The disaster of 1917. The myth of the Bolsheviks who killed old Russia

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The disaster of 1917. The myth of the Bolsheviks who killed old Russia


Mythologizing the revolution


The USSR created a myth in which the Bolsheviks defeated the tsarist regime. Then the heroic Red Commissars fought to the death with the White Guards, who, through terror, wanted to return the Tsar to the throne and shackle the people into slave shackles. Whites were helped by Western and Japanese interventionists. The White Army, the Black Baron are preparing the royal throne for us again.



Then the Democratic perestroikas came and began to promote their version. They say that the red degenerate commissars, lumpens, criminals and other rabble are to blame for everything. They destroyed the spiritually and materially developed beautiful Russia, massacred or forced to flee the noble nobility, intelligentsia, clergy and merchants. Peasants who also resisted the Red Terror were driven into slavery. Officers and cadets tried to resist, fought for faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland, but lost. The Bolshevik ghouls swept through Russia with fire and sword and turned it into ruins, a camp barracks. Russia has become a Soviet society that has been robbed and humiliated for 70 years.

There was also a radically patriotic version, born during the Civil War. They say that beautiful Russia was destroyed by insidious Jewish revolutionaries. Jews constituted the top of the Bolshevik Party, and enjoyed the support of international Zionists and Jewish capital.

cruel reality


In fact, all these myths are easily destroyed when you begin to study the real facts of the Russian Troubles. Thus, the Red Commissars, Red Guards, the proletariat and peasants have nothing to do with the destruction of the autocracy, the Russian Empire. The Tsarist regime was overthrown by the then elite - generals, members of the Duma, aristocrats and grand dukes, church hierarchs, bankers and other dignitaries. They dreamed of making Russia a sweet France or England. Get rid of the shackles of royal absolutism. And they opened Pandora's box.

Russian peasants fought fiercely with the white armies, created their own entire armies and, in fact, their uprisings and crushed the rear of Kolchak and Denikin. And when the Bolsheviks came with their orders and “war communism,” the “red partisans” immediately turned “green” and began to fight the Red Army.

The peasants, after the collapse of the sacred tsarist power, were not going to obey anyone at all and formed their own project of the people's freemen - a community of free cultivators, without taxes, conscription and other state violence. The Peasant War was one of the brightest, bloodiest pages of the Troubles. The desire of the peasant world for freedom, which was suppressed for centuries, almost killed the entire civilization and the state.

The biggest threat to the future of Russian civilization and the Russian state at that time was not even whites, as Soviet historiography presented, but various nationalists. It was the nationalists - Baltic, Finnish, Polish, Ukrainian, Caucasian, etc., who fielded the most numerous armies. They laid claim to vast territories of Russian lands proper. For example, the “Greater Finland” was going to include the Kola Peninsula, Karelia, the Vologda region and lands up to the Northern Urals. Russia was almost taken to its national apartments.

No one fought for the king! White armies fought everywhere for February. That is, the war was provoked by the February revolutionaries who tried to drag Russia into Europe. Make it a cozy Holland. The capitalists, bourgeoisie, liberals, with the bodies of officers, cadet students and other cannon fodder, tried to make Russia part of Europe. With the “market”, the dominance of the power of capital in a democratic shell.

Elections to the Constituent Assembly brought the socialists (socialist revolutionaries - Socialist Revolutionaries, People's Socialists, Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and other socialists) 80% of the votes. That is, the people did not want a tsar, nor capitalists, nor merchants and landowners.

And many such facts can be cited. It turns out that almost everyone, except the Tsar, opposed old Russia. But he didn’t have the will to fight either. Almost everyone wanted a revolution. And peasants, and workers, and capitalists with the bourgeoisie, and the liberal intelligentsia, and churchmen, and grand dukes, and nationalists, and professional revolutionaries. Naturally, our Western “partners” also wanted Russia’s death.

World War I trigger


In Russia at the beginning of the XNUMXth century there were two clamps that held a boiling cauldron. This is the army and autocracy. They were able to suppress the first revolution with the help of a regular army loyal to the throne. Also, the “deep people”, who were raised by the Black Hundreds, spoke out for the tsar.

The First World War became a trap into which Russia was pushed by our “allies” in the Entente. Going to war with a divided society stricken by mutual hatred was mortally dangerous. The best minds of the empire understood this - former Minister of Internal Affairs Durnovo, Stolypin (killed), Rasputin (killed) and many others. The war was initially completely unnecessary and incomprehensible to peasant Russia (80% or more people). The Straits, Constantinople and Galician Rus' - this is understandable to the intelligentsia, the educated part of society. They meant nothing to the peasants.

Currently, for about the majority of Russian society, “Ukrainians”, Kievan Rus, Novorossiya, Little Russia, Odessa-mama also mean nothing. Only budget expenses, loss of breadwinners, closed borders with Europe and other difficulties for a comfortable and well-fed life.

The Russian Empire fought for the interests of British and French capital. With Germany we could live perfectly in peace, just like the entire XNUMXth century with Prussia and the German Empire. However, the Russians and Germans were pitted against each other in the interests of the Roman and Anglo-Saxon worlds (England and the USA pitted Germany and Russia).

The Russian personnel army, a magnificent guard, saving Paris in 1914 and the Entente in 1915–1917, bled to death. The Russian army defeated the Turks in the South Caucasus, helping the Entente dismember the Ottoman Empire, invade Palestine and enter Constantinople-Constantinople, the age-old dream of the Russian tsars. It was Russia, having beaten Turkey, that opened the way for the British to oil-rich Iraq.

At the same time, Russia became the Entente's cash cow. Russia will send hundreds of tons of gold, billions of full rubles for purchase weapons, ammunition, supplies and equipment. The “partners” will take the money, but will not fulfill the orders, or will stall for time. Tsarist Russia will simply be abandoned! The West still owes us billions of gold rubles, plus interest.

Then England, France and the USA will also “thank” tsarist Russia - they will help the February revolutionaries and the fifth column from the country’s elite to organize the February Revolution. The Westerners will play along either with the Bolsheviks, or with the Whites, or with the nationalists, or with all of them together. They will make plans to dismember Russia and begin its full-scale occupation (“Russia has become just a geographical concept”). The interventionists will stage a total robbery of Russia, taking away everything they can get their hands on.

The war knocked out a personnel army devoted to the throne. In place of the dead career officers and non-commissioned officers came people from the liberal intelligentsia who hated the tsarist regime, peasants who hated officials, landowners, officers who knocked out their teeth, and a well-fed bourgeoisie. They were left to fight for goals they did not understand. Millions of people received a rifle, went through fire and water, and became embittered. They became the social base of the revolution.

Nicholas II did not understand this and lost his throne and country. Millions of people followed the revolutionaries. Behind the nationalists, Februaryists, anarchists, Socialist Revolutionaries. The Bolsheviks in this mess were generally the most insignificant, marginal party. In addition, they were practically the only ones who opposed the imperialist war, so they were defeated. The entire party active was in prison, exiled, and fled abroad.

Russia exploded like an atomic bomb. In February 1917, the mighty empire collapsed in just a few days, the so-called bourgeois revolution. No one defended the royal power. The city Cossacks and the police fled; those who did not have time were run over. The rear reserve regiments quickly became the epicenter of the turmoil. Under pressure from the generals and dignitaries, bound by the ties of the Masonic brotherhood, the tsar renounced the throne.

The Westerners and the elite of that time rejoiced. The Grand Dukes wore red revolutionary bows. A bourgeois-democratic republic was established in the country with a Provisional Government in which there was not a single Bolshevik. Russia has become very democratic and free. Even the army. In conditions of war! Wealthy, wealthy and educated layers of society believed that the West (Entente) would help!

But the complete disintegration of the army and the destruction of the autocracy destroyed the only bonds that held back the disorder. The economy has fallen into chaos. The army went home, with rifles and machine guns, and even cannons. The national outskirts and Cossack regions took as much sovereignty as they could swallow. The peasants decided that there was no more power, they organized the redistribution of land, the seizure of landowners' lands, and burned estates. A criminal revolution has begun, which always goes hand in hand with the turmoil. The country went into inferno.

The Bolsheviks simply seized power and built a new state and civilization, a new Soviet Russia. They saved Russian civilization, our state and our people from complete destruction and historical oblivion.
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  1. +18
    22 September 2023 04: 02
    Right now the “crystal bakers” will swoop in and foam at the mouth to prove the opposite!
    There have already been many articles about the Jewish component of revolutions. I remember two in the Military Historical Journal: Together with Lenin, Together with Stalin, I don’t remember the exact year, but somewhere in the 90s.
    1. +15
      22 September 2023 04: 27
      The Bolsheviks simply took power and built a new state and civilization, a new Soviet Russia
      good
      1. +27
        22 September 2023 06: 41
        Thus, the Red Commissars, Red Guards, the proletariat and peasants have nothing to do with the destruction of the autocracy, the Russian Empire.

        The tsarist regime was overthrown by the then elite - generals, members of the Duma, aristocrats and grand dukes

        “Vyfsevröt”, here’s the proof:
        [Center]
        By the way, yes, many still think that the Bolsheviks destroyed the Empire, but in fact they began to assemble it after the devastating consequences of February
    2. -4
      22 September 2023 05: 28
      Quote: andrewkor
      There have already been many articles about the Jewish component of revolutions.

      But no matter how it is, no revolution has ever happened without a Jewish component; a revolution requires money, and the Jews give it.
      1. -5
        22 September 2023 09: 10
        No, as the Germans say, they were given by the same ones who were relatives of “comrade” Romanov, although, as “Mr.” Schicklgruber later showed, there is some truth in your words.
        1. +9
          22 September 2023 16: 23
          Quote from AdAstra
          No, as the Germans say, they were given by the same ones who were relatives of “comrade” Romanov, although, as “Mr.” Schicklgruber later showed, there is some truth in your words.

          Alas, there is not a single document that confirms this.
          Investigators of the Provisional Government searched but did not find him.
          Parvus seemed to have taken money from the Germans, but it seems he bought a mansion in Switzerland with it.
          Parvus asked Lenin for the post of Minister of Finance in the first Bolshevik government, but Lenin sent him. Therefore, he did not consider himself obligated to him.
          1. +3
            22 September 2023 20: 16
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            Quote from AdAstra
            No, as the Germans say, they were given by the same ones who were relatives of “comrade” Romanov, although, as “Mr.” Schicklgruber later showed, there is some truth in your words.

            Alas, there is not a single document that confirms this.
            Investigators of the Provisional Government searched but did not find him.
            Parvus seemed to have taken money from the Germans, but it seems he bought a mansion in Switzerland with it.
            Parvus asked Lenin for the post of Minister of Finance in the first Bolshevik government, but Lenin sent him. Therefore, he did not consider himself obligated to him.

            Minus player... victim of the Unified State Exam, show me a document confirming receipt of money. Are you smarter than the investigators of the Provisional Government? Fed up with single-celled ignoramuses.
            1. +4
              23 September 2023 14: 02
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              ..... Minus player... victim of the Unified State Examination, show a document confirming receipt of money. Are you smarter than the investigators of the Provisional Government? Fed up with single-celled ignoramuses.

              If there had been German money, this would have been discussed on the eve of WW2 or during it. The Germans are very punctual and their archives are always in order
          2. 0
            22 February 2024 20: 57
            Secret telegram from the German Foreign Ministry to the State Treasury dated March 14, 1917. We are talking about five million marks “for political propaganda in Russia”

            Secret! Your Majesty. I have the honor to ask you to allocate the sum of five million marks to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for propaganda in Russia at the expense of Chapter 6 of Section II of the emergency budget. I would be grateful if the matter could be expedited if possible. Senior Secretary
      2. +2
        22 September 2023 09: 47
        This is true. But there are Jews, and there are Jews! Who is who can be seen by their deeds.
  2. +24
    22 September 2023 04: 27
    The author himself creates myths
    For example, “the Bolsheviks came with their war communism.”

    The Tsar’s Duma came with “war communism” when it established the surplus appropriation system. Then “communism” was tightened by Kerensky with his grain monopoly.

    And there is no need to idealize the peasants. This is another myth. During the Civil War, market contradictions intensified and the peasants, with their own 17th century dream of a “peasant's Paradise,” could have strangled the city with hunger. Heh.. Heh.. You might think that the peasant masses of that time could spontaneously restore order in the country....

    In war, politics is military. The war ended and the NEP began.

    The author is pulling the wrong thread... In fact, if the government itself is not controlled from the outside, it will always respond adequately to the needs of the country. He simply has no other support.

    But if agents of influence of other states rule, then we get what we have in the example of Russia and Ukraine. Not adequate. Chamber number 6. First, “we will separate so as not to feed them,” and then “we will return our lands”......
    1. +5
      22 September 2023 06: 45
      Quote: ivan2022
      The author himself creates myths

      I didn't quite understand you. Disagreement in nuances. Well, in general, do you agree with the author’s conclusion? I personally - yes.
      1. +12
        22 September 2023 07: 31
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: ivan2022
        The author himself creates myths

        I didn't quite understand you. Disagreement in nuances. Well, in general, do you agree with the author’s conclusion? I personally - yes.

        The devil is in the details. It can be assumed that some myths have fizzled out and other myths are being put forward to replace them with absolutely the same goals.

        What was the main thing in the activities of the Bolsheviks?
        Strange as it may sound from today's perspective, the establishment of democratic power.

        For example, Stalin in the 30s did not hold any positions in the government, but was only a deputy of the Upper Council and an elected and accountable secretary of the Central Committee.....

        And today, “under the democrats,” even all-Russian congresses of the legislative branch are prohibited. The last of them was simply shot 30 years ago.
        And tell me, who is focusing on THIS now?
        Nobody. The primitive mythology of the 90s is being replaced by a more sophisticated one.
        1. -9
          22 September 2023 11: 50
          Quote: ivan2022
          What was the main thing in the activities of the Bolsheviks?
          Strange as it may sound from today's perspective, the establishment of democratic power.

          The Bolsheviks established amazingly democratic power in Russia! It’s impossible to imagine anything more democratic. And what kind of democrats Stalin, Trotsky and Lenin were - words cannot describe.
        2. +6
          22 September 2023 14: 34
          Quote: ivan2022
          For example, Stalin in the 30s did not hold any positions in the government, but was only a deputy of the Upper Council and an elected and accountable secretary of the Central Committee.....

          I immediately remembered Kostin’s “Uninteresting Time,” where the GG is trying to find Stalin in the leadership of the USSR.
          The government of the USSR was called the Council of People's Commissars or abbreviated (well, of course!) Sovnarkom. Its head was the chairman, who was also the head of the Council of People's Commissars. That is, Sergei thought, translated into normal Russian, the Prime Minister. Initially, this post was held by grandfather Lenin, and after his death... Not Stalin.
          The predecessor of the Council of People's Commissars was a certain comrade Rykov, unknown to Sergei. Judging by the hazy photo in the newspaper, he is a pleasant man of about forty, with a neat beard a little larger than Lenin’s. That is, it’s not Stalin at all. It doesn't even look like it.
          Having recovered from his first amazement, Vyshinsky suggested that perhaps Comrade Rykov did not have much time left, but after him Stalin would come to power, who might now be Rykov’s deputy, or one of the ministers of the Council of People’s Commissars. But no one remembers Rykov because of his short-termism. The history teacher, a young trainee, said that after Brezhnev Gorbachev came to power, and Andropov and Chernenko can be ignored - they ruled for too short a time.
          Rykov really had deputies. As many as two. Comrade Kamenev and Comrade Tsyurupa. The first is completely unknown, the second is vaguely remembered as the hero of some mossy joke (“Comrade Tsyugupa!”). Both, naturally, are not Stalins either. Sergei was hooked and he began to methodically, together with Danila, go through the entire Council of People's Commissars and adjacent structures in search of the elusive Stalin.

          Parliament, of course, only exists among the bourgeoisie. But the highest legislative body was the All-Russian Central Executive Committee. And it had a Chairman - Comrade Kalinin.

          And I found it, yes... laughing
          Stalin - General Secretary! Yes! Exactly! The Secretary General means the main one in the party. At the UN, the Secretary General is the boss, right? This means the Bolsheviks too! Right, Danila?
          So. Stop. Danila claims that there is no head of the party, it is controlled by the Politburo, and the general secretary is abbreviated as “general secretary”... This is already clear! Why is he not the head of the party?!
          Yeah...
          Stalin is not the head of the party. The General Secretary is just the head of the Secretariat of the Central Committee. But the Secretariat does not manage anything; it deals exclusively with technical issues, such as personnel selection, organizing congresses, paperwork, and the like.
          1. +6
            22 September 2023 16: 29
            Exactly. If I’m not mistaken, Stalin became the Chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars in May 41, when it was necessary to sign international documents.
            The Secretary General did not have such a right.
            1. +2
              22 September 2023 20: 11
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Exactly. If I’m not mistaken, Stalin became the Chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars in May 41, when it was necessary to sign international documents.
              The Secretary General did not have such a right.

              Minus player, learn history, ignoramus. Disgraceful.
    2. -3
      22 September 2023 08: 37
      Quote: ivan2022
      what we have in the example of Russia and Ukraine. Not adequate. Ward number 6.

      In my opinion, the mention of ward N6 is inappropriate.
      The chamber itself has nothing to do with Russian-Ukrainian relations, and is even more suitable for this site along with its commentators.
      Judge for yourself...... the doctor comes to the psycho in ward N6, he is a lover of Greek philosophers and preaches contempt for life's suffering, the doctor talks (argues) for a long time with the psycho who wants to end his suffering. They argue for a very long time, for days and weeks. As a result, the doctor is declared crazy and sent to the ward of his mentally ill friend.
      1. +4
        22 September 2023 11: 41
        Quote: bober1982
        Quote: ivan2022
        what we have in the example of Russia and Ukraine. Not adequate. Ward number 6.

        In my opinion, the mention of ward N6 is inappropriate.
        The ward itself has nothing to do with Russian-Ukrainian relations..... - the doctor is declared crazy and sent to the ward to his mentally ill friend.

        The chamber itself is related specifically to Russian relations. This is the essence of Chekhov's story...... To declare a doctor crazy is quite in the spirit of a sick society.

        We and the leaders of the USSR - Lenin and Stalin - have long been declared maniacs, paranoids, syphilitics and crazy. Exactly according to Chekhov.

        In our country, only bandits, thieves and traitors are called "authorities"....

        How is the structure of Russian-Ukrainian relations step by step?
        1 let's separate so as not to feed them
        2 Let's return the lands.
        This is a madhouse, where first, as the rumor says, they wash themselves with cabbage soup, and then they ask you to eat
        1. +1
          22 September 2023 12: 11
          Quote: ivan2022
          let's separate so as not to feed them

          Not quite so, all these brothers separated on their own, without any persuasion, they wanted to live........ like in France,The ukry themselves shouted that Muscovites were eating their sausage.
          Quote: ivan2022
          We and the leaders of the USSR - Lenin and Stalin - have long been declared maniacs, paranoids, syphilitics and crazy

          The word - leaders, unsuccessful, firstly, can easily be read as - faggots, and secondly, they were leaders in the Marxist hierarchy and, thirdly, a Russian person will not say - leaders (the first letter in the word is l(el) ), they began to express themselves this way during the perestroika years, in the Western manner.
    3. +15
      22 September 2023 08: 54
      starve the city to death

      Yes, their slogan was epic - We won’t give you a crumb of bread, but let’s be sure to bring chintz, kerosene and matches from the city... Selyuki - they are always the same everywhere, they basically don’t want to see beyond their hut. And one of the merits of the Bolsheviks is that they, for the most part, managed to destroy this view. At least in Rus'. And what the triumph of Selyukovism leads to - we clearly see in the example of Tsegabonia..
    4. +6
      22 September 2023 14: 23
      Quote: ivan2022
      During the Civil War, market contradictions intensified and the peasants, with their own 17th century dream of a “peasant's Paradise,” could have strangled the city with hunger.

      Bulgakov’s “White Guard” perfectly described the main provisions eternal, long-awaited peasant reform:
      - All the land to the peasants.
      - Each one hundred dessiatines.
      - That there were no landowners and no spirit.
      - And so that for every one hundred dessiatines, faithful stamped paper with a seal - into an eternal, hereditary possession, from grandfather to father, from father to son, to grandson, and so on.
      - So that no punks from the City come to demand bread. Peasant bread, we will not give it to anyone, that we ourselves will not eat it, we will bury it in the ground.
      - To bring kerosene from the City.

      The fourth position precisely determines the future fate of urban ones.
      1. +2
        22 September 2023 16: 34
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: ivan2022
        During the Civil War, market contradictions intensified and the peasants, with their own 17th century dream of a “peasant's Paradise,” could have strangled the city with hunger.

        Bulgakov’s “White Guard” perfectly described the main provisions eternal, long-awaited peasant reform:
        - All the land to the peasants.
        - Each one hundred dessiatines.
        - That there were no landowners and no spirit.
        - And so that for every one hundred dessiatines, faithful stamped paper with a seal - into an eternal, hereditary possession, from grandfather to father, from father to son, to grandson, and so on.
        - So that no punks from the City come to demand bread. Peasant bread, we will not give it to anyone, that we ourselves will not eat it, we will bury it in the ground.
        - To bring kerosene from the City.

        The fourth position precisely determines the future fate of urban ones.

        They said to Staoin, let the mustachioed man dance a lezginka for us, maybe we’ll give him some bread.
        Well, what kind of government will tolerate this?
    5. 0
      1 October 2023 16: 34
      ivan2022. Everything is correct! But in relation to the current period and power it is very unpatriotic. Indeed, we don't need you. Then, when the urine subsided from my head, a cry arose, and this was what we needed. Just a continuation of the First World War with hope - maybe a revolution will break out and we will be saved? Just like in France, when the revolution began, the bourgeoisie invited the Germans. They strangled the revolution and shot it. Guy De*Maupassant wrote about this in his story “Dumpling”.
  3. +16
    22 September 2023 04: 34
    The Bolsheviks simply seized power and built a new state and civilization, a new Soviet Russia. They saved Russian civilization, our state and our people from complete destruction and historical oblivion.

    There are so many different words and sentences about the known and understandable. The autocracy of the Republic of Ingushetia has outlived its usefulness morally, because the scale and vastness of the Republic of Ingushetia did not suggest that it would be ruled by insufficiently wise rulers from the capital ALONE.
    The Bolsheviks showed how and with what it was possible to unite peoples and what idea was capable of reviving Russian statehood. This was the idea of ​​​​building a socialist state on the principles of social justice (ideally). But, as they say, it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines...
    * * *
    If the Bolsheviks took power, then the current liberal government stole it and obtained it through deception and blackmail. And, I can say for sure, in this form it will definitely not last longer than Soviet power. History has already proven that people sooner or later begin to get rid of the parasitic layer by all available means and measures.
    * * *
    Statehood means, first of all, equal responsibility before the law of all citizens (without exception) and the absence of artificially created privileges for some of these citizens... And in our case, the worst of the situations is repeated, when the country lives according to bourgeois (thieves') concepts, pursuing the interests of the one percent of the population.
    1. -11
      22 September 2023 06: 19
      Quote: ROSS 42
      If the Bolsheviks took power, then the current liberal government stole it, obtained it through deception and blackmail

      Who was blackmailed???!!CPSU??

      Quote: ROSS 42
      And, I can say for sure, in this form it will definitely not last longer than Soviet power.
      if we proceed from the fact that a bunch of people are shouting that socialism ended with the death of Stalin and then something went to the line - yes, the border is somewhere nearby

      Quote: ROSS 42
      History has already proven that people sooner or later begin to get rid of the parasitic layer by all available means and measures
      Apparently there is a Socialist United States of America - USA? Or the Soviet Federal Republic of Germany - SFRG?
      As a child, I always wondered why oppressed blacks don’t make a revolution in the USA?
      In the 20th century, almost everyone (except Mongolia and Cuba) built socialism based on the results of bloody wars. No options....
      1. +1
        22 September 2023 14: 36
        Quote: your1970
        Who was blackmailed???!!CPSU??

        How about it! Members of the Central Committee and members of the Politburo stole power from the CPSU through blackmail. laughing
    2. +10
      22 September 2023 06: 35
      Quote: ROSS 42
      This was the idea of ​​​​building a socialist state on the principles of social justice (ideally). But, as they say, it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines...

      And the “ravines” turned out to be ineradicable even during 70 years of Soviet power, philistinism, see the dictionary on ethics
      https://ethics.academic.ru/181/МЕЩАНСТВО
      society, inherited as a “greeting from the dark ages” from Tsarist Russia.
      This very philistinism was raised to the flag as the main “brace” of Russian history already in the 80s with the beginning of “perestroika”.
      Now these “braces” are the main component of our society and public policy.
      Will you win for this? laughing
    3. -3
      22 September 2023 07: 25
      Quote: ROSS 42
      History has already proven that people sooner or later begin to get rid of the parasitic layer by all available means and measures.

      In the US it's still getting rid of it. In France - it is getting rid of, it is getting rid of in Italy, Spain, Japan, it is getting rid of in Poland, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, San Marino and Mallorca, the process of getting rid of everything is going on everywhere, as proven by history, but nowhere has this process been completed yet. However, this is exactly what the Social Revolutionaries called for: movement towards a goal is everything, the goal itself is nothing!
      1. +5
        22 September 2023 16: 40
        So the stratum learned the lessons of the revolution in Russia and chose to share it with the people.
        1. Alf
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          23 September 2023 16: 42
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          So the stratum learned the lessons of the revolution in Russia and chose to share it with the people.

          And now, after the destruction of a completely different system of the state, it has not only stopped sharing, but also takes back what was given in due time.
    4. 0
      1 October 2023 16: 36
      ROSS 42. The author presents Russia as a cigarette butt lying on the road. The Bolsheviks picked up a cigarette butt and lit it, and smoke began to emerge.
  4. 0
    22 September 2023 04: 46
    The Bolsheviks simply seized power and built a new state and civilization, a new Soviet Russia. Saved Russian civilization, our state and our people from complete destruction and historical oblivion.
    In all history books!
  5. +13
    22 September 2023 04: 50
    The most important thing is that the current leadership of the Kremlin, represented by Putin, does not make the same fatal mistakes of a century ago. And looking now at how a strange military operation is being conducted and everything connected with it, how domestic and foreign policy is being conducted, how the migration and demographic situation is developing, how industry is stagnating, I am increasingly inclined to think that our country has firmly taken the path of 1916 and right at all times flies to the year 1917.... And Putin will be betrayed just like Nicholas 2 by his closest associates in the person of Shoigu, Nabiullina, Siluanov, Manturov, Gref, Miller, Skchin, Volodin and other smaller riffraff. Doesn't he really see where everything is going? People in the country and at the front are not fools, they see everything... No one is going to win the war, judging by almost two years of fighting
    1. +12
      22 September 2023 05: 40
      Judging by almost two years of fighting, no one is going to win the war.
      Tell me, can you win a game of chess if you consider your opponent d.u.r.a.k.o.m..? Same here..
    2. -8
      22 September 2023 10: 20
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Judging by almost two years of fighting, no one is going to win the war.

      what are you speaking about? How do you see winning this war? seizure of territories? full of people hostile to Russia? access to the border with Poland, Gehenna armed to the teeth?? which is already ready to fulfill the role of a second Ukraine? pack up smile There is an ordinary war of attrition, the most profitable for us.
      1. +6
        22 September 2023 13: 28
        a conventional war of attrition, the most profitable for us.
        They have a decrease, we have an increase, they have rising prices and inflation, we have the opposite? smile
        1. +2
          22 September 2023 16: 42
          Quote: parusnik
          a conventional war of attrition, the most profitable for us.
          They have a decrease, we have an increase, they have rising prices and inflation, we have the opposite? smile

          Really very profitable
      2. Alf
        +5
        23 September 2023 16: 43
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the most profitable for us.

        In what?
        1. 0
          1 October 2023 16: 43
          Alf. "In what?" The more Russians are killed, the less dissatisfied there will be and at the same time a lesson. That they couldn’t go against the authorities, otherwise there would be a war with just anyone, whatever would suit the people.
  6. +8
    22 September 2023 05: 24
    Wealthy, wealthy and educated layers of society believed that the West (Entente) would help!

    As if things were different in 1991, the liberals, led by the “fingerless” people, convinced the people that the West was our brothers and would help us. The wolf helped the mare by leaving her tail and mane. This is the second time the West is helping Ukraine, there won’t be a third, it will be Ukrainian Libya.
    1. -4
      23 September 2023 06: 48
      Quote: carpenter
      As if things were different in 1991, the liberals led by the “fingerless”people were inspired that the West is our brothers and will help us

      Nowhere in the world is prison chanson as popular as here. Simply because the people oppose themselves to the authorities - “It doesn’t matter that he is a thief/murderer, but the authorities offended him!”
      Nowhere do criminals evoke sympathy - except for us, this has happened historically.
      So to think that the government can instill something in our people is naivety....
  7. +3
    22 September 2023 05: 30
    The Tsarist regime was overthrown by the then elite - generals, members of the Duma, aristocrats and grand dukes, church hierarchs, bankers and other dignitaries

    All this other, as the Author calls it, high-ranking nobility, with its policies simply brought the country to a very dangerous line. And the war that began, for what purpose I personally don’t know, simply turned out to be the trigger for all further events - two revolutions, the shameful Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and the civil war...
  8. +12
    22 September 2023 06: 20
    . Almost everyone wanted a revolution.

    Our irremovable one said that Russia has exhausted its limit on revolutions. And so it began. Now everyone is unhappy. Both the oligarchs and the grassroots people.

    . Tsarist Russia will simply be abandoned! The West still owes us billions of gold rubles, plus interest.

    Why did ours pay off the royal debts and not demand his own?
    1. -4
      22 September 2023 07: 08
      Quote: Stas157
      Why did ours pay off the royal debts and not demand his own?

      Exactly for the same reason - why they were not required in the late USSR. The Bolsheviks, having come to power, renounced all debts and claims.
      That is why Kolchak’s gold lies in Japanese banks forever....
      And we are the legal successor of the USSR, not the Russian Empire, which makes it impossible legal demands for something that belonged to RI.
      The payment of French debts did not help due to the small number of remaining heirs. If it had happened earlier - in the 1940-1960s - it might have worked, there were still many heirs and they could put pressure on the head of France, but then it was impossible....
      1. +6
        22 September 2023 07: 44
        Quote: your1970
        And we are the successor to the USSR, not the Russian Empire

        Why is it impossible to do both? We are one country. Moreover, the political preferences of our elite are on the side of Tsarist Russia, and not the USSR.
        1. +8
          22 September 2023 09: 26
          the political preferences of our elite are on the side of Tsarist Russia, not the USSR

          And people are clearly on the side of the USSR. Hence the conclusion - The next round of civil war is simply inevitable. Because with such an opposite view of both the past and the future of the leaders and the people, all this cannot fundamentally end well.
        2. -6
          22 September 2023 18: 33
          Quote: Stas157
          Why is it impossible to do both?

          Because the USSR I refuse from all property obligations. Moreover, they forgave both their own debts and those of others. The famous Count Ignatiev was not understood by both whites and foreigners - why whites understand - “He sold out to the Bolsheviks, sir,” but for foreigners there was a legal incident - he gave the money to the wrong state to which legally belonged.
          And the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, and not the Republic of Ingushetia - therefore, regardless of envy from the preferences of our elite, we will not see money from the Republic of Ingushetia....
      2. +6
        22 September 2023 08: 12
        Kolchak's gold lies in Japanese banks forever
        Like 300 lard dollars in American banks and the remaining lards are smaller in European banks. smile
        1. 0
          22 September 2023 18: 36
          Yeah...only here’s the trouble - Nabiullina said about 300 billion, but they found only 72 billion of state money.
    2. +11
      22 September 2023 08: 58
      Our irremovable one said that Russia has reached its limit on revolutions

      You might think that when a revolutionary situation matures, someone will ask him...
      1. +1
        22 September 2023 16: 45
        Quote: paul3390
        Our irremovable one said that Russia has reached its limit on revolutions

        You might think that when a revolutionary situation matures, someone will ask him...

        And unfortunately he doesn’t understand this.
        1. Alf
          +1
          23 September 2023 16: 49
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Quote: paul3390
          Our irremovable one said that Russia has reached its limit on revolutions

          You might think that when a revolutionary situation matures, someone will ask him...

          And unfortunately he doesn’t understand this.

          Or he tries not to understand...
    3. Alf
      0
      23 September 2023 16: 46
      Quote: Stas157
      Why did ours pay off the royal debts and not demand his own?

      Apparently, he decided not to embarrass himself, to once again see the bullshit from his “partners”.
  9. +9
    22 September 2023 07: 13
    the best minds of the empire .... Rasputin As the mother of the Moomintrolls said in the cartoon: hohohonyushki ho ho. You don't have to read or write anything else.
    1. -6
      22 September 2023 07: 51
      Quote: Alex 1970
      the best minds of the empire .... Rasputin As the mother of the Moomintrolls said in the cartoon: hohohonyushki ho ho. You don't have to read or write anything else.

      You can be a collective farmer among collective farmers and be smart, or you can be a refined intellectual with a higher education or two - a dumbass...
      At a minimum (according to N2’s diaries) - that Rasputin was categorically against the war.
      And the slogans - he saved his son from the army - are stupid. In the Republic of Ingushetia, it was quite legal to buy off the army by putting someone in your place - Rasputin had enough money to buy the entire village. Closeness to the Tsar - in itself, completely protected him from the army, no one would dare to draft him into the army
  10. +5
    22 September 2023 07: 37
    Funny illustration in the title. Firstly, Lenin did not speak from this armored car; it has been proven that Garford-Putilov was sent to the meeting. Secondly, Stalin did not stand next to him. This is how myths are created. Even without words!
  11. +13
    22 September 2023 07: 45
    Well, the enemies of the Bolsheviks created a myth about a wonderful Russia before the Bolsheviks, which “fed the whole world.” And their “history” ends in 1913, and then immediately, bam, the “Jewish bandits-hiremen” Bolsheviks came and destroyed all the goodness. And they simply threw out 3 years of participation of the Republic of Ingushetia in the First World War, the February Revolution, 8 months of the rule of the Provisional Government.
  12. +6
    22 September 2023 08: 00
    By the way, wasn’t it in yesterday’s article about Africanization that the author persuaded the people to autocracy?
    1. +4
      22 September 2023 08: 09
      hi
      did the author persuade the people to autocracy?
      So this is the second part, how the Bolsheviks created the Soviet empire with the "empirators" laughing I read as far as the words capitalists and bourgeoisie and couldn’t go any further. smile
      1. +6
        22 September 2023 08: 39
        hi Mr./Comrade Samsonov from time to time throws himself from autocracy to communism, apparently according to his mood in the morning and articles are written, today is one thing tomorrow another. wink
        1. +7
          22 September 2023 14: 41
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          Mr./Comrade Samsonov from time to time throws himself from autocracy to communism

          With an inevitable detour into nationalism. He remembers that the Russian army, commanded by the Soviet Headquarters, regularly appeared during the Second World War, fighting on the side of the USSR.
          Although everyone remembers which army in those days had the word “Russian” in its name. smile
  13. +1
    22 September 2023 08: 14
    They saved Russian civilization, our state and our people from complete destruction and historical oblivion.
    Initially, without even wanting it... That's how interesting "zig-zags" Stories are
    1. +3
      22 September 2023 08: 36
      Yeah, but the Bolsheviks didn’t want to go into Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan... it happened naturally. Why didn’t they give up on Turkestan and didn’t leave there... The Baltics, they couldn’t return from the raid, the British got in the way... And I didn’t want to give it back to them without wanting tolaughing“It’s not my fault, he came himself!?” laughing
      1. +2
        22 September 2023 13: 57
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Yeah, but the Bolsheviks didn’t want it

        Yeah.. Initially, the Bolsheviks viewed Russia as the “wick” of the “world revolution” and did not think about any salvation of “Russian civilization”, that is, about creating a state... So, UGU
  14. AB
    +5
    22 September 2023 09: 12
    Manarchists, liberals and other evil spirits will have their buttocks torn from overheating when reading this. The article is correct, but unfortunately it is needed in a more detailed form. We need more facts, links to scientific works, memoirs, etc. Without all this, the article is almost a personal opinion, which is shared by all more or less educated people. Nevertheless, thanks to the author!
  15. -2
    22 September 2023 09: 23
    Quote: tatra
    Well, the enemies of the Bolsheviks created a myth about a wonderful Russia before the Bolsheviks, which “fed the whole world.” And their “history” ends in 1913, and then immediately, bam, the “Jewish bandits-hiremen” Bolsheviks came and destroyed all the goodness. And they simply threw out 3 years of participation of the Republic of Ingushetia in the First World War, the February Revolution, 8 months of the rule of the Provisional Government.

    It was not the enemies of the Bolsheviks who created the myth of a wonderful Russia before the Bolsheviks. Such a myth was created by Brezhnev’s communists at all corners, shouting that the USSR had already overtaken Tsarist Russia of 1913 in this and this and this and this and that. When you listen to them then, Brezhnev’s balabols, you immediately ask yourself the question - apparently Tsarist Russia was truly wonderful, that for the standard of progress to compare, Brezhnev’s balabols chose testimony in Tsarist Russia in 1913. Did it take sixty or seventy years to overtake Tsarist Russia in 1913? I still have one notebook on political studies from 1975. I keep it specially. So it contains just such tables, given to us during political classes by the political officer.
    And you say that the myth about the wonderful Tsarist Russia was created by the enemies of the Bolsheviks. No . This myth was created by Brezhnev’s balabols, who by 1980 were boasting on all corners that the USSR had already overtaken Tsarist Russia of 1913 by so much and so much. But if this took as many as sixty years, then how wonderful this Tsarist Russia must have been!
    1. +8
      22 September 2023 11: 59
      The USSR is a large-scale development of ALL industries compared to the Russian Empire. It was not for nothing that the communists compared the results of the USSR with the best year for the Republic of Ingushetia, 1913, but to prove that many times, tens and hundreds of times, the USSR produced everything necessary for the country and people.
      And the enemies of the Bolsheviks, who captured the republics of the USSR, ruined all the industries in them compared to the USSR, and are afraid to honestly discuss the results of their highly paid work and business under their vaunted capitalism.
  16. -1
    22 September 2023 09: 26
    The Bolsheviks dispersed the Constituent Assembly, which was supposed to choose the form of government in Russia. Remember the famous: “The guard is tired!” Having established a dictatorship, the Bolsheviks first of all shot a demonstration of workers in Petrograd who were protesting against the dispersal.
    1. +8
      22 September 2023 10: 32
      The Bolsheviks dispersed the Constituent Assembly
      The Bolsheviks convened it. The Constituent Assembly was abandoned in protest by the factions of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks, for the refusal of the assembly to accept a decree on peace, on power, on land, on workers' control, nationalization of banks, the composition of the assembly became illegitimate. And what prevented Should the Provisional Government convene a Constituent Assembly? There was enough time.
    2. +7
      22 September 2023 14: 55
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      Having established a dictatorship, the Bolsheviks first shot a demonstration of workers in Petrograd who were protesting against the dispersal.

      And it was the whites who finished off the Founder. Do you remember what KOMUCH is and what Admiral did with it?
      First - Admiral Kolchak's order No. 150 for the arrest of members of Komuch, and then - the clearing of the prison by the teams of Captain Rubtsov and Lieutenant Bartashevsky.
      Looking at such a performance by the Belodelites, the Ufa delegation, which had gone underground, quickly went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. smile
      PMSM, damn it, Siberia and the Far East would have followed the Bolsheviks if it weren’t for Admiral. This is who is truly worthy, on a par with Nicholas II, "Order of the October Revolution for creating a revolutionary situation in the country".
      1. 0
        22 September 2023 15: 06
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Hell, Siberia and the Far East would have followed the Bolsheviks if it weren’t for Admiral

        A slightly different people live in these territories. Their land, unlike Central Russia, cannot be used to lure them into revolution!
      2. -1
        22 September 2023 16: 53
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
        Having established a dictatorship, the Bolsheviks first shot a demonstration of workers in Petrograd who were protesting against the dispersal.

        And it was the whites who finished off the Founder. Do you remember what KOMUCH is and what Admiral did with it?
        First - Admiral Kolchak's order No. 150 for the arrest of members of Komuch, and then - the clearing of the prison by the teams of Captain Rubtsov and Lieutenant Bartashevsky.
        Looking at such a performance by the Belodelites, the Ufa delegation, which had gone underground, quickly went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. smile
        PMSM, damn it, Siberia and the Far East would have followed the Bolsheviks if it weren’t for Admiral. This is who is truly worthy, on a par with Nicholas II, "Order of the October Revolution for creating a revolutionary situation in the country".

        In the magazine "Tseichgauz" there was an article about the Komuch army with drawings of uniforms.
        Before this article, I didn’t know about KOMUCH. Probably like many.
      3. 0
        22 September 2023 18: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
        Having established a dictatorship, the Bolsheviks first shot a demonstration of workers in Petrograd who were protesting against the dispersal.

        And it was the whites who finished off the Founder. Do you remember what KOMUCH is and what Admiral did with it?
        First - Admiral Kolchak's order No. 150 for the arrest of members of Komuch, and then - the clearing of the prison by the teams of Captain Rubtsov and Lieutenant Bartashevsky.
        Looking at such a performance by the Belodelites, the Ufa delegation, which had gone underground, quickly went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. smile
        PMSM, damn it, Siberia and the Far East would have followed the Bolsheviks if it weren’t for Admiral. This is who is truly worthy, on a par with Nicholas II, "Order of the October Revolution for creating a revolutionary situation in the country".

        You surprised me - this moment slipped past me and was not etched in my memory. But I read.....
  17. +1
    22 September 2023 09: 33
    Russia exploded like an atomic bomb.
    A metaphor is not a dog - without it there is nothing (c) laughing
  18. +4
    22 September 2023 09: 45
    Unfortunately, it is easier to lie than to tell the truth! Moreover, the integration of Russia into Europe and America is lobbied by the modern government! How else can you cover up the complete disadvantages of perestroika?
  19. +1
    22 September 2023 10: 13
    The Bolsheviks simply seized power and built a new state and civilization, a new Soviet Russia. They saved Russian civilization, our state and our people from complete destruction and historical oblivion.

    LAND TO THE PEASANTS! FACTORIES FOR WORKERS! ALL POWER TO THE TIPS! - brilliant slogans that, unfortunately, do not work without the rule of law, or work with the opposite effect
    1. +5
      22 September 2023 10: 35
      LAND TO THE PEASANTS! FACTORIES FOR WORKERS! ALL POWER TO THE TIPS!
      Land to the peasants! - Decree on land, implemented. Factories to workers! Decree on workers' control, implemented! Power to the Soviets! - Decree on power, implemented.
    2. +2
      23 September 2023 15: 00
      Oddly enough, all this was true, and a complete state monopoly on any labor activity was introduced by the fighter against the cult of personality, Khrushchev.
  20. -8
    22 September 2023 10: 38
    So, the Red Commissars, the Red Guards, the proletariat and the peasants have nothing to do with the destruction of the autocracy, the Russian Empire. The tsarist regime was overthrown by the then elite - generals, members of the Duma, aristocrats and grand dukes, church hierarchs, bankers and other dignitaries. They dreamed of making Russia a nice France or England. Get rid of the shackles of royal absolutism. And they opened Pandora's box.


    Is this true if you look at it objectively? The facts tell a different story.

    The first Pravda appeared in 1903


    In fact, since 1903 there has been open propaganda.

    In 1910, for a short period of time, it actually became an organ of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (Central Committee member Lev Kamenev was added to its editorial board).


    As we see, in 1910 the publication came completely under the control of the future Bolsheviks.

    In 1912, the VI All-Russian (Prague) Conference of the RSDLP(b) adopted, on the initiative of V.I. Lenin, a decision to publish a mass workers' Bolshevik daily newspaper.


    For 15 years there was a continuous indoctrination of the masses, changing the consciousness of the population of the Russian Empire only through the publication Pravda. How much did it cost and who paid for it? Rather, one can call the version about the voluntary donations of workers, soldiers, sailors, and especially peasants, a myth. The cost of underground printing houses, all the necessary materials, as well as distribution is prohibitive for ordinary citizens. Behind this there had to be government funding, and citizens paid symbolic money.

    The most interesting thing is that these ideas, no matter how conspiratorial it may sound, came from Germany, along with the promotion of the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, which were much more expensive than the Truth.

    What does Germany have to do with it, it would seem? At that time, the Russian Empire had a significant amount of German equipment, specialists and production facilities. Through these chains it was possible to finance anything. Again, Germany pops up in Ukraine after the Revolution. For some reason we took a walk to Crimea. During the Second World War, the Nazis for some reason freed captured Ukrainians and sent them home. Today Russia is conducting a military offensive against the Nazis in Ukraine. If you compare these facts, only a blind person would not notice the consistent connection. Nevertheless, statements about the absence of connections between the Bolsheviks and Ukraine and Germany look strange.

    You may not notice or compare some facts of modern history. For example:
    -evacuation of Navalny to Germany, by personal decision of Chancellor Merkel,
    - open financing of Navalny through YouTube with huge views and at increased rates. By the way, if anyone noticed. Shortly after Navalny's conviction, YouTube stopped paying Russian citizens. Indeed, why finance the pro-Russian content of Yuri Podolyaki, it is not democratic.
    -McDonald's also quickly closed as soon as they were brought under control. In Africa, McDonald's is popular for meetings with agents. The projects are American, it is not difficult to track the listening equipment. In Russia, these structures could also be used to finance any purposes.

    Of course, the tsarist elite took part in the collapse of the Russian Empire along with other layers of society. Only they were not the initiators, but rather forced participants, due to a feeling of lack of origin. Russia faced the same phenomenon in 1991-93. Foam also surfaced and the country began to be torn into pieces. So, you can not only fill your pockets, but also keep the loot, if you are lucky and stay alive.

    To see something you have to look.
    1. +10
      22 September 2023 14: 59
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      For 15 years there was a continuous indoctrination of the masses, changing the consciousness of the population of the Russian Empire only through the publication Pravda.

      One newspaper. The circulation is 40-60 thousand copies EXW (within the country it is even less, because illegal literature was regularly confiscated, and its delivery channels were cut off).
      And was this enough to change the consciousness of the masses of the population of a vast Empire with a powerful apparatus of state-religious propaganda? What kind of Empire is this?
      1. -6
        22 September 2023 16: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        One newspaper. The circulation is 40-60 thousand copies EXW (within the country it is even less, because illegal literature was regularly confiscated, and its delivery channels were cut off).


        Was there only one newspaper? Weren't there other forms of propaganda? That's not the question, actually. Carrying out such large-scale propaganda work required a lot of money. It is quite obvious that all these lecturers and agitators who brought knowledge to the masses did not work and cost significant amounts of money. Someone paid for their travel, accommodation, food, and security. Otherwise they would not have been able to act. Stalin alone, with his militants, was clearly not enough to feed this entire huge mechanism. A beautiful picture with Lenin in a hut was painted later, for the people. In fact, the maintenance of the exiled nobleman Lenin made it possible to hire half of Shushensky to support the hunt. How much money he spent on beer in Switzerland is also unclear. We are asked to accept on faith an inexplicable picture, which is certainly beautiful, but it is better not to ask questions. The cruel Russian Empire provided food delivery from a restaurant in the Peter and Paul Ravelin to prisoner Ulyanov who complained of stomach pain. Who would sit like that? On the way to exile, he stops, at will, and writes a book. And he goes into exile on his own, without security, at government expense and government support. Many people would dream of living like this. Is it possible to imagine that people accustomed to such a lifestyle are able to do something without payment? Yes, they will simply die without money, but they will not be able to earn money.
      2. +5
        22 September 2023 18: 51
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The circulation is 40-60 thousand copies EXW (within the country it is even less, because illegal literature was regularly confiscated, and its delivery channels were cut off).

        You are wrong - pure DAF-border lol
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And was this enough to change the consciousness of the masses of the population of a vast Empire with a powerful apparatus of state-religious propaganda? What kind of Empire is this?

        The criminal code punished quite harshly for acts against faith.
        But at the same time, the priest in the village was part of the government.
        And quite tough.
        Our old people told us that the worst loan was under the cross (worse than "Bystrodeneg" lol ) - the cross remained as a deposit and had to be returned quickly. Because not going to church was easily brought under the Criminal Code belay belay - and the priests chopped this chip right away.

        That is why priests were killed with pleasure, with sophistication...
      3. +1
        23 September 2023 15: 06
        Quote: Alexey RA
        And was this enough to change the consciousness of the masses of the population of a vast Empire with a powerful apparatus of state-religious propaganda? What kind of Empire is this?

        Reptilians can't do that. laughing
      4. +1
        23 September 2023 15: 13
        Are you confusing Iskra and Pravda? Pravda was a legal newspaper. Although she was fined several times, her activities were stopped for a while. But it was immediately released under other names.
  21. +3
    22 September 2023 11: 39
    A very incorrect statement - picked up. They organized it all. The basis began in December 1825. Then the elite was going to flee the country. And what happened then? War, revolution, riots. Only the top understand the problems. Everything escalated during the Crimean War, when the elite showed their faces. By shooting the people in St. Petersburg, they firmly said no. The prince himself is to blame, he said do it, no. Keep quiet and don't show off. Look at the descendants of great princes and kings. After all, they do not advocate support for the Russian people, but for their complete destruction. In fact, they supported sanctions against our country. PS.
    1. Alf
      +1
      23 September 2023 17: 03
      Quote: koralevviktor
      Look at the descendants of great princes and kings. After all, they do not advocate support for the Russian people, but for their complete destruction.

  22. +4
    22 September 2023 11: 46
    It would be better for the 《author》 to speak at rallies ~ not I said, but Bulgakov. The unrest began among the cream of society, and then, as they say, they could not “carry away”
    1. +2
      22 September 2023 13: 40
      Troubles began in the cream of society
      For what purposes? What would change the socio-economic formation? What would nationalize the banks? Which were controlled by foreign capital. What would establish workers' control in enterprises? Distribute land to the peasants? The cream of society wanted this?
      1. Alf
        +3
        23 September 2023 17: 05
        Quote: parusnik
        Troubles began in the cream of society
        For what purposes? What would change the socio-economic formation? What would nationalize the banks? Which were controlled by foreign capital. What would establish workers' control in enterprises? Distribute land to the peasants? The cream of society wanted this?

  23. +2
    22 September 2023 13: 36
    The author is right in almost everything, except for the details, which are significant. In addition to the crisis of power, there was a crisis of the third pillar of the state: religion. In February, he too collapsed, and most priests and bishops supported the coup. And it was they who later fell the main victim of this coup. Without understanding not only the power and social crisis, but also the enormous crisis of the Faith in 1917, it is impossible to correctly and objectively assess the course of further events.
    And we see the continuation of the Civil War even now. The result could be either the revival of the Russian Empire in any form or the collapse of our state with the most dire consequences.
  24. +3
    22 September 2023 15: 12
    And there is also a very interesting story - the abdication of Wilhelm 2 from the throne in 1918. And also completely incomprehensible.
    1. 0
      25 September 2023 07: 36
      Yes, you are right! There was wild horror in the German economy in the 20s........... If you compare Germany and Russia, then it seems to me that Germany had much fewer names and the history of this renunciation is much simpler than the Russian one... Here it is there are dozens of names of us, if not hundreds... each of us stirred up something in our own way, which is still not clear, well, at least there is no common objective opinion about our renunciation... People really like to believe in nonsense... it’s a shame, that they then reproduce the nonsense, considering it to be pure coin, and not a desire to deceive :(
  25. -10
    22 September 2023 15: 23
    Very similar to 91 years old, even my hair started to move. Holy shit. I am for the quartering of all revolutionaries, all overthrowers, all who know what is best. You know - go, dog, work. Brrr..
  26. +2
    22 September 2023 15: 29
    Well, you chose the topic. Understanding the reasons for the 1917 revolution is as difficult as understanding the reasons for the collapse of the USSR. In 1917 there was at least a war, but what happened in 1990? There was no smell of war; the army was stronger than it is now. They can say whether Gorbachev or Khrushchev is a traitor, whoever likes what better. So, after all, the city’s defense system is worth it so that such traitors can be identified and eliminated in a timely manner. By the way, in 1964 the system worked, and the head of the city, who threatened the well-being of the country, was removed.
    But let's go back to 1917. For some reason (neither historians nor economists name them), the Russian state suddenly became very weak. This is evident from many factors: the decline in the authority of the tsarist government among the people, the decline in the authority of the church (in both cases the people’s attitude towards these institutions is fair), the inability to cope with the revolutionaries (either with a stick or with a carrot), the loss of the Russo-Japanese War and etc... All other external factors contributed to the fall of the Russian state, but were not decisive. If an old, decrepit elk stands next to a wolf, why not kill him? And the fact that the Germans delivered the Bolsheviks to their homeland, or the Jews gave the Bolsheviks money, did not matter at all if the state bodies conscientiously performed their functions. How much money have Americans poured into liberals now? Surely many times more than all the revolutionary parties in Russia had at their disposal before the revolution. And what? There is a negative effect from the actions of the liberals, but that’s all.
    In conclusion: one statement was quite upsetting.
    The best minds of the empire understood this - former Minister of Internal Affairs Durnovo, Stolypin (killed), Rasputin (killed) and many others

    If Rasputin (a Khlysto member, a drunkard and in general it is not entirely clear how dark a person is) is the best minds of the empire, then things were very bad.
    1. -7
      22 September 2023 17: 02
      Quote from solist2424
      For some reason (neither historians nor economists name them), the Russian state suddenly became very weak.


      I’m ashamed to tell them that the so-called secret police of the Russian Empire employed about 30 people, for the entire empire (180 million souls). How they could do so many nasty things that propaganda wrote about is unclear. In fact, when the empire was flooded with foreign agents, it turned out that there was no one to defend the country. There simply were no personnel or work experience. Industrialization backfired. Likewise, in 1991, there were no personnel capable of effectively working with Western companies.
      1. +4
        23 September 2023 15: 09
        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
        Industrialization backfired. Likewise, in 1991, there were no personnel capable of effectively working with Western companies.

        Aren't you tired of this blatant bullshit yet?
  27. +4
    22 September 2023 17: 59
    The best minds of the empire understood this - former Minister of Internal Affairs Durnovo, Stolypin (killed), Rasputin (killed)
    Well, considering Rasputin the best mind of the empire is somehow strange.
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  29. -1
    23 September 2023 09: 17
    Talk about the long-ago seizure of power in Russia by foreign armed gangs of rootless cosmopolitans, who were specially trained and armed by the USA and England. For 6 months, the militants were brought to St. Petersburg and placed on the outskirts, in empty barracks, by decision of the Provisional Government. Residents of St. Petersburg did not participate in the seizure, but simply observed the ongoing Locust invasion. The more important thing is that the Secret Always becomes Explicit. Look at today, after the second Locust Infestation in 100 years in the early 1990s. I recently read some interesting information. What's going on behind the scenes: https://dzen.ru/a/ZCx26jRcrB-Wjv0P?utm_referer=www.google.com What a trick! Read the article by the patriot-turncoat to the end. Shocking news from the leader of rootless cosmopolitans - he reveals “Achievements” at the Congress.
  30. +4
    23 September 2023 11: 32
    The Union is the best thing that ever happened, unfortunately it will never happen again.
  31. -6
    23 September 2023 12: 05
    I read to the point that Russia could live peacefully in peace with Germany and quit. A rare bastard.
    1. Alf
      0
      23 September 2023 17: 10
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      I read to the point that Russia could live calmly in peace with Germany and quit.

      And what differences did the Republic of Ingushetia have with the Second Reich that were so fundamental as to start fighting with it?
      1. 0
        24 September 2023 13: 38
        Quote: Alf
        And what differences did the Republic of Ingushetia have with the Second Reich that were so fundamental as to start fighting with it?

        Exactly the same disagreements as the USSR and the Third Reich. Geography...
  32. +2
    25 September 2023 11: 59
    I’m reading the article and thinking, what does this all remind us of in almost every detail? It’s true that there is no party that will take power and restore order in the country.
  33. 0
    29 September 2023 21: 52
    Quote: Pike
    Thus, the Red Commissars, Red Guards, the proletariat and peasants have nothing to do with the destruction of the autocracy, the Russian Empire.

    The tsarist regime was overthrown by the then elite - generals, members of the Duma, aristocrats and grand dukes

    “Vyfsevröt”, here’s the proof:
    [Center]
    By the way, yes, many still think that the Bolsheviks destroyed the Empire, but in fact they began to assemble it after the devastating consequences of February

    You fool)))) they built a different type of state, they didn’t need empires!
  34. 0
    1 October 2023 09: 10
    Another myth, more like a lampoon. About the kind grandfather Lenin, who “picked up” power, together with his ghouls, the Bolsheviks.
  35. 0
    22 November 2023 22: 51
    the author is either or... in general this is my opinion. writes like sweeping a broom.
  36. 0
    6 January 2024 17: 09
    Rasputin is the best mind of the empire... author, are you...?
  37. +2
    6 January 2024 18: 34
    Sure sure.
    "... Horses and people mixed up in a heap,
    And the volleys of a thousand guns
    Merged into a drawn-out howl ... "
    Everything is “simple and clear.” And simplicity is worse than theft....
    They passed by and... raised (power) - why should good things go to waste....
    "Jews in Russia and the USSR" Andrey Dikiy (emigrant, by the way) https://wakeupnow.info/reading/EvrvSR/index.html
    "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Anthony Sutton https://wakeupnow.info/ru/knigi/knigi-drugikh-avtorov/#usibr
    This does not mean that all Jews are bad. Not at all, but there are a lot of them among them. Their environment is such that it is very difficult to be/become a normal person.
    And the “Bolshevik” government was different. From 1917 to 1927 is one thing, from the 30s to the 40s is another.
    Then the war and the post-war period until 1953 are also a different society, a different country. Well, then, with Khrushchev, the degradation of “Ylita” began to descend, ending with “perestroika” and the collapse of the country. And now the “great-nieces” of the “fiery revolutionary revolutionaries” are catching up.
    In general, Mr. Samsonav is a lousy historian, superficial and sometimes “paid for.” Alas...
  38. +1
    20 January 2024 21: 40
    And when the Bolsheviks came with their orders and “war communism,” the “red partisans” immediately turned “green” and began to fight the Red Army.

    Eh... Author, can you give an example of such an instant transformation from red to green? Something smells like another blizzard