Are we for Israel or for Palestine?

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Are we for Israel or for Palestine?

Today, of course, the world is divided into two camps, those who support Israel and those who support Hamas. Regardless of my approach to the issue, I cannot say that Hamas is Palestine and vice versa.

It is very difficult to assess what is happening. Many opinions, many thoughts and a lot of strange things. Today we can say for sure that the operation that the Hamas command began to implement shows very decent preparation, the versatility with which the Hamas forces acted in general speaks volumes about this. Perhaps the operation would have been more successful and would have even received some recognition from the world community if it had not been for the massacres of civilians by Arabs. In particular, taking hostage citizens of other countries.



In general, the attack is more than strange, both in terms of quality and timing. In terms of time - especially, because it very much played into the hands of Netanyahu, whom the whole country was against because of his judicial reform, and what’s more, even his European allies criticized. And such small things as criminal cases on charges of fraud, bribery and embezzlement - that’s all forgotten. Israel, as usual, rallied around the leader when there was a smell of burning. This cannot be taken away from them; they will sort it out later, and I’m sure they will. Perhaps after the victory they will give a discount.


But overall, Netanyahu benefited greatly from the attack. About the same as Zelensky last year.

Who else benefits? USA? Well, of course, our beloved ones are not just busy there – they’re busy!

"Comprehensive Security Pact"



A political detective story unfolded right there, but it didn’t unfold, one could have read it. The United States offered Saudi Arabia a kind of “Comprehensive Security Pact”, which is more like an ultimatum.

The essence of the proposal: the SA completely abandons cooperation with third countries (this is Russia and China, if anything) and completely switches to NATO arsenal. In fact, Russia did not supply anything to the SA in terms of military equipment, but in 2021 a military cooperation agreement was concluded. Which did not oblige anyone to anything. China also marked itself only with the supply of self-propelled guns and nothing more. This is all, so to speak, for the future and for avoidance.

As a carrot, the United States offered a rather generous program for the development of nuclear energy. As an additional burden - the restoration of diplomatic relations with Israel, starting with the recognition of this country and ending with everything else.


In general, the plan is straightforward and simple, like a barrel of oil. OPEC has long annoyed the United States with its openly independent position in matters of regulating prices by the level of oil production, and making this issue more predictable for the United States is very interesting.

But in the realities of today, the continuation of the dialogue between the SA and Israel is very unlikely. Yes, the dialogue could have taken place fully and led to certain shifts in relations between the two countries, but today, when all Arab channels are full of videos from Gaza, which the Israeli Air Force is methodically turning into Bakhmut, this is doubtful.

And the point here is that the attempt to buy the Saudis with such generous offers on the part of the United States was justified by the desire to secure its main ally in the region. After all, if Saudi Arabia and Israel make peace, there will be no problems! SA money would stop flowing like a river into the coffers of various Muslim groups; in Jerusalem they could exhale, because the very idea of ​​Palestine with its capital in Jerusalem, albeit Eastern, would die out on its own.

But today, for the SA to continue negotiations with Israel means to lose face in the eyes of the entire Muslim world of the Middle East, the leadership of which the SA not only claims, but actually personifies. And therefore, today, when Israel is naturally turning Gaza into a heap of broken bricks and rubble (as promised), when the area is one step away from a humanitarian catastrophe, there is somehow no time for agreements.

So it’s hard to call the United States the beneficiaries of what happened. It's more of a "Something went wrong" situation.

"Common Front against Israel"


Well, if Hezbollah from Lebanon gets involved in all this, then things will start to happen that there will be no time for politics at all. If you combine the radicals of two movements, the Sunni Hamas and the Shiite Hezbollah, into one, then such a surge of violence will begin in the region...


Moreover, there is no doubt that Israel will fight back again. The only question is - at what cost. The fighters will drink blood from the heart.


Many people are already talking about some kind of “common front against Israel.” Forgetting, however, that this has already happened more than once. And although “the IDF is not the same,” terrorist organizations like the Taliban are not the army of Egypt or Libya. The Jews will fight back.


Yes, this is where the Taliban emerged. Together with Hezbollah. They seemed to be supportive, they even seemed to express a desire to come in, but... something also went wrong. As happened not so long ago with one army that was chasing the rebels. Well, the gasoline wasn’t delivered on time, so they couldn’t. Otherwise, all the pieces would fly away. In general, Hamas's brethren arms demonstrated a principle long ago outlined in a children's poem by the great Soviet poet: “We would be on the enemy’s horns. Only the skin is dear to us, and the horns are not cheap these days either.”

So dreams of some kind of double or triple front against Israel are still only words that Eastern diplomats are great experts at. But we have a case where in words everyone is “For”, approves and supports, but the Israeli Air Force is, you know, the Israeli Air Force. It hurts. That’s why the Khezi, the Taliban, the Iranians, the Saudis, the Qataris all support. But in words.

So there will be no general jihad. At least until Israel’s opponents clearly calculate everything in terms of possibilities. An openly suicidal attack by Hamas, we honestly admit, whose goal is mainly to terrorize the civilian population, it is strange. On the brink of a dead-end question about what they were even counting on? To the mass surrender of Jews? To surrender?


Well, definitely no one took the ruins of Gaza into account. Or they accepted it, but those who were neither hot nor cold from it. And here we come to the main beneficiary.

Iran



Persians are amazing guys. And without directly entering the war, they were able to get quite a decent amount for themselves. At least the Iranian military personnel and scientists killed in recent years have been more than avenged. It is a fact.

A simply colossal amount of military information has been collected. About the permeability of borders, both air and ground, about the effectiveness of the “iron dome,” about the speed of response of the military command and civilian government structures, and much more.

In addition, a huge image blow to Israel. Gaza will have to be razed to the roots, because the unshakable postulate that Israel must be feared has been shaken. And, at the same time, Iran, as the main defender of the Palestinians, leaves Turkey far behind in this regard. It’s worth saying a few words about Turkey next.

In addition, correctly presented information about “Israeli atrocities in Gaza” will attract an additional number of young recruits with hotheads to the ranks of the IRGC. And how to properly use hot heads - here the leaders of this structure do not need to be taught. They can do everything, and have been doing it for a long time.


And since Iran is in open hostility with Israel and is considered an ally of Hamas (what is it - it’s clear that Hamas is supported, let’s not spread the mess on the table), and if Saudi Arabia were to move towards rapprochement with Israel, it is doubtful that The ayatollahs would have accepted this as something normal. Vice versa. And it was precisely Iran that could push Hamas to attack in order to disrupt this tasty agreement once and for all. And if this is so, applause for Iran. And at the same time, an understanding of such a powerful message to Washington: you do everything you can over there, and here we do everything we want.

Well, after Israel finishes destroying Gaza, there will be no talk of any peace negotiations or alliances at all. And the weakening of Israel and the United States is at the same time the rise of Iran in the Muslim world.

In general, a great strategy: winning wars without literally fighting. After all, in recent years we have been observing the simply luxurious maneuvers of Iran, which does not allow itself to be drawn into a war directly, but at the same time receiving maximum benefits from regional conflicts.

What is the goal of those who play the Iranian game? Strengthen the country as much as possible, weaken the enemies as much as possible. This is, in theory, how any government of any country should act. Iran does not fight, but it is excellent at striking and weakening its enemies through pieces on the military-political board such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Hashd-Shaabi, Kataib Hezbollah, Ansar Allah and others like them. It doesn’t matter what the figures are, what matters is how many there are and how they are used.

Iran's list of such victories is impressive. Lebanon. Syria. Iraq. Yemen. And Gaza is exactly the same pawn in a chess game played by Iranian experts in their field.

Turkey



This is someone who cannot be called a calm observer or someone who has had something... More precisely, not something, but something. In general, Erdogan, with his pan-Turkish habits, will sooner or later lead the country to political (and other) problems. In reality, Turkey has somehow strangely divided its interests between Syria, Kurdistan and Transcaucasia. And if in terms of Karabakh and Azerbaijan everything worked out quite well, then in other places...

It’s good that the Armenians surrendered without a fight, otherwise they would have had three non-war on their hands. And what is happening with the Kurds and in Syria is beyond the roof to provide the Turkish leader with a headache.

And then there is the support of Palestine, in which the builder of the Ottoman Empire, at least in words, got stuck in the most profound way. After all, NATO “comrades” will ask in terms of how Turkey supported Hamas. And with what. A kind word is one thing, but, for example, Drones - This is completely different.

And Erdogan’s dream of joining the EEC is again dying... And today Ankara is cautiously calling for restraint (we would like to understand how this is), but Erdogan’s political opponents have flocked like black crows and demand to protect their own. “Ours” are, naturally, the Palestinians.

But Erdogan cannot protect “his own”. Because those who are other “friends” are from NATO, they are somehow for Israel. In general, it’s a so-so gymnastic exercise.

China



And what does China have to do with it? Oh, and China is right on topic! And not just in the topic, he sits there very tightly. In general, China volunteered to facilitate the next round of negotiations between Israel and Palestine. Moreover, the basis was the proposals of Chinese President Xi Jinping, consisting of as many as three parts.

Now it’s difficult to predict anything; at this rate, most likely, there will be no one and no one with whom to negotiate. But if you look closely at China’s position, it is more than cautious. There are no condemnations, unlike the USA, India, Japan and other countries, this position is completely neutral. No condemnation of Hamas.

And official Beijing simply called for an immediate ceasefire and repeated that the only way out of the situation is the creation of two states, one of which will be an independent Palestine.


Meanwhile, Mahmoud Abbas is a normal guest in China. But China also maintains quite normal relations with Israel.

In March of this year, it was through the mediation of China that negotiations took place between Saudi Arabia and Iran, which did not make them friends, but a certain diplomatic rapprochement was visible.

In general, the PRC continues to try on the uniform of a world peacemaker, earning points. The desire not to oppose Israel, which is backed by the United States, which is already pretty tired of China with its ambitions, is understandable, but Hamas, which is opposed by the whole of Europe and the United States, is also somehow inappropriate to touch.

In general, such neutrality is beneficial.

What about Russia?



Here it is very appropriate to ask: what about Russia? No, of course there is a certain profit. Everything that happens has one positive aspect: the United States, quite expectedly, will rush to the aid of its ally. Real. Accordingly, not only will everyone forget about Ukraine, but they will not help so generously.

More precisely, the Germans will take the rap, but you won’t get as much from them as from the United States. But the Ukrainian map is not as important as the Israeli one, since everyone in school geography courses knows that Ukraine is very far from the traditional hydrocarbon locations. And when a fire breaks out where SA, the UAE and Qatar are located, the fire brigade under the stars and stripes rushes to the other side of the world to restore order.

Let’s not argue with the fact that the Middle East is today the cradle of the Apocalypse and the larva of the Third World War. Previously, about 120 years ago, the Balkans had such explosive fame, where something like this was constantly brewing. But for the last 50 years, the Middle East has been that place. And not a single conflict can compare with what is happening there, but it happens there all the time.

So who should we be for?


And here the most important question is: is it necessary?

In general, it’s probably not necessary. Our interests are primarily here, that is, in new territories. And it would also be nice to restore order in the country itself.

Prying into the Middle East is nothing more than passing off something from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the area of ​​expressing concerns. No one will listen anyway, by and large.

In Soviet times, and even in Russian times, it somehow happened that we were like a cork in every barrel. And the whole world was divided into “ours” and “not ours”. And, accordingly, they rushed to support someone. Money, weapons, personnel...

Today you know how we deal with money. But you need weapons yourself, there’s no time for fat. And who should we support? Israel? Yes, there are still many of our former compatriots there. But this is not a reason, and there is nothing to support it: the grenades there, as they say, are of the wrong system. Hamas? You know, there is, of course, a question of scrupulousness. These ones in tracksuits and flip-flops, enthusiastically shooting civilians, everyone in a row - well, so-so allies. In general, the question arises: what, or more precisely, who will they do when the Jews run out?


Bad question. The answer could be even worse.

In fact, the conflict between Israel and Palestine will end when the last Jew or Palestinian dies. And here it’s worth thinking about who to pay a courtesy visit to next.

In general, I have virtually no doubt that victory will be Israel’s, and this has a certain essence. In one of the TG channels I came across such a statement that it is still unknown who is worse to deal with, the Arabs will come to us, or the Jews. I answered there with the following example from our past: at one time there was a fire in Chechnya. And many representatives of Qatar, Yemen, SA, the UAE and other countries were sent to the next world.

So this war is so not ours that it hurts our cheekbones. Therefore, the best thing that could be thought of is to take a position of complete neutrality. And pay the winner a courtesy visit with congratulations. In the soul, everyone, of course, can take a certain position and draw conclusions with whom they are in soul. But this is everyone's business.

However, in this stories There is one more point directly related to us and our country. But its discussion will have to be included in a separate article, and when it appears, that’s where we’ll talk about what prospects we have.
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  1. +100
    12 October 2023 04: 10
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
    Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!
    1. +36
      12 October 2023 06: 46
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
      Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      Probably the best comment! laughing
      1. +17
        12 October 2023 09: 07
        After the carpet bombing of Gaza and the shooting of all civilians at the festival, the staged Bucha looks like a children's horror story.
      2. +9
        12 October 2023 11: 47
        It's time to remember how our enemies act in a situation where they are not for one or the other. We will secretly help the one who is being beaten, so that they kill each other as much as possible. And at the official level - For world peace!
        1. man
          +3
          12 October 2023 18: 26
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          It's time to remember how our enemies act in a situation where they are not for one or the other. We will secretly help the one who is being beaten, so that they kill each other as much as possible. And at the official level - For world peace!

          It won't work secretly.Maintain strict neutrality. This is not our war!
          1. +2
            12 October 2023 22: 23
            That’s right - strict neutrality: help both sides in every possible way (for good money, of course)!
          2. +2
            13 October 2023 07: 08
            It won't work secretly.
            Yes, this is a difficult and dangerous matter. And there are mistakes like with Bout and Malashenko, who were identified by the CIA and framed. But why don’t I believe that Bout was a simple entrepreneur, an arms dealer for private reasons? And it’s not for nothing that he is now a deputy from the LDPR in the Duma - a very honored person and the state does not abandon such people!
            1. man
              +2
              13 October 2023 13: 17
              Yes, this is a difficult and dangerous matter.
              Especially after replacing our great ideological the Petrovs and Basharovs came to the scouts...
              1. 0
                14 October 2023 07: 17
                mann, what’s wrong with Petrov and Boshirov, how did they “offend” you? No one was going to call them ideological intelligence officers - ordinary agents or couriers. Not everyone can be Abel or Conrad the Young. Yes, they were not given such a task. We don’t know anything significant from the current intelligence games and we can assume that Mi-6 simply lured these two couriers and used them in a provocation with Skripal. Moreover, he freely let them “admire the spiers”, and then freely released them from the country, knowing full well who they really are.
    2. +7
      12 October 2023 07: 42
      It seems that only a small part of it is for Russia.
      1. +4
        12 October 2023 08: 09
        Quote: Million
        It seems that only a small part of it is for Russia.

        The fact is that not all...
      2. +9
        12 October 2023 10: 23
        Quote: Million
        It seems that only a small part of it is for Russia.

        I am for Russia! And the rest is derived from the interests of my country. hi
        1. +1
          12 October 2023 20: 57
          Quote: fif21
          I am for Russia!

          Which one are you for? Abramovich or infantryman?
          For 3 months our Wofka worried about the Jews in every public page and then bam our Jerusalem
    3. -1
      12 October 2023 07: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      .... I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      This is certain! But WHAT part is this? recourse big? Smaller? ..... Doubts
    4. +9
      12 October 2023 08: 03
      Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      It’s a shame that I’m such a pessimist or a realist. The past 30 years are evidence of this.
    5. +17
      12 October 2023 08: 50
      We are for ourselves! I don’t know who our leadership is for. We need to ask Peskov...
      1. +9
        12 October 2023 11: 29
        Remember, in the film "Chapaev":
        “Are you for the Bolsheviks or for the communists?
        “I am for the International.”
      2. +7
        12 October 2023 12: 32
        Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
        I don’t know who our leadership is for. We need to ask Peskov...

        Peskov is not aware. But Kadyrov declared support for Palestine. And he also said that Stalin was a traitor. So it goes...
    6. man
      0
      12 October 2023 17: 40
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
      Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      So it is. And not part of the top leadership, but almost all of them. With a slight clarification, not for all of Russia, but for its bourgeoisie. We can only hope for those who were not included in almost all of them...
    7. +4
      12 October 2023 20: 22
      Vladimir_2U, oh, I belittle you and what do you think? I have my own question for you. When in Russia, families will have 4-6 people. When will Russia stop collecting money for children online. When will MACHINE BUILDING be restored in Russia? When will production return to the regions?
      When the Muscovite kingdom liberates the Russians. Otherwise we live like on a ship - we feel sick and need to swim. THIS IS THE PROBLEM, THIS IS THE PROBLEM. And you and the author of this libel “Are we for Israel or for Palestine?”
    8. 0
      13 October 2023 08: 11
      Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      Oh, what are you talking about!
      Those who are for Russia will inject themselves with these drugs of yours and let them explode grenades on the plane while drunk.
    9. 0
      13 October 2023 15: 58
      Lord Palmerston was right when he said: “We have neither eternal allies nor permanent friends, but our interests are eternal and constant, and it is our duty to protect them.”
      A friend can betray, an ally can defect to the enemy. Only by not betraying your interests and constantly defending them can you achieve success.
      I will answer a SPECIFIC question - for SYRIA. In this situation, one cannot succumb to the provocations of the Anglo-Saxons in their attempts to drag Syria into the current conflict.
    10. 0
      14 October 2023 02: 11
      Vladimir_2U (Vladimir). 12 October 2023 04:10. NEW. yours -

      Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
      Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

      You. are right. But. there is one more question. . ".. October 13, 2023, 23:38. https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2023/10/13/21497791.shtml
      French authorities introduced a terrorist threat regime after the attack on the lyceum Paris introduced a terrorist threat regime after the attack on the Lyceum...

      God bless. that in the Russian Federation "... we are not France. What kind of... to cause trouble..." belay I hope our Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB will not sleep through the situation. like in Israel. Gosley no less. than in France...
      ...by quantity, according to Mikhalkov, the program "Besogon". a huge number of guests and “new Russians” (like 40%) are ready to “fight” for the faith, etc. bully
      Even from the simple “disgrace of violating” see the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB of the Russian Federation, the reports are not enough. No.
      I hope no one has forgotten the fighters who marched through Moscow screaming... belay
      As they say, trouble has begun. With such massive aggression and impunity, “guests” in the Russian Federation are quite possible. that the fighters, having long forgotten the laws of hospitality, will “get busy” supporting fellow Palestinians in the Russian Federation. Instead of help and support THERE. feel
      It’s calmer and safer in the Russian Federation...Or what!?
      As shown by the “fruit” wars in the Trade Center of the Russian Federation between the parties to the conflict in Karabakh... Until the GDP subtly hinted at being sent home to the front... hi
    11. 0
      15 October 2023 13: 09
      Israeli soldiers and instructors participating in battles in Ukraine are returning to their homeland, said the commander of the Akhmat special forces, Apty Alaudinov, on Channel One.

      For those extorting sympathy towards Israel, I emphasize - Israeli soldiers fighting for the Nazis on the territory of the Russian Federation are leaving the front line. They are fighting against Russia right now. They are killing our boys right now. And only the Hamas attack on Israel forced them to leave the battlefield.

      And now the questions:
      Should Russians protest if the number of Nazis on the front line has decreased? How much sympathy should we have for those who kill our compatriots? Why are those who want to destroy Russia suddenly suddenly claiming our sympathy?
    12. 0
      19 October 2023 07: 42
      Hopes, hopes......
  2. +22
    12 October 2023 04: 14
    Maintain neutrality. I feel sorry for the civilians on both sides. Especially children. It is possible to prepare humanitarian shipments of tents, food, medicines, etc.
    The fact that Israel is bombing houses is scary. But this is what wars look like, not SVO. If I were the head or minister of Israel, I would also order the demolition of all high-rise buildings above the 5th floor. To hell with high-rise buildings, which are good as observation posts, especially in desert conditions.
    Who benefits and who stands behind Hamas? I think USA. The Iranians are simply happy here because it is in their interests and that’s all. Who will win? No, not Israel. In any case, the United States will win, which will remain a vassal - Israel and tension in the Middle East.
    1. +7
      12 October 2023 10: 23
      I realized a long time ago that our participation as a third party in “barbarian wars” is a big mistake! A striking example: Armenia-Azerbaijan. Claims from both sides and open or disguised hatred. The same barbaric war is in Palestine, where hatred is off the charts and there is no talk of elementary humanism on both sides. For the residents of Israel, that light touch of civilization in the current circumstances has fallen off like onion skins and the Paleolithic has been exposed in their consciousness, that is, the “Stone Age”. It’s not worth talking about the Arabs.
  3. -8
    12 October 2023 04: 23
    I don’t know about you, but I am for Palestine!
    1. +27
      12 October 2023 05: 32
      I would also be for Palestine. Like a normal Soviet citizen. But, remembering history, when Arafat authorized the kidnapping and murder of our diplomats in Lebanon, it was no longer for the Palestinians.
      I remember that after the events described, support for the PLO from the Union sharply declined. And rightly so.
      And then: what is the programmatic life goal of the average Israeli?
      Yes, work for the good of the family and the country. What about the Arab?
      Work as little as possible, deceive, impale your neighbor. And it’s even better to not work at all, but to be a member of an armed formation, where money is easily given. Fortunately, military failures do not affect the situation. An example is the Syrian army. You can also add the army of Afghanistan (not Arabs, but the mentality is the same).
      So for whom?
      No, not for anyone.
      Is it possible to use the profit from redirecting military aid “past” Ukraine.
      1. old
        +23
        12 October 2023 06: 34
        It is reported that several hundred foreign advisers who were involved in coordinating and training the Ukronazis are urgently returning from Ukraine to Israel. They became so carried away by fascism in Ukraine that they slept through the fire in their own house.
        1. +9
          12 October 2023 07: 01
          Quote: old
          It is reported that several hundred foreign advisers who were involved in coordinating and training the Ukronazis are urgently returning from Ukraine to Israel.

          This is what you can respect Jews for, their unity. There was a “fire” in their house and they rushed there to put it out. And what about Ukraine, that in the Russian Federation many stepped up when the army’s support was needed. As for "Who are you for"? Not for anyone, although you can be grateful that both sides drew attention and military support. It will be easier for ours at the front.
          1. +13
            12 October 2023 07: 08
            Quote: Egoza
            There was a “fire” in their house and they rushed there to put it out.

            Well, it depends on who. Some rushed to put out the fire, others to the airport on the first available flight
            1. +1
              12 October 2023 20: 28
              According to media reports, tickets from Tel Aviv airport are now 30 times more expensive than to Tel Aviv.
              This says something.
              1. +2
                12 October 2023 20: 30
                About the fact that there is no need to fly to the Russian Federation laughing
          2. old
            +15
            12 October 2023 07: 14
            It will be easier for ours at the front.
            It will be even easier for our people if all those who left remain in Israel. Preferably forever...
          3. +5
            12 October 2023 07: 53
            Quote: Egoza
            .... "Who are you for"? Not for anyone, although you can be grateful that both sides drew attention and military support. It will be easier for ours at the front.

            good this is the most important thing now!It will be easier for ours at the front!!
          4. +5
            12 October 2023 09: 16
            This is what you can respect Jews for, their unity. There was a “fire” in their house and they rushed there to put it out.
            Why, they rushed on their own. And don't get your hopes up. They ordered us to go to Ukraine to kill Russian women and children, so we went. They ordered to return and kill Palestinians, and they returned. An order is an order. Especially when murders pay well. Only at first they paid for the murders of some, and now for the murders of others. You don’t believe that Jews will do anything for free, do you? But for money they are ready to commit any atrocities, no matter what.
          5. -1
            12 October 2023 13: 59
            Quote: Egoza
            This is what you can respect Jews for, their unity. There was a “fire” in their house and they rushed there to put it out.

            Yes, sometimes it doesn’t work out well with these Jews. I see Galkin said that he was on tour in Israel, and that’s just his age. Makarevich also quickly went on tour around the EU and so on and so forth...........
            Is it like a game for them or what? When I need it, I'm a Jew
          6. 0
            13 October 2023 18: 56
            Quote: Egoza
            This is what you can respect Jews for, their unity. There was a “fire” in their house and they rushed there to put it out. And what about Ukraine, that in the Russian Federation many stepped up when the army’s support was needed.

            Honestly, those who made their legs from the Russian Federation when the support of the army was needed, the same ones immediately made their legs from Israel.
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        3. +5
          12 October 2023 17: 30
          With all my heart I wish the Israeli instructors who returned from Ukraine to heroically disappear into Palestine. To be a Jew and to instruct Ukronazis is to be a complete abomination.
      2. +10
        12 October 2023 08: 44
        And then: what is the programmatic life goal of the average Israeli?
        Yes, work for the good of the family and the country.

        Are you talking about the third of the working population who never works, but only studies the Torah, in which everyone who is not Jewish is not human?
      3. +13
        12 October 2023 10: 08
        Quote: U-58
        I would also be for Palestine. Like a normal Soviet citizen. But, remembering history, when Arafat authorized the kidnapping and murder of our diplomats in Lebanon, it was no longer for the Palestinians.

        So I have a “split personality”! To some extent, I am for the Arabs and against the Israelis... here is the long-term Soviet pro-Palestinian indoctrination of the brain, and the “super arrogant” behavior of Israel, which, with the spontaneity of gopniks, violated almost all international laws, and no less arrogant behavior on the VO forum members Israeli “origin”, without a twinge of conscience justifying the actions of Israel even in cases where there is no justification... But even in the USSR I had to “encounter” Arabs (Palestinians, Lebanese)! Bastards (!) that are hard to find! Maybe there were and are “good” Arabs, but I haven’t met them! Bad luck ? It could be, it could be... The current lawlessness in Russia on the part of migrants (Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Azeris...) is extremely reminiscent of lawlessness. what the Palestinians did back in Soviet times! And just as migrants are now “protected” by the Russian authorities with their “organs”; so then the Arabs were covered by the Soviet authorities! I have already assessed the Jews and Arabs in one of the comments..."Horseradish radish is not sweeter!"...
      4. +9
        12 October 2023 12: 24
        Somehow such good Jews were driven out of all countries, starting with Spain, Germany, Poland and in Russia the residency requirement
      5. +1
        12 October 2023 22: 25
        It is impossible to buy an Arab! You can rent it.
    2. old
      +10
      12 October 2023 07: 25
      In fact, Netanyahu started this whole mess when he ordered fresh water sources in Palestinian settlements to be poured with concrete. And then Hamas bulldozed the most guarded border in the world, through which a mouse cannot slip, and no one noticed anything..
      All this looks rather strange, if you do not take into account that Bibi’s rating was approaching zero, and the opposition demanded his resignation, threatening to take people to the streets.
      1. +12
        12 October 2023 11: 01
        I understand this attitude towards Palestinians on the part of Jews.
        For two thousand years, Jews wandered around the world and, being persecuted, to one degree or another participated in the creation of states that were foreign to them, and not their own, by people who were strangers to the Jews, the beneficiaries of these states, and not by the Jews themselves.
        Participation in the construction of foreign states, combined with a policy of persecution in their own attitude on the part of the beneficiaries, has become for Jews a model for building their own state, in which the persecution of everyone who is not a beneficiary of Israel is undesirable outsiders. Jews simply cannot do otherwise, intuitively they cannot, mentally they cannot - they have not been taught by history.
        However, in this case, I admit that they cannot. The Palestinians are too archaic and too motivated to kill Jews. To coexist, to integrate into a higher civilization is beyond their understanding. Using what the Jews produced - please, catching up to the level and producing it yourself - is a taboo for most of them.
        1. 0
          12 October 2023 19: 36
          Quote: depressant
          I understand this attitude towards Palestinians on the part of Jews.

          Don’t you understand the attitude of the Palestinians towards the Jews, the invaders of their land?
          Yes, Palestinians are less intellectually developed than Jews, but this does not give the Jews the right to seize Palestinian lands. References to the fact that these lands were once entirely Jewish do not apply.
        2. -2
          16 October 2023 20: 04
          It’s probably worth finding the reason why Jews are persecuted everywhere. and then everything will fall into place: they don’t like to work, they consider themselves the smartest, they always try to find themselves in an environment that considers itself the “elite” of society, but in fact is not an elite....
        3. -2
          16 October 2023 20: 05
          It’s probably worth finding the reason why Jews are persecuted everywhere. and then everything will fall into place: they don’t like to work, they consider themselves the smartest, they always try to find themselves in an environment that considers itself the “elite” of society, but in fact is not an elite....
  4. +24
    12 October 2023 04: 36
    So this war is so not ours that it hurts our cheekbones.
    I absolutely agree, because
    Our interests are primarily here, that is, in new territories. And it would also be nice to restore order in the country itself.
  5. +19
    12 October 2023 04: 36
    We benefit from the continuation of this conflict, preferably so that Jewish settlements burn more intensely. Well, it would be advisable to send anti-ship missiles, perhaps old Soviet ones, we need to pay off the Americans for the supply of weapons to Kyiv, for the Nordic Streams. If Putin does not do this, then a red line will be drawn around him.
    1. +13
      12 October 2023 05: 09
      Quote: zontov79
      we need to pay off the Americans for the supply of weapons to Kyiv, for the Nordic Streams

      This is a very correct remark. It would be nice if the United States got involved in this conflict, and even dragged the whole of Geyropa with it...
    2. +11
      12 October 2023 07: 09
      we need to avenge Moscow. You have to be a naive fool to believe that the operation to drown Moscow was carried out by the Ukrainians... and not the Britons from the USA.
    3. +8
      12 October 2023 11: 27
      Well, it would be advisable to send anti-ship missiles, possibly old Soviet ones

      I do not agree. Judging by the state of our military-industrial complex, they will come in handy themselves.
      Everything in the house, nothing out of the house!
    4. man
      +1
      12 October 2023 17: 59
      We benefit from the continuation of this conflict, preferably so that Jewish settlements burn more intensely. Well it is advisable to send anti-ship missiles, possibly old Soviet ones, we need to pay off the Americans for the supply of weapons to Kyiv, for the northern streams.
      Are you crazy? Do we need new enemies? So far, the Netanyahu government remains relatively neutral, no matter how the United States puts pressure on it. And if we make new friends, then these are “friends” that would be better if they were enemies.. Let’s sympathize with ordinary people on both sides, they, as always, have a hard time
  6. +8
    12 October 2023 04: 38
    I agree with the author of the article.

    The knot of contradictions that has lingered in this region has twisted so much over the past decades that its peaceful resolution looks more like a utopia. As well as the fact that there are right or wrong in this matter.

    Each of the leading parties has taken on a lot; terror on both sides has become the norm of life, just as the civilian population of each side constantly suffers from this terror to one degree or another.

    Bombs flying from airplanes, of course, cannot be compared with half-homemade missiles, but this does not make it any easier for the civilians who suffered on the first day of the invasion. Just like those who are now being razed to the ground in the enclave. The bloody meat grinder has started. It will be impossible to turn this mince back.

    I agree that there is no point for us to take one side or the other. Over many decades there, everyone’s hands are covered in blood up to their elbows. And yes, we still don’t have extra resources for this. One can only regret that the region is now experiencing a natural humanitarian catastrophe and it is primarily the civilians who are suffering from it. The laws of war have long been thrown out and forgotten. And there really will be no end to all this until someone is left alone.

    It is unlikely that anyone will be left alone this time. Still, the enclave is large, the Hamasites are probably well prepared. But after 23 years, most likely, only a mountain of broken rubble will remain from the enclave, and all the difficulties in supplying this “Indian reservation” that existed before will seem like flowers in comparison with the humanitarian catastrophe that awaits us at the time of the ceasefire.
    1. old
      +13
      12 October 2023 06: 36

      Everything you need to know about Netanyahu's fight against Hamas.
      1. +1
        12 October 2023 15: 51
        Because it was Netanyahu who wanted peace. I even tried to come to an agreement with Hamas. What happened? They also tried to come to an agreement with Chechnya in the 90s. The result is both here and there. War. War against bandits and terrorists.
  7. +29
    12 October 2023 04: 50
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
    Why do we have to be FOR SOMEONE again? You just need to be FOR RUSSIA. And for Russia now the main thing is to maintain neutrality and support the UN resolution on the formation of TWO STATES on the territory of what is now Palestine. This is an interesting contradiction
    1. -12
      12 October 2023 05: 11
      Quote: svp67
      Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
      Why do we have to be FOR SOMEONE again? You just need to be FOR RUSSIA

      To be for Russia, you must definitely be for someone in this conflict. It's impossible otherwise...
      1. +8
        12 October 2023 07: 21
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: svp67
        Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
        Why do we have to be FOR SOMEONE again? You just need to be FOR RUSSIA

        To be for Russia, you must definitely be for someone in this conflict. It's impossible otherwise...

        Otherwise just - necessary.
        Problems in BV for the USA - “Yes, it’s just some kind of holiday!!” (c) for Russia. I’m actually amazed that somehow no one noted about “The cat abandoned the kittens...”.
        3 days of conflict - and Israel is already militarized to the extreme asks help from the USA.
        And the longer it drags on, the more the Jews will squeeze out of the USA. And the less 404 will go to the country.
        The friendship of the Jews has just been demonstrated by the example of Canada - the speaker was trampled to death within XNUMX hours.
        But there’s no reason for us to go there (even if Iran starts to get involved) - the Arabs will slaughter the Jews a little, the Jews will bomb the Arabs and then everything will calm down
        1. +4
          12 October 2023 10: 18
          But if the Persians get in directly, there are possible options. Everyone except the Jews will forget about Hamas and begin to suppress the main source of trouble in the region. A repetition of Libya is possible, with a coalition of the West, but this time under the direct leadership of the striped ones, because they have the most powerful armed forces in NATO. And then Iran, which failed to create nuclear weapons, will be finished.
          As for the reduction in assistance to one of the parties to our military border, we should not delude ourselves. The mattresses have enough candy wrappers for everything and everyone, the machine works properly. And the Russian Front is always a priority for the Masons, no matter how much we would like them to forget about it.
          1. +5
            12 October 2023 12: 01
            Quote: Essex62
            The mattresses have enough candy wrappers for everything and everyone, the machine works properly
            candy wrappers are NOT Cheetahs/Patriots/shells..
            You can print them, but you can’t make hardware that quickly.
            Having given resources to Israel, you won’t take them from the sky, they won’t fall...
  8. +11
    12 October 2023 04: 51
    Stop writing about Jews already, as long as you can? Everyone knows how these two Semitic peoples love each other, everyone understands that they will kill each other, the beneficiaries will receive benefits, the common people will die, then they will agree again until next time and so on, there is more interesting news.
    1. +4
      12 October 2023 05: 56
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Everyone knows how these two Semitic peoples love each other.

      Some are rich and well-fed, others are hot and poor....And there is no peace between them.
      1. +7
        12 October 2023 08: 54
        Some are rich and well-fed, others are hot and poor

        As one diplomat who worked in Israel for a long time said, “Israelis are Arabs trying to look like Americans.” They tried to mow our ukry in the same way.
        1. +4
          12 October 2023 11: 36
          "Israelis are Arabs pretending to be Americans." They tried to mow our Ukrainians in the same way.

          That’s true, but don’t forget about the contribution Jews made to world culture and science. I don't see any Palestinians there.
          1. +5
            12 October 2023 12: 04
            Quote: depressant
            "Israelis are Arabs pretending to be Americans." They tried to mow our Ukrainians in the same way.

            That’s true, but don’t forget about the contribution Jews made to world culture and science. I don't see any Palestinians there.

            Well, "very smart!!" never really loved anywhere
          2. +6
            12 October 2023 13: 08
            That’s true, but don’t forget about the contribution Jews made to world culture and science.

            The conversation is not about Jews - with all due respect to this nation - but about Israelis, as citizens of the state of Israel. The Germans as a nation and the Nazis who ruled Germany are also not identical.
  9. +10
    12 October 2023 05: 04
    Demand that Jews comply with UN resolutions on the creation of the state of Palestine. And for this, Jews must leave the occupied Palestinian territories, which these fascists have refused to do for 7 decades. And it’s time to stop flirting with Israel - after all, its participation in the war against Russia was evident on the side of the fascist outskirts. I hope that some of the Jews who fought together with the dill against us were left to rot in the soil of the outskirts. It is incomprehensible that our authorities have a loyal attitude towards the fascist Jewish state - except because we have a lot of Jews at the top and among the money bags... And until the Jews give up the captured lands to the Palestinians, a guerrilla war will be waged there. Jewish fascists are constantly bombing Syria, Iraq, Lebanon... They constantly threaten Iran and spoil it. It is high time for Iran to have nuclear weapons - only they can sober up the bad heads in the USA and Israel. The United States tried to scare the DPRK - and they themselves became afraid. But the West helped the Jews and Pakistan acquire nuclear weapons. The only hope is in North Korea, which could throw several nuclear warheads at Iran. This would balance the situation with the aggressive actions of Jews against Iran. But there is no hope for our leadership - it is not heard that our government will stop supporting Western sanctions against Iran and the DPRK.
  10. +18
    12 October 2023 05: 50
    Strange question from the author. Yesterday they wrote on the “cart” all day about the return of IDF volunteers from Ukraine. If our fighters are confronted by at least a hundred enemies, thank you to the Palestinians! Well, the Lend-Lease traffic will dry up a little.

    What we can agree with Roman is the prospects for war. No one will fit in for the Palestinians. And the war will end quickly. (TASS reported that the unimpressive Chubais had already returned to Israel). It is bad for Russia that Gaza cannot turn into Afghanistan for Israel.
    1. old
      +20
      12 October 2023 06: 49
      If anyone didn't know.
      According to the Talmud (the code of rules of Judaism), “The Jews are human beings, and the other nations of the world are not people, but beasts” Baba Necia 114,6. All non-Jews are goyim (animals), the killing of which is like killing wild animals.
      “God gave the Jews power over the property and blood of all nations” Seph.Jp., 92.1. There are others, no less interesting... And their politicians sacredly honor these commandments.
      1. +4
        12 October 2023 10: 28
        All non-Jews are goyim (animals), the killing of which is like killing wild animals.

        Not only. They are taught a lot of things at school.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_wQxBdi7o
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  12. +2
    12 October 2023 05: 53
    I am for peace.
    So that this war ends as quickly as possible.
  13. -26
    12 October 2023 05: 58
    The Palestinians have proven through their actions that they are admirers and followers of Hitler. Killing Jews just because they are Jews, and doing it so brutally, only the Nazis did this before. Well, also the Cossacks of Sagaidachny, Khmelnitsky, and others like them.
    Israel has no choice but to commit what closely resembles genocide in Gaza. Because until now in conflicts the proportion has been hundreds of Arabs for one Jew, and this proportion must be maintained at all costs, otherwise the Arabs and other Islamofascists will get excited and next time they will trample on all sides. And Israel’s losses have already reached one and a half thousand and will continue to grow.
    The only way the leaders of Gaza can save civilians who have the misfortune of being under their rule is, oddly enough, to act following the example of Hitler. When he poisoned himself, he thereby opened the door for Doenitz to declare complete and unconditional surrender. Then, and only then, will Israel stop the bombing. Otherwise, no stone unturned. So - eat yada.
    1. +19
      12 October 2023 06: 27
      Just don't blah blah blah blah about Hitler and Palestine.
      What are the Israeli military doing in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, what are the Jews teaching the Nazis of Ukraine? ...how did it happen that the Jew Zelensky serves with all his might the Banderaites, Nazi fans of Hitler...helping them kill Russian people.
      And most importantly... Israel has never condemned the Bandera regime in Kyiv...
      what is that supposed to mean?
      1. -20
        12 October 2023 06: 47
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        What are the Israeli military doing in the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

        They are fighting for their fucking homeland, where they were born. The Pale of Settlement was drawn so badly that there were more Jews in the area than in Russia and Belarus combined. So for you and me (I hope I can use this expression. No?) this is Banderostan, but these particular boys perceive 404, of which, by the way, they are citizens, as a homeland, with all that it entails.
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Jew Zelensky
        Cross is not a Jew. They were Jews only for Hitler, so he could write a one-way ticket to Auschwitz. Are you in favor of applying Hitler's criteria?
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Israel has never condemned the Bandera regime in Kyiv...
        But he didn’t send them a single cartridge. What is more important to you, words or actions?
        1. +11
          12 October 2023 07: 05
          Quote: Nagan
          Cross is not a Jew

          A Jew can convert to Christianity for some of his own benefits and still remain a Jew
        2. +10
          12 October 2023 07: 20
          Quote: Nagan
          But he didn’t send them a single cartridge. What is more important to you, words or actions?

          Both are important...Israel's silence is a sign of agreement with the Nazis of Ukraine, and I perceive this as aiding them.
          The homeland of the Israeli military is Israel, what to do with the Russians born in the Donbass and fighting with your Israeli military personnel...
          You either take off your cross or your panties.
          You can not be half pregnant.
          1. -3
            12 October 2023 22: 49
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Both are important...Israel's silence is a sign of agreement with the Nazis of Ukraine, and I perceive this as aiding them.
            And who officially supported you (in the sense of Russia) and condemned the Bandera regime? EMNIP, only Kim, for which respect and respect to him. Lukashenko, as always, is both yours and ours, although he is the closest ally, and is still a brotherly people. Other “allies” of the Russian Federation in the CSTO are even smaller than Lukashenko. China - well, it finally offers negotiations, and it does not care whether the goals of the Central Military District have been achieved, but it has joined the banking sanctions. And although it somehow helps to circumvent trade sanctions, it does not miss its own benefits, and at whose expense the benefits, think for yourself. And Hungary, although it does not help Bandera itself, did not block help from NATO, but it could have. Those who “the third day is like tears from a palm tree”[©L. Filatov] We don’t count, they don’t do anything about the weather anyway.
            And do you want Israel to express condemnation and support against this background? But then Biden certainly would not have sent the USS Gerald Ford. What, Russia would have sent “Kuznetsov” instead?No. And if by some miracle he bypassed the whole of Europe and reached the Mediterranean, the question is who would his deck MiGs bomb.
        3. +4
          12 October 2023 09: 29
          but these particular boys perceive 404, of which, by the way, they are citizens, as their homeland, with all that it implies.
          It can be seen as the Jews who consider their homeland 404 to have built themselves there. A purely fascist education with all fascist attributes. Apparently Jews don’t know how to do anything else. The same thing happened both inside and outside. From here we can draw a completely logical conclusion. Fascism is in the blood of Jews, and they see themselves as nothing but fascists.
      2. +2
        12 October 2023 12: 08
        How did it happen that the Jew Zelensky serves Bandera’s followers, Nazi fans of Hitler with all his might... helping them kill Russian people. .

        Alexey, my brain memory stores all the videos! They are before my eyes.
        As soon as Zelensky was elected president, he came to the front and straight to the Azov lair. You should have seen how boorishly the “Azovites” treated him, saying “you” to him, pushing him with their shoulders, mocking his words...
        Zelensky realized that “Azov” would be his death if he contradicted him. Goyim, non-goyim - death! Jews are used to surviving by adapting. Zelensky adapted to survive.
    2. old
      +17
      12 October 2023 06: 58
      The Palestinians have proven through their actions that they are admirers and followers of Hitler.


      Who are whose heirs?!

      The Jews came to where no one invited them, some of the local residents were kicked out, another part (a small one) was left, the rest were killed. Doesn't remind you of anyone?
      Have you heard anything about the massacre in Deir Yassin? Well, at least Google it - you will find a lot of new things for yourself.
      1. +4
        12 October 2023 11: 01
        Jews came there
        When? In the time of Joshua, after the Egyptian captivity, when their old man Moses led them through the Sinai desert for 40 years, he didn’t know the way, he got lost, sometimes. You won’t believe it, when the Arabs came there, to their surprise they found Jews there and more. laughing
      2. +3
        12 October 2023 20: 07
        Quote: old

        Who are whose heirs?!

        You should at least check first whose bullshit you are posting...
        This guy is straight from Kuev

        https://brezblock.org.ua/


        Keep the original photo and don't embarrass yourself like this again
      3. +1
        12 October 2023 22: 54
        Quote: old


        Photoshop, and not done professionally at that. And they will fast with the tzipsoshniks, as proven Diger (Johannes).
        Quote: old
        Have you heard anything about the massacre in Deir Yassin?

        The same fake as the massacre in Bucha.
    3. +2
      12 October 2023 19: 50
      Quote: Nagan
      Kill Jews just because they are Jews

      The age-old Jewish excuse. Don’t you want to look at your affairs?
    4. +1
      12 October 2023 19: 50
      Quote: Nagan
      Kill Jews just because they are Jews

      The age-old Jewish excuse. Don’t you want to look at your affairs?
  14. +16
    12 October 2023 05: 59
    Hamas, not all of Palestine. Hezbollah is silent, Fatah is silent, other Palestinian organizations are silent. The events in Gaza did not result in a general Palestinian uprising, as it did during the Intifada. The actions of Hamas generally look provocative, as a reason to end the autonomy of Palestine, with the same Gaza Strip, of course. And at another point, Hamas came out without slogans about what exactly they want.
    1. old
      +5
      12 October 2023 07: 18
      In principle, Hamas wants from Israel the same thing as the UN: for Israel to leave the territories it occupies.
    2. 0
      12 October 2023 19: 53
      Quote: parusnik
      And another such moment, Hamas, came out without slogans about what exactly they want.

      He who has eyes, let him see. He who has ears, let him hear.
      Are you deprived of both? Somehow I can’t believe it.
  15. +5
    12 October 2023 06: 08
    I agree with the author, we need to remain neutral and just observe. We have our own war, they have theirs, and at least the news reports were diluted with views of the desert and guys in flip-flops :)))
  16. +3
    12 October 2023 06: 18
    Palestine lost its main support, the USSR, in the last century. With the help of which all conflicts in the Middle East were resolved. And there were enough of them. Since then, the struggle of the Palestinian people has also changed. I don’t know how it will be now. Too many political players have emerged around this conflict. And this is not very comforting.
  17. +16
    12 October 2023 06: 31
    What is the goal of those who play the Iranian game? Strengthen the country as much as possible, weaken the enemies as much as possible. This is how, in theory, any government of any country should act.
    I wouldn’t say that for the government of the Russian Federation, for some reason it seems that our government with GDP is saving anyone, but not its own people.
  18. +7
    12 October 2023 06: 46
    I personally do not support either one or the other, Jews help Ukraine and genocide Palestinians, Palestinians behave like animals, mow down civilians, in general they stand by each other, let them fight longer to divert attention from Ukraine
  19. +7
    12 October 2023 07: 08
    absolutely purple. this is not our war. We have enough of our own...don’t indulge us at all.
    and calculating benefits for oneself from someone else’s conflict is the job of politicians.
  20. +4
    12 October 2023 07: 15
    I have already said that Hamas was used “in the dark.” And, quietly, everyone will solve their own problems.
    1. +1
      12 October 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Volunteer Marek
      And, quietly, everyone will solve their own problems.

      Like Zeli, who was going to pay a “solidarity visit” to Israel. Normal move. If the visit takes place, then you can disappear there, “Hamas has covered”, and look for the wind in the field.
  21. 0
    12 October 2023 07: 24
    And pay the winner a courtesy visit with congratulations.

    What other courtesy visit with congratulations? Who should we congratulate and on what? Because some will destroy others, and in the literal sense.

    Neutrality, so neutrality. And since Russia’s totem animal is a bear, there is no need to make it a JACKAL.
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 19: 53
      Quote: Semak
      And pay the winner a courtesy visit with congratulations.

      What other courtesy visit with congratulations? Who should we congratulate and on what? Because some will destroy others, and in the literal sense.

      Neutrality, so neutrality. And since Russia’s totem animal is a bear, there is no need to make it a JACKAL.

      And Skomorokhov believes that Putin will have to fly to Israel or Palestine (or to Iran and again to Israel as the creator and sponsor of Hamas?) and congratulate the winners on their victory
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    1. +1
      12 October 2023 08: 21
      because they are Palestinians
      It’s not because they are potential Hamasites that the de-Hamasification of Gaza is taking place. smile You need to understand. laughing
  23. +4
    12 October 2023 07: 44
    In view of the fact that all the thoughts and aspirations of the sons of Israel are on the side of the OUN and the Ukrainian Armed Forces, I will root for the team in black, red and green swimsuits. For not
  24. +20
    12 October 2023 07: 46
    I fully support the majority of commentators that we should all be for Russia. And in the Middle East, let them figure it out themselves. They have been fighting there for more than 800 years, since the capture of Jerusalem by the troops of Salah ad-Din.
    ps There was an active campaign on television with calls to quickly evacuate “Russian citizens” from Israel. In my opinion, there are only Israeli citizens in Israel now, some of them have Russian passports. So they should be left alone. They ran away on their own, let them get out themselves.
    1. +4
      12 October 2023 08: 18
      They ran away on their own, let them get out themselves.
      Chubais, for example, got out on his own. He flew away, I don’t know if he promised to return to Israel.
    2. +7
      12 October 2023 08: 33
      Oh, these dual citizenships. You have received a passport from a “other” state, which means you are already a citizen of that “other” state with all that it entails. It’s a pity for the people, but the choice was made and it was an Israeli security officer who died, not a citizen of the Russian Federation, who for some reason worked in the security forces of the country, which is the main ally of our potential enemy.
    3. +5
      12 October 2023 12: 01
      Small clarification. Salah ad-Din did not capture, but recaptured Jerusalem almost a hundred years after the Crusaders captured it and at the same time they massacred the entire Muslim population of the city. Otherwise you are misleading people...
  25. 0
    12 October 2023 07: 48
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?

    Not for those and not for others. I am against those (51 countries) who are waging war on us in Ukraine.
    I am for Russia.

  26. +3
    12 October 2023 08: 01
    Exclusively for Israel. Because a very interesting scheme is emerging: a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza - refugees - the path to Europe - accept Germany, France, etc. an instant replenishment of 2 million new parasites. And not just parasites, but extremely angry parasites. Good luck, guys. Aufwiedersehen Ukraine! There will be no time for her now.
  27. -1
    12 October 2023 08: 16
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?
    Let me paraphrase one dialogue from a famous film. Who is the President of Russia for? ...?...Here I am for the one for whom the President of Russia. laughing laughing
    1. +7
      12 October 2023 08: 33
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Who is the President of Russia for?

      But there is no intrigue or mystery here. Tadam:

      So, the partially mobilized will soon go to defend their “native Palestines”
      1. +3
        12 October 2023 09: 15
        But there is no intrigue or mystery here
        Well, in the photo, there is only the “top of the president”, and what is there below? The photo, there is no “underwater part” of it? laughing The main thing is the “underwater part” laughing
      2. +4
        12 October 2023 09: 15
        Photoshop is of poor quality. Probably homemade.
        Learn, learn and learn Photoshop again the real way!
        (Illegitimate grandson of K. Marx & F. Engels

        wassat
        1. +2
          12 October 2023 09: 37
          Poor quality photoshop
          And what's the point of wishful thinking? laughing
    2. -3
      12 October 2023 08: 37
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Here I am for the one for whom the President of Russia

      If we are citizens of Russia, then it cannot be otherwise.

      1. 0
        12 October 2023 22: 57
        Quote: Boris55
        Here I am for the one for whom the President of Russia

        If we are citizens of Russia, then it cannot be otherwise.

        But Putin has definitely stated that he supports one of the sides. Meeting with the Iraqi leader, he stated that achieving peace is only possible if the fundamental interests of both Palestinians and Israelis are respected. On the other hand, he refused to meet with the leader of Palestine Abbas until Hamas released the hostages they had taken. By the way, even the Taliban seem to have refused Hamas military support and condemned the taking of women and children hostage. It’s somehow stupid for the Russian president to be a greater ally of Hamas than the Taliban.
  28. +2
    12 October 2023 08: 27
    We are for Israel or for Palestine

    First of all, you must be for your people and your state.... All this distant geopolitics - only after solving your own problems!!!!!
    1. +5
      12 October 2023 08: 33
      Judging by the disadvantages displayed, it is necessary to take one side or another, to be for your country and people, which is not in trend at the moment laughing
  29. 0
    12 October 2023 08: 32
    In ancient times, I had a favorite toast. “Let’s drink to the Franco-Spanish war! And not because we really want them to fight there, but because our guys won’t die there!” I propose to take the same position regarding the war in the Middle (not to us) East. It would be pragmatic to provide assistance to the winning side at the end of the conflict, for example, in restoring industry :), like in Europe.
  30. +2
    12 October 2023 08: 33
    In Soviet times, and even in Russian times, it somehow happened that we were like a cork in every barrel. And the whole world was divided into “ours” and “not ours”. And, accordingly, they rushed to support someone. Money, weapons, personnel...
    wassat wassat wassat
    This is called foreign policy.
  31. 0
    12 October 2023 08: 34
    It’s difficult to speak for or against someone when, in principle, nothing depends on you. It’s interesting that Israel itself, as a state, seems to me to be beneficial even to the most sworn enemies, otherwise the Islamic world would still have united, and I’m afraid a wave of anger would simply sweep away Israel as a state, and at the same time a couple of aircraft carriers parked nearby.. Still, in this case, strength will not be equal at all, even with technological superiority..
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 10: 35
      Technological superiority easily dissolves any crowd.
      1. +1
        12 October 2023 19: 49
        This was especially clear in Kabul, where the commander of the US Marine Corps was almost late for the last flight.
        1. +1
          12 October 2023 23: 03
          Quote: Kasatik
          where the commander of the US Marine Corps was almost late for the last flight.

          The Taliban are sane people. When those whom the Americans did not intend to take back boarded the planes, the Taliban allowed the United States to send additional planes to fly to the United States for those who had received a visa to the United States but did not have time to board. It seems that the Taliban even controlled the boarding on these additional planes to prevent stowaways.
  32. +5
    12 October 2023 08: 52
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?

    Who would doubt that the course of history goes in a spiral...

    * * *
    However, there is another point in this story that is directly related to us and our country.

    Everything related to our country is said in the first comment:
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Personally, I am flattered by the hope that at least part of the top leadership of the Russian Federation is for Russia!

    * * *
    That’s where we’ll talk about what prospects we have.

    This is what we need to talk about today, before the country finds itself in economic ruins, which the bourgeoisie of all stripes and nationalities are so amicably creating in our country...
  33. +2
    12 October 2023 09: 01
    Is it possible to find out who incited the Hamas Turks, the British or Israel itself?
  34. +2
    12 October 2023 09: 18
    Bravo Roman, super analysis!! This is exactly the article that thoughtful readers have been waiting for. Finally, the shadow side of the conflict is shown and who benefits from it. The final conclusions are great.
  35. +1
    12 October 2023 09: 19
    These ones in tracksuits and flip-flops, enthusiastically shooting civilians, everyone in a row - well, so-so allies.
    Is carpet bombing Gaza normal? Of course, the Israeli regime has all the signs of a fascist, Israel is guilty of genocide of the civilian population of Palestine. We unconditionally support the defenseless Palestinians.
  36. +3
    12 October 2023 09: 27
    All this, in fact, is a generalization of what is already known.
    That all countries will try to act to their advantage? so it's logical. USA for USA, China for China.
    For the Russian Federation - IMHO - 3 features are important
    1) an example for Muslims. We also have a lot of them and they shout Allah Akbar too, and quite officially
    and an example for other inadequate people.
    2) Our citizens travel to Israel quite safely, and not only Abramovichs, but also ordinary people.
    But is it safe to travel to Palestine? Iran? and others? You know it yourself
    3) Powerful Jewish lobby. From the oligarchs and the government, to the well-known Kadmi, who, by the way, was an anti-Russian intelligence officer, and now a “TV and Internet star.” - hints at reality
  37. +1
    12 October 2023 09: 39
    Good article, but China's interests are not fully disclosed. Who remembers Taiwan today? Nobody. Taiwan has dropped off the political agenda, literally, completely.
    1. +1
      12 October 2023 19: 51
      It didn't fall out anywhere. It's like that gopher - if they didn't mention it in the news program, it doesn't mean that the gopher doesn't exist.
  38. +4
    12 October 2023 09: 51
    This war has all the hallmarks of religious fanaticism and medieval barbarism on both sides. It is better, of course, to be neutral.
  39. +8
    12 October 2023 09: 59
    Quote: old
    It is reported that several hundred foreign advisers who were involved in coordinating and training the Ukronazis are urgently returning from Ukraine to Israel.


    In Israel they are called volunteers, or IDF vacationers.
    Like the Israeli government didn’t send them to kill Russians, they wanted it that way.

    This is all disgusting.
    Remember how at the beginning of the Northern Military District, 43 such “IDF volunteers” were captured in the Donbass).
    And then they were returned to Israel with lightning speed, through Erriyadh.

    Can you imagine the influence Israel has on the Kremlin if war criminals were returned to their homeland so quickly?

    On TV, the obscurantist Shaitan Shapiro (Soloviev's maiden name) is again screaming about the poor Jews of Israel, and the kgova Palestinian terrorists.

    As always, not a word about the monstrous casualties (especially children) among civilians from Israeli strikes.
  40. +5
    12 October 2023 10: 14
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Stop writing about Jews already, as long as you can? Everyone knows how these two Semitic peoples love each other, everyone understands that they will kill each other, the beneficiaries will receive benefits, the common people will die, then they will agree again until next time and so on, there is more interesting news.

    Well, it’s just that there are a lot of Jews in all the world’s media. Both ordinary scribblers and owners and managers. This news comes from all sources 24 hours a day.
  41. +4
    12 October 2023 10: 16
    Good luck to everyone in the battles.
    The Palestinians and the Israelis were invented 100 years ago, as are the Israelis and the Palestinians, but we have the Ukrainians, who were invented around the same time.
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 16: 56
      Invented 100 years ago by Palestinians

      "There are no Palestinians, but Syrian Arabs." Hafez Assad.
  42. +6
    12 October 2023 10: 17
    Dear Administration!... Hmm... What's going on? Is someone grading on my behalf? For several days now, after reading the comment, I’ve been trying to evaluate it, but a sign pops up saying you’ve already done this. Check, please! I don't suffer from split personality.
  43. +4
    12 October 2023 10: 21
    In this conflict, you need to wish good luck and victory to both sides. It is important not to interfere and observe from the sidelines.
  44. +1
    12 October 2023 10: 28
    We stand for what benefits us. And it’s beneficial for us - a big and long slaughter. And here even a victory for Israel and the United States is good, since with this victory they can cover up their defeat in Ukraine. To save face, so to speak
  45. +10
    12 October 2023 10: 33
    While the electorate is thinking with its clouded brain about whom it should fit in with, bankers and businessmen are making a huge gamble.

    Here is an example of how this happens in Russia during the SVO:

    The ruble is heading towards 100 per dollar due to ongoing uncontrolled withdrawal of capital from the Russian Federation

    The balance of trade in goods and services in the currencies of unfriendly countries, which remained in sharp surplus and which financial authorities blamed for all our troubles, collapsed from a surplus of 25-30 billion dollars per month in the first half of 2022 to a zero balance in mid-2023.

    And yet, this did not help the ruble, it continues to fall and is already heading towards the 100 mark, which could become critical for inflation pressure in the Russian Federation - and in this situation, the role of the Central Bank can generally be described as approximately zero without a stick.

    Where else does the demand for dollars and euros come from? This includes:

    ▪️payment of investment income to non-residents - in 2022, Russia paid $80,5 billion in investment income, but received only $35,8 billion, that is, these currency flows are huge, and this is the most mysterious category, because there is no understanding of how much was blocked on various special accounts;

    ▪️sale of foreign property in Russia in favor of residents and exit of non-residents from Russia - now these transactions come with a large discount, there are limits on the withdrawal of capital, and there is no data on how much sales were realized and how much was withdrawn;

    ▪️capital outflow initiated by residents, both individuals and businesses, and it is a record one; for a year and a half from the beginning of 2022 to the second quarter of 2023, the net outflow amounted to $267 billion (an average of $44,5 billion per quarter).

    “It follows from this that the main factor in destabilizing the ruble exchange rate is the export of capital to unfriendly countries, which is actually condoned by the leadership of the Central Bank,” economist and MEF expert Sergei Glazyev comments on these data.

    But on TV they will again tell us about the “existential war with the West,” and even Siluanov will verbally change his shoes into turbo-patriots, repeating Lenin’s “everything for the front, everything for victory.”
    1. -3
      12 October 2023 10: 45
      Quote: Factor
      This did not help the ruble; it continues to fall and is already heading towards the 100 mark, which could become critical for inflation pressure in the Russian Federation

      Don't pretend to be an economist, you're bad at it. So far, after Putin signed the next Decree (what kind of decree - you’ll find out for yourself), the dollar... is a bit of that... request


      If you start trolling, at least do it more subtly... buddy Yes
      1. +8
        12 October 2023 13: 31
        Quote: Repellent
        dollar... slightly that...

        What? Returned to the usual values ​​of 60?

        It was 100, but now it’s 97. This is not “the same” at all, but a minor change within the limits of two-week volatility. Back at the end of September, the dollar was trading at these values.

        What happened? The government raised the exchange rate to a hundred rubles, and then decided that that was enough. Now, in the best case, the growth of the dollar will stop (for some time), but will in no way decline to the previous ruble values.

        Quote: Repellent
        If you start trolling, at least do it more subtly... buddy

        Advice from a seasoned troll!
  46. +9
    12 October 2023 10: 48
    That's the question. If it were written in other words, it would sound like this: Are you for ghouls or for ghouls? Both sides are too bloodthirsty and not selective in their methods. To give preference to one of them.
    1. +6
      12 October 2023 12: 37
      That's the question. If we wrote it in other words, it would sound like this: Are you for ghouls or for ghouls?

      I couldn't pass by! Bravo!
      good drinks wassat )))
  47. +7
    12 October 2023 10: 58
    All “urban” cultures of the Ancient World, the Middle Ages, New and Contemporary times, developing to the level of civilizations, come to a direct or indirect, but strict property division of their inhabitants, recorded by the ancient Greek Athenian Solon, known for his famous “Solon reforms” carried out in Athens in the XNUMXth century BC. These reforms divided the population of the Athenian polis into 4 property categories according to the degree of their income with the ownership of “market-valuable” property and representation in the legislative, executive and judicial authorities. The first, in terms of status and capabilities, are the “five hundred-medium” representatives of the family policy aristocracy and large and very rich moneylenders and speculators who have enriched themselves through financial and trade transactions. After them, in terms of the degree of their influence and the same opportunities to represent their interests in government bodies, come the “riders,” that is, average owners. Behind the “horsemen”, the bulk of the city’s population - the “polis”, acting as the third property category, are “zeugites”, that is, literally, “having a pair of oxen” small owners-owners. And the poorest, “unsporting” citizens in the city are the poor people - “fetas”. More than two thousand years of history of all urban civilizations testifies to a similar explicit or implicit division of the population into ranks or political classes, depending on their attitude towards the ownership of “privatized” property. In my opinion, urban, that is, bourgeois societies in Israel are “developing” in the same way. And in Russia, by the way, too. Naturally, peace and harmony between “tailored” and “non-sportsmanlike” citizens are IMPOSSIBLE IN PRINCIPLE, except for forced unions and temporary agreements, which are concluded in order to break them (... As a result of the formation, development and concentration of irreconcilable contradictions between the listed “class” layers of the population, revolutions and civil wars occur, as well as severe political and economic crises, one of which is now taking place and developing in Israel. Today, the Jewish state is “ruled” by “horsemen” - Zionists, representatives of the middle bourgeoisie, who want to impose their will and realize the dominance of their interests, in relation to the Jewish large financial oligarchy, located, for the most part, in the USA and Great Britain, as well as in relation to the petty bourgeois environment, and to the “sportless” fetas - the urban poor. And all this “struggle” between urban “property categories” in Israel is taking place against the backdrop of a permanent war with the Palestinian and Lebanese populations, which for decades have consistently, harshly, and sometimes simply cruelly been deprived of their “historical” territories. And no matter how, and no matter what the Jewish “experts” tell about the “animal” cruelty of Hamas, and it is truly inhumane(!), this cruelty has ALWAYS been mutual! (And to cut this “Gordian knot” of mutual hatred, for today day, only wars can (. Wars of varying degrees of intensity. All attempts by the “world civilized community”, political subjects in Israel itself, in the Palestinian territories, in Lebanon, to find a reasonable compromise, lead nowhere (. In addition to the mass of internal contradictions between the global Jewish financial oligarchy, the “horses”, “zevgits” and “fetas” of Israel, which do not in any way contribute to civil peace in the country, world actors are constantly promoting conflicts with the Arabs of the Middle East and the Persians of Iran, directly according to the ancient Roman principle: " “Divide and conquer!” (For example, the Jewish financial oligarchy often needs to keep Israel “on a short leash” and within the framework of the foreign and internal policies of the Jewish state that are beneficial ONLY for them. The framework they form (... And radical Islamist organizations may well be used by them as “chain dogs” of the global oligarchy, showing the “riders” and “zeugites” where they should follow and what to do)... But, in general, there is no peaceful way out today in this extremely twisted and cruel situation, in my subjective opinion(. Therefore, I think that the principle will be the same: “From war to war”(. Because for a stable peace in the “Promised Land”, it is necessary to destroy the world domination of the Jewish financial oligarchy on the one hand, and, on the other hand, to strictly “enforce peace” on subjects seeking to destroy the national state of Israel. But today, without a brutal world war, this is impossible(.

    PS And there is still no peace in the “Kingdom of Heaven”(...
    1. +5
      12 October 2023 12: 49
      And then I couldn’t pass by.
      Dear Oleg, thank you for your comment! You have shown a new, unexpected reason for the conflict. The whole world is, as it were, a secret, undeclared territory of the Jews, and rich Jews from one country can punish poorer Jews from another.
      1. +4
        12 October 2023 13: 56
        Please. Do ladies “engage” men?) winked
  48. +4
    12 October 2023 11: 00
    If Palestinian Arabs do not want to live in the same state with Jews, then the territory of Palestine must be divided into two independent states in accordance with the UN decision of 1947.
    ps True, according to this UN decision, the Arab state received scanty pieces that also did not have common borders. Gaza is one of these pieces.
  49. +7
    12 October 2023 11: 21
    This is a foreign conflict that has nothing to do with Russia. Only impressionable fools will choose a side, but their intelligence contributes to this. Or people directly involved in one of the parties. Well, or you belong to the USA. These also have a plug in every hole. good
  50. +4
    12 October 2023 11: 25
    The most profitable thing is if the whole world gets mired in conflicts, and the Russian Federation makes money from it without directly participating.
    1. +9
      12 October 2023 11: 32
      You just made up the USA laughing
  51. -2
    12 October 2023 11: 38
    How can you be for terrorists who kill children and women?
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 17: 03
      https://lenta.ru/news/2021/10/21/pogovorka_/
      Putin described the situation in the world with the saying “your shirt is closer to your body”

      The approach of other countries according to the principle “your shirt is closer to your body” has finally become the norm and no one is trying to hide it, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a plenary session as part of the XNUMXth annual meeting of the Valdai Club.

      According to the Russian leader, they often “even boast” of this approach, putting it on display.

      «Selfish interests have completely taken over the concept of the common good"Putin said.
    2. -1
      16 October 2023 13: 29
      But can you be more specific about who and who you call, otherwise how illusory everything is! At the moment, according to international data, in Gaza, Israel has killed thousands of children and women with elderly people blown up along with multi-storey buildings, and the killings are currently continuing! According to Arab rules, their entire family is mostly at home. And mostly men roam the streets, so they are under the rubble, and not the “terrorists” from whom Israel took the land!
  52. +6
    12 October 2023 11: 44
    It is hardly appropriate to say that they fight each other out of hatred and to the last. If an independent Palestinian state had been created, on an equal basis with Israel, there would have been no war. But Israel and the Anglo-Saxons did not allow the creation of such a state. This conflict has been going on since 1967, flaring up and then dying out. This is a war for lands, for the ashes of ancestors, for faith. If Palestine can still be created, the war will end.
  53. +8
    12 October 2023 11: 55
    I am for internationalism.

    In general, what they said about “barbarian wars” was correct. Both sides are involved in barbarity, and no matter how you reconcile them, the conflict will continue to smolder, and all the helpers of one side or another and the conciliators will receive only problems instead of gratitude.
  54. +7
    12 October 2023 12: 04
    It's time for us to be for Russia.
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    1. -2
      12 October 2023 16: 45
      In this vein, we would like to support Palestine.
      At least give them everything captured from NATO that wasn’t used for study.
      Well, speak out for her politically.
  56. +3
    12 October 2023 14: 22
    We wish success to both sides of the conflict...it wouldn’t hurt them for another 5 years
  57. +6
    12 October 2023 14: 26
    What's the point of choosing a side if you can't influence it in any way?
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  59. +7
    12 October 2023 14: 55
    The question arises - what prevents our Central Asian individuals in slippers and short pants, with the support of hot Caucasian guys, from doing the same thing in Russia? I think the diaspora was not far behind Hamas in purchasing weapons, you know where. Plus, according to the latest polls, how many ghasts are actually going to defend their wishes in our home with arms in hand? That is, they are already ready to shoot, rape and cut off heads.
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  61. +1
    12 October 2023 16: 28
    "I am for the International!"
    As Vasily Ivanovich said.
    Taking a definitive position is short-sighted.
    There should always be an open door through which you can evacuate...
  62. +1
    12 October 2023 16: 43
    It's simple.
    Iran is for us in the “question of the Ukrainians.”
    This means we must be for him on the “question of the Jews”, but he is still against them.
    This is a matter of basic decency and gratitude.
    1. +3
      12 October 2023 16: 54
      Iran is for us in the “question of the Ukrainians.”


      What, Iran suddenly recognized Crimea as Russian?
      And recognized the entry of new regions into Russia?
      No, he didn't do anything like that.
      The only thing he did was sell us a UAV.

      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2023/63c93a919a79479d647a61db
      Crimea became part of Russia in 2014, and the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - in October 2022. Before this, referendums were held in all regions. Iran stressed that it does not recognize the regions as Russian

      “We recognize the sovereignty and territorial integrity of countries within the framework of international laws...Because we insist on our consistent principle in foreign policy: when we say that the conflict in Ukraine is not a solution“We believe in our position as a fundamental political principle,” Abdollahian said (quoted by TASS).
      1. 0
        13 October 2023 17: 36
        Quote from: dump22
        DID Iran Suddenly Recognize Crimea as Russian?

        In Practice Yes But Iran Canficially Recognize the Process of Voting for Independence and Separation of Part of Territory.
        because that could be used by Kurd in the future and it's for the same reason China do not recognize them due to Taiwanese problems.
        but unlike China, Iran supported Russia with meaningful help which is only kind of help that actually matters.
        the people who bringing up the fact that Iran didn't recognize Crimea are from 2 kind of people first kind are simply idiots who expects Iran to do something that could cost territorial integrity of Iran without no added benefit to the situation of Russia -Iran relations.
        second one are those who are traitorous people that pocket the benefit and when it's their turn to act as friends point to that to convince others that actually not only they are not traitor and backstabber, you are the naive to act honorable because in this situation Iran wasn't even your friend and ignored the fact that Iran remained on Russian side even after being told that if remain on the side of Russia not only US won't go back on JCAPO but add more sanction on them.
        for this kind of people no matter what you do for them or what cost you to do it they are always going to betray you on the most critical times and find something to use as excuse no matter how stupid and unrealistic is so you shouldn't trust them.
        Which One Are You?
  63. +2
    12 October 2023 16: 48
    It is very difficult to assess what is happening.


    And in my opinion it’s very simple.

    Moral rationale:
    Hamas began to behave like ISIS. And deserves the same fate.

    Legal basis:
    The Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) has self-proclaimed itself as a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. And by the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation dated February 14, 2003, the Muslim Brotherhood organization was recognized as terrorist and its activities on the territory of the Russian Federation were prohibited.
    1. -1
      12 October 2023 16: 53
      Israel deserved what happened with its genocide against the Palestinians.
      1. -1
        12 October 2023 23: 10
        Quote: Ulum
        Israel deserved what happened with its genocide against the Palestinians.

        Arabs in Israel are reproducing faster than heterodox Jews. What kind of genocide is this when people increase their numbers?
        1. -1
          16 October 2023 13: 31
          Judging by the foreign territories captured by Israel, Israel is committing genocide!
    2. +3
      12 October 2023 18: 52
      DUMP22,
      That's right. But the printing press can say after 20 years that it has reconsidered the details and the Muslim Brotherhood is no longer the enemy. Arkady Arkanov also had a song on this topic. There was “Thatcher is no longer Yaga”...
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    1. +3
      12 October 2023 23: 17
      Quote: Ulum
      The Palestinians do not fight against us in Ukraine and do not supply weapons to the Ukrainians.

      The Crimean Tatars are fighting against us there. A lot of Muslim countries voted for the confiscation of Russian assets, even Afghanistan, for which Lavrov abolished customs duties on trade for this anti-Russian action. Or so the Taliban thanked Russia for the abolition of customs duties for Afghanistan. Just 20 years ago, Arabs were quite active in helping terrorists in Chechnya. Weapons were supplied en masse from Egypt to the Afghan dushmans. This is how Egypt thanked the USSR for military-technical cooperation from 1956 to 1975. Israel was not noticed in this.
  65. +2
    12 October 2023 16: 54
    Not us, but the Kremlin.
    And the Kremlin is for Israel. After all, Shelomov, Mendel, etc. are there.
  66. +1
    12 October 2023 16: 56
    I am for Russia!!!
    And in this particular batch, you couldn’t say it better:
    "Plague on both your houses"
    (C)
  67. +2
    12 October 2023 18: 48
    Interesting title. Who is “we” for you? Each person decides for himself, especially when it concerns a conflict not directly related to him, his Homeland or his loved ones.
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  69. 0
    12 October 2023 19: 16
    We must be for what weakens our enemies and that’s it. Israel is pursuing an anti-Russian policy, which means it is an enemy.
  70. m..
    +1
    12 October 2023 19: 20
    Well, like the “automotive”, in tracksuits, they also want to live a little better in their own land, and the Jew wants to live there, and they lived relatively calmly for millennia, maybe after all the Jew’s country should not exist. And yes, Arabs, of course, are also not the guys with whom you need to be best friends, but you shouldn’t argue with anyone either. And yes, now the Jewish state supports the country with which we are at war
  71. +1
    12 October 2023 19: 47
    The novel was well presented. Competently and clearly. Being neither a political scientist, nor a sinologist, nor Middle Eastern studies, he showed that it is enough to have a reasonable head and the ability to think. Something that many people clearly lack.
  72. 0
    12 October 2023 19: 52
    Netanyahu, whom the whole country was against because of his judicial reform, so what.
    [quote][I don’t know where you got this from. Bibi has a lot of right-wing support/quote]
  73. +1
    12 October 2023 19: 54
    “And here the most important question is: is it necessary?” No need.
  74. 0
    12 October 2023 19: 59
    Iran's list of such victories is impressive. Lebanon. Syria. Iraq. Yemen.
    Don’t get too impressed, Roman. They are invited to tease the IDF and pull their mustaches. Some have already pulled
  75. +2
    12 October 2023 20: 19
    Another layout. Everything is correct, everything on the shelves? Are you sure? The war began without shelves and layouts. This is a mistake. We think with yesterday’s ideas. I won’t write my layout, but I’m far from the author.
  76. -1
    12 October 2023 20: 23
    Here, strange people in Russia. 10 percent of Russian speakers in Israel. I wonder how many Russian speakers there are already in the Aza sector?
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 13: 36
      There is the same percentage from all over the USSR, mostly female and the majority from Ukraine.
  77. +2
    12 October 2023 20: 50
    Quote: zontov79
    I don’t know about you, but I am for Palestine!

    Do you know that Hamas is fighting in Ukraine and guess whose side it’s on.
  78. +1
    12 October 2023 21: 11
    I think that we should support Russia, as they wrote here. And Russia, represented by its leadership, says that it is necessary to finally implement the UN General Assembly resolution on the creation of a Palestinian state, and only then will peace come to those places. Russia is supported in this by China, Turkey, and many others. Will there be victory for Israel? - I think it won't. The times of the six-day wars and the Yom Kippur Wars are over, now Israel has no military superiority (the United States does not have it either), Russia and China and their allies have superiority in military equipment. It is still easy for Israel to bomb Gaza, but even the United States could not demolish all of Mosul, and the Gaza Strip is much larger than Mosul, and Israel is not the United States (“what is due to Jupiter is not due to a bull”) and protests in the world are growing. A ground operation will cost Israel enormous casualties, and a complicating situation with Hezbollah could put Israel in an extremely difficult position, especially if Hezbollah receives modern air defense and anti-ship missile systems: then not a single plane will take off from Israeli territory, not a single ship will enter its ports. And this is quite real. And even an American aircraft carrier group is unlikely to help here.

    After the recent attacks on targets in Syria, the Syrians are activating their air defense and, apparently, Israel will no longer be able to dominate their skies. Moral: Israel was spared for the time being; they will no longer play giveaway games with it. The war will drag on, perhaps for years, and it will cost enormous material and human losses on both sides. The West will have to finance Israel. - Those 300 thousand mobilized Israelis will need to be fed, and this (together with the regular army) is almost half of the Jewish male population, and the Israelis have much greater appetites than the Ukrainians. And mobilizations may continue, not to mention the supply of weapons and ammunition. That’s why Zelensky almost panics: he understands that Ukraine already lacks the same shells, and soon their supplies will be half as much. Then: conflicts may appear in other places. So it's all just beginning...
  79. -1
    12 October 2023 21: 24
    I don’t trust Jews whose life motto is: “Whatever the benefit!” Who wrote sacred scriptures for all nations on how to live and only allowed themselves (the Jews) to engage in trade and usury (Learn history....
  80. -2
    12 October 2023 22: 32
    Philosophical and religious analysis of the situation

    An indisputable fact. THE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION DOES NOT EXIST IN THE WEST.

    The escalation of Israel's war with Palestine will undoubtedly consolidate the Islamic world.

    Conservatives in the West are again talking about defending “Judeo-Christian civilization in the face of Muslims” - radical ideology Hamas gives them a convenient reason for this.

    However, a society of deep atheism, materialism, legalization of all types of perversions, which has long abandoned theology and traditional values ​​(and orientations) cannot be considered either Christian or Jewish.

    If the West, as it is now, supports Israel, it is seriously guilty of something.
    After all, if the devil's civilization is on your side, then you did something wrong.
    There is no Judeo-Christian world. This is nonsense.

    But the Islamic world, on the contrary, exists, and traditions are still strong in it.
    It turns out that it is not Judeo-Christians against Muslims, but Muslims against Satanic culture, against Dajjal.

    Biden’s idea to combine the topic of support for Ukraine with support for Israel only emphasizes this: the West is always on the side of those who submit to its hegemony and serve it.

    Muslims were not enemies of Ukraine and allies of Russia (with the exception of the eschatologically awakened Iran and Syria), but now they will be.

    Russia is the pole of a multipolar world.

    Islam is the pole of a multipolar world.

    Both poles are opposed to the West's desperate attempts to save unipolarity and its global dominance at any cost - even at the cost of a World War.

    The Palestinian conflict with Israel was not the front line of a conflict of civilizations. Now it has. Just like the tensions between Russia and Ukraine were of a regional nature, until the Kyiv Nazis were supported by the West.
    And then the war in Ukraine became the front of a global confrontation between multipolarity and unipolarity.

    The scale of this confrontation is growing. The situation is becoming more and more sinister.
    Already billions of people on the planet are convinced that the collective West and its allies are absolute evil and civilization Antichrist.

    Maybe save the world from Apocalypse or at least postpone it, can only be the arrival of Trump in the United States or the beginning of a full-fledged civil war there. Democrats, globalists and neocons are leading humanity straight into the abyss. Which, strictly speaking, is what demons should do.
    1. -4
      12 October 2023 22: 54
      Quote: Factor
      Palestinian conflict with Israel was not the front line of the conflict of civilizations. Now it has. As well as friction between Russia and Ukraine were regional in nature until the Kyiv Nazis were supported by the West.
      And then the war in Ukraine became the front of a global confrontation between multipolarity and unipolarity

      Well, let's compare vegetable with finger... young man:

      - You don’t know how to demagogue. What you write is too cheap demagoguery, it’s even lazy to disassemble it into components
      - global conclusions are not for you. I said Yes

      The troll is cheap, disposable... this is much closer to you. Tolik Yes laughing
      1. 0
        13 October 2023 08: 55
        The globolism of the materialists is dying out, only the lazy one does not see, having gorged himself on vegetables.
        A finger to help the home-grown know-it-all.

        Nothing has changed since Plato.
        The idea rules the world, and people only have different interpretations of the idea, expressed primarily in religious and philosophical concepts. The result is a conflict of ambitions.
  81. 0
    12 October 2023 22: 35
    I would like to add to my post about who we should support: our president says that civilians, on both sides, need to be left alone (not to mention atrocities), and the leaders of China and not only them speak about the need to stop the bloodshed. I completely agree with this.
  82. 0
    13 October 2023 01: 51
    We need to be not for Israel or for Palestine, but for ourselves. And advocate for a cessation of hostilities, the exchange of prisoners and the release of hostages, and the resolution of the conflict on the basis of UN resolutions on the creation of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders
  83. 0
    13 October 2023 01: 59
    Quote: U-58
    I would also be for Palestine. Like a normal Soviet citizen. But, remembering history, when Arafat authorized the kidnapping and murder of our diplomats in Lebanon, it was no longer for the Palestinians.
    I remember that after the events described, support for the PLO from the Union sharply declined. And rightly so.
    And then: what is the programmatic life goal of the average Israeli?
    Yes, work for the good of the family and the country. What about the Arab?
    Work as little as possible, deceive, impale your neighbor. And it’s even better to not work at all, but to be a member of an armed formation, where money is easily given. Fortunately, military failures do not affect the situation. An example is the Syrian army. You can also add the army of Afghanistan (not Arabs, but the mentality is the same).
    So for whom?
    No, not for anyone.
    Is it possible to use the profit from redirecting military aid “past” Ukraine.

    And this kidnapping ended beautifully
  84. 0
    13 October 2023 02: 36
    I am for Russia. Others are not interested hi
  85. +2
    13 October 2023 07: 38
    I don’t believe either one or the other. One step back and two forward. They allow a thousand Jews to die and others caught up in the massacre in order to force a million to get out of the Promised Land. Remember history, on this territory two states of Israel and Palestine were to be formed, where the second, and there behind the river in a concentration camp.
  86. -1
    13 October 2023 08: 23
    Not us, but the Kremlin.
    I would speak for peace to the children of Palestine and Israel.
    But the desire for peace is now persecuted by law.
    Wolves in sheep's clothing took off their mask.
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    1. 0
      16 October 2023 20: 27
      Cool though! I wrote that the Jew Benya Landa first invented laser electrostatic offset printing, and then inkjet offset printing with zero dot gain, and received two minuses for this.
  88. 0
    13 October 2023 11: 49
    The historical merit of the Arabs is that they, having adopted the achievements of science of ancient times, developed it further and passed it on to the peoples of the West, thus becoming a bridge between antiquity and modern civilization. The works of Euclid, Archimedes and Ptolemy became known to Western Europe thanks to the Arabs...... Having an idea of ​​​​the sphericity of the earth, the Arabs in 827 in the Syrian desert measured the meridian arc to determine the size of the globe, corrected and supplemented astrological tables, and gave names to many stars (Vega, Aldebaran, Altair). There were observatories in Baghdad, Samarkand and Damascus.

    Having borrowed the Indian digital system, Arab scientists began to operate with large numbers, and from them came the concept of “algebra,” first used by the Central Asian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi (780-850). Al-Battani (850-929) developed trigonometric functions (sine, tangent, cotangent), and Abu-l-Wafa al-Buzjani (940-997) made a number of outstanding discoveries in the field of geometry and astronomy. Using the work of Galen and Hippocrates, Arab scientists developed medicine and studied the medicinal properties of a number of minerals and plants. Ibn al-Baytar described more than 2600 medicines and medicinal and other plants in alphabetical order, including about 300 new ones. The medical knowledge of the Arabs was brought together by the hospital surgeon in Baghdad, Muhammad al-Razi (865-925) and Ibn Sina (980-1037), whose work “The Canon of Medicine” became a reference book for Western European doctors of the 721th-815th centuries. Arab ophthalmology had a concept of the structure of the eye close to the modern one. A number of discoveries in pharmacological chemistry were made by the alchemist Jabir ibn Hayyan (XNUMX-XNUMX).

    The Arabs introduced the peoples of different countries, including Western Europe, to advanced products made of iron, steel, leather, wool, etc., borrowed a compass, gunpowder, paper from the Chinese, brought hemp, rice, silkworms to Western Europe, indigo paint; borrowed cotton culture from China and advanced it far to the West; For the first time they began to produce cane sugar, and a large number of horticultural and agricultural crops were acclimatized.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабская_культура

    And that's not all. So the services of Arab civilization to humanity are quite great. This is for those who consider Palestinians and, in general, Arabs to be “beasts”.
    1. 0
      13 October 2023 12: 11
      Just when did all this happen? Let's go back to closer times. For the last couple of centuries, the Arabs, alas, have nothing to boast about, and their military infirmity has become proverbial. How sad!
      1. 0
        13 October 2023 18: 25
        What could the Jews boast of in terms of military power, not counting the last decades, well, or a century or two, if we talk about achievements in science, technology, and art? - Moral: everything is temporary, the wheel of history turns, raising some peoples and lowering others. This is fine. The decline of the unipolar world may also mean the decline of Jewish civilization.... The Rothschild and Co. clan is fading into history, this cannot be changed...
        1. 0
          16 October 2023 20: 34
          Quote: Andrey A
          achievements in science and technology

          I just wrote, this is just what I deal with myself and understand a little about.
          And since it is not citizens of the state of Israel who are remembered, but simply Jews, the first thing that comes to mind is Gurevich, who is MiG, Losino-Lozinsky, who is Wrath Ebenich laughing , Augustinovich, Magaziner, who Lavochkin Semyon Alekseevich. Ballin, the creator of HAPAG, was the first to risk ordering ocean-going ships from Vulcan.
          Continue further, or do you read something yourself?
    2. 0
      13 October 2023 18: 30
      Quote: Andrey A
      : And that's not all. So the merits of the Arab civilization to humanity are quite great. This is for those who consider the Palestinians and, in general, the Arabs to be "beasts."


      All of Scientist that You MentionalD Arb Such as Kharasmi, Bironi. Avicenna. and razi not event Arabs Dispute that
      1. 0
        2 December 2023 23: 40
        Well, they wrote in Arabic, they were part of the Arab culture. The same Einstein A. spoke German, so what. And here, in fact, are the Arabs:
        Abu-s-Salt Umayya ibn Abd al-Aziz ibn Abi-s-Salt al-Dani al-Andalusi (c. 1068, Denia, Spain - October 23, 1134, Bejaia, Algeria) - Arab mathematician, astronomer, historian, physician, poet and musician. Studied in Denia and Seville. Later he went to Alexandria (1096-1112), and then to Magdia, where he served as a court panegyrist and chronicler. Traveled to Palermo several times. Died of dropsy.

        Scientific works in astronomy, mathematics, music and optics


        Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Jabir ibn Sinan al-Raqqi al-Harrani al-Sabi al-Battani (Arabic: راني الصابي البتاني‎, Harran, 858 - Samarra, 929) - medieval Arab astronomer and mathematician. In medieval Europe it was known under the Latinized name Albategnius.

        Al-Battani carried out many astronomical observations in Raqqa and Damascus between 877 and 919, compiling the “Sabean Zij” (Arabic: الزيج الصابئ‎) based on their results. More precisely than Ptolemy, he determined the inclination of the ecliptic to the equator - 23°35′41″, and the advance of the equinoxes - 54,5″ per year, or 1° per 66 years. In the mathematical part, zija al-Battani described methods for calculating spherical triangles, which were later developed by other mathematicians from Islamic countries.

        Al-Battani also wrote a “Treatise on the Azimuth of the Qibla”, “A Treatise on the Distances to the Heavenly Bodies” and a number of astrological works.

        Al-Battani also managed to calculate the solar year, and his data almost completely coincides with modern ones (with an error of only 24 seconds).

        Al-Battani's Zij was translated into Latin by Plato of Tivoli in 1116. He had a great influence on European astronomy, up to Georg Purbach, Regiomontanus and Nicolaus Copernicus.

        The al-Battani crater on the Moon is named after al-Battani.
  89. +1
    13 October 2023 12: 29
    Israel could very possibly have organized that Hamas attack .. let's not forget it was Israel and the US who created Hamas to counteract the PLO and others ... Netanyahu is entirely capable of this to keep power.
  90. 0
    13 October 2023 12: 32
    ...in the eyes of the entire Muslim world of the Middle East, the leadership of which the SA not only claims, but actually personifies.

    An expert, however... Was it their army that the Houthis drove with their torn slippers?
  91. 0
    13 October 2023 14: 12
    I would like to note the following. And the headlines and texts of the media indicate the following. When Hamas shoots, it shoots at Israel. And when Israel shoots, it shoots at Hamas and not at Palestine.
  92. +1
    13 October 2023 14: 12
    I would like to note the following. And the headlines and texts of the media indicate the following. When Hamas shoots, it shoots at Israel. And when Israel shoots, it shoots at Hamas and not at Palestine.
  93. 0
    13 October 2023 15: 00
    Quote: Milanara
    They have been in Ukraine since the beginning of the Northern Military District; the total number of mercenaries is called more than “2 thousand.” All these military personnel are now needed in their homeland, in connection with the war between Israel and Palestine, they no longer care about Ukraine.. So Israel showed who is its friend and who is its enemy.



    Exactly!
    The IDF will definitely return to Ukroreich, and will continue to kill Russians, and will continue to train the Ukrovermacht as before.

    With such support (after all, they are in no danger of being captured), there are a lot of people in Israel who want it.

    According to some reports, there are significantly more of them (the Zionists) fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Reich, about 4500-5000 people.

    The Kremlin has clearly outlined its position towards Nazi criminals.
    Remember how quickly 43 IDF Mossad soldiers were returned to Israel at the beginning of the Northern Military District.
    The guys were washed, fed, put on a comfortable plane, on which they flew to Erriyadh (a hub for the removal of captured Ukronazis).

    And the story of Azov, which is banned here in Russia.
    It is significant that deputy Wasserman, in the Duma, tried to initiate the adoption of a law banning the exchange/extradition of Nazi criminals (such as the TSA), Volodin supported Wasserman’s initiative.

    So what?
    And that's it!
    The law was not passed!

    Someone more influential, so powerful that he pushes the Duma around, blocks such initiatives.

    So, can the IDF and other Nazi criminals calmly come to Ukroreich and kill Russians?

    What Peskov will say about this, and especially the sluggish mouthpiece of the Kremlin renegades - Shapiro / Solovyov, is not worth mentioning.
  94. 0
    13 October 2023 16: 34
    Are we for Israel or for Palestine?

    What a stupid question, we should be for Russia.
  95. 0
    13 October 2023 18: 27
    We don't need to be there for anyone. This conflict is beneficial to us in all respects, no matter how cynical it may sound. I feel sorry for the peaceful people (on both sides, for me personally), especially children - but we cannot prevent their death in any way except by calling for peace.
  96. 0
    13 October 2023 18: 37
    So who should we be for?

    The UN made a decision to create two state entities, for which the USA, the USSR and others voted, and the fact that the UN decision was implemented was ½ of Netanyakha’s fault.

    The providence of the Lord is set out in the Bible, and in the Bible it says:

    1. The Bible speaks of 4 world empires - Persian (golden head), Greek (silver chest), Roman (bronze will be divided into two parts) and the EU (from large and small, strong and weak state formations, all together and each individual itself), but not a word about such leading modern world government entities as the USA, China, India, and the Russian Federation. Probably their role at the end of time tends to zero and therefore can be neglected
    2. It is said that the EU will disintegrate after a huge stone falls from Heaven.
    3. It talks about the war of Israel, on whose side God will fight, with the entire Muslim world, and after Israel’s victory, Christianity will spread throughout the world and the third Temple will be restored, which will stand until the end of time.
  97. 0
    13 October 2023 19: 30
    We are for world peace, I’m giving the numbers offhand. The population of Israel’s closest neighbors is Palestine - 5 million, Egypt - 110 million, Lebanon - 10 million, Jordan - 11 million, Syria - 15 million, Yemen - 30 million, Iraq - 45 million, Iran - 87 million, Turkey - 90 million. And the population of Israel is 10 million, of which 2 million are Arabs, subtracting the total - 8 million people. The question is, who is for whom, the answer is clear, why the hell who? These Palestinians are needed, they are simply an endangered subspecies of humanity and the Jews are making every effort to do this, and this task of destroying an entire people under a far-fetched pretext will now be completed. Who will protect them, but no one needs them there in the Arab world. And the Arab world rotten and corrupt. And the Jews, taking advantage of the patronage of the United States, do whatever they want and they don’t care about all progressive humanity. The Palestinians now urgently need to be saved from these crazy, blood-thirsty Jews, and here are women, old people and children. The Jews have forgotten history and are now going crazy in the territory Palestine has been left with impunity, what kind of retribution are we talking about if the city is being systematically turned into ruins, taking advantage of impunity. You screwed up completely, so you are taking it out on civilians, then fight and destroy terrorists, you had and still have everything for this. And the question of collective responsibility of an entire people, we Russians heard this about 80 years ago from a crazy corporal, how it all ended, and we saw everything in Berlin in 1945. The Jewish state shamefully cannot cope with some warlike Bedouins of Hamaz, shame.
  98. 0
    13 October 2023 21: 51
    Initially the title is stupid. Mr. Skomorokhov in his repertoire.
    "...Today, of course, the world is divided into two camps, those who support Israel and those who are for Hamas...."
    Oh, really? Something tells me that the third camp, which the author did not notice, is much more numerous than the other two. A camp that doesn’t give a damn about Israel or Palestine.. From which BV is far, far away, but has countless problems of its own. And in my deep conviction, our country should be for Russia, looking after OUR interests. Of course, Russia is not Uruguay, BV is relatively close to Russia and it will not be possible to remain completely on the sidelines. But there is absolutely no need to get involved in this conflict on someone else’s side.
  99. 0
    14 October 2023 21: 29
    I think that we don’t need to choose sides here - now we care about ourselves. At the moment, our universal speaking position in the style of “Leopold the Cat” is the very best.
    This is not our conflict and not letting one side or another drag us into it is the best we can do.
  100. +1
    15 October 2023 08: 04
    And you will finally decide! Are Palestinians or Israelis fighting against Russia in the Northern Military District?! Friends, you won’t give anything away. And how many times do you have to step on the rake?! Remember? Russia has two kinds of friends! Continue? Israel is a friend of the United States. The USA is the enemy of Russia. From what follows?!