Avdeevsky boiler?

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Avdeevsky boiler?

I read Russian Telegram channels and am surprised at how some readers comment on the intensification of hostilities near Avdeevka. For some reason, most readers are expecting an assault on the city and the quick destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. At the same time, they completely ignore the change in tactics of our formations.

There is no attack on Avdeevka yet!



The Russian Army is attacking from the north and south of the city. The goal is clear. Take the city into a ring. Eliminate the possibility of supply and rotation of personnel. Today this is obvious. The city itself is now being treated very seriously by artillery and aerospace forces. We are destroying military facilities that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have built over the years of being in this suburb of Donetsk.

I will not analyze how the operation to liberate Avdeevka is going. Today I will simply answer all readers at once. Straight to point.

The questions are very often repeated, and this will not be difficult to do. This is my opinion, my conclusions. In no way connected with any exclusive data from our military or any other sources.

Answers to readers


So, why did it take us so long to start the operation to liberate the city?

It seems to me that the main obstacle to the start of the operation was the presence of toxic substances at the coke plant.

There was no exact information about the quantity of such substances. Thus, a strike on the plant could lead to the contamination of a vast territory and the death of the civilian population of the DPR.

I think that intelligence has worked out this issue, and now we know how much is stored, where and how...

Well, the second reason is the “counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.”

Spreading your energy in such a situation is simply stupid. Even now, attempts to attack in small groups continue.

We will destroy Ukrainian units in the same way as before. Avoid hand-to-hand combat whenever possible. Artillery, drones, VKS and everything that allows you to destroy the enemy from a distance. The fighters must be pitied and not thrown into an assault on the defensive positions without appropriate processing of enemy positions.

Well, and the climate factor.

Autumn soon. The same slush and dirt that will stop heavy equipment. So, given the possibilities aviation The Armed Forces of Ukraine will have nowhere to wait for help for the Avdeevka garrison. The supply will be completely cut off. No ammunition, no replenishment, no food...

Now about the system of underground passages.

Oddly enough, many experts, including active military personnel, write about underground passages as one of the dangers. The Wehrmacht soldiers sit in them during shelling, and during an attack they will crawl out of their holes, and then the task will be very complicated. I even read from someone that the Avdeevka subway is quite comparable to the Mariupol Azovstal.

Let me remind you that the Russian Army has already taken underground structures in Mariupol, Artemovsk and other cities. So we have experience working with such defenses. I specifically consulted with those who are familiar with the Avdiivka subway. It is very far from the Mariupol underground structures. Although it can fray quite a few nerves.

I don’t think that the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not study the experience of fighting in Azovstal. This means they understand that after encircling the city they will have three options. Or retreat at the first opportunity, breaking through the cauldron. This is, of course, doubtful, but a chance. Or give up. If you're lucky. Or go to Bandera for an audience.

Well, we know and know how to make the life of underground rats unbearable.

Next is the question of why the Ukrainian Armed Forces units were unable to organize defense to the north and south of the city. After all, the cornice was visible even to non-military readers.

I will disappoint some. The defense was well organized and equipped. Our scouts helped a lot. The operation began at the moment when the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to rotate personnel. Change of divisions!

The old people have moved away, but the newcomers have not yet taken a closer look. And immediately under a massive blow from our artillery. Moreover, some military officers, whom I certainly believe, say that such processing of LBS has not been seen since the beginning of the SVO.

In general, a classic of offensive operations. They hit me with a large and trained fist.

Well, the last question about the prospects.

I think I have already answered this question. The APU is waiting for another boiler. Another defeat. But in order for this cauldron to take place, very serious efforts must be made. The operation has just begun.

We summarize


The need for such an operation has been obvious for a long time. How long can you tolerate bullying of the residents of Donetsk and the villages adjacent to it. It is known that the main attacks on the civilian population were carried out from Avdiivka. Of course, the liberation of this suburb will not completely solve the problem of shelling of Donetsk, but it will significantly reduce the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

In addition, the Ukrainian Armed Forces spent almost eight years building this fortified area. Defense lines were concreted, defensive structures were erected and engineering equipment was installed. This is a huge amount of work that requires not only money, but also time. In the event of the loss of Avdiivka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces simply will not have enough time to create something similar somewhere else.

In general, according to my observations, the initiative passes to the Russian troops.

Having exhausted the Ukrainian Armed Forces with active defense, we are going on the offensive. What was supposed to happen is happening.

I don't think the offensive will be global. It is enough for us to improve the positions of our units and from there continue to grind the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As Zelensky rightly says, time is on our side.
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  1. +17
    15 October 2023 05: 22
    Isolating the database area from the supply of reserves is the primary task...taking such fortified areas head-on is too expensive.
    I agree with the author that the emphasis should be placed on artillery, aviation, reconnaissance and the creation of a cauldron for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Avdievka... and boil the stubborn Ukronatsiks there to the end.
    1. +11
      15 October 2023 06: 18
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Taking such fortified areas head-on is too expensive.

      No matter where you go, you will run into a fortified area. Just any populated area, or a city with its stone buildings, and a developed system of underground communications, especially a section of terrain in itself that can easily be converted into an SD.
      Yes, it is necessary to surround and “cook” the HFU in this “cauldron” until it is ready, and without the supply of MTO it will come quickly.
      And don’t forget to open a couple of corridors for the “peaceful” to exit and surrender, towards Donetsk. And let everyone go through filtering.
      1. +9
        15 October 2023 10: 39
        Quote: svp67
        yes developed underground communications system
        Why isn't water pumped in there? Not even to drown, but just to sit underground, knee-deep in cold water, it became uncomfortable.
      2. +1
        15 October 2023 11: 32
        Quote: svp67
        No matter where you go, you will run into a fortified area.

        This means we need to move the impact site back 20-50 km. It cannot be along the entire length of the NP. You need to be able to attack. In the Second World War, offensive operations were carried out from the very beginning of the war and only by 43. more or less learned, by 44 they reached perfection. For 1.5 years, not a single one was carried out (Bakhmut does not count - a frontal assault). Therefore, everything will not work out right away, we will get into trouble and study and study again. This is precisely why the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is dangerous, that they are also learning and, according to the law of the transition of quantity to quality, sooner or later they will succeed. Moreover, losses are not a deterrent for them.
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    2. +11
      15 October 2023 09: 02
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Isolating the database area from the supply of reserves is the primary task...taking such fortified areas head-on is too expensive.
      I agree with the author that the emphasis should be placed on artillery, aviation, reconnaissance and the creation of a cauldron for the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Avdievka... and boil the stubborn Ukronatsiks there to the end.

      Isolating an area is good, but how to supply those isolating? Roughly speaking, some of our units on a narrow front will be able to break through and stand between Avdeevka and Novobakhmutovka, but what next? The insulating parts will sit in the bare field. No supply of ammunition or evacuation of the wounded, under constant counterattacks from both sides. And the enemy will be sitting in a fortified area with a large supply of ammunition. Thus, either it is necessary to cut off the garrison in a wide strip with the capture of fortifications west of Avdeevka (all the same battle head-on), or combine a breakthrough in a narrow area with a massive assault on Avdeevka itself (again a head-on battle).
      1. +1
        15 October 2023 22: 50
        I will answer your question. Everything is solved easier. We need to go on the offensive not on one, but on several key sectors of the front. Then the Ukrainian will run and abandon everything, just as the Germans did in their time. Preparations are underway for this, and it will happen one hundred percent!
        1. 0
          16 October 2023 10: 45
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          I will answer your question. Everything is solved easier. We need to go on the offensive not on one, but on several key sectors of the front. Then the Ukrainian will run and abandon everything, just as the Germans did in their time. Preparations are underway for this, and it will happen one hundred percent!

          The Red Army had a double numerical superiority in infantry and a multiple in tanks, which is why the Germans fled. Now there is nothing even close to this.
          1. 0
            23 October 2023 06: 40
            This is a profitable business. Every day, about 1500 people sign contracts, the mighty UVZ is increasing production
        2. -2
          16 October 2023 13: 20
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          I will answer your question. Everything is solved easier. We need to go on the offensive not on one, but on several key sectors of the front. Then the Ukrainian will run and abandon everything, just as the Germans did in their time. Preparations are underway for this, and it will happen one hundred percent!

          In all offensive operations after 43, the Soviet troops had an advantage in men and equipment. They did not stand on ceremony with the cities. Or do you want to turn Kharkov and Odessa into Mariupol?
    3. +8
      15 October 2023 14: 05
      DAY FIVE
      “Everyone knows that during an offensive, assault groups go ahead. But few people know that each assault group is reinforced with 1-2 sappers. And now these sappers are already ahead of the assault group. Not intelligence, not special forces - sappers! The density of mining on the approaches to the trenches is very high. Our mines, NATO mines...
      Today there is again little progress. But there are several impassable areas. We will embrace you, take you into a ring.
      There are losses... there are. There is no offensive without losses.
      The battle turns into a war of drones, tanks and artillery. Who can hide more cunningly, suppress the enemy bird, cover the assault troops, tank crews, or rather place the shell... We work every day. We sleep in any position, in clothes and armor at any free moment. But the most important thing is that we are moving forward.”
      https://t.me/vozhak_Z/449
    4. +6
      15 October 2023 14: 39
      And so far it’s all over the place, it won’t work any other way. You need to look for where the forehead is not so strong and create conditions for breaking through. And besides, the cauldron is two lines of defense (and offensive), internal and external, which require forces and means.
    5. +3
      16 October 2023 08: 57
      The task is primary, but not completed. Unlike the enemy, who immediately destroyed the most important bridge, complicating our logistics significantly. In the end, we have what we have. In addition, Murz made an important remark regarding shells from a fresh supply, the weight distribution of which differs by kilograms. What shooting accuracy can we talk about in this case? That is, there is no military acceptance at all. Lunar landscapes around entire fortifications do not help us at all.
    6. 0
      19 October 2023 16: 05
      Fortified area is a strong word for military dugouts: https://dzen.ru/a/YqRXr8MESVLCGIvj
  2. +11
    15 October 2023 06: 05
    To launch an offensive again at the enemy’s most fortified point (since the beginning of the Northern Military District they tried to liberate Avdeevka more than once and precisely with converging attacks on the flanks from the city) is a dubious decision. From a strategic point of view, this does not give us anything; from a tactical point of view, it gives us a partial improvement in the situation in Donetsk and a break in the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (since even 1 to 1 losses will suit us, and the enemy will not leave Avdeevka).
    But without a stamp of approval, we write on a simple basis, decisions of a strategic nature require a change in the political component, and since this does not exist, we will continue to push the enemy out of Donbass.
    For now, we can finally note that the offensive is being conducted competently, they are trying to advance behind the barrage of fire, and are actively using aviation (although we cannot suppress the air defense yet and, accordingly, it is not possible to simply bomb the enemy’s fortifications).
    There is progress, but the offensive is difficult, they are very well entrenched there. I hope to liberate Avdeevka by spring.
    1. +3
      15 October 2023 06: 22
      Quote: Belisarius
      I hope to liberate Avdeevka by spring.

      Let's see, I'm more optimistic for now...
      1. +5
        15 October 2023 08: 47
        Let's see. However, the reason why they could not liberate Avdeevka until this moment is simple. There is no strength for this. With the existing parity of ground forces, this is problematic to do, even now, with our complete superiority in the air. Everything there is too fortified
    2. +13
      15 October 2023 08: 08
      From all calibers it flies across Avdiivka - “losses of 1 to 1 would suit you.” Do you think dropped fabs have some kind of healing, resurrecting property at all times? You would be happy with 1 to 1 losses, but I, a resident of Russia, would be happy with the option of no losses, just burying them with bombs and suffocating them in a cauldron.
      1. +13
        15 October 2023 14: 29
        Quote from Dimm588
        From all calibers it flies across Avdiivka - “losses of 1 to 1 would suit you.” Do you think dropped fabs have some kind of healing, resurrecting property at all times?

        The losses of the attackers, and even on such a fortification as Avdievka, are a priori much higher than the losses of the defenders. The enemy during his offensive in Zaporozhye lost 7-8 to 1. Moreover, the fortifications there are smaller than in Avdeevka.
        Quote from Dimm588
        You would be happy with 1 to 1 losses, but I, a resident of Russia, would be happy with the option of no losses, just burying them with bombs and suffocating them in a cauldron.

        To write this considering how many attacks on this Avdeevka there have already been since the beginning of the Northern Military District and what losses there have been is simply indecent. If, with the help of gliding bombs, artillery, etc., it is possible to take Avdiivka with losses of 1 to 1, it will be a truly great success and a great achievement.
        To write for the 20th month of the Northern Military District that you can take everything there “without losses” with “bombs” alone means that you have no idea what is happening there in reality
        1. +5
          15 October 2023 15: 30
          Belisarius. I support it, but I can’t resist. The author wants to accuse our command of incompetence? Looks like it. He believes that the main reason for the delay in the attack on Avdievka is, I quote: "the main obstacle to the start of the operation was the presence of toxic substances at the coke plant"And this is against the backdrop of completely successful assaults on the BP plant in Rubezhnoye and the chemical plant in Severodonetsk! In fact, coke-chemical production is just the least toxic to the environment compared to the two industries I listed. AKHZ products are coke, sulfuric acid, benzene and some what a little detail. When warehouses are bombed, coke and benzene will burn on the spot. Sulfuric acid is non-volatile and does not float.
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        2. +6
          15 October 2023 16: 19
          These reasonings are characteristic of the 14th century, when there were no bombs and drones and artillery and much more, and already in the 17th century, Suvorov could easily launch an attack on many times superior defending forces and win, and you have a complete a priori, as if some kind of truth That. So they take fortifications, throw bombs, artillery, drones, shoot them with tanks, and then the attacking side “which a priori” should suffer heavy losses, comes in and pokes the charred bodies. Of course, this doesn't always happen. But a priori, your a priori is a little more than completely wrong.
          1. +1
            16 October 2023 06: 09
            Suvorov could easily go on an attack against many times superior defending forces and win,

            Yes, Suvorov launched attacks against defending forces that were many times superior, but I would still clarify when these forces were Turks, and Turkey by that time was the “sick man of Europe” and backward in all respects (including military) country. But in Switzerland, during the war with the French, Alexander Vasilyevich somehow did not strive to attack the enemy’s many times superior forces (quite reasonable). And Kutuzov acted boldly and unusually in Moldova against numerous Turkish troops and fought against Napoleon in a completely different way. Stop throwing your hats, we need to take care of our soldiers!
    3. BAI
      +4
      15 October 2023 11: 21
      The population there does not have enough water for their daily needs.
  3. +2
    15 October 2023 06: 18
    “Let me remind you that the Russian Army has already taken underground structures in Mariupol, Artemovsk and other cities.”
    Is it possible to tell us more about underground structures, especially in other cities? in Mariupol, as all sorts of military correspondents have repeatedly stated, there were only underground technological channels and a factory bomb shelter. How long can you lie?
    “The Wehrmacht soldiers sit in them during shelling, and during an attack they will crawl out of their holes, and then the task will be very complicated. I even read from someone, that the Avdeevka subway is quite comparable to the Mariupol Azovstal."
    “I specifically consulted with those who are familiar with the Avdiivka subway. It is very far from the Mariupol underground structures."
    What did the author want to say with these thought forms? or did he simply increase the number of bookoffs?
    “Well, the last question about the prospects. I think that I have already answered this question. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are waiting for another cauldron. Another defeat.”
    don't believe it, it's a staver. no matter how much he scribbled laughing
    1. +1
      15 October 2023 14: 15
      Quote: ZloyKot
      Is it possible to tell us more about underground structures, especially in other cities?

      We’ll read more in the memoirs after the SVO. Including the salt mines of Soledar.
      For tens, if not hundreds, of years, the entire Donbass has been dug up and down by mines and mines.
      1. +1
        16 October 2023 08: 39
        "Including the salt mines of Soledar."
        Well? there are some, so what? You can't fight from the mines, you can hide
  4. +10
    15 October 2023 06: 32
    However, before thinking about the environment, it is necessary, at a minimum, to cut the railway and road lines.
    In addition, no matter how cruel it was, in order to achieve an advance of the front, an offensive by ground forces was necessary. To do this you need to suffer losses.
    If casualties are undesirable, then “special military operations” should not be launched.
    The most ridiculous phrase I have heard since I was born: retreating to a more advantageous position.
    1. +4
      15 October 2023 14: 20
      Quote from: 陈乐为
      If casualties are undesirable, then “special military operations” should not be launched.

      There is such a concept - minimizing losses while inflicting maximum losses on the enemy.
      1. -1
        16 October 2023 14: 34
        But everything must be aimed at winning, and if the army cannot hold out, suffering short-term losses, it cannot win.
        When a war begins, it is necessary to end it as soon as possible, otherwise your own losses will be higher, and you will not be able to deliver a fatal blow to the enemy.
      2. -1
        16 October 2023 14: 40
        In Severodonetsk, did you inflict maximum damage on the enemy? The main part of the Ukrainian army successfully retreated, and three months later they took Krasny Liman. You handed over the T-90M Proryv to Kyiv. Do you have small losses?
        I do not understand.
  5. +1
    15 October 2023 07: 10
    "Some readers demand an answer"
    It was possible to send them beautifully and “forest”!
  6. +9
    15 October 2023 07: 24
    “I will not analyze how the operation to liberate Avdeevka is going.”
    Blank article. Why did you write...?
  7. +6
    15 October 2023 07: 52
    God grant good luck, everything is possible with good command and supplies.
  8. +6
    15 October 2023 07: 52
    God grant good luck, everything is possible with good command and supplies.
  9. -1
    15 October 2023 09: 33
    Without tight control of the territory of the railway north of the coke plant and the heights near the steppe + control of the northern one, it will not be possible to create any real pressure on the supply of Avdeevka piglets. Real pressure is created when you have the opportunity to attack along supply lines with ATGMs, AGS, the ability to shine a laser on a target and work with large rifle calibers. Using an ordinary artillery weapon to hit some kind of motorcycle league that brings something up at speed is a lottery.
    1. +2
      15 October 2023 22: 40
      Not a lottery, but a calculation of the consumption of shells. A barrage fire is placed along the motorway. There won’t be a direct hit, but out of 30 shells, one will land close enough and cut you with shrapnel.
  10. +3
    15 October 2023 09: 35
    Apparently, the offensive was again stuck in a positional deadlock - about which quite a lot has already been written.
  11. +5
    15 October 2023 09: 41
    Vaginal, vague and generally about nothing. But there is experience in storming a fortified city in the shortest possible time with minimal losses. This is Koenisberg. I imagine if the front commander Vasilevsky justified his refusal to storm this fortress with powerful enemy fortifications. Instead, preparations were made and in 4 days everything was taken with irrevocable losses of 1100 people. Those who want are looking for opportunities, and those who don’t want are looking for excuses.
  12. +9
    15 October 2023 10: 10
    No, if the Author had been there and participated, then that’s one thing.
    And so, sitting on a warm chair at the computer, convincing others sitting at the computer that everything is going according to plan, even though it is unknown, is a little forced.

    Unknown “some readers” want more, and we have to console them that everything is fine? Oh well.
  13. +8
    15 October 2023 10: 18
    If the Kremlin sage had not been soaring in his rose-colored dreams of a victorious march to fanfare to Lvov, but had given the order to the General Staff of the Moscow Region, as the Supreme Civil Code, to fulfill his next pretentious promise to liberate the entire territory of the LDPR, sending forces and means, including and for the ill-fated Avdeevka fortified area, how many human lives of Donbass residents would have been saved...
    in February 22 it was possible to save the Donetsk agglomeration from the horror of daily artillery shelling with relatively little bloodshed... at that time in Avdievka there were fewer forces, and the weapons were an order of magnitude simpler...
    I only hope that bloody and meaty assaults like Mariupol and Bakhmut will not be repeated... although this is not a fact...
  14. +6
    15 October 2023 11: 26
    I agree with the author. Probably the first time in this “NWO” when they remembered the experience of the Second World War.
    Until the fortified area is isolated from supplies, it is pointless to storm it. Only losses.
    And if the ring is closed, the fortification is doomed. Be it Brest or Koenigsberg. How long did Mariupol with all its underground inhabitants last there? wink

    Have you really remembered the basics? I wonder who is in charge there...
    1. +5
      15 October 2023 14: 32
      Quote: Arzt
      Have you really remembered the basics? I wonder who is in charge there...

      Do you really think that Avdeevka is such a separate fortified area in itself? No one has ever broken into Avdeevka directly. All attacks were aimed at encircling the enemy, bypassing Avdeevka, but everything there was mined and targeted far and wide. Such an advance today has become possible thanks to the work done to knock out the Ukrop artillery and reduce the supply of ammunition to the remaining ones. Now the dill are feverishly pulling artillery from other directions to Artyomovsk, weakening it in other sectors of the front.
      Yesterday, Marat Khairulin, who was there, answered in detail in an interview with PolitVera on this topic.
  15. BAI
    +12
    15 October 2023 11: 43
    Returned from new territories. Mangush town. The only place along the Novoazovsk-Mariupol road where there is a burial associated with the war. More than a hundred graves. The years of birth are different, there is even 1941. And death is March 10-20, 2022. Mostly men, at least I didn’t see women, but I didn’t watch everything. The village was blocked. The locals tried to escape. I don’t know who shot. And this is in a small village. How many will there be in a large settlement? The burial is slightly to the right of the reservoir.
    [Center]
  16. 0
    15 October 2023 11: 43
    There is just one caveat. If we advance at the given pace, then everything will be fine. And if we change the pace of the offensive, as was the case in Artyomovsk and as is now happening in the Kharkov direction, then the consequences could be very disastrous.
  17. BAI
    +3
    15 October 2023 11: 43
    Returned from new territories. Mangush town. The only place along the Novoazovsk-Mariupol road where there is a burial associated with the war. More than a hundred graves. The years of birth are different, there is even 1941. And death is March 10-20, 2022. Mostly men, at least I didn’t see women, but I didn’t watch everything. The village was blocked. The locals tried to escape. I don’t know who shot. And this is in a small village. How many will there be in a large settlement? The burial is slightly to the right of the reservoir.
    [Center]
  18. +3
    15 October 2023 11: 58
    If we manage to cut off the Avdeevka ledge, it will be a serious victory and relief for the Donetsk agglomeration. There will be no time before the thaw; in the winter everything will be decided.
  19. +7
    15 October 2023 14: 21
    But the author doesn’t want to clarify which settlements were taken along the encirclement route? Or at least how many kilometers are the northern and southern “pincers” advancing?
  20. +5
    15 October 2023 14: 43
    They write all the time that concrete strengthening work has been carried out in Avdeevka for eight years, as I understand it, bombs and missiles are flying at them, and they are mixing the mortar? Brad, maybe that's enough already.
    1. +1
      16 October 2023 08: 46
      “As I understand it, bombs and missiles are flying at them, and they are mixing the solution? Nonsense, maybe that’s enough already.”
      they are also digging the “subway” at this time laughing
  21. -1
    15 October 2023 15: 33
    Not so simple. This meat grinder is cooler than Bakhmut and Mariupol combined. The Wehrmacht has 14 brigades concentrated there, i.e. approximately 50-60 thousand poops in reinforced concrete shelters.

    Heavy fighting is taking place in the Avdeevsky direction; in the first XNUMX hours, many tanks and other equipment were lost on our side during the assault on the waste heap.

    At the moment, all roads to Avdeevka are under fire control of Russian artillery. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are sending in reinforcements with heavy losses.

    The real situation at the site is still unknown.

    It is only known that the waste heap passed from hand to hand and control over it is extremely important.
  22. +1
    15 October 2023 15: 56
    The fate of Avdeevka is predetermined, it’s a matter of time. Yes, a lot of things didn’t work out. Kyiv in three days - no! With fanfare to Lviv - no. Blitzkrieg is a failure. It’s just that something was not planned, and something was not a military but a political, rather a mental, mistake. After all, we planned to liberate the fraternal people from the fascists, but we had to fight a fascist nation.
    But this is what we took seriously.
    And the set real goals were achieved in Mariupol, Bakhmut. at what cost is another question, but the enemy was defeated.
    There is confidence that they have taken Avdeevka seriously this time.
    And if the counterattack ends with its fall, then the consequences will go beyond the local.
    By the way, retreating to advantageous positions is about the Surovikin line, if anything.
  23. 0
    15 October 2023 16: 08
    I believe that Israel is with us. After the demolition of residential areas of Gaza, Avdeevka did not have much time left.
  24. +1
    15 October 2023 16: 38
    For some reason, most readers are expecting an assault on the city and the quick destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    I'm not waiting. I would like them to be taken into the cauldron. The shelling of Donetsk without the supply of ammunition will stop anyway. And let the Banderlogs die slowly and surely in the cauldron. And don’t take prisoners from there, because it was these creatures who shot civilians for 9 years.
    1. +2
      15 October 2023 17: 37
      If you methodically throw the FAB-1500, then by the end of the year there will be no support workers in the houses, all exits from the underground fortifications will either be destroyed or blocked. maybe an assault won't even be needed
    2. +2
      16 October 2023 08: 54
      "The shelling of Donetsk without the supply of ammunition will stop anyway."
      Don’t forget about Marinka, it’s also nearby. there is somewhere to shoot. and Avdeevka, well, they’ll surround her, maybe even take her, so what, the end of the war? no, the enemy will retreat a couple of kilometers and continue his work. They also wrote about bakhmut - let’s go to Kyiv! for some reason it didn't work out
  25. +1
    15 October 2023 18: 03
    The APU is waiting for another boiler. Another defeat. But in order for this cauldron to take place, very serious efforts must be made. The operation has just begun.
    Well, yes, yes ... winked
    V. Shurygin. About the situation near Avdeevka.
    It didn't work out quickly to surround her. If the northern wing powerfully moved forward and by the end of the day occupied a strategically important height - the waste heap at Koksokhim, then the south ran into the Ukrainian defense, began to act in a stereotyped manner, suffered losses and, in the end, failed to cope with the task. The command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces almost immediately assessed the scale of the threat and began to transfer human reserves and artillery here, even using expensive Highmars to strike our advancing infantry and stabilized the situation by morning. By this morning, the operation had taken on, already familiar in this war, the character of a “battle for the forester’s hut” - heavy battles for each strong point. Berdychi, Stepovoye and Opytnoye act as the “forester’s hut”. There is a continuous exchange of artillery strikes. Having a significant superiority in the number of artillery, however, in counter-battery combat we still cannot effectively suppress long-range Ukrainian self-propelled guns, which are constantly changing their positions, delivering their attacks from distances where our artillery practically does not reach, covering our attacking formations and pinning the infantry to the ground. Although the work of the Lancets is effective, their response speed does not allow them to quickly “shut up” the Ukrainian artillery. “Lancets” are more “hunters” than “response”. When the front will finally see systems capable of effectively and efficiently fighting Ukrainian artillery, one can only guess.
    In the next XNUMX hours, we can expect powerful counterattacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which will try to recapture lost positions.

    https://t.me/ramzayiegokomanda/5158
    1. +2
      15 October 2023 18: 51
      Quote: WFP-1
      Although the work of the Lancets is effective, their response speed does not allow them to quickly “shut up” the Ukrainian artillery. “Lancets” are more “hunters” than “response”. When the front will finally see systems capable of effectively and efficiently fighting Ukrainian artillery, one can only guess.

      It was precisely because of the effective work of the Lancets that the Ukrainian artillery switched to night shelling of the positions of the Russian Armed Forces, when the Lancets do not go out hunting.
      1. +1
        15 October 2023 19: 09
        Elementary - night. Just catch them in heat mode.
        1. +4
          15 October 2023 19: 36
          Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
          Elementary - night. Just catch them in heat mode.

          Most of the Lancet-type kamikaze UAVs produced are equipped only with a daytime color television (TV) camera, the image obtained from which we see in videos of destruction of enemy targets.
          The problem is that thermal imagers are very expensive. Even civilian models with acceptable image quality cost several thousand dollars, and the cost of military models is much higher. In addition, in Russia there may be a certain shortage of thermal imaging matrices - it is one thing to use them in the sights of conditionally “reusable” armored vehicles, and another to send them on their “last journey” on a kamikaze UAV.
          1. -1
            15 October 2023 20: 28
            No need for image quality. All you need is a temperature difference... or a sharp surge in heat release. This is not a classic thermal imager - it is similar to the IR homing head of a MANPADS missile.
    2. 0
      16 October 2023 09: 04
      "delivering our strikes from distances where our artillery practically cannot reach,"
      where artillery is lacking, there are all sorts of hurricanes and tornadoes, which have their own drones, as we were told more zealously. There is even aviation, there is other drugs. there are a lot of things. there is just no desire to fight, at all levels
    3. 0
      20 October 2023 22: 11
      If the professional optimist Shurygin writes this...
  26. -1
    15 October 2023 18: 46
    I won’t predict anything for now. Early. Do what you have in mind. Outplay Bandera's evil spirits.
  27. -5
    15 October 2023 23: 06
    Finally, our people became more active. Everything is correct, well done. Now the stupid people have only one option left, surrender, a breakthrough in my opinion is impossible, but go to Bandera for God’s sake
  28. +6
    16 October 2023 00: 28
    the author tried to pass off wishful thinking......and having not achieved what he wanted, he will assure everyone that he wanted what was achieved.
    this is a kind of populist writerly prostitution. ..always .be in trend.
  29. +2
    16 October 2023 02: 15
    ..."I’ll just answer all readers at once" - the answer looks like the writings of a rural school life safety teacher. When do you take on such questions? use the information and at least your brains. As long as the coke plant “makes” money, no one will take Avdeevka and it’s high time to understand that the Northern Military District is led neither by the Moscow Region nor, especially, by the president. Talk to the participants of the SVO, you will understand a lot. Surovikin “got burned” on this - purely military “Armageddon” and they would have been in Kueva long ago - no way!!! The mafia has its own plans and interests.
  30. 0
    16 October 2023 03: 33
    That's it, victory is in your pocket!
  31. +1
    16 October 2023 07: 51
    Of course, I didn’t graduate from the General Staff Academy, but as a couch potato observer, it’s not clear to me why bang your head against a fortified area when you can go around from the flank... for example, from the Belgorod region... why, with stupid obstinacy, bang your head against the Ukrainian fortifications in the Donbass, which they erected over the course of 8 years, when it is easier to enter from the side, where there are obviously no such fortifications .. remember the beginning of the Northern Military District and the advance towards Kiev .. you can also take as an example the Germans bypassing the Maginot Line ..
    1. -1
      16 October 2023 14: 48
      This is what mines are for: to block attack routes except the front. These mines resemble trenches from the First World War.
  32. 0
    16 October 2023 09: 06
    It’s very good that our people took up Avdeevka. I cannot completely agree with the author. An article on the topic of reader responses. We have a lot of questions about the SVO, for example about the grain deal. The author himself writes:
    The operation began at the moment when the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to rotate personnel. Change of divisions! The old people have moved away, but the newcomers have not yet taken a closer look. And immediately under a massive blow from our artillery. Moreover, some military officers, whom I certainly believe, say that such processing of LBS has not been seen since the beginning of the SVO.
    The last phrase is the key and the answer. For some reason, perhaps political or economic, no decision was made. Just like the grain deal. Now accepted. And this is very good !!!
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  34. -1
    17 October 2023 19: 59
    [quoteAPU is waiting for another boiler. Another defeat][/quote]
    How many of these cauldrons and defeats, according to the forecasts of various “experts” and military commanders, took place over these 1.5 years? But the enemies are still in Avdiivka, almost a suburb of Donetsk, and are still hitting it, killing civilians. Any fortified area can be taken, no matter how concrete it is. We all remember from the story of the Mozhno line, Maneigerm, Königsberg, Ardena, etc. There was clearly more and deeper concrete there. But somehow they overcame it and took it without any problems. The main thing is to know how to do it and be able to do it. But we’re not doing very well with this.
  35. 0
    17 October 2023 21: 13
    Quote: Mikhail Shamanov
    The fate of Avdeevka is predetermined, it’s a matter of time. Yes, a lot of things didn’t work out. Kyiv in three days - no! With fanfare to Lviv - no. Blitzkrieg is a failure. It’s just that something was not planned, and something was not a military but a political, rather a mental, mistake. After all, we planned to liberate the fraternal people from the fascists, but we had to fight a fascist nation.
    But this is what we took seriously.
    And the set real goals were achieved in Mariupol, Bakhmut. at what cost is another question, but the enemy was defeated.
    There is confidence that they have taken Avdeevka seriously this time.
    And if the counterattack ends with its fall, then the consequences will go beyond the local.
    By the way, retreating to advantageous positions is about the Surovikin line, if anything.

    Kuev in three days - how long can you carry this fierce 3/14* kid?!