Sold out masterpieces

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Sold out masterpieces
Botticelli. "Adoration of the Magi." It was there, but it floated away!


All the features of the face suffered,
They made faces as if he was drunk.
-What happened to her?
- She was sold.
- Where to?
- There... over the ocean.
We are selling
And wood and leather,
But we lack beauty!

Vasily Fedorov “Sold Venus”, 1956

History and culture. Not long ago, VO published several articles about how the country’s property was sold off during the Gorbachev-Yeltsin era. People who “sold their homeland” wholesale and retail were condemned, and it is clear that there was mass condemnation of this phenomenon.



But let's think about what else can any country trade, except... itself. After all, as we say, “native land”, “native forests”, “native fields”, etc. Native is a derivative of the word “Motherland”. This means that wood from the forest is nothing more than a piece of “homeland”, isn’t it? Both oil and gas from the depths of the “native land” are the same as grain grown in the “native fields”.

Even a tank sold abroad, or a Kalashnikov assault rifle, are some kind of “pieces of the motherland”, because they contain metal, coal, mined on its soil, and the labor of people who ate the bread grown on it. That is, “one can,” it turns out, sell one’s homeland, and even one can and should.

The point, therefore, is not about what “cannot” be sold, but only about not underselling when selling. He sold his “piece of homeland” at a profit – well done! Cheap?! Punish the son of a bitch!

True, there is one more important circumstance. What resources are the sold parts of the homeland classified as: renewable or non-renewable. The forest can grow, and why not trade it? The main thing is to plant new forests. Nature produces grain every year, which means it is a good product. But oil... pumped out of the depths today, it will not appear there tomorrow. That is, when selling oil, you should think carefully so as not to sell it short, and at least leave something for your descendants.

The country’s non-renewable resources also include works of art and various treasures accumulated by our ancestors, which have negligible technological but enormous social value.

The same applies to paintings. They don’t drink or eat them, they don’t fuel airplanes, but masterpieces of painting are a very valuable asset of the country. They, of course, can also be sold, like anything else. But here it is especially important not to cheapen, because the country will no longer have such films. Meanwhile, it will be possible to earn money only from tourists who come to look at these paintings... for centuries, until they decay!


The 1918 decision banning the export of artistic treasures from the country. Photocopy of text from the newspaper Izvestia

And today we will tell you about one such episode related to the sale of works of art from our Hermitage in 1929–1934.

It was stated that money was needed for industrialization. And so, to earn them, 2 paintings were selected, and 880 of them were works of great artistic value, and 350 were masterpieces of world significance. They have been in the Hermitage since its founding by Catherine the Great, but now they have decided to sell them. Some of these paintings did not find a buyer, and they were able to return to the museum.

Here are just about 50 of the most famous masterpieces - including works by Jan Van Eyck, Titian, Rembrandt and Raphael - Russia has lost forever. There are no paintings by Van Eyck left in the Hermitage (and even in Russia), and of the works of Raphael, Botticelli and Perugino, only minor works of little value have survived. The collection of Rembrandt paintings from the Hermitage, considered the richest in the world, has now lost the palm to the collections of Amsterdam and New York.

A similar fate befell the collection of Dutch and Flemish paintings, which were collected and bequeathed to the Hermitage by P. P. Semyonov-Tyan-Shansky, as well as the masterpieces of the Stroganov Palace, nationalized after the October Revolution. As if all this were not enough, artistic silver and bronze, numismatic collections and precious enamels of Byzantium were sold abroad from the Hermitage.


Sorting of confiscated church valuables in Gokhran. By the way, church valuables also floated “there” - 60% of the icons circulating on the antiques sales market are from us, from Soviet Russia, sold there precisely in the 20s and 30s!

Already in our days, Hermitage employees regarded everything that happened at that time as a “tragedy and catastrophe”, they believed that it was “an ill-conceived, often inept, even senseless activity, and therefore deplorable in its results.” Well, let's see if it really was so.

From the very beginning of the revolution, that is, already in 1918, the export of artistic treasures abroad was prohibited as ... “theft of national property.” However, already in the first decade of Soviet power, active sales of nationalized works of art, as well as jewelry confiscated from the bourgeoisie, began to the West. But all of these were, in general, ordinary antiques, which it was not a pity to sell.


At first, Western collectors bought works of art at auctions held in Soviet Russia

But in February 1928, the Hermitage and the Russian Museum demanded a list of works of art worth a total of 2 million rubles for sale abroad. In Leningrad, a special agency “Antikvariat” was created for this purpose, subordinate to the People's Commissariat for Education. The Hermitage was supposed to sell 250 paintings at a price of about 5 rubles each, and also sell engravings, weapon and even items of unique Scythian gold.

Moreover, the selection of paintings was not carried out by experienced professional art critics, but by people very far from art: the special commissioner of the People's Commissariat of Trade and the managing director of "Antiques" A. M. Ginzburg and N. S. Angarsky. And all this was resolved by Y. E. Rudzutak. Accordingly, a new director of the Hermitage, G. V. Lazaris, a former official of the People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs, was appointed.

As a result, by October 26, 1928, the Hermitage lost 732 items with a total value of 1 million 400 thousand rubles. And from January 1 to June 7, 1929, Antikvariat received from the Hermitage already 1 objects of art for sale. They were presented at Berlin and London auctions, and...

The appetite came while eating: already in July 1929, 5 objects were removed from the Hermitage in seven weeks; 521 for 2 days of June and for July – 504, that is, much more than for almost the entire previous year. And, as already noted, they sold not only paintings. Thus, from the numismatics department of the Hermitage, 19 gold and 3 platinum coins went to the West, and from the weapons fund a cuirass and a helmet, as well as a complete set of knightly armor made by German gunsmiths of the 017th century. As if they didn’t have enough armor there? So you can imagine how little it was sold for!


Calouste Gulbenkian


Andrew Mellon

As has often happened in the past, we decided to carry out the matter secretly. However, the information that “The Soviets are selling Rembrandt” immediately spread among select Western art dealers.

And their first buyer was Calouste Gulbenkian, the same one who founded the Iraq Petroleum Company, which also traded oil with Soviet Russia. He prepared a list that included, for example, such paintings as “Judith” by Giorgione, “The Return of the Prodigal Son” by Rembrandt and “Perseus and Andromeda” by Rubens. But the deal to sell these paintings did not take place.

But then the Great Depression came, and people, even the very rich, had no time for paintings. That is, the timing for selling works of art was chosen extremely poorly. But what became even worse was that the release of so many masterpieces onto the market at once by Antiques simply oversaturated it and led to... dumping.

Then, in 1930, they decided to focus on masterpieces, so to speak, of the first class, since they were guaranteed to find a buyer. But the main thing is that it was possible to ask a high price for them in order to fulfill the plan for foreign currency earnings. It was then that they remembered Gulbenkian.

As a result, he bought 51 Hermitage exhibits for the amount of 278 pounds, but lost four paintings to the Parisian antique dealer Nathan Wildenstein. Most of these acquisitions are now on display in the museum in Lisbon, which was founded by the Gulbenkian Foundation.


Titian. "Venus in front of the mirror." Now in the National Gallery of Art, Washington

And then something very funny began. In quotes, of course, because in reality it was a real tragedy of “Dunka and Europe.”

The sellers felt that they had been cheap, but Gulbenkian considered the actions of the Soviet agents stupid and unprofessional and even went so far as to write a memorandum letter directly to the Soviet leadership. In it he wrote: “Trade whatever you want, but not what is in museum exhibitions. The sale of something that constitutes a national treasure gives rise to a very serious diagnosis.”

It turns out that this capitalist cared more about the image of our country than its then leaders. The main thing for them was currency! And it was obviously indifferent to them how the same workers in England, France and the USA would look at it, and among them there were quite a few people who were quite educated and understood what was what.


Velazquez Circle. Portrait of Pope Innocent X. Circa 1650. Now in the National Gallery of Art, Washington

But “a holy place is never empty.” Our management found another companion, Francis Mattison, a German art dealer. But before trading with him, she asked him to make a list of those paintings from Russian collections that cannot be sold because of their cultural and artistic value. That is, we ended up where we should have started!

He started compiling this list, looked, and some of the paintings from his list were already in Gulbenkian’s collection in Paris. He invited him to become his agent in relations with Russia, but Mattison decided to work himself. Organized a consortium together with Colnaghi and Knoedlerand Company from New York, after which in 1930–1931. together they bought 21 paintings, which were then bought by Andrew Mellon, a major American banker, government official and collector. This is how the famous Mellon collection came into being.

Through Mattison, he bought “The Annunciation” by Jan Van Eyck and “Madonna of Alba” by Raphael, the latter costing $1, which in those years was the largest amount paid for a painting. And in total, by the end of 166, he paid $400 for paintings from Russia.

And here’s what’s important: Mellon did not leave them to his descendants, but bequeathed his collection to the US government. And after his death it ended up in the National Gallery of Art in Washington.

From Gulbenkian's letter to the Soviet leadership regarding these sales:

“There is already a lot of talk in the public about these sales, which, in my opinion, cause great damage to your prestige (especially the sales to Mr. Mellon, who is very visible). It is possible that in some cases in America you will be able to achieve higher prices than those offered by me. However, the disadvantage of transactions made in this way is so significant from the point of view of prestige, propaganda and publicity that I can only be surprised that you still go for them.”


H. Averkamp. "Scene on Ice" It was sold to an unknown buyer and has been in the National Gallery of Art in Washington since 1967. There are no more works by Averkamp left in the Hermitage

True, the Hermitage staff still managed to save from sale the silver shrine of Alexander Nevsky, Sassanian silver (XNUMXrd–XNUMXth centuries AD), Scythian gold and Leonardo da Vinci’s Benois Madonna.

Finally, on April 25, 1931, the Politburo decided to create a list of masterpieces that could not be sold. So in 1932, some unsold rarities did return from the Antikvariat warehouses to the Hermitage.

In the same year, Sasanian silver was defended for the third time, and then only thanks to a letter from the Deputy Director of the Hermitage Orbeli to Stalin himself. He responded and in a letter to Orbeli mentioned the East, saying there is no need to sell everything. But the word “East” was heard. And the Hermitage employees (God clearly did not offend them with cunning!) began to classify as “oriental” almost any work of art where at least the edge of a Turkish carpet was visible in the same picture.

For quite a long time, information about the sale of masterpieces was kept secret, but on November 4, 1933, the New York Times published an article about the acquisition by the Metropolitan Museum of paintings “The Crucifixion” and “The Last Judgment” by Van Eyck. The reaction in the West to the trade in artistic values ​​was extremely negative. So, in the newspaper “Segodnya” (admittedly, it was an emigrant newspaper, but many people still read it) a cartoon was published with a painting by Lorenzo Lotto “The Spouses” put up for sale. But instead of two spouses, Stalin and an antique dealer were drawn there. “Pay little!” - Stalin is indignant. “They always pay half for stolen goods,” the antique dealer replies.

The position of the country's leading museum was also made easier by the joint Plenum of the Central Committee and the Central Control Commission of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, which took place in mid-January 1933, at which they announced the early end of the first five-year plan, for which the foreign currency funds from the sale of exhibits were used. In addition, the Nazis came to power in Germany, and the German market for antiques was closed, and besides, he himself (due to the unprofessionalism of his employees) worked worse and worse.

Finally, at a meeting of the plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on November 15, 1933, the following decision was made:

“About the Hermitage.
Stop the export of paintings from the Hermitage and other museums without the consent of the commission consisting of vol. Bubnov, Rosengoltz, Stetsky and Voroshilov.”

By the way, Stetsky would later be shot in 1938...

The result of this whole epic was this: the income from the sale of the Hermitage collections provided no more than one percent of the country’s gross income. It is clear that this did not have a noticeable impact on industrialization, but the damage to the cultural heritage of the country and the international reputation of the USSR was simply enormous.

Who was its main initiator?

But who is A.I. Mikoyan, head of the People's Commissariat of Trade since 1926. And at the XV, XVI congresses of the CPSU (b) and party conferences, his People's Commissariat was very criticized for the lack of foreign exchange earnings. So he decided, together with the director of Antikvariat Ginzburg, to “patch the hole.”

As a result, more than six thousand tons (!) of cultural property were sold abroad through the People's Commissariat of Trade. And of course, this brought down the price on them. And the revenue amounted to less than 20 million rubles - three rubles per “kilogram of Rembrandt.”

By the way, the same Torgsin, without touching the treasures of the Hermitage, gave as much as 287 million rubles in gold for the needs of industrialization. The biggest profits from the sale of Hermitage antiques were made by German antique firms, who bought them cheaply and then resold them at exorbitant prices.

And then Hitler came and confiscated all their valuables, after which the Nazis began to sell them, earning foreign currency for the treasury of the Third Reich.

This is what haste in decision-making, lack of marketing research of trade operations and market research, the practice of “simple solutions” and, most importantly, the lack of culture among the country’s leaders, in the broad sense of the word, lead to!
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  1. +10
    12 September 2023 04: 30
    I was not convinced of the depravity of the event... Moreover, I did not understand what you wanted to say by this:
    Moreover, the selection of paintings was not carried out by experienced professional art critics, but by people very far from art: the special commissioner of the People’s Commissariat of Trade and the managing director of “Antiques” A. M. Ginzburg and N.S. Angarsky.

    Where would we be without this “small but nimble nation,” whose representative was Abram Moiseevich Ginsburg...
    * * *
    Vyacheslav Olegovich! What could the young Soviet Republic do if the gentlemen capitalists did not want to buy anything except artistic values?
    With much greater interest we would read about the disappearance of the so-called “gold of the party” and the strange suicides of functionaries from the CPSU and the KGB of that “Gorbachev-Yeltsin” era...
    1. +8
      12 September 2023 04: 56
      Quote: ROSS 42
      A. M. Ginzburg and N. S. Angarsky

      I wonder if these locals art critics Surely they had a hand in the confiscated valuables?
      1. +10
        12 September 2023 18: 31
        Moreover, the selection of paintings was not carried out by experienced professional art critics, but by people very far from art: a special representative of the People's Commissariat of Trade. A.M. Ginsburg

        Well, to call Abram Moiseevich Ginsburg a person very far from art is clearly too much smile On the contrary, he was much closer to art than the other special representatives of the People's Commissariat of Trade Yes After all, she and Marc Chagall were married to sisters. Ginsburg, taking advantage of nepotism, always patronized Chagall's works. True, this art, IMHO, is for a certain lover of a certain nationality. But nonetheless....
        1. Fat
          +4
          13 September 2023 00: 31
          Quote: Richard
          Ginsburg, taking advantage of nepotism, always patronized Chagall's works. True, this art, IMHO, is for a certain audience

          There is a very prestigious profession - gallery owner. Salon, paintings, works of art. Demimond in all his guises, sometimes even Beaumonde... "Kultur - multitur"... Eh... Vintso in the mood... To fool the client into a "masterpiece". Gallery owners make money! And lovers of their nonsense create collections, sometimes without even understanding what they are talking about. The gallery owner is the artist's support - agent, manager and muse. A sales specialist (and, of course, an “authoritative art critic”).. Damn it, this is a business based on tastes and fashion. Savonarola forced the Florentines with his sermons to burn many paintings from their ancestors and contemporaries, and okay. The business of gallery owners selling paintings was not affected...
          Citizens are new settlers! Introduce culture! Hang rugs on dry plaster! No modernism! No abstractionism! Saves walls from dampness and you from rheumatism! Come on, hurry up, buy a painting!
          In general, my point is that cultural and aesthetic value is not absolute. But the historical value of the surviving, preserved artifacts is undeniable.
          These are the thoughts...
          1. +1
            13 September 2023 05: 05
            Leonid Leonov's novel "Skutarevsky". One of the moments there is the collection of a collection that turns out to be worthless and illiquid.
    2. +4
      12 September 2023 07: 06
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What could the young Soviet Republic do if the gentlemen capitalists did not want to buy anything except artistic values?

      It would be quite possible to do without one percent of the income received for these valuables. You are asking the question incorrectly: you just bought a lot of things. But 1% came at too high a price for us. At the cost of masterpieces taken from the future. Now we earn many times more on excursions of the Chinese to the Hermitage alone!
      1. +5
        12 September 2023 13: 44
        Quote: kalibr
        Now we earn many times more on excursions of the Chinese to the Hermitage alone!

        Many times more than what? Gas sales to China? Oil? Ice cream (autumn wants to bite a delicious Russian popsicle)?
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 16: 16
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Chinese excursions to the Hermitage

          There are St. Petersburgers here. They will tell you about how buses bring crowds of Chinese to the Hermitage, how they stream there. It is sometimes impossible to take photographs in the knights' hall. I don’t know what to compare the income from them with. But their crowds are such that they pay a lot...
          1. +7
            12 September 2023 18: 35
            There are no Chinese since the last quarter of 2019. They started releasing them in groups only this spring. I’m telling you this, as a person who knows a little about the tourism, hotel and restaurant business
            1. +1
              12 September 2023 21: 15
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              This is me to you, as a person who knows a little

              But were there? Nikolai wrote to me that he couldn’t take photographs in the Knight’s Hall because of them! And then there was a daughter and son-in-law there and they barely got there precisely because of their abundance. But yes - all this was before Covid.
          2. +9
            12 September 2023 19: 01
            I visit St. Petersburg and the Hermitage quite often. There are no crowds of Chinese there.
            1. +1
              12 September 2023 21: 12
              Quote: Richard
              There are no crowds of Chinese there.

              Not now. But they were. There are people here who can confirm my words.
      2. 0
        21 September 2023 13: 42
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ROSS 42
        What could the young Soviet Republic do if the gentlemen capitalists did not want to buy anything except artistic values?

        It would be quite possible to do without one percent of the income received for these valuables. You are asking the question incorrectly: you just bought a lot of things. But 1% came at too high a price for us. At the cost of masterpieces taken from the future. Now we earn many times more on excursions of the Chinese to the Hermitage alone!

        But we’re making money. That means there’s a lot left. By the way, there’s a lot of stuff still in storage that has never been exhibited
    3. +3
      12 September 2023 07: 07
      Quote: ROSS 42
      We would be more interested in reading about the disappearance of the so-called “gold of the party” and the strange suicides of functionaries from the CPSU and the KGB of that “Gorbachev-Yeltsin” era..

      And where can I get information? Specify the archive and access code!
      1. +1
        12 September 2023 13: 45
        Quote: kalibr
        And where can I get information? Specify the archive and access code!

        It’s unlikely that even GDP or GAZ can say anything about this...
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 21: 11
          Quote: ROSS 42
          It’s unlikely that even GDP or GAZ can say anything about this...

          Then don't demand this from me!
          1. +1
            13 September 2023 14: 16
            Quote: kalibr
            Then don't demand this from me!

            They started - “It was stated that money was needed for industrialization.” Why haven’t you covered this topic? Why didn't they develop it?
            Ah-ah-ah, they didn’t think about Chinese tourists during the rise of the country after the Civil War. Would there be tourists in OUR country now if Japanese and German “tourists” were privatized? I won’t go into detail about the entire defense industry that has been restored and created, you yourself probably know (if without guile and “Then you don’t need to demand this from me!”), but I can briefly tell you about such an ordinary thing as a clock.
            The Soviet government appealed to the leading watch manufacturers in Europe to organize the production of watches in the USSR, let me remind you that there was no mass production of watches in the Republic of Ingushetia, they refused, agreeing only to supply mechanisms and spare parts. Planes in the USSR flew with imported watches, ships with imported ones, etc. What does this lead to - today, sanctions... The leadership of the USSR was more far-sighted and sought to localize production on its territory. As a result, Duber-Hampden, which produced pocket and wrist watches, and Ansonia, which produced alarm clocks and wall clocks, were purchased in the USA. Purchased with all machines, spare parts and technologies. These two enterprises became the basis for the 1st and 2nd state watch factories in Moscow. From them, "by the budding method" laughing , factories spread throughout the country, and produced watches awarded gold medals at international exhibitions in capital countries. What did this lead to? Remember your school years (Soviet, of course, if you caught them), what watch did you wear? How many wall/desk/pocket/wrist/alarm clocks have you seen (mind you, domestically produced) in specialized “Clock” stores? And when you put on this watch and looked at the time at a convenient moment for you, what was closer, dearer to you - your watch, or the Chinese tourists?
            Now about tourists. You complain that your relatives could not get through to the exhibits in the Hermitage - what if there were more of them, and what if they were more masterpieces? Sorry - just ironic hi
            I understand perfectly well what a “national treasure” is, and I also regret the loss of the works you listed for the country, as well as the “church silver”, which also went towards industrialization - but to achieve the goals of the State at that time this was a necessary step. It was probably impossible to do otherwise, with fewer losses.
            PS Imagine if Stalin had taken out loans for everything from any IMF of that time - they would probably still be paying it off. And if they hadn’t taken (loans) and sold (masterpieces), they would have lived in dugouts near a splinter, working as guest workers on someone else’s (formerly their own) land.
    4. BAI
      +8
      12 September 2023 09: 33
      if gentlemen capitalists did not want to buy anything except artistic values?

      As has already been correctly noted, 1% will not save the father of Russian democracy.
      The value of a thing is not always measured in rubles and kilograms.
      Is the unit banner a rag or a priceless thing?
      A piece of intelligence data - to wipe yourself or save tens of thousands of lives?
      So it is with cultural objects. Despite the specific cost, they are priceless.
      This is the property not of the owners, but of the descendants. And the owners’ task is to pass them on to their descendants. And those - to their descendants. And so on.
    5. +4
      12 September 2023 11: 11
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "small but nimble nation"

      God bless you, Armenian surnames appear even more often in the text
  2. +11
    12 September 2023 04: 40
    Paintings have been sold at international auctions for a long time. But if it is not the Soviet government that does this, it is not considered something terrible. laughing

    Which country lacks culture? The country itself was sold...
    It's not a matter of culture here.

    Now criminals have become heroes, and heroes have become criminals.

    You can send 20 thousand troops to Moscow in the rear of your active army on June 24 and become a popular favorite.

    You can divide your country at night in the Belvezhia forest and shoot the All-Russian Congress in October 1993 from tanks - and the same thing, be the favorite of the people and after all be elected to the presidency.

    The White Guards created armies in territories occupied by the Entente or Germany - so they are also Russian folk heroes....

    CONCLUSION.. In Russian history there is not a single unambiguous personality. Everything is crap....

    Leo Tolstoy once remarked to Gorky that if Christ had come not to ancient Judea, but to a Russian village, they would not have crucified Him. The girls would have laughed at him and the men would have pushed him out....

    Betrayal is a natural state of the soul...... And the result is inevitable such that one can envy those who betrayed Christ.
    And you say paintings...

    P.. S. Shpakovsky betrayed the Soviet government, under which he was a teacher of Marxism, and that was nothing, as it were.
    1. +5
      12 September 2023 04: 58
      I suspect that there are no clear-cut personalities in world history.

      We will not touch upon the founders of world religions. How to create idols.
    2. -1
      12 September 2023 07: 11
      Quote: ivan2022
      betrayed Soviet power

      Ivan! Are you by any chance the same Ivan... about whom all Russian folk tales are? It was not I who betrayed her, but she who betrayed me. Tense what's inside your skull and figure it out. You can't betray something that doesn't really exist! It was not we at the Department of History of the CPSU who left the party, but the party which left us.
      1. +3
        12 September 2023 11: 06
        It’s people like you, who under Soviet power, for the sake of profit and career, pretended to be communists and their supporters for years and decades, and turned out to be the most ardent enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. And you will never admit your guilt in anything.
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 13: 39
          Irina! You are working? If “yes,” then please answer the question why you haven’t been fired from your job yet?
          1. +3
            12 September 2023 19: 10
            Maybe because Irina is a current State Duma deputy. It would be better to ask Irina this question, Vyacheslav, after the elections on September 10, 2023. Unless, of course, she deems it necessary to answer you.
            1. +3
              12 September 2023 19: 38
              Hi Dima.
              Quote: Richard
              Maybe because Irina is a current State Duma deputy. It would be better to ask Irina this question, Vyacheslav, after the elections on September 10, 2023. Unless, of course, she deems it necessary to answer you.

              This morning it was September 12, 2023!!!?
              Now no jokes. Taking into account that three out of four comments from the State Duma deputy of the Russian Federation consist of accusations of the enemies of the communists or the USSR, I felt sorry for our Fatherland.
              God bless everyone.
              1. +5
                12 September 2023 19: 57
                Taking into account that three out of four comments from the State Duma deputy of the Russian Federation consist of accusations of the enemies of the communists or the USSR, I felt sorry for our Fatherland.
                “The Kalabukhov House has disappeared!” (c)
              2. +5
                12 September 2023 20: 18
                after the elections on September 10, 2023. This morning it was September 12, 2023!!!?

                Missed a word outcomes when I was typing. Happens request
                Hello. Vlad.
      2. +5
        12 September 2023 11: 24
        It was not I who betrayed her, but she who betrayed me.

        ++++++++++++++!!!
        My God... How hard, how painful it is to read such articles! My limit has come.
        1. 0
          21 September 2023 13: 50
          Quote: depressant
          It was not I who betrayed her, but she who betrayed me.

          ++++++++++++++!!!
          My God... How hard, how painful it is to read such articles! My limit has come.

          It’s even harder to read about the substitution of exhibits in our time. There, at least the money went to the benefit of the state, but here they simply stole
    3. BAI
      +5
      12 September 2023 09: 37
      Shpakovsky betrayed the Soviet government, under which he was a teacher of Marxism, and that was nothing, as it were.

      What does this have to do with the fact of selling art? Collected, by the way, not by supporters of Soviet power
      1. +1
        12 September 2023 11: 32
        Quote: BAI
        What does this have to do with the fact of selling art?

        This is their level of intelligence. There's nothing you can do about it!
    4. 0
      12 September 2023 13: 48
      Quote: ivan2022
      Betrayal is a natural state of mind...

      Remember:
  3. +2
    12 September 2023 04: 56
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    Starting from the epigraph. I come across pieces of Vasily Fedorov's poems. Like them. They hurt. But I didn’t really read it.

    I imagined the scale of the sale of valuables from the Hermitage. I didn't know the details.

    The eternal question is what a country should have for a good life.

    “Property of the Republic” now comes to mind. And "Sea Wolf".
    1. +3
      12 September 2023 21: 44
      poems by Vasily Fedorov come across. Like them. They hurt. But I didn’t really read it.

      Good evening, Sergey. He is also a wonderful prose writer. I like him too. Look in your mailbox - I sent you a three-volume book by V.D. Fedorov "Collected Works in 3 volumes" 1975 ed. "Young Guard" in fb2 format
      1. +2
        13 September 2023 05: 09
        Thank you very much, Dmitry! The time has come to read V. Fedorov.
  4. +11
    12 September 2023 05: 13
    Why are there no names like Ivanov, Petrov, or Sidorov among those who sold these masterpieces? What do you think, if the capitalists defeated the USSR, then in the USSR they would first of all need forests and oil for plunder? No . First of all, they would plunder the museums, and then, slowly, they would take on the forests and diamond deposits. Napoleon's army in Moscow plundered according to chain of command. Soldiers have shops and houses, and generals have wealth in churches and palaces. And since the young USSR did not have time to swing, they sold to Western capitalists what they wanted in the first place. It was a very difficult time for the USSR; it was necessary to sell what was dear to us. That is why the Ivanovs, Petrovs and Sidorovs did not undertake such dirty, although necessary, trade. There were representatives of one nation who were very inclined to sell other people's goods...
    1. 0
      12 September 2023 07: 13
      Quote: north 2
      there are no surnames Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov?

      Probably because they didn’t make the revolution.
      1. 0
        21 September 2023 13: 54
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: north 2
        there are no surnames Ivanov, Petrov, Sidorov?

        Probably because they didn’t make the revolution.

        Or maybe they just didn’t have the necessary education? Just imagine, you come to the West to trade Hermitage rarities...
    2. +1
      12 September 2023 07: 28
      Quote: north 2
      There were representatives of one nation who were very inclined to sell other people's goods...

      Yes, but the Russians and Georgians believed them, didn’t they. You didn’t want to get dirty yourself, right? Honor and praise to them. So Voroshilov was put in charge of art - he was undoubtedly a major specialist in this field. And apparently Russian?
  5. +20
    12 September 2023 05: 29
    I would write VOSH about pictures from old books and there would be no angry comments.
    But it doesn’t and it breaks through and squeezes out such opuses. Do you want bilious fame?
    Yes, in the history of Soviet Russia there were acts of which they were not proud.
    But who will condemn a mother who sells an engagement ring to feed her child?
    Maybe we should condemn the mother who came with her child to Leningrad in search of a new profitable match and when the child gets sick calls her mother to look after him, but she continues to have affairs, unable to stop.
    The author talks about the masterpieces that were sold, but does not mention where the bulging money for them was sent.
    Having called the director of the Hermitage G.V. Lazaris a diplomat, the author is partly right, he is at the same time a writer. Maybe he didn’t write the imperishable book “three from Ensk,” but nevertheless.
    His predecessor in this post was historian and art critic O.F. Waldgauer.
    What claims to it?
    Claims to the leadership of the USSR:
    “lack of culture among the country’s leaders, in the broad sense of the word!” (c)
    This generally smacks of stinking liberalism.
    PS Shpakovsky likes precisely this kind of historical sadomasochism.
    Yes, he’ll pick up a bucket of spit and let him wash himself with it.
    1. -2
      12 September 2023 07: 16
      Quote: ee2100
      But who will condemn a mother who sells an engagement ring to feed her child?

      You, Alexander, forget that the sale of paintings provided only 1% of income. It would be entirely possible to do without it. So the mother did not sell the last ring, but wiggled her hips, lay down under the next man, and... fed the child, and ate herself. This is how the question should be posed!
    2. -1
      12 September 2023 07: 26
      Quote: ee2100
      This is exactly what historical sadomasochism is like.

      It's good that you react so painfully. So the article was a success!
    3. -4
      12 September 2023 07: 32
      Quote: ee2100
      I would write VOSH about pictures from old books and there would be no angry comments.

      Alexander! Well, what are you... unconscious. I wrote to you that both evil and kind comments do not play any role for me here. Here is their number - yes, it increases the investment attractiveness of the site. So “saw, Shura, saw!”
      1. BAI
        +8
        12 September 2023 09: 40
        I wrote to you that both evil and kind comments do not play any role for me here. Here is their number - yes, it increases the investment attractiveness of the site. So “saw, Shura, saw!”

        The answer of an unrecognized genius.
        They won’t recognize me, but I will write. To spite you
        1. Fat
          +3
          12 September 2023 09: 50
          Quote: BAI
          The answer of an unrecognized genius.
          They won’t recognize me, but I will write. To spite you

          There is an answer - that's enough. I don’t like most of A. Samsonov’s opuses... Scold him, don’t scold him, praise him. You can be absolutely sure that there will be no reaction. No visible reaction anyway. Yes
          Should I, based on your maxim, conclude that A. Samsonov is a recognized genius because he does not “condescend” to communicate with commentators? belay crying
          1. BAI
            +1
            12 September 2023 10: 34
            Should I, based on your maxim, conclude that A. Samsonov is a recognized genius because he does not “condescend” to communicate with commentators? belay

            Absolutely wrong conclusion. To answer or not to answer is a sign of culture and confidence in one’s position (regardless of whether it is right or wrong), and not of genius
            1. Fat
              +1
              12 September 2023 22: 33
              Quote: BAI
              Absolutely wrong conclusion.

              Loyal! You use ternary logic without even thinking, intuitively! binary, the most accessible, implies only “true” and “false”, and you give the 3rd sign - the range of equilibrium admissible solutions... And immediately with access to a definition.
              Quote: BAI
              not genius

              Hmmm... But weren’t you the one who started the conversation about the uncertainty of Shpakovsky’s genius? belay drinks wassat
        2. 0
          12 September 2023 11: 35
          Quote: BAI
          The answer of an unrecognized genius.

          Why not recognized? Recognized and very much so. My textbooks are used to study and read books in England, the USA, Australia and Canada, Germany, and now also in Singapore. In the USSR, a whole generation of children grew up on them. And then...And on author. today and not only read, but also give gifts. So what are you talking about?
          1. +4
            12 September 2023 14: 19
            Recognized and very much so. My textbooks are used to study and read books in England, the USA, Australia and Canada, Germany, and now also in Singapore

            Well, to be objective, this does not speak of your genius, Vyacheslav Olegovich.

            Only fools are proud of their talents.


            This idea was expressed by a man against whose background his fame in the literary world looks less than microscopic.
            1. +1
              12 September 2023 16: 19
              Quote from Frettaskyrandi
              Well, to be objective, this does not speak of your genius, Vyacheslav Olegovich.

              Absolutely right. Just fish without fish and cancer.
            2. +2
              12 September 2023 19: 20
              "Only fools are proud of their talents."
              This idea was expressed by a man against whose background his fame in the literary world looks less than microscopic.

              EMNIP, this phrase belongs to a literary character - Miss Maudie from To Kill a Mockingbird.
              1. Fat
                +2
                12 September 2023 19: 45
                Quote: Richard
                "To Kill a Mockingbird".

                Greetings, Dmitry.
                I never expected Mockingbird to be any successful. I hoped for a quick and merciful death at the hands of critics, but at the same time I thought maybe someone would like it enough to give me the courage to continue writing. I hoped for little, but I got everything, and this, to some extent, was as frightening as a quick, merciful death. (R)
                — Harper Lee
                With respect.
                1. +2
                  12 September 2023 20: 01
                  Harper Lee's talent died as quickly as a rabid dog, from the bullet of the father of the main character of the novel.
                2. +2
                  12 September 2023 22: 47
                  Greetings, Dmitry.

                  Good evening, Andrey
      2. +2
        12 September 2023 13: 59
        Quote: kalibr
        I wrote to you that both evil and kind comments do not play any role here for me. Here is their number - yes, it increases the investment attractiveness of the site.

        Be disingenuous, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        In this topic, most of the comments (excluding my four) are yours (33).
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 16: 19
          Quote: ROSS 42
          In this topic, most of the comments (excluding my four) are yours (33).

          There is an opportunity to talk, why not?
    4. +9
      12 September 2023 08: 44
      Maybe we should condemn the mother who came with her child to Leningrad in search of a new profitable match and when the child gets sick calls her mother to look after him, but she continues to have affairs, unable to stop.
      This same mother, pointing to the hard workers, convinced the child to never become like them. And he didn’t, preferring a party career. But the party, which by that time already consisted of people like him, soon fell apart.
      1. +2
        12 September 2023 09: 11
        Quote: Aviator_
        This same mother, pointing to the hard workers, convinced the child to never become like them.

        Sergey, this will be discussed in detail in the next article from the series “Different Fates.” Every parent, Sergey, wants the best for their children, right? Moreover, in accordance with the economic situation in the country, mentality, social affiliation...
      2. -2
        12 September 2023 09: 13
        Quote: Aviator_
        And he didn’t, preferring a party career.

        And again you are confusing... Not the party one. University teacher. Working as a lecturer in the Republic of Kazakhstan CPSU was, let's say, an honorable duty for an educated specialist.
  6. +4
    12 September 2023 06: 01
    The author equated the fascists with the communists. God is his judge. I don’t think that the paintings that are exhibited in our museums are copies. And the author deliberately missed this point.
    1. -2
      12 September 2023 07: 17
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      The author equated the fascists with the communists. God will be his judge

      No need to drink in the morning, Nikolai. Then you will read what is, and not what you see when you are drunk.
    2. +2
      12 September 2023 07: 23
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      And the author deliberately missed this point.

      Why do we have Rembrandt’s “Venus” hanging in some museum?
      1. 0
        21 September 2023 14: 08
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
        And the author deliberately missed this point.

        Why do we have Rembrandt’s “Venus” hanging in some museum?

        And without Venus?
  7. +13
    12 September 2023 06: 37
    I wonder how long it will take before they start talking about trading in the 90s and XNUMXs?..
    1. +7
      12 September 2023 07: 17
      It is clear even now that there is no truth and there never will be, Russia has been sold, all that remains is work for two kopecks.
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 07: 42
        Quote: parusnik
        labor for two kopecks.

        No, Alexey, not in two! In our Penza sewing enterprises, a zipper cutter earns 50 thousand, and seamstresses earn 70 thousand or more, and they are required - there are advertisements, IT specialists receive 150 thousand each, otherwise I saw an advertisement - painters for powder coating are needed - 75 thousand. Good too. Very much so for Penza. It’s true that managers have a target of 30, but the upper limit is usually not limited, which stimulates them...
        1. +3
          12 September 2023 11: 20
          This is a joke from perestroika.
          At the newsstand they ask for the press, and the kiosk guy says,
          Russia is sold, There is no truth, There is no news. All that's left is Labor for two kopecks.
          1. 0
            12 September 2023 11: 38
            Quote: Gardamir
            This is a joke from perestroika.

            And even pre-perestroika!
    2. +4
      12 September 2023 07: 22
      Quote: Gardamir
      when will they start talking about trading in the 90s and XNUMXs?..

      Good question. And it can be answered quite accurately. The period for submitting documents to the archive from the current archive is 10 years. There they undergo a leisurely (there are few workers) sorting into sections. That is, at least another 10 years. So consider... But materials on foreign trade are all classified. Soviet secret. So access to them may be closed even after 50 years. A number of materials on the Second World War are classified until 2045, that is, for 100 years. There is no access to Hitler's archive, but it is kept with us. Stalin's correspondence with our first patriarch is classified, but declassified with Churchill!!! So think about it when, based on archival materials, someone writes about trade in the 90s. Certainly not me...
  8. +11
    12 September 2023 07: 15
    Vyacheslav Olegovich! What else did the Bolsheviks do to you? Tell me. One thing is interesting, what drew you to the ranks of the builders of communism? They were accepted into the October ranks, they swore an oath, they accepted an oath into the pioneers, they swore an oath into the Komsomol, into the party, they made a solemn promise to be in the forefront, or did you cross your fingers behind your back during your oaths and promises? What is this make-believe? And how many of you were there from the 20s until the collapse of the USSR? smile
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 07: 53
      Quote: parusnik
      Tell me.

      Didn’t I write, Alexey? In my opinion, I have written a lot on this topic. A family of communists - grandfather, mother... They always said that they were the best there. But I didn’t consider myself bad. I knew that I was better than many. And why do you think that I didn’t believe in all this? Why? Just think about it with your head... And the goal is to study in graduate school, and to be like my mother, a university teacher. Naturally, membership in the party was somehow implied. And then they offer me a party in the village. According to the order! And they warn you that there will be no other chance. And I.... refuse, right? And then there was the department of history of the CPSU and graduate school. And what do you think, I told anti-Soviet jokes to the students there? This wouldn't last long. So I worked honestly. And this is what I don’t like: all of us, me and my colleagues, worked honestly. We were in the forefront. And everything fell apart without us! The king turned out to be naked. This is what the Bolsheviks did wrong. They prayed to the naked king and forced others to pray. But we managed to find out all this only after 1991. No information, no knowledge, no knowledge, you have to trust what they give. And again, what kind of “crosses” are we talking about in this case? You believe everything that they say and write in the newspapers... You believed it too, didn’t you? So in the future, think before asking such questions.
      1. +3
        12 September 2023 08: 39
        And then they offer me a party in the village. By disorder!
        The word "work order" is written with an A. The test word is work order (for work). For a “4th generation intellectual” it somehow turns out a bit fluid. At the level of brewers and tinsmiths.
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 09: 15
          Quote: Aviator_
          The word "discharge" is written with an A

          No need for small pin pricks, Sergey. What does it matter? Even when I make mistakes in the texts of books, proofreaders correct them. But here you write quickly, but there are no proofreaders...
          1. +7
            12 September 2023 18: 58
            No need for small pin pricks, Sergei. What does it matter?
            These are not minor quibbles. This is a test for a “4th generation intellectual” who believes that he has risen above 80% of the population. Pareto theory.
            1. Fat
              +4
              12 September 2023 20: 08
              hi Sergey! Most people still follow the binary rating system “good” - “bad”, becoming “robots” in adulthood (R.A. Wilson. “Prometheus Rising. Psychology of Evolution”) In fact, the rating system is at least threefold “good” - “not assessable" - "bad". For interest, pick up the works of N.P. Brusentsova. Project Manager for the Setun computer.
              Then test for "4th generation intellectual" Looks pathetic request
              Sincerely
              1. +1
                12 September 2023 21: 02
                Quote: Thick
                Sincerely

                Andrey Borisovich! I once proposed here a similar test for the development of creative abilities. Complete 4 simple tasks and then calculate your level yourself. Do you think at least one of their readers agreed? No! But what is there to be afraid of? Like any text, this does not provide a 100% guarantee of correctness. But the result is obvious. But people are afraid to find out the truth about themselves. Afraid...
                By the way, the test is very simple. You need to write essay stories (well, something like a short essay) on the topic: 5th season, 4 colors of time, world of 4 horizons. The maximum text size is 2 pages, the minimum is not limited. That's all the task!
                1. Fat
                  +3
                  12 September 2023 21: 52
                  Quote: kalibr
                  people learn the truth about themselves.

                  People reasonably fear that THEIR personal, inner truth and complexes will become the property of others. And they prefer either not to “take it into account” or not to take off the “mask” for fear of disapproval and ridicule.
                  What is possible in a circle of loved ones becomes impossible in public.
                  Many people love to watch striptease, but not many can even perform it with dignity.
                  I'm wondering what you expected?
                  1. +2
                    13 September 2023 06: 16
                    Quote: Thick
                    I'm wondering what you expected?

                    That at least someone will do it. I would do. It's interesting...
                  2. +1
                    13 September 2023 11: 40
                    Quote: Thick
                    What is possible in a circle of loved ones becomes impossible in public.

                    For the stupid and insufficiently socialized - yes!
                2. +6
                  12 September 2023 22: 34
                  The test is very simple. You need to write essay stories (well, something like a short essay) on the topic: 5th season of the year

                  Fifth season. winked Well, it depends on what methodology to take as a starting point. I don’t know how it is in civil meteorology, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but military marine and airfield weather forecasters distinguish between six seasons - they also include the pre-winter (mid-October - until December 15–20), and the summer season (begins in mid-March and ends in mid-May) . So judging by the question, the test is initially defective
                  1. +3
                    13 September 2023 05: 18
                    And there are also a lot of phenological divisions: Spring of Light, Spring of Water, Spring of Green Grass and so on - with their own signs.
                  2. -1
                    13 September 2023 11: 10
                    Quote: Richard
                    So judging by the question, the test is initially defective

                    “Do not judge rashly, says the Gospel and Mr. Cardinal!” The test has been tested for many years since 1988. And no one demands a specific answer from you to the question. And no technique is needed either. You just need to write how you imagine the 5th season of the year - 2 pages maximum, minimum is not limited.
            2. +2
              12 September 2023 20: 53
              You have a poor understanding of the effect of the Pareto Law, Sergey. A person can simultaneously be a member of many social pyramids and be in different groups of 80 and 20. From the point of view of knowledge of mathematics, I, for example, am somewhere in the very bottom of 80, but in some other groups I am exactly in the 20s. And, accordingly, I judge what I understand, and do not judge where I do not understand. That's all. But I didn’t come up with the theory of generations. It is on the Internet and you can familiarize yourself with it. You may not like it, but this “thing” has been proven, although there are different systems of reference and counting.
      2. +5
        12 September 2023 17: 44
        Quote: kalibr
        In my opinion, I have written a lot on this topic. Family of communists - grandfather, mother...

        It is clear, in simple terms, nepotism, nepotism. I wonder how old you were when you joined the party? Svanidze, for example, at the age of 18, and also note that his grandfather and mother were fiery Bolsheviks and his speeches and publications are similar to yours, and so on anti-Soviet. The thing is when a young man joins the CPSU after school, having never seen life, that means his family thinks for him, preparing him for a career under the guise of his party membership card. They talk about these - this young man will go far , which is what happened later. Nothing personal, just career.
        Quote: kalibr
        And the goal is to study in graduate school, and to be like my mother, a university teacher.

        Blat in its purest form. But after school, didn’t you try to get into the ranks of the SA? School of Life excellent! They would look at the Union, at the people who lived in it, then they would show themselves.... maybe. Perhaps the views instilled by the family have changed. Anything can happen in life, a two-year-old person will communicate in a different environment, he will speak differently, life will teach him.
        Quote: kalibr
        We all, myself and my colleagues, worked honestly. We were in the forefront. And everything fell apart without us! The king turned out to be naked. This is what the Bolsheviks did wrong.

        Is it fair? Did you go to the front row at BAM? Or did they go to Afghanistan voluntarily, so to speak, by the personal example of a communist, the rank was probably reserve lieutenant, political commander of the company, just by rank? As for “it fell apart without us,” water wears away stones. So they sharpened it.
        Quote: kalibr
        You believe everything they say and write in the newspapers...

        Somehow they don’t look like a big believer. Education though.
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 18: 35
          Quote: Unknown
          Did you go to the front row at BAM? Or to Afghanistan, we went voluntarily,

          Are you laughing? And what would a department of associate professors of the history of the CPSU do at BAM? Everyone should mind their own business! And in the reserve I was in a unit that was supposed to be deployed on the territory of an English-speaking enemy during the war. And besides, rural teachers were not accepted into the ranks of the SA. Male teachers were needed, and very much so!
          1. +5
            12 September 2023 19: 06
            And in the reserve I was in a unit that was supposed to be deployed on the territory of an English-speaking enemy during the war.
            A very controversial statement. Even at the Faculty of Philology of Moscow State University, male and female students took a course in military translators at the military department in the 70s. The structure of the army of a potential enemy, equipment, interrogation. well, etc. So they weren’t going to wait for the “English-speaking enemy” to enter the territory. In the event of a conflict, we would have to fight first on our own territory, as always. And interrogate English-speaking prisoners.
            1. -1
              12 September 2023 20: 46
              Quote: Aviator_
              And interrogate English-speaking prisoners.

              I was taught this in a special school. But what I wrote was written down on the military ID. By the way, then for some reason it was taken away from me at the age of 50...
          2. +3
            12 September 2023 19: 11
            Quote: kalibr
            Are you laughing? And what would a department of associate professors of the history of the CPSU do at BAM? Everyone should mind their own business! And in the reserve I was in a unit that was supposed to be deployed on the territory of an English-speaking enemy during the war. And besides, rural teachers were not accepted into the ranks of the SA. Male teachers were needed, and very much so!

            Why not? At the call of the party and the heart, by personal example, so to speak, to show how to work. So that the department could set an example, I went to work and talked to people. In China, during the Cultural Revolution, Mao sent professors, associate professors, etc. to work in the national economy, which only benefited them. Need to voluntarily write a report, and the DRA accepted the company’s political officer with open arms. They were needed there too very, and be sure men.
            1. -1
              12 September 2023 20: 58
              Quote: Unknown
              necessarily men

              With kidney stones, chronic gastritis, and spinal damage. The benefit of such a political officer would be zero!
              1. +3
                13 September 2023 06: 33
                Quote: kalibr
                With kidney stones, chronic gastritis, and spinal damage. The benefit of such a political officer would be zero!

                'Is this a bouquet before the thirties? Probably after college they worked in a hazardous industry, and not as a teacher at school. Or they got screwed up at the medical examination, well that happens...
                1. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 14
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Or they screwed up at the medical examination, well that happens...

                  How easily you judge others without knowing them at all. This is unreasonable to say the least.
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 00: 25
                    Quote: kalibr

                    How easily you judge others without knowing them at all. It's unreasonable to say the least

                    “A bird is judged by its flight, and a person by its gait” in your case can be clarified ... based on publications.
        2. -3
          12 September 2023 18: 36
          Quote: Unknown
          The school of life is great!

          It depends! Who needs a mare as a bride!
          1. +5
            12 September 2023 19: 14
            Quote: kalibr
            It depends! Who needs a mare as a bride!

            I agree. It would only be good for you.
            1. 0
              12 September 2023 20: 37
              Quote: Unknown
              I agree. It would only be good for you.

              To the benefit of the mare? I'm not attracted to bestiality, thank you!
              1. +3
                13 September 2023 05: 56
                Quote: kalibr
                To the benefit of the mare? I'm not attracted to bestiality, thank you!

                The service is beneficial, otherwise bestiality, where it leads, strangely, leads to certain thoughts.
                1. -2
                  13 September 2023 06: 18
                  Quote: Unknown
                  For the benefit of the service

                  I don't. Definitely. I'm not one to obey fools.
                  1. +3
                    13 September 2023 06: 39
                    Quote: kalibr
                    I don't. Definitely. I'm not one to obey fools.

                    How to say, it would be popular and intelligible to explain who is and who is not. And all commands were carried out, just run.
                    1. -1
                      13 September 2023 11: 16
                      Quote: Unknown
                      And all commands were carried out, only by running.

                      That's why I wasn't there. I always wanted to reserve the right to walk as I see fit, when and where. I always wanted to have bosses over me, whom I choose myself, and not idiots imposed on me.
                      1. +1
                        14 September 2023 00: 33
                        Quote: kalibr
                        That's why I wasn't there. I always wanted to reserve the right to walk as I see fit, when and where. I always wanted to have bosses over me, whom I choose myself, and not bullies imposed on me

                        You're disingenuous and that's putting it mildly. With a track record like this, “I choose my own bosses.” not true
        3. -1
          12 September 2023 18: 37
          Quote: Unknown
          Blat in its purest form.

          What can YOU know about this? About graduate school and other such matters. OBS agency source?
          1. +7
            12 September 2023 19: 09
            What can YOU know about this? About graduate school and other such matters. OBS agency source?
            Vyacheslav, you are bursting with arrogance. And this is not good. Especially for such a refined intellectual.
            1. 0
              12 September 2023 20: 35
              This is not arrogance, Sergey, but self-respect. If you don't respect yourself, why will others respect you? A person judges matters in which he has no clue, and I have to smile politely at this? Never mind!
              1. +3
                13 September 2023 06: 22
                Quote: kalibr
                This is not arrogance, Sergey, but self-respect. If you don't respect yourself, why will others respect you? A person judges matters in which he has no clue, and I have to smile politely at this? Never mind!

                For some reason, I remembered our Leo Tolstoy, just about Shpakovsky
                The prosecutor's comrade was very stupid by nature, but moreover, he had the misfortune of finishing a course at the gymnasium with a gold medal and at the university receiving an award for his essay on servitudes under Roman law, and therefore was extremely self-confident, satisfied with himself (which was also facilitated by his success among the ladies), and as a result he was extremely stupid. .
                1. -2
                  13 September 2023 11: 21
                  Quote: Unknown
                  extremely

                  You, stranger, can even refer to the Pope. It won’t take anything away from me, and it won’t add anything to you. It’s not I who read you here, but you who will read me for a long, long time. But I, most likely, don’t...Or do you have a desire to try? By the way, let me remind you of one of the rules of the site. The material is discussed, not its author.
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 00: 43
                    Quote: kalibr
                    You, stranger, can even refer to the Pope. It won’t take anything away from me, and it won’t add anything to you. It’s not I who read you here, but you who will read me for a long, long time. But I, most likely, don’t...Or do you have a desire to try? By the way, let me remind you of one of the rules of the site. The material is discussed, not its author.

                    Hooked. Don't take it to heart. I don’t read your comments as much as I read your comments, and mind you, I don’t always give my own. It’s when you completely “confuse the shores” that’s when I write.
          2. +4
            12 September 2023 19: 43
            Quote: kalibr
            What can YOU know about this? About graduate school and other such matters. OBS agency source?

            Why OBS? Answer, why do we need graduate school, etc., in the Department of History of the CPSU? What new things would people learn about the history of the party in those days that they did not know before? Time has changed and all the professors, associate professors, etc. began to unanimously pour slop on the party, which they had previously praised in every possible way, and which, by the way, gave them high scientific titles. Such science is worthless. Answer the question: in the Russian Federation today, per 1000 Russians aged 25 to 64 years, there are 304 people with higher education. This is a little more than 25 million people, and where are the advances in science and technology? What do you teach in universities?
            1. 0
              12 September 2023 20: 30
              Quote: Unknown
              Answer, why do we need graduate school, etc., in the Department of History of the CPSU?

              This question should be addressed to the dissolved Central Committee of the CPSU, and I was not a member of it.
              1. +3
                13 September 2023 06: 13
                Quote: kalibr
                This question should be addressed to the dissolved Central Committee of the CPSU, and I was not a member of it.

                As always, I have nothing to do with it, nothing to do with it at all. It was necessary to install numerous assistant professors and other parasites at the Penza Institute, who would benefit zero, so they created the Faculty of History of the CPSU, in which they seriously studied how Sverdlov shared felt boots with comrade in the Turukhansk region. Stalin.
                1. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 25
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Penza Institute

                  You are not very familiar with the history of Soviet higher education. In every Soviet university, from Moscow State University to Naryanmar National University. The university had a department of history of the CPSU, and in each military school there was a department of Marxism-Leninism, combining philosophers and historians of the CPSU, and scientific communists. There was such a time, the party believed that in this way it was educating the masses in the spirit of Marxism-Leninism and proletarian internationalism. Did not help? Well, what to do? You can take the girl out of the village, but you cannot take the village out of the girl!
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 01: 25
                    Quote: kalibr
                    You are not very familiar with the history of Soviet higher education. In every Soviet university, from Moscow State University to Naryanmar National University. The university had a department of history of the CPSU, and in each military school there was a department of Marxism-Leninism, combining philosophers and historians of the CPSU, and scientific communists.

                    I don’t argue, I don’t know him at all. But I know for sure that military-political the school had such a department, a classmate graduated from TVVPSU, and in the combined arms, such a department was needed....like a dead lotion, there are other worries through the roof. All the same, you would have to serve, at least for half a year as a company political officer, communicate with personnel from the “young” to the “grandfathers”, be on duty at night in the barracks, fully taste the life of a young officer, then you could talk about the spirit of Marxism -Leninism and proletarian internationalism. And it’s all empty chatter. By the way, they ignored the issue of 25 million people with higher education and the current successes and achievements of the Russian Federation in science and technology which the cat cried.
                2. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 36
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Faculty of History of the CPSU

                  What an ignoramus you are!
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 01: 34
                    I'll get better, department. Well, I’m good at institute affairs, I haven’t lost my bald spot in various senior offices.
            2. 0
              12 September 2023 20: 32
              Quote: Unknown
              What do you teach in universities?

              For example, from 1991 to 95 I taught the history of the Fatherland, and from 1995 to 2017 - PR and advertising. You can find on the Internet my textbooks for universities on PR and advertising, published here in the Russian Federation and in Germany.
              1. +3
                13 September 2023 06: 57
                Quote: kalibr
                For example, from 1991 to 95 I taught the history of the Fatherland, and from 1995 to 2017 - PR and advertising. You can find on the Internet my textbooks for universities on PR and advertising, published here in the Russian Federation and in Germany.

                But this is not necessary, “he taught the history of the fatherland.” What country? Was it the USSR that they themselves spat on? Leave tales about PR and advertising for Germany for your admirers in Penza. The Germans need your advertising publications like a dog needs its fifth leg. Who should we teach advertising, the Germans? Reminds me of Sobchak... Gives lectures at the Sorbonne, writes books. (True, journalists did not find a lecturer named Sobtchak at the Sorbonne.) ....
                1. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 29
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Leave tales about PR and advertising for Germany for your admirers in Penza.

                  All these books are on the Internet, you can look... Or do you have problems using them and you need to post the covers and give them an ISBN? It will take time...
                2. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 34
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Who should we teach advertising, the Germans?

                  There are 2,8 million Russians there. They need...
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 01: 38
                    Quote: kalibr
                    They need...

                    Quote: kalibr
                    They need...

                    Is this in Germany? Yeah, like an umbrella for a fish.
            3. +2
              12 September 2023 20: 42
              Quote: Unknown
              What new things would people have learned about the history of the party in those days?

              In fact, the party was a fairly living organism. There were topics on the so-called party leadership. Where the experience of party leadership in various areas of production and culture was studied and recommendations were given for its improvement. By the way, here was a series of articles about postgraduate studies at KSU from 1985 to 1988. You can find and read. You will understand more clearly what I am writing about now. Another thing is that the benefit from such dissertations was only for their authors - they learned a lot, but the party was not interested in it. “At the top” they already knew how to lead better!
              1. +2
                13 September 2023 07: 38
                Quote: kalibr
                In fact, the party was a fairly living organism. There were topics on the so-called party leadership.

                So they led, using “research on the experience of the party leadership” and given recommendations for improvement. There is no USSR, there is no CPSU either, but there are still associate professors and other figures who gave recommendations It’s true that even now they also give such advice that the country is flying into the abyss. And in general, the VOSH’s sense of smell is failing him, he has become old and no longer senses where the wind is blowing. At the moment, not recommended vilify the Soviet period, they can solder the status of a foreign agent, and goodbye to a well-fed life.
                1. 0
                  13 September 2023 11: 31
                  Quote: Unknown
                  At the moment, it is not recommended to vilify the Soviet period, they can solder the status of a foreign agent, and goodbye to a well-fed life.

                  Well, you are very much mistaken. So to speak, you go where you have no idea. Therefore, there is no need for me to advise what to write, how and where. However, I can thank you for your active responses. The more clicks you make, the better.
                  1. +1
                    14 September 2023 01: 52
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Well, you are very much mistaken. So to speak, you go where you have no idea. Therefore, there is no need for me to advise what to write, how and where. However, I can thank you for your active responses. The more clicks you make, the better.

                    I’m just warning you, Garbuzov headed the Institute of the USA and Canada of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and he... bam and was fired, he finished his appointment. As Ostap Bender used to say...Kisa, life is boring without you...
        4. +6
          12 September 2023 19: 01
          But after school, didn’t you try to get into the ranks of the SA?
          He has already written about how he escaped conscription by going to the village as an assigned school teacher. This is a little strange, as far as I know, they also called from the village if the time was right.
          1. 0
            12 September 2023 20: 29
            Quote: Aviator_
            This is a little strange, as far as I know, they also called from the village if the time was right.

            I also already wrote to you that since 1975, for some reason, rural male teachers were not taken into the army. And again I wrote to you that laws are written so that citizens comply with them. And if you comply with the law on distribution, then you automatically leave the law on conscription. And then you turn 27 and automatically become a reserve. Please remember.
          2. +5
            12 September 2023 20: 36
            Quote: Aviator_
            He has already written about how he escaped conscription by going to the village as an assigned school teacher. This is a little strange, as far as I know, they also called from the village if the time was right.

            I don’t know, in the 70s there seemed to be a military department in pedagogical institutes, and company political officers were in demand. Later, in 83, Andropov removed it from many institutes. I remember how the students, part of the profit, were so funny.
            1. +6
              12 September 2023 21: 06
              I don’t know, in the 70s there seemed to be a military department in pedagogical institutes, and company political officers were in demand.
              You will fight with such political officers... Considering the contingent of people in pedagogical institutes. Although physicists, mathematicians and chemists were unlikely to have a political officer's educational qualifications. At the training camp in Shatalovo in the summer of 1977, we ran around the Yak-28R and rolled them into the parking lot; they did not let us near the MiG-25. Probably because there was alcohol (massandra). And the Gubkinites (kerosene workers) were busy with refueling at the OZK in the heat, it was a pity to look at them. But we also had a cross-country race in gas masks, which was very memorable.
              1. 0
                13 September 2023 08: 46
                Quote: Aviator_
                You will fight with such political leaders...
                Taking into account the number of people in pedagogical institutes.

                In the absence of fish and cancer, fish. Especially in stock.
            2. 0
              13 September 2023 22: 59
              It’s a pity that they’re funny. It’s a pity that they didn’t give a short course in the “Russian language” for the “cool specialists” from military schools. There are three lines of errors... By the way, “so funny”, as you indicated above, I graduated from VU in 2,5 months with two B marks: in “combat” and “general military regulations”. Almost all political officers with whom I had the opportunity to serve went to places so remote: Germany, the USA, Israel. And a couple associated themselves with the structures of Yarosh and Tyagnibok. I can hardly imagine how they said goodbye to the Banner when leaving the University. It’s good that it’s only etched in my memory how they brainstormed at the PPR with articles from Voennoye Obozreniye. And these articles were written similar to them, only with big stars. And such garbage was in these opuses?!.... As well as the speeches of political officers who poorly distinguish Bach from Feuerbach, and Edita Piekha from “screw you.” And, therefore, you shouldn’t blame the mirror if... (further add it yourself)
      3. +1
        13 September 2023 13: 54
        Quote: kalibr
        So I worked honestly. And this is what I don’t like: all of us, me and my colleagues, worked honestly. We were in the forefront.

    2. +7
      12 September 2023 07: 56
      Quote: parusnik
      And how many of you were there from the 20s until the collapse of the USSR?

      Well, my scientific advisor, professor, former secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU of Moldova, told me that the USSR had been sentenced in the spring of 1988. That the critical year was 1995. But somehow I couldn’t believe it...
  9. +9
    12 September 2023 07: 55
    A very controversial article.
    I would like to remind the author that the vast majority of items from the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art were also purchased at one time for mere pennies, in comparison with their real cost. As well as the Russian collection of impressionists, considered one of the best in the world.
    Can art be measured in money?
    1. +4
      12 September 2023 08: 02
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Can art be measured in money?

      Are you asking me, Anton, or is this a rhetorical question?
      1. +9
        12 September 2023 09: 23
        Rhetorical, Vyacheslav Olegovich. The masterpiece of any piece of art is determined by the mass unconscious. I never tire of reminding you of the “great sculptors of porcelain dogs.”
    2. +3
      12 September 2023 08: 03
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I would like to remind the author that the vast majority of items from the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art were also purchased at one time for mere pennies, in comparison with their real cost.

      What does that say about the intelligence of those who bought it!
  10. Fat
    +11
    12 September 2023 08: 07
    hi Vyacheslav Olegovich. Empress Maria Feodorovna with her daughter and son-in-law in April 1919 on board the British battleship Marlborough was evacuated to Great Britain, to her nephew King George V, and from there she soon moved to her native Denmark, where her other nephew Christian X was king... The Empress succeeded take with you a noticeable part of the collection of magnificent jewelry. After the death of Maria Feodorovna, Grand Duchess Ksenia Alexandrovna, having moved to Britain, sold the collection to the Windsors cheaply for the right to live in the Frogmore House cottage not far from Windsor Castle... Why then did the White emigrants and highly cultured workers of France and Great Britain not pay attention to the deal with the property of the Russian crown and The Russian People received due attention and did not condemn the “only heiress” (Olga Alexandrovna did not receive a penny, although the Empress bequeathed the collection to both daughters equally)
    Here! And this fully educated “patriot” did not preserve her heritage, did not resist... (I really needed the money) But Olga lived her life modestly and with dignity without claiming a national treasure.
    And we only kick the Bolsheviks, saying they are “uncultured”... request
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 08: 22
      Quote: Thick
      property of the Russian crown

      The property of the Russian crown was traded by the crowned lady.
      1. Fat
        +8
        12 September 2023 08: 30
        This is Maria Fedorovna - the crowned lady. And who crowned Ksenia Alexandrovna?
  11. +7
    12 September 2023 08: 08
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: north 2
    There were representatives of one nation who were very inclined to sell other people's goods...

    Yes, but the Russians and Georgians believed them, didn’t they. You didn’t want to get dirty yourself, right? Honor and praise to them. So Voroshilov was put in charge of art - he was undoubtedly a major specialist in this field. And apparently Russian?

    Cute and beautiful rabbits are also slaughtered not by the minister of the meat industry, but by voluntary people - specialists in this matter, who are not averse to doing this. And therefore, it was not Voroshilov who was engaged in sales, but those who sold other people’s slopes were always there. Well, they are not disgusted by it, just like those in the meat plant.
  12. +9
    12 September 2023 08: 19
    At 8 hours 10 minutes out of 30 comments there are 16 authors.
    Excellent work from a PR manager
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 08: 24
      Quote: ee2100
      Excellent work from a PR manager

      "You said!" - phrase from the Bible
  13. +4
    12 September 2023 08: 39
    And their first buyer was Calouste Gulbenkian, the same one who founded the Iraq Petroleum Company, which also traded oil with Soviet Russia. He prepared a list that included, for example, such paintings as “Judith” by Giorgione, “The Return of the Prodigal Son” by Rembrandt and “Perseus and Andromeda” by Rubens. But the deal to sell these paintings did not take place.

    He founded the Turkish Petroleum Company in 1912, which in 1929 was renamed the Iraq Petroleum Company. By this time, Gulbenkian had amassed a huge fortune and became a famous art collector.
    Gulbenkian bought the first three paintings from the Hermitage in 1929 - two paintings by Robert and a painting by Bouts.
    But he didn’t have time to buy Giorgione, Remmbrandt and Rubens. Representatives of the USSR turned to the owner of the Berlin art gallery Galerie Matthiesen, the famous European art dealer Franz Katzenstein, with a request to compile a list of one hundred works of art from USSR museums that are not for sale. The above paintings were on this list. This is how a German Jew saved unique paintings from sale.
  14. +14
    12 September 2023 08: 59
    Such a funny article. The author draws parallels between the robbery of the Russian state in the 90s and beyond and the events of the 30s. This is trying to justify the cheap sale of the Russian potential inherited from the USSR. They say the Bolsheviks also sold and traded the people's property. The discrepancy is that all proceeds from the sale of antiques under the USSR went to the needs of society. In the 90s, some “whistleblower” went into a frenzy and gave a list of what was purchased for the works sold. Factories, production lines, equipment, equipment, etc. The Russian bourgeoisie put the income received from the ruin of the economy into their pockets. Including production created through the sale of Titian and Raphael. So the author seems to have written everything correctly, but as in that joke, there is a nuance.
    1. +2
      12 September 2023 09: 45
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      Such a funny article. The author draws parallels between the robbery of the Russian state in the 90s and beyond and the events of the 30s. This is trying to justify the cheap sale of the Russian potential inherited from the USSR. They say the Bolsheviks also sold and traded the people's property. The discrepancy is that all proceeds from the sale of antiques under the USSR went to the needs of society. In the 90s, some “whistleblower” went into a frenzy and gave a list of what was purchased for the works sold. Factories, production lines, equipment, equipment, etc. The Russian bourgeoisie put the income received from the ruin of the economy into their pockets. Including production created through the sale of Titian and Raphael. So the author seems to have written everything correctly, but as in that joke, there is a nuance.

      The problem is that both the Bolsheviks and the bourgeoisie of the 1990s sold everything for pennies. When cultural values ​​are counted in tons, they will not give any significant price for them....
      The same Torgsin brought 10 times more money to the budget.
      Just so you can imagine - A. Kan, during industrialization in the USSR, had a turnover of 2 and a kopecks billion!!
      And then a measly 20 million for paintings, a T-26 a little later cost about 200 - for 000 tanks and that’s all
  15. +5
    12 September 2023 10: 11
    As a result, more than six thousand tons (!) of cultural property were sold abroad through the People's Commissariat of Trade. And of course, this brought down the price on them. And the revenue amounted to less than 20 million rubles - three rubles per “kilogram of Rembrandt.”
    But it’s a lie to write as if all these tons were taken from the Hermitage and had the value of Rembrandt paintings.
    Well, it’s stupid to compare the gross income of the entire country, including income from the resale of some kind of conventional assets, with the source of currency, without which it would not have been possible to purchase either machines or technologies, not to mention entire factories, from far from friendly capitalists. The machine is not working.
    And this is not counting simply bribing various figures with paintings and other things. Because it’s not enough to bring a bunch of dollars, you also need permission to purchase and export equipment and technology.
    And industrialization ultimately saved Russia, and the sale of paintings contributed to the salvation of the country...
    1. +3
      12 September 2023 10: 38
      Oh yes, Torgsin was a division of the People's Commissariat of Trade and could sell antiques to foreigners and accept antiques from the population. So don’t talk about 6 thousand tons of Rembrandt alone.
    2. 0
      12 September 2023 11: 48
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      the sale of paintings contributed to the salvation of the country

      Tiny and didn’t solve anything. You could have sold more of something else... And not sold it so cheaply!
    3. +1
      12 September 2023 11: 50
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But it’s a lie to write as if all these tons were taken from the Hermitage

      Where is it written that they were taken specifically from the Hermitage? They were exported through various channels...
    4. +3
      12 September 2023 11: 52
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      including income from the resale of any fictitious assets

      We sold: timber, hemp, leather, wax, shag dust, furs (the latter in huge quantities at dumping prices), grain, we sold a lot of other things... And all for foreign currency!
      1. +4
        12 September 2023 12: 35
        Quote: kalibr
        Where is it written that they were taken specifically from the Hermitage? They were exported through various channels...
        That’s right, the main channel is Torgsin, and the bulk in tons was sold and taken out by Torgsin. So to represent these 6000 tons as pure Rembrandt is a form of lying. Well, how did you illuminate these “channels”...
        Quote: kalibr
        The result of this whole epic was this: the income from the sale of the Hermitage collections provided no more than one percent of the country's gross income.... ....As a result, more than six thousand tons (!) of cultural property were sold abroad through the People's Commissariat of Trade. And of course, this brought down the price on them. And the proceeds amounted to less than 20 million rubles - three rubles per “kilogram of Rembrandt”.... ...By the way, the same Torgsin, without touching the treasures of the Hermitage, gave out as much as 287 million rubles in gold for the needs of industrialization.



        Quote: kalibr
        We sold: timber, hemp, leather, wax, shag dust, furs (the latter in huge quantities at dumping prices), grain, we sold a lot of other things... And all for foreign currency!

        And what percentage of the gross income of the USSR was in foreign currency? But 20 million of Torgsin’s income is more than 7 percent. Moreover, Ts worked noticeably longer.

        Quote: kalibr
        Tiny and didn’t solve anything. You could have sold more of something else... And not sold it so cheaply!
        Yes, yes, the USSR simply got rich on the shag dust... And the fact that the paintings were sold cheaply does not mean that the forest was sold expensively, if at all, into the Depression. But it was during the Depression that it was possible to carry out Industrialization relatively cheaply, so a spoon is expensive for dinner.
        Gospodshipnik (22,5 million rubles), ChTZ (23 million rubles), KhTZ (15,3 million rubles), Kuznetsk (25,9 million rubles) and Uralmash (15 million rubles)[31].
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 13: 32
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Well, how did you illuminate these “channels”...

          You again demand a monograph, not an article. You can’t cram everything into one material.
        2. +4
          12 September 2023 15: 53
          There were whole stories with the forest. For example, in Germany there were articles trying to justify the low quality of White Sea pine.

          However, this is just an opinion. But the opinion of a knowledgeable person.

          And there was also the time of forest concessions.
  16. +4
    12 September 2023 10: 55
    A sensible, informative article on an unsophisticated topic.

    It is written that “for Rembrandt” they ran around and sold 20 million rubles. It is curious, however, how much did it cost to build one large turnkey plant or, for example, a hydroelectric power station?

    And why is the name of another “great American friend of the USSR,” art looter Armand Hammer, not mentioned? Lenin himself allegedly sold him paintings... For this, the cunning American helped break the economic blockade of Soviet Russia. Hammer repeatedly exhibited his collection in the USSR - cool, impressive.



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    1. +3
      12 September 2023 11: 42
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      Marauder based on Armand Hammer's painting

      We need to write about it separately. The man worked on a large scale.
    2. +4
      12 September 2023 14: 26
      And why is the name of another “great American friend of the USSR,” art looter Armand Hammer, not mentioned?

      If we describe Hammer’s activities in the USSR in relation to works of art, then an interesting fact will suddenly be revealed that the great Stalinist People’s Commissar, who from Ilyich to Ilyich without a heart attack or paralysis, Anastas Mikoyan, is such a marauder from Jesus that Hammer is a mere baby in front of him. The world-famous scam of counterfeiting Faberge eggs, the organizer and inspirer of which was Mikoyan, alone is worth it. Even the term appeared among art dealers - false berger.
      1. +3
        12 September 2023 16: 01
        “Pastor with a cucumber” and variations on this theme.
  17. +1
    12 September 2023 11: 04
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote: parusnik
    labor for two kopecks.

    No, Alexey, not in two! In our Penza sewing enterprises, a zipper cutter earns 50 thousand, and seamstresses earn 70 thousand or more, and they are required - there are advertisements, IT specialists receive 150 thousand each, otherwise I saw an advertisement - painters for powder coating are needed - 75 thousand. Good too. Very much so for Penza. It’s true that managers have a target of 30, but the upper limit is usually not limited, which stimulates them...

    dreamer, you called me.
    1. +4
      12 September 2023 11: 44
      Quote: lambert
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: parusnik
      labor for two kopecks.

      No, Alexey, not in two! In our Penza sewing enterprises, a zipper cutter earns 50 thousand, and seamstresses earn 70 thousand or more, and they are required - there are advertisements, IT specialists receive 150 thousand each, otherwise I saw an advertisement - painters for powder coating are needed - 75 thousand. Good too. Very much so for Penza. It’s true that managers have a target of 30, but the upper limit is usually not limited, which stimulates them...

      dreamer, you called me.

      Andrey! Well, he wrote and wrote that you can’t lie on the Internet. Penza residents read this too. And they read advertisements that are posted in the city and they themselves work at these enterprises...
  18. +4
    12 September 2023 11: 35
    Movie theme - The famous couplets of Stump (Basov) from the TV series "Adventures of Electronics"
    “Although masterpieces are priceless, everything in the world has a price!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cU-3woiAA

  19. +3
    12 September 2023 16: 03
    There was a whiff of the deceitful perestroika “Spark.”) Another exposure of the “crimes of the communists”!)) The Nepolzhivets author forgot to write where the money from the sale went, and it was embodied in factories, steamships and other good deeds. From the “blessed 90s” from modern Russia so much money was withdrawn that it would be enough to buy three entire Louvres.
    1. +2
      12 September 2023 16: 23
      Quote: AVESSALOM
      Since the “blessed 90s” so much money has been withdrawn from modern Russia,

      Private owners!
    2. -2
      12 September 2023 16: 25
      Quote: AVESSALOM
      There was a whiff of the deceitful perestroika “Spark.”) Another exposure of the “crimes of the communists”!)) The Nepolzhivets author forgot to write where the money from the sale went, and it was embodied in factories, steamships and other good deeds. From the “blessed 90s” from modern Russia so much money was withdrawn that it would be enough to buy three entire Louvres.

      Let's sell the entire Hermitage! Good deeds will be even better!!!
      1. +1
        12 September 2023 21: 40
        “Uncle Fedya, are you crazy?” (c) Don’t confuse horseradish with your finger. The USSR then and Russia now. Primitive manipulation.
  20. +4
    12 September 2023 16: 16
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, one question, if I may.
    In what year did you join the United Russia?
    1. +3
      12 September 2023 16: 47
      Here you go! As soon as I read my question, I clicked! laughing
      At 16-16 I asked a question, at 16-25 Shpakovsky answered the previous commentator, but ignored my question!
      Not good, Mr. Shpakovsky!
      1. +3
        12 September 2023 18: 42
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        Here you go! As soon as I read my question, I clicked!

        I usually answer all questions. But I may not notice something. Sorry. The answer is printed below, but I will repeat it. I did not join the United Russia. I've had enough of the parties.
        1. 0
          13 September 2023 08: 21
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          Here you go! As soon as I read my question, I clicked!

          I usually answer all questions. But I may not notice something. Sorry. The answer is printed below, but I will repeat it. I did not join the United Russia. I've had enough of the parties.

          It was not I who betrayed her, but she who betrayed me.
          Fine. I believed it.
          But your words that it was not you who betrayed the party (CPSU), but it you, put me in a dead end!
          On January 1, 1991, there were over 16 million members of the CPSU!
          16 million!!! The USSR army numbered about 5-6 million. There were 3 times more of you!!! Why didn’t you defend, no, not the Motherland, but your party, from which you received big benefits?
          Or is receiving bonuses one thing, but defending is another? All of you only joined the ranks of ANY party for the goodies!
          Changelings!!! am
          1. 0
            13 September 2023 13: 40
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            Why didn’t you defend, no, not the Motherland, but your party, from which you received big benefits?

            And how would we do it without leadership? In any business there must be a responsible leader, a commander, if you like. And no one wanted to command us. Neither the first secretary of the OK, nor the second... No one, everyone, on the contrary, was glad that there would be no more contributions, tedious party meetings and other crap. Did the KGB communists who had weapons stand up? No! And we didn’t even have weapons...
          2. 0
            13 September 2023 15: 53
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            from which you received big buns?

            By the way, I would ask you to clarify the situation about the buns. And what big benefits did we, teachers of the history of the CPSU at the university, receive from the party? I (and others) would be interested in what myths wander among people like you regarding the benefits that ordinary communists enjoyed?
      2. +4
        12 September 2023 18: 45
        Don’t you suspect that Mr. Shpakovsky simply doesn’t have enough time for you?
        1. Fat
          +4
          12 September 2023 20: 35
          hi Hello Anton. Today Mr. Shpakovsky answers questions from readers. Creative evening. And you’re right, as always, “few answers” ​​is bad, and if the author tries to answer everyone... then it’s even worse - he doesn’t follow the declared doctrine of “life-giving clickbait.” Because there are “many, many” posts by the author himself. A madhouse in 2D, that’s exactly how it seems to me.
          "We stood on the plane
          With variable reflection angle
          Watching the law
          Setting landscapes in motion
          Repeating the words
          Devoid of all meaning
          But without tension, without tension" (c)
          1. +3
            12 September 2023 20: 50
            Creative evening.
            I would say a benefit performance.
            Hello Borisych!
            1. Fat
              +2
              12 September 2023 21: 11
              “What six rubles are like two three rubles...” - national folklore of the Soviet builder from the designer.. to the performer Yes
    2. +5
      12 September 2023 18: 40
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      In what year did you join the United Russia?

      Didn't join. I've had enough of the parties.
  21. -1
    12 September 2023 16: 57
    Someone Shpakovsky. And the site that posts such vysery is face-to-face. You are scum, gentlemen.
    1. +4
      12 September 2023 18: 43
      Quote: gusev_sa
      Someone Shpakovsky. And the site that posts such vysery is face-to-face. You are scum, gentlemen.

      There is no need to swear, Gusev Sergei, weak and limited people swear. Confident people don't swear.
    2. +5
      12 September 2023 19: 50
      Quote: gusev_sa
      Someone Shpakovsky. And the site that posts such vysery is face-to-face. You are scum, gentlemen.

      And if in essence?
      1. Fat
        +7
        12 September 2023 20: 56
        hi Vladislav. I can translate into Central Russian. Shpakovsky is a worthless author, and the commentators of his opus are lumpen...
        Why can we ask an individual about the “substantive claim” if he does not consider us worthy? This is an ethereal from Alpha Centauri, no less. laughing
        1. +3
          12 September 2023 21: 45
          Good evening gentlemen! hi
          So this comrade is also this same one, what’s his name... well, you understand. Because he is also a commentator on this article... Yes
          1. Fat
            +5
            13 September 2023 01: 26
            So he... called the VO website a toilet and didn’t stay long... It smells like the Russian spirit. In a word, “ethereal” with ten years of experience...
            And he comes to us to shit. belay wassat
  22. +7
    12 September 2023 19: 18
    Yes, it was worth a penny, but there were a lot of disadvantages - if the foreigners were worried, at least pointing out how to sell art objects correctly, and what should not be sold at all, then the entire emigration simply could not help but consider the Soviet government to be temporary workers who got their hands on the master's chest.
    However, the USA, 200 years ago was a territory completely devoid of any artistic and historical values, and now it is one of the main places of their concentration. Hellas and Rome, Egypt and Carthage also now “exhibit” their former gigantic collections in London, Paris and Vienna. And Byzantium? This is exactly where there were many, 90% of all the world's masterpieces at one time. The Venetians, under the leadership of the blind Doge Enrique Dondolo, and other crusaders and Turks robbed, but then the wise Sultan realized that the Turkish soldiers were already robbing him, and he stopped the matter. A rare case, before him only Cyrus the Great managed to hear the Lydian king Croesus.
  23. +2
    12 September 2023 20: 54
    Quote: Unknown
    I wonder how old you were when you joined the party?

    1980 26 years.
  24. 0
    14 September 2023 23: 20
    The result of this whole epic was this: the income from the sale of the Hermitage collections provided no more than one percent of the country’s gross income.
    Questions to the author:
    1% of gross income for what period?;
    gross income (99%) was in foreign currency or rubles?;
    and from what source is the information about this “one percent” taken? Is it an official document or someone’s free assessment?
  25. +1
    16 September 2023 09: 01
    What is this publication about - “What we have we don’t keep, having lost it, we cry”! But awareness and understanding of everything that is lost forever does not come immediately. I think that this is happening because our government is opaque and ignorant, permissiveness breeds impunity! If you look at what valuables we lost, sold and exported, your hair will stand on end - for the second Hermitage there will be more - this, alas, continued from 1918 and throughout the twentieth century... The American industrialist A. Hammer received for a pittance for the construction of a pencil factory in Moscow a collection of Faberge Easter eggs and much more. So what are we talking about now...