A little about the speed of advance of the Russian army. To take or not to take Avdiivka at any cost

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A little about the speed of advance of the Russian army. To take or not to take Avdiivka at any cost

Feedback from readers allows you not only to know the assessment of your own work, but also almost always raises questions that require answers. I already wrote about this in my materials. Today readers are most interested in Avdeevka. Interesting, so to speak, from a practical point of view. When will we finally take this fortification? When will the Ukrainian Armed Forces lose the opportunity to terrorize Donetsk with impunity?

At the same time, many simply do not take into account the fact that today almost the same units that were actively defending in the spring and summer are attacking north and south of this fortified area. Our army has so far hardly used its strategic reserves. That is, now there is actually the same war that was waged all the past months, when the Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to conduct their “counter-offensive.”



Our Supreme Commander in his recent interview stated that the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ counter-offensive failed, but they continue to prepare an offensive in some sectors of the front. And there were also words that the Russian troops were not only confidently defending themselves, but also improving their position, occupying more advantageous positions.

Let me add some information to the president’s statement. It became clear to the Americans that the counteroffensive had failed at about the same time that we realized it. That is why, taking into account the current realities, the Pentagon developed a plan for a “new type of war,” or more precisely, a war of attrition for Russia. More on this below.

But now Kyiv and the Pentagon are waiting for the autumn thaw, which will stop active hostilities and help the Ukrainian Armed Forces pin down tank units of the Russian army. And the West will begin active supplies of air defense systems and the formation of new Air Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Thus, the Americans plan to form formations for a new counter-offensive by spring and make up for the losses of existing formations, and advance with the support aviation and active opposition to our aerospace forces.

War of attrition for Russia


Let's return to the war of attrition plan.

For some reason, in some articles and comments I often come across offensive statements. We are stronger than everyone and therefore “Forward attack!” As if we are really only at war with Ukraine. The valor of the army must be supported by the strength of the economy. And the Western economy is not nearly as weak as we would like.

The elements of this war are already visible quite easily. In addition to the formation of new formations and supplies of air defense systems, it seems to me that a decision will be made on the supply of aircraft to Ukraine already in November. Let's leave the tales that there are no planes and never will be for children. There are planes. And they are in countries that even NATO does not take seriously.

So whether they have aviation or not is not particularly important for the alliance. According to some analysts, the bloc will be able to supply up to 100 or even 150 fighters and fighter-bombers without compromising its own defense capabilities. And it doesn’t matter whether these are only American aircraft or aircraft produced in other countries, but unified for NATO weapons.

Next.

Many people have probably noticed how the Crimean direction has become more active. Incursions by saboteurs, attacks on ships, sea and air drones etc. It is clear that all this cannot be called attempts to seize the peninsula. Then what is it? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that the goal of all these attacks and attacks should be considered to be the destabilization of Crimean society. Transformation of the region into a full-fledged front section.

Just yesterday another point was confirmed, the existence of which I was not sure. Information has emerged that medium-range missiles have been delivered to Ukraine from the United States. Delivered secretly. Well, the Americans did not become original in this. Everything is according to a proven scheme. First deliveries, then a statement of the decision to allow these deliveries.

And this suggests that Washington agreed with Kyiv’s proposal to expand the Northeast Military District zone at the expense of the border regions of Russia and, possibly, Belarus. But this is in case of a decision to expand the scale of the war at the expense of Poland. This is an unpleasant fact, forcing us to increase the number of troops in these regions or switch to war tactics “a la Israel.”

Well, one more thing.

The West does not yet know how to solve the problem of the lack of tanks in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Moreover, even if a political decision is made, it is quite difficult to physically deliver tanks to Ukraine. That is why, at least for the winter campaign, it was decided to transfer the war to the format of “maintaining databases in small groups”, which is what it looks like in practice - we have been seeing it for many months now.

The only thing that confuses me is the events in Israel.

It is quite possible that American tanks will “be found” there. They will be delivered to help Israel, and then, as has happened more than once, they will be abandoned for “economic reasons,” and will be transferred from the Jewish state to Kiev “as unnecessary.” But for this it is necessary to end the war between Israel and Palestine.

Delusions of grandeur or loss of political orientation


Analyzing the situation in the Northern Military District zone, it is impossible not to touch upon foreign policy issues. Only the lazy did not write about the fact that Kyiv is not independent in its decisions. This fact no longer comes as a surprise even to Ukrainians. They have long ago, even without publicly declaring it, agreed that they are not capable of creating an effective state on their own.

Naturally, the Ukrainian government decided that the “foremen” from Washington are the best builders of new states. On the basis of what facts this decision was made, no one knows to this day. Dollars still solve many issues, it seems to me. Especially if they migrate to the right wallets or to the right bank accounts.

Recently, a presidential candidate of a major power with the call sign “Beadon” made an important statement. He considers his main task after his election to be the fight against Putin. Not stabilizing the situation within the country, not boosting the economy, not resolving international conflicts, but fighting a specific person.

Considering that Mr. candidate with the call sign “Beadon” and the current US President Biden are very similar to each other, practically the same person, it becomes clear why the wars do not stop. Why are Americans increasingly talking about the falling standard of living in the United States? The main goal is Putin!

The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal. Even today, after it is no longer possible to hide failures in foreign policy, they continue to believe in their strength and our weakness.

Speed ​​of action is important... for diarrhea


While I was working on this material, what I predicted above happened. The Americans have supplied missiles capable of hitting targets far enough from the LBS. Moreover, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already carried out the first shelling in the Kherson region. That is, Washington’s strategic plan began to be implemented.

I have already written that the army, with all the understanding of this problem, is a structure of limited mobility in strategic terms. Like a rhinoceros. Once the movement has started, it is very difficult to stop it. The complexity of the army mechanism does not provide for speed in the implementation of strategic decisions.

The fighting continues. From time to time the battles are very tough. At the same time, no matter how paradoxical it may sound, the situation of the spring offensive remains. The Ukrainian Armed Forces attack more often than the Russians, while the Russian army improves its position due to the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. I would call what is happening today at the LBS “memories of the future” for our army.

Units that work well in defense slowly learn to attack. They “remember” offensive tactics. I understand that now there will be “heroes” who will demand an immediate attack and are ready to go in the forefront of the attack. And even be the first to die. “We want to drive the fascists away from our cities and towns, even at the cost of our lives!”

Who gave you this price? How many lives is Avdiivka “worth”? How many lives are other Ukrainian cities worth? We criticized our officers and generals a lot for the losses in the first months of the war. Some even called for mass removal and punishment of commanders for losses. Now our calls have been completely reversed? Take it at any cost?..

The plan that I wrote about above, I repeat, has begun to be implemented. Forcing our advance will increase our losses. Consequently, in order to capture some bridgehead or city, we will bleed the advancing units. And we will be forced to go on the defensive. Which, in principle, is what Western strategists are trying to achieve.

Their logic is this: it’s winter, the Russians are resting on the defensive after the offensive, and we (the West) are pumping new equipment, aircraft, and ammunition into the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We (the West) are preparing Ukraine for a new round of “counter-offensive”. Europe is already producing up to 300 thousand shells. This will be enough for the Armed Forces of Ukraine for six months of war...

This is a completely logical conclusion. We must attack wisely. The Ukrainian army must be forced not to create arsenals and prepare reserves, but to waste weapons and personnel in crazy attacks on foot.

I won’t draw any conclusions today. Simply because I know my readers are competent enough to decide for themselves what needs to be done.
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  1. +17
    22 October 2023 04: 39
    I agree with the conclusions of the article. You should not go on the offensive like a cavalry lava against machine guns. Nevertheless, we should not forget about the shelling of our territories.
    I won’t be original: it is necessary to constantly and methodically destroy both enemy reserves approaching the database zone and the infrastructure that allows NATO countries to supply equipment to the enemy. Namely, bridges, roads, ports deep in the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces must constantly experience shell and missile hunger.
    1. +15
      22 October 2023 07: 54
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      I agree with the conclusions of the article. You should not go on the offensive like a cavalry lava against machine guns. Nevertheless, we should not forget about the shelling of our territories.
      I won’t be original: it is necessary to constantly and methodically destroy both enemy reserves approaching the database zone and the infrastructure that allows NATO countries to supply equipment to the enemy. Namely, bridges, roads, ports deep in the territory of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Armed Forces must constantly experience shell and missile hunger.

      So these theses work in both directions. The enemy is also hitting the rear infrastructure and logistics. Moreover, if at the beginning of the SVO the enemy only had Tochka-U among the “long-range” weapons, now there are ATAKMS and Shadow Storm and HARM. What tomorrow they will give you a lift - only God knows. The Russian Federation's monopoly on the use of long-range systems has ended. The only good news is that for now the West prohibits the use of all this happiness on the territory of the “old” regions of Russia, which allows air defense efforts to be concentrated on protecting the “new” regions, although this is sometimes not enough.
      1. +6
        22 October 2023 09: 38
        Ours retreated near Avdeevka. The Eurofascists brought reserves into the battle. Our losses are like at Ugledar. It was not possible to close the boiler this time. So we won’t take Avdeevka any time soon. And not this year. We need to remotely mine the only road, then there will be a chance.
        In the Kherson direction, the Nazis captured two bridgeheads and four settlements on the left bank of the Dnieper. Now we need to grind them into a meat grinder and throw them into the water.
        In general, there is no change on the Western Front. Positional battles are underway.
        What to do next? The Palestinian front greatly distracted the Eurofascists from Ukraine. American bases were attacked in Iraq. The Houthis fired on the American fleet.
        The more attacks there are on Americans in other theaters of war, the easier it will be for us in Ukraine, and the closer we are all to the Third World War.
        1. -5
          22 October 2023 09: 56
          Quote: Bearded
          Ours rolled back near Avdeevka

          Please indicate the source of information.
          1. +12
            22 October 2023 10: 44
            Take my word for it, you don’t spoil us with “sources” either.
            1. -24
              22 October 2023 10: 59
              Quote from AdAstra
              Take my word for it, you don’t spoil us with “sources” either.

              Disappear. By the way, I try to substantiate my statements whenever possible.

              Cadastre tongue laughing
          2. -4
            22 October 2023 11: 54
            Quote: Repellent
            Quote: Bearded
            Ours rolled back near Avdeevka

            Please indicate the source of information.

            Check out Sanya's Telegram channel in Florida.
            1. -12
              22 October 2023 12: 09
              Quote: Bearded
              Check out Sanya's Telegram channel in Florida

              Is this a trustworthy source? Or another fence with inscriptions?
              1. +19
                22 October 2023 12: 30
                Quote: Repellent
                Quote: Bearded
                Check out Sanya's Telegram channel in Florida

                Is this a trustworthy source? Or another fence with inscriptions?

                What are your sources? Konashenkov?
                1. -15
                  22 October 2023 12: 51
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Is this a trustworthy source? Or another fence with inscriptions?

                  What are your sources? Konashenkov?

                  My friend, they answer a question with a question when there is nothing relevant to say. Do you really have nothing? Then I will say:

                  - your “Motya from Florida” - a fence on which it is written... well, you understand, I guess
                  - dragging unsubstantiated rumors here is not good. Least.

                  Thanks for the pleasant communication Yes
                  1. +13
                    23 October 2023 04: 56
                    Quote: Repellent
                    - your “Motya from Florida” - a fence on which it is written...

                    He points to his sources and confirms them with video materials. And I heard with my own ears what he showed from the center of Donetsk. The attempt to further advance failed, our column was routed, and a whole bunch of fighters were killed. The drone was hanging over the column, and it was bombarded with cluster shells, the submunitions of which have a cumulative crater - for use against such targets, these ammunition turned out to be very effective. As well as for the needs of counter-battery warfare. I'm very sorry for the guys, my fellow countryman died in this direction a few days ago.
                    And the bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnieper has not been eliminated; moreover, it has been expanded and it seems that a second one has appeared and can develop. And it was known that the enemy was concentrating considerable forces there, but they decided that this was simply to divert our reserves. Now they have caught on to populated areas and will have to demolish them with artillery to zero. Equipment (tanks, infantry fighting vehicles) cannot approach there - our low and flat bank is completely visible from the high right bank and is shot through by artillery and anti-tank systems. And driving infantry into buildings where there are already plenty of enemy infantry is utter nonsense. So you’ll have to demolish everything with artillery and run into counter-battery fighting from the enemy, whose weapon hits further. So this is already a problem. But there are still no sanctions on cluster munitions (of which we have had plenty since Soviet times). Although it is precisely with such ammunition that attempts to create such bridgeheads can be stopped.
                    So Sanya is not lying, and is very conscientious about checking and submitting information. He simply talks about what both Konashenko and the military correspondents are silent about. And he cross-checks the geolocation of all events from several sources at once.
                    And you don’t confirm your stream of consciousness with anything.
                    In addition, he is my fellow countryman at the place of birth.
                2. +8
                  22 October 2023 17: 28
                  What are your sources? Konashenkov?

                  Eeeee! Don't touch Konashenkov.
                  He single-handedly, with the power of thought, destroyed a thousand planes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Ten thousand armored personnel carriers and other nonsense equipment.

                  Konashenkov type
                  1. -15
                    22 October 2023 19: 42
                    Eeeee! Don't touch Konashenkov.
                    He single-handedly, with the power of thought, destroyed a thousand planes and helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Ten thousand armored personnel carriers and other nonsense equipment.

                    Konashenkov type


                    Well, someone should do it. Since you are not capable of anything.

                    Ramin type.
                  2. -4
                    23 October 2023 11: 21
                    Gene. Konashenkov has an excellent professional education, a clear head and a REAL glorious military path; he did not receive his “iconostasis” in Moscow offices, unlike many here who slap the keys while sitting on the sofa. He voices, having received such a task from his command, exactly what is allowed to him and prescribed by the relevant orders, verified by the relevant authorities. What questions might you have for him personally? By the way, in addition to the 10 minutes on the screen, which is his “social” workload, he has a huge amount of “profile” work.
                    1. +10
                      23 October 2023 11: 39
                      and the REAL glorious military path, I did not receive my “iconostasis” in Moscow offices,

                      Would you mind sharing the details? Really interesting about him glorious battle path.
                      1. 0
                        26 October 2023 11: 29
                        Quote: Ryazanets87
                        Would you mind sharing the details?

                        Should he offer a minute of silence in every report? Do you think he doesn't understand everything? he needs a picture on the screen on a national scale so that everything is as bravura as a military march. To maintain morale
              2. +15
                22 October 2023 15: 53
                It shows the current situation quite independently. Geomaterial is attached.
                1. -19
                  22 October 2023 16: 44
                  Quote: Jackson
                  It shows the current situation quite independently

                  I didn't think so. All markers are different in taste and color.

                  Quote: Jackson
                  Geomaterial is attached

                  Oh really? belay


                  Just fyi
                  1. +7
                    23 October 2023 04: 59
                    Quote: Repellent
                    Oh really?

                    Again an empty stream of consciousness.
                    1. -5
                      23 October 2023 20: 50
                      Quote: bayard
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Oh really?

                      Again an empty stream of consciousness.

                      Oh really? Attempt two, maybe it will finally work:


                      For those who fall for “holy geodata”: they can be changed arbitrarily and easily Yes laughing
        2. -11
          22 October 2023 10: 22
          1,5 years ago, the naive Pushilin and Miroshnik set a goal - to move the front away from the capitals of the LDPR and go to Palograd (?). Clear Donetsk and Lugansk to the region.
          And about “exclude artillery shelling. They can’t be shot down like missiles,” it was necessary to be at least 30 km from Donetsk. Did not do.
          And even up to the Urals you can actively counterattack.

          What should a member of the UN Security Council and a nuclear superpower have and be able to do?
          1. -7
            22 October 2023 12: 34
            After the Chinese, Vova went to Rostov. I think I was pleased, though I don't know. 30 attacks per day. We can't afford Bakhmut anymore. There is no longer that organization... some kind of results are still needed for the March reset of Vova... I think they will wait until the fall, despite the price tag
            1. +7
              22 October 2023 16: 08
              We can't afford Bakhmut anymore. there is no such organization anymore...

              Yes, Bakhmut is an exception to normal military operations. According to the Wagnerites, their losses in killed along the entire line amounted to 20 thousand, and the main part, apparently, was in Bakhmut-Artemovsk. It is impossible for the RF Armed Forces to allow such losses. Yes, Donetsk is being shelled. But hitting the forehead is hardly justified. Unless you use high-power weapons and concentrate other advanced weapons and equipment. However, there are other areas that are less protected by defensive weapons.
              1. +1
                23 October 2023 05: 36
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                Yes, Bakhmut is an exception to normal military operations. According to the Wagnerites, their losses in killed along the entire line amounted to 20 thousand.

                The Bakhmut meat grinder did not set the goal of taking the city “at any cost,” but, on the contrary, to storm it for as LONG as possible, drawing on as many enemy forces and reserves as possible, while the RF Armed Forces mobilized and resolved military-industrial complex issues. And Wagner completed his task. And the losses were 20 thousand... Well, after all, they outnumbered the enemy by about 50 thousand, and this in conditions when the enemy was fighting on the defensive, and ours stormed the enemy’s highly defended positions without a numerical advantage over him. For this kind of assault, this is a very good loss ratio. And they could have taken Artyomovsk much faster if that was the only goal.
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                hitting the forehead is hardly justified.

                Avdeevka was bypassed on both sides by a continuous front, but in order to close the ring, it is necessary to advance another 5-10 km. in order to have sufficient depth of defense for the closing - outer part of the ring, but this has not yet worked out... it has not worked out. the enemy sat in a defensive position behind continuous minefields, just like our troops in the south. And you can only advance through minefields in an elongated column following the trawl - an ideal target for artillery. Which is what the enemy took advantage of.
                In order to qualitatively solve the problem of attacking the enemy's layered defense behind minefields, it is necessary to resolve the issue of counter-battery warfare. In order to completely suppress enemy artillery during the period of breakthrough of the defense. And for this we need counter-battery countermeasures. And not only long-range (no lower than the enemy) and high-precision artillery (we, in principle, have “Tornado-S” and “Tornado-G” with adjustable ammunition for this), but most importantly - a sufficient quantity with acceptable quality, means artillery reconnaissance. But with this we have so far... so-so - the industry can’t keep up. But the enemy has such stations installed on Humvees and are in constant motion (frequently changing positions) and their number is well over a hundred.
                So that's it for now.
                As for Avdeevka itself, there is already artillery control over the roads leading to it, and supplying the garrison is seriously hampered. But there are a lot of supplies there, and the garrison is not small. Therefore, either encircle and force them to surrender, or demolish them with heavy aerial bombs, breaking into all underground communications. In the meantime, Donetsk today has already begun to suffer much less from cannon artillery shells. But the rockets are flying.
        3. +12
          22 October 2023 10: 53
          In the Kherson direction, the Nazis captured two bridgeheads and four settlements on the left bank of the Dnieper. Now we need to grind them into a meat grinder and throw them into the water.

          Or maybe burn these bridgeheads with napalm and MLRS fire?
          Why kill soldiers in another meat grinder....
          1. +1
            22 October 2023 11: 56
            Quote: assault
            In the Kherson direction, the Nazis captured two bridgeheads and four settlements on the left bank of the Dnieper. Now we need to grind them into a meat grinder and throw them into the water.

            Or maybe burn these bridgeheads with napalm and MLRS fire?
            Why kill soldiers in another meat grinder....

            That's how it should be done. You forgot about aviation. good
          2. +8
            23 October 2023 05: 47
            Quote: assault
            Or maybe burn these bridgeheads with napalm and MLRS fire?
            Why kill soldiers in another meat grinder....

            Cluster munitions from heavy MLRS are very effective for eliminating such bridgeheads. There are many of these in our warehouses, but for some reason there are no sanctions for their massive use. And this is surprising. High-power ODAB would also help. But the strangeness of the decisions made (or the failure to make the right decisions) has become commonplace in this SVO.
            1. +6
              23 October 2023 11: 52
              the strangeness of the decisions made...has become commonplace in this NWO...

              It’s just that it’s beneficial for everyone now. Nobody needs to win.
              For our “leader”, a permanent SVO is a guarantee of his lifelong rule (a besieged fortress, horses at the crossing..), for their ahem-ahem “president” this is an excellent chance to suck (without much strain) the loot from the light elves and not do anything.
              It is you and me, little people, who want victory, peace, stability. Happiness for everyone, for free... (c)
              And the bosses don't care about us. They have their own movement, their own truth.
    2. +3
      22 October 2023 16: 13
      A lot of letters, a lot of words, but in fact - nothing...
    3. -2
      23 October 2023 22: 24
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      Don't go on the offensive

      Wars are not won on defense. We must go on the offensive! But not head-on into fortified areas. There are Sumskaya, Chernigovskaya, there are a lot of directions where there are no pre-prepared fortifications. districts.
      But, as I understand it, we are no longer talking about Sumy, Chernigov, not to mention Nikolaev and Odessa. As soon as the president talks about readiness for peace negotiations. They will stop in Donetsk, Lugansk and incomplete Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. Although, it seems to me, the Ukrainians in negotiations can bargain for the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.
      There is no longer any talk of denazification and demilitarization of the Outskirts.
      I, a non-believer, pray that I'm completely wrong in my predictions
    4. 0
      6 November 2023 02: 08
      Thus, the Americans plan to form formations for a new counter-offensive by spring and make up for the losses of existing formations, and to attack with the support of aviation and active counteraction from our aerospace forces.

      That's it, dear author. The problem is that in the spring the enemy will strengthen again and this will happen the more likely the more respite we give him in the winter.
      The author proposes to sit on active defense until their spring offensive, and this is just a plan.
      The offensive loves a good moment. Hasn't it arrived?
      1. The enemy is exhausted by fruitless attacks. He is on his last legs and it is clear that such an enemy needs to be beaten. Like in boxing. The enemy hit and missed and is now open to strike. But of course there is a risk that we will also make a mistake and then everything will start all over again. But you can let the Ukrainian Armed Forces go on vacation and they will trample forward again in the spring.
      2. The strength of our defense and its success will be analyzed carefully and in detail. The second time, the mines may not save you. Therefore, sacredly relying on exhaustion in defense is ambiguous.
      3. Right now, the United States cannot actively help Zela in defense because Israel needs help.
      And perhaps before spring or earlier the enemy will solve this problem and begin to help Zela again.
      The moment will be missed.
      Conclusion: We desperately need a big victory over the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Namely, the encirclement of large forces and their defeat.
      You have to be afraid of casualties, but they are inevitable when the defense is broken through. The main thing is not to hit in the forehead, but to find vulnerabilities and take them in pincers! The Ukrainian Armed Forces have weak points and we find them, shaking their defenses. Yes, there is some risk, but the enemy does not have the strength to respond and their main ally is busy!
      The environment of Avdos is tempting, but there are other interesting possibilities. Correct calculation and a bold, decisive strike at a vulnerable spot with the goal of quickly encircling large forces.
      If we don't do this, the moment will be wasted!
      Fear of initiative and attack is the fear of the vanquished. Only attack gives victory!
      Well, even if we screw up, the enemy will not attack us in the mud, and he has nothing with which to do so.
      But let's learn lessons. You need to learn to attack by attacking, not defending. In a dense defense, you can’t remember anything about the offensive. These are 2 different types of combat operations.
  2. +33
    22 October 2023 04: 56
    I don’t remember who said (maybe Eisenhower) about the growth of military production during WWII, in the first year there was almost nothing, in the second year it barely covered the needs of the army, in the third year - as much as you needed.

    Until the EU and the USA have developed their rather small military industry to its full potential, Ukraine has time. And then it will end, as it did for the southerners in 1863 or for the Germans in 1917.

    On the other hand, I won’t go on an attack on Avdiivka, so I won’t force anyone to storm it myself, and I can only ask military experts who know how to win from the couch one question: since you’re so militant, why not at the front?

    On the third hand, the existence of the USA/EU does not depend in any way on the outcome of the war in Ukraine; they are unlikely to fight for Verdun. Maybe then it makes sense for Russia to drag its feet while simultaneously minimizing its costs.
    1. +12
      22 October 2023 06: 32
      Quote: Artem Savin
      Until the EU and the USA have developed their rather small military industry to its full potential, Ukraine has time. And then it will end, as it did for the southerners in 1863 or for the Germans in 1917.

      I think this will solve everything... Moreover, recent events will clearly accelerate the deployment of the Western military-industrial complex...
      The red lines are all far behind, the transfer of weapons is limited only to “we ourselves need it” - and this is temporary, solved by production. But Americans know how to work and love it... no matter how much they talk about moving production to China, the majority simply have no idea how much of it is left in the states... We were unable to completely destroy ours in 30 years, leaving them in the surrounding independent states, but they developed, except that they transferred something to China...
      And the war now is still not being waged by infantry... no matter how patriotic you may be, we ourselves say that it is mainly artillery...
    2. +18
      22 October 2023 06: 53
      Quote: Artem Savin
      Until the EU and the USA have developed their rather small military industry to its full potential, Ukraine has time. And then it will end, as it did for the southerners in 1863 or for the Germans in 1917.

      I agree with you. But some believe that time is on our side. Because we are strong, and the West is very weak:

      . The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal. Even today, after it is no longer possible to hide failures in foreign policy, there they continue to believe in their strength and our weakness.

      Is it completely the other way around?
      1. +19
        22 October 2023 07: 24
        Staver began to suspect something? So he was engaged in mischief. Viemya does not work for the job, that’s for sure. And “the sturgeon will apparently be cut back.” I mean the plans of the Russian leadership. If they exist in reality. And not just a war for the sake of wars with the West..
      2. +21
        22 October 2023 17: 58
        I agree with you. But some believe that time is on our side. Because we are strong, and the West is very weak:

        The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal. Even today, after it is no longer possible to hide failures in foreign policy, they continue to believe in their strength and our weakness.

        Is it completely the other way around?

        Time has been working for the same people for the last 9 years since 2014.
        I remember in 2014, a group of milkmen from the national Aidar battalion in a couple of minibuses and cars in jeans with hunting rifles and several Kalash rifles recaptured Mariupol from the Strelkov boys.
        Strelkov, on the other hand, with his 4 captured tanks, terrorized Ukraine like a dragon for several months. At that time, Ukraine had no combat-ready units at all.
        A few battles were enough to arrange Debaltsevo, Illovaisk and Kromatorsk.
        It was time. The old people remember what a pitiful spectacle the Ukrainian Armed Forces presented itself in 2014-2015. Remember the ersatz armor of VSU armored vehicles in the form of welded window bars. They welded some rubbish onto the equipment, including basins. We used old collection cars from Europe, which were driven by volunteers. Banderamobiles were made from all kinds of scrap metal.

        How is it now???? The regular army of the Russian Federation plus several hundred thousand mobilized, plus the Russian Guard, plus Wagner and other “volunteers”. We raked out everything we could, including ancient canned goods T-62 and T-55. For more than a year and a half of push-pull, the Donetsk region was not taken.
        So who does time work for? How did the first person complain? We were deceived with the Minsk agreements. We gained time to upgrade the APU.
        It will be more fun later.
        1. +9
          22 October 2023 18: 46
          We gained time to upgrade the APU.

          The Supreme Commander objected to you: “But then we didn’t have hypersound!” ))
    3. +1
      22 October 2023 06: 58
      Quote: Artem Savin
      To military experts who know how to win from the couch, I can only ask one question: since you are so militant, why not at the front?

      I’ve asked this question a hundred times already, but I haven’t received an answer.
      1. +13
        22 October 2023 07: 14
        Quote: Dart2027
        I've asked this question a hundred times already, but I haven't received an answer.

        There is a substitution of concepts. Commanding troops and participating in hostilities as an ordinary soldier.
        1. -10
          22 October 2023 08: 41
          Quote: Stas157
          There is a substitution of concepts. Commanding troops and participating in hostilities as an ordinary soldier.

          That is, others should fight, and you should command? And why am I not surprised? Are you a retired general yourself? Go as privates and get promoted by showing how you should, and then you will become generals.
          1. +4
            22 October 2023 09: 16
            As I understand it, you are also not broadcasting from the front line. So what are you teaching then? Uncomfortable questions are not asked to the soldiers, they are our heroes. But to those in high positions
            1. -4
              22 October 2023 11: 57
              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              As I understand it, you are also not broadcasting from the front line. So what are you teaching then?

              If you know better than others, then go and show it.
              Quote: Dart2027
              That is, others should fight, and you should command? And why am I not surprised?


              Quote from: dmi.pris1
              Uncomfortable questions are asked not to the RF fighters, they are our heroes. But to those in high positions

              I've already heard this somewhere... Not against the Motherland, but against the State. I remember on this site there were articles from ordinary soldiers who explained both about detours and about the speed of attack, but in the comments they still shouted that they did not understand anything.
              1. +2
                23 October 2023 11: 57
                I see that for you the Russian State is identified only with power. In the Kremlin, in the localities... But it’s not like that, the State is all of us. And I don’t associate the majority of the citizens of the Motherland with worthless power. Look, it was also a hundred years ago power. Worthless Nikolashka. What led to? However, the state has only cleansed itself. Now again the worthless people are sitting on their necks Yes
                1. -2
                  23 October 2023 16: 33
                  Quote from: dmi.pris1
                  I see that for you the Russian State is identified only with power. In the Kremlin, in the localities... But it’s not like that, the State is all of us.

                  As I already said
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I've already heard this somewhere... Not against the Motherland, but against the State.

                  Change the manual, this one has become outdated since perestroika.
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2023 16: 58
                    laughing I see things here all the time about the “manual” and Tsipso... Look in the refrigerator, there’s a tsipso sitting there tongue
                    1. -1
                      23 October 2023 22: 04
                      Quote from: dmi.pris1
                      I see here all the time about the “manual” and TsIPSO..

                      True eyes hurts?
          2. +16
            22 October 2023 12: 57
            The whole problem is that today's army is behind the times! The Ukrainian Armed Forces have limited support from the West, and this support only hits the vulnerable spots of the Russian military machine! And such targeted support is enough to neutralize the superiority of the Russian army in artillery, aviation, and tanks! belay The presence of these vulnerabilities is the result of ill-considered work on the development of the Russian army, ignoring progress in many areas of industry! fool
            Therefore, we cannot attack today, although it seems that we have all the means for an attack! We need to work very quickly on mistakes and bring the Russian army up to the level of the 21st century, and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance soldier

            All videos from the front, from any side, are the same: near Uledar our tanks are in the snow, in Zaporozhye Western tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are scattered into pieces, now Ukry are posting exactly the same videos from near Avdeevka! Our offensive in technological terms is no different from their offensive, all hope is in firepower, but we are not yet able to suppress their firepower!
            1. -14
              22 October 2023 16: 27
              Quote: Eroma
              All videos from the front, from any side, are the same: near Uledar our tanks are in the snow, in Zaporozhye Western tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are scattered into pieces, now Ukry are posting exactly the same videos from near Avdeevka!

              The question is whether they can be trusted. From the very beginning, TsIPSO churned out fake news.
              Quote: Eroma
              and this support hits exclusively the vulnerable spots of the Russian military machine

              But the real effect of all these prodigies is much lower than expected.
            2. +2
              23 October 2023 00: 58
              Quote: Eroma
              The whole problem is that today's army is behind the times! The Ukrainian Armed Forces have limited support from the West, and this support only hits the vulnerable spots of the Russian military machine! And such targeted support is enough to neutralize the superiority of the Russian army in artillery, aviation, and tanks! belay The presence of these vulnerabilities is the result of ill-considered work on the development of the Russian army, ignoring progress in many areas of industry! fool
              Therefore, we cannot attack today, although it seems that we have all the means for an attack! We need to work very quickly on mistakes and bring the Russian army up to the level of the 21st century, and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have no chance soldier

              All videos from the front, from any side, are the same: near Uledar our tanks are in the snow, in Zaporozhye Western tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are scattered into pieces, now Ukry are posting exactly the same videos from near Avdeevka! Our offensive in technological terms is no different from their offensive, all hope is in firepower, but we are not yet able to suppress their firepower!

              Yes, unfortunately, the footage from 17.10 from near Avdeevka reminded the beginning of the offensive near Ukrov. The same explosions of armored vehicles, the same chaos. Until the air defense is suppressed, aviation is not used at full strength to burn everything along the attackers’ path with bombs, and supply routes are not cut off, all these offensives are doomed and pointless. During these days, technicians have lost as much personnel as the factories will be riveting for another five months. And even train new tankers. Although, it seems to me, the generals still learned the wrong things in the academies, looking at the result of the offensive near Donetsk (I am in no way begging the merits of the military on the battlefield, they are doing everything they can under these conditions).
          3. +3
            22 October 2023 19: 10
            So that’s why you remain completely silent, because in this case bribes from you are smooth and there are no inconvenient questions addressed to you. You won’t have to go on the attack, but they can cope in the trenches without you, right!? wink
      2. +2
        22 October 2023 10: 02
        “I’ve asked this question a hundred times already, but I haven’t received an answer.”
        So you’re not writing this from the trenches either? and I’m old already, they won’t even hire me as a partisan. but I can fully understand what is good/what is bad, and express my opinion too. and for people like you, I always have an answer - don’t tell me what I should do, and I won’t tell you where you should go laughing
        1. -6
          22 October 2023 11: 58
          Quote: ZloyKot
          So you’re not writing this from the trenches either? and I’m old already, they won’t even hire me as a partisan. but I can understand what is good/what is bad and express my opinion too

          Quote: Dart2027
          That is, others should fight, and you should command? And why am I not surprised?
          1. 0
            23 October 2023 08: 06
            "And why am I not surprised"
            probably because I didn’t even hint about my desire to command laughing . but you chose to step aside when asked a direct question about the trench
            1. -1
              23 October 2023 16: 34
              Quote: ZloyKot
              probably because I didn’t even hint about my desire to command

              That is, you don’t want to do anything, but you know everything how to do.
              Quote: ZloyKot
              but you chose to step aside when asked a direct question about the trench

              So I have to go for you?
              1. 0
                24 October 2023 17: 58
                “That is, you don’t want to do anything, but you know how to do everything.”
                That also happens. you may not believe it, but there are people who really know everything. well, or almost everything. but I already said, I’m old. Yes, I know how, but I don’t want to anymore. you do it, because you also know and can laughing
                “So I have to go for you?”
                why for me, for yourself. and, by the way, you again did not answer whether you were writing from a trench. although I can already guess...
    4. +11
      22 October 2023 07: 48
      Excuse me, but will they also expand Ukrainian production?
      1. +12
        22 October 2023 10: 38
        In addition to Ukrainians, the West also has human reserves. Russians have no one except Russians. And “Russian production” is also very lame. Comrades from friendly post-Soviet republics will, of course, compensate for the shortfall, but this will not lead to anything good.
      2. 0
        22 October 2023 11: 43
        Well, who said that as many Ukrainians will die as now (if it is really possible to count current losses)? Maybe they will also mine and strengthen + supplies.
        As for me, these stories about universal enlistment into the army are only half-truths. Yes, more Ukrainians are definitely dying, but by how much? They probably die in tens of thousands.
        We need victory, but how to achieve it is a difficult question
      3. -1
        22 October 2023 12: 14
        If the Ukrainians run out, “volunteers” will come en masse: Poles, Balts, Finns, Germans, French... Just don’t say that they won’t want to. Nobody will ask them. The United States will order - they will do anything, because there are American bases on their territory, and any politician who balks will be eliminated.
        1. +2
          22 October 2023 16: 56
          And what now prevents your “mass” from becoming for the same Poles and Balts who are already in Ukraine?
          1. +1
            22 October 2023 20: 35
            The lack of orders is a hindrance. Why drive everyone away if the Ukrainians are already doing a good job...
            1. -1
              23 October 2023 16: 35
              Quote: Kmon
              Why drive everyone away if the Ukrainians are already doing a good job...

              So how are they doing with the offensive?
    5. +3
      22 October 2023 12: 16
      I agree that advancing on Avdeevka, as armchair strategists call for battle, is hopeless and pointless. But what a squiggle (B.N. Yeltsin). The author proposes to calculate the cost of the lost lives of our military as a result of the assault on Avdiivka. That is, he pushes
      to the conclusion, there is no need to storm, and it is useless, because the enemy has brought up reserves. But how to count the lives of civilians in Donbass lost as a result of shelling from Avdeevka? Is balance calculation appropriate? I think no. And that's why. Let's turn to history. The siege of Leningrad lasted 900 days. And hunger, and cold and shelling - all this happened. Were there anyone willing to lift the blockade? Undoubtedly, at the very top, because they managed to convince Stalin to launch an offensive of Vlasov’s army in 1942. What came out of this is known to everyone - the army died in the swamps, and its commander surrendered to the Germans. It was when the forces of the Red Army strengthened so much that we were able to advance that the blockade was lifted. That is, the question of possibilities is not a question of emotions, but of mathematics, despite the fact that Donetsk residents expect further destruction and sacrifice, and our army is, at best, marking time, and at worst, “regrouping.” Making a forecast means solving an equation with two unknowns and one parameter - time, which is known to be merciless. The author perfectly described the capabilities of the West in confrontation with us. As for our capabilities, there is a fog here, except for Putin’s non-local unbridled boasting, but that’s blah blah. Therefore, it is impossible for us, ordinary citizens, even those classified as “experts,” to make a forecast. I try not to give in to emotions, but a person is not an insensitive animal; in the unknown he is tormented by fear. So I'm afraid.
  3. +10
    22 October 2023 04: 58
    Why frontal assaults if the situation already allows Artemovsk to be repeated, only at a higher level? There is only one paved road left. In three to four days the rains will begin. The width of the neck is 8 - 9 km. In my opinion, everything is obvious.
    1. +5
      22 October 2023 07: 26
      Nothing is obvious there yet. It is possible that there is not enough strength and skill. This is in the article, by the way. Here I agree with Staver
    2. +6
      22 October 2023 10: 04
      “Why frontal assaults if the situation already allows us to repeat Artemovsk, only at a higher level?”
      that is, an even more frontal assault than in Artyomovsk?
  4. +22
    22 October 2023 05: 46
    Well, actually, the next offensive on Avdeevka has been going on for 12 days, with significant losses (primarily in equipment) and small, although important, successes, and the enemy’s offensive has not yet ended, they have gained a foothold on our bank of the Dnieper and so far it has not been possible to dislodge them from there In the Zaporozhye direction, the enemy also continues attacks, fortunately unsuccessful.
    In general, the situation within the framework of the chosen political strategy of “not war, but military defense” with the goal of reaching an agreement with respected Western partners is absolutely deadlocked.
    Within its framework, we can neither interest the West in negotiations (everything suits them), nor drive the enemy out of Donbass, Zaporozhye, and Kherson. It remains to sit on the defensive, undertaking tactical offensives from time to time to improve positions, or as in the case of Avdiivka, in order to somehow push back the enemy who is shooting at Donetsk.
    The only hope is that after another year of such a war, either Trump will come or the enemy will run out of active human resources and he will still negotiate.
    1. +10
      22 October 2023 07: 37
      I’m just an observer from the outside, but, as far as I know, Putin hasn’t talked about “Western partners” for a long time, and certainly doesn’t talk about “respected Western partners” - this is just polemical rhetoric from Strelkov, who wants to take advantage of a confusing situation to make a statement About Me. I think that the current Russian government would bring Ukraine to its knees by military means if they knew how to do it. There is certainly a will for this, but neither the idea nor the funds are yet sufficient. The main reason for the stagnation, in my opinion, is that we are in a situation similar to the First World War. Then technical inventions, such as machine guns and long-range artillery, made war of movement impossible for a long time. Today the situation is similar: an oversaturation of infantry with MANPADS and anti-tank systems, almost complete reconnaissance of the front by drones in combination with long-range and high-precision artillery, effective suppression of aviation by long-range anti-aircraft missiles and developed positional systems with extensive minefields have led to a stalemate where both sides can defend themselves well , but it is very difficult to attack. Ways to get out of this stalemate, of course, exist, there are ideas, but the technical means and/or the right tactics for their implementation are still lacking.
      1. +5
        22 October 2023 09: 31
        Putin has not spoken about “Western partners” for a long time now.

        He doesn’t say it, but he means it. Since all his statements are mainly intended for an internal audience. There is such an interesting film called “Balabol”, maybe someone has watched it.
        1. +7
          22 October 2023 10: 34
          Unfortunately, I don’t know the film, but regarding Western partners: Putin himself once said in an interview that he, like many other Russians, after the end of the Cold War, seriously believed that the time had come for partnership with the West, a time for peaceful trade relations and so on, and the West itself never tired of describing exactly this scenario in many sweet expressions. This scenario was also believed in the West. At least there was hope in the Kremlin that the Europeans could be convinced. This development culminated in a joint “no” to the war in Iraq with German Chancellor Schröder and the then French President. In addition, the construction of Nordstream pipelines and the growth of trade relations with Europe. Under normal circumstances, this concept of peaceful coexistence and trade might work. But building European-Russian relations was causing more and more headaches for the Americans. They began to do everything possible to destroy this relationship. European politicians capable of making independent decisions have been replaced by clowns like Scholz and mentally deficient creatures like Beerbock, Liz Truss and the like. Important bridges were burned. The pinnacle of the split desired by the United States was the installation of the Maidan regime in Kyiv, Kiev’s unleashing of the war in Donbass and the bombing of the Yankees’ “Nordstream 2.” Those in the East and West who had in mind a good rapprochement between Europe and Russia underestimated the power and influence of the US empire on Europe. Europe is driven out and captured by US puppets, the chances of self-liberation are doubtful. I think that the Kremlin has now fully realized this.
          1. +5
            22 October 2023 12: 17
            Rather, they underestimated Russophobia, which has always dominated Europe. Yes, there was some economic cooperation, but at the first occasion (Crimea) the Europeans willingly imposed sanctions, and after the Northeast Military District they essentially broke off relations. You have to understand that they always hated us, they just used to hide it for the sake of profit. Therefore, the union with Europe is nothing more than a chimera.
            1. +10
              22 October 2023 14: 01
              We need to look at this differently. I don't believe there is such a thing as global Russophobia in Europe, even historically. I am an East German myself, there are a lot of pro-Russian people here, some drive around with a large Russian flag in their car, despite media propaganda, someone even recently wrote “Free us again!” on an old T-34 on a pedestal. Remember Russia's historically good relations with some European countries. Remember the Tauroggen Convention, remember the German emigrants who sought their fortune in Russia under Catherine the Great, would they have come in thousands if they were Russophobes? Bismarck, who said: “Keep peace with the East, for the East is our future,” and he meant mainly Russia, because he knew that the British wanted war and that only they would benefit from it. One should also not confuse Europe with the EU; the EU is an anti-European organization, which, in my opinion, is a creation of the United States. Statements by political leaders towards Russia do not automatically coincide with the opinions of all residents. Unfortunately, methods of subtle, psychological manipulation of the masses today are very sophisticated and work for at least 60% of people. The US Empire is a master at this. Through systematic propaganda, people are convinced that Russia is bad and Ukraine is wonderful. If tomorrow the same media tell the same people that Russia is great and Ukraine is bad, they will also believe it. You just need to skillfully present the dish, put it in a humanitarian form and repeat it often enough. Russophobia is created artificially. I still remember how during Schröder’s time they praised Russia in general and Putin in particular, as a Prussian in the Kremlin and so on. Today they cannot live a day without ranting about Russia and Putin.
            2. 0
              22 October 2023 14: 13
              Quote: Kmon
              Rather, they underestimated Russophobia, which has always dominated Europe. Yes, there was some economic cooperation, but at the first occasion (Crimea) the Europeans willingly imposed sanctions, and after the Northeast Military District they essentially broke off relations.

              Here, in fact, one of two things: either the inescapable dominant European Russophobia, or they treat the state of Ukraine differently than the pro-war population of the Russian Federation.
            3. +2
              22 October 2023 17: 17
              A small addition: certain historical grievances against Russia are of course more common in some regions, for example in Poland or the Baltic countries, I certainly do not want to deny this and for the sake of completeness I forgot to mention this in my text, but as I I have already said that I would not say that Russia is hated in Europe everywhere/on a global scale. I also believe that relations with Russia can be restored when Europeans are free again, but that time of healing is still in the distant future. For Russia today, of course, it makes more sense not to take it into account, but to settle very broadly in economic and any other respect and make itself as independent as possible, not only, but especially from the West, where the United States dominates. The US Empire is in gradual decline and floundering desperately. If I were Russia, I would be very well armed in this situation, as far as economically and financially justified, in order to insure that American planners across the pond would not begin to indulge in illusions and begin to conceive nonsense that could end fatally for all of us.
        2. +2
          22 October 2023 14: 10
          After Putin’s last speeches, no one in the West will definitely negotiate with him. As someone aptly pointed out in the comments: Putin now has two roads, either the Parade in Kyiv or the tribunal in The Hague feel
          Therefore, there is probably no question about agreements today until the negotiating figures change.
          But the ability to bring the matter to the Parade in Kyiv is still in doubt No.
          It is not yet clear how things will end, but we hope for an unconditional Victory! soldier
          1. +5
            22 October 2023 20: 12
            Putin now has two roads, either the Parade in Kyiv or the tribunal in The Hague

            There are 3 more varieties, and within Russia:
            3) galleys on the Yenisei,
            4) golden snuff box,
            5) "either a donkey or a padishah"
            These options are more realistic than the first two :))
          2. +1
            22 October 2023 20: 39
            Well, explain how they can physically bring him to The Hague. Or do you think that defeat will look like the Germans, with a massive invasion and occupation of the country? This is impossible as long as nuclear weapons exist.
            1. +2
              22 October 2023 22: 41
              I think the plan is simpler: Putin is not the president (lost the elections), and the new government will naturally send Putin to The Hague in order to improve relations with the West bully
              I think this is the plan in the West belay
      2. -1
        22 October 2023 19: 07
        Quote: Marc_Aurel
        There is certainly a will for this, but neither the idea nor the funds are yet sufficient.

        I have big doubts about will. Mishustin said: “There is no need to transfer the economy to a war footing.”
        But in my opinion, such a need became obvious six months ago. We must act like Ukraine: do not let those liable for military service leave the country, subordinate all business to the front, explaining to people the seriousness of the situation. Then it may be too late.
        1. -9
          22 October 2023 19: 22
          Quote: MBRBS
          Mishustin said: “There is no need to transfer the economy to a war footing.” But in my opinion, such a need became obvious six months ago

          Well, I don’t even know. My friend, Mishustin, unlike, runs the government of the Russian Federation. And, apparently, he does it, mmm... not without success. What can you personally boast about?

          Personally, I am inclined to think that of the two of you, Mishustin still has more information and experience to correctly assess the situation.
        2. +4
          22 October 2023 20: 40
          In the current conditions, total mobilization (what? You can’t put women and teenagers on modern machines like 80 years ago, you can’t produce tanks at tractor factories, and I’m not talking about the then non-existent dependence on imports) is the most reliable way to destroy the economy and finish off the country. This could be suggested either by a stupid person or a saboteur.
          1. -2
            23 October 2023 11: 02
            Quote: Kmon
            You can’t put women and teenagers on modern machines like 80 years ago,

            I wonder if you could explain how modern drilling machines differ from non-modern ones? Stamping press, press brake, sharpener? Set it up for one operation, give instructions on safety precautions, and then go and check the clearances several dozen times. I'm sure you haven't worked on machines at all. For example, they taught me how to use a band saw in a couple of minutes. It won't take much more time to train a boy or woman.
            Quote: Kmon
            I’m not talking about the then non-existent dependence on imports

            During the Second World War, both the USA and Great Britain supplied us with machine tools.
            Quote: Kmon
            This could be suggested either by a stupid person or a saboteur.

            Which is what you are.
            1. +1
              23 October 2023 13: 55
              For your information, professional turners are trained for 2 or 3 years. You can, of course, reduce the preparation time, but then the quality of the product will be appropriate. It was not without reason that there were huge non-combat losses in WWII. Modern technology is much more expensive and is produced much more slowly than the technology of that time, so defects will be much more critical.

              Well, most of the machines were installed before the Second World War, during industrialization, but that’s not the point. The question is, who will deliver now? Modern technology without electronic filling is just iron trash. But with machines for microprocessors, it is very difficult for us and it will not be possible to sharply increase parallel imports - the Chinese do not want to fall under sanctions. And they are guaranteed to be threatened with sanctions if they see that the Russian Federation is preparing for total mobilization.
      3. 0
        22 October 2023 22: 45
        Quote: Marc_Aurel
        I think that the current Russian government would bring Ukraine to its knees by military means if they knew how to do it. There is certainly a will for this, but neither the idea nor the funds are yet enough

        On the one hand, looking at the terrible reality, one could be forgiven for burying one’s head in the sand and screaming, “I’m in the house.” On the other hand, this is forgivable only for a child.
        There is no need to come up with conspiracy theories and fantasize, just face the facts.
        The Russian authorities launched an operation throughout Ukraine recognizing the Zelensky government and the territorial integrity of Ukraine (excluding Crimea and Donbass)
        On the third day, when the army was near Kiev, they started talking about negotiations with the Zelensky government and about “humanitarian pauses”, on the 4th day negotiations began.
        Their essence was voiced by Lukashenko and Schroeder, etc. The proposals were about preserving the entire Maidan of Ukraine (including Donbass) and about negotiations on the status of Crimea in exchange for autonomy for Donbass and formal non-entry into NATO.
        Then Putin was again “fooled by the nose,” then requests for negotiations and “peace initiatives” with mediators from blacks to the PRC continued non-stop and continue to this day. Only the maximum conditions became 4 regions for us - the rest is for the West.
        All this time there has been no war, no one is hitting communications. no one hits on television, no one hits the Maidan authorities. Well, etc.
        It is a not a war at all , and SVO, by the way, does not even have any legal status (which allows it to be completed at any time without regard to any laws).
        Quote: Marc_Aurel
        The main reason for the stagnation, in my opinion, is that we are in a situation similar to the First World War. Then technical inventions, such as machine guns and long-range artillery, made war of movement impossible for a long time.

        NWO is 10% war and 90% politics. Your reasoning is reasonable if we look only at these 10 percent, at the conditions in which the military was placed and in which they have been operating since 2014.
        But if you look at reality as such. 100% reality. Then your reasoning simply does not make sense.
    2. +13
      22 October 2023 10: 09
      Quote: Belisarius
      Well, actually, the next offensive on Avdeevka has been going on for 12 days, with significant losses (primarily in equipment) and small, although important, successes, and the enemy’s offensive has not yet ended, they have gained a foothold on our bank of the Dnieper and so far it has not been possible to dislodge them from there In the Zaporozhye direction, the enemy also continues attacks, fortunately unsuccessful.
      In general, the situation within the framework of the chosen political strategy of “not war, but military defense” with the goal of reaching an agreement with respected Western partners is absolutely deadlocked.
      Within its framework, we can neither interest the West in negotiations (everything suits them), nor drive the enemy out of Donbass, Zaporozhye, and Kherson. It remains to sit on the defensive, undertaking tactical offensives from time to time to improve positions, or as in the case of Avdiivka, in order to somehow push back the enemy who is shooting at Donetsk.
      The only hope is that after another year of such a war, either Trump will come or the enemy will run out of active human resources and he will still negotiate.

      Political goals must somehow be supported by a material base. If at the very beginning of the North Military District the goal was to overthrow the Ukrainian government and put Qom or someone else on the throne, then after the “de-escalation” near Kiev there is no talk of any taking control of all of Ukraine - there is neither the strength nor the means for this. The economy of the Russian Federation is already sagging, so you will still have to carry the destroyed Donbass on yourself and also support the rest of Ukraine + fight against partisans. All this is very expensive. Accordingly, the goals were reduced to 4 four regions + recognition of Crimea and, preferably, the lifting of sanctions. The West categorically disagrees with this and insists on the 2002 border + reparations. Here comes the bargaining with the use of military force. The only way to impose your point of view on the West is to prove that all supplies to Ukraine are “not horse feed,” but even this does not work. The West is ready to provide assistance to Ukraine for years, especially not at such high costs. And I would not call this situation a dead end; rather, it is a gradual and still very slow movement back. The enemy is strengthening itself, including due to new long-range systems, the Russian economy is under pressure, and weapons stocks are far from endless. How much longer will it last?
    3. +2
      22 October 2023 10: 11
      “In general, the situation within the framework of the chosen political strategy of “not war, but military defense” with the goal of reaching an agreement with respected Western partners is absolutely deadlocked.”
      so it’s obvious right away - a year and a half of deadlock, that’s why the results are appropriate
  5. +6
    22 October 2023 06: 07
    Of course, Avdeevka must be taken... of course this must be done with the least losses... of course all Banderaites there must be starved to death and fried with TOS without letting them out... like stinking bugs.
    I don’t presume to give advice on how to do this to our commanders in the army...they know this better than me.
    I can only wish the soldiers and officers good luck and success in this matter.
    1. +1
      23 October 2023 21: 09
      give advice on how to do this to our commanders in the army...they know this better than me.

      look at the faces of our generals when Shoigu gathers them for various meetings and for some reason doubts arise about this.
  6. +5
    22 October 2023 06: 15
    Intelligence will not help where for every smart military man there are dozens of cretin-politicians for decades. Starting from the people's favorite - Yeltsin.

    Destroyed in 1991 by SS-20 RSD. And most likely they will not resume, because many technologies have been lost. Guns with calibers greater than 200 mm are not produced.

    But the main thing is that there is no Warsaw Pact and there is no possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons, which can only be noticed by a huge number of guns.
    But a country cannot make oil and guns and nuclear weapons at the same time.

    Politicians have led the country to the point that its own tactical nuclear weapons have become for it “a suitcase without a handle.” It must be produced, but it cannot be applied.
    1. +5
      22 October 2023 09: 37
      Quote: ivan2022
      Intelligence will not help where for every smart military man there are dozens of cretin-politicians for decades. Starting from the people's favorite - Yeltsin.

      Destroyed in 1991 by SS-20 RSD. And most likely they will not resume, because many technologies have been lost. Guns with calibers greater than 200 mm are not produced.

      But the main thing is that there is no Warsaw Pact and there is no possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons, which can only be noticed by a huge number of guns.
      But a country cannot make oil and guns and nuclear weapons at the same time.

      Politicians have led the country to the point that its own tactical nuclear weapons have become for it “a suitcase without a handle.” It must be produced, but it cannot be applied.

      This statement works both ways. Ukraine generally sold most of its weapons (remaining after the collapse of the USSR) and voluntarily gave up nuclear charges on parole. From today's point of view, this is a huge stupidity, but who thought about it then?
      1. +3
        22 October 2023 12: 19
        Who would allow her to keep nuclear weapons? Certainly not the USA or Russia.
      2. 0
        22 October 2023 12: 50
        Quote from Escariot

        This statement works both ways. Ukraine generally sold most of its weapons (remaining after the collapse of the USSR) and voluntarily gave up nuclear charges on parole. From today's point of view, this is a huge stupidity, but who thought about it then?


        Who was thinking about what is actually unknown

        But I guess that such large-scale things don’t happen by themselves. Because they are very expensive. There is always someone thinking many years ahead.

        Unfortunately, this does not apply to modern Russia. Here, most likely, they are only thinking about how to grab more and get out of there faster.
      3. -5
        23 October 2023 00: 03
        "voluntarily gave up nuclear charges on my word of honor." - and Ukraine never had nuclear weapons. The USSR had them - read from Moscow. And where these charges were located is no longer important. By the way, everyone forgets that nuclear weapons also happened on the territory of Belarus and Kazakhstan. Therefore, “voluntarily” does not apply here.
  7. +8
    22 October 2023 06: 20
    Has the light converged like a wedge on Avdeevka? You can attack Kharkov, Poltava, Summy, Chernigov, which will have a much more effective impact on the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka. Why isn't this happening? I hope that someday the Supreme Commander will answer this question. So far, we are watching how the Americans, in order to divert attention from Ukraine and Taiwan, started a conflict in Israel.
    1. +5
      22 October 2023 07: 24
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      Has the light converged like a wedge on Avdeevka? You can attack Kharkov, Poltava, Summy, Chernigov, which will have a much more effective impact on the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka. Why isn't this happening? I hope that someday the Supreme Commander will answer this question. So far, we are watching how the Americans, in order to divert attention from Ukraine and Taiwan, started a conflict in Israel.

      Avdeevka has the best tactical situation: the enemy is already in half-coverage and only a dozen kilometers remain to be overcome and victory is achieved. It’s not for you to attack Sumy, where you can attack, but it’s unlikely that you’ll be able to defeat and encircle the enemy.
      1. -2
        22 October 2023 10: 15
        “It’s not for you to attack Sumy, where you can attack, but it’s unlikely that you’ll be able to defeat and encircle the enemy.”
        and take the sums - it’s generally science fiction, and unscientific at that
    2. +2
      22 October 2023 22: 46
      To advance on all those areas that you have listed, you need another 500-600 thousand bayonets, trained, dressed and armed in addition to those already at the front and in the rear. Where are you going to get them?
  8. +17
    22 October 2023 06: 34
    . Who gave you this price? How many lives is Avdiivka “worth”? How many lives are other Ukrainian cities worth?

    This should have been thought about before the SVO. Any war, even a special operation, costs lives. Or is it not worth it?

    So, what about Avdeevka? Will it be taken this year? I understood the point of the article that there was a delay in this. And they explained why.
    1. +25
      22 October 2023 07: 23
      You can’t attack, you can’t defend yourself... where to put the comma???... for the Kremlin people there’s another question...
      I think that before the next ascension to the throne in April 24th, there will still be attempts to somehow improve the situation on the fields of the Northern Military District...
      and then we will wait for Trump-Ours to enter the White House... then we will have the gas sector from the Barents to the Crimea right next to us, under the skillful management of the Washington regional committee... and as a result, a stalemate for many years... no war , no peace...
      The question is - why the hell did all this start???...and who and when will answer for the tens of thousands of dead???
      1. +2
        22 October 2023 08: 14
        The Gaza Strip was once an entire state, what you call a "stalemate" is actually a loss for Palestine.
    2. +4
      22 October 2023 08: 55
      Quote: Stas157
      So, what about Avdeevka? Will it be taken this year? I understood the point of the article that there was a delay in this. And they explained why.

      Yes, the point of the article is precisely this explanation. We slowed down to avoid big losses.
  9. +7
    22 October 2023 06: 38
    I once wrote that it is better to sit on the defensive than to attack like the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Zaporozhye. Unfortunately, Avdeevka confirms my fears. The old statutes are not in effect, and it seems that no new ones have been invented. Wagner was also dispersed, but it was one of the most combat-ready assault formations.
    1. +7
      22 October 2023 06: 59
      Quote: Glock-17
      Wagner was also dispersed, but it was one of the most combat-ready assault formations

      Over the past year, only he had the biggest achievements. The main penetrating force was. Why didn’t they save it, didn’t they save it? Strange.
      1. -4
        22 October 2023 07: 08
        They didn’t save it because Wagner ended up in the hands of a madman. And the mentally ill psychopath became a billionaire because Yeltsin became president.

        Such a society cannot have its own Elon Musks, Henry Fords or Roosevelts.
        1. +10
          22 October 2023 07: 31
          Quote: ivan2022
          They didn’t save it because Wagner ended up in the hands of a madman.

          Those who were able to create such a unique private army with unsurpassed combat effectiveness in our time are simply crazy brilliant people!

          I was initially against PMCs, since it was contrary to the law. But when Wagner began to produce crazy performance, it had to be appreciated.
          1. +9
            22 October 2023 08: 58
            I was initially against PMCs
            , PMCs in Russia are like the feudal armies of small-town feudal lords in the Middle Ages. They are not predictable, it is unknown where and against whom they can turn the carts, uh, tanks.. Only the state also feeds them with weapons, money.. Concludes contracts for the performance of certain services. Gives certain benefits for formation.
          2. +2
            22 October 2023 10: 25
            “But when Wagner began to show crazy performance”
            crazy performance is when “veni, vidi, vici”. and since Wagner stomped around in a very small town for 15 months, this is not even productivity, this is an imitation of vigorous activity
            1. 0
              22 October 2023 19: 43
              Quote: ZloyKot
              and since Wagner stomped around in a very small town for 15 months, this is not even productivity, this is an imitation of vigorous activity


              Just don’t forget that before Wagner began to “stomp” around Bakhmut, they began to artificially “dry” him... they refused to recruit prisoners (although there had been no problems before, on the contrary, the RF Armed Forces adopted this tactic), problems began with ammunition, especially with artillery.... + some strange movements began, when the commander of the Northern Military District was replaced, the connection between the Wagner PMC and the Defense Ministry was severed, they did not respond to Wagner’s requests in high offices, etc. and despite all these problems, the Bakhmut guys took... they accomplished a real feat.

              By the way, after the success at Bakhmut - Wagner, the scale of such victories is not even close.... can you now name the settlement (city) that was taken by the Russian Armed Forces after the end of the story with Wagner? You can’t, because there is no such success.

              And if you rewind time and look at Prigozhin’s interviews, then in one of them, he talked about plans to increase the number of Wagner PMCs, named numbers... I don’t remember right now off the top of my head, but it would be a full-fledged army with everything necessary, and where is Wagner themselves would ensure the safety of their rear, etc. and so on. - in fact, if we had followed this path, we would have already had major successes, like Bakhmut, and maybe success at the operational level, who knows... but we took a different path.

              PS It is also worth remembering that Wagner seriously constrained the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and seriously battered them.... how many units the Armed Forces of Ukraine left in Bakhmut is still a mystery) but clearly not a few, considering what forces were involved in trying to recapture the city.
              1. 0
                23 October 2023 08: 11
                “before Wagner began to “stomp around” Bakhmut, they began to artificially “dry” him
                Wagner spent almost all his time at the front in Bakhmut. Well, do you think it was “dried” from the very beginning?
              2. 0
                23 October 2023 08: 18
                "There are no such victories even close.."
                There really aren't any people like that. and God forbid that it doesn’t happen. 15 months of butting heads with a worthless town that has no significance, 25 thousand losses, although Prigozhin himself stated that “the losses could have been 5 times less.” and why they did not become less. resource loss - 200 shells per hectare every day of these 15 months, not counting everything else, from cartridges to stew - do you call this a brilliant victory?
              3. 0
                23 October 2023 08: 26
                "he talked about plans to increase the number of PMCs Wagner, named numbers... I don’t remember right now off the top of my head, but it would be a full-fledged army"
                According to indirect data, Wagner had up to 60 thousand personnel, its own artillery, tanks and aircraft. much more? It was only necessary to manage it all wisely. it just didn't work out wisely
                “It is also worth remembering that Wagner seriously constrained the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and seriously battered them... how many units the Armed Forces left in Bakhmut is still a mystery.”
                Maybe that’s why it’s a mystery because the victory was not so brilliant? Wagner was also seriously battered - 25 thousand losses, according to Prigozhin
                "considering what forces were involved in trying to recapture the city."
                and what forces, who counted them? now an infantry platoon is considered a strategic group laughing
        2. +9
          22 October 2023 07: 40
          Quote: ivan2022
          They didn’t save it because Wagner ended up in the hands of a madman. And the mentally ill psychopath became a billionaire because Yeltsin became president.

          Such a society cannot have its own Elon Musks, Henry Fords or Roosevelts.

          Yeltsin was really popular (at least initially) because of his political activities, but Prigozhin became a billionaire because he was friendly with some people who allowed him to make money on government contracts. The difference between them is obvious.
      2. +5
        22 October 2023 10: 20
        “Over the past year, only he had the biggest achievements”
        can you name at least one? Don’t name the 15-month trampling in bakhmut with 25 thousand losses
        1. -1
          22 October 2023 20: 00
          Quote: ZloyKot
          can you name at least one? Don’t name the 15-month trampling in bakhmut with 25 thousand losses


          Is Bakhmut not enough for you? Soledar, settlements around Bakhmut (dozens of settlements), and this is taking into account the small number of PMCs, which cannot be compared with the number of the Russian Armed Forces and their capabilities.

          But Wagner’s most important achievement is not populated areas... namely, the time that PMCs were given by the Russian Armed Forces to come to their senses after the “regroupings” + they seriously constrained the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donetsk region) if they weren’t... where were they It is unknown what the borders would be and where the Ukrainian Armed Forces would be now.
          1. 0
            23 October 2023 08: 30
            "Isn't Bakhmut enough for you?"
            Was he needed, this bammut?
            "Soledar, settlements around Bakhmut (dozens of settlements)"
            these are tiny villages, just along the way. and Wagner was not alone there
      3. 0
        23 October 2023 01: 27
        Quote: Stas157
        Over the past year, only he had the biggest achievements. The main penetrating force was. Why didn’t they save it, didn’t they save it? Strange.

        What’s strange here is that unfit people really don’t like professionals. Hence the result. They dispersed motivated people, but they can’t do something similar, and they probably don’t want to. You never know, elections are coming.
    2. +1
      22 October 2023 07: 18
      In fact, there was information on the site that the new leadership of Wagner, intentionally returning them to the LBS and the first detachments, is already moving forward. But is this one true or not?
      I can’t see it from the procedure
    3. +5
      22 October 2023 13: 18
      Quote: Glock-17
      I once wrote that it is better to sit on the defensive than to attack like the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Zaporozhye. Unfortunately, Avdeevka confirms my fears. The old statutes are not in effect, and it seems that no new ones have been invented. Wagner was also dispersed, but it was one of the most combat-ready assault formations.

      The old statutes are in effect, but at least these old statutes must be followed. In order to suppress a certain enemy fortified area the size of a hectare, it is necessary to fire one and a half hundred 152mm shells at a time. And this is not counting counter-battery warfare and the installation of barrage fire. And exactly ONCE, and not one shell per hour. Is this being done anywhere now? Even Wagner in the time of Surovikin did not have such a number of shells and had to fight not according to the regulations. In the end, a PMC is not an army and all these pieces of paper are not a decree for them. The losses of Wagner’s “volunteers” were not included in the calculation of the losses of the Moscow Region, so it’s not even a pity. And for the rest, according to Khodakovsky, it was even worse with shells. This is the reason for Wagner’s relative success.
  10. +4
    22 October 2023 06: 56
    I understand that now there will be “heroes” who will demand an immediate attack and are ready to go in the forefront of the attack. And even be the first to die.

    But this is nonsense. All those who demand to attack at any cost are sitting on the sofas and will not be the first to go anywhere. That's actually why they demand it.
    1. +5
      22 October 2023 07: 18
      Quote: Dart2027
      But this is nonsense. All those who demand to attack at any cost are sitting on the sofas and will not be the first to go anywhere.

      And those from whom they demand go first?
      1. -1
        22 October 2023 11: 59
        Quote: Stas157
        And those from whom they demand

        Is it possible to go on the offensive without privates?
  11. -9
    22 October 2023 07: 14
    Author, to you+. For a non-specialist, but a “teapot”, everything is accessible.
    “Improves positions” all in accordance with the laws of physics: nature does not tolerate a vacuum. So it is here: the Armed Forces of Ukraine turned the Shnikovs and consolidated in their position
  12. +13
    22 October 2023 07: 36
    The author has some strange connection in his head between the shelling of Donetsk and the presence of the Avdeevka ledge. Did he even see the map? The enemy's heavy artillery will reach Donetsk and Makeevka without problems, even if Avdeevka is lost. The Avdeevsky ledge itself is shot right through by our artillery right up to the mortars, and the enemy is unlikely to have the opportunity to drag there a large number of heavy guns and shells for them.
    1. +1
      23 October 2023 21: 23
      brings and drags and continues to hammer Donetsk from there.
  13. +1
    22 October 2023 07: 57
    Positional warfare requires the adoption of tunneling shields.
  14. +6
    22 October 2023 08: 41
    The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal. Even today, after it is no longer possible to hide failures in foreign policy, they continue to believe in their strength and our weakness.


    The main goal is Putin!

    Their logic is this: it’s winter, the Russians are resting on the defensive after the offensive, and we (the West) are pumping new equipment, aircraft, and ammunition into the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We (the West) are preparing Ukraine for a new round of “counter-offensive”.

    The author contradicts himself.
    The first quote contradicts the second and third. The West has not lost its bearings and has not lost its goal. Russia remains the target for the West. Putin is just a disguise. And the method they chose was quite effective.
  15. +6
    22 October 2023 08: 44
    First of all, you need to turn your face to your citizens and say why and because of whom everything went wrong....... And who will be punished for this. Secondly, keep the ENTIRE economy. Third, explain long-term plans. Fourthly, to remove the infrastructure of Ukraine - railways, heating, power plants, without affecting the lives of ordinary citizens if possible - society will be dissatisfied, perhaps some kind of ferment will lead to an internal conflict - without this, as far as I see, there will be no big offensive of the Russian Federation (+ GDP is categorically against large losses at the front)
  16. +1
    22 October 2023 08: 44
    The article is generally correct, but... -too many words. It’s a no brainer that you need to attack and attack wisely. Something else is not clear... In the same Avdeevka there are no civilians, everyone has already left long ago. Then it is unclear why our powerful ammunition is not used to destroy the fortified area. I mean heavy aerial bombs, widespread use of volumetric explosion and incendiary ammunition. The fact that we are striving to minimize civilian casualties is understandable, but the Nazis from the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Do we protect them too?
    1. +10
      22 October 2023 09: 18
      Quote: Sergey_K
      The article is generally correct, but... -too many words. It’s a no brainer that you need to attack and attack wisely. Something else is not clear... In the same Avdeevka there are no civilians, everyone has already left long ago. Then it is unclear why our powerful ammunition is not used to destroy the fortified area. I mean heavy aerial bombs, widespread use of volumetric explosion and incendiary ammunition. The fact that we are striving to minimize civilian casualties is understandable, but the Nazis from the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Do we protect them too?

      Everything that can be used is already being used (except for nuclear weapons), it’s just that the possibilities are such that it is not possible to destroy the fortified area. Air defense does not allow dropping heavy bombs from airplanes; there are few gliding bombs and they are not that powerful. Incendiary and thermobaric ammunition are not used against long-term fortifications. So you have to hit your forehead against minefields.
      1. -6
        22 October 2023 12: 21
        Chemical weapons were not used, although they should have been, given that the Ukrainians had already used them.
      2. 0
        22 October 2023 23: 23
        In World War II they took big cities without nuclear weapons, but you can even demolish neighborhoods with artillery
      3. 0
        24 October 2023 16: 49
        Quote from Escariot
        Quote: Sergey_K
        The article is generally correct, but... -too many words. It’s a no brainer that you need to attack and attack wisely. Something else is not clear... In the same Avdeevka there are no civilians, everyone has already left long ago. Then it is unclear why our powerful ammunition is not used to destroy the fortified area. I mean heavy aerial bombs, widespread use of volumetric explosion and incendiary ammunition. The fact that we are striving to minimize civilian casualties is understandable, but the Nazis from the Ukrainian Armed Forces? Do we protect them too?

        Everything that can be used is already being used (except for nuclear weapons), it’s just that the possibilities are such that it is not possible to destroy the fortified area. Air defense does not allow dropping heavy bombs from airplanes; there are few gliding bombs and they are not that powerful. Incendiary and thermobaric ammunition are not used against long-term fortifications. So you have to hit your forehead against minefields.

        Well, where are our cluster munitions that Kozhugetovich boasted about? And in Marik, what was it impossible to flood the underground structures of Azovstal from nearby rivers? But if some commanders have only one wrinkle on their head from a cap, this is really bad
  17. +2
    22 October 2023 08: 50
    Of course, the explanation for the low pace of the counter-offensive of our troops near Donetsk is understandable: we need to take care of people. I will say this about this: People should ALWAYS be taken care of! And not only military, but also civilians! But somehow I have never seen a clear explanation for the fact that, advancing in the Kremennaya area, Kr. Liman, Kupyansk, Ugledar, we have a solid advance, while absolutely not moving near Donetsk and Gorlovka, and thereby allowing the enemy to destroy people there DAILY with almost impunity. And people (including children) die there much more often than they did before the start of the SVO. How is this to be understood?!
  18. +4
    22 October 2023 09: 18
    Any lull is used by the enemy to prepare for a new fight, and by our “leadership” - for relaxation and personal enrichment.
    The bridges are standing and will remain standing, no difficulties are expected with the delivery of weapons - for them, but for us we can expect serious problems, especially with Kiev receiving increasingly long-range systems.
    It seems that our “elite” thinks that if we close our eyes, all dangers will disappear by themselves.
  19. +5
    22 October 2023 09: 22
    There is really no choice. The Russian Federation does not have enough strength to attack, and the army has no desire to “erase itself.” New mobilization is hampered by elections; all that remains is to hold on to what we have. It would be nice to properly disrupt the energy of UA, but the management is afraid to do this. So there is simply no way out in the near future. Entrance - ruble, exit 10.
  20. +10
    22 October 2023 09: 36
    “when the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to conduct their “counter-offensive”.”
    “it was decided to transfer the war to the format of “conducting databases in small groups”; we have seen what this looks like in practice for many months now.”
    Is this a counterattack? Was he there? Actions by forces up to a platoon, with a couple of tanks or infantry fighting vehicles, in a very local area and in different places, is this a counter-offensive? These are simply movements that make it clear that the patient is more likely alive than dead. What results have been achieved? Well, there, the capture of cities, the destruction of logistics, the encirclement and capture of armies? There was nothing. The entire load fell on the guns and missiles, on both sides. Individual forays, more like reconnaissance in force, without meaning, without results, just a fact - military operations are ongoing. Spring and summer are over, winter is on the way, are we waiting for the general frost? So here he works on both sides
    “now Kyiv and the Pentagon are waiting for the autumn thaw, which will stop active hostilities and help the Armed Forces of Ukraine pin down the tank units of the Russian army”
    What are tank units so busy with now? Indirect shooting? They can do this even in times of mud.
    “And the West will begin active supplies of air defense systems and the formation of new Air Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”
    And how can tanks interfere here? The West is still actively supplying weapons, and for some reason no one is stopping it
    “Moreover, even if a political decision is made, it is quite difficult to physically deliver tanks to Ukraine”
    No difficulties - the railway works, bring tanks from wherever you want - Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria - bring whatever you want. And I don’t want to swim along the Danube. No one interferes with this - Zarathustra does not allow
    “When analyzing the situation in the Northern Military District zone, it is impossible not to touch upon foreign policy issues. Only the lazy did not write about the fact that Kyiv is not independent in its decisions.”
    Judging by the toothlessness and infantilism of our authorities’ actions, they are also not free to make decisions. They are also controlled, as if not from the same center
    “Who set this price for you? How many lives is Avdiivka “worth”? How many lives are other Ukrainian cities worth?”
    Pointless stomping around in one place also leads to completely unjustified losses. Or are only Ukrainians dying now?
    “Forcing our advance will increase our losses. Consequently, in order to capture some bridgehead or city, we will bleed the advancing units. And we will be forced to go on the defensive.”
    You won't win a war by sitting on the defensive. And in order not to bleed our troops, we need to abandon the favorite tactics of our generals - a head-on attack on fortified positions. This, of course, is the easiest, but the result is most often negative.
    “This is a completely logical conclusion. We must attack wisely."
    I will say more, we also need to defend ourselves wisely, and in general we need to fight wisely. And here our generals do not shine
    “I won’t draw any conclusions today.”
    For this, a big thank you. The article also didn’t need to be written.
  21. 0
    22 October 2023 10: 16
    It is obvious that sooner or later tactical nuclear weapons will be used against infrastructure facilities (bridges, dams.). At the current stage, this would effectively lead to a quick victory. There are more than enough reasons.
    1. 0
      26 October 2023 01: 17
      And then how to live in the liberated territories contaminated with radionuclides? Would you personally like this?
  22. +9
    22 October 2023 10: 38
    A portion of Staver’s sedative - “there is no need to rush, otherwise it will get worse.”
    Although it’s obvious that the current situation “no change at the front” has developed primarily thanks to unclear leadership from the very top, and the mentioned deliveries of long-range missiles and the upcoming deliveries of aircraft are a direct result of the indecisiveness of the current authorities and in the future the situation will only get worse fool
  23. +5
    22 October 2023 10: 42
    Oh, how cunning, “I won’t draw conclusions...”, then why is the article in the “Analytics” section? Or are the conclusions simply not very rosy, and writing in the style of “We won’t surrender Kherson” has become not comme il faut even for you Author?
  24. +2
    22 October 2023 10: 45
    Europe is already producing up to 300 thousand shells. This will be enough for the Armed Forces of Ukraine for six months of war...

    How much does this take - a year?, two?
    Considering the APU consumption is 5000 per day and it is constantly not enough for them - what is six months of war?
  25. +1
    22 October 2023 11: 07
    We need to attack smartly, suddenly, quickly, in several directions at once, so that the enemy does not have time to react to our offensive actions.
    This is how the Germans advanced in 41 and 42, this is how the Red Army advanced in 44 and 45...
    By marking time in one place, we give the enemy a chance not only to strengthen the defense in dangerous directions, but also to prepare counterattacks by maneuvering reserves.
    Experience shows that the biggest losses are not suffered by the attacking side, but by those who sit in deep defense and then are surrounded and captured.
    1. BAI
      +5
      22 October 2023 12: 36
      It was clearly said that it won’t happen suddenly. Modern technical intelligence will reveal any troop movements.
      1. -1
        24 October 2023 19: 01
        It was clearly said that it won’t happen suddenly. Modern technical intelligence will reveal any troop movements.


        Who said it?
        Who has proven this?
        The art of war is the art of deception, not head-on attacks.
        There are countermeasures against technical intelligence.
        Modern military equipment makes it possible to create a breakthrough tens of kilometers deep in a few hours,
        there are tactics of using air and sea landings to support and strengthen the breakthrough.
        When there is a desire to win, they act using all possible forces, methods and techniques...
        When the goals are not clear and the resources are unclear, there is a sluggish head-to-head push...
        It’s just a pity that in this case, it’s not those who started and approved it who die....
  26. +1
    22 October 2023 11: 25
    Experienced generals capable of organizing an effective defense and offensive were sent into exile, and those who sit in the General Staff, as practice has shown, plan and manage troops many times worse than a “professional restaurateur.”
    So we are marking time in one place “no matter what happens”
  27. 0
    22 October 2023 11: 29
    It is necessary to attack Avdeevka from all sides, and not wait for it to be surrounded. Otherwise, time will be lost. Now they have ATACMS, then they will have F-16s. What's next B-1, American special forces, NATO troops in Kyiv. First of all, you need to think with your head, and not with your back seat.
  28. -9
    22 October 2023 11: 34
    Under Akhromeyev, we would have burned out the Nazis with nuclear weapons: this is what is going on.
    1. +11
      22 October 2023 12: 23
      The problem is that after the use of nuclear weapons there will be a complete blockade of the country, and really complete: China, India and others will join it, because no one will like the normalization of the use of nuclear weapons. After this, all countries (Japan, Taiwan, Korea and many others) who can run to acquire their own nuclear power, because this is the only guarantee of safety... And we are critically dependent on imports.
  29. BAI
    +13
    22 October 2023 12: 34
    The main problem of SVO is its ambiguity. We fight here, we trade here.
    Here we can add the lack of purpose of the operation. The question is: what do we bring to the people of Ukraine? Does he need it?
    1. +2
      22 October 2023 12: 38
      Liberation from the Nazis, obviously. The problem is that Ukrainians don’t believe in this.
      1. -2
        22 October 2023 16: 15
        Remind me who is the leader of these Nazis?
        1. -1
          22 October 2023 20: 45
          A Jew, so what, Lavrov said that Hitler has Jewish roots. Do you think he was lying?
          1. -1
            23 October 2023 22: 01
            Do you seriously consider Zelensky to be the leader of the Nazis now?) That is, in your opinion, Zelensky and the Ukrainians put their people
            Above the rest? There are facts of such statements. Somehow, I doubt that if it were so, he would be target number 1 for Putin and CO. And so it turns out that there are supposedly enemies, but no one can name who exactly this enemy is, specific names. Therefore, there is this duplicity of the SVO. If the enemy is the Anglo-Saxons, as they say, then why is no one fighting them? In general, there are more questions than answers.
      2. +9
        22 October 2023 19: 20
        Who even believes? They have a Jewish president there, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate is Russian, and all sorts of minorities are marching, it is obvious that trying to blame the leadership of Ukraine for Nazism is obviously a bad idea, it only worked inside Russia, since there is control over the propaganda tools, but it certainly didn’t work abroad. You can poke at the conditional weak points in the person of real Nazis, but these national battalions do not have real power, but are simply used by the top as a tool.
        And in general, the majority of the population of Ukraine absolutely does not care about Biden/Zelensky/Bandera, they simply see from which side the “arrivals” are made in their cities, hence the motivation to go to war for their Motherland.
        1. -3
          23 October 2023 21: 54
          Yes, what kind of arrivals does this population see? It doesn’t really see or feel the war. There are groceries in the stores, heat, water, electricity, internet, communications. All infrastructure is working. Dollars and euros are flowing like a river. They go to the so-called war because they pay well and you can make good money. Now, if they found themselves in the position of Palestinians in gas, in devastation, without water, food and receiving the same daily arrivals as from Jews, then “in general, the majority of the population of Ukraine would absolutely not give a damn about Biden/Zelensky/Bandera” and special motivation It didn’t want to go to war and fight. Most likely it would want peace and a normal life.
      3. BAI
        +2
        22 October 2023 20: 57
        Liberation from the Nazis, obviously.

        Do Ukrainians want to be “liberated”?
        With what words did they drive our prisoner into the minefield?
        "Go, go liberator."
        1. 0
          22 October 2023 23: 33
          Did the Germans want to be liberated? But no one asked them. They released him, even if by force.
  30. +3
    22 October 2023 13: 06
    It’s worth recalling that when the Northern Military District began, supplies from the EU + NATO were ridiculous there (soap, shag, dry rations, medical kits), but now? No one is calling to take Avdeevka on horseback, but they also hope that NATO+EU themselves will “die” - that would be funny! The conclusions from here: strengthen fire support and advance, no matter how much anyone wants to! Yes
    1. +4
      22 October 2023 15: 25
      Quote: Mikhail Dadeko
      It’s worth recalling that when the Northern Military District began, supplies from the EU + NATO were ridiculous there (soap, shag, dry rations, medical kits), but now? No one is calling to take Avdeevka on horseback, but they also hope that NATO+EU themselves will “die” - that would be funny! The conclusions from here: strengthen fire support and advance, no matter how much anyone wants to! Yes

      Supplies from the West were initially ridiculous only because of the lack of belief that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were generally capable of fighting and would not surrender to the enemy tomorrow.
  31. +9
    22 October 2023 13: 06
    World military experience says that a prerequisite for military victory is the violation of the control system at all levels down to local administrations, the establishment of a land, air and sea blockade, the violation of transport hubs and communications, suitable places for basing military and transport aviation, known weapons depots and cantonment sites. troops, production facilities for the production and repair of weapons, food supply for the army.
    While the military leadership has been deciding for almost two years now the issue of taking or not taking Avdiivka and reducing the shelling of Donetsk and other populated areas, the enemy during this time could have built more than one line of defense and hundreds of fortified areas similar to Avdievka.
    1. +4
      22 October 2023 15: 32
      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      World military experience says that a prerequisite for military victory is the violation of the control system at all levels down to local administrations, the establishment of a land, air and sea blockade, the violation of transport hubs and communications, suitable places for basing military and transport aviation, known weapons depots and cantonment sites. troops, production facilities for the production and repair of weapons, food supply for the army.
      While the military leadership has been deciding for almost two years now the issue of taking or not taking Avdiivka and reducing the shelling of Donetsk and other populated areas, the enemy during this time could have built more than one line of defense and hundreds of fortified areas similar to Avdievka.

      Is there strength for all this? An example is Desert Storm, where UN aviation made one and a half thousand sorties per day + salvos of hundreds of cruise missiles. Are our troops capable of this? This time.
      2) Why did you decide that the capture of Avdiivka was not in the plans of the leadership initially? After all, the entire territory of the LDPR was going to be liberated. They simply tried not to take this fortified area, but to bypass it in a wide arc from Melitopol to Izyum. It didn't work out. Well, then there was no time for Avdeevka at all. Now for some reason they are trying to storm this fortified area, although in fact the capture of this fortress is unlikely to improve the situation in Donetsk.
      1. +1
        22 October 2023 18: 54
        1. The military, mobilization, production and other potential of the Russian Federation is approximately 10 times higher than the Ukrainian one.
        2. At the beginning of the war, when the Russian army was advancing and standing near Kiev in Boryspil, they talked about the inappropriateness of an attack on the echeloned fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Donetsk due to the inevitable and unacceptable losses of personnel and equipment. The assault on Bakhmut, according to the late owner of the Wagner PMC, cost the lives of 20 thousand soldiers, and this does not count the losses of other units that participated in and supported the assault on Artyomovsk.
        3. Avdeevka is a suburb of Donetsk, which allows the capital of the province to be shelled with all types of heavy weapons already 8 years before and almost 2 years after.
        1. +3
          23 October 2023 01: 02
          Quote: Jacques Sekavar
          1. The military, mobilization, production and other potential of the Russian Federation is approximately 10 times higher than the Ukrainian one.
          2. At the beginning of the war, when the Russian army was advancing and standing near Kiev in Boryspil, they talked about the inappropriateness of an attack on the echeloned fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Donetsk due to the inevitable and unacceptable losses of personnel and equipment. The assault on Bakhmut, according to the late owner of the Wagner PMC, cost the lives of 20 thousand soldiers, and this does not count the losses of other units that participated in and supported the assault on Artyomovsk.
          3. Avdeevka is a suburb of Donetsk, which allows the capital of the province to be shelled with all types of heavy weapons already 8 years before and almost 2 years after.

          1) Ukraine is constantly mobilizing, but can Russia? In Ukraine, most of the industry stopped and the workers were mobilized. And the West supplies them and feeds their families. And if our workers are mobilized, who will support them and their families? China?
          2) Naturally, the assault on Avdeevka is impractical. It is necessary to strike with wide enveloping blows, bypassing fortified areas. But now there is nowhere near the strength to do this, so we have to storm Avdeevka in order to at least tactically improve the situation.
          3) Even if Avdiivka falls, this will in no way solve the problem of shelling of Donetsk. Look at the map
  32. +6
    22 October 2023 13: 42
    They wanted to take Kyiv in three days.
    And now the question is to capture Avdeevka?
    1. -3
      22 October 2023 16: 13
      No, they still periodically talk about Kherson, Nikolaevsk, Odessa and so on. If it could have been done, it would have been earlier. Don’t wait until the Ukrainian Armed Forces have the most advanced weapons
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  34. +4
    22 October 2023 16: 11
    By 2045, Rosstat predicts a reduction in the population of the Russian Federation to 138 million. I hope Putin understands that no long war is in the hands of the Russian Federation or, in principle, does this data not bother him? Like, after my reign, is there even a flood?
    1. +2
      23 October 2023 00: 22
      Quote: All_Good
      By 2045, Rosstat predicts a reduction in the population of the Russian Federation to 138 million

      In 2045? Well, you've swung.
      Kurginyan, who does his best to put on a good face when the game is bad, and he says that there are five years to change, no more. And there is nothing noticeable about any changes except for the worse.
      1. -2
        23 October 2023 18: 09
        Yes, it is clear that in reality the picture is even worse. So the question is, what specific measures is the government taking to change the situation radically? Except SVO of course
    2. -1
      25 October 2023 22: 20
      Rosstat so far makes all calculations without taking into account the population of the four annexed regions.
      1. 0
        26 October 2023 16: 36
        Since 2022, Rosstat has been publishing population data taking into account the All-Russian Population Census, which took place in Russia in 2021. At the same time, official statistical data on the population of four new regions of the Russian Federation - DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions - are not yet taken into account, the document explains. https://stolica-s.su/archives/365468
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  35. +2
    22 October 2023 16: 26
    Avdeevka must be taken, period. It will simply be a shame to look into the eyes of the residents of long-suffering Donetsk! A little more and there will be no one there to look you in the eye, is this the true goal of YOUR fuss?
  36. -3
    22 October 2023 17: 38
    Avdeevka city, town 29 sq. km. 8,5 km long, 7.2 km wide. What kind of head-on assaults? Don’t we have the weapons to demolish this fortified area? 26 "tornadoes and there is no fortified area. There really are no residents there, only Banderaites. Give them Pompeii and let the descendants clear away these rubbles. Or level it with a bulldozer, build it up in a new way, or create a Victory Park over Banderaites. soldier
    1. +3
      22 October 2023 18: 44
      They built underground fortifications there a long time ago, and they are not afraid of any tornadoes.
      1. 0
        24 October 2023 17: 04
        Quote: Dmitry Rigov


        +2
        They built underground fortifications there a long time ago, and they are not afraid of any tornadoes.

        If all supply routes were cut off, then what would Bandera’s people do in Avdeevka, eat crows and kysyuks?
    2. +1
      22 October 2023 19: 31
      Quote: V.
      Avdeevka city, town 29 sq. km. 8,5 km long, 7.2 km wide. What kind of head-on assaults? Don’t we have the weapons to demolish this fortified area? 26 "tornadoes and there is no fortified area. There really are no residents there, only Banderaites. Give them Pompeii and let the descendants clear away these rubbles. Or level it with a bulldozer, build it up in a new way, or create a Victory Park over Banderaites. soldier

      According to Soviet standards, when storming a fortified area on one hectare, it is necessary to dump one and a half hundred 152mm shells at a time. Should you calculate how many shells you need to dump over 29 km^2 or can you handle it yourself? And this is exactly ONE TIME to bring the enemy into combat readiness, and to destroy the fortified area completely - even more.
  37. +1
    22 October 2023 18: 00
    We are still busy with Kupyansk, we have taken on Avdeevka, and in the meantime the Wehrmacht has crossed to our shores and is preparing to go to the Crimea.
    Ours were unable to recapture the Antonovsky Bridge for several months.

    THE BEGINNING OF THE BATTLE FOR CRIMEA: UKRAINIAN MILITARY STARTED AN ADVENTURE OPERATION

    The battle for the lower reaches of the Dnieper is in full swing - the advanced detachments of the enemy crossed the river and managed to seize a bridgehead. The situation in general is serious. And the enemy does not sit still. Experts do not rule out that in the future the question of building pontoon bridges and transporting tanks across them will arise.

    The enemy has prepared

    Overall, it is clear that Ukraine is preparing a major breakthrough with serious operational consequences, such as leaving the “Surovikin Line” and starting the battle for Crimea.

    The Ukrainian military was well prepared, concentrated large forces and was already able to achieve noticeable tactical successes.

    That is, there is no reason to believe that the enemy somehow moved to our shore and is now sitting and trembling under three bushes.

    It is known that the depth of the bridgehead created by the Armed Forces of Ukraine reaches 5,5-6 km, if we count the space of the river floodplain.

    Now the enemy will be busy strengthening positions, pumping up the bridgehead with manpower and heavy weapons, and in the near future the Ukrainian Armed Forces will try to equip it with armored vehicles, primarily amphibious ones - such a scenario cannot be ruled out. In the future, the question will arise about building pontoon bridges and transporting tanks across them.
  38. +1
    22 October 2023 18: 48
    There is no need to take Avdeevka at any cost. We need to try to surround her. And finish off the APU in the boiler.
  39. +3
    22 October 2023 19: 15
    Quote: Artem Savin
    Maybe then it makes sense for Russia to drag its feet while simultaneously minimizing its costs.

    I would really like to advise such advisers to just live for at least a couple of weeks, for example, in Putilovka or Trudovskiye, where our people have been subjected to nightmares every day for the tenth year.
  40. 0
    22 October 2023 20: 18
    I didn’t understand the author’s thoughts, other than “I won’t draw any conclusions.”
    It is obvious to me that a decision has been made to liberate Avdeevka and Kupyansk, and that there are forces and means for this, artillery and bomb attacks are intensifying, flank coverage is slow, but it is moving. There are reserves and have not yet been tapped.
    The fuss in the Dnieper floodplains near Kherson is just an attempt to divert forces by creating, like, a “bridgehead.” It is impossible to sit in these swamps for a long time, it is impossible to transfer heavy equipment there and concentrate it, it is impossible to cover all this air defense for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, so there is no other point in these “attacks”.
    Atakams - I don’t know that it changes a lot compared to the previously used Tochka-U - does it give an extra 40 km?
    The question here is rather, where did our more numerous Tochka-U, removed, weapons go? Joyfully cut ahead of schedule?
    This is already a black spot forever on the “tandem”, like other experiments on the army and weapons. And now there is no turning back for them: and they are guilty before the people, the West will not forgive.
    So, let them sober up from their liberal-universal human intoxication, and give results, not chatter.
  41. +2
    22 October 2023 20: 18
    Many people have probably noticed how the Crimean direction has become more active. Incursions by saboteurs, attacks on ships, sea and air drones, etc. It is clear that all of this cannot be called attempts to seize the peninsula. Then what is it? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that the goal of all these attacks and attacks should be considered to be the destabilization of Crimean society. Transformation of the region into a full-fledged front section.
    The main goal is to weaken the defense in the Crimean direction “for the future.”
    The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal. Even today, after it is no longer possible to hide failures in foreign policy, they continue to believe in their strength and our weakness.
    Strange, but not the other way around?! winked
  42. -1
    22 October 2023 20: 20
    I won’t draw any conclusions today. Simply because I know my readers are competent enough to decide for themselves what needs to be done.
    And thanks for that, as they say. Here's a relatively good breakdown of the situation:
    https://vk.com/video711300862_456239396
  43. +4
    22 October 2023 20: 28
    “The West has lost its bearings, lost its goal,” I don’t agree,
  44. -1
    22 October 2023 20: 48
    What is there to think about - she needs to be surrounded and that’s it. Some will argue that it is more difficult to surround. And that the enemy will leave the flanks on his own if the city (ruins) are taken. ?
    After all, ANYONE will have to fight on the flanks. This is where you need to start, and as a gift - a whole city.
    1. +2
      23 October 2023 00: 54
      Quote: Sasha Koblov
      What is there to think about - she needs to be surrounded and that’s it. Some will argue that it is more difficult to surround. And that the enemy will leave the flanks on his own if the city (ruins) are taken. ?
      After all, ANYONE will have to fight on the flanks. This is where you need to start, and as a gift - a whole city.

      This is how they are fighting on the flanks now. However, you have to attack from ledges where it is difficult to concentrate large forces, and the enemy is not asleep. That's the result.
  45. -4
    22 October 2023 20: 57
    The Kremlin’s plans include only the process of military operations without victories or defeats. The comprador government of the Russian Federation is solving the problem of how to preserve the power seized in 1991 forever. For the authorities, the war in Ukraine is a side effect that did not turn out as planned. Kyiv and NATO as a whole are against concluding a peace treaty with the Russian Federation; their task is the liquidation of the Russian state. The way out of the military-political impasse is simple; the Russian Federation must issue a law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. There will be a goal, there will be attacks, there will be victory.
    1. +7
      22 October 2023 21: 15
      Quote: Vlad Gor
      The Russian Federation must issue a law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. There will be a goal, there will be attacks, there will be victory.

      So now, the ENTIRE territory of the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, according to the Constitution, is already the territory of Russia. And how did this affect the situation at the front? No loud declarations will win the war.
    2. 0
      22 October 2023 23: 40
      The Russian Federation must issue a law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia.


      That is, you propose to openly admit to the whole world that we are fighting to seize the territory of a neighboring state?
      Are you just not very smart or are you a cunning provocateur?

      Listen better to our commander-in-chief, he constantly repeats this:

      https://rg.ru/2022/03/16/putin-u-rossii-net-celi-okkupirovat-ukrainu.html
      The Russian army did not have and does not have a goal to occupy Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin said.


      https://rg.ru/2023/10/05/putin-ukrainskij-konflikt-ne-territorialnyj-rossii-ne-nuzhny-novye-zemli.html
      Putin: The Ukrainian conflict is not territorial, Russia does not need new lands

      “We have no interests in terms of conquering any additional territories: we still have to develop and develop Siberia, Eastern Siberia, and the Far East,” he said.
      1. +3
        23 October 2023 01: 48
        It’s true, our leadership keeps repeating that Ukraine will remain as a state. But it is clear to the child that any piece of Ukraine left means war again.
        How then should the SVO end? What will our victory look like if it happens?
        In fact, we still see the death of our guys every day (and unpunished insults against them) and the strengthening of Muslims and Kadyrov in particular.
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      3. -2
        23 October 2023 14: 57
        [quotePutin: The Ukrainian conflict is not territorial, Russia does not need new lands][/quote]
        Ukraine is not a new territory for us; it is the original Russian land, for which our ancestors shed rivers of blood, gave tens of millions of lives, built everything there, and invested enormous resources at the expense of all of Russia. And we, their unworthy descendants, allowed all sorts of traitors, crooks, drunkards and swindlers to give this native land to our sworn enemies for nothing, brainlessly, idiotically. And now we are disentangling and paying in full for our unforgivable stupidity, indifference and stupidity.
  46. 0
    22 October 2023 23: 32
    Quote: Eroma
    Putin is not president (lost the election)


    Ahahahah
  47. 0
    23 October 2023 01: 48
    It is not clear why, from the very beginning, the Northern Military District did not plan an operation to encircle, encircle and destroy the Ukrainian troops conducting shelling of Donetsk. Instead of living out hundreds of Russian guys in marching columns near Kiev, it was necessary to do more useful things. Only after 1,5 years did they reach Maryinka and Avdeevka. An obvious mistake by our General Staff and, as a result, a large number of well-trained contract soldiers died near Kiev.
    1. -3
      23 October 2023 04: 41
      The General Staff, Gerasimov demanded a massive artillery preparation before the start of the Northern Military District.
      But the FSB officers did not listen to him.

    2. +3
      23 October 2023 06: 57
      Quote: cast iron
      It is not clear why, from the very beginning, the Northern Military District did not plan an operation to encircle, encircle and destroy the Ukrainian troops conducting shelling of Donetsk. Instead of living out hundreds of Russian guys in marching columns near Kiev, it was necessary to do more useful things. Only after 1,5 years did they reach Maryinka and Avdeevka. An obvious mistake by our General Staff and, as a result, a large number of well-trained contract soldiers died near Kiev.

      Because if successful near Kiev, Avdeevka would not have had to be stormed at all
      1. +1
        23 October 2023 22: 32
        She didn't have to storm. It was necessary to surround them, cut them off from supplies, and cover every square meter with FABs. We still send guys to storm the trenches. 21 century. They laugh at the Americans, but they themselves fight according to the patterns of the 1st World War.
      2. 0
        24 October 2023 14: 11
        And then, if we at the General Staff really thought that with little effort they would achieve success near Kiev, then they are just clinical idiots and should be driven out of the General Staff as soon as possible.
  48. -4
    23 October 2023 04: 37
    We will take Kyiv in three days, and in a week our tanks will be in Lvov!
    Hurray gentlemen comrades!
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  50. 0
    23 October 2023 09: 38
    IMHO, it’s viscous and nothing.
    Fast and slow have their advantages and disadvantages.
    The correct tactics decide quickly or slowly, and ultimately, the result. Whether the goals were achieved or not. But goals and plans are not shared with the population; something wrong is regularly voiced. (remember Naryshkin’s voiceover of goals at a meeting with Putin, which went against the official bullshit?)
    So why guess? Anything can be explained in any sense and in any way.

    One can only reason based on the experience of previous wars - a slow positional offensive is good for grinding down the population.
    Fast and maneuverable - to save damaged areas and people
    1. 0
      27 October 2023 01: 43
      For some reason, both options you have are offensive.
      But simply competent layered defense, which over these few months has shown the best results, does not suit you? Of course, when the enemy is already battered to the maximum on any section of the front, you can slowly advance positions without unnecessary risk to personnel.
  51. 0
    23 October 2023 09: 40
    At any cost - something like not sparing shells, missiles, or bombs. For that side.
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    1. +2
      23 October 2023 19: 25
      And then the whole country needs to work hard, but in our country most of the country lives as usual, concerts, shows, entertainment. People, of course, are not to blame, it was up there that they decided that it was possible like this.
    2. 0
      24 October 2023 17: 36
      Who told you that conditions are favorable now? Why did you believe the TV about the “huge losses” of the Ukronazis? What makes you think that losses in the Russian army are minimal? Let me remind you that last September Shoigu officially confirmed that 6000 Russian soldiers and officers had been killed. Further, Prigozhin, after the capture of Bakhmut, officially announced the death of 20000 Wagnerites during the Bakhmut battle. The losses of the Moscow Region were not announced at all, but they held the flanks of the city. Those. already 26000 killed, not counting the wounded. The Ukrainian counter-offensive has been going on since June without stopping every day. What do you think are the losses of the Russian army? I'm afraid to disappoint you, but they are huge. Huge, compared, for example, with the losses of US troops in their previous wars. There is a real meat grinder going on. Thousands of men are dying on both sides. I'm not talking about civilians - just as many of them are dying. What they say on the Internet and TV is lies, propaganda, fiction, speculation and disinformation. You will learn the truth about this war in a few decades from the historical studies of normal, unbiased scientists. I came to the conclusion that Putin started this war wrong. It was necessary to dig in in the DPR and LPR and wait for an attack from the Ukronazis, and not go into suicidal attacks on Kyiv and Kharkov.
      .
  54. 0
    23 October 2023 16: 06
    Take it definitely, perhaps in a “Z”-shaped move from an unexpected direction from afar from the rear... It’s best from underground in combination with an airborne assault. Confuse the enemy in underground labyrinths. Mine all roads and fields in three rings around the city. Build an earthen rampart above the waste heap.
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  56. +1
    23 October 2023 19: 23
    A lot of words and all about nothing.
    One thing is clear - we don’t know how to attack, are we learning? Rave
  57. -2
    23 October 2023 21: 23
    I thought with the speed that ours were advancing, we could easily dig tunnels underground for many kilometers behind enemy lines. We need machines to dig tunnels. Not from the sky, but from underground we can go behind enemy lines. Dig a kilometer and go to the rear, bypassing the minefields. Take the experience of Hamas and Iran as they dig tunnels underground.
    There are many miners among the residents of Donbass, so let them dig behind enemy lines. Dig a little and send in more special forces and the enemy will start running back when he sees our troops in his rear
    1. +1
      23 October 2023 22: 20
      it’s like in the Middle Ages during sieges of cities. The besiegers dig tunnels, and the besieged come towards them to explode their barrel of gunpowder on their way.
      1. +1
        24 October 2023 17: 44
        During the First World War, entire cities were still being dug under battlefields.
    2. +1
      24 October 2023 02: 08
      Well, they dig in and what next? Heavy equipment will not fit into these tunnels, and without it in the current situation there is nothing to do even in the rear.
  58. 0
    24 October 2023 09: 11
    The tunnels will help block the fortress using sabotage on communications. I’m not sure that there is a real blockade of the garrison with a cutoff of electricity, gas, and water. Surely the supply of ammunition, weapons and food has not been stopped. Residents must be provided with corridors and immediately forced to evacuate. It is unthinkable that there is a military registration and enlistment office in the city that conducts mobilization.
  59. 0
    24 October 2023 09: 28
    The speed of driving a roadway of normal cross-section in rocky soils using drilling and blasting equipment is approximately 100 m/month. Drilling a well with core sampling and hydraulic transport in weak rocks 100 m/day. Here we are dealing with black soil and clay, which can be penetrated by horizontal drilling with a diameter of 1 m with hydraulic soil transport at a speed of, say, 300 m per week in straight sections. You can walk 1 km in a month, but you need to solve the problem with fastening. Direct generation is very vulnerable during hostilities, i.e. a broken line with numerous technological niches is required, which will require breaks in excavation and numerous relocations of the drilling rig. A battery-powered self-propelled harvester can immediately make winding moves, but here the speed will be limited due to loading and delivery operations and a large cross-section. But such workings are suitable for the movement of armored personnel carriers and towed artillery.
  60. 0
    24 October 2023 13: 10
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces consume up to 7 thousand shells per day. About 200 thousand tons per month. 300 thousand for a season will not be enough.
  61. -1
    24 October 2023 14: 22
    some kind of stream of consciousness
    the Americans and Putin agreed to limit hostilities to the territory of Ukraine in 1991 and scrupulously follow these agreements; How many SCALP and StormShadow missiles have been delivered and at least one of them has reached at least the Bryansk semiconductor plant, which rivets power electronics for air defense 24 hours a day? No
    So why does Ukraine need medium-range missiles if there is nowhere to fire them anyway?
  62. -1
    24 October 2023 15: 41
    I would like to ask the author of this analytical article why our military department keeps pulling the cat by the tail. At least one strategically important bridge or tunnel in the West has not yet been destroyed. Ukraine, 750 kV substation. or at least the Banderlog office on Bankovaya, similar to the fleet headquarters in Sevas! After all, everyone has been asking the question for a long time - what or who is stopping them?
    1. +1
      25 October 2023 18: 06
      The strategic bridge in Zatoka has been destroyed. This required 10-15 strikes over 15 months. But this bridge is very convenient for striking, because there is access from the sea, there are great difficulties in protecting its air defense, etc.
  63. -1
    25 October 2023 12: 37
    The whole problem of the Russian army is the balance of forces. Since the beginning of the Northern Military District, there has been a chronic lack of strength, despite the fact that Russia has 5 times more population, enormous potential for weapons production, and Ukraine is not somewhere overseas.
    There was a passion in the small army of Rambovites with prodigies, air superiority and all these military-technical illusions of the recent past. And unfortunately, all this has not been fully realized to this day.
    1. 0
      27 October 2023 01: 55
      So what if Russia has a slightly larger population? Are you proposing to put everyone there in an attack on fortified areas? We must fight not with numbers, but with skill!
      It is necessary to master already developed and successfully tested weapons for mass production! Then there will be an effect and a huge positive result!
  64. 0
    27 October 2023 01: 34
    In general, I agree with the author.
  65. -1
    16 November 2023 22: 34
    ...You should not look for and “unravel” traces of a black cat in a dark room... Moreover, it was not there...
    ...The Kremlin, due to the incompetence of foreign intelligence, the relevant diplomatic services, or rather, their leadership, rudely got into a serious military conflict with a neighboring state in a completely inappropriate or suitable way - for the military-political situation that had developed at that time...
    ..The columns of our heroes who broke through to Kyiv, as you know, were not met by anyone with flowers...
    ...On the contrary, there was a fairly high surge of Ukrainian-patriotism and the rallying of the population around the generally unloved, unpopular and even despised local authorities... Around the clowns...
    There were even lines at the military registration and enlistment offices...
    (About which at that time our zealous propagandists somehow modestly kept silent!)
    ...Then, completely treacherous gestures towards the RF Armed Forces - gestures of “good will” and outright Istanbul scam of the Kremlin “wise men” by these same Kyiv clowns...
    As a result, in addition to the shelling of the territories of Donbass and Luhansk region, unpunished firing by the Ukrainian Wehrmacht was added to the original Russian territories...
    ...Then the defiantly unpunished supply of dill with Western weapons, fortunately not the newest and, in general, quite measured, but increasingly...
    ...Then - shameful regroupings, and the abandonment by the Ukrainian Reich (in a matter of days) of territories that had been taken in bloody battles for months...
    ...Part of the population that supported the liberators was vilely thrown to be torn to pieces by the executioners...
    (This is domestic propaganda, somehow it wasn’t spread much either...)
    Naturally, the authority of the Russian Federation has fallen by another order of magnitude for the locals...
    ...In general, we can continue...

    Among the successes - the capture of Mariupol, Bakhmut, repelling the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Wehrmacht... Inflicting huge losses on the Banderlogs...
    But these defeats and losses did not cause either a military coup in the Ukrainian Reich or a popular uprising...
    On the contrary - despite the croaking of our pen and microphone workers - Zelensky’s authority in the dill has grown, and from a clown he has turned into a rather dangerous and inconvenient for the Kremlin - an enemy politician who has a certain weight and authority in the West...
    And not going to tear the claws from the native dill and give up...
    And the huge losses (about half a million), again, did not at all add to the Ukrainians’ fiery love for the Russian Federation...

    ...In the second year of the conflict, we have the same thing - our army is not allowed to fight by politicians, who to this day do not have, there is no clear strategic plan for exiting the current situation... Military and political...
    They act purely according to circumstances... and by touch, and make loud statements, which in the West they spit on from a high bell tower... etc.

    ...It's not about the Avdeevka, there are hundreds of such Avdeevkas - before Lemberg..., so what - for each twenty thousand Russian guys should lay down their heads?..

    ...What is needed is not our own, BUT A REAL MILITARY OPERATION TO FORCE the Nazi leadership of the Ukrop region TO PEACE..., similar to the brilliantly carried out once in relation to presumptuous Georgia...
    ...And for this, the Kremlin is obliged to untie the hands of the Russian military... Not to interfere with their fight...

    If the Russian Federation had enough strength to defeat the Georgian armed forces in a matter of days (by the way, very well equipped and armed with NATO weapons!..), and - the planning of the database was carried out, most likely, - on the move, “on the knee” - then, then, not the best time for the Russian Armed Forces, then in modern conditions our Troops are COMPLETELY CAPABLE of repeating this with the Ukrovermacht...
    THEY JUST DON'T GIVE THEM... (For strange reasons...)

    A wave of elections will sweep in the West... Everything will most likely settle down..., more or less... And sooner or later...
    And dill, in the end, will be accepted into NATO as an exception, even in a damaged, truncated form...
    But the worst thing will happen - if these demon-people create themselves..., or get their hands on nuclear weapons...
    And sooner or later the irresponsible “wait-and-see” policy of the Kremlin will lead to this...
    (What could happen to the “protected” civilian population of both sides of the conflict in the event of the use of nuclear weapons by the Ukrainian Nationalists is not difficult to guess...)
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      16 November 2023 23: 01
      Some blinkered, hobbled “patriot” put a minus at the moment...
      First, read it carefully, help (if you have anything, of course), and don’t write in boiling water - right away!..