ukraine. In addition, the first President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk claimed that it was he, as a student, who served as the model for the creation of this monument. As a result, Kiev residents began to call this sculpture “Lenya Kravchuk, who is going to the station to head off to his Rivne.” Let’s say right away that these are pure fantasies, and the authors of the sculpture knew nothing about any V. Kravchuk.

Mikhail Lysenko claimed that the model Anton Bozhko posed for the rough model of the monument, and Nikolai Sukhodol writes that when working on the “finishing version” a certain conservatory student named Nosenko posed. As a result, the Minister of Culture of Ukraine A. Tkachenko found what he apparently thought was a very ingenious solution. He declared that only the sculpture of a horse has artistic value, it:

“Recognized by all art critics as an outstanding artistic horse.”


Monument to Shchors in Kyiv

And he suggested leaving her, and removing the rider, Shchors. As they say, it would be funny if it weren't so sad. Currently, the monument to Shchors in Kyiv looks like this:

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  1. +13
    22 October 2023 04: 22
    Thank you, Valery!

    Interesting. Moreover, familiar cities of the Bryansk region are mentioned with might and main.
    1. +15
      22 October 2023 04: 38
      Quote from Korsar4
      Interestingly

      And how can all this fit into the new, emerging ideology, which is now dominated by I.A. Ilyin?
      1. +6
        22 October 2023 04: 58
        Why write something down somewhere?

        If you have time, you can practice squaring a circle.

        Ilyin read a little in the 90s. It was quite interesting.
        1. -1
          22 October 2023 08: 06
          Quote from Korsar4
          Why write something down somewhere?

          So there is no need for ideology?
          Quote from Korsar4
          Ilyin read a little in the 90s. It was quite interesting.

          Were you interested in fascism? Purely academic interest or as a program for action?
          1. +5
            22 October 2023 08: 19
            I wouldn't hang up labels.

            Ilyin wrote interesting things about the history of the Germanic tribes.
            About our country too.

            I won't talk about ideology. Not my thing at all.

            It's good when there are things that unite.

            For example, the Russian language in which we communicate.
      2. +14
        22 October 2023 06: 11
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        the emerging ideology, which is now dominated by I.A. Ilyin?

        The absolute majority of citizens (99,999%) do not even have an idea who I.A. Ilyin is, and then what can be said about his ideology.
        1. +5
          22 October 2023 07: 05
          Who will we name from the “Philosophical Ship”?
          1. VLR
            +13
            22 October 2023 07: 12
            By the way, there were three ships and the Soviet government paid for first-class tickets for the “philosophers.” How many current “artists” and “thought leaders” now dream about this: to be taken to Sheremetyevo and given business class airline tickets to Paris, London or New York! And there they were greeted as “fighters against the regime.”
            1. +3
              22 October 2023 07: 17
              Yeah. The only property left behind was a couple of coats. And a bit more. Wedding rings, however, were allowed to be taken.

              But I’m not sure about the gold cross on the neck.
              1. +3
                22 October 2023 08: 17
                Quote from Korsar4
                Yeah. The only property left behind was a couple of coats. And a bit more. Wedding rings, however, were allowed to be taken.

                But I’m not sure about the gold cross on the neck.

                If you're not sure, don't overtake... wink Compare with the “Soviet Ark”, which in 1919 forcibly removed “representatives of left-wing views” from the United States...
                1. +1
                  22 October 2023 08: 24
                  This was a retaliatory move.

                  Why is there a need for comparison?

                  Did Berdyaev, Osorgin and others somehow influence the “Soviet Ark”?
              2. VLR
                +10
                22 October 2023 08: 26
                Now only suckers buy gold or dozens of Rollexes. Or, when the money no longer fits on credit cards and you have to stuff change into your pockets. For example, Chubais left without gold. And the first thing he did was run to the ATM, where he got it Pugacheva, Galkin, Makarevich Khamatova also turned out to be no stupider.
                1. +1
                  22 October 2023 08: 39
                  Do you think all professors also had accounts abroad? Maybe. I don't know how things were there.

                  In general, the deportation system was interesting. It was possible to petition so as not to be deported.

                  In those industries where professors and engineers were needed, they waited until their successors grew up.

                  Kaverin’s “Before the Mirror” comes to mind.
              3. +4
                22 October 2023 20: 02
                Hello, Sergey! smile
                From the film "Shchors" the most memorable episode was the speech of Father Bozhenko regarding the expropriation of the bourgeoisie. wink
                1. 0
                  23 October 2023 01: 55
                  Hi Constantine!

                  I haven't seen the film at all. And such an episode cannot but be remembered.
            2. +1
              22 October 2023 07: 39
              Good morning everyone, “we were awarded business class tickets”, I won’t give you a penny!
        2. -1
          22 October 2023 08: 11
          Quote: bober1982
          The absolute majority of citizens (99,999%) do not even have an idea who I.A. Ilyin is, and then what can be said about his ideology.

          Well, I think when the Guarantor himself mentions him more than once from the blue screen... people will take an interest.
          99,999%? That is, only 1460 Russians know who Ilyin is? Do you have too low an opinion of our people?
          1. +5
            22 October 2023 10: 30
            Well, I think when the Guarantor himself mentions him more than once from the blue screen... people will take an interest.
            99,999%? That is, only 1460 Russians know who Ilyin is? Do you have too low an opinion of our people?

            You will be surprised, but I also don’t really know who this Ilyin is, and I don’t have any complexes about this. So, I heard briefly that it was like Berdyaev, but I don’t think that because of a whim, everyone suddenly rushed to read it.
      3. +10
        22 October 2023 06: 36
        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
        Quote from Korsar4
        Interestingly

        And how can all this fit into the new, emerging ideology, which is now dominated by I.A. Ilyin?

        To be honest, I don't care. Poor me, I don’t even know who this is!
        Good morning to everyone, including this what’s his name, Ilyin.
        1. +6
          22 October 2023 07: 03
          The figure is interesting.
          The first time I heard it was from a friend of mine, an artist.

          And then I bought the volume in the shop of the Old Believer Temple near the Belorusskaya metro station.

          I even wondered if I should re-read it. So - thanks for the reminder.
        2. +3
          22 October 2023 07: 48
          I know about Ilyin, the actor. I saw it once, but I don’t need others
          1. +4
            22 October 2023 20: 50
            I know about Ilyin, the actor. I saw it once, but I don’t need others
            There is a suspicion that our top management was not talking about the actor.
    2. +8
      22 October 2023 16: 06
      Thank you, Valery! Interesting!

      I agree. The article was "missed". It is written competently and impartially, especially regarding the versions of Shores’ death. Well done author.
  2. +5
    22 October 2023 04: 27
    As the hero of “17 Moments of Spring” said: “The case must be investigated so that the shadow of vain suspicion does not fall on deserving people.”
    And if you read Guderian’s memoirs, “Memoirs of a Soldier,” you might think that his colleagues and teachers were deeply decent, worthy people. And not an army of fascist robbers.
    This is how it should be, this is what we are missing!
  3. +8
    22 October 2023 05: 06
    Thank you, I didn't know much.
    There were many large stones at the site of Shchors death.
    What, a ricochet can cause a bullet to turn 180 degrees?
    1. +12
      22 October 2023 06: 32
      Ricochet is a rather unpredictable thing. When a bullet hits a stone, it can destroy part of it and then ricochet. More or less predictable with subsonic large-caliber bullets. Several times I observed what a 5,45 bullet fired from an AKS-74U did in a closed room. Scary and unpredictable.
      Seriously, we weren't there. Shchors could turn around, bend over, etc. The ricochet could be from a stone, or from a weapon or piece of equipment.
      The conclusion is also interesting: the hundred shot was fired from a short-barreled weapon.
      I can still throw out a couple of versions, but this is all hot air.
      1. +1
        22 October 2023 07: 50
        I read that he was killed with a revolver and almost point-blank.
      2. +5
        22 October 2023 09: 53
        Perhaps there was a fragment from a disintegrated 7,62x54R bullet.
        It was mistaken for a pistol or revolver bullet.
        And that means the wound was through and through, since the presence of the bullet itself or its fragments in the skull was not indicated.
        1. +3
          22 October 2023 11: 06
          In your opinion, experts cannot distinguish a piece of a “collapsed” rifle bullet from a whole revolver bullet? By the way, at that time rifle bullets were made entirely of lead, and as a rule they did not collapse, but only deformed, remaining a single whole.
          1. +8
            22 October 2023 11: 49
            By the way, at that time rifle bullets were made entirely of lead, and as a rule they did not collapse, but only deformed, remaining a single whole.
            As far as I know, rifle bullets were already jacketed, with the Germans since 1904, with us since 1908.
            1. +6
              22 October 2023 12: 40
              On September 14, 1919, Shchors' body was buried at the All Saints Cemetery.

              Funeral of N.A. Shchorsa. Samara 1919
              1. +9
                22 October 2023 13: 26
                Act of forensic medical examination during the exhumation of Shchors’ body in 1949, carried out by the Samara State Department in 1949. gives more questions than answers. The Forensic Medical Examination Act of 1949 clearly stated
                a smooth round entrance hole with small detachments of bone fragments along the edges of the skull damage was “inflicted by a 7 mm bullet. from firearms." It entered the back of the head and came out at the crown.

                This means the bullet entered stabilized. And precisely from a short barrel: from a rifle rifle there will not just be one crack between the inlet and outlet, but the entire braincase will be blown apart by a water hammer - that means there will be no ricochet.... But. read further -
                The bullet entered Shchors head deformed.

                So it was all a ricochet? What follows is even more interesting:
                “It is not possible to determine the distance from which the shot was fired.” About the type of weapon: “either a revolver or a combat rifle. It is not possible to accurately determine the type of weapon.” The shot or ricochet was probably fired at close range, presumably 2,5-5 meters. To establish this more objectively, it is necessary to know at what distance the body was from the rock at the time of the injury. We do not have such data. Today it is not possible to establish the actual place of death of N.A. Shchors...
                Prev. exhumation court. honey. com. Professor Kulnitsky B.M.
                Art. anatomist Ph.D. Polgin V.N.
                (C)

                So there is wide scope for different versions and speculations.
                1. +3
                  22 October 2023 13: 39
                  I was wondering how you can determine the caliber of a bullet from the entrance hole if it was deformed?
                2. +4
                  22 October 2023 14: 48
                  The bullet entered Shchors head deformed.

                  So it was all a ricochet?

                  As a version: the shot was fired at point-blank range, but through an obstacle designed to cut off the powder gases, but which deformed the bullet. If the barrel was directed perpendicular to the back of the head, but the touch of an obstacle prompted Shchors to turn his head to the right, towards the nearby shooter, then the trajectory of the bullet to the left temple is well explained.
                3. +1
                  22 October 2023 17: 30
                  About the fact that Shores was killed with a revolver. It was: “Around the World” and it seems “Motherland”
            2. +2
              22 October 2023 15: 55
              Did I write that they were without a shell?
              1. +3
                22 October 2023 16: 14
                at that time rifle bullets were entirely lead,
                Yes, they wrote it.
                1. +1
                  23 October 2023 12: 02
                  No, you read it as you wish. I wrote for those who are in the know. Because later, in the USSR, rifle bullets began to be produced with a steel core. And these bullets, when they hit a hard object, actually break into fragments. But lead bullets do not (except for hitting armor). Because of your quibbles with words, the essence of my response to hohol95’s post has been emasculated. But your cleverness did not provide anything useful for the topic.
            3. +4
              22 October 2023 17: 26
              Even I read about it.
              The bullets were copper jacketed
            4. +1
              22 October 2023 20: 56
              The first blunt bullets were also jacketed.
              The core is made of an alloy of lead and antimony.
              Cupronickel shell.
              The 1908 bullet still has cupronickel silver and lead with antimony. Only the bullet shape is pointed. Less weight 9,6g versus 13,73g. The shell is thicker 0,5 versus 0,3.
              "7,62 mm rifle and machine gun cartridges"
              March 24 2012
              topwat.ru
            5. +2
              23 October 2023 17: 26
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              By the way, at that time rifle bullets were made entirely of lead, and as a rule they did not collapse, but only deformed, remaining a single whole.
              As far as I know, rifle bullets were already jacketed, with the Germans since 1904, with us since 1908.

              This is known only to you and those nine who sucked up to you. In fact, the bullet for the Mosin rifle has always been jacketed, since 1891. Because first a cartridge (with a bullet) was created, and then a rifle for it.
          2. +1
            22 October 2023 17: 31
            Quote: Comrade_X
            By the way, at that time rifle bullets were made entirely of lead, and as a rule they did not collapse, but only deformed, remaining a single whole.

            Нет!
            1. +3
              22 October 2023 20: 55
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: Comrade_X
              By the way, at that time rifle bullets were made entirely of lead, and as a rule they did not collapse, but only deformed, remaining a single whole.

              Нет!

              During the Civil War, there were cases of unsheathed lead bullets for rifles.
              1. +1
                22 October 2023 22: 53
                Only cartridges with homemade bullets were not fired from the machine gun.
                Most often from a sawed-off kulak weapon.
                And those bullets did not fly very far.
            2. 0
              23 October 2023 17: 29
              Yes! The main thing is how well reasoned it is!
        2. +2
          22 October 2023 20: 46
          Quote: hohol95
          Perhaps there was a fragment from a disintegrated 7,62x54R bullet.
          It was mistaken for a pistol or revolver bullet.
          And that means the wound was through and through, since the presence of the bullet itself or its fragments in the skull was not indicated.

          It is unlikely; criminologists in those years did not make such mistakes.
          1. +3
            22 October 2023 21: 03
            Oh ...
            So they didn’t allow it?
            Now criminologists are 100% sure of everything?
            In the 20s or 30s, one young poet tried to prove that 19th century doctors could have saved Pushkin.
            Shot himself with a revolver and...
            The doctors were powerless!!!
            Recently in the USA, police shot dead an Afro-Neger who had undeservedly served 16 years in prison!!!
            The experts pointed it out!
            And recently his patrol was stopped, and he began to “download his rights”...
            And a SHOT rang out...
            1. +2
              22 October 2023 21: 58
              We talk and write about the 50s of the last century. Bullets from revolvers, TTs and their peers have been the main subject of study in forensic practice. Today they rely on electron microscopes and other computer gadgets. Then there was pure crime technology multiplied by experience.
              1. +1
                22 October 2023 22: 51
                Shchorso - "Shchorsovo"...
                Kotovsky - "Kotovskoe"...
                "Rafik is not new..."
                And criminologists were not everywhere “A la Kibrit Zinoida Yanovna”!!!
              2. +1
                28 October 2023 00: 40
                Microscopes, especially comparison ones, were available even then. Optical.
          2. +1
            22 October 2023 22: 14
            Vlad, what is written in the exhumation examination report from 1949 is complete nonsense! As Ravshan used to say: “The cat committed suicide!”
            And you say “they didn’t make mistakes.” Before Chikatilo, forensic experts did not assume that one person’s blood type and sperm type could be different.
            1. +2
              22 October 2023 23: 12
              Anton, it’s hard to make a mistake with a revolver bullet. As with distances to the object. This is the second course of crimtechnics. I don’t think that before the exhumation examination was carried out by laymen or yesterday’s students.
              1. +1
                22 October 2023 23: 35
                So your version is premeditated murder? I would like the “Master of the Trilobite” to express his opinion.
  4. +8
    22 October 2023 05: 07
    Shchors also suffered from the new post-Soviet Russia. In the 90s there was an article, it seems in Komsomolskaya (!!!) Pravda, that Shchors is one of the myths of the Soviet Bolshevik communists. Allegedly, there was no Shchors in life at all and he is a fictional figure.
    And they “blinded” him for the filming of the next film about the heroes of the revolution.
    This is the kind of decommunization that took place under Yeltsin.
    1. +2
      22 October 2023 07: 52
      I haven't heard of this version. And no regrets
    2. +4
      22 October 2023 09: 21
      Shchors also suffered from the new post-Soviet Russia.

      But the bourgeoisie suddenly remembered him... what

  5. +7
    22 October 2023 05: 43
    “The Tale of the Bogunsky and Tarashchansky regiments” made a great impression in my childhood!
  6. +4
    22 October 2023 05: 44
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    Quote from Korsar4
    Interestingly

    And how can all this fit into the new, emerging ideology, which is now dominated by I.A. Ilyin?

    So write...
    ideology Ilyin I.A.
    what
    And the people will figure it out themselves.
  7. +6
    22 October 2023 05: 46
    Shchors' common-law wife, F. Rostova, decided to bury him in her hometown of Samara., from the article.
    Not a common-law wife, but the wife of and, not F. Rostov, but F. Khaikin, and Samara was never the hometown for Fruma Efimovna, by the way, Khaikina herself had a nickname Executioner, they were afraid of her more than Shchors himself.
    Until 1935, the name of Shchors, as a hero of the civil war, was not known to the Soviet public; there was no mention even in the BSA.
    But then, on the personal instructions of Stalin, he, Shchors, was included in the list of heroes of the civil war (cinema, songs, legends and there were)
    1. VLR
      +11
      22 October 2023 06: 46
      Shchors's wife is Fruma Efimovna Rostova-Shchors, née Khaikina. Rostova is a party pseudonym; she is better known by it. By the way, she was mentioned in small works by Teffi and Averchenko. She was born in Novozybkov, but her family lived in Samara.
      1. +6
        22 October 2023 14: 26
        Shchors's wife is Fruma Efimovna Rostova-Shchors, née Khaikina.


        A very ambiguous, passionate character. She was born into the family of a Jewish petty official in the city of Unecha, Chernigov province. From a young age she was fascinated by revolutionary ideas. In 1918, Unecha station, a border station at that time, served as a transit point for Russian emigrants. From there they went to Ukraine, and only then headed further to the West. It was at this station that Unecha Khaikina, from members of the front line and the Chinese and Kazakhs working there on the construction of the railway, created an armed revolutionary detachment “To fight the counter-revolution and remove the property of the republic by emigrants.” The famous Russian writer and poetess Nadezhda Tefi recalled:
        “The commandant of the Rostov Chekist station was a terrible person. There at the station she was the main person. Young, looking either like a student or a telegraph operator. Everyone listens to this crazy dog. Beast. Sitting on the porch. They judge there and shoot there. Locals call her “Haya in leather pants.” There is a big red bow on the jacket and a Mauser on the side. Wherever she was, she was accompanied everywhere by a personal guard of armed Chinese... (c)"

        They met Shchors in the spring of 1918, when Shchors came to Unecha to form a regiment. It is unknown in what ways he tried to lure local residents into the service of the Soviet government. What is known is that this regiment rebelled. The commandant's detachment of Khaikina took an active part in suppressing the rebellion. In the fall of 1918 they got married. Shchors then left to fight the Petliurists, leaving Fruma in Unecha, where she continued to restore “order”, without trial or investigation, shooting everyone who aroused her suspicion. Not forgetting to confiscate jewelry from emigrants in favor of the working people. In August 19th Nikolai Shchors died. Having learned about this, Khaikina, changing her last name to Rostov-Shchors, left with her daughter Samara. There she received a technical education, after which she worked on construction sites, mainly at GOELRO and GULAG sites. As the widow of a national hero and an honorary employee of the state security agencies, she was given an apartment in Moscow in the famous “House on the Embankment.” Where she lived until 1977.
        a photo. Fruma Efimovna Rostova-Shchors.
        1. +9
          22 October 2023 15: 15
          Nikolai Shchors was killed in battle hundreds of kilometers from Samara on August 30, 1919. A few days later, a freight train with a zinc coffin containing his remains arrived in Samara. The division commander was buried here. According to the traditional version, Shchors was wounded in battle by a Petliurist bullet, died in the arms of his deputy and was buried in Samara in order to avoid desecration of his grave by the Petliurists and White Poles. There is another version, according to which Shchors was sent to the next world by his own people, who did not want to put up with the fact that his authority in the Red Army significantly exceeded their own. They, envious people and ill-wishers, allegedly sealed the body in a coffin and sent it away from the scene of events - to a place where no one would remember Shchors. This is how the remains of a hero of the civil war in Ukraine ended up in Samara. No one here remembered any Shchors - neither when the film “Shchors” was released in 1939, nor when it was liquidated in 1926. All Saints Orthodox Cemetery for the construction of a cable plant. They remembered Shchors only in 1949, when an order unexpectedly came from Moscow to Kuibyshev: to find Shchors’ grave and erect a monument on it. The Kuibyshevites were alarmed: the old cemetery had been closed a long time ago, the graves were razed to the ground, the tombstones were burned and broken. The search for documents and witnesses began. Finally, one such witness - a former street child - was found. He said that in 1919 he helped the guard of an Orthodox cemetery. He also took part in the almost secret funeral of the division commander. The former street child led the commission to the place and wandered here for a long time, remembering September 1919. Then he stopped and said: “Well, it seems, here...”. At a depth of one and a half meters, under a thick layer of rubble, a zinc coffin was discovered here, which was removed and taken away for exhumation.
          a photo. search for the grave of N. Shchors. Samara Regional State Archive of Socio-Political History



          a photo. A coffin with the remains of Shchors was discovered on the territory of the Cable Plant in Kuibyshev. July 5, 1949. Samara Regional State Archive of Socio-Political History

          a photo. A fragment of the commission’s act on the exhumation and authentication of the remains of Nikolai Aleksandrovich Shchors. Kuibyshev, July 5, 1949

          The body of Nikolai Shchors, which remained practically incorrupt, was reburied thirty years after the first funeral on July 10, 1949 in a solemn ceremony at the Kuibyshev city cemetery
          Photo: Reburial of the body of N. Shchors. Samara Regional State Archive of Socio-Political History.
          1. +4
            22 October 2023 18: 54
            Shchors was remembered only in 1949, when from Moscow

            ,,,it was not initiated by Moscow.

            In April 1949, Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR N. Bazhan sent a sharp official letter to the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR to B. Chernousov:

            “In 1919, one of the outstanding commanders of the civil war in Ukraine, Nikolai Aleksandrovich Shchors, died in battles with Petliura’s gangs. The ashes of N. Shchors in a zinc coffin were transported from Ukraine in 1919 to the city of Kuibyshev, where they were buried in the old city cemetery. This cemetery was closed by decision of local authorities in 1931, the remains of those buried were transferred to another cemetery, and the cemetery territory was built up. The Committee for Cultural and Educational Institutions under the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR in 1946 undertook a search for the grave of N.A. Shchors, sending a representative to Kuibyshev for this purpose. However, the local Soviet authorities of the city of Kuibyshev did not provide adequate assistance to the representative of the Committee and the grave of N.A. Shchors was not established then. In commemoration of the 30th anniversary of the death of N.A. Shchors, which expires on August 30, 1949, the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR plans to implement a number of events in Ukraine to perpetuate the memory of the outstanding hero of the civil war. The Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR considers it extremely desirable to establish the grave of N.A. Shchors and bring it into proper order and, in this regard, asks the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR:

            1. To oblige the executive committees of the Kuibyshev regional and city Council of Workers' Deputies to take all necessary measures to find the coffin with the ashes of N.A. Shchors, with the involvement for this purpose of the wife of N.A. Shchors - F.E. Rostova and a representative of the Committee for Cultural Affairs educational institutions under the Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR.
            2. Consider the issue of constructing a monument to N.A. Shchors in 1949 in the city of Kuibyshev and carrying out other events in the city of Kuibyshev in order to perpetuate the memory of N.A. Shchors.
            Vice-chairman
            Council of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR N. Bazhan"
            1. +2
              22 October 2023 22: 18
              ,,,it was not initiated by Moscow.

              Thanks for the correction. Did not know.
      2. +2
        22 October 2023 16: 13
        Quote: VlR
        By the way, she was mentioned in small works by Teffi and Averchenko.

        Both he and she remembered Khaikina in their memories when they were already in exile - Khaikina almost shot them, but miraculously survived.
        Quote: VlR
        She was born in Novozybkov, but her family lived in Samara.

        It is unknown what kind of family she had here, the information has not been confirmed.
        When the All Saints Cemetery was liquidated in the 20s, the authorities made an announcement through newspapers - those who wished could make reburials, Khaikina did not respond, for the reason that she did not take care of the grave, and the burial place was lost.
        They looked for Shchors’ grave from 1935 (when his name was booming) to 1949, and they found it thanks to the former street child Ferapontov, he helped dig the grave, he remembered.
        I’ll tell you frankly - the people of Samara are filled with pride that such a person is buried in Samara, but it is not clear why he was buried here.
        By the beginning of the XNUMXs, the monument itself in the city cemetery was actually looted by vandals, they removed everything they could - the saber, inscriptions, etc. But now everything has been restored, the state has taken it under protection.
        1. -10
          22 October 2023 18: 36
          Don’t lie, there aren’t enough crazy people in Samara to be proud of a buried hogweed carcass.
          1. +1
            22 October 2023 19: 58
            Quote: Wacht an der Spree
            Don’t lie, there aren’t enough crazy people in Samara to be proud of a buried hogweed carcass.

            Not quite so, the fact is that many local residents do not know about Shchors’ burial in Samara, because after all the aforementioned examinations were carried out, the entire official biography collapsed and they decided to classify it as secret - this was in Soviet times, but now, no one needs Shchors - different times, different heroes.
  8. +2
    22 October 2023 06: 07
    There was no mention of Shchors in the TSB, the BSA is, of course, a typo.
    1. VLR
      +16
      22 October 2023 07: 08
      You write about this as if you are making a great discovery. It has long been a well-known truth - it is not enough to be a hero, you need to be an officially recognized hero. Each government builds its own pantheon of “demigods.” The current bourgeois rulers tried to make a hero out of Kolchak, who was a pathetic puppet of the Entente (like 90% of all ministers of “free and democratic” Russia - puppets of the modern Entente), a cocaine addict no worse than Zelensky, and was famous for his hysterics - he literally rolled on the floor, if not on it. Quite a suitable hero, from the point of view of the Russian Fifth Column.
      1. 0
        22 October 2023 21: 07
        Quote: VlR
        a cocaine addict no worse than Zelensky, and was famous for his hysterics - he literally rolled on the floor, if not on it.

        3 People's Commissars of the NKVD, shot one after another - apparently, when appointed, were "loyal Leninists, were members of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks)"?
        And then SUDDENLY bam - “scoundrels and scoundrels!!”
  9. +7
    22 October 2023 07: 23
    A song about Shchors was sung during singing lessons in Soviet schools.
    “... we threw back a fierce enemy beyond the cordon, we have hardened our honor from a young age...”
    1. +4
      22 October 2023 09: 57
      A song about Shchors was sung during singing lessons in Soviet schools.

      1. +12
        22 October 2023 11: 19
        By an inexplicable whim of fate, this “Song about Shchors” became a catalyst for me of interest in the ancient Cossack song. In 1974, our school choir participated in the Children's competition in Pyatigorsk. We just sang this song, announcing it as a Russian folk song. Our second song was also “Russian folk peasant song “Oh, frost, frost.” The jury of the competition was the first secretary of the Pyatigorsk city committee of the CPSU, Viktor Alekseevich Kaznacheev, a great erudite and a fan of ancient Cossack songs. He could not stand it and jumped onto the stage. “You sing great.” , but you are announcing incorrectly, the songs are wonderful, well-known, but not Russian folk - they have authors - Shchors" M. Blanter and M. Golodny. And "Oh, frost" S. Kopytkin - this song is our local Cossack song from the time of YAV 1904 To our amazement, he said, “Don’t believe me? So you sang, I’ll hug my wife, I’ll water my horse, and what next? Do not know? Listen! And he sang:
        My wife is beautiful. Waiting for me to go home, waiting sad.
        My wife's body is hot, her body is hot, her lips are sweet.
        But now I can’t live in the house with my wife. Tomorrow they will take us to the Amur River.
        To the Amur River to fight. They gave us three days to see the wives.
        To see the wives, to hug the kids, and to collect some land from the cemeteries in Gaitana (c)

        Here, before you, the Hot Vody guys sang “Poryushka-Paranya”, as they correctly announced - an ancient Terek Cossack Lezginka. Well done! They remember their roots!"
        We were so struck by these words of the first secretary that upon returning home we began to record ancient songs and tunes from the old people. Half a century has passed since then, but interest still remains. Many thanks to V.A. Kaznacheev. Five years ago, he unfortunately passed away. But he left a good memory of himself.
        1. +9
          22 October 2023 11: 31
          Somehow in childhood they put in the same row - “A detachment was walking along the shore” and “There, far away across the river.” And every song gives me goosebumps.
          1. +3
            22 October 2023 11: 52
            I liked Grenada better...
            1. +4
              22 October 2023 13: 14
              This song was the third one that came to mind. But I heard it later. And it is all different from the first two.
          2. +9
            22 October 2023 11: 58
            “There, far beyond the river” - gives me goosebumps.

            “There, far beyond the river” is a popular song in pre-revolutionary Russia remade in the 30s at the station. poet of the Silver Age of Russian poetry "Terek Nightingale" R.A. Lun - "Beyond the Liaohe River"
            a photo R.A.Lun

            clip from DJ studio "Jam"

            There are many songs based on his poems that are considered “Russian folk” - “My dear, take me with you”, “I got drunk drunk”, “The moon turned crimson”, “A friend was driving to me”, “Probably, probably”, “ Along the River”, “White Papakha”, “How Nastasya saw off Peter to the war”, “About the horse”, “Let Dad Go”, “Ring”, “Seeing off, dressing up”, “Natasha” and many others. etc.
            Good afternoon . Sergey!
            1. +7
              22 October 2023 14: 54
              Good afternoon, Dmitry!

              It's very important when people sing. Especially if the songs link generations.
              1. +6
                22 October 2023 15: 34
                My family, by the way, directly. In that raid on Yankova, which is sung about in the song, my great-grandmother’s father, sub-squire of the 1st Volga Regiment of TKV Petr Rodionovich Staritsky, died
  10. +10
    22 October 2023 07: 29
    Currently, the monument to Shchors in Kyiv looks like
    Like Lenin's mausoleum on May 9... laughing
    2nd Corps of the Galician Army of the Western Ukrainian People's Republic (this ephemeral state formation was in alliance with the Whites)
    At that time, the army of the Western Ukrainian People's Republic was not an ally of the Whites. This happened a little later. And the Western Ukrainian People's Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic were like a single state, the Western Ukrainian People's Republic joined the Ukrainian People's Republic with autonomy rights.
    1. +12
      22 October 2023 08: 29
      Quote: parusnik
      Currently, the monument to Shchors in Kyiv looks like
      Like Lenin's mausoleum on May 9...

      Hmm. The same thought appeared. As they say, find five differences. bully
      1. +13
        22 October 2023 08: 35
        Decommunization, de-Sovietization...they are walking fast there, in our country the chicken pecks every grain laughing Gradually, the brain is pecked out laughing
        1. +3
          22 October 2023 10: 52
          Decommunization, de-Sovietization... they are walking fast there, in our country the chicken is pecking at the grain... Gradually, the brain is being pecked out...

          Alexey Anatolyevich, I would add denationalization to the associative series you cited, meaning by this term the deprivation of Russian people of national identity. Being Russian and directly stating this is the same as throwing grains to the chicken you mentioned.
          I wouldn’t like to talk about it, but the environment no longer whispers, it screams! Although the slogans are exactly the opposite. However, the slogans became faded, frayed and, rolled up, were thrown into a landfill. Although there are those who, not noticing what is happening, continue to wave them and stop this action only when, with a menacing frown, they thrust Ilyin’s volume under their noses, saying, what are you doing?
          That’s not why the ancestors fought and Shchors died.
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      2. +6
        22 October 2023 08: 38
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        Lenin mausoleum

        And one more thing. Now there is active preparation for an *event* in memory of that parade, the parade that took place on November 7, 1941. Hence the question, what will it look like? A mausoleum?
        1. +12
          22 October 2023 08: 46
          And the most interesting thing is that the parade took place in honor of the October Revolution, and now it is presented as just a parade on November 7th.
          what will it look like? Mausoleum?
          Does Hito know him? Maybe the hand with a hammer and plywood won’t rise, although anything can happen... Our leadership is opposed to the distortion of history laughing
          1. +9
            22 October 2023 10: 34
            Alas, Putin is a member of the Yeltsin “family”, an heir left “on the farm”. Hence all these Yeltsin centers and the Solzhenitsyn monument, reverent attitude towards Chubais, the wife and daughter of the former “master” - Sobchak, loyalty to the oligarchs, the desire to please the “leaders of the free world” because of which Russia found itself in such a situation. And everything is wrapped in beautiful words about patriotism.
        2. +3
          22 October 2023 10: 58
          Now there is active preparation for an *event* in memory of that parade, the parade that took place on November 7, 1941. Hence the question, what will it look like? A mausoleum?

          Sergey Vladimirovich, it’s good that you reminded me. Life has changed so much - to the point of alienation, that it is as if you are hanging in the air, not understanding where to land. That's right, the state is suspended. And the terrain below, under our feet, is completely unfamiliar.
  11. +1
    22 October 2023 07: 45
    was a railway worker. However... he was still a fairly prosperous peasant.

    Funny written. So is he a worker or a peasant?
    1. +8
      22 October 2023 13: 05
      Quote: Ermak_Timofeich
      So is he a worker or a peasant?

      Strictly speaking, one does not contradict the other.
      Peasants who moved to the city did not immediately lose their belonging to their class.
      But here, obviously, it means that Shchors’ father, in addition to his main job at the railway, also had a land plot + farm.
    2. +2
      22 October 2023 13: 57
      What prevented you from working on the railway and having land?
      1. 0
        22 October 2023 21: 14
        Quote: faiver
        What prevented you from working on the railway and having land?

        Do you catch the difference between the peasant plot represented by the community and the worker’s garden? The areas are very different.
        1. 0
          23 October 2023 05: 15
          By the concept of “having land,” I precisely meant a normal peasant allotment, and not a worker’s vegetable garden. The family is large, there is someone to work in the fields, and you can hire farm laborers.
          1. -1
            25 October 2023 11: 40
            Quote: faiver
            By the concept of “having land,” I precisely meant a normal peasant allotment, and not a worker’s vegetable garden. The family is large, there is someone to work in the fields, and you can hire farm laborers.

            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Quote: your1970
            Do you catch the difference between the peasant plot represented by the community and the worker’s garden?

            Do you seriously think that if a peasant got a job at a nearby railway station, his allotment would be taken away from him? belay

            Didn’t you know that if a peasant moved to the city, the community took the allotment from him??
            The peasant did not own the land; the land was communal and it was ruled by the community. If the peasant did not take care of his land, it was simply taken from him by society.
            If a peasant got a permanent job and could not himself or his children cultivate the land or hire farm laborers, such land was also confiscated and redistributed
            1. 0
              25 October 2023 15: 40
              Quote: your1970
              Didn’t you know that if a peasant moved to the city, the community took the allotment from him??

              And if he’s not going to any city? didn't move? No.
              From the text it only follows that the father of the future hero of the Civil War worked on the railway. But not in the city, but in the village of Snovsk, originally built to serve the Gomel - Bakhmach line of the Libavo-Romensky railway. This settlement received city status only in 1924.
              That is, nothing stopped him from getting a job at the railway and continuing to work on his plot.
              Quote: your1970
              If a peasant did not take care of his land, it was simply taken away from him by society.

              In this case, it is quite obvious that he was engaged))) Yes
        2. +1
          23 October 2023 13: 29
          Quote: your1970
          Do you catch the difference between the peasant plot represented by the community and the worker’s garden?

          Do you seriously think that if a peasant got a job at a nearby railway station, his allotment would be taken away from him? belay
  12. +1
    22 October 2023 07: 53
    "In this direction he was opposed by the 7th brigade of the 2nd corps of the Galician Army of the Western Ukrainian People's Republic (this ephemeral state formation was in alliance with the whites)."

    The UGA entered into an alliance with the WSUR in November 1919, and then only for a couple of months, before that it conducted military operations against them along with other parts of the UPR (except for a short period in August 1919, when it adhered to neutrality regarding the “whites”). The ZUNR ceased to exist back in legally, and in fact in mid-July at the beginning of 1919. The author should be more careful...
  13. +1
    22 October 2023 07: 55
    Valery, it so happened that there was no time for the site, but now I’ll have to read it backwards
  14. +4
    22 October 2023 08: 05
    Quote: U-58
    Shchors also suffered from the new post-Soviet Russia. In the 90s there was an article, it seems in Komsomolskaya (!!!) Pravda, that Shchors is one of the myths of the Soviet Bolshevik communists. Allegedly, there was no Shchors in life at all and he is a fictional figure.
    And they “blinded” him for the filming of the next film about the heroes of the revolution.
    This is the kind of decommunization that took place under Yeltsin.

    Yes, decommunization continues to this day. At VO, naturally, subordination is observed. That’s why about the idol for the current chief in the army, who slaughtered the Bolsheviks in his native Tuvan steppes and mountains, Baron Ungern, personally, in VO there were already three or four articles in just a short time, and about the real people’s heroes - the Bolsheviks and Red commanders, about about whom the songs are composed, about those VO issues, about all of them together, two or three articles a year.
    Well, Rezun-Suvorov, who started back in 90 and is still spitting spitting at the exploits of Gastello, Kosmodemyanskaya, Matrosov and Panfilov’s men - doesn’t he have like-minded people among the civilian ministerial colleagues of that chief minister of war, if the books of the chief decommunizer, but a liar and a falsifier, Solzhenitsyn, have not yet been removed from school curricula and this forces our children to participate in decommunization. But there are also all kinds of Bilzho, with a smaller caliber. but for example, Kosmodemyanskaya’s feat is ignored no less than by the Rezuns-Suvorovs. What do you think of Mr. Makarevich, an ardent decommunizer who called the Russian people cattle because these people remember the exploits of the Red civil commissars and political instructors of the Second World War? In what prison is the decommunizer Makrevich sitting for humiliating and insulting an entire people and the history of this people? And you are talking about decommunization under Yeltsin. So he is already dead, but the current decommunizers are alive and continue the work of the Yeltsinites.
    1. +8
      22 October 2023 08: 10
      Why are you surprised that Yeltsin’s successors behave accordingly?
      1. +9
        22 October 2023 08: 26
        Quote from Korsar4
        Is it surprising that Yeltsin’s successors behave accordingly?

        But I personally am surprised that the people / for the most part / continue to believe in “Yeltsin’s successor”. Not even a successor, but specifically a trusted person. Faith in a good tsar and bad boyars is truly indestructible in Rus'.
        1. +5
          22 October 2023 08: 33
          Seryozha, the hackneyed truth about the fact that the king is played by his retinue has not been canceled.

          And the actions speak for themselves.
          1. +5
            22 October 2023 08: 48
            Quote from Korsar4
            affairs

            Deeds. Deeds, deeds, deeds. Here recently one used general famously * annealed * Solovyov. In short, the essence of the statements is this: the GDP enjoys the trust of eighty percent of the electorate, what to do with the rest? Yes, it’s really possible to spread rot, because they are almost enemies .I'm afraid that this is no longer quite...normal.
            1. +7
              22 October 2023 09: 00
              Seryozha, remember about “don’t read Soviet newspapers before lunch.”

              What makes you watch TV?

              While it's still autumn, you can admire it.

              1. +5
                22 October 2023 16: 33
                Oh, Sergey. belay The post is almost on the verge! To suggest to our respected Phil, a fanatical adherent of the Soviet hockey school, not to get excited and admire the red maple leaves is a clear oxymoron, they act on him like a red rag on a bull smile
                1. +4
                  22 October 2023 17: 41
                  This is a Japanese maple. The sugar maple that is stylized on the Canadian flag looks different.
                  1. +4
                    22 October 2023 21: 18
                    This is a Japanese maple.
                    Absolutely right. I think it's called momito in Japanese.
                    1. +1
                      22 October 2023 22: 30
                      I think it's called momito in Japanese.

                      "Hauchiwa-kaede" in Japanese. Meanwhile, it is one of the dendrological symbols of Japan, along with sakura and peonies.
                      1. +2
                        23 October 2023 07: 47
                        "Hauchiwa-kaede" in Japanese. Meanwhile, it is one of the dendrological symbols of Japan, along with sakura and peonies.
                        May be. I remembered that “momito” looks different.
                        The chrysanthemum is also a symbol of Japan.
                2. +4
                  22 October 2023 17: 51
                  Hmmm... So the person who posted Esposito on his avatar will be unpleasant to see the symbol of Canada?
                  Cognitive dissonance, however...
            2. -7
              22 October 2023 09: 01
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              I'm afraid this is no longer quite...normal

              And these people fap on Stalin... GYYY laughing laughing laughing

              Under Joseph Vissarionovich they would have done the same to you... although no - you would have pressed your tongues and silently approved, everything, from start to finish. But now they’ve gone wild, because they (sort of) allow you to do this with impunity. Naive request

              Comrade, believe - she will pass,
              The so-called publicity,
              And then state security,
              Will remember our your names
              1. +3
                22 October 2023 09: 55
                Quote: Repellent
                fap on Stalin... GYYY

                *I recognize, I recognize brother Kolya!*
                Still the same cheerful, ironic, sometimes boorish, but always confident in his own rightness Roman!
                What exactly is wrong?
                There are real deeds behind Joseph Vissarionovich. Good, good, and not so good ones also have a place to be. And remind me, buddy / for old time’s sake, *you*, nothing? Don’t mind? / the deeds of the present, worthy of talking about them in detail .
                Quote: Repellent
                Comrade, believe - she will pass,
                The so-called publicity,
                And then state security,
                Will remember our names

                But this is unlikely. If just *for show*.
                Quote: Repellent
                Under Joseph Vissarionovich they would have done the same to you... although no - you would have pressed your tongues and silently approved, everything, from start to finish.

                Such a thought does not occur to a smart mind, what happened, what to approve *from and to*, no?
                PS I’ll say right away that *-* is not mine.
                1. -5
                  22 October 2023 10: 14
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  Such a thought does not occur to a smart mind, what happened, what to approve *from and to*, no?

                  Nice twist. We thought about it for a long time, and all the kahal. But they thought badly, in fact.

                  Firstly, the answer has distorted the question. It was "would approve" all from and to". The key thing is all. The answer is "there was something approve from start to finish." They shuddered slightly. Well, oh well for now. Let's say, inadvertently, they did answer the original question. Then like this:

                  My friend, a general quantifier in a statement is a very bad thing. Because just one example is enough to refute this statement.

                  An example of what you would not approve of that was done under Stalin - will you come up with it yourself, or will it be customized for you? I have them Yes

                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  And remind me... the deeds of the present are worthy of talking about them seriously

                  If you don’t understand it yourself, I can’t explain it to you. You need to teach people like you while you can fit across the bench, and you are already very tall.
                  1. +3
                    22 October 2023 10: 39
                    Quote: Repellent
                    If you don’t understand it yourself, I can’t explain it to you.

                    Not surprised. Lovko deftly distorted everything and avoided answering.
                    Quote: Repellent
                    How are you,

                    I still hope for a concrete example. Is there one? laughing
                    1. -5
                      22 October 2023 10: 44
                      Quote: ArchiPhil
                      Quote: Repellent
                      If you don’t understand it yourself, I can’t explain it to you.

                      Not surprised. Deftly distorted everything and avoided answering

                      He winced - this is not for me, buddy. I just don’t want to start a flame in this case, because your breed is basically untrainable, and convincing you of anything is not just useless, but harmful.

                      Quote: ArchiPhil
                      I still hope for a concrete example. Is there one?

                      Well, a couple for starters:

                      - Do you approve of the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior?
                      - Rzhev operation of 1942 - do you approve?

                      Come on, get out Yes
                      1. +3
                        22 October 2023 21: 26
                        Well, a couple for starters:

                        - Do you approve of the explosion of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior?
                        - Rzhev operation of 1942 - do you approve?
                        Of course, they didn’t ask me, but I didn’t see the answer, so I’m expressing my opinion. I fully approve of the explosion of the KhHS, because the maintenance of such a structure costs a huge sum. Just don’t talk about “voluntary donations” for it at Kolya No. 2. Then the church was on the state budget. But in the USSR there was no money for it.
                        Regarding the Rzhev operation - what, the Germans at that time were already no warriors? The cessation of this operation allowed them to withdraw troops to relieve Paulus, who was surrounded in Stalingrad. That's why the operation was carried out. hi
                      2. -4
                        24 October 2023 08: 28
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        I fully approve of the explosion of the KhHS, because the maintenance of such a structure costs a huge sum

                        Exactly. According to this logic, there was a lot more that needed to be blown up. Well, St. Basil's, for example Yes

                        Quote: Aviator_
                        But in the USSR there was no money for it

                        No one demanded it - the church at the time of the explosion of the Temple was long and firmly separated from the state.

                        Quote: Aviator_
                        That's why the operation was carried out

                        The question is not why it was carried out. The question is how it was carried out. You are our demagogue, half-baked.

                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Of course, they didn’t ask me

                        That's the only thing you said correctly. Everything else is gone... but the opponent has merged, yes. As expected, however.
                  2. +2
                    22 October 2023 11: 32
                    a general quantifier in a statement is a very bad thing. Because just one example is enough to refute this statement.

                    Bravo, Roman! )))
                    You're right. I laughed for a long time. What will happen if the quantifier of generality is applied to the concept of the current “good king” in comparison with the one mentioned? And weigh each one in your palms? By placing ruined and unborn lives on them. And also a powerful tendency towards the creation of industry alone and the same thing - to curtail one’s own industry. production by others - what will outweigh? Especially if you add sewing needles, which were recently banned from importing from Finland, as the “last straw”? )))
                    1. +2
                      22 October 2023 11: 41
                      Quote: depressant
                      What happens if the quantifier of generality is applied to the concept of the current “good king”

                      Ummm... from you, for now - confirmation from your yesterday:

                      Quote: depressant
                      An agreement was signed between Russia and China to lease vast lands in Eastern Siberia and the Far East to China for 49 years. How many people know that these lands are comparable in area to the area of ​​Ukraine? At the same time, it is assumed that there will be Chinese administrations...

                      Source, please. I'm looking forward to it Yes
                      1. 0
                        22 October 2023 12: 43

                        Source, please.


                        Yes please!
                        The sources are open, no one is hiding anything - for the past years. In 2016, 115 thousand hectares of the Siberian taiga were leased to China, and deforestation began across the area, removing not only logs, but also branches, stumps and fertile soil removed by excavator.
                        By 2019, the area of ​​land leased by China magically turned into 315 thousand hectares, and an article appeared on VO, in particular, on the forum it was said that the Chinese deliberately set fire to forests along roads in non-leased areas, since the slightly burnt trunks are still ours business executives order it to be cut down, and since we do not have a sufficient quantity of wood processing industry, and in China it is strong and charred wood is especially valued by furniture makers, although it is cheap, then why not sell it at least for cheap. Moreover, near some Siberian town, its administration was caught setting fire to the taiga. And the forum members were particularly outraged by the fact that the Chinese were pumping Baikal water into bottles on an industrial scale to sell it in Germany.
                        But time passed, and in order to extinguish the scandals associated with the predation of the Chinese, several priority development areas were first announced in the territory of Eastern Siberia and the Far East - territories of rapid development, where the Chinese settled to extract natural resources, forest resources and grow vegetables using means destroying the soil. After some time, biased bloggers discovered that the ASEZs were multiplying, their number exceeded several hundred without publicly announcing the fact of the disaster, but photographs from space were published and showed huge deforested areas in the Siberian taiga. And we were already talking about millions of hectares, with the official intention to hand over only one million to the Chinese for 49 years (at first they were talking about 99 years, but the public found out and was indignant).
                        At the same time, the Chinese believe that this is their ancestral land, and Russia came there illegally...
                        Roman, I don’t want to talk about it! Everything has long been worn out on VO, in some third-party blogs, it has become a commonplace, and you are asking me to prove this commonplace using links. Just type in Yandex “Leasing Siberian lands to the Chinese.” But I warn you right away that you will not find the latest official data there, they are closed, look for it in specialized resources. And the announced transfer of the islands of Tarabarov and Bolshoy Ussuriysky (now completely) to China does not convince you of anything? And how much have we here at VO discussed about demarcation and delimitation not only regarding the islands in the Sea of ​​Japan, but also, in particular, with China...
                        And don’t you really know that on our leased lands the Chinese cut off the paws of Far Eastern tigers for medicinal purposes? How was ginseng exterminated on a massive scale? Tigers and plants had to be placed under enhanced state protection, and the tiger generally became a special concern of the president.
                        I won’t tell you anything more, find out for yourself.
                      2. +1
                        22 October 2023 13: 19
                        Quote: depressant
                        I won't tell you anything more

                        And you haven't said anything yet. If you peel back the husks, you offered the following as evidence:

                        Quote: depressant
                        ... an article appeared on VO, in particular, on the forum it was said that... biased bloggers discovered... Everything has long been erased on VO, in some third-party blogs...

                        Somehow it’s not enough for an evidence base, don’t you think? feel

                        One more time:

                        Quote: depressant
                        agreement signed between Russia and China for the transfer of vast lands in Eastern Siberia and the Far East to lease to China for 49 years

                        This is a direct statement, yours. I ask for a link where you can see this agreement. No more. You definitely saw it, otherwise you wouldn’t have written this, right? wink

                        Quote: depressant
                        It is allowed that there will be Chinese administrations there...

                        This is another statement. Yours. Very spicy, by the way. Confirm it with a link to the document, please.

                        In general, the tactic of “throwing stones at the bushes” to distract the opponent’s attention is a typical troll tactic... I didn’t expect it from you, I must admit request
                      3. +4
                        22 October 2023 15: 13
                        I’ve also been waiting for information from Depressant since the summer. I understand that without a bell it’s not easy to notice the question...

                        Quote: Motorist
                        Quote: depressant
                        Under this law, none of the current 18-year-olds will have pensions.

                        Would you mind citing an excerpt from the law with such or similar text?
                      4. +2
                        22 October 2023 16: 33
                        Quote: Motorist
                        I understand that without a bell it’s not easy to notice the question...

                        Especially when there is no great desire to be responsible for the market Yes
                      5. +6
                        22 October 2023 16: 49
                        I'm really wang. I can write a script. “30 years later. “Society of Anonymous Pensioners.” The first participant stands up: “I’m 48 years old and I won’t have a pension.”...
                      6. +4
                        22 October 2023 15: 20
                        115 thousand hectares of Siberian taiga, and
                        magically 315 thousand hectares,
                        ,,if so, it’s absolutely minuscule.
                        The area of ​​Moscow is 256 hectares, for comparison.
                        ,,,every year, only legally, about 1 million ha the woods.
                      7. +4
                        22 October 2023 17: 12
                        I won’t tell you anything more, find out for yourself.
                        The word of the partisan!
                      8. +7
                        22 October 2023 17: 26
                        Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! You are once again “sweeping a blizzard” “not for the sake of truth, but for hype.” Sorry for being frank.
                  3. +4
                    22 October 2023 21: 41
                    Hey. hi
                    And why are you attached? It's not all good again, thank God?
                    You need to teach people like you while you can fit across the bench, and you are already very tall.

                    You start to be rude only when you try to take revenge on other people for your failed life, but in vain, Seryozhka, for example, is raising grandchildren, and do you have anything besides a dog?
                    I wanted to write to you in a personal message, but access to you is blocked, so, sorry, I’m writing here.
                    Yes, and Seryozha, unlike you, is a happy person. Don't be offended - it's true. hi
                    1. -3
                      22 October 2023 22: 10
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      trying to take revenge on other people for your failed life

                      Very funny so far. What else do you know about my life? wink

                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Do you have anything besides a dog?

                      The dog died, due to age, cremated and scattered to the wind. He wanted it that way request

                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      and Seryozha, unlike you, he’s a happy person

                      I'm glad for Seryozha. I also feel pretty good, but, unlike you and Seryozha, I don’t drink, and I don’t go to the site like a loaf.

                      In short: is there anything else in the case? If not, I return the feed:

                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      what are you attached to? It's not all good again, thank God?
                      1. +3
                        22 October 2023 22: 51
                        To be honest, I feel very sorry for the dog. And I don’t know anything about your life, but judging by the poison emanating from you, I assume that your life is not very good.
                        I'm not being angry, I'm not very angry myself. You just need to take care of people who don’t wish you harm.
                      2. -3
                        22 October 2023 22: 59
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I don’t know anything about your life, but judging by the poison emanating from you, I assume that your life is not very good.

                        Average. It could be better, it could be worse. 60+ years old with all the, ahem, consequences - but, finally, a good - interesting and normally paid - job. Well, and a lot of other things.

                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I'm not being angry, I'm not very angry myself. You just need to take care of people who don’t wish you harm

                        Experience has shown that you and I are not very similar. I offer neutrality, I will not offend you first. And our picks with “Phil” are our picks with Phil, mental gymnastics, in their own way. No more.

                        That's something like request Yes
                      3. +2
                        22 October 2023 23: 14
                        I agree, in general, I haven’t “hooked” you for a long time; I don’t like simplicity and outright anger, and you, unfortunately, have it in abundance.
                        You can argue with people, scold them, but you shouldn’t mock them.
                        Romka, you are angry, and angry at the whole world, I don’t envy you.

                        My dog ​​died ten years ago, a Frenchman, nicknamed Rogue.(((
                    2. +3
                      23 October 2023 08: 26
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Yes, and Seryozha, unlike you, is a happy person. Don't be offended - it's true.

                      Konstantin, friend!
                      Thank you for your words of support, but? Was it worth it? You were *banned* again. Sometimes you should just? Yes, just not answer.
                      And yet...Thank you, buddy! hi hi hi
                      1. -3
                        24 October 2023 08: 23
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        You've been *banned* again. Sometimes you should just? Yes, just don't answer

                        Well, you and kyu. This is called "going to the door." To me, in this case.

                        Should I demand satisfaction from you, or what? But we can’t take anything from you... which is a pity. Piggy Yes laughing
          2. +5
            22 October 2023 11: 50
            that the king is played by his retinue has not been canceled.
            A good king and a bad retinue? If the king changes his retinue, a lot will change? Doesn’t it bother you that the king is the protege of the retinue and expresses its interests?
            1. +5
              22 October 2023 14: 59
              Of course not. How much has already formally changed. How they take out a new deck.

              I’m not sure that anyone knows what will change significantly and when. And in which direction?
              1. +7
                22 October 2023 16: 49
                Sergey, did I understand correctly that it doesn’t bother you that the king is a protege of his retinue and expresses its interests?
                You know, about the king and his retinue, it is well shown in the Soviet children's film, I emphasize in the children's film, "The Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors", the episode where Nushrok explains to King Yagopop 77 who he really is and what his role is. What he should to do and what not to do.
                1. +3
                  22 October 2023 17: 35
                  Alexey, I agree. The film is very revealing.

                  I fully admit that the decision-making center does not shine at all.

                  But these are just assumptions. Not more.
                  1. +5
                    22 October 2023 18: 33
                    The assumption that the king is a protege of his retinue and expresses its interests? And not reality? Well, quite fresh, the king turned to his retinue to lower oil prices, so that gasoline would become cheaper, the retinue showed the king his place. She said, don’t interfere. The king replied, sorry guys, I got excited. laughing So who is in charge? And who represents whose interests.
                    1. +2
                      22 October 2023 20: 18
                      Alexey, we're talking about the same thing.

                      The beaten Wolf sat under a tree and thought about whose cones were in the forest?
                2. -1
                  22 October 2023 21: 24
                  Quote: parusnik
                  Sergey, did I understand correctly that it doesn’t bother you that the king is a protege of his retinue and expresses its interests?

                  The IVS first shot his entire retinue of “loyal Leninists” - and then died at the hands of “loyal Stalinists.”
                  Nothing new...
                  from the sea of ​​ministers of the 1990s - only one remains in power
        2. +4
          22 October 2023 08: 40
          Faith in a good king and bad boyars is truly ineradicable in holy Rus'.
          These are spiritual bonds. laughing
  15. +7
    22 October 2023 09: 18
    Thank you, Valery, for the poignant article. hi
    From the heroes of bygone days
    Sometimes there are no names left.
    Those who have taken mortal combat
    They became just earth and grass...
    Only their terrible valor
    Settled in the hearts of the living.
    This eternal flame bequeathed to us alone
    We keep in our chest ...

    For all time.
  16. +3
    22 October 2023 09: 29
    And the enemies of the USSR, who captured the USSR, have their own heroes in the history of our country and people - anti-Soviet and Russophobic.
  17. +8
    22 October 2023 10: 27
    In 1926, construction of a new plant began on the site of this cemetery.
    ,,,now the factory is no longer there, in its place is a shopping center.
    1. -1
      22 October 2023 21: 27
      Quote: bubalik
      In 1926, construction of a new plant began on the site of this cemetery.
      ,,,now the factory is no longer there, in its place is a shopping center.

      No, well, a plant in a cemetery is certainly more pretentious than a shopping center....
  18. +2
    22 October 2023 10: 54
    Currently, the monument to Shchors in Kyiv looks like this:

    The whole of Ukraine looks like this - a yellow-blue, glass sarcophagus, where there is a horse, but no people.
  19. +2
    22 October 2023 13: 19
    I still remember “Zarnitsa” in the mid-80s. “Song about Shchors” was a drill song for our detachment.
  20. Eug
    +2
    22 October 2023 14: 12
    There was a Tarashchansky regiment in Shchors' division, commanded by Father Bozhenko, also a “people's” commander, but very different from Shchors. In Kharkov, I don’t remember any kind of perpetuation of the memory of Shchors, but there was Ivan Dubovoy Lane, I don’t know now, maybe it was renamed. In general, the death of a division commander without a thorough investigation is already alarming, and even if a rifle (machine-gun) bullet hit the head, only porridge or the lower part of the head could be left... as for me, he fell victim to competitors, most likely, interests coincided, that’s why there was no investigation... eternal memory, one of the few whose memory could not be denigrated....
  21. +4
    22 October 2023 14: 56
    "Whose lads will you be?" - the author of the lyrics asked insightfully 80 years ago...
    Shchors was lucky, a film was made about him in those epic times when every movie was a cultural and religious event. And a successful melodious song was written, which is easy to remember and easily performed even by people whom you would not suspect of having an ear for music.
    The film, however, did not block the popularity of the film "Chapaev" and did not give rise to jokes (there are only three of them: about Chapaev, about Rzhevskogr and about Stirlitz - these are separate phenomena of popular consciousness).
    But the song is perhaps more famous than “Walking in the Urals...”, although Shchors was there in the position of “Regiment Commander”, in which he was not for long, and yet there were still two more steps up, he died as a division commander, just like Chapaev.
    1. +2
      22 October 2023 17: 05
      The film, however, did not block the popularity of the film "Chapaev"
      A three-part film has been shot about Sergei Lazo.
      1. VLR
        +5
        22 October 2023 17: 26
        This is for “Moldova-film” - two: in 1967, the classic Soviet “Sergei Lazo”; in 1985 - three-part "The Life and Immortality of Sergei Lazo."
        There will be an article about him later, but a little later.
        And the closest one, by the way, is this:
        Battle of Jutland. The largest and most ambitious naval battle of World War I
        I posted it today.
        1. +3
          22 October 2023 17: 41
          There will be an article about him later, but a little later.
          Well, as I expected a little earlier, the cycle about the forgotten heroes of the Civil War will continue.
          Thank you, Valery!
      2. +1
        22 October 2023 21: 33
        A three-part film has been shot about Sergei Lazo.
        It is, of course. yes, but the time was different, the end of the 60s. There are other examples where a film is made later than its time, for example, the 1967 film Andromeda, which went virtually unnoticed in the late 60s, but in the early 60s or late 50s it would have been a great success.
        1. +2
          22 October 2023 21: 54
          Agree. There is a certain “social order”.
  22. +2
    22 October 2023 17: 02
    In general, there were all the prerequisites for Nikolai Shchors to become one of the best commanders of the young Soviet state.
    belay I don’t mind, but still, division commander to commander is “a huge distance” feel
    1. +2
      22 October 2023 17: 30
      So we are apparently talking about untapped potential. He had the makings, he could have fought together with Rokosovsky and Zhukov.
      1. +2
        22 October 2023 17: 45
        I believe that with a 75% probability I would have ended my life at the Butovo training ground, like Dubovoy.
      2. -1
        25 October 2023 12: 12
        Quote: vet
        So we are apparently talking about untapped potential. He had the makings, he could have fought together with Rokosovsky and Zhukov.

        Of the bunch of heroes of the civil war, not one demonstrated their potential as a commander.....
        Budyonny was able as an organizer of cavalry in new conditions, but no more..
    2. 0
      5 November 2023 23: 20
      Maybe, but somehow the generals in the white army lost to the cornet non-commissioned officers and warrant officers of the guards
  23. +6
    22 October 2023 17: 43
    I was pleased with the last photo: the Ukrainians are covering the monument with a lively black flag, our would-be activists are covering the mausoleum with the Russian tricolor - the colors are different, but the essence is the same.
  24. +2
    23 October 2023 08: 52
    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
    Quote from Korsar4
    Interestingly

    And how can all this fit into the new, emerging ideology, which is now dominated by I.A. Ilyin?

    Form and content, you can wrap a red rag around anything, but people with clip-based thinking can be sold anything, even contradictory ideas - this is how deep people are born
  25. -1
    23 October 2023 23: 31
    Shchors is a simplified version of the Civil War hero (the more faded Chapaev), made in the 30s especially for Ukraine.

    His deep inferiority to Chapaev is clearly visible in the fact that there are practically no anecdotes about him.
  26. 0
    25 October 2023 15: 33
    In February 1918, under an agreement with the Central Rada, German and Austrian troops entered the territory of Ukraine.

    The author missed something
    On January 28 (February 10), Trotsky handed over to the delegates of the Central Powers a written statement signed by all members of the Soviet delegation; he also verbally rejected the German peace terms and made a statement that[109]:

    We are leaving the war. We inform all peoples and their governments about this. We give the order for the complete demobilization of our armies... At the same time, we declare that the conditions offered to us by the governments of Germany and Austria-Hungary are fundamentally contrary to the interests of all peoples.

    The German side stated in response that Russia’s failure to sign a peace treaty would automatically entail the termination of the truce. After this, the Soviet delegation defiantly left the meeting, citing the need to return to Petrograd to receive additional instructions[110][111]. On the same day, Trotsky sent a telegram to commander-in-chief Krylenko, in which he demanded to immediately issue an order to the active army to end the state of war with the powers of the German bloc and to demobilize the army; Krylenko issued this order the next morning[k 7]... On February 16, the German command officially announced to the Soviet representative remaining in Brest-Litovsk that the state of war was resuming between Russia and Germany. ... having launched an offensive along the entire front from the Baltic Sea to the Carpathians with the forces of 47 infantry and 5 cavalry divisions, German troops quickly moved forward and by the evening a detachment of less than 100 bayonets captured Dvinsk, where at that moment the headquarters of the 5th Army was located Northern Front (see Operation Faustschlag)[120]. Units of the old army went to the rear, abandoning or taking away military equipment, and the Red Guard detachments formed by the Bolsheviks did not offer serious resistance [121] [122]... On February 19, Lutsk and Rivne were occupied, on February 21 - Minsk and Novograd-Volynsky , February 24 - Zhytomyr...

    German troops ended up in Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic states not at all according to an agreement with the Central Rada.
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    5 November 2023 23: 18
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