Is China's Nuclear Power Ally or Enemy? ("Defense News" USA)

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Is China's Nuclear Power Ally or Enemy? ("Defense News" USA)The United States is trying to identify the length of nuclear storage tunnels. weapons and the number of nuclear warheads in the People’s Republic of China, and the US’s ability to “neutralize” them in the event of a military conflict, January Defense News reports 5.

On January 2, US President Barack Obama (Barack Obama) signed the law on the development of a new national security concept, according to which the US strategic command (STRATCOM) ordered the 15 of August to report on the “underground tunnel network in the PRC and the capabilities of the US neutralizing such tunnels and destroying what is stored in them. ”

Earlier, a group of specialists from Georgetown University, headed by Philip Karber (Phillip Karber) conducted a three-year study to identify a complex of nuclear tunnels in China, which, presumably, has a length of 3000 km.

In 2011, the report Strategic Implications of China’s Underground Great Wall (Strategic Implications of China’s Underground Great Wall) concluded that American intelligence estimates regarding China’s nuclear arsenal were incorrect. Carber calculated that in China there may be 3000 nuclear warheads hidden in tunnels in several areas. American intelligence believed that at best, China could have an arsenal of 300 warheads.

The report of the Karbera group says that China has a complex system of tunnels for nuclear testing and storage of warheads, which are much more than is necessary for an arsenal of 300 warheads.

Bonnie Glaser, China’s China Center for Strategic and International Studies, believes the need for new data is a reaction to the Carber group’s report. The STRATCOM report should fill knowledge gaps about Chinese nuclear weapons development programs and the threat to US national security. The report should reflect China’s nuclear deterrence strategies, including historical perspective, as well as a detailed description of the Chinese nuclear arsenal, in particular, the number of nuclear warheads of intercontinental range. A comparative analysis of the US and Chinese nuclear forces will be carried out, forecasts will be made regarding the development prospects of the PRC nuclear arsenal, a description of the control and command functions of the control system and an assessment of fissile material stocks, and parameters of the civilian and military segments of the country's nuclear sector.

Karber, as well as retired Russian Colonel-General Viktor Esin, appeared in the press, believing that China possesses an arsenal of nuclear warheads at 3600, but Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project of the Federation of American Scientists, considers these data to be wrong, STRATCOM agreed . However, Christensen said that opacity in this area increases the danger of war between China and the United States, and "these two countries are dancing a dangerous dance that increases military tensions and can potentially lead to a small cold war in the Pacific."

Christensen also said that most American SSBNs are deployed in the Pacific Ocean, squadrons of nuclear bombers are periodically deployed on the island of Guam (the deployment time has recently been increased from three to six months), the US naval groups are shifting more and more into the Pacific.

Analysts are wondering how the US will use conventional and nuclear forces to neutralize Chinese tunnels: Tests of low-penetrating nuclear bombs, such as B61-11, have been disappointing. It is not clear whether the program to create a new nuclear weapon of penetrating action (Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator program) or the improved nuclear bombs B61-12 will be able to solve such problems. Given the areas, the length and the different depths of the tunnels outlined in the report of the Carber group, more than one nuclear bomb will be needed to destroy them.

Carber believes that China’s nuclear arsenal can instantly destroy 50 million US citizens, plus or minus 50% of residents will suffer from radiation sickness with a catastrophic reduction in life expectancy, two thirds of hospitals 7569 will be destroyed or not able to perform their functions, half of doctors may die . One third of the generating capacity and 40% of the national food production potential will be destroyed due to the destruction of agricultural land and as a result of subsequent radioactive contamination. 100 million Americans will suffer from hunger for 10 years. “As a result, the lives of 200 million Americans will be lost, the rest of the survivors will live in the dark with food ration, lifestyle and its duration equivalent to the conditions of existence in primitive times,” concludes Carber.
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  1. fenix57
    +12
    7 January 2013 08: 56
    Well, for Russia, China is more likely an ally, for now. Yes And again with the CHRISTMAS of all drinks
    1. +5
      7 January 2013 09: 24
      Quote: fenix57

      Well, for Russia, China is more likely an ally, for now.

      definitely noticed! hi
      1. +21
        7 January 2013 09: 46
        Quote: fenix57
        Well, for Russia, China is more likely an ally, while


        Dangerous ally! An ally with whom the ear should ALWAYS be kept open. From Chinese military tactics, one postulate follows that any trick (ANY! Even anti-moral!) Undertaken in relation to the enemy is a military trick, which means - not condemned.
        About what kind of ally they will be "we will see" for us when they take their economy into the undisputed leaders, shutting up the states. And this is the main task assigned to Xi Zinping.
        1. Bashkaus
          0
          7 January 2013 13: 55
          oh, if we suffered during the Second World War in the allies of the United States and small-shaving. then China can withstand it somehow. We are not used to
        2. 0
          8 January 2013 07: 22
          Quote: esaul
          Dangerous ally! An ally with whom the ear should ALWAYS be kept open. From Chinese military tactics, one postulate follows that any trick (ANY! Even anti-moral!) Undertaken in relation to the enemy is a military trick, which means it is not condemned.
          About what kind of ally they will be "we will see" for us when they take their economy into the undisputed leaders, shutting up the states. And this is the main task assigned to Xi Zinping.


          Very accurately said. I would not bet on China as an ally.
          They are even more cunning and cunning than the Anglo-Saxons (the United States is also the Anglo-Saxons). It's just that the latter have more opportunities. But this state of affairs is changing very quickly. In the near future, if the United States does not take any radical steps to contain China, our yellow-faced "friends" will not restrain themselves in anything ... And they will demand harshly and categorically, whatever they want.
          Now think - what exactly does one and a half billion China really need?
      2. +8
        7 January 2013 10: 44
        "... The Chinese are also distinguished by courage and decisiveness, cunning and resourcefulness, ingenuity and cunning, cruelty. These qualities are fully manifested in everyday life. For example, the traditional way of preparing some meat dishes for gourmets is known - before cutting a live animal (pigs , dogs, etc.) are hung by their paws and beaten with a stick to give a special taste to the meat, caused by enzymes secreted by the body from pain sensations. Cruelty is especially quickly manifested in the mass, with a crowd of people ... "

        http://www.turcentr.tomsk.ru/site/107/Psihologicheskie
    2. +7
      7 January 2013 10: 35
      Well, for Russia, China is more likely an ally, while - it seems to me that all this is an illusion.
      1. Guun
        +1
        7 January 2013 12: 09
        As long as there is the United States, China cannot live in peace, a blow to the back of the United States does excellently.
        Well, amers themselves beg for it.
        “The two countries are dancing a dangerous dance that increases military tensions and could potentially lead to a small cold war in the Pacific.”
        Fucking to climb into the nuclear shield of another state openly? Stupidity or a fraudulent move (do they lie a fraudulent move).
        1. -4
          7 January 2013 14: 26
          The whole article is stupidity, of which only the last paragraph is worth ...
          1. 0
            9 January 2013 09: 51
            Hmm, democracy is impossible in principle, people do not know how to think, and hawala only what they feed him.
    3. botur2013
      +5
      7 January 2013 14: 29
      China will be an ally only if we have a strong, efficient army. If the situation changes, it can easily turn from an ally into an enemy. And you too with CHRISTMAS, all the best! drinks drinks drinks
    4. NKVD
      0
      7 January 2013 16: 12
      I read and cried sorry for the amerikosov not their enviable "future"
      1. +1
        8 January 2013 00: 18
        Quote: NKVD
        I read and cried sorry for the amerikosov not their enviable "future"

        China and not far from us ...soldier
        1. Dmitry23RUS
          +1
          8 January 2013 01: 15
          People, do not be fooled. China will never go to war with us. China has two rivers passing through the two most densely populated territories. country. We have an easy opportunity to do so. so that these two rivers destroy 70% of the Chinese population in a few weeks. laughing And after a month, the toxin molecules break down under the influence of oxygen. winked and it will be possible to send troops. good soldier so the guys are calm. narrow-eyed yellowheads are quite intelligent people and they will not trample on us. am
          1. +6
            8 January 2013 01: 32
            Dmitry, I believe that it is unnecessary to forget that we have long been with China, including in a state of undeclared war:

            How to conquer a state without using external aggression?

            The tactics of peaceful occupation include the following steps:
            (I want to note that the above tactics are designed for several generations of invaders and the gradual occupation of the country).
            1) Resettlement in the territory of an occupied state under the guise of “peaceful” trade migrants.
            2) Dumbing the local population through drinking establishments and drug traffickers. etc. (In this case, it is not necessary to trade yourself, you can produce them or import in bulk, always staying in the shade.).
            3) Quick enrichment through any kind of similar “activity” and due to huge capital, penetration into the financial structure of the state.
            4) Penetration into the financial structure of the state, gives the merger of financial and state activities. That is, what the invaders were striving for, the seizure of all power and money in the occupied country.
            5) In order to maximize the enrichment of the occupation regime, monopolies are created in the country, which include all the seized resources of the occupied country. This includes land resources, raw materials, energy resources, forest wealth, etc.
            1. russcand
              0
              9 January 2013 10: 31
              You wrote about the Jews.
  2. YARY
    +3
    7 January 2013 09: 11
    Poor things SyShyA! Look, not only are these Russians with their "Topols", but there are also the Chinese with their tunnels !!!
    Their command will soon follow the path of Forestall! laughing
    1. +6
      7 January 2013 09: 59
      Andrey, I saw funny material on the net yesterday! laughing
      The article is called " Wrong country called Honduras". Interesting article.

      http://www.vg-news.ru/news/20120241074.html

      But, even if you do not take every fact on the verge, then the very refusal of the states to participate in the Libyan war (I think that in order to preserve stocks for more "grandiose" cases, which, along the way, broke off), the rebound of the AUGs from the coast Syria, with the concentration of our ships, the increasingly loud calls of the states to Russia to resume negotiations on tactical nuclear weapons and the information that appears about the incessant "breakthroughs" in space, it is still clear that the traders are traders - the main thing is to sell the buyer (or the enemy) that information about the qualities of the goods that this product does not have! wassat
      1. +8
        7 January 2013 10: 38
        Followed the link, read.
        The article is harmful, in the style of Soviet films of the late 30s, where we throw adversaries with hats on its territory.
        And I think not just harmful, but biased.
        The biggest mistake is to think that the enemy is dumber and weaker than himself, and defeat is always followed.
        1. Guun
          +6
          7 January 2013 12: 12
          They said the truth. Underestimating the enemy led to deplorable historical endings. It is better to overestimate the enemy than underestimate. It is hoped that a weak enemy will not suffer a crushing blow, to think that fire will not come out of the spark.
        2. 0
          7 January 2013 19: 46
          Quote: ATATA
          in the style of Soviet films of the late 30's, where we throw adversaries with hats on its territory.

          Alexey, welcome. I kept that in mind
          Quote: esaul
          even if you don’t take every fact,
          winked
      2. +5
        7 January 2013 11: 41
        esaul,
        Traders have traders


        Gold words. In Asia, one way or another, traders. But the Chinese are something special. The desire to deceive in everything is sacred, and the European, or the white demon, is just a special dare for the Chinese. This is their local sport. Therefore, in my long experience working with them, one cannot relax. But if you build competent relationships, precise control, the main thing is to understand that deception will not work, you can work with them.
        So it is in politics. Without delight in pleasing them, they do not like the weak.
    2. +3
      7 January 2013 16: 50
      And we are slowly pulling up the "neighbor".
      Messages about the development by the Chinese of a heavy military-technical transport vehicle - Y-20 appeared a long time ago, but things were not going fast or fast, there were suggestions that it was precisely for the completion of these works that an agreement with the Russian Federation on the joint development of wide-body aircraft was required. But, unexpectedly, on the Internet there were photos of a completely finished aircraft of the S-17 or Il-76MD class.
      Incl. and for it, D-30KP-2 engines are purchased in the Russian Federation in large quantities - almost 240 units have been ordered (!), although they will also be used to remotorize the IL-76 in China and for the new strategic bombers N-6K. The development of the aircraft itself was sharply accelerated after the failure with the contract for the purchase of 38 Il-76 at TAPOiCH (our side was unable to organize interaction with Tashkent, and production is being transferred to Ulyanovsk only now). Although before that China acquired about 20 new Il-76s in different batches, and recently "scored" another 10 "from the availability" - this does not cover the hunger in military transport of the PLA! What happened - where did such rapid progress come from? And the casket just opens - the specialists of the Antonov Design Bureau from Kiev helped! Now it is clear why they have no time to deal with the An-70 with the required performance characteristics or the An-178 - at first European prospects were starring (competition with the A400M - even funny, it was clear that there was no chance there!), Now here are the Chinese ...
      And the plane, it seems, turned out to be quite good - not like the aerodynamic "miracle" of the Il-76 - you can't drink professionalism! drinks
  3. +5
    7 January 2013 09: 21
    Allies in our army and navy - this truth is now relevant.
    1. +1
      7 January 2013 14: 33
      "Army and people are one!" This is also relevant.
  4. +3
    7 January 2013 09: 21
    All with CHRISTMAS!
    Poor, poor Amerian sheep, only their muzzles have jackals! am
    1. +8
      7 January 2013 09: 32
      Quote: omsbon
      Poor, poor Amerian sheep, only their muzzles have jackals

      Something like that hi
  5. Fox
    0
    7 January 2013 09: 21
    “As a result, the lives of 200 million Americans will be lost, the remaining survivors will live in the dark with a diet, lifestyle and duration, equivalent to the conditions of existence in primitive times,” Carber concludes.
    these words, yes to the Jewish god in the ears ...
  6. +3
    7 January 2013 09: 25
    To "plant" Washington with Poplars and there will be no more reports and chaos. Everyone threatens the United States, they have enemies everywhere, and I just want to take them to the mirror.
  7. 0
    7 January 2013 09: 31
    USA after the dismemberment of the USSR became insolent to the limit, imagining themselves the masters of the planet, it is high time to put them in their place.
    Throughout its history, China, like Russia, has never taken any large-scale military operations far from its borders, but times are changing.
    China's economy allows it to fight on equal terms with NATO and USA.
    So far, objectively, Russia and China are allies in the face of Western aggression.
    And future relationships depend on Kremlin policies.
  8. Nurius
    +16
    7 January 2013 09: 34
    China does not and cannot have real, permanent allies, there are temporary allies and partners in interests, even North Korea is more likely a temporary, purchased ally, and Russia is a temporary partner in a joint struggle against American hegemony. So don’t, trust the Han people too much
    All orthodox friends merry christmas.
    PS Muslim
    1. 12061973
      -1
      8 January 2013 07: 40
      when the Han people will come, what zhuz and where will they drape first, or the zhushyans will become.
  9. +6
    7 January 2013 09: 34
    And I am absolutely sure that it is China that is becoming the main enemy of Russia, forcing the USA out of this place, the reason is simple, overpopulation and the neighbor has a huge territory, the result is obvious.
    1. bask
      +10
      7 January 2013 09: 41
      Quote: Marrying
      it’s China that’s becoming Russia's enemy, displacing the United States from this

      I agree .. But not yet an enemy ... But it will be an enemy in the near future .. On the border with Russia and in the interior of China, 16 are deployed !!! Panzer divisions. Manned with the latest MBT Type-99. Why China tanks ??? To fight with America or Taiwan. ,,? Russia needs to resume production of short- and medium-range missiles. It is for threats from China ...
      1. Anthrax
        +1
        7 January 2013 09: 56
        China has more than 2 times less tanks than Russia.
        Two-thirds of Chinese tanks are clones and modifications of the Soviet T-54 model of 1946
        1. Guun
          +3
          7 January 2013 12: 15
          Type 99 is a serious enemy, an upgraded clone, plus its own added.
      2. 0
        7 January 2013 10: 06
        In general, not everything is so simple on the Chinese border with us. After the well-known events (when the Chinese pushed to us), we were greatly puzzled, and greatly puzzled by the scientists. As a result, automatic and semi-automatic complexes, nuclear bombs and a bunch of "goodies" such as combined microwave and infrasound radiation installations. So ......, but where else can they drive around in tanks, in front of whom to show off?
    2. +5
      7 January 2013 10: 00
      To expose China to our most important enemy is beneficial to many. This idea has been exaggerated for a long time, since the days of the USSR. But answer such a question - is there at least one country in the world - which would be someone else without selfish, just friend? No such. Everyone pursues their interests, everyone has some kind of claim to their neighbors. I agree that it would be very nice for China to get the Far East, but they perfectly understand how this will all end. Therefore, it is easier for China to engage in expansion (than they are safely and busy), where they just aren't there. Everyone is talking about the penetration of Arabs into Europe, and you see how many Chinese around the world. And given the fact that many Europeans are happy to create a family with the Chinese, which can not be said about the Arabs (the percentage is much less). He was in Australia and was fucked up by the number of Chinese. Therefore, China is not profitable to engage in military intervention, this is possible only in one case - if they are 100% sure of the result, and they are not sure. And rumors of the power and invincibility of the PLA are greatly exaggerated.
      1. akbarr
        -1
        7 January 2013 13: 01
        I agree. For some reason, everyone is inclined to believe that since the economy is rushing and will soon be the first in the world, then the army is the strongest and coolest. Once again I repeat: "The PLA never defeated anyone. They did not participate in serious conflicts, in which they would prove their professional suitability as an army. The Chinese are merchants and peasants, but not soldiers."
        1. +3
          7 January 2013 14: 45
          Close your eyes and imagine: that way, 3 million peaceful Chinese on buses cross the frozen Amur and spread across the open spaces, for example, the Amur Region, where their thousands of "relatives" have already naturalized (which they will not do for money) What and by whom, and also how to expel them or to distribute Russian passports?
    3. Bashkaus
      0
      7 January 2013 14: 05
      you understand, China has always been overpopulated, if it wanted Drang nach Norden so much, then they could have realized it in at least 700 years. And now, in the presence of nuclear weapons in the Russian Federation, they have only one option: "Drang nach fuck"
    4. -2
      7 January 2013 14: 54
      China’s neighbor has no vast territory; the 3 / 4 territory of Russia is permafrost on which even the forest does not grow. For the Chinese, the 2 / 3 territories themselves have not been developed or settled, although the climate is more favorable there than in Siberia.
      I am simply struck by the stupidity and ignorance of fellow citizens.
      1. +3
        7 January 2013 15: 20
        You should bring these "intelligence" to the Chinese side, otherwise they stubbornly share sandbanks and islands on the Amur with us, apparently they are not aware that 2/3 of the territory they have not been developed. Take a ride to the Far East and in the Amur region (we are talking about them) there is something to take, and we lose.
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 16: 39
          The Chinese are well aware of this and do not claim Siberia. A narrow strip in the south of Siberia will not solve China's problems, but an encroachment on it will create such problems that the Chinese may not remain on the planet.
          Nature has enclosed China with impassable deserts and impassable mountains, so that they are in a cage.
          And in the Far East, in the Amur Region and in the Ugra, I rolled over 40 years of labor activity.
      2. +3
        7 January 2013 23: 50
        Something you exaggerate a colleague! Where did you find 3/4 permafrost in Russia? Yes, for your information, at the latitude of Vorkuta, permafrost is not always found, although there is already a tundra there. And Magadan is also a forest zone with a temperate climatic zone, where it is perfectly possible to develop livestock breeding for meat and dairy farming.
      3. 0
        8 January 2013 08: 38
        "However, he smoked a pipe, walked the tundra, did not teach a geography lesson," the Chukchi would say looking at this
  10. +2
    7 January 2013 09: 48
    Okay "Poplar", but that the tunnels would pose a threat wink What the United States has become very cowardly, they are afraid of everything in the world. Or understand that for all their deeds - retribution is inevitable? Blockbusters need to be watched less, and then look what, exercises with the participation of zombies, all sorts of lasers, ballasts, railguns, proton guns. Quite the cuckoo went. Although the chances of using nuclear weapons are just the most in the USA. They are famous dirty tricks. I will not be surprised that the Fed, with all the Morgans, Rockefellers and others, has long laid a paw on nuclear weapons in the United States.
    1. Prospector
      +1
      7 January 2013 16: 41
      The authorities themselves are not afraid of anything, this is to intimidate US citizens, so that in which case it would be possible to direct public opinion in their favor
  11. fenix57
    +5
    7 January 2013 09: 52
    As a resident of the south of Primorye, I will say that we will have "whales" in bobol cities rather than "black" ones. And they are cunning: a pregnant Chinese woman arrives in Russia, gives birth and ... a new Russian citizen of Chinese nationality ... And after the APEC 2012 summit, it only gets worse. The return on long-term lease of arable land is shining for us. China, Vietnam. Therefore, for now, an ally. soldier
  12. CCA
    CCA
    0
    7 January 2013 09: 53
    .

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    To "plant" Washington with Poplars and there will be no more reports and chaos. Everyone threatens the United States, they have enemies everywhere, and I just want to take them to the mirror. At one time, the role of this mirror was played by the USSR ... Therefore, the United States now has a snout in such fluff that its face is not visible ...
  13. CCA
    CCA
    +2
    7 January 2013 09: 58
    Alexander Romanov,
    To "plant" Washington with Poplars and there will be no more reports and chaos. Everyone threatens the United States, they have enemies everywhere, and I just want to take them to the mirror.

    At one time, the role of this mirror was played by the USSR ... Therefore, the United States is now digging in such down that you can not see your face
  14. +1
    7 January 2013 10: 34
    If Russia and China unite and fuck the Amers properly, then I think the honor of the territory can be safely divided (as compensation for the collapse of the USSR) between China and Russia. We Alaska and the islands in the warm oceans, and let them all the continental part, if only they would not climb into our Far East. Thus, you can kill several birds with one stone, really remove the parasites from planet earth, and eliminate the threat to all of humanity.
  15. +4
    7 January 2013 11: 41
    21st Century Love Triangle
    Russia-China-USA. Who is cheating on?
    And who is who?
    One thing is for sure .... Blood cannot be dispensed with in such a situation.
  16. -1
    7 January 2013 13: 07
    I want to say that the one who strikes first will win. Beat the first Freddy., This does not apply to amers.
  17. stranik72
    +2
    7 January 2013 13: 21
    Gentlemen, China is a country from another world, read their strategies about war and peace, they are not enemies of the USA, but they are not friends to us either. They are a country that solves their problems sequentially, today Russia is weaker than the USA in all respects, but possesses nuclear weapons, so wars with Russia should be avoided for now. They have no thoughts about fighting with the USA, firstly, they predict mutual destruction, secondly, all they need are resources and space nearby, Russia, Kazakhstan and partly Japan, I think they will direct their expansion in this direction. USA as always (as in 1 and 2MB they will help them in this at the beginning, unobtrusively). So we are the goal of China No. 1, however, like Kazakhstan. I just don’t think that the USA is our ally; rather, as usual, they are with those who are closer to victory.
  18. +6
    7 January 2013 13: 58
    - The historical concept of China: according to it, the Far East is the indigenous lands of the Chinese, which at one time the Russians occupied. In addition, after the collapse of the USSR, China has already expanded its territory at the expense of Russia, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. And the appetite comes with eating. Therefore, in the further processes of weakening the post-Soviet republics, new claims are possible.
    Here is such an "ally." As in one film, our cop shouts to a Chinese bandit that you are a guest here and must live according to our laws, to which the Chinese replies: "IT IS FOR YET, IT IS FOR YET ..."
    1. -5
      7 January 2013 17: 06
      Official China has never claimed any Russian territories, and there are fools and ignoramuses who do not know geography in any country.
      In Asia, China has nothing to catch, except for sickly zvizdyuley. India is too tough for him, but to suitable for Russian territory 3-4 thousands of kilometers off-road.
      What are the other indigenous lands of China? Where has China expanded? Have you ever looked at a geographical map?
  19. megatherion
    +2
    7 January 2013 14: 25
    For all its might, the last thing China will be is to communicate with a nuclear power (that is, with us or the United States). Let me remind you that China has territorial disputes with almost ALL neighbors. If China wants to take something by military means, then the war with Russia is unlikely to be the first on this list, since China also has weaker neighbors.
  20. +4
    7 January 2013 14: 31
    Worse than a sworn enemy can only be a cunning friend...

    For the time being, the Chinese will for the time being play the role of loyal allies, strategic partners and molded friends. And moreover, they perform quite well - smiles from ear to ear, sweet speeches, assurances of friendship and dog’s devoted eyes ...
    Trusting them is not respecting yourself in the first place ...
  21. +2
    7 January 2013 14: 39
    China will probably rush to the south, Vietnam, Laos, Burma, Indonesia, why are they arming themselves? They know which predator is growing up. While in the rear of the PRC Taiwan and a billion with a tail of population, Beijing cannot start a long-term war, people need to be fed, but a small one in the region can ride. Moreover, the attempt was in 1979, though it was purged, but the dragon grew its claws. But it will not work quickly with Russia, and I think that in Beijing they understand this. The Japanese are no stupider than the Chinese and also began with southeast Asia in the 30s of the 20th century.
  22. +2
    7 January 2013 14: 47
    Quote: fenix57
    Well, for Russia, China is more likely an ally, for now. And again with the CHRISTMAS of all



    Quote: morpex
    - The historical concept of China: according to it, the Far East is the indigenous lands of the Chinese, which at one time the Russians occupied. In addition, after the collapse of the USSR, China has already expanded its territory at the expense of Russia, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. And the appetite comes with eating. Therefore, with further processes of weakening of the post-Soviet republics, new claims are possible. Here is such an "ally." As in one film, our cop shouts to a Chinese bandit that you are a guest here and must live according to our laws, to which the Chinese replies: "IT IS FOR YET, IT IS FOR YET ..."



    We are more likely their allies ... and I hope we will!
    The question is:
    - in all wars in which we were together with the Chinese, we won
    - they themselves almost never in the new history of victorious wars waged, but in which they participated, they rather lost
    - in their future wars with the Yankees and even with the Yapis, they would be without us even without a reliable rear, in the form of deliveries of oil, gas, weapons, guarantees of a nuclear missile shield - no one. And these wars will always be with the isolation of China from world sources of energy and raw materials ...

    As for their claims to our Far Eastern lands and the north - there even we Russians do not survive, to say nothing about them. O5zhe, they themselves have hard-to-reach and harsh territories - sparsely populated and uninhabited ...

    Merry Christmas, joy and prosperity to everyone !!!
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 08: 46
      Quote: Rus2012
      As for their claims to our Far Eastern lands and the north - there even we Russians do not survive, to say nothing about them. O5zhe, they themselves have hard-to-reach and harsh territories - sparsely populated and uninhabited ...


      We live well, not survive. Russia is not only the Middle Strip, but from the Urals to Kamchatka
  23. +1
    7 January 2013 15: 53
    In China, there are not so many allies, in terms of the strategic allies are Iran, Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, North Korea, in terms of militant countries - Syria, Egypt, Belarus and so on.
  24. 0
    7 January 2013 21: 15
    While we are allies, for we have common goals and deep economic cooperation, and then we will wait and see.
  25. +3
    7 January 2013 23: 00
    China's nuclear potential is no longer a paper tiger

    It is likely that China already became the third nuclear power, and its lagging behind Russia and the USA is not so great as is commonly believed. This conclusion is contained in the report of Russian experts presented in Moscow
    China is the only nuclear power in the Big Five that does not provide any official information on the composition and strength of its nuclear forces. This was noted by one of the authors of the report, IMEMO RAN expert Vladimir Dvorkin:

    "Nuclear program, state of China's nuclear forces as closed as possible. Incomparable in terms of the level of secrecy with the nuclear programs of other countries. China is hiding much of its nuclear weapons. "

    http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_09_28/JAdernij-potencial-Kitaja-perestal-bit-bumazhnim-t
    igrom /
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 04: 50
      Let's be optimistic, China is the only country with a nuclear club whose WMD is not aimed at countries of the former USSR, that is, at least in this you can see it as an ally, + a relationship strategist and an exchange of technologies and resources, China in Canada’s prose Alaska also accept what to kick at Russia and the underlying countries struggled, well, this is my opinion, well, in truth, morons do not sit at the geo-political wheel that China would poison the neighboring friendly countries along the border and cooperation ... It’s done by NATO well done and so to the reunification of anti NATO tions
  26. starlet
    0
    8 January 2013 08: 40
    Amer before ditching its 200 million. Squint China in cabbage and the surrounding area
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 08: 42
      Quote: by the start-up
      measures before ditching their 200 million. China will be mown in cabbage and the territory adjacent to it

      And if Russia joins China? That’s 200 million in the first 15 minutes, the rest will be finished within an hour. So, the USA is chopped into cabbage
  27. KAZAKHSTAN
    -1
    8 January 2013 08: 51
    Dear guests of the entrance!
    If you came to someone, decide where
    your friends live exactly and call directly to them.
    Residents of our entrance, of course, will be happy in
    midnight tell you where to go, but, in
    misunderstanding, better floor and room
    apartments to know in advance.
    If you ran into the staircase just like that - help
    small physiological need, then you
    must have:
    1. Passport
    2. Expensive watches
    3. Mobile
    4. Money to repair the entire entrance
    5. A pair of crutches
    6. Iodine
    7. Vatu
    8. Bandage
    9. The floor of the bag of gypsum.
    10. Testament.
    Dear residents and guests of the entrance, remember -
    better to be a healthy person without a light bulb,
    than an invalid of the second group with a light bulb. By
    more that if you are caught stealing a light bulb,
    it is possible that you will be amazed at what
    your body’s place can be used as
    cartridge.
    Welcome to our porch!

    Good morning everybody!
  28. varyag
    +1
    8 January 2013 21: 03
    Extremes! That is the United States, then China! It is necessary to "love" our partners in influence on the planet equally. Balance! Every minute. The problem of stable dynamic equilibrium of even three gravitational bodies cannot be solved. Conclusion - you need to gain weight (that is, to concentrate reserves)