Armenia is joining NATO. Membership will be paid for by Karabakh and Russia

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Armenia is joining NATO. Membership will be paid for by Karabakh and Russia

I'll start with a definition. What is the “Right of the Strong” and why is it so important in this context.

The rule of the strong is a concept that denotes the presence in society of informal laws, where strength and power are assigned paramount importance. This means that laws and regulations can be ineffective when faced with the actions of a stronger party. The presence of the right of the strong in society depends on socio-economic factors.



“Informal laws” seem to seem frivolous, but the problem is that they sometimes work no worse than formal ones. If you translate “The right of the strong” into ordinary language, you get “Because I can.”

It was precisely according to the “Right of the Strong” that the United States and its vassals began special operations in Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Iraq. According to the “Right of the Might,” ours entered Afghanistan and Ukraine. Afghanistan, however, is an exception, because both ours and the Americans came out of it, the only question is who came out under unfurled banners, and who left very urgently. A trifle, of course, but some are still uncomfortable remembering their retreat. More precisely, overseas they somehow prefer to forget it altogether, much like the “successes” in Vietnam.

Today we can observe how Azerbaijan implements the “Right of the Strong”



We are talking about the blockade of the Lachin road, because of which problems really began in Karabakh. Baku stages its actions as if Karabakh is an illegally occupied territory of Azerbaijan, for the return of which all methods are good. Including the hunger of the residents of Karabakh.

However, this is exactly what the Azerbaijanis think. Condemn? Oh no. Having talked with many representatives of this people, I generally understand and accept their policies. In the end, they do not have calls for clearing Karabakh to the last Armenian; in general, they have a choice. They are simply a stronger side and can afford what Yerevan cannot afford.

But we are talking about Armenia, and here it is appropriate to ask the question: what can Yerevan do?


Nothing. The Armenian army lags behind the Azerbaijani army as much as the self-defense units of Karabakh lag behind the Armenian army. Despite Russia’s constant assistance in technical terms, the Armenian army is inferior to the Azerbaijani in many ways.

What can, or rather, what is Yerevan doing through the hands of Pashinyan? Conducts a trade. Exchanges Artsakh for Karabakh plus NATO membership.

Now those in the know will say: have you got something wrong? Karabakh and Artsakh are one and the same! But no. Geographically, yes, this is the same area. But politically... Artsakh is on the Armenian maps. Karabakh - in Azerbaijani. And the flags are different. And people... different people in power.

I will say this: Azerbaijan will never give up its claims to this land. Azerbaijanis simply consider it theirs, because it was there that a huge number of revered people were born and, importantly, died: religious leaders, poets, storytellers, scientists.

What can I say, who is the most famous Azerbaijani in Soviet times? I think 8 out of 10 will say: Polad Bulbul-ogly. Polad, son of Bulbul (Nightingale in Azerbaijani). The son of Murtaza Mamedov, who was given this nickname for his voice. Well, Murtaza Mamedov... you understand, from there. As an example.

Can Armenia defend its claims? Leave Artsakh behind? Excluded. Two wars have already been lost, and only thanks to Russian intervention does Armenia even exist within its borders. Moreover, it seems to have retained control over Karabakh. But the situation is gradually reaching a dead end, from which there are two ways out - military and trade.

The military option, as I already said, is unrealistic and super-fantastic, and we will look at this further below. Trader... Well, who can out-trade an Armenian? There are options, but they are really few.

Let's take a look at what is now coming from Armenia



1. In January 2023, Armenia cancels the planned CSTO exercises “Indestructible Brotherhood 2023”. The brotherhood turned out to be, as practice has shown, quite destructible, but this is not surprising.

2. In August 2023, Armenia refuses to participate in joint CSTO exercises in Belarus to eliminate an accident at a nuclear facility.

3. Armenian Prime Minister Pashinyan calls it a mistake “the decision to rely only on Russia in matters of ensuring strategic security”. He believes that the entire security architecture of Armenia was 100% built on relations with Russia, and today this is not the best option.

“But today, when Russia itself needs weapons, weapons, it is clear that if it wants, it will not be able to meet the security needs of Armenia... Moscow is moving away from the South Caucasus, one day we will just wake up and see that Russia is not here.” - Pashinyan.

4. Armenia recalls its permanent representative to the CSTO and sends him as ambassador to the Netherlands. Apparently, no one is going to appoint a new permanent representative. Considering that Pashinyan has more than once verbally allowed Armenia to leave the CSTO, apparently, they will not be appointed.

5. On September 1, 2023, the Armenian government sent the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court to parliament for ratification, after which ICC warrants will become binding on the territory of Armenia. This includes an arrest warrant for Russian President Vladimir Putin, issued by the ICC in March.

6. The same Pashinyan accused Russian peacekeepers of not fulfilling their tasks in Karabakh.

“In fact, the Lachin corridor was supposed to be under the control of Russian peacekeeping troops. There are two reasons why this is not the case. Either the Russian Federation is unable to maintain control or does not want to. I think in some places they don’t want to, in others they can’t.”

Several phrases from these points are subject to translation and rethinking.

I'll start with the last one. Here's a shameful rudeness. If one of our readers, who volunteered to win the first contract in Ukraine, had not become a peacekeeper, it would not have been so offensive. But from him I know perfectly well how and under what conditions they breed eagles there on both sides.

In general, the rhetoric of the Armenian side has been very simple since the time of the First Karabakh War. “Hey, Russia, where are you?” Did you hear? We heard. And more than once.

Meanwhile, the anthem of Armenia contains the following words:

Our homeland, free, independent,
What has lived for centuries
He is now calling his sons
To a free, independent Armenia.
...
There is only one death everywhere,
A person only dies once
But blessed is he who perishes
For the freedom of your people.

By the way, the canonical sound is exactly like this: the first and fourth stanzas. The second and third are omitted.

But here’s the problem: for some reason it would be preferable for Russians to die for the freedom of the Armenian people. That’s right, Armenia signed the CSTO agreement, which also allows you to simply sit and demand that Russia solve all of Armenia’s problems. This also applies to weapons; it is known that Armenia received Russian weapons with payment “for later” or debts were later forgiven. And now yes, I need it more.


And for the life of me, I don’t understand why the representatives of Armenia and Karabakh, who calmly watched how the Azerbaijanis built checkpoints and customs in the Lachin corridor, did not go and restore the status quo, since they were so sure that they were right? No, they expected the Russians to do it for them. With small arms and ammunition for peacekeepers, which is strikingly different from what many had in the Northern Military District.

“The complete impression is that I’m half naked in terms of b/c.” But when our Observer finishes his service there, we have already agreed to meet in one small northern town and discuss everything seriously there.

Well, the last point. Joint exercises with the United States “Eagle Partner 11” will be held in Armenia from September 20 to 2023. This, of course, is a trifle. A couple of dozen Americans will arrive, the Armenian military will pretend to be something appropriate for the moment, and that’s all. More important are the behind-the-scenes and political exercises that will run in parallel.

Armenia demonstrates a “turn to the West” and a desire to defend itself from all problems with the help of the United States and NATO, which is almost the same thing. Therefore, operations will be practiced for peacekeeping contingents, which are useful within the framework of the NATO Partnership for Peace program.

However, where are our problems in Armenia? Yes, they are connected with Azerbaijan and Turkey. Which, first of all, are NATO members themselves “(Turkey) and almost (Azerbaijan). Here we must understand that the territories that we call “Turkey” and “Azerbaijan” are inhabited by the same people. Turks. And, if, in addition to participating in the NATO Partnership for Peace program, Azerbaijan decides to become a full member of the bloc, Turkey will definitely not cast a veto. But who knows how it might turn out with Armenia...

Therefore, since Pashinyan decided to protect himself from almost a NATO member with the help of NATO, success, as they say, in this field. There's just one problem: NATO doesn't like beggars or those who have territorial disputes.

And here it is already clear: either give Karabakh to Azerbaijan and thereby improve relations with Turkey as much as possible (as much as possible under Erdogan), or... But the problem is that there is simply no other way to solve the Karabakh problem!

Yerevan, which has decided that Moscow’s assistance is insignificant and ineffective, will not be able to oppose anything to Baku, which is backed by Ankara, either militarily or diplomatically. There is more of everything: money, population, troops, tanks, aircraft and diplomatic weight.

The Baku-Ankara link is a mini-block that will soon determine much of everything that happens in the Transcaucasian region. But Yerevan has nothing in the person of Pashinyan. There is only a desperate desire to somehow secure the country, no matter at whose expense.

And the option is not excluded at all, and there is already information that the United States looks very favorably at the idea of ​​Armenia joining NATO, in which the country will be accepted. In contrast to Turkey, which demonstrates too independent a policy and huge ambitions.

So it is quite possible that the Armenian leadership will completely forget how many sacrifices were made by Armenia for the possession of Karabakh and close the issue of this disputed territory.

Most likely, the situation with Nagorno-Karabakh will be carried out according to Ilham Aliyev’s scenario: those who want will accept Azerbaijani citizenship, those who do not want will leave. Politically, everything looks fine, in practice - just remember Ukraine in 2012-2013. “Suitcase, station...” - we’ve already gone through this. I can’t say that I’m sure that everything will be fair.

But this is probably the only way to resolve the situation without another bloodshed. And Azerbaijan will accept the surrender of Armenia, receiving Karabakh. Almost without blood (although something will definitely happen during the filtration process), and this is good, because if Baku launched the Third Karabakh and destroyed the army of both Armenia and Karabakh - it is difficult to say how it would be perceived in the world and - especially important - in Karabakh itself.

Here, of course, there is doubt that Pashinyan thought everything through well. It is very difficult for me to imagine what those who had relatives and friends killed in the first and second wars will tell him. This is a rather delicate moment, but, as they say, these are already Pashinyan’s problems.

As for the CSTO...


Pashinyan had complaints against the CSTO about why no one rushed into the last conflict with Azerbaijan on the side of Armenia. His dissatisfaction is understandable, especially regarding the topic of why Armenians should fight and die for Armenian interests. But that's how it happened. Therefore, curtsies to the West are understandable. Moreover, the West is also making advances regarding Armenia’s admission to NATO. Everything will be quite logical.

So Azerbaijan will implement its “Right of the Strong” and take Karabakh, Armenia will probably be taken into NATO (like Bulgaria, with a discount on Russian weapons), Turkey will also be happy. Russia... And who is now interested in the opinion of Russia... Once upon a time, the Caucasus was a zone of our interests in full, and the already mentioned Bulbul Mamedov was born not in Karabakh, but in the Shusha district of the Elisavetpol province of the Russian Empire. But that was a long time ago, in a slightly different Russia.

But for now, our guys continue to stand between the Karabakh and Azerbaijani soldiers, not allowing them to grab each other’s throats once again. Without succumbing to provocations, of which there are plenty. And causing dissatisfaction with Mr. Pashinyan, who would like several different arrangements.

In the meantime, let's see how Mr. Pashinyan puts Karabakh, relations with Russia and understanding of his people on the scales with NATO membership.
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    1. +8
      11 September 2023 06: 17
      Russia did not leak anyone and agreed on peace and Armenia would have lost in that war. So where is Armenia going? NATO will be on the side of the strong, how many countries have they abandoned, well, will they bring in their contingent, have they even defeated anyone? Example of Afghanistan?
      They fled from Afghanistan shamefully, and then many who were against the power of the Mujahideen were slaughtered because of them.
      Armenia must understand one thing here: it should spend lard on army training. And many who joined NATO hope that everyone will give them money. But this is due to lawlessness.
      The power of Russia and China is growing. Thanks to China, we have not become bent and are developing
      NATO will put the country on loans and sell the country's economy into slavery for life
      They will take everything for debts, they will say to introduce taxes and the industry will become uncompetitive
      The USA already came to Russia in 1991 with its own rules of world trade, then we know what happened to our industry
      The United States wants one thing: everyone takes loans from it. Contacting the USA is signing your own death warrant. The USA will say live on a budget, you don’t have money, take out loans correctly, otherwise there will be inflation. They will throw the Armenian currency into the water and begin to attack it with their own funds. They will say, we will prove that there is inflation, send the currency to float freely, and they will begin raider attacks on the currency.
      We know all the methods on how to destroy the economy from the US side.
      You shouldn't mess with America, it's like drugs and heroin
      The United States will solve the issue of nationalities following the example of Yugoslavia, splitting it into parts
      And you will become no one and nothing. Show me at least one small country that has achieved at least something in the world?
      1. +22
        11 September 2023 07: 00
        Quote from Alexwar

        They fled from Afghanistan shamefully, and then many who were against the power of the Mujahideen were slaughtered because of them.

        The Mujahideen ended long ago. They were in the first government of Afghanistan, those field commanders who fought with the USSR. And then the Taliban came. Then the Americans defeated the Taliban and set up their own government. And then the Taliban came again.
      2. +8
        11 September 2023 10: 27
        Quote from Alexwar
        Did they actually defeat anyone?

        Twice the regular army of Iraq, both times very quickly. They lost guerrilla warfare, where other tools are important (not the effectiveness of combined arms combat, but the number of soldiers per square kilometer, the correct policy towards the locals, the work of the special services), because the army was too far from its territory and the logistics were golden, if not brilliant, and the territories of the occupied countries were too large.
        Quote from Alexwar
        Armenia must understand one thing here: it should spend lard on army training.

        They have no money
        Quote from Alexwar
        They will say, we will prove that there is inflation, send the currency to float freely, and they will begin raider attacks on the currency.

        Armenian currency - go to the store
        Quote from Alexwar
        The United States will solve the issue of nationalities following the example of Yugoslavia, splitting it into parts

        Armenia is a mono-ethnic country
        Quote from Alexwar
        Show me at least one small country that has achieved at least something in the world?

        Israel, Singapore, Switzerland, Luxembourg, UAE, etc.
        Is Armenia big now?
        And now Armenia is big
      3. -6
        11 September 2023 15: 28
        I think that it is not Armenia that will join NATO, but Pashinyan who will go to the scaffold or be impaled! The Armenians will wake up and stage such a rebellion that the West will remember it for a long time!
        Ukraine has already joined NATO! The whole world is now watching the result...
        And Georgia was also going there until 2008.
        The dreams of these crazy Western rulers have never come true, they can’t even defeat the Papuans, and they’ll keep their snouts open for our country all their lives...
        1. Ray
          +5
          11 September 2023 18: 25
          Ukraine has not yet joined NATO, dear sir. I was just getting ready.
          But Sweden and Finland have never been going there. And now they are in NATO. Finland in its entirety, Swedes de facto.
          Neither did Armenia.
          But Russia demonstrated such blatant weakness in Ukraine, which never once corresponded to the image of a superpower and the second army in the world, that its neighbors stopped fearing it and taking it into account. And they didn’t leave for NATO out of fear, alas. Everyone understands why Putin started the war. This had very deep reasons. Which do not exist in our relations with Finland and Sweden. They just realized that Russia’s two allies - its army and navy - do not provide anything that would say to take Moscow and its opinion into account.
          1. +2
            12 September 2023 00: 43
            As we say in Russia, it’s not evening yet! And there is another saying - they count chickens in the fall!
            Hitler in 1941 was already planning to organize a parade on Red Square. In 1942 I also made plans. And in 1945 he ended his life in a shell crater!
            You famously omitted Georgia from your story. And for good reason))) The same thing is now happening with Ukraine. And it will end the same. I’m even afraid to think how things will end for Finland... And Sweden, as you say, is just getting ready to join NATO, while regularly participating in joint exercises!
            If Armenia joins NATO, a war will begin on its territory, which this territory has never known! And this war will end with the loss of Armenian statehood.
            1. Ray
              0
              17 September 2023 19: 37
              In 41, the United States was on our side and thanks to Lend-Lease, we built a connection in the army. Today the United States and all of NATO are entirely on the side of Ukraine. And the Ukrainians stood up to their death, and did not flee like the Georgians in 2007.
              Second. Starting in the spring of 42, the army was led by young professionals who had lived through the civil war. The General Staff was led by Marshal Vasilevsky. In 42, when he was appointed, he was 47 years old. Remember how old Gerasimov is today? (68). Or Shoigu? (As many).
              Zhukov was 45 years old during the Stalingrad operation; Rokossovsky was 48 years old during the Battle of Kursk. And they didn’t think about how to line their pockets during the war.
              Third. Sudoplatov. He did not expect any non-existent red lines. He organized sabotage work behind enemy lines in such a way that decision makers deep behind enemy lines were destroyed mercilessly. And then there were not only Daggers, but also no planes capable of flying to Berlin.
              Today we have daggers, calibers and many other weapons, and Kyiv is not as far away as Berlin. And attacks on decision-making centers began only this summer. Again(!) after a year and a half of war. Ito was applied only once to the power steering building. Of course, already when no one has been in this building for a long time, the power steering has long been located in some kind of mothballed bunker.
              What stopped you from wiping off the Main Intelligence Directorate, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, and the SBU building from the very beginning of the war?
              Fourth. Phlegmatic, weak-willed and indecisive leader. Well, any words are unnecessary here. Everyone knows and understands what Stalin was like and who he is now.
      4. +1
        11 September 2023 15: 35
        Quote from Alexwar
        Show me at least one small country that has achieved at least something in the world?

        Switzerland, Singapore...
        1. +3
          12 September 2023 00: 48
          I'm afraid to hear the great truth: what exactly did Switzerland and Singapore do that was outstanding? Have they sent a man into space? Have you conquered Mars? Created something so important that you became great? Tell me at least one artist, poet or world-famous artist from Singapore?)))
          Apparently, we are talking about income per resident. Well, here they were ahead of Qatar, Oman, and so on... Moreover, riding camels does not make the residents of these countries poorer than the Swiss.
          By God, in 30 years there have been a lot more abnormal people in our country...
          1. +3
            12 September 2023 11: 03
            Well, if you measure everything like this, then the immodest question is - what did we do? Precisely Russia, and not the USSR? (Just let’s avoid “atom, factories and steamships” - yes, in this regard we are great, but this is also not the conquest of the world and Mars)
            In this case, of the small countries, Great Britain will become the leader - there are world-famous singers and writers (I mean the 20-21st century, after the loss of the colonies)
      5. +15
        11 September 2023 16: 02
        “NATO fled shamefully”...and yet, NATO continues to grow, and on the Russian borders. Should this be considered a success of the Russian Federation's policy? It would be more appropriate to accuse Pashinyan of acting in the interests of his sponsors if the Russian leadership had an alternative in Armenia. However, pro-Russian - or at least neutral candidates - lost to Pashinyan, just as they lost first in the Baltic states, then in Ukraine, then in Georgia, Moldova and Kazakhstan. It turned out that it is impossible to take advantage of even the multimillion-dollar Armenian diaspora in Russia! And now, in the rearguard battles, statements from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Peskov are being heard.
      6. -3
        12 September 2023 09: 13
        Whether NATO will be abandoned or not, the Russian Federation has already abandoned it. Counting on a weakling who is unable to defend his territories is madness. Therefore, even if Pashinyan had not existed until now, he would have appeared.
      7. -1
        12 September 2023 10: 22
        Well, here again Skomorokhov, at an amateurish level, began to make a blizzard about Armenia....
      8. -4
        12 September 2023 10: 30
        Azerbaijan intends to wipe Artsakh off the face of the earth

        Opinion of Russian military expert Alexey Leonkov on the recent abduction of three Armenians in the Lachin corridor.

        Leonkov says that Azerbaijan has long been pursuing an occupation policy towards Artsakh, not recognizing the universal human rights of its residents as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This is expressed in a food blockade, the expert points out, and this is arbitrariness when a person is seized without trial and then a crime is invented for him, according to which he is convicted.

        Azerbaijan is demonstrating its intentions to wipe out the people of Artsakh from the earth, persecuting them because they speak a different language, profess a different faith, and want to defend their homes, their national interests.

        The UN Declaration of Human Rights protects this kind of wishes of nations and peoples, and the population of Artsakh has the right to appeal to the UN that in fact a hidden genocide is being carried out against them, not only on a national basis, but also on a religious basis, Leonkov points out.
        Everything that Azerbaijan is doing now actually borders on the concept of “crime”, which should be prosecuted under international law. Therefore, citizens of Artsakh must still contact all international organizations that defend this,” the expert emphasized.

        Stay in touch.
      9. 0
        12 September 2023 10: 31
        “...Turkish tribes appeared in the 10th century, and in the 11th century they reached the territory of historical Armenia. Armenians have lived on this land since the 15th century BC. That is, the Armenians lived on these lands for about 2500 years before the Turkish invasion. By the way, the first Armenian kingdom of Ararat arose in the 1800th century BC. And the Turkish state - 20 years after that. The Azerbaijani state was created by the Turks in the 4500th century. Now can you imagine how a nation that has lived on these lands for XNUMX years should give way to a country that has existed for a century?..."

        Eugene Satanovskiy
      10. -3
        12 September 2023 10: 32
        Azerbaijan feels its complete impunity - Aleksey Anpilogov

        Russian political scientist Alexey Anpilogov commented on the aggravation on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.

        “Why is Azerbaijan now trying to get away from those negotiations that began on the status of this field after the end of the last Karabakh war and is trying to solve it all by military means? It should be understood that the Sotk deposit is quite interestingly located, i.e. about 30% of the deposit is located on the territory of Armenia and another 70% on the territory of the Kelbajar region of Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani Armed Forces reached the internationally recognized borders of Armenia, but in fact did not start delimiting the border according to Soviet cartography, and there was such a division according to the field.

        Azerbaijan is not interested in making a civilized division of this field and exploiting its own, more significant part of the field. Apparently, the Azerbaijani leadership has taken a course to revise the internationally recognized borders of Armenia. For Azerbaijan, the possession of such a deposit is also of enormous interest,”
        thinks a political scientist.

        According to Anpilogov, the conflict situation has every chance of spreading to Artsakh and other sections of the border with Armenia.

        “From my point of view, Azerbaijan now feels complete impunity in the issue of bilateral relations and Baku has no brakes that could bring the situation around the Sotskoye field to some kind of civilized framework.

        We see that Baku has set a course for a military resolution of the conflict, which indicates that we will most likely observe a similar picture for Artsakh and for other disputed sections of the Azerbaijani-Armenian border, since Baku simply does not have international external brakes now,” believes expert.


        Stay in touch.
      11. -3
        12 September 2023 10: 35
        https://t.me/golos_artsakha
        ----
        Alexander Bordov: “on Karabakh soil, for two centuries now, the interpenetration and mutual enrichment of two Christian cultures has been taking place”

        Most Karabakh residents consider themselves to be bearers of Russian culture, without renouncing their belonging to their ancestral Armenian culture. And this makes the Karabakh Armenians richer in every sense - as well as the Karabakh Russians, saturated with Armenian culture.
      12. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 37
        We demand that Pashinyan immediately sign the assistance package proposed by the CSTO

        Taking into account the deadly threats facing Armenia and Artsakh, the high probability of new large-scale hostilities or war, we again demand that Nikol Pashinyan immediately sign the assistance package proposed by the CSTO to Armenia, says a statement from the Union of Reserve Officers "Shield of the Motherland", the movement " Reserve Officers" and the NGO "Union of Reserve Officers of the National Security Service":

        “We also demand a positive response to the CSTO’s proposal to deploy peacekeeping forces along the entire line of contact between Armenia and Azerbaijan, as well as prepare for two previously rejected CSTO military exercises in Armenia.

        We call on the leaders and officers of the security forces to show their will and prevent the development of events that are extremely dangerous for Armenia, which will lead to new territorial and human losses.

        We urge you to influence the political leadership of the country, not to serve the interests of the enemy and to accept the assistance package offered by the CSTO, otherwise share responsibility for the consequences.”
      13. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 40
        Crafty Europe has dropped the mask of the “savior of Armenia” and TOOK AN OBVIOUSLY PRO-Azerbaijani position: “....Borrell: The European Union is not going to impose sanctions on Azerbaijan

        According to the Union's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Josep Borrell, the EU is not considering sanctions against Azerbaijan, including the cancellation or freezing of the gas contract.

        “Azerbaijan really gives us, or rather, sells us fuel - billions of cubic meters of gas, and thanks to the agreement signed this year we will have a significant increase in volumes - 8-12 billion cubic meters. I can assure you that no political concessions were made in return; the President of the European Commission personally went to Azerbaijan to negotiate this deal. This will make it possible to obtain the energy resources that Europeans so need this winter,” Borrell said..."
      14. -3
        12 September 2023 10: 42
        What happened and what continues to happen in and around Nagorno-Karabakh keeps me awake at night.

        Konstantin Zatulin
        First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots

        ◾️I do not suffer from any Azerbaijanophobia
        ◾️Azerbaijan is in a hurry to realize its interests to the maximum, they are interested in the territory but not in people, they are going to cancel Nagorno-Karabakh.
        ◾️They deny the existence of Karabakh as such, destroy all memory and the very term Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which is firmly included in all UN documents, any others - as if this never happened.
        ◾️ The current government of Armenia has signed that it considers Karabakh an internal matter of Azerbaijan
        ◾️ Demanding people to leave the places where not only their fathers but also their grandfathers lived, historical monuments that your pseudo-scientists declare not Armenian - Gandzasar, Dadivank, Amaras and so on - this is a lie and any historian understands this
        ◾️ Azerbaijanis, Turks could not appear before the collapse of the Turkic Khaganate in Altai, before that there were no Turks in Turkey and there was a different population in Azerbaijan. Armenians lived in this territory long before the 6th century AD, during the time of Alexander the Great they lived there (4th century BC).
        ◾️ The demands to leave their places are a somewhat veiled softened form of the same demands that the Young Turks implemented at the beginning of the 20th century by deporting hundreds of thousands of Armenians from their homes in territories that bear traces of a permanent Armenian presence, autochthonous, so how can I relate to this. ..
      15. 0
        12 September 2023 10: 43
        Considering that now in Azerbaijan there is a mobilization and movement of armored vehicles, tanks and armed forces to all the borders of Armenia, including the side of Nakhijevan and the metropolis of Azerbaijan, it is clear that the Iranian side is monitoring this state and is well aware that all these operations in the next iteration it is against Iran. Therefore, we are not talking about protecting the interests of Armenia, but we are talking about protecting the interests of Iran. The strengthening of NATO countries such as Turkey and Turkey’s ally Azerbaijan in this macro-region poses a huge threat to Iran. Iran cannot and will not put up with this threat. This is precisely why the Iranian side has also concentrated a considerable amount of armored vehicles, long-range artillery, and human resources of the armed forces on the border of Azerbaijan and Armenia.

        Karine Gevorgyan
        Political scientist, orientalist, linguist, translator
      16. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 44
        !!!! """...America will not condemn Azerbaijan's invasion of Armenia. The United States is even ready to provide massive assistance to it if
      17. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 47
        The situation in Nagorno-Karabakh from the side of the Russian peacekeeping contingent.

        The other day we witnessed a new round of conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. Every day the situation begins to become more complicated and again leads to an open military conflict.
        Now I have contact with my soldiers from the RMK, who have been sounding the alarm about the deterioration of the situation for several months now, namely since May.

        It all started with the fact that the RMK unit was cut off from the land route by the Azerbaijani side. The guys have a difficult situation with food and water. All products are delivered by air using helicopters, which are loaded in Armenia and on the way to the RMK they stop and are thoroughly checked by the Azerbaijani security service.
        Also, due to the aggravation of the situation, personnel rotation has not been carried out; everyone is on full alert.

        At the moment, Azerbaijan has increased the number of units at observation posts to a company, if in the summer there was a maximum of up to a platoon.
        Shelling of Armenian Armed Forces units has also become more frequent. As a result of this, you could see the discontent of the citizens of Armenia on August 29, when an RMK car with officers and soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces was stopped.
        Therefore, mutual shelling and provocations continue.
        But peacekeepers also come under attack.

        There is also information that units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces have begun to gather heavy equipment in the RNA. Today, peacekeeping units have been deployed to the areas of contact between the Armed Forces of Armenia and Azerbaijan in order to prevent bloodshed.

        Now, the warring parties may be able to begin open confrontation due to the support of other countries.
        This is already a serious call for the CSTO countries. But the most dangerous thing is that Russian peacekeepers will be under attack.
      18. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 48
        Every time in history when the West returns to the South Caucasus, this means War, said former Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia Artak ZAKARYAN in an interview with Voice of Armenia.
      19. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 50
        In fact, no West supports the Armenians against Azerbaijan with which the EU enters into multi-billion dollar deals, and even the US threatens Artsakh, even the Russian Foreign Ministry reacted to this message, or have you forgotten? Have you forgotten that the plan for the “peace treaty” between Armenia and Azerbaijan, which provides for the surrender of Artsakh, is dictated EXACTLY by the USA???
        Have you forgotten that the head of the State Department, Blinken, today calling for the unblocking of the Lachin corridor, today suddenly called the Akna (Agdam)-Stepanakert road a corridor? Have you forgotten that it was the American Senator Pellone who announced the need to surrender Artsakh? Your memory turns on only when you need to hide the anti-Armenian affairs of Western countries. You have introduced at least one sanctions against Azerbaijan, which took more than 2022 thousand people hostage in 120.

        The US pretends to show some concern in connection with the blockade of the NKR, BUT does not curtail its military assistance and financial support, and absolutely no actions against Azerbaijan. Even after the 44-day war, they did not give Armenia a single cartridge, which goes far, they refused to transmit intelligence data from the very “Armenian” satellite that controls the ESA.

        So somehow colleague Jan. Zhirinovsky would be one hundred percent right if the West, in addition to chatter, reinforced this with real actions. Otherwise, Pashinyan’s regime is sincerely working against Russia, but in return does not even receive a patron, the West simply does not see in Nikola a person who needs to be respected, they use him exactly as he deserves... People like Pashinyan and his sect are even Western fagots are not respected
      20. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 51
        What is happening now in Armenia is an inevitable process that has entered the harsh path of anti-Russian propaganda. I would urge Russians not to identify with the information garbage that the Armenian authorities periodically throw at the fan. This is an endless search for those to blame, which clearly fits into the anti-Russian trend, which is being thrown in at the suggestion of Armenia’s supposed partners.

        Arman Abovyan, member of the political council of the Prosperous Armenia faction, on Soloviev Life
      21. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 53
        Baku’s position is absolutely hypocritical and cannibalistic - Alexey Anpilogov

        Russian political scientist Alexey Anpilogov commented to "Alpha News" on the position of Azerbaijan, which is delaying the humanitarian cargo of the Russian International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Artsakh.

        “Azerbaijan is now playing a shameful double game, and, on the one hand, statements are almost at the level of presidential aide Hikmet Hajiyev, who stated that an allegedly agreement in principle had been reached on the simultaneous unblocking of the Lachin corridor and the road to Agdam, but at the same time accused Artsakh authorities are that it is the Artsakh side that refuses this kind of agreement. It’s the same as extending a stick to a drowning person, but at the moment when he reaches out for this stick, he immediately pulls it back and says that it is himself doesn't want to be saved.

        We all understand perfectly well that the humanitarian crisis has been developing in Artsakh for months, and this is the position of official Baku, that the drowning person himself does not want to be saved, it is, of course, absolutely hypocritical and cannibalistic,” Anpilogov said.

        The expert notes that the goodwill of the Armenian side was not perceived by the Azerbaijani side as a step towards a constructive solution to the situation.
        “At the same time, it is worth understanding that the Russian cargo that was supposed to be sent along the Agdam-Askeran road in the direction of Stepanakert is the cargo of the Russian Red Cross, i.e. it is an absolutely humanitarian cargo that is designed to save the unbearable situation that has developed on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. Moreover, the Armenian side agreed that this cargo should follow the road through Agdam, which is perceived as a certain concession to the Azerbaijani side. But this concession was not accepted as an act of goodwill, but rather was regarded as an act of weakness. And therefore, Baku now, verbally recognizing both the humanitarian crisis and the importance of unblocking transport corridors, continues the blockade of Artsakh and considers the humanitarian crisis as a lever of pressure on Stepanakert and partly on Yerevan in order to close the issue of Armenian Artsakh in the wording that Baku needs. there is complete subordination of the Armenian de facto autonomy to the interests of official Baku,” the political scientist believes.

        According to Alexey Anpilogov, all actions of official Baku are nothing more than an attempt to influence Artsakh in order to stop the desire of the local population for independence.
        “The most likely is the continuation of such a policy of extending and pulling a lifeline in order to keep the humanitarian crisis in Artsakh completely unresolved, but on the other hand, not to allow the presence of international observers, any resonance in relation to the fate of the Artsakh Armenians, i.e. it is possible at some stage, now cargo will again be allowed through, after which the corridors will again be blocked. And this is the policy - not to let it drown on the one hand, and on the other to keep Artsakh on a starvation diet - this will be the position of Baku, which, in its opinion, should pacify any attempts to autonomize the Armenian population of Artsakh,” concluded Anpilogov.
      22. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 54
        Aliyev uses genocide as a method of negotiation: Luis Moreno Ocampo in the US Congress

        “Negotiations will be conducted between the perpetrator of the genocide and its victims. You cannot demand negotiations between Hitler and the people at Auschwitz. This is not a negotiation. You must stop Auschwitz and then discuss negotiations." This was stated by former prosecutor of the International Criminal Court Luis Moreno Ocampo at a hearing at the Tom Lantos Commission on Human Rights in the US Congress on the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh.

        “You cannot participate in negotiations when President Aliyev uses genocide as a method of negotiation. It’s simple,” Ocampo said.

        In his opinion, the risk is that if the US organizes the Stapanakert-Baku negotiations at a time when President Aliyev is using genocide and trying to deny genocide, US assistance in genocide denial could be seen as complicity.
      23. -2
        12 September 2023 10: 56
        Nagorno-Karabakh is the most pro-Russian region, which has always played a colossal role in ensuring the security of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. It was this region that gave a galaxy of outstanding generals of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union.

        To lose Nagorno-Karabakh means to lose a region that has given birth to a galaxy of outstanding statesmen. The loss of Nagorno-Karabakh will result in a loss of Russia’s authority in the post-Soviet space.

        And now, when the region is in distress, maybe it’s time for Moscow to remember the importance of the region, especially since this coincides with its interests?


        Stay in touch.
      24. -3
        12 September 2023 10: 59
        Why did the struggle of the Artsakh Armenians delight the commander of the troops of the Russian Empire?

        An important center of the Armenian liberation movement of the 1720s was Artsakh, where five Armenian feudal principalities-melikdoms (Gulistan, Jraberd, Khachen, Varanda and Dizak) survived.

        Back in 1718-1720. In order to resist external enemies, the Armenian meliks of Artsakh organized fortified military camps called sighnaghs. Military forces were formed in them. The armed forces of Artsakh were led initially by the Gandzasar Catholicos Yesai Asan-Jalalyan, and later by Melik Avan Yuzbashi. Having established strong ties and cooperation with the Georgian king Vakhtang VI, who stood at the head of the Georgian liberation movement, and inspired by the promises of Peter I, the Artsakh people in 1722 rebelled against the Persian khans and declared their country independent. In 1722-1724. The rebels won brilliant victories in a number of battles. During these same years, they several times provided armed assistance to David Beg, who was fighting in Syunik.

        Beginning in 1725, the Armenians of Artsakh fought stubborn battles with the invading Turkish invaders. At the beginning of 1725 Ottoman troops went on the offensive and captured many villages. However, on March 1 of the same year, the rebel peasants almost completely destroyed the Turkish military unit in one night and captured a large amount of weapons and ammunition.

        In November 1726, the Turkish pashas launched a new offensive. The Sighnahi troops and the peasantry offered heroic resistance to them. Although the Turks had about 40.000 soldiers, the Artsakh people, in a fierce battle that lasted eight days, inflicted a heavy blow on the enemy and forced him to retreat. The Ottoman troops were also defeated in July 1727...

        Tsarist General Vasily Dolgorukov, who at that time was the commander-in-chief of the Tsarist troops in the Caucasus and followed the events, wrote in one of his reports to the Russian court: “Only God protects the Armenians, otherwise it is unclear how they can resist such a powerful enemy.”


        Stay in touch!
      25. -2
        12 September 2023 13: 49
        Nagorno-Karabakh is the main obstacle on Azerbaijan’s path to NATO, Russian political scientist Fyodor Voitolovsky said during the ACSI round table in Yerevan.

        And this is against the backdrop of the fact that the Alliance is actively trying to integrate the countries of the South Caucasus, in particular Georgia and Azerbaijan. While remaining loyal to the United States, Turkey has complete carte blanche for the closest possible cooperation with Azerbaijan, with the goal of seeing it as part of NATO in the future. To do this, Baku needs to resolve territorial disputes with Armenia, and if they are resolved in favor of Azerbaijan, this will open the opportunity for deeper integration of the country into the Alliance.
      26. -2
        12 September 2023 14: 18
        Skomorokhov - don’t rush...Armenia is not going to join NATO and will not join there....To your great regret....
      27. -2
        12 September 2023 14: 19
        Nagorno-Karabakh is the main obstacle on Azerbaijan’s path to NATO, Russian political scientist Fyodor Voitolovsky said during the ACSI round table in Yerevan.

        And this is against the backdrop of the fact that the Alliance is actively trying to integrate the countries of the South Caucasus, in particular Georgia and Azerbaijan. While remaining loyal to the United States, Turkey has complete carte blanche for the closest possible cooperation with Azerbaijan, with the goal of seeing it as part of NATO in the future. To do this, Baku needs to resolve territorial disputes with Armenia, and if they are resolved in favor of Azerbaijan, this will open the opportunity for deeper integration of the country into the Alliance.
      28. -3
        12 September 2023 14: 47
        !!! For the first time, a 122-mm T-122 Sakarya multiple rocket launcher system of Turkish (!!..."friend" Russia...) production, which is in service with the Ukrainian army, was destroyed for the first time in the area of ​​the SVO.
      29. -3
        12 September 2023 14: 55
        You know what important nuance we forget, and it is very important to emphasize it. After all, the surrender of Artsakh to the Armenian authorities did not happen at numerous negotiations in Moscow, but happened in Prague, with the mediation of the European Union, the same European Union in which they are now calling to look for an ally and protector, and Moscow was simply presented with a fait accompli. It turns out that Moscow did not allow Nikol Pashinyan to surrender Artsakh, he ran to the EU and quietly did his vile deed.

        So who are the real enemies of Armenia and Artsakh?
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 21: 20
          Quote from Romanovski
          You know what important nuance we forget, and it is very important to emphasize it. After all, the surrender of Artsakh to the Armenian authorities did not happen at numerous negotiations in Moscow, but happened in Prague, with the mediation of the European Union, the same European Union in which they are now calling to look for an ally and protector, and Moscow was simply presented with a fait accompli. It turns out that Moscow did not allow Nikol Pashinyan to surrender Artsakh, he ran to the EU and quietly did his vile deed.

          So who are the real enemies of Armenia and Artsakh?

          Pashinyan is the main enemy and on this I completely agree with Margarita Simonyan.
          Although on other issues not always.
      30. 0
        15 September 2023 12: 41
        ⚠️ In Azerbaijan, they thought of conducting a survey on the topic “conducting a special operation in Karabakh.” Over 70% for military actions

        “Do you think that Azerbaijan should conduct new military operations against “illegal armed groups” in Karabakh?”:
        ◾️ 71,3% of respondents answered the question affirmatively
        ◾️ 24,1% of those who took part in the survey took the opposite position and said that they did not want new military action.
        ◾️ 4,6% of respondents found it difficult to answer this question.

        The survey was conducted by the Center for Social Research.
        Data collection for the current survey took place from September 8 to 11, 2023. The surveys were conducted in the form of a telephone interview and involved 390 respondents over 18 years of age.

        An era of peace - they said...
      31. -1
        15 September 2023 12: 51
        Azerbaijani resources write that an exhibition dedicated to Uzun Hasan, as the alleged founder of the Azerbaijani state of Ak-Koyunlu, will open in the Heydar Aliyev Center in Baku.

        Rewriting history and attempts to introduce myths about the “ancient Azerbaijani nation” are part of the modern policy of the authorities in Azerbaijan, which satisfies the sentiments of the nationalist layer of society.

        But no one goes into detail that the Ak-Koyunlu state is a confederation of Turkoman tribes, the main one of which was Bayandur. Their modern descendants are the Turkmens.

        And at the beginning of the 16th century, Ak-Koyunlu ceased to exist, as it was conquered by the Safavids. And the lands on which Azerbaijan is now located were already part of Qajar Iran until 1828, when the Russian Empire won the war.

        That is, the attempt to present Ak-Koyunlu and Uzun Hasan as the ancestors of modern Azerbaijanis is a common manipulation of facts. Especially against the backdrop of the fact that the current form of Azerbaijan appeared only in 1918 - more than 400 years after the end of the existence of Ak-Koyunlu.

        But the situation itself is not new: this kind of rewriting of history is a characteristic feature of Turkic nationalism. Only recently we wrote about Turkish historical mythology - none of the modern residents will delve into the nuances, but the authorities take advantage of this and increase the importance of the nation..
      32. 0
        15 September 2023 12: 58
      33. -1
        15 September 2023 12: 59
        There are two interests in the escalation in Transcaucasia - the USA and Great Britain: Alexey Leonkov

        Russian military expert Alexey Leonkov @apleonkov commented to Alpha News on the escalation of tension on the border of Armenia and Artsakh with Azerbaijan.

        “The situation around Armenia and Artsakh is developing in a difficult way. It is clear that there is a certain tension and escalation, and here everything does not depend on the position of Azerbaijan, because everyone understands that its position is based on how those who are trying to manage the escalation will look at it in Transcaucasia.

        There are two such interested parties - the USA and Great Britain, who are now suffering a clear defeat in the (Northern Military District) and want to create a new “Second Front” in Transcaucasia.

        What is happening in Armenia is a clear sign of this. Those. any provocation can become a Casus belli, but it is clear that the “face” command will be given only when it is considered necessary. Those. Azerbaijan will only be able to go and create something there - a conflict or shelling, when this is agreed upon with those actors who are trying to oust Russia from Transcaucasia," Leonkov said.

        A military expert gave a forecast on the actions of official Moscow if Azerbaijan decides to invade Artsakh.

        "What will Russia do in this case? The peacekeepers in Stepanakert - we need to remember our peacekeepers in South Ossetia. When hostilities began against the Ossetians, that same “War of the Three Eights” (08.08.2008), Russia sent in troops not only to protect its peacekeepers, but also in order to save the local population from genocide. That is, it is quite possible to repeat the same scenario in Artsakh,” Leonkov believes.

        "I think that Russia is now working through two scenarios. The first is to prevent this escalation. The second is how it will act taking into account what happened during the 44-day war. And I think that this scenario will be different from that what happened in 2020,” summed up Alexey Leonkov.
        @alphanewsam
      34. -1
        15 September 2023 13: 09
        State Duma deputy Konstantin Zatulin called for unblocking the Lachin corridor

        To avoid war in Transcaucasia, it is necessary to unblock the Lachin corridor, this was the opinion shared by the first deputy chairman of the Committee on CIS Affairs, Konstantin Zatulin. He called the Kremlin’s statement about “analysis and monitoring of the situation” after Armenia’s refusal to conduct CSTO exercises with Russia “very weak.” Zatulin noted that Moscow should act more decisively in this matter, since the region “stands on the verge of a new war.”
        “I don’t see the point in non-interference in the internal affairs of Armenia, which was observed previously. Due to the fear of disrupting the status quo after the 2020 war, we are now on the verge of a new war. I believe that the Lachin corridor should be unblocked. There is no longer a question of which side we support, we stand for justice,” Zatulin said.
        The deputy recalled that Russia has taken on the peacekeeping mission.
        “Without special status, I don’t believe in guarantees for the population, and Azerbaijan is not going to give it, because it is important for them to cleanse this territory and either expel or assimilate the Armenian population. Does this coincide with our interests? I’m sure no, which means some action needs to be taken,” he added.

        Stay in touch.
      35. -1
        15 September 2023 13: 12
        Baku’s position is absolutely hypocritical and cannibalistic - Alexey Anpilogov

        Russian political scientist Alexey Anpilogov commented on the position of Azerbaijan, which is delaying the humanitarian cargo of the Russian International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Artsakh.

        “Azerbaijan is now playing a shameful double game, and, on the one hand, statements are almost at the level of presidential aide Hikmet Hajiyev, who stated that an allegedly agreement in principle had been reached on the simultaneous unblocking of the Lachin corridor and the road to Agdam, but at the same time accused Artsakh authorities are that it is the Artsakh side that refuses this kind of agreement. It’s the same as extending a stick to a drowning person, but at the moment when he reaches out for this stick, he immediately pulls it back and says that it is himself doesn't want to be saved.

        We all understand perfectly well that the humanitarian crisis has been developing in Artsakh for months, and this is the position of official Baku, that the drowning person himself does not want to be saved, it is, of course, absolutely hypocritical and cannibalistic,” Anpilogov said.

        The expert notes that the goodwill of the Armenian side was not perceived by the Azerbaijani side as a step towards a constructive solution to the situation.
        “At the same time, it is worth understanding that the Russian cargo that was supposed to be sent along the Agdam-Askeran road in the direction of Stepanakert is the cargo of the Russian Red Cross, i.e. it is an absolutely humanitarian cargo that is designed to save the unbearable situation that has developed on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. Moreover, the Armenian side agreed that this cargo should follow the road through Agdam, which is perceived as a certain concession to the Azerbaijani side. But this concession was not accepted as an act of goodwill, but rather was regarded as an act of weakness. And therefore, Baku now, verbally recognizing both the humanitarian crisis and the importance of unblocking transport corridors, continues the blockade of Artsakh and considers the humanitarian crisis as a lever of pressure on Stepanakert and partly on Yerevan in order to close the issue of Armenian Artsakh in the wording that Baku needs. there is complete subordination of the Armenian de facto autonomy to the interests of official Baku,” the political scientist believes.

        According to Alexey Anpilogov, all actions of official Baku are nothing more than an attempt to influence Artsakh in order to stop the desire of the local population for independence.
        “The most likely is the continuation of such a policy of extending and pulling a lifeline in order to keep the humanitarian crisis in Artsakh completely unresolved, but on the other hand, not to allow the presence of international observers, any resonance in relation to the fate of the Artsakh Armenians, i.e. it is possible at some stage, now cargo will again be allowed through, after which the corridors will again be blocked. And this is the policy - not to let it drown on the one hand, and on the other to keep Artsakh on a starvation diet - this will be the position of Baku, which, in its opinion, should pacify any attempts to autonomize the Armenian population of Artsakh,” concluded Anpilogov.

        Stay in touch.
      36. -1
        15 September 2023 15: 02
        Artsakh is the main obstacle on Azerbaijan’s path to NATO, Russian political scientist Fyodor Voitolovsky said during the ACSI round table in Yerevan.

        And this is against the backdrop of the fact that the Alliance is actively trying to integrate the countries of the South Caucasus, in particular Georgia and Azerbaijan. While remaining loyal to the United States, Turkey has complete carte blanche for the closest possible cooperation with Azerbaijan, with the goal of seeing it as part of NATO in the future. To do this, Baku needs to resolve territorial disputes with Armenia, and if they are resolved in favor of Azerbaijan, this will open the opportunity for deeper integration of the country into the Alliance.

        Stay in touch.
      37. -1
        16 September 2023 23: 43
        Aram Gabrelyanov:

        If you think carefully, Armenia and Artsakh have always been in world history a battlefield not for Turks and Armenians, not for Azerbaijanis and Armenians. Forever, as long as the world exists, Armenia and Artsakh are the battlefield of two empires - Russia and Britain. The Russian tsars knew and understood this very well, and any Russian authorities knew this very well. The most famous English intelligence officer and historian, Lawrence of Arabia, stated back in the thirties of the twentieth century that all Armenians on earth should be destroyed. This is not because he is so bloodthirsty, but because Christian Armenia was a bone in the throat of Great Britain. A bone that does not and will not allow them to destroy great Russia.
        All these Erdogans, Aliyevs, Pashinyans are proxies of Great Britain. And mark my words, the British, through Erdogan, Aliyev and Pashinyan, will seize Artsakh and Armenia, this will not only be the death of the Armenians as a nation, but also the beginning of the end of the Russian Empire.
    2. -15
      11 September 2023 06: 31
      Armenia is Orthodox and the Arzebaijanis are Muslim, they will slaughter the Armenians at the start of the war
      Is the USA an Orthodox country? There are Catholics there. They don't give a damn about Armenians
      Armenia is part of the Orthodox world and they are poking themselves into another world that will throw them out and destroy them
      An example is Ukraine, where did the USA and NATO go? What happened to them, the number of corpses is already approaching 500 thousand and how many people left the country?
      Will Crimea be part of Ukraine? Do you believe in this, there aren’t even any Ukrainians there. At the same time, Donbass, residents come to Russia from Ukraine and they already speak badly about Ukrainians even though they lived in their own country.
      It’s not even about Russia, the people who live there are against Ukraine. And they think someone is waiting there for their liberators. Since 2014 they have said that this is not yours. Zelensky doesn't hear. From the Ukrainian side, where they go, there is simply no one waiting for them.
      It was not Russia that started the war, but the Maidan that led to the civil war
      If Maiden starts in Armenia, there will also be a civil war. They probably filmed someone there now so that lawlessness doesn’t start
      Pashinyan has already fed up people.
      1. +38
        11 September 2023 07: 04
        Armenia Orthodox

        Why write nonsense? Armenia has never been Orthodox. The Armenian-Gregorian Church professes Monophysitism.
        1. +26
          11 September 2023 07: 09
          And the USA is far from being a Catholic country.
          1. +6
            11 September 2023 10: 27
            The USA only believes in the dollar and 10 AUG, there is no more faith
        2. +1
          11 September 2023 08: 30
          Quote: Richard
          Why write nonsense? Armenia has never been Orthodox. The Armenian-Gregorian Church professes Monophysitism.

          The Armenian Apostolic Church belongs to the group of Ancient Eastern Orthodox churches. It originated from Byzantium, like the Russian Orthodox Church.
          1. +26
            11 September 2023 08: 38
            Quote: Stas157
            It came from Byzantium, like the Russian Orthodox Church

            It happened and went away. After the Council of Chalcedon in 451, this is a different church that has nothing to do with Orthodoxy...
            1. +4
              11 September 2023 09: 24
              Quote: Luminman
              this is a different church

              I wouldn’t be able to tell them apart at all (with our Orthodox Christians) when ingested and externally! The ancient Gregorian churches are very beautiful. I judge as not a religious person. Perhaps the very devout have their own dogmatic view of these churches.
              1. 0
                11 September 2023 22: 22
                More importantly, the ROC has its own dogmatic point of view.
          2. +3
            11 September 2023 10: 29
            Quote: Stas157
            It originated from Byzantium, like the Russian Orthodox Church.

            They converted to Christianity before the Council of Nicaea
            1. +7
              11 September 2023 11: 56
              Quote: Krasnodar
              They converted to Christianity before the Council of Nicaea

              They were excommunicated from the Church at the 1st Ecumenical Council, like all followers of Arius - they were given anathema. This is how they live as cursed, they bear the curse on themselves and lie that they are “Christians”. Followers of the Christian, and especially the Orthodox egregor, should realize this with particular clarity.
              Not Christians. And even non-pagans are anathema.
              That's why the mentality is SUCH.

              Therefore, expel them from the CSTO and allow Azerbaijan to resolve its legitimate demands by armed means.
              And cede/return Armenia to Iran. As heir to Persia.
              Refugees should not be accepted into the Russian Federation. All Armenians on the territory of the Russian Federation should be checked for legality of stay. Everyone who managed to acquire Russian citizenship is checked for the LEGALITY of obtaining citizenship. And everyone is checked for reliability.
              With subsequent deportation.
              1. +3
                11 September 2023 18: 53
                Quote: bayard
                And everyone is checked for reliability.
                With subsequent deportation.

                Disgusting post
                Should SVO participants of Armenian nationality also be deported?
                After all, they were recognized as heretics several years before the baptism of Rus'...
                1. +3
                  12 September 2023 00: 00
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Should SVO participants of Armenian nationality also be deported?

                  Do you doubt that they will pass the test?
                  Or maybe it will remind you how not so long ago the Armenian bastards stoned to death Wagner fighters who were resting after Bakhmut? All nationalities are fighting in Donbass, because they have lived here for a long time. We are talking about traitors and enemies. Example? Let's watch Pashinyan and his entire Armenia. Russia is at war, and we do not need traitors, potential or actual enemies, ethnic crime and sources of corruption.
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  After all, they were recognized as heretics several years before the baptism of Rus'...

                  Over several centuries, according to official history. Let's look at when the Council of Nicaea took place, and when Vladimir baptized the people of Kiev.
                  The story about the anathema of the Armenian “church” is given in order to make it clear that when calling themselves Christians, the Armenians are LYING. Calling yourself fool "Orthodox" - Armenians LYE. By calling their religious, mystical or commercial organization a “church,” Armenians are lying. Some may be out of ignorance, because there are definitely no pious people there, so they repeat gibberish so that they are accepted as “their own”. Just like a virus, deceiving the immune system of a cell, penetrates inside it and creates bedlam there... this is how they act.
                  Quote from: linux28
                  just devilry.

                  This is what she is. For any Evil begins with deception.
                  Quote from: linux28
                  They are not Arians at all

                  Lies and illiteracy, ignorance of the history of the Ecumenical Councils, at which... to put it simply... the Christian Constitution was written. Canons - a set of prohibitions and regulations.
                  Quote from: linux28
                  But about the egregor, this is obviously not a heresy, but simply demonic.

                  What do you know about egregors?
                  What does the prosphora symbolize?
                  What do the clergymen do with her at the proskomedia?
                  Who do they call her, what words do they say?
                  And how does this differ from manipulating a “sorcerer’s doll” made of... rags, wood, wax, clay or dough? Including manipulation and spoken spells?
                  Quote from: linux28
                  just devilry.

                  Just two sides of the same coin. Vampirism on an industrial scale.
                  1. +2
                    12 September 2023 04: 39
                    Quote: bayard
                    All nationalities are fighting in Donbass, because they have lived here for a long time

                    And they are fighting, among other things, against national segregation and the imposition of nationalist standards that are alien to them, right?
                    1. 0
                      20 September 2023 08: 48
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      And they are fighting, among other things, against national segregation and the imposition of nationalist standards that are alien to them, right?

                      I do not impose (and Russia does not impose) my behavioral narratives on the Armenians in Armenia. I have my own rules and behavior, I don’t corrupt its authorities, I don’t saturate it with migrants from Russia, I don’t demand that Armenia fight for Russia and INSTEAD of Russia, I don’t saturate its administration, press and media with Russian migrants.
                      And therefore, I will not tolerate disloyal and directly hostile carriers of a mentality that is alien and hostile to us on Russian territory. Mentality of a parasite and a traitor.
                      Especially during the War, when the very existence of our State and the survival of the Russian People is at stake.
                      Those who demanded from Russia that it “come and fight with Azerbaijan” for them, at a time when not a single one of the millions of troops in the Russian Federation volunteered to go to Karabakh to save their compatriots. And since they do not intend to fight for their half-bloods and their Motherland, then HOW will they fight for Russia??
                      And since they don’t intend to fight for it, then why does my Motherland need such migrants, even with a Russian passport?
                      Suitcase, station, Yerevan.
                      And now the Azerbaijani army has once again become the Scourge of God for these parasites and traitors. And she does this rightfully, according to the Law and in fairness.
                      Because there is not even a drop of truth behind the Armenians.
                      Behind the Armenians of Armenia and the disloyal majority of the diaspora in the Russian Federation.
                      Therefore, checking the passport regime, checking the legality of obtaining citizenship and mandatory checking for loyalty.
                      Anyone who does not pass these checks is deported.

                      Ну request or prove to everyone that you are not like that. Prove it with your actions.
              2. +1
                11 September 2023 22: 24
                They are not Arians at all. But about egregor, this is obvious, not just heresy, but simply demonism.
        3. +10
          11 September 2023 08: 53
          Gregorianism - Monophysitism is formally considered a heresy. In the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, I personally observed the canvas tent of the Gregorian Church right next to the Sepulcher, while Orthodox and Catholics have their Limits in the church! We rode in on a crooked goat!
          1. +4
            11 September 2023 09: 36
            No need to la-la! Maybe you were NEAR the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and saw some kind of tent, but obviously you didn’t get inside. I personally saw how the Greeks and Armenians jostled and they have been doing this for one and a half thousand years.
          2. +7
            11 September 2023 10: 31
            Quote: Xenofont
            In the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, I personally observed the canvas tent of the Gregorian Church right next to the Sepulcher

            These are Egyptian Copts
            1. +5
              11 September 2023 11: 59
              Quote: Krasnodar
              These are Egyptian Copts

              The Copts shout loudly every Holy Saturday, reminding the Armenians how the Turks fed them crap for deceiving them.
              And the Armenians are anathemas, excommunicated from the church for the Arian Heresy... which is their Monophysitism.
              1. +3
                11 September 2023 18: 54
                Quote: bayard
                Copts shout loudly every Holy Saturday

                I don’t remember anything... I’ve been there dozens of times, including on Shabbat
                1. 0
                  12 September 2023 03: 23
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  I don’t remember anything... I’ve been there dozens of times, including on Shabbat

                  On Holy Saturday before Easter (Orthodox). When the Patriarch of Jerusalem receives the Holy Fire. Just before this, when the pilgrims were just gathering, the Copts entered in a noisy crowd and began... jumping, screaming, bullying the Armenians, shouting and singing about how the Turks fed them crap.
                  Well, look at the broadcasts of these actions, there are commentators talking about it - what exactly is happening.
                  1. 0
                    12 September 2023 04: 41
                    Quote: bayard
                    jump, scream, bully the Armenians, shouting and singing about how the Turks fed them crap.
                    Well, watch the broadcasts of these actions,

                    I only remember fights between Armenians and Greeks
                    Copts are usually not seen or heard
                    1. -1
                      12 September 2023 12: 47
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      I only remember fights between Armenians and Greeks

                      The “darlings” scold - they just amuse themselves.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Copts are usually not seen or heard

                      They have a ritual when the whole group enters the temple, makes noise, rattles some rattles, dances (sometimes sitting on each other’s shoulders), and when they see the Armenians, they begin a “ritual of exposure.” But then they calm down and everything goes on as usual. I have seen this on tapes for many years, read it, and talked to eyewitnesses.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Copts are usually not seen or heard

                      Maybe in recent years everything has somehow quieted down, I haven’t been following it at all in recent years. And so a friend told me, who also visited there often, in Tsakhal he rose to the rank of corporal, then returned as a trainer of heavyweight boxers.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      fights between Armenians and Greeks

                      lol Wild people...
              2. 0
                11 September 2023 22: 26
                Both Copts and Armenians are pre-Chalcedonian Orthodox. They have plenty of their own, but there is just one faith.
                1. 0
                  12 September 2023 03: 26
                  Without Knowledge, faith is Blind.
                  Quote from: linux28
                  faith is just one thing.

                  request Someone believes in the “Spaghetti Monster”, someone believes in a cheating wife, someone in a circus magician... It’s easy to believe in anything if you yourself are happy to be deceived.
                  1. 0
                    13 September 2023 01: 00
                    This does not negate the fact that Copts and Armenians are co-religionists.
                    1. 0
                      13 September 2023 01: 22
                      Yes, at least brothers of the same blood. As long as they don't let each other bleed.
            2. 0
              11 September 2023 12: 23
              Not Copts, the local guide clearly formulated it, and the robes and headdress in the form of a cartridge case do not give the right to doubt.
              1. +1
                11 September 2023 18: 56
                Quote: Xenofont
                Not Copts, the local guide clearly formulated it, and the robes and headdress in the form of a cartridge case do not give the right to doubt.

                I served in those places for three years and took tourists there, accompanied by guides.
                Well, I won’t argue, maybe I didn’t get into it
                1. +2
                  11 September 2023 21: 49
                  I was there 7-10 years ago, perhaps the temporary hut was there until the next showdown. The tent stood on the opposite side of the entrance to the Tomb. It's always twilight there and you can't pay attention without guidance.
                  1. +1
                    12 September 2023 04: 42
                    Quote: Xenofont
                    The tent stood on the opposite side of the entrance to the Tomb.

                    Close to the coffin?
                    1. +1
                      12 September 2023 08: 42
                      Yes exactly! This surprised me. But all this demonstrates the existence of problems between confessions in key religious centers and ecumenism cannot prevail.
        4. +2
          11 September 2023 13: 05
          Why write nonsense?

          Indeed, why write nonsense that
          Armenia has never been Orthodox

          It’s just that before writing, it’s worth reading at least the same Bolotov in order to get an idea about the non-Chalcedonian churches.
          Although, on the other hand, ignorance is a modern trend on the VO website.
        5. -2
          11 September 2023 23: 18
          Quote: Richard
          Armenia Orthodox

          Why write nonsense? Armenia has never been Orthodox. The Armenian-Gregorian Church professes Monophysitism.

          Yes, but at the same time, it is canonically much closer to Orthodoxy than to Catholicism, or even more so to Protestants.
          1. 0
            11 September 2023 23: 58
            You clearly meant "dogmatically" and not "canonically". And you are wrong about Catholics. Well, Protestants are different...
      2. +6
        11 September 2023 08: 17
        Quote from Alexwar
        Armenia is Orthodox and the Arzebaijanis are Muslim, they will slaughter the Armenians at the start of the war
        Is the USA an Orthodox country? There are Catholics there. They don't give a damn about Armenians
        Armenia is part of the Orthodox world and they

        There is no “Orthodox world”. There is a world of capitalism.
        But it can be different. The USA doesn't care about anyone. They know their benefits and know how to achieve their own.

        Russia doesn't care about anyone. For the real level of social relations in Russia is the 17th century. That is why the Russian people allowed the partition of their own country in 1991.

        He doesn’t care what to collect land, what to distribute land. What to nationalize, what to privatize. As the Tsar and the boyars order, we will do so.
      3. 0
        11 September 2023 09: 49
        So what if they are Orthodox?! They poke their noses into NATO - they get the most out of the Muslims and Mustafas. No help from the word "at all"
      4. +2
        11 September 2023 10: 32
        At the same time, Donbass, residents come to Russia from Ukraine and they already speak badly about Ukrainians even though they lived in their own country.

        Naturally they say that those who were against went to western/central Ukraine or Europe.
      5. +4
        11 September 2023 11: 34
        In the USA, originally Protestants, but now there is a religious mess there with these branches and sects.
    3. +24
      11 September 2023 07: 10
      Quote: avia12005
      It is difficult to say which of the post-Soviet republics Russia has not merged, excluding Belarus, over the past 30 years. The understanding of “independence” in them began to be understood only as “independence from Russia itself” with a touch of Russophobia, sometimes more, sometimes less.

      The Armenians themselves did not recognize Karabakh, but that means Russia is leaking it? Or it turns out that Russia surrendered Nagorno-Karabakh, not recognized by Armenia. But Russia cannot give Karabakh to Azerbaijan, because firstly, it does not belong to Russia, and secondly, Karabakh, according to international law, already belongs to Azerbaijan. Let me remind you that at the collapse of the USSR, the ArSSR was 98% Armenian. And in general they have increased in number, including in the Krasnodar Territory. The old Armenian princely families and other ancient Armenian families are examples of Russophobia and pure cave Nazism. There is an option to feed the Armenians to Azerbaijan and Turkey. And in no way get involved in other people's squabbles.
      1. +16
        11 September 2023 07: 44
        Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
        Old Armenian princely families

        There are no princes there - only nomads, whom Russia gathered by the middle of the XNUMXth century in the territory that was once called Armenia.

        Our envoy, A.S. Griboyedov, was involved in the resettlement of Armenians from Persia, to whom a monument was erected in Yerevan. But thankful the Armenians, in a frenzy of Russophobia and independence, doused him with paint...
        1. +4
          11 September 2023 21: 33
          A. Griboedov himself had a specific attitude towards the Armenians:
          “What vile scum these Armenians are! None of them even wanted to know me, and yet they always whisper in my ear that we are their future (in spe) patrons. Are protégés good? They sell us to the same Persians who are ready to crucify them and cook them in any sauce; Just recently they burned two people in Nakhichevan...”
          Source: Letter to S.I. Mazarovich, September 11-13, 1819 from A.S. Griboyedov
          http://www.griboedov.net/pisma/018.shtmlhttp://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Persien/XIX/1800-1820/Griboedov_new_1818-23/frametext.htmВ
      2. +6
        11 September 2023 09: 33
        In a word, Pashenyan has a rich choice, especially after attacks towards Russia or Mamed will be cut out or Iran will save him. I have experience living near Iran. After these exercises with the amers, I don’t care about them. They betrayed and okay, first they merged their own people in Artsakh, now they will merge Armenia. So I think the tanks ahead in Yerevan will be Azerbaijani or Iranian.
      3. -1
        11 September 2023 10: 28
        Azerbaijan is moving troops, perhaps feeding has already begun
      4. +3
        11 September 2023 12: 24
        Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
        . There is an option to feed the Armenians to Azerbaijan and Turkey. And in no way get involved in other people's squabbles.

        I fully support you! There will be One Azerbaijan and beauty! What is the use of Russia from Armenia? None! Just problems.. Enough of the Soviet mouse brotherhood, only the interests of Russia and nothing more.. Withdraw the peacekeeping contingent, withdraw the base, shut down arms supplies to Armenia, evict a couple of million Armenians from Russia (there’s a reason for it) and don’t forget Rita from Adler..
    4. +1
      11 September 2023 09: 31
      Yuri, I agree. EBN’s phrase “Take as much as you can” will resonate with the Russian Federation for a long time.
      And today the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is filled with, I’m not afraid of this word, amateurs - majors. Drawing red lines and expressing concern.
      And the Russian Foreign Ministry made a significant “contribution” to the fact that Sweden is in NATO today.
      As for Armenia, by the way, Kazakhstan, maybe Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Gone are the days of “sitting” on two chairs.
      Yes, a neighbor can be an enemy. But there is no need to make an enemy out of a neighbor.
      And Armenia will pay for membership with Armenia itself.
      1. +9
        11 September 2023 09: 55
        “The EBN phrase “Take as much as you can” will resonate with the Russian Federation for a long time.”
        This phrase does not refer to the former republics of the USSR, but to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
        1. +5
          11 September 2023 15: 44
          Quote from AdAstra
          This phrase does not refer to the former republics of the USSR, but to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

          The boy took his word back. He didn’t like how Dudayev jacked up global prices for oil transit. Putin probably didn’t like it either. Let's ride a rake. And the rake hits not Putin, but our Vanka-Sanka.
      2. 0
        11 September 2023 11: 30
        Quote: knn54

        And the Russian Foreign Ministry made a significant “contribution” to the fact that Sweden is in NATO today.

        How interesting is this? The contribution was made by Russian policy, not by a separate foreign ministry
    5. -3
      11 September 2023 10: 24
      In principle, everything is clear. Russia did not protect Armenia, they rushed to the states, everything is logical.
      1. +1
        11 September 2023 21: 07
        Quote: Clever man
        In principle, everything is clear. Russia did not protect Armenia, they rushed to the states, everything is logical.
        1) A couple of days before the latest mess in Karabakh there was a report from Armenia. There they raised the slogan “Russians, get out,” although we didn’t do anything nasty to the Armenians, only good things. It was a shame. Why protect them? They themselves refused.
        2) Who touched Armenia? Even the Armenians did not recognize Karabakh, and there were no battles in Armenia.
    6. -1
      11 September 2023 10: 31
      If we screw up Armenia, it won’t be so scary. There will be a catastrophe when Kazakhstan joins NATO; it will be checkmate. Look at the length of the border with Kazakhstan
      1. -1
        11 September 2023 12: 21
        Hmm, maybe they should start to behave in such a way that the length of the borders would concern not Russia, but those states that border Russia?
        1. +6
          11 September 2023 15: 54
          Quote: Village I ......
          Hmm, maybe they should start to behave in such a way that the length of the borders would concern not Russia, but those states that border Russia?

          Yes, yes, let Kazakhstan erect barricades...
          1. +1
            11 September 2023 17: 36
            “Yes, yes, let Kazakhstan erect barricades...” -
            Hey, it's already happened. And in tsarist times, and during the civil war, and even more recently......
            Look at Tokayev's face......how comfortable he is sitting on two chairs. To make it softer for him to sit, the chairs need to be covered with a thick padding made from banknotes. It's written right there on the face.
          2. +7
            11 September 2023 22: 29
            They have China instead of a barricade. Who won't understand if we go there. And China doesn’t even need to do anything now to stop us. Rather, on the contrary, it is enough not to do it. Not trading for a couple of months is enough.
      2. -1
        12 September 2023 02: 07
        Kazakhstan will be next. soon . Much depends on what status we will emerge from this war. will choose between the West and the Chinese
    7. +7
      11 September 2023 10: 34
      Quote: avia12005
      And this means major conflicts on the borders of the Russian Federation, which are already occurring.

      Not only at the borders. Inside, Russia is also waiting for "fun" times. This happens when, with a huge pile of internal critical problems, someone tries to “change the world order” on a global scale. Now Türkiye will put pressure on Armenia, and then “Great Turan” will continue to be implemented. Fortunately, there are enough Turkic peoples in the Russian Federation, and they have the opportunity to compare the successes of Turkey and the “successes” of Russia. And who knows whose successes will attract Tatars, Bashkirs, Tuvans, Yakuts? There is no need to talk about the Azerbaijanis living in Russia - they look at Turkey as their homeland (two countries, one people). Leaders in the Russian Federation do not know how to use effective "soft power". Writing off debt doesn't help. And other ways do not have enough desire or brains.
      And when another failure of diplomacy occurs near the Russian Federation, you can always blame someone for it, but not Russia. They say it’s their own fault, “their grenades are of the wrong system.”
    8. +7
      11 September 2023 12: 19
      It’s hard to say which of the post-Soviet republics Russia has not merged, with the exception of Belarus, over the past 30 years.
      It’s strange that you didn’t notice that the Russian Federation “leaked” itself. Capitalism is like that, even national interests do not have the same priority as financial ones. If the oligarchs of the Russian Federation have nothing to defend on the territory of Armenia, then the Russian Federation will not defend the territory of Armenia. And so it is in all countries, except for a couple or three that are guided by national interests, and not just money. Doesn't the undestroyed logistics of country 404 remind you of anything?
    9. +5
      11 September 2023 15: 07
      Quote: avia12005
      It is difficult to say which of the post-Soviet republics Russia has not merged, excluding Belarus, over the past 30 years.

      That is, Russia’s refusal to shed the blood of its soldiers for Karabakh, which is never recognized by Armenia, is a waste?
      Armenia itself merged Karabakh, refusing to recognize it. And if there is no recognition, there is no CSTO.
      And yes, Russia has already stood up for Armenia once - in 2016. What did we get? Russians are occupiers, but they must fight for us. ©
    10. +4
      11 September 2023 15: 32
      Quote: avia12005
      It is difficult to say which of the post-Soviet republics Russia has not merged, excluding Belarus,

      Heh, I remember very well the series on NTV in 2008, “The Last Dictator of Europe.” There they called Father Lukashenko a schizo, if sclerosis doesn’t confuse me.
    11. +4
      11 September 2023 21: 39
      Russia, unfortunately, has been wasting away for the last 30 years, in some respects because three shitheads in 1991 simply abandoned the rest of the republics, because no one wanted the collapse of the USSR except these ghouls. All the republics were faced with the fact that they are independent and do what you want, and they did.
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  2. +7
    11 September 2023 05: 58
    “To start correctly is to do half the job.” Where do we start? Whatever one may say, this is 1991. When the controllability of events was completely lost. We have turned into observers. What will happen next is unknown. First Ukraine, now Armenia, who is next?
  3. +1
    11 September 2023 06: 08
    Getting involved with NATO means destroying your own people. There, when the United States came, there was always only death of people.
    The alliance is complete control. Armenia thinks that NATO will supply weapons, only these weapons are obtained on credit
    Who has benefited from democracy? Democracy is kind of like freedom. Crimea chose Russia because only 15% of Ukrainians there have always been Russian. And probably after the start of hostilities most of them left
    Is Arzebaijan practically not a NATO member? NATO against NATO? They don't care who wins. Join NATO without giving a damn about his people in my opinion
    Instead of joining NATO, Armenia should have taken care of its own army. And how NATO trains the Ukrainian army, we saw that they have up to 1000 corpses every day. The question is: is Armenia ready to lose so many people? So will there be no more Armenians after the war?
    Russia will withdraw its troops and then it will puff a little and rush away, but NATO no longer has any shells except cluster ones
    1. +6
      11 September 2023 06: 48
      Quote from Alexwar
      Getting involved with NATO means destroying your own people. There, when the United States came, there was always only death of people.
      The alliance is complete control. Armenia thinks that NATO will supply weapons, only these weapons are obtained on credit
      Who has benefited from democracy? Democracy is kind of like freedom. Crimea chose Russia because only 15% of Ukrainians there have always been Russian. And probably after the start of hostilities most of them left
      Is Arzebaijan practically not a NATO member? NATO against NATO? They don't care who wins. Join NATO without giving a damn about his people in my opinion
      Instead of joining NATO, Armenia should have taken care of its own army. And how NATO trains the Ukrainian army, we saw that they have up to 1000 corpses every day. The question is: is Armenia ready to lose so many people? So will there be no more Armenians after the war?
      Russia will withdraw its troops and then it will puff a little and rush away, but NATO no longer has any shells except cluster ones

      A small correction - yes, some Ukrainians left Crimea, but many military personnel joined the Russian army, and many remained and it is possible that they are collaborating with the Ukrainian Army
  4. +8
    11 September 2023 06: 10
    Explain what the problem is? Neither Azerbaijan, nor Russia, nor Armenia itself recognize Karabakh as an independent Armenian state, everyone talks about recognizing each other’s territorial integrity. Interesting situation. Karabakh does not want to be part of Azerbaijan, and Armenia does not want to see Karabakh as part of Armenia. And if Armenia is accepted into NATO, will the West cross another red line?
    1. +4
      11 September 2023 08: 59
      Quote: parusnik
      Explain what the problem is? Neither Azerbaijan, nor Russia, nor Armenia itself recognize Karabakh as an independent Armenian state, everyone talks about recognizing each other’s territorial integrity. Interesting situation. Karabakh does not want to be part of Azerbaijan, and Armenia does not want to see Karabakh as part of Armenia. And if Armenia is accepted into NATO, will the West cross another red line?

      Azerbaijan now demands not only Karabakh, but also a revision of the border, as well as a corridor to Nakhichevan. The powers of the CSTO should begin in this very place, but since this organization has withdrawn itself from the conflict, then Armenia has nothing to do there. Well, the military base in Gyumri immediately comes into question
  5. +20
    11 September 2023 06: 13
    In the meantime, let's see how Mr. Pashinyan puts Karabakh, relations with Russia and understanding of his people on the scales with NATO membership.

    So, what is next? Well, we’ll see how Mr. Pashinyan throws it all on the scales, so what?
    Today, in the post-Soviet space, a galaxy of states (former Soviet republics) has formed that are unable to feed themselves through their own production, and the leaders of these countries solve the problems of their countries either by blackmailing Russia with an alliance with the West, or by claiming gratuitous sponsorship from the same Russia.
    As for Russia itself, here too few people care about the interests of the people (Russians in particular). Here laws are issued that protect dogs and their owners and ignore the rights of “bitten” (bitten to death) people... Here slave labor is used without decent pay to the point of exhaustion, until death, and this is presented as some kind of benefit... Here there is credit bondage of commercial speculators from the banking system for ordinary citizens coexists with preferential living conditions for embezzlers, millionaires and ordinary Russian oligarchs... A former gynecologist works here as the Minister of Health (it’s good that he is not a proctologist) and that is why all insurance medicine is covered with something that sometimes gets into the eye, and there are fewer specialists and their services are becoming more expensive (which is why poor parents raise money for the treatment of their sick children via SMS)... Here foreign policy has brought the country to the point where we are forced to choose between Belarus and China, paying visits to wherever waving the Russian flag in the hope of getting free grain or some other products...Here some fight with the Nazis, while others trade with them, receiving their profit established by law and treaties...Here intelligence, literacy and conscience can lead to a prison cell, and mediocrity, idolatry, outright flattery and fawning - to the upper steps of the social ladder (state trough) and even to “heroism” (even if closed by decree)... Millions of people here do not have the opportunity to work (due to the lack of education under the EBN rule ) and see no other way out other than credit bondage...
    But the most interesting thing is that today Russian citizens have begun to be told that there is nothing shameful in the fact that (for a while and for the sake of some illusory illusions) one can renounce the attributes of Russian statehood and even sovereignty (legal rights to some then lands that others really need)...
    And here is some petty Pashinyan with his rights...
    Yes, to hell with him...
    1. +6
      11 September 2023 07: 04
      Quote: ROSS 42
      today the citizens of Russia began to be told that NO there is nothing shameful in the fact that (for a while and for the sake of some illusory illusions) you can abandon the attributes

      hi
    2. +8
      11 September 2023 08: 16
      Totally agree with you. Until we bring order to ourselves, no one will reach out to us (except for lovers of freebies), and supposedly “the Russian world, etc., etc. is a bluff that everyone understands, but continues to pretend that they believe.
    3. ANB
      +9
      11 September 2023 09: 54
      . A former gynecologist works here as the Minister of Health

      Why can’t a gynecologist be the Minister of Health?
      A very respected medical specialty.
      1. +3
        11 September 2023 13: 40
        Following the example of our “partners,” we need to make a gynecologist a minister in the Moscow Region. But seriously, a gynecologist in healthcare is better than, for example, a furniture maker.
      2. 0
        11 September 2023 17: 50
        Because the word “minister” gets in the way. To the question: “Where”? The gynecologist answers: It’s not there either, I looked.
  6. +12
    11 September 2023 06: 40
    The CSTO owes Russia nothing at all, everyone joined for the sake of their own interests. Even the same Tokayev, whose life was saved by Russia by transferring troops. They sit in the CSTO only to ask for help in case of internal unrest
  7. +14
    11 September 2023 06: 45
    Or maybe let them go into the arms of NATO? Yes, after some time there will be no Armenians left in Armenia at all. But this is their decision. Why save their country? So that the Armenians themselves will once again accuse us of all mortal sins? But there will be no people left, and perhaps there will be almost no one to voice their complaints. If we save, we are dissatisfied; if we don’t save, we are dissatisfied. And if there is no difference, then why bother and waste time and resources on them? And this applies not only to Armenia.
    1. +7
      11 September 2023 07: 29
      And where, in fact, will all the Armenians go after joining NATO? What will happen there?
      1. -1
        11 September 2023 09: 46
        And where, in fact, will all the Armenians go after joining NATO? What will happen there?

        Liberal politics will come.
        It will be like in Paris (Liberalism). The indigenous population in Paris is declining.
        1. +2
          11 September 2023 22: 31
          Russians are now migrants in Yerevan :-)
      2. +4
        11 September 2023 12: 26
        And where, in fact, will all the Armenians go after joining NATO? What will happen there?
        Azerbaijanis will sign up and that's it. And the "indigenous Azerbaijanis" will be more active in crushing the Armenians. How many times has this happened? Hundreds of times.
      3. +1
        11 September 2023 12: 58
        How will that happen!? There will be a general improvement of democracy. LGBT freedom will dawn. Gay pride parades will begin. They will create a division of Armenian gays. I don't care. Their cognac is good, but otherwise...
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 17: 46
          Their cognac is good, but otherwise...
          They won’t have good cognac, the “allies” will force them to bring production to “international standards” and that’s all. The cognac will run out, there will be a mud that will scare away all the cockroaches with the smell.
    2. +8
      11 September 2023 08: 50
      Yes, after some time there will be no Armenians left in Armenia at all.
      Do you think everyone will move to Russia?
    3. +2
      11 September 2023 11: 11
      - “Or maybe let them go into the arms of NATO? Yes, after some time there will be no Armenians left in Armenia at all. But this is their decision. Why save their country?”
      And what about Armenian cognac?! Let NATO members drink?!
  8. +8
    11 September 2023 07: 25
    3 million people live in Armenia (mostly old people), 10 million in Azerbaijan (mostly young people). Plus, in military-technical terms they are inferior. There is almost no chance of winning.
    According to various estimates, up to 2 million Armenians live in Russia, but in Artsakh in 2020. Somehow they weren’t eager to fight, more on the Internet and on TV.
    There is no need to spit in the direction of Russia, because there is no longer any place to expect sincere support.
    1. -3
      11 September 2023 07: 54
      Why then is Ukraine fighting with Russia if their population is 5 times smaller and they are inferior militarily.
    2. +3
      11 September 2023 18: 28
      Well, why don't you just give a damn? For example, I still remember the explosion in the metro, which was organized by Armenian extremist terrorists (that’s what they were called, I think). There was a lot of noise then, especially in Western news. They were then called “freedom fighters”, which means I didn’t give them freedom, although I didn’t even take the metro, due to living far from the capitals. None of the satraps were hurt, but the people were beaten.
  9. +8
    11 September 2023 07: 27
    From the very beginning, it was clear that Pashinyan was pro-Western, he did not hide it. Why should we even go there and make a tragedy out of it, let them kill each other there, what do we care? We have a gigantic border, we would like to hold on to our territories, there are few people and the population is declining, we will either one day not hold on to our lands, or we will already be quietly populated both far away and from within, but we keep sending our own people somewhere to fight, to separate them, they won’t stop our rulers. We are few, we must take care of everyone!
    1. +6
      11 September 2023 08: 30
      “But we keep sending our own people somewhere to fight, to separate us, but our rulers just won’t calm down.”
      Allies must be gained and retained not so much with the help of the army, but with the help of the economy. if we had an economy, and there would be more than one allies laughing
  10. +6
    11 September 2023 07: 37
    Armenia goes to NATO

    This requires the consent of all alliance members. Remember Turkey, which squeezes every juice out of Sweden, defending its interests. And if Turkey gives its consent to Armenia’s membership in NATO, it will do everything to make Armenia tame... wink
    1. 0
      11 September 2023 08: 28
      Quote: Luminman
      Armenia goes to NATO

      This requires the consent of all alliance members. Remember Turkey, which squeezes every juice out of Sweden, defending its interests. And if Turkey gives its consent to Armenia’s membership in NATO, it will do everything to make Armenia tame... wink

      So if they give up Karabakh, they will take Armenia into NATO along with Azerbaijan. Turkey will have a buffer towards Russia. Therefore, Türkiye will sign everything for Karabakh faster than a whistle
      1. +1
        11 September 2023 08: 32
        Quote: BlackMokona
        will take Armenia into NATO

        They will take it, but on Turkey’s terms... wink
  11. +5
    11 September 2023 08: 07
    It would probably be better for Russia to do what the Roman Emperor Hadrian did in his time - withdrew troops from Armenia. Somewhere there must be a limit to military capabilities. Armenia should think about whether everything will end in Karabakh, because appetite comes with eating.
    1. 0
      11 September 2023 08: 28
      Quote: Glock-17
      It would probably be better for Russia to do what the Roman Emperor Hadrian did in his time - withdrew troops from Armenia. Somewhere there must be a limit to military capabilities. Armenia should think about whether everything will end in Karabakh, because appetite comes with eating.

      So she started thinking, since the CSTO has withdrawn from the war, they want to get NATO troops
    2. 0
      11 September 2023 18: 52
      And grab Pashinyan in a bag, throw him out of the bag somewhere, in a deserted area, so that he doesn’t bite anyone, otherwise a Russian man might kill him out of resentment. Let him settle in, maybe he’ll set up some sort of den for himself.
  12. +1
    11 September 2023 08: 13
    Whoever writes that let them join NATO, well, they generally forget about Ukraine, that one of the conditions is not joining NATO. Well, of course, let everyone join NATO, we just need to sit and wait by the sea for weather. As always, armchair experts are “forward-thinking”
  13. +3
    11 September 2023 08: 31
    "What is the “Right of the Strong” and why is it so important in this context."
    I constantly say that all our problems are due to the fact that we have people in power who don’t even understand what they need to do.
    This is what caused all these problems in the Caucasus? That’s right, when Putin and Lavrov exchanged their loyal one for Pashinyan. And they didn’t even object, without a fight. How Kherson was surrendered. And Pashinyan is a protege of the United States. That's it, now we will dance to the tune of the USA! But no, there was still trade. “Trade in the Motherland” is the Kremlin’s favorite hobby.
    As long as Pashinyan is in power, nothing but problems will be created for Russia. Remember how Lavrov said: “There is no alternative to Minsk!” Therefore, they endured and wiped themselves off for 8 years. And then it turns out there is an alternative.
    1. +8
      11 September 2023 09: 02
      And then it turns out there is an alternative.
      “We were deceived!” (c) Is this what you mean? smile
  14. -4
    11 September 2023 08: 35
    According to the “Right of the Might,” ours entered Afghanistan and Ukraine.

    By rights of the foolish, I would say that, armed with the resources of “VralTV”, they made such a mess that one conflict finished off the USSR, another would turn the country into an eastern caliphate
    1. +2
      11 September 2023 12: 07
      And how did he “finish off” the USSR?
      In principle, it was quite sluggish, with minor losses.
      1. -6
        11 September 2023 12: 29
        And how did he “finish off” the USSR?

        in combination with catastrophes and natural disasters (Chernobyl, earthquake in Armenia, etc., etc.)
        1. +4
          11 September 2023 20: 33
          This didn't have any effect at all. Similar events, local wars and natural disasters occur constantly and everywhere. The states are standing. The Union was simply unique. And naturally, seven decades is not enough to rehabilitate a predator. The merchant's essence burst out as soon as the whip was removed, leaving only the carrot. Some people really wanted to become owners of factories, newspapers, and steamships. This is the reason for the collapse of the USSR. Empires cannot live without a whip.
  15. -6
    11 September 2023 08: 59
    I am for Armenia. She has the right to such actions, many will say what about us. And since at one time they surrendered Chechnya, in which they still have not regained influence, they missed the advantage of politics in Georgia. That says it all. Why do we need Syria and Iran? After all, at one time they sent us to three funny letters. Armenians never and where is our gratitude. In this context, I would like to add that in the event of a war with Azerbaijan, we have no trump cards at all. We are not capable of waging war with a more trained and prepared army. In a word, complete out.
    1. +2
      11 September 2023 22: 19
      Quote: koralevviktor
      Armenians never and where is our gratitude.

      When did Armenia support Russia with its armed forces or arms supplies, even in Syria, even in Ukraine?
  16. +12
    11 September 2023 09: 00
    Armenia goes to NATO
    Who doesn't go there? The Baltic states have come there, Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Central Asia are gathering, they are looking askance there. The North Military District does not let Ukraine in. What has been done on Russia’s part so that they don’t look in that direction? What is attractive about the CIS, the EAEU, the Union State of Russia and Belarus? What mutual interests do the republics of the former USSR have, and none at all, only personal ones. That’s what pulls them to the “left”.
    1. +3
      11 September 2023 10: 06
      It is much easier to turn on a printing press than to harvest crops, mine ore, or assemble a mechanism. We are in an obviously more losing situation.
      1. +5
        11 September 2023 14: 50
        Well, let's not go too far - they also do not sow fields with currency, and their factories do not print dollars.
        Alas, not everything in the West is a soap bubble, just as here not everything is the production of real things
  17. +2
    11 September 2023 09: 17
    Our authorities also want to let Armenia out from under their wing, just as they let Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the Baltic states go.
    Either stupid or traitors.
    1. -9
      11 September 2023 10: 04
      In order to at least keep such a complex country as Russia within its borders, you need to be an excellent leader, to improve something - an outstanding one. Think about it - big breakthroughs in the entire history of Russia / USSR were made by 4 people!!! What the country came to in 91, few could have sorted out, the 90s are about..... GDP is having a hard time raking up the legacy.
      1. +11
        11 September 2023 10: 17
        GDP is having a hard time clearing up its legacy.
        Yeah, 23 years of raking and raking...and raking a lot?
        1. -5
          11 September 2023 12: 11
          In my opinion, a lot has been done; for me, the difference between 2000 and 2023 is huge. The fact that you made a mistake with Ukraine does not imply merit in the past.
          1. 0
            11 September 2023 20: 39
            And for me, between 1984 and 2023 is even greater. And it gets worse and worse. And there is no need to say that fighters are not involved in the destruction of the Motherland. Direct participants. One wore serious shoulder straps.
        2. -1
          11 September 2023 22: 21
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          Yeah, 23 years of raking and raking...and raking a lot?

          Crimea and Donbass returned to Russia. Even with drinking and smoking, Putin copes quite effectively.
          1. +1
            12 September 2023 17: 28
            First he contributed to the return, and then he returned it. Oh well. Wasn’t he the one who recognized and partnered with Bandera’s coup? Between 14 and 23 nine years and a million cubic meters of gas to the enemy.
    2. +4
      11 September 2023 18: 56
      Quote: Million
      Our authorities also want to let Armenia out from under their wing,

      Do you need fleas under your wing? So they are carriers of diseases.
  18. +5
    11 September 2023 09: 20
    Quote from Escariot
    Azerbaijan now demands not only Karabakh, but also a revision of the border, as well as a corridor to Nakhichevan. The powers of the CSTO should begin in this very place, but since this organization has withdrawn itself from the conflict, then Armenia has nothing to do there. Well, the military base in Gyumri immediately comes into question


    With your permission, I will clarify that Azerbaijan demands a peace treaty, demarcation of the borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan in order to exclude territorial claims in the future, as well as a road to Nakhichevan, which Armenia must open according to the tripartite agreement. By the way, this road should be controlled by the Russian FSB
  19. -1
    11 September 2023 09: 22
    Let them go to NATO, especially since it is their choice.
    And they’re doing it right.
  20. +5
    11 September 2023 09: 26
    Merchants were never warriors! Will they sell my mother for a penny? If the Ari are such patriots, then why didn’t they recognize Karabakh (Artsakh)? Merchant's insides come out like dermo.
  21. +2
    11 September 2023 09: 47
    The question is why the United States succeeds in almost everything and we have almost nothing, apparently the problem is global, starting with general education and ending with the fact that the United States manages to attract really smart and practical people. What should Russia do - abandon all external ambitions, focus on internal security and internal problems, try to build some kind of production by playing on the US-China confrontation, as China did in the 60-80s, all policies following the example of China need to be stretched out for a long time by +50 years of ensuring succession in replacement of leadership. In order for it to be here and now, as the last 2 years have shown, we have objectively not matured and there is no need to tear your vest, if at the moment you cannot master something, prepare and master it, you need desire, patience, brains and will. Just .
    1. +1
      11 September 2023 20: 45
      In order for it to work out like in China, you need one and a half lard of people. And one penny at a time, one step at a time. Not for Russia and its rulers.
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 11: 25
        The USA and the USSR also did not have nearly a million people, but we have what we have.
        The population decides a lot, but not everything
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 16: 40
          The USSR had the most progressive socio-political system, which is not observed either in China or the Russian Federation. The United States has built its prosperity on robbery and violence. There this formation itself, it can be called a state with great stretch, on the land of an exterminated people. This is not a correct example and does not suit us. And the reason for Chinese progress is the investment and technology of this predator, plus a huge mass of free labor.
  22. +8
    11 September 2023 10: 01
    “Pashinyan had complaints against the CSTO about why no one rushed into the last conflict with Azerbaijan on the side of Armenia.”

    The CSTO is not only the Russian Federation and Armenia, right?

    “Most likely, the situation with Nagorno-Karabakh will be carried out according to Ilham Aliyev’s scenario: whoever wants it will take Azerbaijani citizenship, whoever doesn’t want it will leave.”

    But please, not in the Russian Federation.
    1. +5
      11 September 2023 10: 19
      But please, not in the Russian Federation.
      ..And where? To France, or what? smile They keep coming and coming to us... smile
      1. +5
        11 September 2023 10: 29
        Yes, even to France, or even to the Ivory Coast, but just not to us hi
        1. +6
          11 September 2023 12: 02
          We already have three of them... we'll get the rest... smile
  23. +5
    11 September 2023 10: 42
    I have my own view on this. 10 years of service in the Transcaucasian Military District (Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan) motivate a certain attitude towards these “friends”. When they ask me who I would support in the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, I answer with the words of Mercutio from Shakespeare’s tragedy (A plague on both your houses) “Romeo and Juliet”: A plague on both your houses. Regarding friends, I agree with the British: Russia has no friends (except Serbia), Russia has only interests. Why do we need "allies" to whom we cannot turn our backs? According to the 2021 census, about one million Armenians live in Russia. Why do we need to keep our contingent there? The Armenians themselves do not want to fight for Artsakh. Do we need it? This is a suitcase without a handle, in fact, which also rests.
    1. +4
      11 September 2023 12: 04
      Quote: Venara
      Russia has no friends (except Serbia)


      Nuka quickly apologized to the Belarusians.
      1. +4
        11 September 2023 12: 52
        Agree. However, I perceive Belarusians as myself. Perhaps this is not correct.
      2. +2
        11 September 2023 22: 35
        They are relatives. By the way, Ukrainians too, that’s why there is such anger. It will pass, but I'm afraid we won't live to see it.
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 17: 23
          They are just Russians, and Ukrainians simply do not exist. The greatest mistake of the Soviet government was recognizing the inhabitants of the outskirts as a nation. Let's unwind.
          1. 0
            13 September 2023 01: 06
            Haven't you read "The Unbaptized Priest" by Leskov? It was written long before the USSR. How are the “Russians” afraid that they will christen the boy with a Russian name... There is no need to replace one invention with another.
  24. 0
    11 September 2023 10: 51
    Author, you wrote so allegorically that every resident of Russia, or at least who reads Vo, MUST know who Murad Mamedov is.
    What's special about it? Sitting on a golden toilet? So this is not uncommon among the nouveau riche, and it doesn’t matter whether it’s Soviet or post-Soviet. lol
    You can consider me anyone, but if you raise a topic, then write directly and convincingly, without fear for your words, otherwise an association arises “about someone who cannot be talked about...” from some book, fiction, I don’t remember already, but association. lol
  25. +8
    11 September 2023 10: 54
    First, a note: in Soviet times, Armenia was a republic with the smallest percentage of interethnic marriages in the Union - 0,5%. Moreover, in the absolutely overwhelming majority of these marriages were with Georgians and Azerbaijanis. This fact alone speaks volumes. Now about the Armenians living in Russia - they did not rush to defend their homeland, just like those living in Armenia. The majority of Armenians are confident that they should be protected by the Russians, and they themselves discuss the war on the sidelines, scold the same Russians... After all, their own profit is more important to them - they can get killed in a war... And how many demonstrations have there been against the presence of the Russian military in Gyumri bases? As for Armenia's entry into NATO, Türkiye will quietly swallow the country. And NATO will not notice the Armenian genocide - no one will want to talk some sense into Turkey... And it is really difficult for Russia to provide direct military assistance to Armenia - there is no common border. In 2008, Medvedev (with the current guarantor looming behind him), stopped the troops, did not crush the aggressor, forgave the Georgians for the murdered peacekeepers and civilians of South Ossetia, and did not install a pro-Russian government in Georgia. I would have crushed Georgia - and now there would have been an opportunity to send troops overland to Armenia. But our guarantors are not capable of decisive action - their destiny is to negotiate.
    1. +3
      11 September 2023 11: 58
      It's a miracle that Medvedev then generally reacted so sharply.
      Under Putin, with the same Donbass, as we remember, 8 years of “negotiations” were deceived.
      I believe that if Putin is acceptable as a “peacetime leader,” then as a “military leader” he is not; Medvedev is more appropriate here (there are suspicions that he would have started already in 2014).
      These are my personal impressions.
  26. +1
    11 September 2023 11: 54
    And it’s trite to try to “join the Russian Federation” - does the Khotor ambition interfere with them?
    Either “Vasya, go through the forest,” then “Save Vasya!”...

    And no, it doesn’t matter “why do we need this” (ideally there should be referendums on both sides, but it may turn out to be inconvenient), what’s more important is that this would somehow at least clearly indicate intentions and attitude.
    1. +4
      11 September 2023 15: 29
      Quote: pettabyte
      And it’s trite to try to “join the Russian Federation” - does the Khotor ambition interfere with them?

      Why should they join the Russian Federation, where the minimum wage is less than 150 bucks a month? Aren't you too ambitious?
  27. -4
    11 September 2023 11: 58
    Quote: Igor1915
    why the USA gets almost everything and we get almost nothing

    Yes, because those who make loud speeches “about freedom, independence and so on” are the same henchmen and hostages of overseas puppeteers...
  28. +4
    11 September 2023 12: 09
    We do not need Armenia as an ally - it is weak and, due to its own problems, cannot be useful to us. The Karabakh problem inevitably requires the division of the disputed territory between the conflicting parties, with physical demarcation divided where possible.
    To do this, from the sluggish talk shop with emotions in the “a la caucas” style, it is necessary to form a “decision in 100 days” format, involving Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey and the Russian Federation.
    In order to resolve the situation and consolidate this decision at the diplomatic level by all parties, it is advisable to generally minimize all agreements of a binding nature with Armenia (gradually) and switch to the nature of the relationship from a connection of agreements of a very specific plan.
    The Armenian society should have an understanding that their country for the Russian Federation at the moment is hemorrhoids and not something really profitable; they should understand our good will and not be under the illusion that they are owed something.
  29. 0
    11 September 2023 12: 24
    A good review article, but I would add in conclusion that our Foreign Ministry needs to firmly state its position with the proposal that Armenia not join NATO (all kinds of exercises with the alliance), if they do not listen to us, stop trade (export of alcohol and tobacco), curtail joint projects, withdraw the peacekeepers. Maintain and develop cooperation with opposition parties to Pashinyan.
    1. -1
      11 September 2023 12: 46
      we need to firmly state our position with the proposal not to allow Armenia to join NATO

      after many years of insignificant chatter (when words are not followed by actions) - this will be another "joke" to amuse "Western partners"
    2. -1
      24 October 2023 14: 36
      Quote: AREOPAG23
      withdraw the peacekeepers.

      From where to withdraw?
  30. +1
    11 September 2023 12: 52
    Here in the Omsk region, Armenians are constantly repairing roads. Involuntarily, Zadornov is recalled with his immortal remark that one trouble is constantly repairing another
  31. +4
    11 September 2023 13: 00
    And again, the upper class in power will justify their mediocrity, insolvency, which is already more like sabotage, smearing snot on spitted cheeks, quietly sobbing and reading mantras something like, we allegedly do not interfere anywhere. Then normal citizens reasonably ask, why? Why the hell are you so-called? self-proclaimed elites, who betrayed and killed the once great power, seized upon power, created a semi-feudal hereditary class society without social elevators, recklessly and in courage take national resources, lining their pockets, in their own territories, in essence, are not able to control the processes taking place there, surrendering the enemy one line after another. Where they do not encounter any opposition, they feel at home, they work in full and on a grand scale, revealingly brazenly.
  32. +5
    11 September 2023 13: 39
    A couple of corrections. Türkiye will never agree to Armenia's membership in NATO. Because she doesn't need it at all. Türkiye is pursuing its expansionist policy in the region. Armenia is listed there as an object, not a subject. In addition, both Azerbaijan and Turkey need the Zangezur corridor (territory of Armenia). How will they take it if Armenia is in NATO? Therefore, Armenia will not be in NATO. But on the territory of Armenia there may well be bases of the United States and (or) France on a bilateral basis.
    This is the first amendment. And the second is that Pashinyan does not care at all about the security of Armenia. He doesn’t give a damn about Armenians (any kind - Artsakh or Yerevan) and Armenia as a whole. He was brought to power at one time by the intelligence services of Britain and the United States. They set him a task: the collapse of the CSTO or, at a minimum, the withdrawal of Armenia from the CSTO. And the ousting of Russia from the South Caucasus. These are the assigned tasks he performs. And his only concern is personal safety and wealth with living in one of the Western countries. Like Judas Gorbachev. That's all. Way out? The arrest of Pashinyan and the publication of evidence of his treason.
    1. 0
      12 September 2023 00: 13
      I don’t think that Pashinyan is a traitor, but he is definitely a nationalist-populist. In the conditions in which Armenia finds itself, however, national populism is, in principle, an unhealthy position, cannot lead to anything good and is neither logical nor correct. However, democracy does not always promote to power people who are friendly in every sense of the word. Society HAS A REQUEST, THERE IS AN ILLUSION. A person who is ready to give them this request or illusion (or the illusion of implementation) can also gain power in a society that is ready to eat fairy tales and does not want to open its eyes.
      On the one hand, yes, there is a storyteller, a piper who carries you along. On the other hand, it is worth recognizing that in such a construction the piper is kept by the public request of the majority or the most politically active group of the majorities. Yes, he rubs in on this group, but they also yearn to be rubbed in.
      Until such a magician is exposed, until this key “majority” sees the light to a certain extent, this trend cannot be broken, and it is better not to seize power by force. This could lead to a Myth or even start a war - one way or another it won’t get better, here the reality is quite well described in the problems for the novel “It’s Hard to Be God.”
      For Pashinyan, the CSTO and Russia in general are not a target for sabotage, no. These are objects of focus for distraction. This character understands that for his majority he cannot really solve problems. But he can distract them from them in order to stay in power. To divert attention or distract or refocus grievances. For example, having rolled a barrel on us - and we are happy to play this game, because we are, in principle, being played with a bang by everyone and chronically.
      And NATO or the USA is also not the goal of Pashinyan’s aspirations, but he understands that for part of “his” electorate this is part of the fairy tale about the “holy grail”, in analogy with Yanukov’s flirtations with the “association”. When you can’t do anything concrete, but it’s very good under your butt. a warm and comfortable chair, you twist, stir and babble not for some insidious purposes, but because it “comes in”, and because it holds you.
      Then, at the right moment, he can say that the West has abandoned him, and this card will also work great, because the Armenians will be slammed with all these jelly banks, just as the Ukrainians were slammed at one time.
      This is exactly how you should look at his watering. activity. A person is forced to “hold” the illusion of his electorate, which has clung to this illusion. A sort of Adolf Aloizovich on minimal wages, without a mustache, the Wehrmacht and the NSDAP - but with an analogue of the “vanderwaffe” in the form of “abroad will help us.”
      This is not the first type of such a plan, I could be wrong, but from this series in Georgia there was Mr. Gamsakhurdia. Ended badly. Because ambitions always need to be adjusted to the size of the cap and the surroundings.
      1. +1
        13 September 2023 00: 30
        ...he rubs in on this group, but they also yearn to be rubbed in....
        When you can’t do anything concrete, but it’s very good under your butt. a warm and comfortable chair, you twist, stir and babble not for some insidious purposes, but because it “comes in”, and because it holds you.
        Then, at the right moment, he can say that the West has abandoned him, and this card will also work great...


        This reminds me a lot of someone from your description.
        And this someone is not Pashinin, Yanukovych and Gamsakhurdia. And not even Zelensky.
      2. -1
        24 October 2023 14: 37
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        I don't think Pashinyan is a traitor

        And I'm sure of that.
    2. +2
      12 September 2023 00: 28
      He was brought to power at one time by the intelligence services of Britain and the United States.


      Very interesting.

      How did the intelligence services of Britain and the United States force Armenians to go out to mass protests (more than 200 thousand in Yerevan) in 2018, after which Pashinyan was released from prison and elected prime minister?

      How did the British and US intelligence services force the majority of Armenians to vote for Pashinyan’s party in the 2021 elections?

      What technologies do they have to achieve such results and can they apply these technologies in Russia?
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 13: 48
        Because the staff of the US and British consulates in Armenia are like uncut dogs. They work....
        And Russia, as always, is chewing snot.
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 22: 07
          Quote: Tarusa Petrova
          Because the staff of the US and British consulates in Armenia are like uncut dogs. They work....
          And Russia, as always, is chewing snot.

          Exactly the same as the Ukrainians were taken out.
          It’s called Maidan, the process has been worked out.
      2. -1
        24 October 2023 14: 40
        Quote from: dump22
        What technologies do they have to achieve such results and can they apply these technologies in Russia?

        Well, all social networks and the vast majority of the world's media are controlled by them. Well, don’t forget that they print money and can simply buy many people this way.
  33. +7
    11 September 2023 13: 41
    Pashinyan successfully won the elections, which means that the Armenian people, at least the majority of them, support him and his policies. Nothing new - every nation deserves exactly the government it has. This is true for Armenia, for Russia, and for any other country.
    1. 0
      11 September 2023 18: 18
      You see, elections are such a thing, technology, they usually choose those who promise more, who are louder, who are shown on TV more often, in whom they have invested more money. This is manipulation. Yes, the people seem to have chosen, but the people were mistaken, deceived. The real choice is made by the one who suggests the candidate and promotes him with all the power of the media and finances. Everyone knows perfectly well who promoted Pashinyan and who trained him.
    2. +1
      11 September 2023 19: 05
      Quote: UAZ 452
      Pashinyan successfully won the elections

      Well, that doesn't mean anything at all these days.
  34. +3
    11 September 2023 14: 39
    Quote from Alexwar
    The United States will solve the issue of nationalities following the example of Yugoslavia, splitting it into parts


    This is correct, you don’t have to go to grandma.

    Russia's foreign policy is based on its domestic policy.
    And here, ethnic clans of both “very friendly countries” are fiercely lobbying for the interests of their clans to the detriment of the indigenous population of Russia.
    Ethnic markets, shopping centers, banks, restaurants and shops with funny names: “Gifts of ArmenAzerbaijan” (try it, you’ll get something for free there), have filled Russia.

    But in this struggle of ethnic groups, Azerbaijan won on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    The Armenians needed to visit the cozy pool more often in the Ukraine Hotel, where some people like to swim.
    The Armenians needed to push more mayors, governors, and their cousins ​​into deputy positions.
    Instead, they, resting on the laurels of the “brotherly people,” populated their true capital, Sochi, and the entire south of the Krasnodar Territory.

    And when the second war broke out for Artsakh/Karabas, their young men of military age ran away in entire towns to Moscow and hung out in coffee shops and discos with Azerbaijani fugitives.
    Moreover, neither the first nor the second spoke Russian anymore.

    Why the Azerbaijani conscripts did not run away from Aliyev’s “regime” to Turkey, which they so glorify, and the Armenian conscripts did not run away to France, we will never know to Sh. Ashnavur....
    1. 0
      11 September 2023 20: 30
      The fact that they ran away is an indicator that people didn’t want to die, it’s unclear why.
  35. -1
    11 September 2023 15: 13
    Russia will not leave Armenia, Azerbaijan will break through a land corridor to its Nakhichevan and everything will calm down, there will be no new Armenian genocide, Sultan and Aliyev are not complete scumbags, it’s just that now is the most favorable time for this thanks to Pashinyan’s multi-vector policy
  36. +2
    11 September 2023 15: 17
    Does Skomorokh know that Armenia has already recognized that Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan?
    Armenia did not recognize the independence of Karabakh and did not officially include Karabakh as part of Armenia in any document.
    He only draws maps, but there are no official documents.
    Secondly, on what basis should the CSTO intervene?
    Azerbaijan forcibly regained six of its regions occupied by Armenia during the First Armenian-Azerbaijani War in the early nineties.
    Moreover, according to the agreement in Minsk, Armenia itself undertook to return them, and then there might not have been a second war.
    But Pashinin refused to comply with the document that he himself signed.
    As he told Putin, the people of Armenia will not understand me.
    And it is also unlikely that Türkiye will support Armenia’s entry into NATO.
    Why does she need this, but she will certainly support Azerbaijan’s accession.
  37. -1
    11 September 2023 15: 39
    Don’t deceive yourself, the countdown for the Russian Federation in Armenia began with Pashinyan’s rise to power. Until now, NATO advised him not to escalate matters with the Russian Federation, but to try to get as much as possible out of membership in the CSTO in the remaining time. Hence a lot of complaints and no return, the "nipple" system. Now the United States has given the command to break, apparently deciding that it’s time, France is screaming because of Africa, things are bad in Ukraine, and in general. All accusations like “how did the CSTO help us” are nothing more than excuses. Do not confuse cause with effect, the leadership of the Russian Federation perfectly understood Armenia’s plans and simply did not allow the CSTO to be used as fools and then jump off.
  38. +2
    11 September 2023 15: 50
    I remember the times (late 80s - early 90s) when in Armenia the Russian (Soviet, Russian) military was treated very well. Then “sovereignty”: “we will take all your property, you will leave with only your suitcases.” Then President Ter-Petrosyan signed an agreement in Moscow and all the arrogance and belligerence of the population was replaced by friendliness. This means that the policy of the country's leadership can quickly change the relations of any people to the diametrically opposite. There are many examples (Bulgaria: WWII, WWII and modernity, and a whole set of countries). Citizens with 2 passports are always not loyal citizens. And until we understand this, it will continue to be “I don’t understand”, “I don’t care, I’m a foreign citizen”, etc. The drift of Armenia and other countries from Russia will be constant, only some are faster, others a little slower. We don’t have enough money to buy the elite (appetites are exorbitant), to conquer - the era of colonial wars is over. It's impossible to play the long game. Specifically, Armenia, led by Pashinyan, is actually no longer ours. and 102 VB in Gyumri, where half (maybe more) of the contract soldiers, officers and warrant officers are ethnic Armenians, is not a guarantor of support for the course of the Russian Federation.
  39. +1
    11 September 2023 15: 51
    The number of Russian schools in Armenia in the 90s could be counted on one hand. I think there were no more of them in the 2000s
  40. -3
    11 September 2023 16: 37
    Quote: Traveler_2
    Therefore, Armenia will not be in NATO.

    As they will say in the USA, so it will be, if Turkey is “against”, that means they will change the top of Turkey so that it is “for”
  41. +2
    11 September 2023 16: 57
    well, that's nice
    at least 2 thousand military personnel will not be hostages of their eternal massacre

    Well, hello to geopolitics, good work for 23 years
    and I even understand his purpose
  42. 0
    11 September 2023 17: 56
    If Armenia does not want protection, then the troops must be withdrawn so as not to leak data to NATO.
    Armenia can get these weapons and mercenaries from NATO, if they haven’t run out there.
    NATO gives Ukraine weapons and, like, fight to the end. The same will happen with Armenia, the Armenians who are afraid of war here will receive it there in their homeland.
    While serving in the army, I also met bad Armenians. There are normal Armenians I know, and there are very cunning ones.
    Pashinyan, like Zelensky, is dragging everyone to war, knowing that they will lose. Apparently I also wanted to fight.
  43. -3
    11 September 2023 18: 01
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote from Alexwar
    Show me at least one small country that has achieved at least something in the world?

    Switzerland, Singapore...

    Both of these “powers” ​​are the result of compromises by real powers, just like the record per capita GDP of Luxembourg or Monaco.
    Whose compromise could today's Armenia become? Turks and Americans: wolves and wolves?
    How many Armenians I know are mostly active, educated people, often hard workers, not traders; in Rostov-on-Don, they are a city-forming nation along with the Russians. The natives are not lost and are successful in France and the USA.
    Question: and those who remained in Armenia itself - why don’t they need their own state, why do they persistently destroy it?
    I would also understand - they would like to join Iran, where life was not so bad for them, but why do they want to fall under the Turk, who slaughtered them like sheep? After all, this is exactly what Pashinyan Vovaevich is talking about - he leads them to the slaughter, not even promising lace panties, he simply leads...
    Are there not Armenians living there? Then who?
  44. 0
    11 September 2023 19: 03
    Everything about Karabakh is complicated for a neutral person. Especially considering that Armenia itself does not officially recognize it. Therefore, we need to remain neutral here. But the issue with the Syunik region of Armenia is different. Here we have a direct interest in supporting the Armenians and preventing the Turks from passing (through Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan) to the Caspian Sea. Here, by the way, the obligations under the CSTO work (unlike Karabakh). That is, no familiarity, just politics
  45. +1
    11 September 2023 19: 35
    "Armenia is joining NATO." -
    I somehow remembered from the movie: “MARIO IS GOING TO ROBB THE BANK!!” Have you heard: “Mario is going to rob the bank!!”
    "Mario is going to rob a bank!!!" And the neighbors, led by a policeman, picked Mario up and carried him to the bank......
  46. 0
    11 September 2023 20: 04
    This alignment is just another 101 confirmation that 23 years of governance by the current Putin government have been a complete failure, both on the foreign economic track and on the domestic one. Only historically maximum oil prices allowed Russia to live somewhat in ephemeral luxury, but as soon as any problems occurred, all the rotten roots of this comprador management were immediately revealed.
  47. +1
    11 September 2023 21: 58
    Armenians for almost 20 years have not recognized Karabakh, the fighting Armenian guard. They simply squandered this historical opportunity, to put it mildly. Living in a Western way, dreaming about America and not thinking about their homeland, this is the life option for Armenians through NGOs and Sores. Now, the Armenians blame Russia for this, not funny, but sad.
  48. +4
    11 September 2023 22: 38
    Armenia expects from Russia money, weapons, soldiers who will die for the interests of Armenia. If this is not predetermined, Armenia will turn to the United States, or anyone else. The post-Soviet syndrome, which must be destroyed, even at the cost of the loss of Armenia. Moreover, it was lost back in 1991, at least. Apparently, not everyone understands this. Armenians simply, stupidly use Russia; it is not dear to them mentally.
  49. +2
    11 September 2023 22: 38
    The main problem is that we act too softly and are always trying to come to an agreement with everyone, forgive debts to countries, and do not require advance payment for the supply of our goods. We need to act tougher.
  50. -1
    11 September 2023 23: 44
    I have no recipes for how to keep Armenia in the CSTO, and hence our military base in Gyumri. But I am convinced that no matter how ungrateful Armenia behaves, every possible effort should be made to keep Armenia in the CSTO, and therefore our only military base in the South Caucasus. And given that more Armenians live in Russia than in Armenia itself, this is quite possible.
  51. +1
    12 September 2023 00: 20
    All former Soviet republics, with the exception of Belarus, are enemies of Russia. Each republic causes damage to Russia to the best of its ability. The comprador authorities of the Russian Federation, caring about their personal pockets, encourage such actions that bring money to the oligarchs. In 1991, a coup d'état was carried out in the USSR; this criminal offense has no statute of limitations. The “elites” of the republics are trying by any means to protect the plundered national wealth and their status. There is a way out, it’s just that the Russian people have not yet matured. For the people, it does not matter where Azerbaijan, Armenia, or the Baltic republics join. As soon as the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation decides that a coup d’etat was carried out in the USSR and all the union republics are not legitimate, these artificial states will immediately begin to crumble.
  52. +1
    12 September 2023 00: 30
    The problem is not with Armenia as a Country, but with the Armenian people as the heir of Great Armenia, the remains of which the Turks massacred at the beginning of the 20th century. In the 90s they won, largely because of their monoethnic composition and small numbers, as well as their willingness to sacrifice. And now they have lost the generation that learned to win in Soviet military universities and on the Soviet border, and, unlike Azerbaijan, they have not created a new one. The entire Armenian policy of recent decades was built on cutting the dough and leaving. Well, everything came to a natural result. The Armenian army in its current form would have lost to those Armenian militia units from the same year 92. What's more, it's the same goal.
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      16 September 2023 14: 01
      Lord, so many lies in one article.

      Having direct experience of communicating and living together in this environment, of course, maybe I was unlucky, but it was all negative. Since Soviet times, the products of the Armenian industry have been associated as extremely low-quality and unclaimed, as well as personal operating experience, for example, the Sevan alarm clock and gas turbine engines, which did not produce even 1/3 of their service life.
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  55. +3
    12 September 2023 09: 11
    Today we still see how the “lack of rights of the weak” is implemented by the Kremlin, merging one position after another.
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    1. 0
      24 October 2023 14: 49
      Well, the first sanctions against Armenians already exist:
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2023/10/24/bessrochno-gosduma-reshila-ne-priznavat-voditelskie-prava-grazhdan-armenii-v-rossii
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  58. 0
    12 September 2023 12: 02
    Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
    And given that more Armenians live in Russia than in Armenia itself, this is quite possible.
    There are even more Armenians living in the USA than in Russia. The Armenian lobby in the US Congress has been the second most influential lobby, after the Israeli one, for forty years now.
    https://anca.org/armenian-caucus/
    9 US states recognized the independence of Karabakh. California back in 2014.
  59. 0
    12 September 2023 12: 30
    In the meantime, let's see how Mr. Pashinyan puts NATO membership on the scale... the understanding of his people.

    And Mr. Pashinyan is doing well with this: just remember that he was re-elected after the defeat in Karabakh. The people clearly approve of what is happening.
  60. +1
    12 September 2023 13: 37
    Quote: Norma51
    Lord, so many lies in one article. Armenia does not even think about joining NATO. It is Azerbaijan that constantly conducts exercises with NATO, and with NATO Turkey almost every month. It was Russia and Azerbaijan, in flagrant violation of the Tripartite Agreement, who staged a blockade of Nagorno-Karabakh.
    Yes, there are a lot of lies. Not in the article, but in the comments. In your comment.
    First of all, there is no tripartite agreement. There is a three-way Statement

    Secondly, Azerbaijan is conducting exercises with Turkey not within the framework of NATO, but within the framework of its bilateral relations with Turkey. Azerbaijan will never join NATO. This was not why he sought to join and occupy a prominent position in the Non-Aligned Movement. In which I. Aliyev has been the Chairman since 2019.
    Thirdly, there is no gross violation of the Tripartite Statement. You wrote that there is supposedly a gross violation of the Tripartite...document. But you didn’t cite either the point or sub-point that, in your opinion, was allegedly violated.
    Fourthly... what kind of blockade? Recognize the legality of the construction of a checkpoint on the border of Armenia with Azerbaijan and use it for your pleasure. What is the problem ?
    Yes, someone won't be allowed in. Someone might even be detained. But such phenomena occur on the borders of many countries around the world. Why should it be any different for you?
  61. 0
    12 September 2023 13: 40
    Dangerous trend. The resolution of territorial disputes between Armenia and Azerbaijan is an opportunity to admit both Armenia and Azerbaijan into NATO. I think both the other side is ready for this. Considering that neighboring Turkey is in NATO, a large region will enter and strengthen this organization in the underbelly of Russia. Considering the mood in Georgia, we can expect new military clashes with Ossetia and Abkhazia, thanks to NATO military bases that will appear on the territory of the new members.
    Actually, Russia is surrounded by NATO both from the north and the south.
    And we are absolutely not benefited by an extension for SVO years. The West is already engaged in Central Asia.
    We have no opportunity to strengthen our positions either in the north or in the south because of the Northeast Military District.
    Therefore, in my opinion, only traitors can talk about extending the SVO in Ukraine.
    Unfortunately, we are losing everything that was conquered by our grandfathers and fathers.
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  63. +1
    12 September 2023 13: 59
    Quote: Berezin
    But the issue with the Syunik region of Armenia is different. Here we have a direct interest in supporting the Armenians and preventing the Turks from passing (through Nakhichevan and Azerbaijan) to the Caspian Sea.

    Заявление Президента азербайанской республики, Премьер-министра республики арения и Президента российсий
    November 10 2020 years
    9. All economic and transport connections in the region will be unblocked. The Republic of Armenia guarantees the safety of transport communications between the western regions of the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic in order to organize the unhindered movement of citizens, vehicles and cargo in both directions. Control over transport communications is carried out by the Border Service of the FSB of Russia.

    By agreement of the Parties, the construction of new transport communications linking the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic with the western regions of Azerbaijan will be provided.
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  66. 0
    12 September 2023 14: 32
    According to the “Right of the Might,” ours entered Afghanistan and Ukraine.

    Author, the story was still a little different from what you present :))) The USSR entered Afghanistan not by the right of the strong (read, illegally), unlike America, but by an official request from the DRA government for military assistance. Yes, this was preceded by Alpha’s secret operation, a coup, the overthrow of Amin... but all these were actions, and not the permanent deployment of military contingents “by the right of the strong.” The entry of Soviet troops itself began precisely after the official request of the new Karmal government for military assistance.
  67. 0
    12 September 2023 17: 10
    Everything is very complicated in this conflict, one thing is clear. It is necessary to strengthen supervision over both diasporas in Russia and migration to it, if the diasporas do not have a voice or do not use such a right in their homeland in our favor and against NATO, why does our state need such a 5th column?
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  71. 0
    13 September 2023 11: 09
    Quote: Tarusa Petrova
    this is an opportunity to admit both Armenia and Azerbaijan to NATO. I think both the other side is ready for this.
    Why would Azerbaijan trample on NATO if Ilham Aliyev is the Chairman of the Non-Aligned Movement since 2019!!!
  72. 0
    13 September 2023 11: 16
    Quote: border
    Then President Ter-Petrosyan signed an agreement in Moscow and all the arrogance and belligerence of the population changed to friendliness.

    It's simple. Let's remember the history of Armenian-American relations.
    Since the end of the 19th century, Armenian politicians began to focus on the United States. After World War I, the Armenian delegation went out of its way at the Paris Peace Conference to become a US mandate. President Wilson himself promised the Armenians that this would happen. But at that time there was no powerful Armenian lobby in the US Congress. And the US Congress did not support its president, refusing to accept Armenia under mandate control.
    But by the time of the collapse of the USSR, the Armenian lobby in the US Congress was already second in terms of influence, after the Israeli one.
    After the collapse of the USSR, the members of the Armenian caucus in the US Congress firmly raised the issue of the need to protect Armenia before the Administration of US President George W. Bush!
    And here the Administration of the President of the United States began to scratch their turnips. It is impossible to ignore the request of the Armenian lobby - it is very influential and is needed to resolve many other important issues for the US Presidential Administration. On the other hand, it is necessary to ensure the protection of Armenia in such a way as not to irritate the old NATO member - Turkey, with which the United States then had love and complete mutual understanding. And yet it is impossible not to offend a new friend - Yeltsin's Russia, where the best friend of the United States, Andrei Kozyrev, was then in charge of foreign affairs.
    It would seem that at that time the simplest solution would have been to admit Armenia to NATO. But this would just outrage Turkey and, probably, us, Russia too. Moreover, it was contrary to the NATO Charter, since states that have territorial disputes with neighboring NATO members cannot be admitted to NATO. Armenia lays claim to part of the territory of NATO member Turkey.
    It would be possible to place a US military base in Armenia. But this step will cause exactly the same reaction. And how can one explain to American taxpayers why the US needs a base in Armenia, when there are already US bases in neighboring Turkey?
    And then the United States made a clever Jesuit move. They recommended that the Armenians ask for a base…. from Russia. And the Armenians, who recently sought to get away from Moscow to such an extent that they banned the holding of a referendum on the territory of Armenia on the preservation of the USSR, quickly changed their shoes and began to sing songs to us about the great friendship of the Armenian people for the great Russian people. And Kozyrev presented this matter to Yeltsin in such a way that we supposedly could put a hedgehog in the pants of the United States and that the United States, they say, could not do anything to us in response. Naturally, this proposal delighted Yeltsin. As a result, Kozyrev received Yeltsin’s favor, and Armenia received our base..
  73. 0
    13 September 2023 12: 01
    Quote from Romanovski
    occurred in Prague, with the mediation of the European Union, that same European Union

    DECLARATION on allied interaction between the Russian Federation and
    The Republic of Armenia, oriented towards the XNUMXst century
    ……
    2. The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia, taking coinciding or similar positions on current international issues, will deepen constructive and systematic foreign policy interaction on a bilateral basis, as well as within the UN, OSCE, CIS, other international and regional organizations and forums in the interests of strengthening peace , stability and security on both a regional and global scale.

    The Russian Federation supports and welcomes the accession of the Republic of Armenia to the Council of Europe.

    3. The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia reaffirm their commitment to the goals and principles of the UN Charter, which have proven their universal and enduring nature, and will contribute to the further strengthening and renewal of the United Nations and consolidation of its central role in world affairs.

    The parties reject military interference in the internal affairs of sovereign states in circumvention of the UN Charter and without the sanction of the UN Security Council.

    The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia stand for strengthening the key role of the OSCE in the prevention and peaceful resolution of disputes and conflicts, in promoting human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the rights of national minorities, in creating an environment of peace, harmony and lasting security and stability in Europe.

    6. The Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia are in favor of a speedy settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict exclusively by peaceful means on a fair basis acceptable to all parties.

    In this regard, the Russian Federation welcomes the ongoing direct dialogue at the highest level between the Republic of Armenia and the Republic of Azerbaijan.

    The Republic of Armenia notes with satisfaction the constructive role of the Russian Federation in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.


    Done in Moscow on September 26, 2000.

    President
    Russian Federation
    Putin

    President
    Republic of Armenia
    R. Kocharyan
  74. 0
    13 September 2023 13: 39
    Quote from Romanovski
    We demand that Pashinyan immediately sign the assistance package proposed by the CSTO
    Hmm, what, did the CSTO offer Armenia some kind of package? The official CSTO website says nothing about this.
    Last May 18, 13:46,
    The CSTO confirmed its readiness to provide assistance to Armenia
    We are talking about sending a monitoring mission and support in the military-technical sphere, said the organization’s Secretary General Imangali Tasmagambetov
    MINSK, May 18. /TASS/. The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) confirms its readiness to provide Yerevan with possible assistance by sending a CSTO monitoring mission and within the framework of military-technical cooperation. This was announced on Thursday at a meeting of the Council of the CSTO Parliamentary Assembly in Minsk by the organization’s Secretary General Imangali Tasmagambetov.
    “Again, as was stated at last November’s session of the Collective Security Council [CSTO], we confirm our readiness to provide Yerevan with possible assistance both by sending a CSTO monitoring mission and through military-technical assistance, training border guards and equipping them with modern technical means.” , - he said.
    Tasmagambetov noted that tension in the South Caucasus, caused by many years of contradictions between Armenia and Azerbaijan, persists, and outbreaks of armed clashes are being recorded. “Of course, we welcome the efforts of the conflicting parties aimed at concluding a comprehensive peace agreement,” added the CSTO Secretary General.
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  76. 0
    16 September 2023 13: 54
    Because with all our immaturity and mediocrity, the complete insolvency and helplessness of managing and protecting our vital interests of the Russian Federation in the so-called. in the post-Soviet space, and essentially on its own territory, it is necessary to hold an event that is unpopular in liberal circles of the ruling class as an example for others. All that is needed is political will, an order to the relevant services, and most importantly, the desire of the state leadership to decide, protect and defend the interests of their Motherland in their post. Given the time pressure now and the passive, mediocre helplessness before, it is necessary to go to markets, banks, stalls and retail outlets, wherever there is a flow of money just like that and there is no need for physical labor, to gather the indigenous population of 2 million (100 thousand is enough for the first time) and communications with the betrayal of the prince-protege of the amers, send them to their historical homeland to restore order, strengthen friendly and fraternal ties with the Russian Federation. It is guaranteed that within six months the issue will be resolved forever, and most importantly, the rest of the bais, khans and various kinds of local princelings will joyfully stand in line at the Spassky Gate to show their respect and boundless love for the Russian Federation. Yes, and I already mentioned earlier, the so-called. National diasporas must be recognized as nationalist organized crime groups.
  77. +1
    16 September 2023 23: 17
    Armenia has been preparing for NATO for a long time. What the Armenians are doing quietly, sophistically in the Krasnodar Territory, suggests that they subsequently hope for the help of NATO in their rooting in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory. Their people are in all structures, especially in the security forces, secretaries are young Armenian women in the courts, all the information is in their hands, in the medical ones, their favorite are the police and local police officers who control the flow of alcohol, drugs, murders, gangs of thieves, their crime, the leadership of the security forces is in their hands and not only. And the main thing is that they eliminate Russian teenagers from single-parent or dysfunctional families through teenage companies run by mafiosi, by force and various tricks, threats, keeping them close to them, forcing them to drink alcohol and drugs, to table games, illegal casinos, taking away their housing, commit crimes under threat. In Armavir, a memorial plaque of their idol Garegin Nzhdeh hung near the Armenian church for several years, when they began to wonder who he was; he turned out to be an Armenian fascist, like Bender among the Ukrainians. Even the court did not help with its decision to remove this board; everyone was afraid. Deputy Vinogradov decided to remove him, so the Armenians terrorized him, intimidated him, it was useless to contact the Russian security forces, they did not want to spoil relations with their breadwinners, so he turned to the Azerbaijanis, now it seems quiet. Armenians always try to influence the political climate of the Krasnodar region by placing their loyalists in leadership positions. They really didn’t like Governor Tkachev, no matter how much they spread rumors about him. In Armavir, Gerashchenko was appointed mayor, the man graduated from the financial academy, so he turned out to be very dangerous for Armavir, where many people conduct double accounting, and people leave because... They are afraid to live there; it is those who really know the situation. They began to spread various inappropriate rumors about him through the Armenian population, and in the end they got rid of him, installed their own, and calmed down.
    And we started about Kondratiev, but realized that it wouldn’t work, now about the mayor of Sochi Kopaigorodskov, because... it was proposed to give Sochi completely to the federal center, because the city is almost entirely supported by the country, not the region. This is very unprofitable for those who have plans for those lands that bring huge profits. Where the leader is Armenian, there is corruption, theft, fraud, the director of the Armavir College, an Armenian, was removed for lawlessness, fraud, bribes, the rector of the Armavir Pedagogical University, Galustov, was removed for illegally taking office, lawlessness, fraud, bribes. To cover up his illegal entry into this position, for which Krasnodar was paid 1 million rubles. from the Armenian diaspora, to distract people, they organized a fire, in 2012 the Armavir Pedagogical University burned down, look on the Internet, valuable documents burned, but before the fire, a day or two before the fire, new equipment was brought out, computers for the institute, people saw and noticed everything. Ten years later, someone betrayed Galustov, he was removed, he was not convicted, and now he reigns supreme and leads in the Armenian diaspora. Armenians are Untouchable. Whoever complains about them will be in big trouble, if only he could survive. These are genetic criminals. The FSB of Armavir is under their influence. They are not afraid of anything, but they are cautious. Smart scum, resourceful, sophisticated in crimes, talented artists and liars. They are good for their country. But not for Russia. Be in a normal relationship, nothing more. A Russian person is completely different, he does not understand them, perceives them incorrectly, does not know their mentality, and often finds himself a loser.
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  79. 0
    17 September 2023 20: 41
    How intensely Armenia provoked the Russian Federation to enter into a war against Azerbaijan and Turkey, and if it didn’t work out, then you get another source of tension. Armenia will rely on the Americans to strengthen its position in the Krasnodar region, in which it is trying to muddy the waters, and to secretly take power into its own hands together with representatives of the fifth column in this region.