Why maternity capital will not save Russia from a demographic catastrophe

The question of capital increase

Group of deputies and senators made a bill has been submitted to the State Duma that proposes to increase the amount of maternity capital. Thus, it is planned to issue 756 thousand rubles for the first child. It is proposed, starting from February 1, 2024, in the event of the birth or adoption of a second child, to allocate 1 million rubles. The same amount for the third and subsequent children.

The explanatory note notes that most parents spent mother's capital on the purchase of housing. But since 2022, it has risen in price significantly. This measure will also improve the demographic situation in Russia ("Demographic catastrophe in Russia").

In general, the idea is good, maternity capital (of course, it is better to call it parental so as not to belittle the role of fathers) needs to be increased. At the same time, it was most reasonable to use it to solve the main problem of young and other low-income families (and there are already a majority of those in the Russian Federation) - housing. So, with the birth of their first child, parents are given an interest-free loan to buy an apartment or house. The loan size is determined by prices in a particular region. With the birth of the first child - minus a third of the amount, the second - minus 70%, and with the birth of the third - minus 100% of the amount. At the birth of subsequent children, maternity capital is used to improve living conditions.

It is also necessary to include a family car in this parental capital. Taking into account the deterioration of the country’s transport connectivity - a decrease in the aviation fleet, problems with the revival of the domestic aviation and the development of railways, optimization of a developed network of public transport, municipal and rural - then having a family car program clearly does not hurt. Plus the development of the domestic automotive industry.

Such measures will clearly help increase the birth rate in the country. The state will show that it is interested in the reproduction and increase in the number of the indigenous population of Russia.

However, we must understand that in order to significantly solve this problem and a complex of others (the health of the nation, drunkenness, the problem of poverty and poverty, education, culture, science, migrants, national security, etc.), a radical turn in the entire policy of the state is necessary. We need an image of the future, since it was not possible to become “bourgeois”, project development aimed at the revival of the Russian world - Great Russia.

Without an image of the future based on Russian civilizational codes - justice-truth, living according to conscience, love of humanity, brotherhood of peoples - the problem cannot be solved.

In particular, with the beginning of the military campaign in Ukraine, the birth rate in the Russian Federation, which was already in the red, dropped sharply. Why? People do not see the future of the country, and the child is the future. And since there is no future, then people begin to live one day at a time.

Abortion problem

Another problem affecting demographics and the health of the nation is abortion. Not long ago, there was a lot of controversy surrounding Health Minister Mikhail Murashko’s proposal to limit abortions.

It is also necessary to understand here that we first need to decide in which global project we are embedding? What kind of family do we need?

If we remain part of a Western global project that leads to a “brave new world” - a digital concentration camp, then, in fact, nothing needs to be done. You can continue to imitate caring for the people. The Western project is essentially cannibalistic. There are a lot of people on the planet, it is necessary to reduce their birth rate so that it is clean and beautiful. Therefore, the rapid extinction of the peoples of the white race, including the Russian superethnos, fits into the plans of global architects.

The destruction of the familyRussian World optimization), refusal to bear children, life for oneself, for the sake of pleasure and consumption, are consistently destroying national states, including Russia, step by step. The owners of TNCs, TNB and the global golem of bureaucracy are building a “new Babylon”.

There is no future for Russian civilization and the superethnos of Russian-Russians in such a project. A couple of generations, and we will see the ethnographic material of Russian-speaking people, from which it will be possible to mold anything. As of today's Ukrainians - by blood and origin of Russian-Little Russians, from which you can sculpt anyone, even Poles, even Americans and other Australians.

Hence the bells ring when they try to throw Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol out of the school curriculum. Officials, building the Russian Federation into a world concentration camp, are gradually canceling the Russian history and culture.

As for abortion, you should know that this is not only a blow to the reproduction of the nation, but also a multi-billion dollar business. The “Golden Calf” rules the world and the Russian Federation. Tens of billions of rubles for abortions, drugs and IVF for women who have become infertile due to abortions. These are the profits of pharmaceutical corporations. Corruption schemes between officials, healthcare workers and Big Pharma.

At the same time, such legislative norms are violated: pre-abortion counseling is not carried out; a mandatory “week of silence” has not been introduced (abortions are performed immediately, on the day of treatment); the deadlines for allowing abortions are violated (criminal abortions); There is illegal circulation of drugs for abortion by doctors without a license. Moreover, the drugs are brought illegally from abroad, are of dubious quality and have strong side effects on women’s health.

Obviously, in such a situation, at a minimum, it is necessary to ban abortions in private clinics and remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system. This will reduce the number of abortions by some estimates by 50-60%. Plus, it is necessary to strengthen psychological work with pregnant women. Thus, a week of silence leads to up to 50% of women changing their minds and leaving the child.

But the main thing is that all such measures must be part of state policy in the interests of the nation and the state. Nowadays, we are still the raw material and cultural periphery of the West and East, still without our own development project.

Comments

[Stas157]

. Most parents spent their mother's capital on buying a home.

And what kind of housing can you buy with it? You can't buy a car for this! And on a mortgage, you can only close the interest. And that's just a part. Because they are predatory.

A million sounds cool. But chronic inflation and devaluation has long made many ordinary Russians into millionaires. We live well! There is plenty of money ... though there is nothing to buy with them. Almost like in the 90s.

[Nastia makarova]

in the regions, an apartment costs 3-4 million, and give you a Mercedes car? enough for seven

[Stas157]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

in regions 3-4 million

Dead or new building? Young people want a new building! Calculate how much it costs with repairs at current prices.
And what does 3-4 million have to do with it, if they give (are going to) only one? Will you add the rest (preferably for a new building)?

Quote: Nastia Makarova

enough for seven

Seven has not been produced for a long time. And the Muscovite? Can I take simple Chinese?

[Doccor18]

Quote: Stas157

. And the Muscovite? Can I take simple Chinese?

Judging by its price, it’s not a “Muscovite” at all ...
As for materiel and apartments, at the dawn of this program, indeed, many families gave birth to a second child in order to buy housing in the countryside for 450 thousand (prices then allowed). But then everything ... Now, not only in the countryside, but also in the regional centers, fashion is leaving, because there is no work, which means there are no prospects. And in the regional centers, a rundown used kopeck piece costs five to six million, but I won’t say anything about new buildings at all. This is how much mother capital is needed, even a million each? Oh yes, there is a "blessed" mortgage ...

[Doccor18]

since it was not possible to become “bourgeois”

Well, it depends on who...

justice-truth, life according to conscience, philanthropy, brotherhood of peoples

Just don’t tell this to the “bourgeois”, they’ll laugh.

..to remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system.

How to withdraw? You know that now compulsory medical insurance is the “king of all medicine”, and you “take it out”. “You are speaking apolitically, dear”...

still without its own development project.

It’s been 30 years since there’s been a project called capitalism. There is no other way, and there is no other option in the foreseeable future.

[dmi.pris1]

Here are the prices for housing in a rural area, a remote area in the Kuban. From two lyams, home ownership with a plot, and either a major overhaul is required, or demolition and construction of a new house. And young people no longer need a rusty seven - they see and perfectly understand everything that is happening in the country. About abortions ... The ban will not give anything. What to do? Can a woman pay extra to give birth, and not kill a child?

[Nastia makarova]

they don’t need seven, let them walk, for 2 you can get an old normal house, but give them a new building in Krasnodar

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Until the village rejoices, the birth rate will not increase. At least shower everyone with money.

[spektr9]

they don’t need seven, let them walk, for 2 you can get an old normal house, but give them a new building in Krasnodar

Oh, dear hurray, you are announcing a new presidential program until 2030, interesting, but somehow no different from the old one

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

they don’t need seven, let them walk, for 2 you can get an old normal house, but give them a new building in Krasnodar

Have you lived at least one winter using wood or coal for heating?
An eccentric who took a female nickname?
Have you at least once chopped 3 lawns of firewood in the fall?
Have you ever lit a stove?
Have you ever seen a salary in the village? Somewhere in the north of the Orenburg region, in the village of Zerkala or Saray-Gir?
Isolated from the realities of life, bot...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Doccor18

And in the regional centers, a rundown second-hand kopeck piece costs five to six million rubles.

It is in what regional centers such prices for seedy kopeck piece?
Probably in the centers of the Leningrad and Moscow regions

[Doccor18]

Quote: bot.su

Probably in the centers of the Leningrad and Moscow regions

In these from eight...

Quote: bot.su

What is this in

Yes, in large ones, in Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Novosibirsk... You can, of course, try and get it for four (depending on the area), but then you will have to invest in major repairs, and that’s another million and a half to two... And in two-story wooden and for two and a half...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Doccor18

Yes, in large ones, in Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Novosibirsk...

I easily found two-room apartments in Ekata and Nizhny for 3-3,5 million. There are also two-room apartments, but really in two-story buildings. But 6-8 million is already the level of new buildings.

[RMT]

Kopeck piece in Ekata for 3.5? Or killed in the trash on a distant outskirts, or two rooms in a hostel, misunderstood called an apartment

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Doccor18

Quote: bot.su

Probably in the centers of the Leningrad and Moscow regions

In these from eight...

Quote: bot.su

What is this in

Yes, in large ones, in Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Novosibirsk... You can, of course, try and get it for four (depending on the area), but then you will have to invest in major repairs, and that’s another million and a half to two... And in two-story wooden and for two and a half...

Two-story, wooden?
Where are the rats bigger than the dogs?
Where does it come through from all the cracks?
Where are the neighbors, drug addicts and drunken alcoholics?
Do you want young people to start with this?
Really a bot, out of touch with reality.

[DrVintorez]

for example in Yekaterinburg. a two-room apartment in a house built in the mid-80s, in “good” condition (not in the center!) is at least 5 million.

[AdAstra]

For five years there the condition will be “satisfactory” and you need to invest.

[nerd.su]

Quote: DrVintorez

In Ekaterinburg. two-room apartment in a house built in the mid-80s, in “good” condition

we were talking about a run-down second-hand apartment. Seedy, this word seems to directly hint that the condition is “satisfactory”. Or even “unsatisfactory.”

[SovAr238A]

Quote: bot.su

Quote: Doccor18

And in the regional centers, a rundown second-hand kopeck piece costs five to six million rubles.

It is in what regional centers such prices for seedy kopeck piece?
Probably in the centers of the Leningrad and Moscow regions

What about Samara, Chelyabinsk, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Tyumen, Surgut???
Have you looked at the prices?
There is no need to show a ghetto, such as the Koshelev project, in Samara.
This is the Ghetto!
Gypsy-Churek ghetto.

[builder]

In regional centers, a “shabby used two-room apartment” costs 2,5 million. For starters, you can get a studio for 2 in a new building. There is no need to try for a beautiful word.

[Cartographer]

Quote: builder

In regional centers, a “shabby used two-room apartment” costs 2,5 million. For starters, you can get a studio for 2 in a new building. There is no need to try for a beautiful word.

With all due respect, did you live in a studio? A single bachelor could live there, not a young family

[hagen]

Quote: Doccor18

And in regional centers, a run-down second-hand two-room apartment costs five or six million, but I won’t say anything about new buildings at all.

In Chelyabinsk, quite tolerable apartments are offered at 100-120 tr per square meter ... As a rule, when buying, the price can be significantly reduced. You can buy apartments on the 0th cycle with settlement in 2-3 years. I myself bought a kopeck piece in St. Petersburg for 3,5 in this way. Only in our time they did not offer either lemon or anything else. Your parents also gave birth to you at not the most satisfying time without materkapitals. I think that the problem of demography is very multifaceted and only narrow-minded people can talk about it in terms of maternal capital and abortion.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Hagen

In Chelyabinsk, quite tolerable apartments are offered at 100 -120 tr per meter...

And for 45-50 meters it will be the same 4,5-6 million...

Quote: Hagen

Your parents also gave birth to you in a difficult time without maternal capital.

My parents gave birth to me in a completely different country, in which the state provided free housing for good work, for having a family, for having children.

Quote: Hagen

I think that the problem of demography is very multifaceted and we can only talk about it in terms of maternity capital and abortion.

Of course, not just apartments/abortions, but... it seems to me that if many women today had hope for a normal future (their own place and real financial support), the number of abortions would seriously decrease. In general, all problems are “in the head”. Someone has been hammering into young and immature minds for decades that “only self-realization is important,” “for money, yes,” “either rich or a loser,” “do you have an iPhone?” etc. and so on.

[Vladimir80]

Someone has been hammering into young and immature minds for decades that “only self-realization is important”, “for money - yes”,

parents, school? or social networks?

[hagen]

Quote: Doccor18

For the birth of children, the state provided free housing.

And you will go deeper into the issue of distribution of free and cooperative housing (for the public’s money). You will learn a lot of new things, especially regarding the provision of housing for the birth of children . Your post suggests that you are not aware of the matter. And what you “seem to be” is just your assumptions, which do not have any statistical confirmation. About the head, the direction of thought seems to me to be more correct, and there are many components here. So far, even the most economically successful countries have not been able to introduce the “fashion for children” to the masses... and they are growing mostly from emigration from (relatively) disadvantaged countries.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Hagen

You will learn a lot of new things, especially regarding the provision of housing for the birth of children

Housing was provided to everyone; this is a fact that cannot be disputed. Yes, some a little faster, some later, depending on the capabilities of the industries in which people worked.

Quote: Hagen

And what you “seem to be” is just your assumptions, which do not have any statistical confirmation

Of course mine. What statistics do you need? Reality and elementary logic suggest that now everything around is hostile to the emergence of a new life: material and housing troubles, problems of education and health maintenance, precariousness of family well-being, professional hopelessness, lack of faith in a happy future, lack or misunderstanding of any goals in life, lack of good guidelines. How to improve demographics under such conditions is simply a phenomenally complex question.

Quote: Hagen

So far, even the most economically successful countries have not been able to introduce the “fashion for children” to the masses...

Failed? Yes, on the contrary, there is the most total brainwashing of the “anti-fashion for children”, and from there the “cancer bullet” of the decomposition of the family institution began.

[hagen]

Quote: Doccor18

Housing was provided to everyone; this is a fact that cannot be disputed. Yes, some a little faster, some later, depending on the capabilities of the industries in which people worked.

In 1980, 105 million square meters were commissioned. Of these, 78 million are state-owned enterprises and organizations, 5,1 million are cooperatives, 16,1 million are by the population at their own expense and with the help of loans, and the rest are collective farms and other public organizations. And you say - to everyone... If you want to say - study the material... About statistics, I’ll tell you that this topic was often discussed by relevant departments with analysis and research. What I mean is that the topic of interest should be studied at least from available sources, and not driven empty “to the topic of the day.”

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Doccor18

And in regional centers, a run-down second-hand two-room apartment costs five or six million, but I won’t say anything about new buildings at all.

In Chelyabinsk, quite tolerable apartments are offered at 100-120 tr per square meter ... As a rule, when buying, the price can be significantly reduced. You can buy apartments on the 0th cycle with settlement in 2-3 years. I myself bought a kopeck piece in St. Petersburg for 3,5 in this way. Only in our time they did not offer either lemon or anything else. Your parents also gave birth to you at not the most satisfying time without materkapitals. I think that the problem of demography is very multifaceted and only narrow-minded people can talk about it in terms of maternal capital and abortion.

Don’t remember stories about defrauded shareholders?
Just at the zero cycle?
I was once planning to buy a house in 2004-2005, but a couple of properties have not yet been built...
Ага.
Samara.
Vilonovskaya-Samara....
One of the bottom

[hagen]

Quote: SovAr238A

I was once planning to buy a house in 2004-2005, but a couple of properties have not yet been built...

And I bought it. I waited until it was put into operation, carried out the interior finishing... I sold it with a double increase. Now I’m building a new one in a more favorable area. And they deceive, as a rule, where people are happy to be deceived themselves and are greedy for a “freebie”. But this is not absolute. I think it’s not a bad idea to study your partner’s history before signing an agreement. I'm lucky so far

[Cartographer]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Doccor18

And in regional centers, a run-down second-hand two-room apartment costs five or six million, but I won’t say anything about new buildings at all.

In Chelyabinsk, quite tolerable apartments are offered at 100-120 tr per square meter ... As a rule, when buying, the price can be significantly reduced. You can buy apartments on the 0th cycle with settlement in 2-3 years. I myself bought a kopeck piece in St. Petersburg for 3,5 in this way. Only in our time they did not offer either lemon or anything else. Your parents also gave birth to you at not the most satisfying time without materkapitals. I think that the problem of demography is very multifaceted and only narrow-minded people can talk about it in terms of maternal capital and abortion.

For example, already in the USSR in the 70s-80s I rarely met families with children more than 2. This is for us, Russians. In rural areas and in the Caucasus and Central Asia, the indicators are different.

[Doctor]

As for materiel and apartments, at the dawn of this program, indeed, many families gave birth to a second child in order to buy housing in the countryside for 450 thousand (prices then allowed). But then everything ... Now, not only in the countryside, but also in the regional centers, fashion is leaving, because there is no work, which means there are no prospects. And in the regional centers, a rundown used kopeck piece costs five to six million, but I won’t say anything about new buildings at all. This is how much mother capital is needed, even a million each? Oh yes, there is a "blessed" mortgage ...

Just for fun, let's estimate.

The cost of a good apartment is 5 million rubles or 50 thousand dollars.

1 apartments - 000 billion dollars.
On those 300 yards that were frozen, 6 million apartments could be built.

And move 25 million people - young families - into new housing.

I think the demographic problem would be solved in 10 years.

PS Now it just dawned on me - these are 25 million-plus cities!
If I'm not wrong in my calculations...

[Doccor18]

Quote: Arzt

6 million apartments could be built.

These apartments could be built in less than three years. Just three! years and forgot about mortgages...
(126 million sq. m. of housing were commissioned in 2022.)

[Doctor]

6 million apartments could be built.

These apartments could be built in less than three years. Just three! years and forgot about mortgages...
(126 million sq. m. of housing were commissioned in 2022.)

Yes, even stretched.
Adopt a law - families with 3 or more children will receive a free apartment on social rent for 25 years, followed by privatization.

A family of 5 people - 30 million young people - 30 million-plus cities.

Okay, let’s reduce the sturgeon by 2 times, in addition to housing we need maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, universities, hospitals, morgues, the mayor’s office and a prison again (where would we be without them? ).

15 MILLION CITIES. FIFTEEN, DAMN, CARL!
IN THE FAR EAST INCLUDING!

Instead, they will go to increase the enemy’s military potential.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Arzt

Okay, let's reduce the sturgeon by 2 times, in addition to housing, we need maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, universities, hospitals, morgues, the mayor's office and a prison again (where would we be without them).

Yes, if there is a desire... There will be opportunities.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Arzt

6 million apartments could be built.

These apartments could be built in less than three years. Just three! years and forgot about mortgages...
(126 million sq. m. of housing were commissioned in 2022.)

Yes, even stretched.
Adopt a law - families with 3 or more children will receive a free apartment on social rent for 25 years, followed by privatization.

A family of 5 people - 30 million young people - 30 million-plus cities.

Okay, let’s reduce the sturgeon by 2 times, in addition to housing we need maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, universities, hospitals, morgues, the mayor’s office and a prison again (where would we be without them? ).

15 MILLION CITIES. FIFTEEN, DAMN, CARL!
IN THE FAR EAST INCLUDING!

Instead, they will go to increase the enemy’s military potential.

The first people who learn about all kinds of benefits are the gypsies and other asocial people, I want to write rabble.
Who have never worked anywhere and do not work.
And they receive pensions of 1000-2000 rubles, lower than those who worked all their lives as a paramedic in the village or as a controller at a foundry.
Go to hell with such proposals.
Only those who worked and were not engaged in budding or scattering larvae throughout the country should receive apartments for free.

[Doctor]

6 million apartments could be built.

These apartments could be built in less than three years. Just three! years and forgot about mortgages...
(126 million sq. m. of housing were commissioned in 2022.)

Yes, even stretched.
Adopt a law - families with 3 or more children will receive a free apartment on social rent for 25 years, followed by privatization.

A family of 5 people - 30 million young people - 30 million-plus cities.

Okay, let’s reduce the sturgeon by 2 times, in addition to housing we need maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, universities, hospitals, morgues, the mayor’s office and a prison again (where would we be laughing without them).

15 MILLION CITIES. FIFTEEN, DAMN, CARL!
IN THE FAR EAST INCLUDING!

Instead, they will go to increase the enemy’s military potential. fool

The first people who learn about all kinds of benefits are the gypsies and other asocial people, I want to write rabble.
Who have never worked anywhere and do not work.
And they receive pensions of 1000-2000 rubles, lower than those who worked all their lives as a paramedic in the village or as a controller at a foundry.
Go to hell with such proposals.
Only those who worked and were not engaged in budding or scattering larvae throughout the country should receive apartments for free.

It's all regulated. Don't forget - social hiring. If they act strange, they will return to the camp.

But.
1. We are sharply increasing the birth rate.
2. We are building new cities and microdistricts in sparsely populated regions. (Siberia Transbaikalia, Far East).
3. We diffusely settle national republics. These are potential Ukraine. By the way, they are the first in line, there are a lot of large families there.
4. We instill love for the Motherland. (Nothing is more instilling than your own home. ).
5. We guarantee a monument to a grateful population during their lifetime.

[Cartographer]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Arzt

6 million apartments could be built.

These apartments could be built in less than three years. Just three! years and forgot about mortgages...
(126 million sq. m. of housing were commissioned in 2022.)

Yes, even stretched.
Adopt a law - families with 3 or more children will receive a free apartment on social rent for 25 years, followed by privatization.

A family of 5 people - 30 million young people - 30 million-plus cities.

Okay, let’s reduce the sturgeon by 2 times, in addition to housing we need maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, universities, hospitals, morgues, the mayor’s office and a prison again (where would we be without them? ).

15 MILLION CITIES. FIFTEEN, DAMN, CARL!
IN THE FAR EAST INCLUDING!

Instead, they will go to increase the enemy’s military potential.

The first people who learn about all kinds of benefits are the gypsies and other asocial people, I want to write rabble.
Who have never worked anywhere and do not work.
And they receive pensions of 1000-2000 rubles, lower than those who worked all their lives as a paramedic in the village or as a controller at a foundry.
Go to hell with such proposals.
Only those who worked and were not engaged in budding or scattering larvae throughout the country should receive apartments for free.

These same gypsies also receive maternity capital

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Arzt

The cost of a good apartment is 5 million rubles or 50 thousand dollars.

It's worth nothing!
Good - what is it?
Housing should not be a luxury, like Mr. Sechin’s for 1 rubles, but functional and rational. For each family member, a small room (even if it’s 000 sq.m.), but its own, is quite enough...
As for the cost of housing, take my word for it, it ranges from 50% to 10% of the retail price, depending on the type of building.
The difference is exactly the same as the price of caught fish and its retail price. It’s just that all costs in a bourgeois society are paid by the consumer.
It was for him that a 20% VAT was introduced, which became outlandish with the 5% GMS tax.

[Doctor]

The cost of a good apartment is 5 million rubles or 50 thousand dollars.

It's worth nothing! fellow
Good - what is it?
Housing should not be a luxury, like Mr. Sechin’s for 1 rubles, but functional and rational. For each family member, a small room (even if it’s 000 sq.m.), but its own, is quite enough...
As for the cost of housing, take my word for it, it ranges from 50% to 10% of the retail price, depending on the type of building.
The difference is exactly the same as the price of caught fish and its retail price. It’s just that all costs in a bourgeois society are paid by the consumer.
It was for him that a 20% VAT was introduced, which became outlandish with the 5% GMS tax.

And what is wrong?
COST PRICE. 5 million. Apartment 100 sq.m. Quite.
Not in Moscow, of course.

But we are killing several birds with one stone.

Stimulating fertility...
We are populating the Far East, Siberia and Transbaikalia... (We will establish the first million-plus people there ).
We are smearing national formations.... (Large families of the Caucasus will go first. )
Only competently. No one village, one entrance for you! We spray, dissolve, assimilate.....

[Petya Kuzmin]

Young people want a new building!

If you look at the "modern" ghetto human settlements, then I would choose a 5-storey Khrushchev building, in which the yard is larger than in the new 20-storey buildings.
In general, we need a program for low-rise construction, instead of ugly human workers.

[Nastia makarova]

It’s better to have at least some apartment than nothing at all, a normal apartment costs 3-4 in Yelets

[AdAstra]

Well, go to Yelets and recommend it to all your family and friends.

[parusnik]

in the regions an apartment costs 3-4 million

It’s even cheaper in subsidized regions, where there are no jobs, don’t you want to live there?

[Sergei_Bely]

A one-room apartment costs from 3 million rubles. And what kind of family are you going to create in a one-room apartment? Childless?
The child needs his own room.
And if two children and children of different sexes? Already 3 rooms minimum. So we come to the conclusion that without work with an adequate salary it is useless to count on an increase in the population of the country's citizens.

[Nastia makarova]

It’s better to have a one-room apartment but have your own than to rent a one-room apartment

[Cartographer]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

It’s better to have a one-room apartment but have your own than to rent a one-room apartment

It's better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick

[valek97]

Kaluga. We bought a new two-room apartment of 64 square meters in 2017 - 1 at the excavation stage, in 890 it costs 2019, in 3 - 200. Building a house on a mortgage without the cost of the plot will cost 2023 million.

[barbos]

Are we talking about the regions of the Arctic Circle? Or in regions with old barracks-type housing? Now the pre-revolutionary ruins of a semi-communal appearance are priced as if they were included in the UNESCO World Heritage List.

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of housing can you buy with it? You can't buy a car for this! And on a mortgage, you can only close the interest. And that's just a part. Because they are predatory.

And how did the people live under tsarism? They didn’t even know the word “mortgage”. And they all had 10 children.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of housing can you buy with it? You can't buy a car for this! And on a mortgage, you can only close the interest. And that's just a part. Because they are predatory.

And how did the people live under tsarism? They didn’t even know the word “mortgage”. And they all had 10 children.

Katya Ivanova, do you know the real level of not the birth rate, but the survival rate?
My great-grandmother gave birth to 12 children.
The village of Islambakhty, present-day Bashkiria.
Two survived.
This is real life.
In the 20-30s of our Soviet era, yes, three died because they threw a grenade into the stove, look...
Late 20s.
That was it.
And the stove was blown apart and the house was destroyed in the winter.
You are just a bot, completely ignorant of life in those years, and just a bot.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of housing can you buy with it? You can't buy a car for this! And on a mortgage, you can only close the interest. And that's just a part. Because they are predatory.

And how did the people live under tsarism? They didn’t even know the word “mortgage”. And they all had 10 children.

Mostly the rural population had 10 children, and only because there was no contraception

[barbos]

Master, how many children do you have? Is the yard big? How many souls are serfs?

[boni592807]

Stas157 (Stas). Today, 05:16. NEW. yours - "...A million sounds cool. But chronic inflation and devaluation have long made many ordinary Russians millionaires. We live well! There is plenty of money... but there is nothing to buy with it. Almost like in the 90s...."

You're right but... let's get back to the question -
"Why won't maternal capital save Russia from a demographic catastrophe."
Please check. who prevails in births of children in maternity hospitals of the Russian Federation!?
For example -

1. THIS IS THE HISTORY OF THE QUESTION
Anatoly Uralov - Migrants in maternity hospitals in Russia
Archive:
No. 9 September 2014. http://russdom.ru/node/7944

Undoubtedly, Russia needs to solve its demographic problems. But not at the expense of the fruits of migrant workers’ love...
...In recent years, the Moscow region has become a Mecca for visitors from all over the vast CIS. .... For representatives of eastern nationalities who have flooded the region, contraception still remains an unknown concept and in conflict with religious beliefs. The result is that an endless rain of the fruits of migrant workers’ love falls on hospitals, children’s homes and orphanages near Moscow. Every year it becomes more intense. “Young, full of strength, in love with yourself, without remorse, without shame and regret, but with bad habits.” This is the psychological portrait of migrant women from neighboring countries giving birth in Russia and abandoning their children here.... They most often end up in maternity hospitals near Moscow without documents – the passport is usually taken away by the employer. They come with the first fights from the capital's markets and other illegal labor panels. Moscow hospitals do not accept them without money or registration. A maternity migrant landing party lands in the near Moscow region from the first commuter train.
Mothers from the CIS countries end up in the Mytishchi City Hospital almost every day. Childbirth is invariably followed by abandonment of the child. But they do it differently. Some mothers don’t bother with formalities: they leave the birth and run away. Others are discharged from the hospital with the child, and a couple of days later they drop him off at the doorstep of the maternity hospital. The most “conscious” ones write a refusal. ... The child is transferred to a children’s “infectious diseases” unit for testing and treatment, since all mothers arrive with terrible infections, some with HIV, or drunkards, some are drug addicts.... No sane specialist can vouch for the impeccable genetics of these children. Often, visiting unfortunate parents reward their unwanted children with a whole bunch of diseases and congenital defects. Please note that in a couple of decades these children will become full members not of “theirs”, but of our society...
Moscow doctors have long been accustomed to the fact that many residents of the former Soviet republics, and now sovereign states, have adopted the fashion of giving birth only in Russia. Some are brought by their husbands or relatives. What to do if Russian medicine, even with all its current troubles and problems, is highly rated among our former compatriots. ... After all Everyone has long known that free medicine no longer exists. Нno hospital can refuse assistance to women in labor, especially since ambulances often pick them up on the street.... But this mother’s treatment costs a pretty penny, which drains from the hospital’s meager account.
However, it's not just about the money. 40% of women admitted to the maternity wards of these hospitals - the so-called social unfavorable contingent: alcoholics, drug addicts, patients with syphilis, AIDS, scabies and other infections. Without documents and, naturally, without insurance....Today most Russians in their right mind and strong memory, they give birth to no more than one or two children, that is, at best, they reproduce themselves. The birth rate is falling due to total poverty and uncertainty about the future. But Russia cannot correct the situation, provide social protection, or support its people financially. Or doesn't he want to? They don’t even pay out ridiculously large child benefits, on which you can’t even live a day. But billions are spent on foreigners who, according to doctors, will live, but will not let us live.
Nevertheless, medical institutions in Russian regions provide full medical care to emergency patients. ... and as a result... they themselves pay for the treatment. Why? Because insurance companies pay for treatment only for insured patients, and hospitals pay for the rest. And there are many, many of them...

2. AND NOW ON MATERNITY CAPITAL
SOCIETY - The State Duma proposed tightening the rules for paying maternity capital to migrants. September 8, 2023, 02:00. https://iz.ru/1570498/2023-09-08/v-gosdume-predlozhili-uzhestochit-pravila-vyplat-matkapitala-migrantam
"...“We have to admit that migrants are currently making it a priority to receive maternity capital for children who did not have Russian citizenship at the time of birth. They come to Russia, gradually bring their family, and the state pays them hundreds of thousands of rubles in the form of maternity capital. For one, two, three - for everyone who was born in other countries. I don’t think it should be like this,” — explained the reason for the development of the bill by its author, the head of the “A Just Russia - For Truth” faction, Sergei Mironov. According to him, this situation creates a high burden on the budget, so it needs to be radically changed.

3. OBTAINING RF CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH
...BECOMING A CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON THE BASIS OF AFILIATION - According to current legislation, become a full citizen of Russia every migrant can if one of the conditions is met: Birth of a child.
.......
OBTAINING CITIZENSHIP OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FOR A CHILD BASED ON BIRTH IN RUSSIA
A child automatically becomes a full citizen of the country if, at the time of his birth, the following requirements are met:
...OBTAINING THE STATUS OF A FULL CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ON THE BASIS OF A BRANCH FOR CITIZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AND PERSONS WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP
Obtaining Russian citizenship for a child is a procedure that is only possible if both foreign parents agree to grant the minor the status of a Russian citizen.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of housing can you buy with this?

I agree with you - no! But I have a question - why doesn’t “business” take part in resolving the housing issue of its employees? Why should only the state take care of this? The state should leave state workers. enterprises.
Every large private enterprise must provide housing for its employees. Singles - a one-room apartment, a family with one child - a two-room apartment, with two children - a three-room apartment. And if the children are of different sexes, then a four-room apartment.
Otherwise, they have money for yachts, private planes, 3-5 cars, for girls with “reduced social responsibility,” but not for solving the pressing life problems of their employees.
And mate. capital is needed to solve completely different problems. The bourgeoisie made it so that a child became a very expensive pleasure for parents, even for those for whom the housing problem is not so acute.

[Scipio]

But migrants breed like rabbits and specially come to give birth in Russia. Put things in order in the country, let people begin to feel confident in the future. Introduce new programs to support families, but only for the local population. Visitors should not enjoy such benefits, it should be a privilege only for locals.
And generally no buns for migrants!!!

[Vladimir80]

no benefits for migrants!!!

I agree, the main problem is that migrants quickly become our fellow citizens and receive equal rights with us...

[Scipio]

Upstairs, someone stubbornly promotes the interests of migrants + corruption. Citizenship is easily bought. You need to conduct something like a trial period. If any violation of the law is committed within 10 years, citizenship will be revoked and a kick in the ass to your homeland

[Doccor18]

Quote: Vladimir80

get equal rights with us...

Are you a member of a diaspora that can help physically, morally, legally, financially in unforeseen circumstances? Seems to me that it doesn't. So we are no longer quite equal ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Doccor18

in the diaspora, which can help physically, morally, legally, financially in unforeseen circumstances?

In the diaspora, they will support their visitor, place them, and provide them with work. And if he committed a crime - his lawyer and a ransom (Money to the victim. I saw it myself). If they come, they will protect. If the business decides to stir up, they will prompt someone to give a paw, let them down to the lured officials. Diasporas even have their own policemen. They send their youth to study at the police school with subsequent employment. And it turns out that anyone in the diaspora has a powerful organization behind his back. And how can our simple, unnecessary Vasya compete with this?

[Gomunkul]

And how can our simple, useless Vasya compete with this?

It is possible that the mass relocation of migrants to the Russian Federation will serve as an impulse that will finally give our people the realization that it is time to unite following the example of diasporas. The core of the new ideology should be the principle: “Russian help Russian!”
The Jews understood this long ago and follow this:

“Do not give to your brother (the Jew) any silver, or bread, or anything else that can be given at interest; Give to a foreigner (not a Jew) at interest, so that the Lord your God will bless you in everything that is done with your hands in the land where you are going to possess it.” — Deuteronomy 23:19, 20.

[Non-fighter]

Diaspora. The first thing that comes to mind is a lawyer on social issues, perhaps on a salary. A specialist, a professional who knows our legislation, who is entitled to what benefits, what else can be obtained and what documents are needed, where to get them, will check that there are no errors, and everything will work out on the first try. And no violation of the law!!!
You, Russian Vanya, are an amateur. There are stands hanging for you, read, run and collect documents. The first time they will not be accepted, something is wrong or missing. The second time the documents will be accepted, but returned after a month with a list of errors. Will you go further in this circle for the third or fourth time? All that remains for you is to accumulate proletarian hatred for these “new Russians”.

[barbos]

The answer is similar to what is happening in Europe. There are also a lot of migrants there. It is beneficial for the authorities and big business. Very profitable. While you are hanging out and being stingy with the visitors, while they are slowly taking your places and not just the workers, you are busy fighting and are not distracted by what is important. In addition, become more accommodating. Therefore, under such a movement, you can push through unpopular decisions and go about your business without worrying too much.
Migrants are very beneficial for pacifying their population. Although big business has nothing to offer other than profit.

[barbos]

Is it when, after acquiring citizenship, they immediately run to apply for a permit to acquire and carry it, but don’t even think about registering with the military?

[hagen]

Quote: Scipio

But migrants breed like rabbits

Wow, migrants are multiplying... Obviously, they haven’t heard about abortion, and the maternity capital is dimensionless ... Oh yes. They have a bad time with light, so they have nothing to do

[boni592807]

Scipio (Igor). Today, 05:21. NEW. yours - "...But migrants breed like rabbits and specially come to give birth in Russia. Bring order to the country let people begin to feel confident in the future. Introduce new programs to support families, but only for the local population. ..."

You are absolutely right!!!
But. let's FORMULATE THE ESSENCE CORRECTLY. including the question you asked!!!
NOT LOCAL. and the INDIGENOUS POPULATION (INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THE RF and local INDIGENOUS!!!
And so, even with the “skillful” management of the process, the Russian Federation is OVERFULL with the so-called. "compatriots" (at best, they don’t know the state language of the Russian Federation. They don’t know AT ALL!!! And often see the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB of the Russian Federation are Russophobes. criminals and terrorists... .).
Although the question is simple. like 5 kopecks. There should be a LAW ON REPATRIATION (the return to the RF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES of the current RF).
At various stages, all attempts to RETURN COMMON SENSE fail.
WHY!?
Why is the law on the repatriation of compatriots not being adopted?
20:00, 28 December 2021. https://materik.ru/analitika/pochemu-ne-prinimayut-zakon-o-repatriac/
...— ZHello, friends. In the studio of Radio “Komsomolskaya Pravda” Ivan Pankin, in touch via Skype is Alexander Kots, special correspondent of “Komsomolskaya Pravda”. Also in the studio is Konstantin Zatulin, First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots, as well as Director of the Institute of CIS Countries. Konstantin Fedorovich, hello.
K. Zatulin: - Hello.
I. Pankin: - We'll talk about Why don’t they pass the law on the repatriation of compatriots, the author of which you are. What is the problem? – I’m asking you this question right away.
K. Zatulin:- Well, I define these problems in my own way. I think the problems lie in rigidity and prejudice. In the reluctance, generally speaking, to respond to parliamentary initiatives when it comes to serious changes in the practice of our work with compatriots. Well, more specifically, on June 11 of this year, still in the previous composition of the State Duma, at the end of its work, I introduced a bill on repatriation to the Russian Federation to the Duma. In the last Duma, it no longer had any temporary chance of being considered. I did this deliberately, so that I would have time to get used to the idea that I would have to discuss this topic. I immediately sent it out unofficially—that is, I didn’t send it out officially, but on my own behalf—to ministries, departments, and to Deputy Prime Minister Golikova, who heads our Government Commission on Migration Policy....And soon responses began to arrive. The response from the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in matters of migration was negative . Responses from other ministries were also included. All sorts of amazing arguments. Perhaps, nThe most striking was the response from the Ministry of Finance. First Deputy Minister of Finance Gornin (this review is before my eyes) wrote in his review on June 30: "There is no concept of “Russian compatriots” in the legislation of the Russian Federation.”
That is I called my law the Law on Repatriation. It, of course, concerns our compatriots. Indeed, in our legislation (this is important, I wanted to change this) there is no term “repatriation” at all; we are introducing it for the first time, and we are doing it on purpose. But as for compatriots, I apologize, if the Deputy Minister of Finance does not know that since 1999 we have had the Law “On State Policy towards Compatriots Abroad” - there is a definition of who compatriots are - then he at least I should know that last year a special amendment was made to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (by the way, I was the author of this amendment). Now there is a mention in Chapter 3 that the constitutional duty of the Russian Federation is to maintain ties with its compatriots. Precisely with Russian compatriots, and not with anyone else.
But with the beginning of the activity of our Duma, to which I was re-elected, the law entered our committee as a specialized law. And our committee, through the Council of the State Duma, sent it to all authorities. That is, the official consideration of the law has already begun. It was sent out in order to receive feedback and then decide whether to put it on the first reading or not. Last week we received an official response from the government, this time it was signed by the head of the government apparatus, Deputy Prime Minister Grigorenko. This review is negative.

[Non-fighter]

Zatulin is a projector, he only knows how to chat.
In principle, the government was right. Your proposal contains a clear legal mechanism for separating "Russian compatriots" from "natives" of the same Central Asian countries. former republics of the USSR? I suspect not, otherwise you would have written about it. In the end, 30 years have passed, those who were 1990 in 20 are now over 50. Here it is already necessary to think about pensions. Their children? Do you want to say that in a hostile environment they remained mentally Russian? I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!

[parusnik]

Hence the bells and whistles when they try to throw Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol out of the school curriculum. Officials, embedding the Russian Federation in the world concentration camp, are gradually canceling Russian history and culture.

And who does it? Probably the "fifth column". It was she who worsened the country's transport connectivity - reduced the aviation fleet, created problems with the revival of domestic aviation and the development of railways, optimized the developed network of public transport, municipal and rural. Her handiwork.

[AA17]

...Probably the “fifth column”...

+ 100.
And this elusive "fifth column" carried out an effective pension reform, which after that the number of pensioners in Russia is rapidly declining.
This unknown “fifth column” successfully optimized healthcare, after which the number of private clinics grew like mushrooms after heavy rain.
I don't even want to talk about the fact that this disguised "fifth column" buried Russian engineering, the electronics industry, etc..
But the most important thing is that “someone” in power believes that this “fifth column” is very effective and successful and will be able to restore what it itself has been destroying for more than 20 years. This is probably true, because this “fifth column” has stopped showing its income. I think he is ashamed of his poverty.

[Sergei_Bely]

I read the article. It can be seen that the author is a bright person.
The problem is that the citizens of the Russian Federation remember how the officials spoke and no one gave them a hand. And they said the following: "We did not call you to give birth."
This is the paradigm of bureaucracy in Russia.
We need as many people as officials can control.

In essence, if the state were to increase the growth of the birth rate of the indigenous population, then this is difficult to do, but at the moment it is not being done at all.
1. Destruction of corruption and corrupt officials.
2. Construction of a sufficient number of enterprises, where there would be 25 million high-performance jobs based on equipment manufactured in Russia from components manufactured in Russia. There will be adequate salaries - maternity capital will not be needed. After all, in fact, this capital is a way to lure into bondage for 15 or even 25 years a person who will not live, but will try to pay% to loan sharks from banks.
3. Construction of a sufficient number of kindergartens and schools, training of qualified personnel. Increasing the salaries of the staff of institutions to an adequate decent level.
4. Rejection of the digital gulag. That level of digitalization is enough. Enough.
5. Solutions to the issue of migration. By law, it should be possible to invite a migrant at a competitive salary and the employer should be obliged to provide a quality of life for him and his family (if the family comes with him) no worse than a citizen. But if there are no such conditions in a particular place of intended residence, then there can be no migrants.
6. Instead of the missing migrants, develop mechanization and automation on the basis of equipment actually produced in Russia.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Sergey_Bely

And they said the following: "We did not call you to give birth."

At least sincerely, they didn't lie.

[Scientist]

Yes, my friend, you are a socialist.

(No longer comment)

[Cartographer]

Quote: Sergey_Bely

6. Instead of the missing migrants, develop mechanization and automation on the basis of equipment actually produced in Russia.

The main niche of work for migrants is construction and trade. What automated equipment do you want to replace them with?

[Vladimir80]

At a minimum, it is necessary to ban abortions in private clinics and remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system

Thanks to Alexander Samsonov!!!
The topic is acute and therefore many bypass it or pretend not to notice it!!!!

[Vladimir80]

Quote: Stas157

And what kind of housing can you buy

no, but we weren't all born on the street, were we? I understand that it is beneficial for developers to introduce the American system here - “when you reach the age of 18, move into rented housing, at 25 years old get a mortgage for 50 years, and your children will receive their own mortgage and live in their own houses, paying off the loan all their lives.”

[Nikolay Malyugin]

There is not enough positivity. You turn on the TV, there is a war, here they are fighting criminals with machine guns. Everywhere there are requests to help sick children. Future mothers see all this. At least not fun, but a show of normal human relationships. The creators of television materials have too many fantasies.

[Soldatov V.]

Well, at least for starters, they would give out a set of clothes and things for the newborn, and jackets or coats for the mother as a gift. They opened dairy kitchens for baby food, even private ones with price controls. To open day care centers with children where mothers can communicate and receive the necessary advice and free lunch. This is especially true for young families, who are usually in cramped circumstances. And help them with housing, give them municipal housing for rent, with benefits like pensioners.
This should be written into the electoral program for candidates for governor.

[Sergei_Bely]

Of course they will write it down, but they will not fulfill their promises like all the rest. You read the promises of a well-known party in the first elections and see what we have today.

[Vladimir80]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

There are too many fantasies among the creators of TV materials

if fantasy...
as one of my acquaintances from the central media said - we have a four C rule: "death, fear, laughter, sex", this is what catches a person and attracts attention, this is what is planted and exploited in mass media and on television, this is a real infection , which came "from there"

[Sergei_Bely]

Experiments have proven that fear increases sales as a person tries to regain at least some control over his life.

[Petya Kuzmin]

According to statistics, 30 million abortions have been performed in Russia over 50 years, and 100 million over 220 years.

[Dimy4]

Alas, everything that is "forbidden" in our modern conditions will only cause an increase in corruption.

[kor1vet1974]

Taking into account the deterioration of the country's transport connectivity - a reduction in the aviation fleet, problems with the revival of domestic aviation and the development of railways, optimization of the developed network of public transport, municipal and rural

[AdAstra]

"Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern - a man and a steamship!" (c) "" ""

[kor1vet1974]

Ivan Fedorovich Krusenstern

mysterious liberal and leader of the fifth column

[runway-1]

Quote: kor1vet1974

Ivan Fedorovich Krusenstern

mysterious liberal and leader of the fifth column

No, half-liberal and half-patriot!

[frog]

State Department agents, obviously. They carried out pension reform, they... reformed education, medicine, the police, the army, etc.... They are selling defense enterprises now, they wrote about it here.... They are also rewriting history. And only the bright Samsonov fights with them.... Tirelessly, tirelessly

[kor1vet1974]

And only the bright Samsonov fights with them.... Tirelessly, tirelessly

You are not fair, he is not the only one, the commentators too

[frog]

Well..... I don’t know.... Although, judging by the depth and richness of some of the authors’ comments, yes, it’s already possible to graduate from backup dancers to frontmen. Quite consistent))

[Gomunkul]

Why maternity capital will not save Russia from a demographic catastrophe

Because in modern Russia the authorities measure absolutely everything with money, as their Western partners taught them to do.
With one hand this government gives money to the people, and with the other it takes it away, creating the illusion of care. The formula: the market will sort everything out has not gone anywhere, economic inequality continues to grow.
What can be offered in return for maternity capital? We need a state program that every Russian family has the right to separate free housing (but only once upon marriage).
Such a program will create a constant demand for housing from the state, state-order construction companies, and an impetus for long-term development of the economy.

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

We need a state program that every Russian family has the right to separate free housing (but only once upon marriage)

More details, please, from now on. First, or any other marriage? If the first, then the first for both, um, partners, or is it possible for only one? Well, and so on...

Quote: Gomunkul

Such a program will create a constant demand for housing from the state, construction companies will order state orders, and the economy will be an impetus for long-term development

Such a program will create a lot of loopholes for obtaining a free (and extremely expensive) product - housing. Which will undoubtedly immediately affect the overall level of corruption. Guess three times which way

[Gomunkul]

More details, please, from now on. First, or any other marriage?

It is the first marriage that, in the event of divorce, the family is deprived of free housing.

Such a program will create a lot of loopholes for obtaining a free (and extremely expensive) product - housing.

Any good idea can be taken to the point of absurdity; in my version, the customer and executor is the state, without intermediaries, as is currently practiced.

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

Quote: Repellent

More details, please, from now on. First, or any other marriage?

It is the first marriage, in case of divorce, the family is deprived of free housing

You are inattentive.

Quote: Repellent

If the first, then the first for both, um, partners, or is it possible for only one? Well, and so on...

Quote: Gomunkul

Any good idea can be taken to the point of absurdity

There is no need to take your “idea” to the point of absurdity, IMHO...

[Gomunkul]

There is no need to take your “idea” to the point of absurdity, IMHO...

You understand the meaning of my proposal. But it is always easier to criticize than to offer; the position of the critic is always a win-win.

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

You understand the meaning of my proposal

No. Well, if you don’t consider the meaning of another wish “for everything good and against everything bad.”

Quote: Gomunkul

It's always easier to criticize than to offer

In this case, it's the other way around. You threw out slogans, and, apparently, considered your mission complete. I’m trying to figure out what the implementation of your, ahem, “ideas” will lead to in real life. And so far I haven't seen anything good.

Quote: Gomunkul

the position of the critic is always a win-win

This is demagoguery. In reality, not a single proposal passes criticism. If you want to offer something, be prepared to defend your, um, ideas.

But it seems that this is not about you.

[Gomunkul]

You threw out slogans, and, apparently, considered your mission complete.

No, this is not a slogan, it was a proposal.
Create a state program to support families, where the state does not act as a partial co-financer of the purchase of housing for a young family, but is both the customer and the executor of the program. Those. builds housing and transfers it in kind to a young family with one condition that the family loses housing in the event of a divorce. This program should encourage young people to create a strong family and have children.

If you want to offer something, be prepared to defend your, um, ideas.

What's the point of defending them in a chat on VO if they remain in the discussion format here?

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

No, it's not a slogan, it was a proposal

This is not a slogan... more precisely, not alone slogan

Quote: Gomunkul

Create a state program to support families

This is the first slogan, and the best. I have no objections to him.

Quote: Gomunkul

The state does not act as a partial co-financer of the purchase of housing for a young family, but is both the customer and the implementer of the program. Those. builds housing and transfers it in kind to a young family

There are already questions. Builds there and so, where and how is it convenient for the state or the family? Probably still to the state? Then co-financing is better - I need housing not where my uncle decided, but where it is more convenient for me. And the kind that I (and not my uncle) like.

By the way, here is one of the potentially corrupt “points” in your “idea” - the one who distributes this free housing can give better, or maybe worse... well, as he wants... this is understandable, I hope?

Quote: Gomunkul

with one condition that the family loses housing in the event of divorce

It won’t work, nothing prevents a couple from being formally married and owning (by the way, about “owning.” Well, okay for now) a free apartment, and at the same time having families “on the side.” To each. The apartment can be sold (yes, by the way. Is it possible or not? What do you think?), or simply rent it out.

Quote: Gomunkul

This program should encourage young people to create a strong family and have children.

It won’t take off, some of the reasons are stated above.

Quote: Gomunkul

Quote: Repellent

If you want to offer something, be prepared to defend your, um, ideas

What's the point of defending them in a chat on VO if they remain in the discussion format here?

What's the point of offering them here, in this case? Well, besides “purely hype”?

[Gomunkul]

What's the point of offering them here, in this case? Well, besides “purely hype”?

And for what?

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

And for what?

Your approach is not original. A stuffing is done, we don’t answer leading questions, we choose the most convenient question to answer, having first pulled it out of the horse-text.

Well, who are you after that?

[Gomunkul]

Your approach is not original. A stuffing is done, we don’t answer leading questions, we choose the most convenient question to answer, having first pulled it out of the horse-text.

You are wrong, in my comment I only proposed one of the options for solving the problem based on the experience that was back in the USSR. Ordinary people received housing. What is bad about this experience in your opinion?

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

What is bad about this experience in your opinion?

We also distort. Not good. Ugly.

The experience is not bad in itself. The bad thing is that in the current conditions this method will not work. Why - I have already explained above.

[Vladimir80]

We need a state program that every Russian family has the right to separate free housing (but only once upon marriage).

Well, you’re an adult, you understand how this will end!
will be built of low quality on the outskirts of the city, and who will go there - that's right, the same new citizens (migrants)!!! because they will not turn up their noses and demand “rivers of milk”, but will live well in their enclave, and the native Russians, until they turn gray, will be foaming at the mouth to prove something and dream...

[Gomunkul]

Well, you’re an adult, you understand how this will end!
will be built of poor quality on the outskirts of the city, and who will go there - that's right, the same new citizens (migrants)

Sorry, I got excited, I was wrong. I won't offer it anymore.
PS In the USSR, there was experience when residential neighborhoods were built with infrastructure inside such a neighborhood (kindergarten, school, children's clinic). I grew up in something like this myself (the apartment was a 2-room apartment, Khrushchev, not Moscow).

[Repellent]

Quote: Gomunkul

In the USSR there was experience when residential areas were built with infrastructure inside such a block (kindergarten, school, children's clinic)

You're exaggerating a bit again. This must be very large quarterso that it has its own school, kindergarten and nursery clinic." Well, or you grew up in some kind of alternative USSR.

According to my memory, in a town of 5-10 thousand residents there were 3-4 kindergartens, 2 schools, 2 clinics (and not a single “specially children’s” one). There were many more than three “quarters” there. 1980, Moscow region. Not Moscow

[Gomunkul]

This must be a very large block so that it has “its own school, kindergarten and children’s clinic.” Well, either you grew up in some kind of alternative USSR.

The house in which I was born and raised was built in 1959, Gorky. At that time it was the outskirts of the region, now it is practically the center.

[Aag]

There is an opinion that some villains are giving contraceptive salaries to Russians...

[Ivan Seversky]

The problem with assistance programs for families with children is that they encourage the least valuable sections of society, who give birth a lot anyway:
1.maternity capital is not bad because it is universal in nature: it is paid to everyone, a critical drawback: maternity capital is paid to migrants for children born before receiving Russian citizenship, despite the fact that this contradicts the decision of the Supreme Court (review of the judicial practice of the Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation from June 22, 2016) and the determination of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of January 25, 2018 N 175-O. Matkapital costs the budget 400 billion rubles. in year.
2.Helping low-income families with children is an example of stupidity cast in granite:
- to receive benefits for a child under 17 years of age in the amount of 7 thousand rubles. per child, you must have an income per family member of less than 14 thousand rubles. per month.
- to receive benefits in the amount of 14 thousand rubles. per child, you must have an income per family member of less than 14 thousand rubles. per month.
The system is “tailored” for migrants, marginalized people and professional unemployed people. Ordinary citizens can receive them only by resigning from a factory/school/store. Benefits cost the budget 1.5 trillion. rub. in year.

At the same time, an ordinary family of “mortgage holders” after the birth of their second child, if there is no grandmother to whom they can hand over the child, remains in a very difficult situation. The childcare benefit for children up to 2 years is only 1.5% of the average salary, from 40 to 1.5 years it is zero. And this family is not low-income, because... the income per family member will be slightly higher than the subsistence level.

[Sergej1972]

A significant part of modern grandmothers are not going to sit with their grandchildren. Many are divorced or widowed, a significant part have their own personal lives, and sexual activity is available.)

[Jacques sekavar]

Stimulating the birth rate with various payments and benefits increased not the birth rate, but the standard of living. And vice versa, the lower the standard of living, the higher the birth rate.
To be convinced of this, it is enough to compare the statistics of population growth in developed state formations and underdeveloped state formations in Africa, Latin America, and Asia.
It follows from this that in order to increase the population and birth rate, it is necessary to increase wages and abolish state pension guarantees.
The first makes it possible to reproduce and support children, and the second entrusts them with the maintenance of elderly parents in the future, and the more children there are in the family, the more secure old age is guaranteed to be.

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: Jacques Sekavar

Stimulating the birth rate with various payments and benefits increased not the birth rate, but the standard of living. And vice versa, the lower the standard of living, the higher the birth rate.

Vice versa! The higher the birth rate, the lower the standard of living.

[Ivan Seversky]

It is not clear what the value of population growth is for the state and society. Let's compare the economic indicators of demographic superpowers: Niger, Somalia, Chad with small children: Japan, South Korea, Singapore. The latter, from the point of view of domestic liberal demographers, are absolutely flawed: they do not import Tajiks and Africans to compensate for the population decline.

The birth rate is declining all over the world, where it is high, especially quickly. According to the UN forecast, by 2084 the world population will increase from 8 to 10.4 billion people and will begin to decline everywhere, even in Africa. According to the same forecast, without migrants, the population of Russia will decrease from 146 to 112 million people. It's not good, but it's not too bad either. This is a given that must be accepted. Measures to increase the birth rate can increase the birth rate primarily among migrants who are on benefits, marginalized people, professional unemployed from certain regions - that is, instead of benefiting, demographic policy brings harm - it contributes to a decrease in the share of “normal” citizens in society.
In Western countries, children are paid much lower payments than the unemployed, based on the consideration that if you are a professional slacker, it is better not to give birth to children born “for money” to the country doing more harm than good (they still give birth, but not so much as they could).

It is much more productive, instead of demographics, to work on increasing labor productivity through the introduction of modern equipment.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ivan Seversky

It is not clear what is the value of population growth for the state and society.

Reducing the burden on the pension fund - times. We have been reduced by raising the age.
A state where there are more young people than old people is more viable militarily - two.

[Arnok]

Obviously, in such a situation, at a minimum, it is necessary to ban abortions in private clinics and remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system. This will reduce the number of abortions by some estimates by 50-60%.

I wonder if they asked the women?
In general, when the state gets under women's skirts, it will not end well.
It is time.
And let's think about where these 50-60% of children will end up whose mothers do not have money for an abortion?
In the trash in a bag? Or to an orphanage?
Talk to your women, well, frankly. How do they feel about this? Or have no one to talk to?

[kor1vet1974]

I wonder if they asked the women?

Who? At Tereshkova's? She is for any hipish.

[cpls22]

Why won't maternal capital save Russia from demographic catastrophe?

- because it's not just about money. It's a matter of a changed mentality.
Why do migrants live in crowds and yet give birth?
Because the mentality is built into mutual assistance of the family, the rejection of individualism for its sake. And here it has become the norm that an indispensable condition for creating “your own family” is in a separate apartment. And this dates back to Soviet times - when separate living space became relatively affordable.
It seems to be good - a new family has sprung off and is developing and growing as it wants. However, such a separation also creates additional difficulties - who will sit with the child, help, be on hand? Should I call grandma? But now she has the same “own” life as the young people who separated. Previously, many things were decided by free kindergartens, but now? You can’t change the mentality back; it takes generations. But with free kindergartens, a young family should have more confidence.

[nikolaevskiy78]

There are a lot of villages, north of MSC, where houses with a full-fledged plot cost from ... 25 thousand to 80 thousand. For 80-90 thousand you can buy even a not so dead specimen. For 450-500 thousand you will already buy a house in the town, but I must add that not just in an urban-type settlement, but in a dying urban type. Buy, buy, what next?

You won't be able to live there with your family. This pleasure is so specific that your wife, if she is not a saint and does not have special skills and habits, will simply leave you. There is practically no work there anywhere. Well, or acquire the skill of a machine operator or feller, or work in a sawmill. But here it is precisely that skill is needed - in the latter case, you will have to work as a team; if you don’t have the skills, you won’t work well together. Otherwise, if there is “income”, then real salaries are + -18-20 thousand.

Therefore, it will not be possible to develop the “outback” with maternal or parental capital - in the best case, if you have housing from your parents, you can change it with an additional payment and a partial mortgage.

In general, the entire capital was initially created for the construction and mortgage housing market with the expectation of relocating people to human settlements in large cities. This is one of the main ideas of the last decade, “type for development”, one might say - the basis of the system. It is difficult to say what will happen to the rest of the territory of 80-85% - in some rural areas north of the MSK, after 180-200 km, there have been more bears than permanent inhabitants for several years now. And, okay, it would be a figure of speech, to give imagery, but no, it’s not an image.

The difficulty here is that these layouts will be difficult to understand for a resident of the same Rostov region, where the situation in economic geography is very different from the north of Tver or Vologda.

[builder]

Another whining article distorting facts.
“In particular, with the beginning of the military campaign in Ukraine, the birth rate in the Russian Federation, which was already in the red, dropped sharply” - complete nonsense, now there is a period of a double demographic hole that arose due to the overlap of the decline in the birth rate during the Great Patriotic War and the decline in the birth rate 90s.
“They are trying to throw Pushkin, Lermontov, Gogol out of the school curriculum” - also nonsense, they were talking about removing questions on the classics from the Unified State Exam.
In general, working out the training manual with a 3 minus.

[hagen]

Obviously, in such a situation, at a minimum, it is necessary to ban abortions in private clinics and remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system. This will reduce the number of abortions by some estimates by 50-60%.

Obviously, these percentages are predicted by the same amateurs on the stated issue as the author.

[canurodes]

The problem of a demographic catastrophe is no longer in the material plane, but essentially in the moral plane, education, family life, social and religious values, etc. When from every box they show you something completely different, but for the most part they instill the opposite of what can go speech Demographic catastrophe in our heads.

[valek97]

What heads? The problem is purely economic! We have a poor country and a flawed economic system! The median salary (often found) of the majority of the population is 26 thousand rubles. The minimum wage per person is 16 thousand rubles. That is, 2 people can economically afford only 1 child and will fall into poverty to the brink of survival! The state does not run ahead and say that we will provide you with money for your child at the minimum wage level! Regardless of status, you work, you don’t work. At least they allocated money for the child. Israel can afford to allocate a minimum wage of up to 18-24 years for the maintenance of a citizen, but we are a rich country - we cannot, everyone is beggars. The problem would be solved if we had real wage growth, and not fake reports.
https://gogov.ru/articles/median-salary

[nikolaevskiy78]

You will laugh, but since September our minimum wage is 20 dollars less than in Kazakhstan. If the rates are recalculated
Not that conversion to currency is the most important indicator, but it also “sort of hints”

[Doccor18]

Quote: nikolaevskiy78

You will laugh

It's been a while since I laughed anymore. It’s time to cry, but your family, colleagues, patients are watching, you can’t afford to become limp and despondent.

[KSVK]

Quote: frog

State Department agents, obviously. They carried out pension reform, they... reformed education, medicine, police, army, etc.... They are selling defense enterprises now, they wrote about it here.... They are also rewriting history.

And it is for them that we will go and vote with a result of 146%!
I’m wondering if anyone doubts that the mayor of Moscow, who has come in large numbers, together with his creatures from the Moscow region, will remain in power? And that the United Nations will again receive a majority in ALL government bodies at the current elections based on “single-member lists”? Oh, yes, there are still “new people” with old holes. At the nursery, the children have grown up. It's time to go to power.

[frog]

What about 146 in total? Indicators should grow steadily))
And what about the governor, so it depends on what kind of guitar you are playing for

[nikolaevskiy78]

Here we must also add a point that is rarely thought about. Although state sociology periodically draws attention to it. This is an interest in life or, as they used to say, "a taste for life." You can choose a lot of epithets here as for any phenomenon of a not quite material plane.

Mostly we write about the material component and this is correct. The family must grow in conditions; you will not raise broilers in the basement. Even a broiler has its own corner. The question is from a slightly different plane.

I recently watched not the best Russian film "Generation Pi" by Pelevin. The film did not convey the book, but there is one caveat - how alive and even reckless segment of advertising, public campaigns, elections was at that time. He was immoral, but he was alive, what can not be taken away. With all the madness of starting capitalism back in 2000-2010, it was just interesting to do something. This is not necessarily a "business", buy and sell, a lot of things people tried, lost, burned, but in all this there was some kind of even often unhealthy interest. He just was.
By 2020, all this has been licked up by the tongue of a cow. And not to say that no one does anything. They do it, someone opens, someone closes, life goes on, but there is no energy. Not with anything. No healthy energy, no unhealthy - none. I would say that since 2018-2020 we have already begun to live in a new type of state, simply because it is right before our eyes, we do not see the forest for the trees. There is no energy of life. This cannot but be reflected in demographics, in general, in everything. It’s not for nothing that young people even have a separate meme “stuffy everything.” And it's not just from the ceiling they took. I suppose that the state itself put out the energy of the "Russian spring", then the NWO, and what in return. The question is not as simple as it seems. Oh, not easy.

[Tests]

To begin with, implement Decree No. 597 from the already forgotten May Decrees of the President of the Russian Federation of May 07, 2012. They would pay as it is written in the decrees for state employees, you see, Moscow and St. Petersburg would not suck out from the surrounding areas those who can earn money by “shifts” in large cities, renting housing, without seeing their relatives for weeks.
But Rosstat is the most statistic of all statistics, which is why half, if not more, of dear Russians survive, and do not live.

[turbina2367]

No, something is wrong here!
Or maybe everything is completely different.
It is unlikely that something like maternal or paternal capital will be the trigger that can launch the birth process in a country called Russia. Just like any other kalach. Along with abortions, or some other government tricks.
Until the men and women in Russia believe in the “beautiful far away”, while the government will kill and imprison those who disagree with it in war, until there is confidence that officials have stopped stealing, and their sons and daughters are wasting their lives in Dubai and Maldives - NOTHING will change!!!

[faterdom]

Maternal influence on social optimism and the desire to have more children is the same as 10000 for elections for pensioners on the consequences of pension reform. That is, not at all or vanishingly little.
People don’t believe that things will get better, or at least no worse.
There is no one to trust. And nothing.
There is neither subject nor object.

[Alexander Ra]

The strength of Russia is determined by the strength of the Russian people. With a weakening people, it is a matter of time before the word “Russia” disappears, this is the subject of the article.
Mat. capital will not save. Since it primarily encourages birth rates in regions with high birth rates, these are Chechnya, Ingushetia, Tyva, Dagestan, Yakutia,..
Regions with a predominant Russian population are among the most lagging behind, with the most negative growth rate. At the same time, subsidies to the five central regions, for example, for 2021 are 18 times less than to those listed above. In general, there is no policy that stimulates the locomotive people, and, therefore, the future of Russia.

[Vlatko_Radovic]

Maybe it's time to ask the crafty deputies where to buy a 2-3-room apartment for 756 thousand rubles? They have established benefits for themselves that are disproportionate to their contribution to the development of the country. Huge lordly salaries, bonuses, good salaries for assistants, drivers, company cars, that even ministers, and even more so the half-impoverished people, nod their heads condemningly. And such a system of fanaticism was created even under the drunkard B. Yeltsin, he waved when he was drunk, and then it’s inconvenient to correct it. Everyone will be offended and will start to slow down in their own way. And the author of the article correctly noted: “If we remain part of the Western global project, which leads to a “brave new world” - a digital concentration camp, then, in fact, nothing needs to be done. We can continue to Imitate Concern for the people. The Western project is cannibalistic in essence. "There are a lot of people on the planet, it is necessary to reduce their birth rate in order to make it clean and beautiful. Therefore, the rapid extinction of the peoples of the white race, including the Russian super-ethnic group, fits perfectly into the plans of global architects."
There are a lot of questions for the State Duma, what are you doing there? Are you familiar with PRUDENCE? After all, it was the hope of your Prudence that allowed you to occupy these super-soft chairs! If I answer modestly, rotten work leads to diseases of society. People fear for their further survival in conditions of dismissive, cannibalistic pressure on the common man! Remember the words of the very smart, beyond her years, well-known Alena Vodonaeva: “Do not produce slaves in impoverished Russia.” Let’s take the Federal cost of living for a pensioner equal to 12 rubles in 363. A simple translation of 2023 rubles into $: 12.363 = 97,84, 126,4 $ per MONTH. Per day = 4,2 $. For an apartment and services you need to pay about 9 thousand rubles. For medicines about 2 thousand and the balance = 1.363 rubles. You can buy bread and the cheapest cereal for now. There is nothing to pay for travel, That's why they say walking is useful if your legs still obey.
So far it turns out according to the famous lines of Igor Huberman:
I feel sorry for this blue sky, I feel sorry for the earth and life fragments; I'm scared that well-fed pigs are more terrible than hungry wolves! I just want to wish well-fed deputies and their descendants: - May you live on “such a luxurious” salary = $126,4 per month for the rest of your life, live and be happy, and do not deny yourself anything, - fans of the dark Western worlds ! “I will repay”! Let it be so!

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: Vlatko_Radovic

Let's take the Federal cost of living for a pensioner equal to 12 rubles in 363. Simple transfer of 2023 rubles to $: 12.363 = 97,84 $ per MONTH. Per day =126,4$

Really? The pennies are becoming poorer, becoming poorer. Better take an interest in the crime report. Every day, scammers steal several million pennies from “poor” people.

[Maks1995]

On the one hand, all this has been discussed for a long time.
And nothing has changed.
So, does this benefit anyone?

Since migrants are moving in and out, billionaires are getting richer and getting richer, the authorities are reporting and reporting about an unprecedented increase in wages, life, work...
But the population is still declining...

Although logically, as life expectancy increases, the population should increase...

[Ivan Seversky]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Ivan Seversky

It is not clear what is the value of population growth for the state and society.

Reducing the burden on the pension fund - times. We have been reduced by raising the age.

What you say is correct in theory, but in practice it turns out the opposite.

Direct measures to support the birth rate stimulate to a greater extent the birth of children among those citizens who do not work at all or work unofficially; their children often follow the example of their parents. The more such families there are, the greater the burden on workers, who need to feed pensioners and “low-income” children. Positive feedback system.

Quote: mordvin xnumx

A state where there are more young people than old people is more viable militarily - two.

Now yes. But I seriously doubt that in 20 years there will be a place for soldiers in the trenches on the front line. Aerial drones have greatly changed the battlefield, naval drones have appeared, and land-based drones are on the way. An FPV drone for $300 can kill a soldier for whom compensation is due 12.4 million rubles. with us or 40 million rubles. (15 million UAH) in Ukraine. It will be much cheaper to do without people on the battlefield, leaving them to control the battle, coordinate, repair and maintain robotic systems.
Such an army will require fewer human resources.

[Radical]

Why maternity capital will not save Russia from a demographic catastrophe

Because this is today's Russia, not the Soviet Union - is that clear?

[Glagol1]

Abortion bans will lead to the growth of the black market. And there the percentage of successful abortions will fall, when a woman still has the opportunity to give birth in the future. Maternity capital is the most important point; it must be indexed. We live in conditions of 3 demographic holes - the Second World War, the 90s and now the pandemic and the Great Patriotic War. Don't touch the capital!

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: Glagol1

Abortion bans will lead to the growth of the black market. And there the percentage of successful abortions will fall, when a woman still has the opportunity to give birth in the future. Maternity capital is the most important point; it must be indexed. We live in conditions of 3 demographic holes - the Second World War, the 90s and now the pandemic and the Great Patriotic War. Don't touch the capital!

Why does this woman need to have more children after “successful abortions”? Meaning? What good things will she teach them? And there was no “hole” in the Second World War; then almost everyone had many children. The pit began during the time of Brezhnev. And that's only thanks to abortion.

[dump22]

The author writes as if the falling birth rate is something bad?
I sincerely don’t understand why he thinks this way.

I have two children and that's enough for me. Although this is not enough for “population reproduction”.
At the same time, I perfectly understand people with one child.
And I don’t condemn families without children at all. In the end, everyone has their own personal circumstances.

And I (excuse me) don’t give a damn about any wishes of the state.

[Katya_Ivanova]

What's wrong with abortion? My potential brothers and sisters were mercilessly exterminated by abortions back in the blessed Soviet times. Thanks to mom and dad, holy people. But now, in difficult times, I won’t have to share the inheritance with anyone. And I will live for my own pleasure. So there are advantages to everything.

[Katya_Ivanova]

Why am I being downvoted? What do you really not like? This is because I am Russian, and not some kind of Azerbaijani. These, perhaps, are their brothers and sisters - support and support for each other. And they are one for all and all for one. But for us, Russians, it’s different. My parents didn't want me to have competition in the family.

[RostislavPushkarevVladimirovich]

Katya_Ivanova (Katya Ivanova)

Why am I being downvoted? What do you really not like? This is because I am Russian, and not some kind of Azerbaijani.

First of all, I will write you this, if I were next to you, Katyusha, I would hug you very tenderly and whisper in your ear, in a quiet voice, calm down, don’t be angry, I’m next to you, don’t pay attention to the negatives, everything will be fine . Perhaps you will be downvoted because your view is not logical and you are easily aggressively imposing your personal opinion on others. This is just my personal guess, but I don’t know for sure, the minusers themselves should explain this, I’ll personally give you a plus sign. You are not stating the truth, you are expressing an illusion here. And why are you ignoring me?)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Why am I being downvoted?

Personally, I downvoted your joy that your holy mom and dad killed your brothers and sisters.

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

My parents didn't want me to have competition in the family.

A family of selfish people.

[Sotskiy]

But the main thing is that all such measures must be part of state policy in the interests of the nation and the state.

How I like all these statements and calls for “shoulds” and “shoulds” for the last 35 years.
What about the carved in stone:

“If we gradually move away from paternalism, and each person understands that his fate is primarily in his own hands, this will be a very correct direction in working with young people

?
But what about the endless “reforms” that “improve” the lives of citizens through laws?
But what about optimization of everything?
What about pension reform?
What about the monetization of benefits?
What about “free” medicine and education?
Where are the 25 million jobs with a salary of 2,5 thousand dollars? (Why, by the way, did the President of the Russian Federation announce salaries in dollars?)
And the continuous devaluation of the same ruble over 33 years of “democracy”, worsening the quality of life of citizens?
Who is interested in the ruble exchange rate from 1992-2023, the link is here: http://global-finances.ru/kurs-dollara-k-rublyu/?ysclid=lm2d0xy5xx62710034
Show me where this hyped “stability” is, I really want to look through the keyhole.
What kind of birth rate are we talking about if people are taught to live one day at a time! And all their “poultices” in the form of “increases” to .....
a “happy” moment when everyone will become billionaires and prices in stores will be in the trillions.
And how the budget will be filled!
Then we will live and give birth!

[Owl]

No affordable housing - no family creation - no children. Previously, during the years of the socialist system, enterprises were obliged to build (buy) housing for their employees, and everyone knew which factory they had to go to work in order to get an apartment faster.

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: Eagle Owl

No affordable housing - no family creation - no children. .

If there were no affordable housing, then all Russian citizens would have frozen long ago.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

If there were no affordable housing, then all Russian citizens would have frozen long ago.

Most Russian citizens live in housing that they inherited from their ancestors.

[Katya_Ivanova]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

[
Most Russian citizens live in housing that they inherited from their ancestors.

From ancestors with few children. And this housing does not need to be shared with brothers and sisters. So the nation began to die out much earlier. Back in the USSR with free Khrushchev apartments. Paradox.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Katya_Ivanova

Quote: mordvin xnumx

[
Most Russian citizens live in housing that they inherited from their ancestors.

From ancestors with few children. And this housing does not need to be shared with brothers and sisters. So the nation began to die out much earlier. Back in the USSR with free Khrushchev apartments. Paradox.

The paradox is that the number of Russians in the USSR was growing, but you write that Russians in the USSR were dying out.
THIS is definitely a paradox!

The extinction of Russians is due to the suicidal Russian psychology.
The degree of decline in the birth rate among Russians exactly corresponds to the degree of Russian adoption of contraceptives:
"Why give birth if you can not give birth?"

If the people for 1000 years have not mastered any ideology at all, neither religious nor secular, if they were the only enslaved people in the Russian Empire right up to 1861, then the USSR has nothing to do with it at all. The USSR existed so little that its existence had little impact on Russian traditions.

Thousands of years of Russian traditions buried the USSR, and not vice versa!

[runway-1]

Obviously, in such a situation, at a minimum, it is necessary to ban abortions in private clinics and remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system.

The idea of ​​banning abortions is game, but the proposal to remove them from the compulsory medical insurance system is quite reasonable and was expressed a long time ago; it was proposed to leave free abortions only for exceptional situations. However, this idea did not find a response in the Ministry of Health.
As for maternity capital, not all experts consider payment for the first child to be effective; they suggested giving increased payments for the second or more children.
In general, it’s not just about payments, but also about the parents’ desire to create a full-fledged family, as well as their confidence in the future...

[osp]

Without the revival of rural areas, programs for individual suburban construction, free distribution of land of about 1 hectare, and the creation of infrastructure for life there, it will not be possible to stop the extinction of the country.
And the potential to develop all this is enormous - but the authorities do not need to.

My sister used her own money to buy a house in the Tver region for 800 thousand rubles, not far from Moscow by the way, and more than 10 acres of land to boot.
It needs to be remodeled a little - invest another 300 thousand rubles and the end result will be more or less housing.

But what's in the area? There is almost no work, the average salary does not exceed 30 thousand rubles. Wild corruption.
Medicine is such that it is better not to get sick; after finishing school, children have to study and have nowhere to work - they leave for big cities and refuse to procreate.

But with maternity capital you can buy housing in rural areas or regional centers, and even good ones.
But it is impossible to live there - I described why above. And somewhere else there is rampant crime and drugs. Conflicts with gypsies, for example.

[TwilightElf]

Because those who are not in the know. They rush around with this maternity capital as if it were something. what it is not. In fact, capital is given.. ONLY ONE time.. ONLY for one child. For the second one, only one option is possible if for the first time you gave birth to TWINS at once. then yes, the first + the second... six hundred, how many there. In all other cases, the action is ONE-TIME... stop talking nonsense. The reality is different. As they say...in social security (former Pension Fund) they will tell you so...when after some time you decided to have a second child and gave birth to him and ran joyfully for the accrual......you have already taken advantage of your right...to payment ...PREVIOUSLY

[ruslanivanych]

Medical abortions are not included in general tariff agreements in most regions.
When you write an article about a speculative problem, at least consult health care organizers.
This also applies to legislators...

[NetKeys]

Anti-family, anti-male and anti-father legislation. Full support for selfish motives for marriage, and especially for women’s selfish motives for divorce. Introduction of liability for false paternity. Joint equal custody of children after divorce, prohibition of taking children away from their fathers. Introduction of reporting on alimony expenses.
Men are discouraged from marriage, since they are guaranteed to take away their children and property and impose many years of indemnities.
And this topic is in the information darkness. You can't list everything here.
Regarding abortion: mandatory consent of the husband, not to have an abortion at the expense of the health insurance fund, but at the expense of the woman. And very, very expensive. No less than in the amount of maternity capital. Except for medical reasons.

[ivan2022]

Migrants with Russian citizenship give birth to and raise children. I see Asians with children and Russians with dogs on the streets.
Some dancers are hampered not only by legislation, but also by their balls.......

By the way: the legislation of the Russian Federation did not fall from the sky. It follows from the Constitution, which the people approved exactly after the shooting of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies in October 1993. And the hat goes to Senki!

[Ross xnumx]

I was pleased to read the comments left after the article was published.
You tried to name some of the measures, but you may not know about many (due to your youth) ...
In order to “get” funds for the implementation of the family program in a country where only up to 2 babies are born annually, it is enough to introduce a progressive personal income tax scale and an increased tax on monthly income above 000 minimum wages... I will not recalculate and give figures, I can confidently prove (to those who have the right to issue such laws) that with the correct organization of all measures, starting with bachelor (childlessness tax) taxes and ending with luxury taxes, for each newborn you can safely charge from 000 to 10 million rubles.
But this is not a panacea. In a country where the future of a person is in doubt, it is useless to talk about the extinction of the nation.
Housing, guaranteed employment with decent wages, the right to choose a profession, free medicine - these are not all the necessary factors for starting a family. The child requires medical care, baby food and clothing, the presence of preschool institutions and schools where they teach and do not kill...
Socialist Russia dealt with these problems successfully only thanks to special conditions and state ownership of mineral resources and means of production.
Probably, private ownership of the means of production could also be cultivated, but only in certain areas of activity...
And all our thoughts out loud are empty shaking of air.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

in the regions an apartment costs 3-4 million,

With our oil rent, we can even provide housing for free!
And pay mothers a decent allowance until their children reach their 18th birthday.
Economic calculations show that income from oil rent would allow paying from $1000 to $1500 for each child monthly, after all other budget items have been fulfilled!


But during these well-fed years, the authorities chose to enrich only a narrow group of court billionaires.
And even raising our retirement age!!!

And he continues to do so right now.
The super-rich head of the state bank VTB (51% owned by the state), Kostin (patron of Naili Asker Zade), today said that it is necessary to limit transfers abroad by citizens of the Russian Federation (but not migrants)!

[barbos]

Why maternal capital and not family capital? Does the state need ki (those born from fornication or, as they call them in the West, bastards)? This year has broken the record for divorces compared to last year. The state doesn't need a family, it needs fatherlessness? The courts almost automatically award the child to the mother and alimony to the father.
The policy needs to be completely changed. Family capital is needed.