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Syria: Western experts give advice to the losers Russian

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Syrian rebels. PHOTO: AP


In the West, they believe that the days of the Syrian "regime" are numbered. He is given no more than three months - well, a maximum until the end of March. Also, Western politicians, journalists and numerous ordinary people consuming their favorite press are confident that Moscow is about to stop supporting Bashar Assad. The reason for the "joyful" statements of the democratic media were the words of Mikhail Bogdanov, deputy head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. A week ago, he declared that the Assad regime is losing control over the country, and the opposition is gaining strength.

Russian official сказал:

“As for preparations for the victory of the opposition, this, of course, cannot be ruled out. But we must face the facts: the trend is precisely in the direction that the government regime is losing more and more control over an ever larger territory of the country. ”


In addition, Comrade Bogdanov in his statement cited data from the Syrian opposition, which claimed that two key cities would soon be taken - Aleppo and Damascus.

That is why the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia has prepared a plan for the evacuation of Russian citizens from Syria.

The “convenient” for free interpretations of the statement by the Deputy Foreign Minister immediately responded to American officials.

The US State Department, where every word of Russian politicians is closely watching, immediately expressed satisfaction with the fact that Russia "returned to reality." The Kremlin even praised.

December 13 at a press briefing US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said:

“We want to praise the Russian government for finally returning to reality and recognizing that the days of the regime (Assad) are numbered. The question now is whether the Russian government will join us and the entire international community working with the opposition in order to try to ensure a smooth democratic transfer of power in accordance with the Geneva agreements and form a transitional government ... Therefore, we call on Russia to work with us. ”


According to Nuland, if now all external forces do not unite, Syria is waiting for further bloodshed and destruction of infrastructure, which will complicate the process of the subsequent reconstruction of the country.

What a touching concern. Almost like Yugoslavia in the nineties.

By the way, in an editorial in the British newspaper "Guardian" from December 13 run in the words of M. Bogdanov, however, to the credit of this publication, it is noted that a Russian official did not at all say that a rebel victory would be desirable for Russia. Moreover, in the Guardian, his words were interpreted in such a way that the victory of these same “rebels” is unlikely.

Parallel to the interpretation of the words of M. Bogdanov, the Western press with might and main is working on the scenario of a chemical threat from Assad. Recently, rumors (first of all, by the NBC channel, often boasting of their proximity to high-ranking military anonymous authors) that the Syrian chemists were already spreading got ready to the use of weapons of mass destruction: they completed the process of mixing the components of sarin. This was reportedly reported from "trusted sources at the Pentagon." The poisonous substance is not only prepared for use, but poured into canisters in bombs. Chemists are only waiting for the order of Assad. One of the sources of the channel explained:

“Even on Tuesday, we did not have clear evidence that the Syrians had begun mixing them. However, the worst fears were confirmed on Wednesday: the nerve gas was made and placed in aerial bombs. ”


The next factor for the "triumphant" sentiments of the West was information about the recent December "secret meeting" in London. They allegedly developed a plan of intervention in Syria. Moreover, the initiators of the plans and the military strategists do not see any particular difficulties in Syria: they even abandoned the ground operation. We decided that enough air strikes and support for the Navy. Correspondents "The Independent", which launched into the world news about a secret meeting, referred to "informed sources in the British manual."

According to the newspaper, the generals from France, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and the United States attended the meeting in London. And following this meeting, they began to deliberate in other democratic countries, where the military also want to help the Syrian opposition - at least diplomatically or humanitarian.

After deliberation, the Western powers came to the conclusion that the long conflict had reached its climax, and therefore the insurgents needed help so that the authorities of the new democratic Syria would see the United States and Europe as their loyal allies. That is why the decisive attack on Damascus must take place with fire support from foreign powers.

Mindful of the fresh statement of comrade Bogdanov, the initiators of the military operation commended Moscow on the change in its attitude towards the Syrian conflict. At the meeting, opinions were expressed that Russian officials are already considering options for Syria without Assad. In addition to Bogdanov, in London they also spoke about the fact that the recent successful meeting in Istanbul of Putin and Erdogan demonstrates the changed position of Russia. It got to the point that the leadership of Western countries expressed hope for Moscow’s help in stabilizing the situation in Syria after the overthrow of the “regime” there.

The preparation for the intervention was allegedly begun: British and French officers meet with rebel commanders in Syrian territory, assessing their strategic and tactical capabilities, and the United States allegedly bothered to collect and store the goods taken out of Libya weapons: later it is supposed to be transferred to the Syrian fighters for "democracy".

The political course of US President Barack Obama was also logical. In order not to overburden the NBC channel, he spoke on the ABC channel. In an interview he said on recognizing the opposition Syrian National Coalition as the legitimate representative of the people of Syria.

Barack Obama called the decision a "big step" and stressed that from now on Washington considers SNK

"The legal representative of the Syrian people, unlike the regime of Bashar al-Assad."


The Syrian national coalition, of course, was also recognized by the “Friends of Syria” - a few hours later after Obama’s solemn declaration. As if they knew about it beforehand ...

December 12 Western and Arab countries at a meeting in the Moroccan city of Marrakesh not only recognized the legality of the united Syrian opposition, but also called for Bashar al-Assad to leave his post. They also, remembering Obama's warnings, warned Assad against the use of chemical weapons.

“The participants recognize the National Coalition as a legitimate representative of the Syrian people and a single organization that unites the entire Syrian opposition,” the declaration adopted after the meeting in Marrakesh said. “... Bashar Asad lost his legitimacy, and he should leave to allow him to make a steady political transition.”


As noted by US Under Secretary of State William Burns, who also participated in the meeting,

"The sooner the Syrian president resigns, the better it will be for the Syrian people."


And Saudi Arabia immediately announced the submission of a hundred million dollars to Syrian opposition fighters.

Thus, these “Friends of Syria” continue to develop a line in which they would be correctly called “Friends of America”.

Last week, Kadri Jamil, the leader of the Syrian Popular Front for Change and Liberation, an organization belonging to the so-called internal opposition, flew in to visit Comrade Lavrov. Jameel led a meeting on the Coalition of Forces for Peaceful Changes. By the way, this coalition считает members of the "Group of Friends of Syria" enemies of their country.

“The so-called“ friends of Syria ”are not friends, but enemies who are interested in external interference in the affairs of the country, said Jamil. “How can anyone who does not allow the Syrian people to solve problems on their own, who does not want a peaceful settlement of the crisis and contributes to the bloodshed and destruction of Syria, can be a friend?”


According to him, the main task now is to remove the extremists from the opposition and the government:

"It is necessary to isolate them, and then the path to national consensus will open."


Commenting on the rumors about the readiness to use Damascus chemical weapons, Jamil said that this creates an information background for the intervention, and

"It looks like a replay of the Iraqi legend of the existence of weapons of mass destruction."


The next episode of the Syrian theme was a statement by Knud Bartels, Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, who spoke with the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Valery Gerasimov. This gentleman saidthat NATO does not plan military intervention in the Syrian conflict. Commenting on the meeting, the head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Koshelev, noted that the Russian side took Bartels’s statement with satisfaction. It means that the “Libyan scenario” will not be repeated in Syria.

It's right. The West intends to implement the Yugoslav scenario in Syria. Multi-confessional Syria, where al-Qaeda militants also operate, is very convenient for the Yugoslav military option. The country can be split on the territory of Druze, Shiite, Sunni, Christian, Wahhabi, Kurds. It does not matter how many peaceful people there are at the same time. It is important to split first a strong secular country, and even better - set fire to the entire Middle East at once, by playing the Kurdish card as well. Typically, the American scenario, capable of strengthening both the hard positions of the “indecisive” Obama, and providing the US military with large orders. Well, oil, of course. And taming the disobedient Iraq. And the key to Iran. And in the future satisfaction of Israel.

The other day, Syria’s vice-president Faruk al-Shara’a doubted the victory of Assad. However, he doubted the victory of the "rebels".

Al-Shara saidthat none of the parties to the Syrian conflict is able to win the war. According to the vice-president, the opposition “cannot claim the role of the sole legitimate representative of the Syrian people” and will not be able to resolve the conflict militarily.

At the same time, he acknowledged that the ruling Baath party “cannot achieve change without new partners,” and the government armed forces will not end the confrontation. In his opinion, the situation is worsening every day, and we are already talking about the existence of Syria as a whole.

In Europe, too, they do not believe that Assad can win the war. For example, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius считаетthat the rule of Bashar Assad is coming to an end.

“I believe that the end for Bashar Assad is near,” said the French minister, noting that such an assessment seems “obvious”, based on current events in Syria. “Even the Russians understand that this will happen soon,” noted Fabius.


So, here again, the words of Comrade Bogdanov responded.

If we put aside the rumors and the "yellow" texts in the Western media, what will we get in the bottom line? What prepare the West and the Arab enemies for Damascus?

After all, in principle, it does not matter here what will serve as a pretext for intervention - chemical weapons or even 30.000 refugees who have found shelter in Turkey. Even the veto in the UN Security Council of Russia or China loses its value against the background of the recognition of SNK as the world's leading players. They simply do without the permission of Russia and China. The same chemical weapons will serve as a suitable reason for the invasion.

With regard to the plan of the Syrian "events", it was approved yet 6 December in Doha - at the very meeting where the Syrian National Coalition was created. The points of the plan were lit up in the Algerian newspaper "L'Espresion". By the way, the author of the note, Nureddin Merdahi, has a negative attitude towards the so-called “opposition”: he indignantly informs readers that on her side are jihadist hired men from Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan, al-Qaeda militants and other terrorists who kill civilians, acting together with a handful of Syrian deserters. The journalist attributes the union of the opposition itself to the decision of the United States and its satellites - France and Qatar, and at the same time Turkey. This was done in order to create "the appearance of consistency and the appearance of the opposition."

So, the points of the plan. The “Protocol”, signed in Doha, includes a damn dozen of articles:

1. Reduce the number of troops of the Syrian army to 50.000 people.

2. New Syria will defend its right to sovereignty over the Golan Heights by political means. This means that Israel and Syria will sign a peace agreement under the auspices of the United States and Qatar.

3. Syria must get rid, again under the authority of the United States, of all types of its chemical and biological weapons and all missiles. This operation should be carried out in Jordan.

4. The country should completely abandon claims for the return of the territories occupied by Turkey (Liwa Iskenderun) and hand over to Turkey several border villages in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib.

5. Expulsion from the new Syria of all members of the Workers' Party of Kurdistan. At the same time Turkey should be given those whom it has included in the list of terrorists.

6. Cancel all agreements and contracts signed with Russia and China in the field of subsoil drilling and arms supplies.

7. Carrying through the Syrian territory of the Qatari gas pipeline to Turkey and further to Europe.

8. Permission to carry water pipes through Syrian territory from Ataturk Dam to Israel.

9. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are committed to rebuilding what was destroyed by the war in Syria - but on the condition that their companies have the exclusive right to reconstruct and exploit Syrian oil and gas fields.

10. Freezing relations with Iran, Russia and China.

11. Breaking relations with Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance movement.

12. The Syrian regime should be Islamic, but not Salafi.

13. This agreement will enter into force with the advent of the Syrian National Coalition to power.

As we can see, everything is spelled out in these points - and the end of relations with Russia, and oil and gas, for which the White House has always tirelessly promoted (especially in the person of Hillary Clinton), and infringement of Russian interests in the energy sector (through Qatari strategy), and dying Syria as a secular state.

And where, you ask, is speech about democracy, human rights, freedom of speech? At the worst, about American values?

However, this plan is unlikely to be true. Most likely, this is another "disinformation", thrown into the press to test the public reaction. Whose? American probably. And European - because if Europe gets something, it is Qatari gas.

But Europe and the United States did not respond to this. After all, the fate of Syria is not decided in Qatar.

Today they are trying to decide the fate of Syria in Turkey. On Monday, and there they published a plan - in the newspaper "Radical" (on the channel "Al-Arabiya" available English text). Turkey, with its plan, by the way, turned directly to Russia. We are talking about streamlining the peaceful transition in the "post-mode" period. That is the fall of Assad - almost a fact.

The Turkish proposal calls for the resignation of President Bashar Assad during the first three months of 2013. Then the transition process will be carried out by SNK, now recognized by Arab and Western countries as the sole representative of the Syrians.

So everything is cultural and in order.

It is also reported that it was this plan that was discussed during the meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Istanbul on December 3, and Putin even called it "a creative approach."

Although Erdogan and Putin did not agree on the issue of Syria, Erdogan nonetheless noted that the Russian leader did not demonstrate the position of the “avid defender” of the current regime in Syria.

Also during 7’s December visit to Turkey, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said that he “took note of” the Istanbul summit, where Putin and Erdogan discussed “new ideas” on how to respond to the Syrian crisis.

Erdinch Akkoyunlu from Turkish Star Gazette пишетthat in Istanbul "Russia recognized Syria without Assad." The journalist refers to the opinion of Improve Ozulker, a person who, during 41, carried out professional activities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, served as ambassador to Tripoli, Bonn, Paris, Permanent Representative of Turkey to the EU, OECD. This expert on the Middle East explicitly noted that behind the transformations of Russia's position from the policy of absolute support for Assad to the wording “He loses to the opposition, his departure is gaining momentum”, there are Erdogan and Putin talks in Istanbul. The analyst says:

“It is obvious that the solution to the Syrian issue is impossible without Russia. The West has also recognized this. Russia has lost all its advantages in the Mediterranean, and Syria is the only one left. And Moscow wants to keep it. Assad is the most important factor in this dependence. Initially, the policy pursued by Russia is as follows: "A leader who is loyal as Assad will not allow Syria to be alienated from us" ... Russia is looking for such a leader. The question is to find it. Erdogan convinced Putin of Syria without Assad. <...> Ultimately, the main decision for Syria and Turkey will be the resignation of Assad. However, this required that Russia also saw the need for the departure of the Syrian leader. Putin saw this in Istanbul. However, they have not yet been able to find a new name. "


So the picture is clear. Both Turkey and the West need to understand how Russia will survive its geopolitical defeat in Syria.

In the West, and it is already predicted.

Richard Gowan, Assistant Director of the Center for International Cooperation at New York University, Senior Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations, in World Politics Review пишет:

“Surviving a defeat and dealing with it is one of the greatest skills a diplomat can possess. Historians admire those statesmen who managed to bring their countries out of lost wars. Among such heroes of diplomacy is Talleyrand, who brilliantly defended the interests of France after the defeat of Napoleon, as well as Henry Kissinger, who developed a plan for America’s withdrawal from Vietnam. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, thinking about the challenges of 2013 of the year, may also think about whether he will be able to cope with the consequences of a lost war. ”


Here is how. An American analyst suggests that Lavrov be like Talleyrand. Or even the great Kissinger.

As for the position of the “defense” of Syria, it is losing, the analyst believes.

"... Despite Lavrov's skillful maneuvers, he and Putin will have to face the prospect of diplomatic defeat."


What does an American prove to be right? And again, in the words of Comrade Bogdanov, apparently, in the absence of others:

"... A senior Russian official warned last week that the Syrian government was" increasingly losing control "over the country."


Therefore, the expert believes that it is no longer an issue to be resolved with Assad, but with what will happen after Assad.

“Moscow insists that the only possible solution to resolve the conflict is negotiations involving the defeated government in Damascus. Undoubtedly, Lavrov is clever and skillful enough to interpret this demand in a new way or to abandon it as the final phase of the struggle approaches. But now it is very likely that Russia will be on the sidelines when the rebels take over. "


And this is a catastrophe for Russia, the expert believes.

“It will be a disaster for her in many ways. Approximately 30000 of Russian citizens live in Syria, including an unknown number of military advisers whose lives will be in danger. Putin and his assistants are worried about the ties that exist between the radical Islamist groups in Syria and the Russian Caucasus. If Russia fails to defend President Bashar al-Assad, it will weaken the remnants of its influence in the Middle East, and above all in Iran. China, who supported Russia in the UN, will also be unhappy. "


According to Richard Gowan, Russia needs a strategy to minimize the damage after Assad leaves. How to do it? A very simple.

We must seek appropriate assistance from foreign supporters of the opposition - to France, Britain, Turkey. This country will help divert Russian citizens from the rebels. The Kremlin is afraid that the Syrian Islamists can assist their allies in Russia? And this is solved: it is necessary to secretly negotiate with the United States in order to eliminate this threat.

In short, we note in brackets, the Russian philosopher Solovyov was wrong when he argued that beauty would save the world. The world will save the West.

And further.

After Assad’s fall, comrade Putin will need geopolitical excuses. Gowen mockingly remarks that he will

“It is necessary to think more broadly and on a large scale how to protect the battered Russian claims for the status of a great power after their Syrian clients are defeated.”


And there is

"The danger that Putin will explain the fall of Assad by a Western conspiracy to weaken Russia and take a more confrontational position."


By the way, the Western plot here is not such an invention. Rather, the Middle Eastern expert blurts out.

It is better for President Putin, Gowen believes, to take "a more optimal course of action." Russia can strengthen its position as a weighty diplomatic player on many fronts, he says. For example, Moscow can deal with final planning to ensure stability in Afghanistan after the withdrawal of NATO troops, negotiate with the Obama administration on the second stage of the nuclear arms reduction agreement (based on the 3 START-2010 Treaty), support efforts on “nuclear diplomacy "Regarding Iran. Yes, and the US will offer something - for example, “a package of ideas for cooperation with Moscow”. This is to "remove the bitterness of defeat in Syria."

“But it’s not clear whether Putin will agree to play such a game. It is possible that it will be easier and easier for him to get into an anti-Western posture. If this is so, then the upcoming defeat of Russia in Syria could end up as bad for her as the war itself. ”


American analyst is echoed by Gerhard Mangott, a professor at Innsbruck University, an expert in Russia who is recognized in Germany. is he says:

“... Russia has long turned away from Assad personally. But she lacks the influence to force the ruling elites in Damascus, too, to abandon Assad. In Russia, they have long understood that with Assad in Syria it is already impossible to win anything, but you can lose everything. Again, Moscow turned away from Assad a long time ago, but she cannot get rid of him. And this is an indicator of the weakness of Russian foreign policy. ”


So, the West starts and wins. He always wins. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, now here is Syria. Who's next? Hey, beware, comrade Putin! Make friends with the West, or he will eat you. And do not eat the West, so they will eat Qatar. And Comrade Churkin will not help.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 19 December 2012 08: 30
    +34
    Of course it is necessary for the West: to destroy everything and everything, and we look into its mouth. And in general, it is necessary to land troops in Syria and smash the damn opposition. The victory of the opposition is the victory of the West and the USA.
    1. aktanir
      aktanir 19 December 2012 08: 43
      +12
      Or maybe they only need to aggravate the situation and wait for us to land and land? It is definitely impossible to give Syria. It would be better to go all in there, far from our borders, than to let the West get closer to our southern borders at the distance of a pistol shot. In this case, we ourselves can suffer.
      If "Iskander" (if, of course, the infa is reliable) we send to Syria, it means that we will stand on the side of the Syrian people to the end.
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 19 December 2012 11: 38
        +7
        But does Syria, in addition to Russia, no longer have allies. And China, and Iran in the end? Okay, Turkey always pushed its rolls in front of the Anglo-Squires, and always received p ... ley from us. Turkey is a cheap country ... glory. But all countries of the West took up arms against a legitimate government. They want to completely destabilize the Middle East. This cannot be allowed. I hope Putin understands this. Because we can become the next.
      2. Ross
        Ross 20 December 2012 01: 44
        +5
        aktanir,
        The landing is not the landing, and our GRU special forces here would not be out of place. Together with the Iranian guard corps.
    2. sichevik
      sichevik 19 December 2012 09: 00
      +15
      Denisk999, and you volunteer to join the paratroopers for landing in Syria?
      It is not necessary to land troops, but to supply more weapons. And send sensible advisers. Do we have few experienced specialists in the fight against all sorts of "fighters for democracy"? The Foreign Ministry must also show consistency and firmness in its actions and statements. And finally, our president, in the end, must clearly, firmly and unequivocally define his position on the Syrian issue.
      1. Alvin
        Alvin 19 December 2012 09: 23
        +5
        I support, although the grouping of ships side by side would not hurt. Or to no avail? The crap, it seems we will hand over ...
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 19 December 2012 11: 06
          +15
          there is a law of equilibrium in the world ........... they made Kosovo a state by force of arms (set a precedent in international politics), we took a mirror step with Abkhazia and Yu.O .......... .Now they are afraid that if they get sick in Syria without sanctions, we will also get somewhere that they will feel bad, Russia knows how (the Caribbean crisis) ........ Assad will be hard, but while the people support him, the regular army Iran helps him too, realizing that he will be the next to lower the skin without anesthesia ............... shorter Assad must survive
      2. Van
        Van 19 December 2012 19: 10
        +4
        Quote: sichevik
        We need to land not landings, but to supply more weapons.


        There is another option, to offer Syria to become part of the Russian Federation, at least Syria will have a chance for salvation, and there Iran will be able to train and get on well. fellow

        This is so, an optimistic view from the side. lol request
        1. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 19 December 2012 19: 59
          -3
          Quote: Wang
          There is another option, offer Syria to become part of the Russian Federation

          why not Ukraine?
          1. Van
            Van 20 December 2012 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Azzzwer
            why not Ukraine?

            As History says, everything in the world is cyclical. So that......
      3. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 19 December 2012 19: 56
        +1
        Quote: sichevik
        We need to land not landings, but to supply more weapons.

        unfortunately, the open intervention of a third force on one of the parties to the conflict is no longer enough, either Zapedentsi or we
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 19 December 2012 11: 36
      +9
      Quote: Deniska999
      And in general, it is necessary to land troops in Syria

      “A whole squadron of warships of the Baltic Fleet left the Kaliningrad region yesterday, December 17, for Syria, a source in the fleet told a REGNUM correspondent today, December 18.
      In addition to the large landing ship (BDK) "Kaliningrad", the BDK "Alexander Shabalin", the patrol ship "Yaroslav Mudry", the tanker "Lena" and an auxiliary tug went on a long voyage, the source said. IA REGNUM notes that there is still no official information about the cruise from the Baltic Fleet. Meanwhile, the relatives of the sailors are actively discussing the dispatch of ships in social networks. According to the wife of one of the sailors, the crew was tasked with arriving at the Syrian port of Tartus and taking on board the citizens of Russia and Ukraine who are in the zone of military conflict.
      http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1605862.html#ixzz2FTrMi5qB
      Someone to accept, someone to drop ...
      "The return of a detachment of warships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet from the Mediterranean campaign has been suspended" until special instructions from the General Staff. "
      “Due to the changing operational situation in the region, the detachment was ordered to stay in the Aegean in front of the Straits zone until further notice by the General Staff,” the source said.
      “The decision to delay the detachment of ships in front of the Black Sea straits is connected with the unstable operational situation in the Mediterranean Sea. In the near future, Russian ships may receive new directions. Until further notice, they will remain in the Aegean. It is possible that they will have to return to their former military service area. ”Http://www.postsovet.ru/blog/russia/390249.html
      1. MG42
        MG42 19 December 2012 16: 53
        +2
        Quote: Kaa
        A whole squadron of warships of the Baltic Fleet left for Syria from the Kaliningrad Region yesterday, December 17.

        There was information that they would simply replace the ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
        A detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet of Russia, consisting of five ships and auxiliary vessels, went on a long voyage to change the group of the Black Sea Fleet, performing combat missions in the Mediterranean Sea. This was reported in the Office of the Press Service and Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

        "A detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet consisting of the patrol ship Yaroslav the Mudry, the large landing ships Kaliningrad and Alexander Shabalin, the rescue tug SB-921 and the tanker Lena left the main base of the fleet and headed for the Mediterranean Sea", - said in a press release.

        It notes that in the Mediterranean, a detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet will replace the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, solving problems in the eastern Mediterranean from November.

        The Defense Ministry said that "according to the combat training plan, during the transition, the sailors will conduct a series of exercises and trainings on the anti-aircraft, anti-ship and anti-submarine defense of the detachment of ships, and will work out the issues of organizing communications and navigation as part of the order."

        According to Interfax, a detachment of ships went to the Mediterranean Sea, possibly to evacuate Russian citizens from Syria.
        "The date for the return of the ships to Baltiysk by the command has not been determined, as it depends on the development of the situation in Syria. It is possible that some of the ships will be sent with evacuated citizens to the Russian ports of the Black Sea," the military source said.

        http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_12_18/Minoboroni-korabli-Baltflota-smenjat-v-Sredizemnom
        -more-otrjad-CHernomorskogo-flota /
    4. Ruslan
      Ruslan 19 December 2012 12: 02
      +5
      Here is a good article about the latest events in Syria
      http://perevodika.ru/articles/22349.html
      please note write themselves Americans
      1. Korzhik_77
        Korzhik_77 19 December 2012 13: 39
        0
        Ruslan
        The link does not work request Banned?
        1. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: Korzhik_77
          Link not working Banned?

          It works, just read it!
          1. bask
            bask 19 December 2012 14: 22
            +7
            I welcome Ostap. It seems that the situation in Syria is getting worse. Bashar needs to be created urgently --- to arm all warlike, Alavites and Christians. And to wet everyone who is friendly against them. Otherwise, it’s not sad .... And Russia and the GDP should publicly speak out to defend Syria and resume the supply of weapons in full, ,,,
            1. OSTAP BENDER
              OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 15: 35
              +6
              Quote: bask
              Greetings to Ostap.

              And I welcome you! I agree with your opinion, it is hard for Syria to withstand without the support of Russia !!! To replace the defeated militants, the so-called "friends of Syria" are recruiting new ones, and this is a conveyor belt !!! Apparently it won't end in Syria !!!
              1. Sardanapalus
                Sardanapalus 19 December 2012 17: 31
                0
                Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                Apparently in Syria it will not end !!

                If Syria lies, where will all this gang go? They will not be allowed to sit idle.
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 17: 43
                  +3
                  Quote: Sardanapalus
                  If Syria lies, where will all this gang go? They will not be allowed to sit idle.

                  There are many options: Iran, the Caucasus, Siberia, and Crimea! Do you have any thoughts? Share, I will be interested!
                  1. Saracen
                    Saracen 19 December 2012 19: 02
                    -3
                    If liberals, such as the "Muslim Brotherhood" win, there will be long showdowns within the country, as it is now in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. But they still have little chance, otherwise the United States would have brought them to power long ago as in Egypt, and Assad would have left quietly somewhere. And since they do not have a strong influence among the rebels, Assad is ordered to hold out to the last, until the rebels are forced (by popular hunger, killings, etc.) to recognize the pro-American opposition.

                    But if those whom the USA and the West, or the Gulf countries win, do not really want to, those who have declared the goal of creating an Islamic state. first will be the unification of neighboring countries that were artificially divided by agreement Sais picot .

                    PS If you saw several flags in the videos of the rebels:
                    liberal green-white-black, white and black for those who are for the Islamic state.
                2. Azzzwer
                  Azzzwer 19 December 2012 20: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Sardanapalus
                  If Syria lies, where will all this gang go? They will not be allowed to sit idle
                  how to where? there are so many democratized countries in the world ... for example, Iran is at hand ..
            2. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 19 December 2012 20: 16
              +2
              Quote: bask
              .A Russia and GDP publicly defend Syria

              Vova’s gut is weak. he thinks about his bank deposits in Western banks and not about Syria
              1. evgenm55
                evgenm55 20 December 2012 14: 01
                -1
                And what kind of Syria? He doesn’t even think about Russia. Of course, it’s rather weak. The dodgy Khrushch scared all of America with his slipper, and these rulers will sell us like that. And Syria will be merged - I don’t even doubt it. I don’t understand only Assad - he saw what they did to Livia. The Colonel did the same for something, flirted with the Americans, and the country was already burning and the result was in person. Assad had to be at the very beginning it’s hard to annihilate all the counteras despite all the Western cries - then they still haven’t plunged into it, but now the situation is different ... And no one will help Assad, only devoted troops and people. If in the near future he will not change the situation inside the country, this is the end of him and Syria. And the further plan has already been written-Iran, the Caucasus, etc.
          2. Korzhik_77
            Korzhik_77 19 December 2012 14: 29
            +1
            Ruslan
            OSTAP BENDER
            Opened via Google, ATP good
        2. karbofos
          karbofos 19 December 2012 14: 51
          0
          all works
      2. Town Guard
        Town Guard 19 December 2012 21: 13
        +8
        Quote: Ruslan
        please note write themselves Americans

        That's the emigrant, and correctly written about her:
        "Basov Alexander, 19.12.2012 12:42:03
        Viktor Ivanov, your comments, as always, are at their best.

        Communicated with emigrating to America citizens. Some quite normal people, in others, the described notorious syndrome smoothly flows into the syndrome of obsessive states. When one such emigrant got her comments about life in Russia, I answered the following:
        Emigration is equally beneficial for both countries. Russia gets rid of ballastand America gets valuable organic fertilizer.

        The aunt immediately shut up. Maybe offended? "
        The problem is that both have their disadvantages. Where there are fewer of them is another question. But I agree on something. Globalists will not allow anyone to enjoy life normally - this is not in their interests. As long as the idea of ​​socialism-communism existed, it was necessary to "keep the brand" (and maintain a normal standard of living) in order to lure others. And as the USSR collapsed, it turned out to be unnecessary to be hypocritical, and the system showed its true face.
        More about the abundance of goods - the author does not take into account. that the United States consumes much more than it produces - and lives beyond its means - that is, if the United States paid for all those resources, goods and services that they consumed, they would either not be able to pay for everything, or would live more modestly. But they just robbed the whole world. And about the USSR then - look now at North Korea - in fact, it is in an economic blockade - hence the shortage. And the emigrant naively believes that socialism is to blame for the deficit. The USSR, in fact, at that time was also in an economic blockade. And now Russia - no, because the West considers it to be its colony, and accordingly, here you can sell your goods (and there is no shortage of Western jeans and other husks) - and pump out, in addition to resources, money from unsuspecting Aboriginal people - just to make the packaging brighter (as the conquistadors exchanged real money from the Indians gold - and in return they gave trinkets and jewelry, conditionally) - and vparivat them constantly unnecessary goods - for example, the twentieth version of the iPhone (exaggerate. of course - this is not there yet - but with the current trend of modernization, it is unlikely to be very different), etc.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 19 December 2012 22: 44
          +2
          Quote: Guardian of the city
          in others, the described notorious syndrome smoothly flows into the syndrome of obsessive states.

          I heard that many are pouring mud on their old homeland, why?
          1. Korzhik_77
            Korzhik_77 19 December 2012 23: 00
            +5
            I think they want to justify themselves in their own eyes for ...
          2. mealnik2005
            mealnik2005 20 December 2012 17: 16
            +2
            They do not want to admit that they got excited with emigration, and local authorities are very understanding ....
        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach 19 December 2012 23: 39
          0
          Well, they also receive colored candy wrappers for the "twentieth version of the iPhone", even if we are talking about rubles, from ANYTHING Non-producing managers (traders).
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 20 December 2012 00: 35
            0
            Well, they also receive colored candy wrappers for the "twentieth version of the iPhone", even if we are talking about rubles. I understand to consume oil, but here is paper.
            And these "They" are not the world's managers, but Apple. (among other examples, there is also an "ordinary merchant")
            "Free" mining of Unobtainium and other resources of the Russian "Pandora" is not worth all the proposed "minibuses" combined. ESPECIALLY, when the "gnawed apple" BECAME a commodity not inferior to the same oil, within the framework of the values ​​of the Anglo-Saxons (their exchange trades, because they trade in This too). Or, in your opinion, the "gnawed apple" has lost its status on the stock exchange, for traders and has become a fiction exclusively for the aborigines? Let me explain in a simpler way: if the "beads for Manhattan" had a quotation on the stock exchange, then .... they would become a "paper dollar" on which the Chosen People can earn. Realizing that this is just a "paper dollar" not worth the paper it is printed on. That is, not the very essence of the subject is important, but the meaning that everyone puts into it. Here are just a small club
            The bottom line is that the Americans (those in power) are themselves hostages of their own sect - consumption. They are trying to spread this faith to the whole world. Only that one would consume the surplus, it is necessary that someone plowed on him, piously believing in some "Holy, Plow, Inspirational, Crap".

            And here we come to the main thing - "people who hold power" at the top of "A. Maslow's pyramid", they have the opportunity to create, inventing methods of theft, being fed up from the belly. And to other Americans and "crumbs from the master's table for dinner" and dermocracy - the truth.

            while the site was glitching, the top post - with the continuation, did not delete
        3. dmitreach
          dmitreach 20 December 2012 00: 30
          0
          Well, they also receive colored candy wrappers for the "twentieth version of the iPhone", even if we are talking about rubles. I understand to consume oil, but here is paper.
          And these "They" are not the world's managers, but Apple. (among other examples, there is also an "ordinary merchant")
          "Free" mining of Unobtainium and other resources of the Russian "Pandora" is not worth all the proposed "minibuses" combined. ESPECIALLY, when the "gnawed apple" BECAME a commodity not inferior to the same oil, within the framework of the values ​​of the Anglo-Saxons (their exchange trades, because they trade in This too). Or, in your opinion, the "gnawed apple" has lost its status on the stock exchange, for traders and has become a fiction exclusively for the aborigines? Let me explain in a simpler way: if the "beads for Manhattan" had a quotation on the stock exchange, then .... they would become a "paper dollar" on which the Chosen People can earn. Realizing that this is just a "paper dollar" not worth the paper it is printed on. That is, not the very essence of the subject is important, but the meaning that everyone puts into it. Here are just a small club
          The bottom line is that the Americans (those in power) are themselves hostages of their own sect - consumption. They are trying to spread this faith to the whole world. Only that one would consume the surplus, it is necessary that someone plowed on him, piously believing in some "Holy, Plow, Inspirational, Crap".

          And here we come to the main thing - "people who hold power" at the top of "A. Maslow's pyramid", they have the opportunity to create, inventing methods of theft, being fed up from the belly. And to other Americans and "crumbs from the master's table for dinner" and dermocracy - the truth.
        4. mealnik2005
          mealnik2005 20 December 2012 17: 14
          0
          Few people try to delve into this. They mostly behave like a child in a toy store - their eyes are round and move independently of each other ...
      3. mealnik2005
        mealnik2005 20 December 2012 17: 01
        0
        404 Not found.
        Any other links?
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 December 2012 16: 05
      +10
      December 18 Summary

      Damascus

      The Syrian army launched an artillery strike on the outskirts of Hajar al-Aswad. Local clashes were recorded in the Palestinian refugee camp of Yarmouco, the positions of militants in the area of ​​the vegetable market were subjected to mortar shelling. Several mortar shells fell on the Tahrir Square and Baghdad Street, there are no reports of casualties or destruction.

      Hama

      The clash took place between government forces and SSA militants in the village of Hayalin (Hama province). Several militants were destroyed, including Sami Ibrahim Al-Zaiban, Ansar Al-Abed Oleiwi and Hemmudi Al-Mohammed being identified.

      In the Kalaat al-Madik area, armed groups of the Al-Farooq brigade launched artillery strikes against government positions. There were fired at checkpoints. Al-Farouk militants also captured part of the city of Helfay.

      In the Kafr Abdiyah area, militants from the Ahfad al-Rasul brigade attacked army roadblocks. As a result, three servicemen and two civilians were killed, several people were injured. The Syrian army responded with shelling of militant positions, their losses are unknown.

      Idleb

      In the area of ​​the city of Maarat-al-Numan, the Syrian army launched artillery strikes on militants from Jabhat al-Nusra. Several firing positions of the militants (with the destruction of buildings) were destroyed in Jisr al-Shugur. Also, the Syrian army launched artillery strikes on militants in the villages of Kafr Mazda, Muk, Al-Tah.

      Fierce fighting is taking place in the area of ​​the Wadi al-Deyf military base. Details of the fighting are unknown.

      aleppo

      In the Daaret Azza region, during the preparation of improvised explosive devices, one fighter died from a premature explosion, and three more were injured. Heavy fighting is taking place in the area of ​​one of the objects of the Syrian Air Force near Aleppo, it is not possible to identify the exact location.

      Two servicemen were seriously injured by a militant sniper in the area of ​​Suleiman al-Halaby (Aleppo)


      Source: http://warsonline.info/siriya/siriya-svodka-boevoy-aktivnosti-za-18-dekabrya.htm

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      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 19 December 2012 17: 18
        +6
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RH1-zLGwFIY#!

        An interesting program about what is happening in Syria. They crush them there twice as Putin bequeathed - in the toilet. Moreover, it’s not the Special Forces who are victorious, but ordinary Syrians - soldiers, Special Forces from Turkey and Naglo-Saxony.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 19 December 2012 18: 49
          +3
          You took off the program on August 25th. There is fresh!
          But thanks anyway.

          1. Sandov
            Sandov 19 December 2012 19: 52
            +3
            Sith Lord,
            +++ Thanks for the info, you look so slowly rats and destroy. Amer choke on bile.
            1. Che
              Che 20 December 2012 14: 34
              +2
              Sandov,
              The West cannot give us advice, it does not have moral law, these international criminals.
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach 20 December 2012 00: 43
            0
            sometimes it’s interesting to look at the near past to perceive the near future. ))))
      2. panda
        panda 19 December 2012 19: 12
        -9
        Vladyka Sith, stop reprinting this propaganda, do you know in general that landing ships, oil tankers sailed to Syria to evacuate 30 thousand Russians?
        1. SIT
          SIT 19 December 2012 21: 52
          +10
          Quote: panda
          Do you know in general that landing ships, oil tankers sailed to Syria to evacuate 30 thousand Russians?

          So many people will not fit into any landing ships, but the landing from these ships is quite enough to ensure the safety of these 30 thousand.
        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach 20 December 2012 00: 55
          +6
          panda, approx.
          Let's say 2 BDK 775 followed the "running Russians" ...
          Well, suppose that some people will sunbathe on the deck ... total - a person, 300 for one BDK775 (calculated for 200 paratroopers, in cabins) ... 600 for two. even if a flight twice a month .... SO emergency evacuation is carried out ???????? A stoned rastamans may have, but the doctor allowed them ....
          And here is the question? panda, I read in the states legalized marijuana ... you do not abuse an hour?
          take care of your health.
    6. Van
      Van 19 December 2012 18: 52
      +4
      As noted by US Under Secretary of State William Burns, who also participated in the meeting,

      “The sooner the Syrian president resigns, the better it will be for the Syrian people” ..


      As I would have noted, lol
      "The sooner the American government puts a bullet in the head, the better it will be for the whole world!" fellow
      1. Saracen
        Saracen 19 December 2012 19: 11
        -5
        Quote: Wang
        “The sooner the Syrian president resigns, the better it will be for the Syrian people” ..


        Assad or his accomplices themselves will leave only when the rebels recognize the external opposition designated by the United States, which the rebels do not recognize.
        Otherwise, they will be taken out by those who rejected the pro-pro-opposition opposition and warned the West and others that any external introduction of troops (even the UN) would be regarded as aggression.
        1. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 19: 53
          +2
          Quote: Saracen
          Assad or his accomplices themselves will leave only when the rebels recognize the external opposition designated by the United States, which the rebels do not recognize. Otherwise, they will be taken out by those who rejected the pro-pro-opposition opposition and warned the West and others that any external introduction of troops (even the UN) would be regarded as aggression.

          Where did you get such information? If possible, give a link!
          1. Saracen
            Saracen 19 December 2012 23: 13
            -2
            The fact that some rebels reject the US project:


  2. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 19 December 2012 08: 31
    +9
    how the fall of the government we all saw in LIVIA.
  3. alexng
    alexng 19 December 2012 08: 31
    +21
    The information war is in full swing. In the West, the predictors of the end of Syria exceeded the number of predictors of the End of the World.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 December 2012 10: 05
      +1
      Quote: alexneg
      The information war is in full swing. In the West, the predictors of the end of Syria exceeded the number of predictors of the End of the World.

      The fact that Syria will not be able to restrain even the gift of clairvoyance is not necessary. Everything has been going on for more than a year, resources have been invested and are being invested, are they really going to recede, of course not. Syria does not receive any help from virtually anywhere, Iran and Russia are drops, China only in words. There is war, infrastructure is being destroyed, sanctions in addition. They will simply be starved.
      1. alexng
        alexng 19 December 2012 10: 12
        +9
        The big question is who the West or Syria will die faster. Now time is working against the US and Geyropa. And the "Arab friends of Syria" as a coalition will exist exactly as long as the West itself has.
        There is a wonderful saying "If the bride has gone to another, then it is not known who is lucky."
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 19 December 2012 19: 55
        +3
        baltika-18,
        Russia should take the side of the people fighting with amers and their rats. No matter what!
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 December 2012 10: 43
      +24
      Quote: alexneg
      The information war is in full swing. In the West, the predictors of the end of Syria exceeded the number of predictors of the End of the World.


      The end of Syria and Assad has been retold for a year and a half no less. Now the campaign has unfolded with renewed vigor. Insurgents of various stripes cannot achieve victory, now you need to stuff the western people with another lie to justify aggression and create a no-fly zone (so that Assad cannot use aviation).

      "Nobody except us!"The motto of the Russian Airborne Forces may sound over Syria.
      The airborne troops of the Russian Federation will come to the aid of women and children located in Syria, when necessary, and even ensure the evacuation of Russian citizens if necessary. This was announced on Tuesday by the commander of the Airborne Forces Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov. Moreover, Russian soldiers have experience in conducting such operations, writes a Russian Today commentator in Russian.
      Of course, the airborne troops will come to the rescue only if such a task is set by the country's military leadership, Shamanov added.
      “I declare absolutely responsible, we are ready for this. I remind you that we already have such an experience - in the evacuation of the Russian embassy from Kabul. If there is a team of the President and the Minister of Defense, we are capable of fulfilling such a task, ”said the commander of the Airborne Forces.


      “Where we are, there is victory” the motto of the marine corps can also be voiced over Syria. According to Interfax The Baltic Fleet sent a detachment of warships and auxiliary vessels to the coast of Syria
      On Monday, the patrol ship (TFR) Yaroslav Mudry, large landing ships (BDK) Kaliningrad and Alexander Shabalin, tanker Lena and a tug left Baltiysk on a long voyage to the Mediterranean Sea. They are heading to the shores of Syria for possible participation in the evacuation of Russian citizens, "a source in Baltiysk told Interfax. According to the agency's interlocutor," the campaign was prepared in a certain hurry, but it was highly classified, information about it appeared in recent days. "
      .
      here
      Today to the shores of the southern seas the ships of the Northern Fleet of Russia headed reports the press service of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
      The detachment consists of a large anti-submarine ship (BOD) Severomorsk, a rescue and towing vessel Altai, and a medium sea tanker Dubna.

      Until the special order of the General Staff in the Mediterranean Straits region there is the Moskva RC, as well as the Smetlivy patrol ship and the Novocherkassk and Novorossiysk landing ships.

      The presence of our surface ships, as well as the possibility of multipurpose nuclear submarines, should, in theory, tie the hands and complicate the Americans' task of supporting the invasion forces from the sea. NATO's naval strategic grouping now has 17 ships. led by the Dwight Eisenhower multipurpose nuclear attack aircraft carrier. It also includes one cruiser with cruise missiles on board, 10 destroyers and frigates. Four ships are armed with multifunctional missile defense systems Aegis, and we have BDK watchdogs and BODs, we are peaceful people and our ships a priori do not pose any threat to the AUG. But the very fact of presence will pretty much spoil the nerves of amers and deprive comfortable conditions for the bombing of Syria. And in other conditions, they have long lost the habit of fighting.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 11: 01
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        ships of the Northern Fleet of Russia

        Stanislav, I’ll supplement hi BF left Kaliningrad.
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 19 December 2012 11: 41
        +5
        Well, if Nato openly helps the opposition. That we can also from the ships of the Baltic Fleet, which there will regularly bombard the positions of militants. And if the English or French expert advisers there will fall, then these .. people and the road.
      3. rolik
        rolik 19 December 2012 12: 05
        +6
        To cancel the no-fly zone, the Patriots must be opposed with a rocket surface - a surface, preferably tactical and newer, Scuds are old already. The first Syrian Air Force plane shot down by the Turks respond with the destruction of the Patriots.
        1. igor67
          igor67 19 December 2012 12: 24
          +1
          rolik,
          Here you are wrong, not the Turks, but NATO, according to ORT, the Germans are already deploying the Patriots, and if the Syrians hit the complexes, they will untie the hands of the "friends of Syria"
          1. pav-pon1972
            pav-pon1972 19 December 2012 14: 36
            +6
            ... it will untie the hands of the "friends of Syria"
            In the process, they were not tied to them ....
          2. rolik
            rolik 19 December 2012 16: 57
            +5
            And what if, without UN sanction, a demon zone over Syria is declared. She will not be legitimate. A strike on Syrian aircraft would mean an armed invasion. Accordingly, the reaction should be appropriate, the destruction of these complexes. With the first missile that shot down a Syrian plane, military operations begin, not formally but realistically. And at this very moment, we will need to provide assistance to Syria. Eh, still the yellow-faced neighbor would join.
          3. Town Guard
            Town Guard 19 December 2012 21: 23
            +1
            Quote: igor67
            it will untie the hands of the "friends of Syria"

            If Russia was strong, it would be possible to give a hand-so that they would not pop into where it was not necessary. And there won’t be anything with her - well, the Korean spy plane, if I am not mistaken, was shot down - and nothing. Although, of course, the West was indignant - but this did not bother anyone. Russia (at least patriots and ordinary people) was also outraged about Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya - but the West absolutely did not give a damn about Russian protest. Here the right of the strong acts ... Suppose, Russia is a strong country. And even if we hit the US ally, which is part of the NATO bloc, it is unlikely that the United States will start a war with Russia, despite an article about an attack on part of NATO, which means an attack on the entire block. Nobody will arrange a nuclear war because of such trifles. The United States defeated Russia's allies - but Russia did not begin to start a war. Put the right weapon, and blame it on the rebels or on Syria, but then Syria should be properly covered - and the job is done.
      4. baltika-18
        baltika-18 19 December 2012 13: 25
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        The airborne troops of the Russian Federation will come to the aid of women and children located in Syria, when necessary, and even ensure the evacuation of Russian citizens if necessary.

        Our people won’t go there. And the evacuation of our citizens will mean the beginning of the end of the state of Syria. You can talk about the information war, but it serves only to justify certain actions, to hide something. The present Russia is not the USSR, they even have a state the tasks are completely different. Besides politics in its purest form, there is an economy and business influencing this policy. I express my personal opinion: I believe that the fate of Syria is being decided now and judging by the latest news, it’s clearly not in favor of the Assad government. I acknowledge my pleasure wrong on the pages of the site, if I make a mistake. But I think that I will not have to do this.
        1. pav-pon1972
          pav-pon1972 19 December 2012 14: 39
          +3
          I agree, it is necessary to evacuate the civilian population more in order to untie the hands of the Syrian army. The militants will not have to hide behind the backs of women, children and the elderly. And in general, why has Assad still not launched universal mobilization?
        2. kulpin
          kulpin 19 December 2012 20: 32
          +1
          I agree with you. Unfortunately, Russia now (unlike the USSR) has no politics. Neither internal nor, moreover, external. And there is only one "drink and take away" sale. The war is not won by evacuations.
      5. Sandov
        Sandov 19 December 2012 19: 58
        +2
        Ascetic,
        +++ There is still gunpowder in the powder flasks. I hope the rats find an inglorious end in Syria.
  4. Bykov.
    Bykov. 19 December 2012 08: 41
    +7
    Another "information attack" in the war against Syria.
    Let them dream further. For a year they have been predicting the death of the "Assad regime", and he is still there, alive and not harming, which is what I wish for him and Syria in the future.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 December 2012 08: 42
    +16
    Russia must ensure security in Afghanistan, after the departure of NATO, Normally, they got it all over. And further, throw off problems on Russia.
    NATO and the USA have an interesting approach; they try to influence and maintain leadership everywhere, but they cannot.
    It’s a complete idiot to decide to build gas and oil pipelines through the territory of chaos. Qatar thinks it will be able to build something. In Libya, half the country is armed to the teeth, most of which are either fanatics or Gaddafi’s supporters, they will build for you. In Syria it will be the same, complete chaos with shouts of allahu akbar.
    1. alexng
      alexng 19 December 2012 10: 17
      +6
      Chaos in Syria is unlikely to happen. The West is seriously exhausted and will not last long in this confrontation. Moreover, now they are the guardians of the "democratic order" after Libya in great confusion - "Is it necessary to continue in Syria?" And the NATO countries themselves are breathing hard. Wait and see.
      1. pav-pon1972
        pav-pon1972 19 December 2012 14: 41
        +2
        And to the West and the USA, oh, how small a victorious war war is now needed:
        1. Distract your electorate from everyday and socio-economic problems.
        2. Upload your defense industry, which will create additional jobs.
        3. + nishtyaki from victory ...
    2. yustas
      yustas 19 December 2012 12: 01
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Russia must ensure security in Afghanistan, after the departure of NATO, Normally, they got it all over. And further, throw off problems on Russia.
      NATO and the USA have an interesting approach; they try to influence and maintain leadership everywhere, but they cannot.
      It’s a complete idiot to decide to build gas and oil pipelines through the territory of chaos. Qatar thinks it will be able to build something. In Libya, half the country is armed to the teeth, most of which are either fanatics or Gaddafi’s supporters, they will build for you. In Syria it will be the same, complete chaos with shouts of allahu akbar.

      Alexander +
      I’m just afraid that these past all crises have the biggest crisis with brains and real analytics of what is happening around. It seems that everyone should be afraid of them.
    3. rolik
      rolik 19 December 2012 12: 08
      +10
      Russia must talk secretly with the Taliban. And after these negotiations open direct corridors for the supply of drugs, with the condition of non-delivery of drugs to Russia, Europioids, Angichans and, of course, Matrasnikov. Let them try the medicine that they prepared for us.
      1. mda
        mda 19 December 2012 15: 29
        +4
        Quote: rolik
        Russia must talk secretly with the Taliban. And after these negotiations open direct corridors for the supply of drugs, with the condition of non-delivery of drugs to Russia, Europioids, Angichans and, of course, Matrasnikov. Let them try the medicine that they prepared for us.

        There is already Kosovo in Europe, everything in the USA
        1. rolik
          rolik 19 December 2012 16: 47
          0
          We rephrase the famous statement by Ilyich.
          - Better more, but better.
          And definitely to our "friends".
    4. ImpKonstantin
      ImpKonstantin 20 December 2012 19: 34
      0
      Mda Gowen essentially offers two things:
      Lick America to shine w *** or rake the shit out of them ** ... And he calls this an opportunity to soften his defeat .. No Americans really are so stupid ..
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 December 2012 08: 55
    +13
    Oh, these states and company! They are either very naive or someone in our government bought! In no case should you give Syria!

    Personally, I do not see an unequivocal solution to the Syrian problem. You can enter troops and get the next center of confrontation. And we need it ??? Soldiers will die, big expenses ..... The puppet opposition will again sing on "order" ..... it may end badly. Assad fizzles out, if the opposition is fed by a lot of countries, then who supports Assad's army?
    You can try to move the center of tension or create a new one somewhere near Israel or Qatar ..... but this is somehow not humane!
    The best way, in my opinion, is to secretly send such a "sonder team" to Syria, which will slaughter all oppositionists and their "vyseurs" to the last one like sheep! And then also to punish those who contributed to the spread of the terrorist opposition! The ice is thin !!! How not to fail!

    In any case, the active intervention of our country is indispensable.
    1. Andrey64
      Andrey64 19 December 2012 11: 46
      +7
      Quote from JonnyT: "... Assad is running out of steam, if a lot of countries are feeding the opposition, then who supports Assad's army? ..." Assad also supports a lot of countries, without advertising at the same time. Otherwise, he would have long been bent, this also needs to be understood. There are few who want to speak openly against s, but everyone understands perfectly well that they can be next.
      Quote from JonnyT: "... The best way, in my opinion, is to secretly send such a" sonder command "to Syria, which will cut all the oppositionists ...."
      Cutting off all oppositionists is unrealistic - they will always be replenished. It is necessary to close the funding channels, and this is very difficult - almost from the realm of fantasy. As for the "sonder command", I suppose - who needs it, they have been working there for a long time (because too much is at stake), or do you think that the frog special forces (when there was a hype in the media) were tied by the Syrians ??? smile
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 19 December 2012 12: 38
        +5
        Quote: Andrey64
        It is necessary to block the financing channels, and this is very difficult - almost from the realm of fantasy.
        It’s necessary to block the supply channels of the militants, to deprive them of their bases. You won’t be able to shoot dollars from the accounts. And if you destroy caravans with weapons, the militants will not fight a lot. You can track them from space and direct Assad’s troops to caravans.
        Well, according to the article ... somewhere, once something like that already happened: "Russ, staffaisa, Moscow-kaput, Leninkhrat-kaput, resistance is useless!" We remember how it all ended then. Now, unfortunately, the government is different Let's see what she is capable of. But at heart it is somehow alarming.
      2. rolik
        rolik 19 December 2012 16: 49
        +2
        It is necessary to beat out the leaders who sit in neighboring countries. So to speak, chop off the head of a snake. The experience in this is huge, remember SMERSH.
    2. rolik
      rolik 19 December 2012 12: 10
      +4
      Send the battalion East, at the same time and have fun. And these guys are not much different from the locals.
      1. Karish
        Karish 19 December 2012 12: 13
        -1
        Quote: rolik
        Send the battalion East, at the same time and have fun. And these guys are not much different from the locals.

        Yes, the Chechens have already been seen by the warring ..... against Assad. laughing
        1. rolik
          rolik 19 December 2012 16: 50
          +3
          I know that's why I need to send the guys from the East. And to change into NATO uniform, that will be fun. When NATO "rebels" bandits begin to extinguish.
        2. Cavas
          Cavas 19 December 2012 21: 49
          +5
          Quote: Karish
          Yes, the Chechens have already been seen by the warring ..... against Assad.

          These or what?

          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 19 December 2012 22: 19
            +3
            These or what?
            Look, this moron fuse was thrown down into the barrel by a fuse fool
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 19 December 2012 22: 34
              +4
              Quote: Botanologist
              Look, this moron fuse was thrown down into the barrel by a fuse

              The first working day of the instructor! laughing
      2. pav-pon1972
        pav-pon1972 19 December 2012 14: 43
        +2
        The battalion has already been disbanded ...
        1. rolik
          rolik 19 December 2012 16: 51
          +2
          To revive not for long, there would be a desire.
    3. Sandov
      Sandov 19 December 2012 20: 05
      +1
      JonnyT,
      I support! Destroy these hoopoes from space. To cleanse the earth from filth.
    4. kulpin
      kulpin 19 December 2012 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      secretly send such a "sonder command" to Syria

      Mr. Taburetkin recently disbanded such a "sonder team" called the GRU.
  7. saveall
    saveall 19 December 2012 09: 06
    0
    Mdya ... Everything is slowly moving in the direction that Assad will not hold such pressure. Then our base in Tartus cried. And then Iran ... And then ...
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 19 December 2012 09: 33
      +16
      Quote: saveall
      Mdya ... Everything is slowly moving in the direction that Assad will not hold such pressure. Then our base in Tartus cried. And then Iran ... And then ...

      Do not lose heart the lieutenant ..... laughing
      Every time the Jews say "after all, the evacuation seems to be." And they sigh on purpose. And there is still no evacuation. request
      The question is different. And why are we constantly driving the BDK there? request
      And this is not the first, or even the second time.
      Here is a question and a question and the "Syrian friends" should think about it, and not what the GDP will answer them. laughing

      1. saveall
        saveall 19 December 2012 10: 02
        0
        I hope that you are right ... But the opportunities, resources and support of Israel and the Assad government are strikingly different. And it all seems to end together ...
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 19 December 2012 10: 59
          +12
          Quote: saveall
          Israel's resources and support

          My God, what resources are there? laughing
          Try to borrow from a Jew, having heard the amount, he will clutch at the heart and say that the whole nation does not have such money and at best will offer you water without gas, but for money! laughing

          1. yustas
            yustas 19 December 2012 12: 04
            +5
            Quote: Cavas
            My God, what resources are there? laughing
            Try to borrow from a Jew, having heard the amount, he will clutch at the heart and say that the whole nation does not have such money and at best will offer you water without gas, but for money! laughing

            + hi! I think they will most likely offer gas without water, well, in extreme cases, air on credit ...
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 19 December 2012 12: 15
              +2
              Quote: yustas
              + hi!

              Good afternoon!

              Quote: yustas
              I think they are likely to offer gas without water

              Mustard gas? crying

              Quote: yustas
              Well, as a last resort, air on credit ...

              These can! laughing
              1. yustas
                yustas 19 December 2012 13: 06
                +3
                Quote: Cavas
                Mustard gas?

                Well, why immediately mustard is still Zarin =) and many other wonderful OM.
          2. mda
            mda 19 December 2012 17: 36
            +3
            Quote: Cavas
            Try to borrow from a Jew, having heard the amount, he will clutch at the heart and say that the whole nation does not have such money and at best will offer you water without gas, but for money!

            He is a Jew and a Jew in Africa.
        2. Karish
          Karish 19 December 2012 12: 18
          -7
          Quote: saveall
          the resources and support of Israel and the Assad government are strikingly different.

          Well, no exaggeration. We definitely will not help Assad. There are acceptable limits, but also interfere with the same. But the opposition will not get any help from us. And Syria has Russia. even if it helps, we do not mind.
          1. yustas
            yustas 19 December 2012 13: 10
            +5
            Quote: Karish
            We definitely will not help Assad. There are acceptable limits, but also interfere with the same. But the opposition will not get any help from us. And Syria has Russia. even if she helps, we do not mind

            Good evening, again on a strange neck you want to leave ??? If Assad is replaced, you will be worse off first, so I think there is something to think about, the States are far away for us .... they are a priori advantage of war, which would distract people from internal problems, in 2008 someone from political scientists supposed that the USA they will begin to start wars in order to reduce tensions within the country, just as if we all would not be on this cute ball because of them (I’m very sorry here for my bad French) in the ASS ... And apparently we’re going to that .. .
      2. Karish
        Karish 19 December 2012 12: 16
        +3
        Quote: Cavas
        Every time the Jews say "after all, the evacuation seems to be." And they sigh on purpose. And there is still no evacuation.

        Take it easy . if they say it, then only with regret. Assad is the best (of the worst that surrounds us). Forced him in this war, at least for 15-20 years.
        1. saveall
          saveall 19 December 2012 12: 45
          +4
          Karish,
          Assad is the best (of the worst that surrounds us). Forced him in this war, at least for 15-20 years.

          The fact of the matter is that your American pale-faced friends, along with their Arab slanderers, will now dump Assad and put in his place some next Islamic radical whose attitude towards Israel will be much worse, so I don’t understand your policy. You should help Assad, not Russia. America then overseas they will fuck ... for now ... laughing
      3. dmitreach
        dmitreach 19 December 2012 14: 48
        +1
        Cavas, there is even a desire to count the number of such trips. and who will say that the Mistrals are not needed? Especially considering that they are larger than the BDK775. And they can go under the flag of the Ministry of Emergencies.))))) And what? There is a hospital there ... Honestly and inappropriately to throw dust in the eyes of the entire Indian subcontinent, that this is a humanitarian mission of "sparkling water", as they are 080808.
        stop for inspection, warship ...
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 19 December 2012 15: 38
          +1
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/26173/
          The combat service of the ships of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean continues.

          A detachment of ships of the Black Sea Fleet consisting of the Moscow guards missile cruiser, the Smetlivy patrol ship (project 61 ... is still alive), the large sea tanker Ivan Bubnov and the sea tug MB-304 continues to carry out tasks in the Mediterranean Sea .

          BDK Novocherkassk and Saratov
          , 21 November included in the detachment, December 11th returned to Novorossiysk. It is planned that after a short rest of the crews and replenishment of fuel and food The BDK, escorted by the escort ship Pytlivy, will again return to the Mediterranean Sea.

          On December 15, the medium sea tanker Iman left Sevastopol for the Mediterranean Sea.

          17 December a detachment of ships of the Baltic Fleet as part of the patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise left Baltiysk for military service in the Mediterranean Sea, BDK "Kaliningrad", "Alexander Shabalin"tanker Lena and rescue tug SB-921.

          18 December a detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet as part of Severomorsk BOD "Severomorsk", the medium sea tanker Dubna and the rescue and towing vessel Altai.

          Need Mistral ... just yesterday NEEDED!
      4. mda
        mda 19 December 2012 17: 35
        +1
        Quote: Cavas
        Every time the Jews say "after all, the evacuation seems to be." And they sigh on purpose. And there is still no evacuation.

        Jews have always been wishful thinking.
      5. bart74
        bart74 19 December 2012 22: 37
        0
        I would like to believe in it!
        1. mda
          mda 20 December 2012 19: 24
          0
          Quote: bart74
          I would like to believe in it!

          Read the story.
      6. PSih2097
        PSih2097 20 December 2012 02: 02
        +2
        The question is different. And why are we constantly driving the BDK there?

        and there are not enough resources of the KChF, DKBF and the Ministry of Emergencies to evacuate half a million people, it’s easier to introduce a brigade or two marines to protect the Russian population ... well, a couple of detachments of the Moscow Region OMON to disperse the disaffected militants ...
    2. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 19 December 2012 13: 00
      +1
      Yeah, to share the skin of an unkilled bear, it’s so ... Geyropeyski.
  8. borisst64
    borisst64 19 December 2012 09: 07
    +4
    So I did not understand, Bogdanov correctly said or not? If wrong, then where is the paragraph about his dismissal from the Foreign Ministry?
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 19 December 2012 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: borisst64
      So I did not understand, Bogdanov correctly said or not?

      What exactly Bogdanov said or did not say is not essential in principle.
      All that they need, they will say for themselves, and then assign authorship to us,
      and to our officials, discrediting them.
      The information war, however.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 December 2012 09: 13
      +5
      Quote: borisst64

      So I did not understand, Bogdanov correctly said or not?

      He said what he wrote in the text of the report, the option of which he spoke was quite possible. Another thing is how the State Department turned it.
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 19 December 2012 09: 39
        +16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He said what he wrote in the text of the report, the option of which he spoke was quite possible




        Commentary by Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesman A.K. Lukashevich on Syrian Issues
        2366-14-12-2012

        In connection with the statements of the Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for the Middle East and the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia M.L. Bogdanov on the development of the situation in Syria, circulated in Russian and foreign media, we would like to note that there have been any statements or special interviews with journalists in recent days not done.
        Meanwhile, in the course of the discussion on the Middle East and North Africa on December 13 in the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, the Syrian crisis, which has been going on for almost two years, was also touched upon, and well-known statements by representatives of the irreconcilable Syrian opposition and its external sponsors, predicting their “ fast victory over the regime in Damascus. "
        In this context, ML Bogdanov reiterated Russia's principled position on the lack of alternative political settlement in the SAR on the basis of the provisions of the Final Communiqué of the “Action Group”, which was consensus approved at the ministerial meeting in Geneva on June 30 this year.

        14 декабря 2012 года
  9. Uruska
    Uruska 19 December 2012 09: 16
    +4
    We constantly lose the information war! This is bad!
    1. Victor
      Victor 19 December 2012 09: 29
      +11
      Quote: Uruska
      We constantly lose the information war! This is bad!

      Unfortunately, we always lost the information war, but to our great happiness, we always won the real war.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 19 December 2012 11: 55
        +10
        Quote: Victor
        Unfortunately, we always lost the information war, but to our great happiness, we always won the real war.


        This war is infofamous for the political leaders, and as they said in the army, they don’t have to roll bags. And we lose because they have worked out the technology of zombie the population of their countries for a long time with the aim of vparivat him any unnecessary shit in a beautiful wrapper, creating rush consumer demand for foraging predatory loans, etc. Everything has been worked out for a long time and the ways of presenting information and deception technologies. Everything in the Western liberal world is built exclusively on exchange and trade relations. And the main principle is UNIVERSAL DECEPTION for the sake of making a profit or imposing this principle around the world for the sake of obtaining geopolitical advantages and destroying other types of relations (for example, fair partnership taking into account the interests of the parties) that impede the dominance of this ideology. For this and created SMRAD (mass media, agitation and misinformation). They perform the purely combat function of information warfare.
        1. Victor
          Victor 19 December 2012 13: 03
          +7
          Quote: Ascetic
          For this, the SMRAD (mass media, agitation and misinformation) was created. They perform the purely combat function of information warfare.

          Yes, you are right, everything in them in the West is VILOUS and MUCHLY, in Pharisee. They say one thing, they do another. It was always a shameful and vile thing for us Slavs to lie looking directly into our eyes. It’s in the eye or ear, if the words aren’t enough, it’s forever, please, it’s with great pleasure, and then you can have fun and fraternize.
          That's just the democrats call such behavior barbaric and not democratic. It’s a pity, there’s not enough silushka yet. We would still have a little time, you look and we can again in the eye or in the ear, for ourselves and for our friends, without any media, without Pharisaism.
          1. yustas
            yustas 19 December 2012 13: 13
            +3
            Quote: Victor
            Yes, you’re right, everything in them in the West is VILOUS and FUNNY, in Pharisee
            +

            Quote: Victor
            It was always a shameful and vile thing for us Slavs to lie looking directly into our eyes. It’s in the eye or ear, if the words aren’t enough, it’s forever, please, it’s with great pleasure, and then you can have fun and fraternize.
            +

            Quote: Victor
            We would still have a little time, you look and we can again in the eye or in the ear, for ourselves and for our friends, without any media, without Pharisaism.
            +
            The main thing is to start here, and there the brothers will catch up, such as Belarusians, Ukrainians, and those from the current republics, I think the people will catch up, everyone has accumulated questions for the Shit, but they are in no hurry to talk ....
            1. Stalinets
              Stalinets 20 December 2012 06: 28
              -1
              Just do not confuse those who lie with those who are at war. This is not the same thing.
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 19 December 2012 15: 37
            +8
            Quote: Victor
            It was always a shameful and vile thing for us Slavs to lie looking directly into our eyes.


            Recall famous merchant word and expression shake hands (shake hands with a friend after making a deal under honestly) Slavs also came from us. If the merchant did not keep his word, then he was betrayed by general contempt and no one wanted to deal with him. And in the West, and not only cunning and deception are considered not only in the order of things but also success criterion of a business person
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 13: 08
          +1
          The main goals of information and psychological support at a strategic level are:
          the formation of a positive for the United States and NATO internal (in the alliance countries) and international public opinion;
          neutralization by information and psychological means of Russia, China and other countries that have taken a negative position regarding NATO actions

          At the operational-tactical level, IPO objectives were to
          destabilization of the domestic political situation in the FRY;
          discrediting governments in the eyes of their own people and disorganization of public administration;
          demoralizing the population and personnel of the armed forces, inducing military personnel to desertion and disobedience;
          encouraging opposition authorities of the FRY to organizations, politicians and the media.
        3. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 19 December 2012 13: 40
          -2
          Ascetic
          Something you did not blurt out, mister sovramshi! If I am not mistaken, the position of political officer was in the Soviet army and in the navy, and here political officials in the information war for Syria ?????? But it is CORRECT, as you put it, "zvizdet" today is much MORE IMPORTANT than throwing our GENOFUND into a meat grinder. Let me cite as an example the lines of the poet V. Shefner: With the word you can kill, with the word you can save, with the word you can lead the shelves. The word can be sold, and betrayed, and bought, the Word can be poured into blasting lead.
          Moreover, right there you justified the IMPORTANCE of the information war and a serious approach to it from the West. How strange it is ... You already please decide.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 09: 31
    +11
    The actions of the West since the fall of the Berlin Wall and Yugoslavia, it looks like Hitler's thiumphalby-victorious procession, at the beginning of World War II. direct intervention. And the world is being "brainwashed" by FSA rebels freed Western journalists! Well, how can such humane freedom fighters not come to the rescue? Freedom is above all! (Deutschland uber alles!)
    1. saveall
      saveall 19 December 2012 09: 54
      +4
      Yes, there are not only star-striped ... Another force has appeared there, the so-called League of Arab States, in which certain well-known kingdoms are corrupted by crazy oil money, which are slowly starting to conduct a completely independent policy even from the United States. It’s just that it’s not yet visible, because their interests coincide at the moment. In addition, these kingdoms are distributors throughout the Muslim world and financial patrons of a certain ideology called Wahhabism, which has completely perverted Islam in some countries, including Russia. I don’t know whether they do it themselves or with the permission of the USA, but only one thing is clear that in the end the USA will play out ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 10: 24
        0
        Quote: saveall
        their interests coincide at the moment

        Will match for a long time drinks
  11. Karish
    Karish 19 December 2012 09: 32
    -5
    This protocol is definitely disinformation.
    So, the points of the plan. The “Protocol”, signed in Doha, includes a damn dozen of articles:
    1. Reduce the number of troops of the Syrian army to 50.000 people.

    It is not real and does not make any sense, in a country with a population of over 20 million. An army of this size is not just ridiculous, but does not make any sense. Especially considering the sponsors of the * Syrian * spring - Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who have long-standing claims against Israel - to abandon the methods of pressure in the face of the Syrian army - stupidity is not real
    2. New Syria will defend its right to sovereignty over the Golan Heights by political means. This means that Israel and Syria will sign a peace agreement under the auspices of the United States and Qatar.

    It is real, Syria has not tried to return the Golan by military means before
    3. Syria must get rid, again under the authority of the United States, of all types of its chemical and biological weapons and all missiles. This operation should be carried out in Jordan.

    Is quite real
    4. The country should completely abandon claims for the return of the territories occupied by Turkey (Liwa Iskenderun) and hand over to Turkey several border villages in the provinces of Aleppo and Idlib.

    I do not know the essence of the issue, I can not comment
    5. Expulsion from the new Syria of all members of the Workers' Party of Kurdistan. At the same time Turkey should be given those whom it has included in the list of terrorists.

    The issue is controversial, with the possibility of the collapse of Syria into 3 enclaves, one of which is Kurdistan, it will be difficult
    6
    . To annul all agreements and contracts signed with Russia and China in the field of subsoil drilling and arms supplies.

    Do they have any? There is very little oil in Syria, but there is enough gas around, and why should Gazprom compete in gas markets?
    7. Carrying through the Syrian territory of the Qatari gas pipeline to Turkey and further to Europe.

    100%. this is the reason for the support * of the Syrian spring * Qatar
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 December 2012 09: 34
      -8
      8. Permission to carry water pipes through Syrian territory from Ataturk Dam to Israel.

      Bullshit, there is enough water in Israel, there are agreements on the supply of water by Turkey to Israel 10 years ago. but they are frozen as unnecessary. Yes, and the relations between Turkey and Israel in recent years are simply disgusting - therefore this document is simply frank lies
      9. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are committed to rebuilding what was destroyed by the war in Syria - but on the condition that their companies have the exclusive right to reconstruct and exploit Syrian oil and gas fields.

      Yes, they will recover without it and they don’t need concessions, they have enough of their own, they need territory under the pipe
      10. Freezing relations with Iran, Russia and China.

      This will happen automatically. if Assad is toppled. Nothing to accept.
      11. Breaking relations with Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance movement.
      As for Hezbollah, most likely. about the Palestinians-complete nonsense. even explain laziness
      12. The Syrian regime should be Islamic, but not Salafi.

      This is not regulated. o Syria is much more secular than Egypt itself and the Salafists were never strong there
      13. This agreement will enter into force with the advent of the Syrian National Coalition to power.

      Is this a separate document? And when should it enter, under Assad or something?
      Erdinch Akkoyunlu from Turkish “Star gazette” writes that in Istanbul “Russia recognized Syria without Assad”

      Unreal . Syria without Assad - a country for Russia is always lost.
      When reflecting on the challenges of 2013, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov may also think about whether he will be able to cope with the consequences of a lost war. ”

      In general, it’s time for Lavrov to ask from the place of the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, except for indignant statements, the Foreign Ministry does not demonstrate any achievements. Failures in all directions, one should think not about individuals, but about Russia's interests. Assad will fall (and this unfortunately will happen), well? Does the Foreign Ministry have a fallback? Or a knee in the ass, as in Yugoslavia. Libya, Iraq?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 December 2012 09: 56
        +10
        Quote: Karish

        In general, it’s time for Lavrov to ask from the place of the head of the Foreign Ministry,

        Listen to you and do exactly the opposite !!! We will figure it out in our own country, without prompting the citizens of Israel.
        Quote: Karish
        Dips for all directions

        Come on, directly failures. Despite all the attempts of the United States and sixes, Syria is worth it. You have failures in all directions. Thanks to the USA, Israel is in the ring of fanatics.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 10: 30
          +5
          Karish, you are the one to take care of the replacement of Obama. He, frankly, is draining you. And then Lavrov. Send a "little man" - we will consider the candidacy laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 December 2012 10: 32
            +6
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Send "little man" - we will consider the candidacy

            Why are they their candidates surrendered, let them sit at home and continue to pair with the State Department, to surround Israel with scumbags. True then they will say Lavrov is to blame laughing
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 10: 45
              +8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              scumbag around Israel

              Nezrya Obama, after his first election to the Middle East, immediately hit the road, where he swore love and fidelity to the Arabs. And, after all, he is an honest man, it turns out! laughing
            2. yustas
              yustas 19 December 2012 12: 09
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Why are they their candidates surrendered, let them sit at home and continue to pair with the State Department, to surround Israel with scumbags. True then they will say Lavrov is to blame
              +
              Consider ... two, look ... three ... cover laughing
        2. Karish
          Karish 19 December 2012 10: 51
          -7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Listen to you and do exactly the opposite !!! We will figure it out in our own country, without prompting the citizens of Israel.

          Alexander, what is so aggressive? This is my opinion, it doesn’t fit, refute it, and when the dialogue goes to the level of type - d.d.a.s.- itself is simply silly. By the way, I am a citizen of Russia and therefore, at least, I have the right to my opinion on the situation in Russia, as long as Russian laws allow voting
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          C'mon, straight downs.

          Good achievements, we will rejoice together.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Despite all the attempts of the USA and sixes Syria is worth

          And I wish her to stand still for a long time, BUT THE JUST QUESTION IF IT FALLS (WHICH SOON WILL HAPPEN) CAN RUSSIA SAVE ITS INTERESTS IN SYRIA? - THIS IS AND IS THE WORK OF THE FOREIGN MINISTRY
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Thanks to the United States, Israel is in the ring of fanatics.

          What do we have to do with it?
          The fact that the United States and Europe do not understand anything in the BV is understandable. In any case, we are not so stupid as to help overthrow Assad.
          1. igor67
            igor67 19 December 2012 11: 13
            0
            Karish,
            Karish,
            And why do the USA and Europe need to understand something, they need energy resources, and as cheap as possible (better for a ball). Since Libya is rich in resources, and even close to Europe, the "friends of Libya" helped with aviation, otherwise Gaddafi would have crushed it, with Syria in a different way, it is needed as a transport territory for the Qatar pipe, therefore (my opinion) "friends of Syria" don't rush to invade
            1. Karish
              Karish 19 December 2012 12: 27
              0
              Quote: igor67
              with Syria in a different way, it is needed as a transport area for the Qatar pipe, therefore (in my opinion) "friends of Syria" are in no hurry to invade,

              100%, Igoryanich, you write absolutely correctly. Who would need this Syria if it had not for its strategic position on the path of oil and gas transit to Europe (bypassing Hormuz)
              And even if these factors were not (competition on the energy market), Russia would not have bothered very much upon the fact of Syria. Assad is a friend of Russia, while not allowing Saudi oil and Qatari gas to Europe.
              1. igor67
                igor67 19 December 2012 12: 39
                -2
                Karish,
                So I have voiced many times that there is a war between Gazprom and British Petroleum or Shell, and the common people are thrown a "bone" about the struggle between democracy and evil. In any case, the oilmen will win, even if the Russian money will be burned in Krushavella, and not in Sochi
                1. ole
                  ole 19 December 2012 18: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: igor67
                  As I have voiced many times, there is a war between Gazprom and British Petroleum or Shell, and the common people are being thrown a "bone" about the struggle between democracy and evil. In any case, the oilmen will win, even if the Russian money will be burned in Krushavella, and not in Sochi


                  Finally, two thinking chelas were found
          2. vagabo
            vagabo 19 December 2012 19: 04
            +5
            Karish,
            CAN RUSSIA SAVE ITS INTERESTS IN SYRIA?

            In the long run - YES with a high probability.
            The Iraqis are already turning their faces away from the United States. It's a question of time.
            The Russian Foreign Ministry is doing everything in the situation with Syria that depends on it. Lavrov is a professional of the highest class. In which country is there such a foreign minister? Mb H. Clinton? Wow !!!!
            Russia's interest is that the rules of the game in international relations are understood and respected by all countries. And now they are playing against Syria without any rules, meanly and unprincipled. Just then what? The anthill will be turned over, the next hydra will be raised, and where it will move further is another question.
            But with the thesis that the United States understands little in BV, one cannot but agree.
          3. Setrac
            Setrac 19 December 2012 23: 27
            0
            Dear Karish, some obvious truths do not require proof, for example: the grass is green - you will not be standing on the green lawn, to prove that it is green, so the anti-Russian position of some interlocutors is obvious and it makes no sense to explain the obvious things, they are on their own wave, on salary State Department.
        3. Ruslan
          Ruslan 19 December 2012 11: 36
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Israel is in the ring of fanatics.
          With its statements about the invasion of Syria, the West distracts from its real actions - the preparation of the Islamic revolution in Jordan and Saudi Arabia - in order to bring Islamic fanatics to power at the state level because they can’t really do anything in Syria to partisan Jahadists.
      2. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 14: 29
        +3
        Quote: Karish
        In general, it’s time for Lavrov to ask from the place of the head of the Foreign Ministry, except for the outraged statements, the Foreign Ministry does not demonstrate any achievements

        Yes, we will appoint a Jew Karish!
        Quote: Karish
        Failures in all directions, one should think not about individuals, but about Russia's interests.

        In-in better than the Jewish Karish, the interests of Russia, no one will take care!
      3. Piligrim
        Piligrim 20 December 2012 23: 05
        0
        And what did homegrown generals tell you (karish) minus?
        Stupid. They themselves understand everything! And you clearly answered the points! good
    2. Ratibor12
      Ratibor12 19 December 2012 17: 53
      +3
      Quote: Karish
      This protocol is definitely disinfect


      Desa is the Torah and other daughter's delirium. You have a lot of words, but few objective thoughts. Stupid retelling of alien propaganda. Soon it’s all over, so step march to the wall and ... cry. The amplitude of the oscillations is your choice.
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 19 December 2012 18: 39
        +1
        Quote: Ratibor12
        Desa is the Torah and other daughter's delirium. You have a lot of words, but few objective thoughts. Stupid retelling of alien propaganda. Soon it’s all over, so step march to the wall and ... cry. The amplitude of the oscillations is your choice.

        Yeah, something that Karish has sold today is in earnest, to see the money has arrived, fulfills it, or maybe he received a special task! There, posted the whole tape! Foreign Ministry criticizes, sick for Russia, Syria wishes good luck! something will happen soon, it’s not casual is it !!!!!
  12. Rashid
    Rashid 19 December 2012 09: 34
    +2
    To admit your complete defeat in exchange for a "package of ideas for cooperation" is just brilliant! Really, Putin will not seize this opportunity (just kidding, otherwise they will nominate).
    1. yustas
      yustas 19 December 2012 12: 11
      0
      Quote: Rashid
      To admit your complete defeat in exchange for a "package of ideas for cooperation" is just brilliant! Really, Putin will not seize this opportunity (just kidding, otherwise they will nominate).

      Yeah, the Japanese still give the islands, otherwise they will attack, and in general Siberia to the Chinese and so on and so forth ...
      There is an opinion to make them a lip-rolling machine ... and not even sell it, but give it away, you see, they will bear less "blizzard".
  13. anfreezer
    anfreezer 19 December 2012 09: 39
    0
    Well, the "Protocol" .. belay It remains only the last point to attribute that all those who supported Assad must voluntarily put a bullet in their heads .. By handing over the levers of influence in the world one by one, we risk being completely isolated, behind the "iron curtain" .. just not we will be the builders of this curtain and it will not depend on us to open it or not to open it, as in the days of the USSR. Perspective is not sad Putin and Co., of course, understand this, but are there some sluggish movements or our "Goodwin, Great and Terrible" knows and sees what we cannot see because of our green glasses ?! what
  14. Bob
    Bob 19 December 2012 09: 48
    +1
    "As for the preparations for the victory of Nazi Germany, this, of course, cannot be ruled out. But we must look the facts in the eye: the tendency is precisely in the direction that the government regime is losing more and more control over an ever larger territory of the country" - from the standpoint of the fall of 1941 It would have sounded exactly like this if people like M. Bogdanov were in the leadership. But, thank God, then there were other people there, and defeatist sentiments and even more statements of this kind were harshly crossed.
    The serious problem is how to save 100 thousand people. Russian (Soviet) origin?! ...
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 10: 33
      +1
      Quote: Bob
      The serious problem is how to save 100 thousand people. Russian (Soviet) origin?! ...

      100.000 people are tactics. The entire World Order is at stake.
  15. vezunchik
    vezunchik 19 December 2012 09: 57
    0
    This is where the "both yours and ours" policy leads. The world respects strength and firmness in protecting their interests. And when the GDP says one thing, and LADIES another ...
  16. Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 December 2012 10: 04
    0
    "Chickens are counted in the fall" not every egg becomes a chicken.
    What they want, we know, and how easily dreams will come true - wait and see.
  17. Delink
    Delink 19 December 2012 10: 06
    +6
    Demands from amers are huge, just go under us and we will help you pump your oil and gas and export billions of cubic meters. Otherwise, we take it by force. Then do not wait for money.
    and how much more can you endure this scum?
    1. vagabo
      vagabo 19 December 2012 18: 26
      0
      The joke was still like this:
      American geologists were surprised to find that some Arab country is located above the discovered oil field.
  18. Averias
    Averias 19 December 2012 10: 17
    +1
    I am not much confused by the fact, but why did we put the S-300 or S-400 into Syria? No, it’s not so simple as the US State Department says.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 December 2012 10: 18
      +4
      Quote: Averias

      I am not much confused by the fact, but why did we put the S-300 or S-400 into Syria?

      Where did you find this info, especially about C 400?
      1. Averias
        Averias 19 December 2012 11: 51
        0
        Yes, in my opinion there was infa not long ago, but I don’t remember the S-300 or not. That this is our response to the delivery of the Patriot to Turkey. For earlier, sorry if not right. By the way, here is the link http://topwar.ru/22047-rossiya-vooruzhaet-siriyu-moschnymi-ballisticheskimi-rake
        tami.html. The conversation there is about Iskander.
        1. Averias
          Averias 19 December 2012 12: 47
          0
          Once again I apologize for the confusion. I meant Iskander
          1. Averias
            Averias 19 December 2012 13: 05
            0
            Although this fact does not change the essence of my question. Why should we supply the same Iskander "if the Assad regime has lost, the West says.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 December 2012 10: 39
      +2
      why did we then put the S-300 or S-400 into Syria

      There is no S-300 and S-400, but there is S-200 Vega brought to mind and level S-300 by Belarusians, there are medium-range air defense systems and short-range air defense systems, while we do not forget that about 100 Russians and about 000 live in Syria citizens of the former Union ...
    3. djon3volta
      djon3volta 19 December 2012 11: 16
      0
      How to use the S-300 against militants? wassat
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 19 December 2012 12: 00
        +3
        How to use the S-300 against militants?

        There is no way for the S-300, but with shilka and tunguska it’s even ... Another point -Y can be added.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 12: 39
          +5
          Quote: djon3volta
          how to use S-300 against militants

          The possibility of hitting stationary ground targets was originally laid down by the developers in the design of the S-1979 air defense system adopted for service in the 300 year, as well as all its subsequent modifications.
          the guidance system used in the anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) of this complex (semi-active, with radio correction) in principle provides such an opportunity. Especially effective can be the use of S-300 against emitting objects (such as radars), when the onboard direction finder of the rocket firmly captures the target.

          The warhead of a missile system with a total weight of up to 140 kg contains a huge number of ready-made fragments (up to 19 000) and is powered by a non-contact radio fuse. Heavy fragments and high kinetic energy of the explosion are focused in a limited solid angle, which significantly increases the energy flux density of the fragments and ensures complete destruction of the target, regardless of the angle of the missile with the target.

          The range of destruction of ground targets can reach 120 km. The limiter here is the guidance system. Meanwhile, the power ratio of the rocket allows it to cover much greater distances. It is known that during the work on the C-400 complex in the eighties, a successful experimental launch was made of the C-300 complex at 400 km along a path close to ballistic with a maximum height of 70 km.
  19. radio operator
    radio operator 19 December 2012 10: 19
    +4
    Syria must not be surrendered. In no case.
    Neither morally nor financially.
  20. Ghenxnumx
    Ghenxnumx 19 December 2012 10: 25
    +1
    words of Mikhail Bogdanov, Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation:
    “As for the preparations for the victory of the opposition, this, of course, cannot be ruled out. But one must face the facts: the trend is precisely in the direction that government regime losing more and more control over an ever-increasing territory of the country. ”
    Enraged by the stupidity of officials, and even such a rank, a whole deputy of the Russian Foreign Ministry am - to repeat after the yellow media like CNN and other Times verbiage: "government regime", "Assad regime"
    Syrian Government - legal authority - and all other "authorities" on the territory of Syria and especially beyond its borders are terrorist organizations, subject to destruction, taking into account their crimes against the people and the government, without trial or investigation.
    1. evgenm55
      evgenm55 20 December 2012 14: 47
      0
      As for stupidity, have you got excited, do you really think that an official of this level can say what he said without a flip from the top? This is preparation for the discharge of Syria. Remember Libya - the same thing happened there.
  21. zambo
    zambo 19 December 2012 10: 25
    +1
    How confused everything is! Well, everything is clear with the West, but the words of our Bogdanov evoke different thoughts, and it’s a no brainer that an official of the Russian Foreign Ministry of such magnitude does not just throw words about (as they say, “he filters the market in full”).
  22. Footmansur86
    Footmansur86 19 December 2012 10: 27
    0
    Today, the United States recognized that after the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya, terrorism blossoms and smells, that is, it acknowledged its mistake, but this does not stop them in relation to Syria.
    The USA and the USSR were building muscle during the Cold War, but after the fall of the USSR, almost everything that had been accumulated went into oblivion, while the American army remained on balance.
    So now they are trying to return the invested funds, and they see the profit not so much in material but in political form.
    Agree having a car is difficult to refuse to ride on it.
  23. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 19 December 2012 10: 32
    +2
    Almost a year has passed since the beginning of the Troubles in Syria. Amers boasted back in the summer that the regime was about to fall, "wait another week."
  24. Gavrn
    Gavrn 19 December 2012 10: 54
    +1
    The West has a lot of Wishlist, but few real levers to put pressure on Russia. Through Syria, the soil is felt for taking on a fright. Everything rests on the resilience of the current leaders of our country.
  25. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 19 December 2012 11: 02
    +1
    That "the Syrian regime has no more than three months left," the West believes for the second year already ...)
  26. omsbon
    omsbon 19 December 2012 11: 03
    +8
    It seems to me that the capture of our citizens in Syria is untying our hands and allowing us to act by force.
    Protection of its citizens is the duty of the state.
    Protecting citizens, we will solve the remaining issues.
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 December 2012 12: 11
      -4
      Quote: omsbon
      Protection of its citizens is the duty of the state.

      I liked it, Israel has more Russian citizens than Syria, Libya, Egypt, Jordan and Iran combined.
      Something is not visible desire to even listen to the opinion of Russian citizens living here. By the way, far more Russian citizens died from Hamas missiles in Israel than in all the countries listed above combined, where is at least the minimum statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry? This is about double standards. laughing
      1. Ruslan
        Ruslan 19 December 2012 15: 54
        0
        Quote: Karish
        I liked it, Israel has more Russian citizens than Syria
        Russian citizens living in Israel - specify this is the fifth column of the West that lives and protects the interests of Israel and the West and in Russia and Ukraine (in most cases) steals, carries out subversive work in conjunction with the Jewish-liberal opposition
  27. Dr.M.
    Dr.M. 19 December 2012 11: 04
    -9
    And yet, when amers say that Russia is taking the "wrong side of history" they are right. If only because man is mortal. They support certain "movements" and "groups of friends", and we are essentially a specific person - who is mortal. And even if this death comes in 50 years - all the same it is the end of this personality and the victory of the "opposition forces", so the amers in a strategically win-win scenario, the only question is the duration of the resistance. So we should have long ago spat on the support of Gaddafi and other Assads, and set ourselves the goal of creating a thirst for democracy and change somewhere in Israel.
  28. Alvin
    Alvin 19 December 2012 11: 06
    0
    As for the landing ... I will express my subjective opinion. As soon as he appears there, there will be a WILD, WILD WOOL from the West, but this is not the main thing. The opposition will be immediately supported by all means. Fire, etc. etc. I risk getting "minuses", but it is unlikely that a limited group with the available leaks and means will be able to withstand NATO strikes ... Decrepit BDK and old weapons ... I will not say anything about communications. Something like that. Recently, after all, they have been engaged in strengthening the defenses of Molochny Lane. Maybe the Foreign Ministry, the supply of weapons ???
  29. djon3volta
    djon3volta 19 December 2012 11: 12
    0
    I think it will be as Vanga predicted .. everything goes to this for now .. the third world will begin after the fall of Syria .. and who is next in line after Syria? Of course, Iran, which they will try to reset as well, but Iran will go to VaBank, I think, and use it against its own enemies all the weapons that he has .. it will be worse than Libya, something like Vietnam, and even the similarity of the Great Patriotic War of the USSR and Germany 1941-45.
  30. zemlyak
    zemlyak 19 December 2012 11: 36
    0
    "Again we are moving away, comrade again we have lost the battle. The bloody sun of shame is setting behind us." We don’t know what we want. So we want it and we don’t know. Until now we cannot decide who is our friend and who is our enemy. India or China? Whom you want to choose. If you got into this game then there must be arguments, convincing arguments sobering the opponent. But they are not. I am silent about the blasted nuclear club. We thought we would send a BOD with a sea tug and a tanker and everyone would scatter? weapons, what will then start! It was Russia that covered Assad, it was Russia that supplied him with weapons, etc. And now, after Putin's visit to Turkey, it seems like it turned out that Comrade Assad is no longer our comrade and, in general, flies and cutlets are separate. We are feverishly trying to do what Romania, Italy and Bulgaria succeeded in World War II. From the countries of Nazi Germany's allies at the end of the war, become members of the anti-Hitler coalition and even declare war on Germany.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 December 2012 12: 02
      +4
      And now, after Putin’s visit to Turkey, it seems like it turned out that Comrade Assad is no longer a comrade to us and

      Comrade Putin arrived there not as president, but as Minister of Commerce ...
      1. panda
        panda 19 December 2012 18: 25
        -5
        that there musin forgot in Syria, he also wants to fall into the hands of the militants of Jabhat al-Nusra as a Kochnev what
    2. Volkhov
      Volkhov 19 December 2012 12: 50
      -9
      The Russian Federation is systematic where the United States has long been acting against Assad, who hoped for Russia 2 years ago, but was thrown and forced to completely rely on another global system.
      So the ships near Syria are a new delivery of the Trojan horse, which is quite clear to the enemy, and the paratroopers are a penal battalion, saving the lives of Americans.
      Assad as a leader "fell" long ago, becoming nominal, like the Manchurian Pu Yi, all real control of the army against the whole world is led by a superpower that avoids advertising, and only with a victory over it (which will require a full-scale war and does not look real) will a "victory of the West" occur the day before end of the world.
      1. TS3sta3
        TS3sta3 19 December 2012 13: 16
        0
        enchanting ...
    3. ole
      ole 19 December 2012 18: 49
      0
      Quote: zemlyak
      zemlyak

      He wrote everything correctly, verbiage is high time to finish, help mate. resources and anti-terrorist groups (but only who express a desire), forcibly send special forces unreasonably.
  31. AlexMH
    AlexMH 19 December 2012 13: 38
    0
    Obviously, it would be most beneficial for us if Assad cut off all the opposition and retained his power. Those 13 conditions, which are given in the article, completely give power in the Middle East to Islamists, undermine our economic interests and serve as preparation for an invasion of Iran. Apart from Assad, there are no figures in Syria that we could call friendly. It is also obvious that although we can (to a certain extent) defend Syria from external invasion, the Assad regime is not strong enough. Theoretically, we could send our troops to help Assad (in fact, what is an army for if it cannot be used in critical situations), but this is impossible, since the ways of their transportation to Syria are unclear, our government is incapable of decisively resisting Western aggression, and the liberals will have hysteria. However, Iran has troops, there are many of them, and we don't feel sorry for them. Once in a similar situation, a million Chinese "volunteers" came in handy in Korea, where we were not officially at war. But Iran does not have a common border with Syria. But there are the northern regions of Iraq controlled by the Kurds. As we can see, there are no good things for the Kurds at 13 points. Perhaps it would be more profitable for Assad to allow the Kurds to create their autonomy in northeastern Syria in exchange for the passage of Iranian troops through northern Iraq. True, then Syria may become a client of Iran, but as they say, "it's better to be dead than a Salafi" :)
  32. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 19 December 2012 13: 44
    0
    Syrian chemists have already prepared for the use of WMD: they have completed the process of mixing the components of sarin.

    So that is all. We prepared the information base, dragged Russia there, divided the skin of the bear ... It remains to pull the trigger. Well, who now believes that in the modern world the Armed Forces are not needed ???? Come out one at a time !!!
  33. Kibl
    Kibl 19 December 2012 15: 21
    +2
    It’s a shame for Russia that there’s nothing to answer, survived! Throw Assad’s weapons and specialists that after Chechnya there are no people with experience in combating bandits, many of them are in stock, pay them well, I think they will only be happy!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 December 2012 16: 02
      +4
      Yes there are weapons and specialists. Specialists themselves go to the government army to fight against militants.
  34. zambo
    zambo 19 December 2012 16: 00
    +3
    A crucial addition to this article.

    http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_22747/
    "The Americans surrendered again. To withdraw the forces of the American fleet from the shores of Syria."
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 19 December 2012 20: 39
      +2
      The aggravation of the situation around Syria is slightly subsiding. The Americans withdraw the Eisenhower aircraft carrier, the Iwo Jima helicopter carrier and two destroyers from the Mediterranean Sea. This decision is dictated by the need to "reduce tension in the region." What kind of tension are we talking about? Let's look at the course of events.
      The decision to provide Turkey with the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system by European NATO members is being implemented in the most hasty manner. The justification of this step by the fact that the Patriot could protect Turkey from artillery shells and mines, sometimes accidentally flying into its territory from Syria, is ridiculous. The complex is simply not able to deal with such goals. And it is intended primarily for the fight against aviation. True, he also has (very limited) capabilities to combat operational-tactical missiles, but not with artillery shells. Thus, the need for a “Patriot” in Turkey can only be caused by opposition from the Syrian Air Force. And such a development without the invasion of Turkish troops in Syria is simply unbelievable.
      At the same time, the forces of the American fleet and their allies advanced into the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea. Although the advance of the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle to Syria turned out to be a duck, the general naval forces of NATO in the region were very substantial. And the first fiddle in them, of course, was played by the American carrier strike group.
      In response to this, Russia is also strengthening its naval forces in the Mediterranean. These days, in addition to the ships already available in the Mediterranean Sea, ships of the Northern and Baltic Fleets advanced on a long voyage. Let me remind you that now in the Mediterranean Sea there is an inter-naval group of ships, led by the Moscow missile cruiser, which performs training tasks. The patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise, the large amphibious assault ships Kaliningrad and Alexander Shabalin, and support ships went to join them from the Baltic. Since their destination is precisely the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, officially, in addition to training tasks, the possibility of evacuating Russian citizens is not excluded. But the Northern Fleet put forward the BPC Severomorsk for a completely different task - against pirates in the Gulf of Aden. Last year, Severomorsk visited Syrian Tartus to replenish supplies after an anti-piracy mission. And now this task in the Horn of Africa area is performed by the ships of the Pacific Fleet, led by the Marshal Shaposhnikov BPC.
  35. Strashila
    Strashila 19 December 2012 16: 03
    +1
    Judging by the declaration, ordinary Syrians have no place on their land ... they need territory and preferably deserted ... no people, no problems.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 19 December 2012 20: 40
      +1
      The anti-piracy campaign of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet was recently canceled due to a “change in the operational situation”, although the landing ships Novocherkassk and Saratov entered Tartus, also to replenish supplies. The value of this logistics item is becoming increasingly important.
      Thus, the concentration of naval forces near the Syrian coast is indeed a rather tense situation. And the Americans have to defuse her a little. Turkey is not completely satisfied with this step, since it again remains without American support in the event of any active actions, preparations for which, as is quite obvious, have been conducted recently. However, the American "partners" again chose to "quietly surrender" - as after the provocation with the downed Turkish plane, as well as after provoking Israel to take active measures against the Palestinians using chemical weapons.
      It should be added that not only Russia's active position in protecting its interests in the region became the cause of the relaxation of the situation, but also internal events in American politics. Thus, the recent digestive upset by Mrs. H. Clinton should be considered a diplomatic illness, which allowed her to evade the hearings on the murder of the American ambassador in Libya. This murder was a direct consequence of the efforts of American foreign policy, which was recognized by a commission investigating the consequences of the Libyan events: “Extremists after the overthrow of the Muammar Gaddafi’s government have been virtually unpunished in Libya, the situation in the country has escalated significantly, the State Department’s counterterrorism coordinator admitted Daniel Benjamin ... Another such example, he called Syria, where the opposition has been waging an armed struggle with the government for more than a year and a half with the support of the West. According to the representative of the Department of State, members of the Iraqi cell of al-Qaeda are trying to settle in Syria on a long-term basis. Benjamin admitted that the terrorists are fighting on the side of the opposition. "
      The conclusions of the commission should be taken into consideration, as they greatly influenced the decision not to aggravate the situation around Syria. This, of course, does not mean that the plans of the US administration to destabilize the region have somehow changed. However, the domestic political situation requires caution, sometimes resorting to intestinal upsets, so as not to discredit all foreign policy in recent times and to avoid publicizing the main reasons for “supporting democracy” in the Middle East. They may not like very much both American society, convinced that the fight against terrorism is the main driving force of American foreign policy, and the US allies in the region, who are not always informed that they are sacrificial pawns in the American game.
  36. Forest
    Forest 19 December 2012 16: 43
    +1
    If there hadn’t been a Russian military base in Syria, NATO would have arranged a military invasion for a long time. And Putin is not a military man, but an intelligence officer, so his tactics are often expectant and their actions are indirect (I don’t discuss the correctness of his actions).
  37. WW3
    WW3 19 December 2012 17: 04
    +3
    And this is a catastrophe for Russia, the expert believes.
    “It will be a disaster for her in many ways. Approximately 30000 of Russian citizens live in Syria, including an unknown number of military advisers whose lives will be in danger. Putin and his assistants are worried about the ties that exist between the radical Islamist groups in Syria and the Russian Caucasus. If Russia fails to defend President Bashar al-Assad, it will weaken the remnants of its influence in the Middle East, and above all in Iran. China, who supported Russia in the UN, will also be unhappy. "

    Well, maybe there will be no disaster, but the weakening of Russia's positions in the Middle East is unequivocal ...
    We must not allow the victory of mercenaries in Syria, otherwise it will be the next blow in the logical chain to Iran, and this is very close ....
    It is necessary to help the Syrian army in every possible way with Russian weapons and "military consultants" similar to how Uncle Sam breaks his teeth in the Vietnam war ...
  38. shoroh
    shoroh 19 December 2012 18: 00
    -2
    it is necessary to respond to the defeat of Syria somewhere in a more convenient place - Transnistria, Crimea, and Karabakh. and get involved in a war with the locals so far does not make sense. no matter how much we want to shy away from these Qatari people, we still have no strength to punish them.
    1. shoroh
      shoroh 19 December 2012 18: 03
      +2
      in general, tartus can be taken under control by small forces. set up roadblocks and all. type of protection. accept refugees, deploy air defense points. intelligence.
      1. panda
        panda 19 December 2012 19: 10
        -4
        Wow, what military universities did you graduate from? What genius of strategies and tactics did you swing to Transnistria of Moldova, the Crimea of ​​Ukraine, the Karabakhs of Azerbaijan, are you not ashamed of how to offend little guys, and are you afraid to stay without friends at all?
        1. Van
          Van 19 December 2012 19: 33
          +2
          Quote: panda
          but the fact that you risk being without friends is not afraid to stay?

          If, in your opinion, the friends of Russia are the West or the democratic degenerates generated by it, then let them burn in a nuclear flame. am
        2. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 19 December 2012 22: 36
          0
          Quote: panda
          but the fact that you risk being without friends is not afraid to stay?

          Friends of Russia - the Army and the Navy, but for "s, w, a" - sex minorities and eunuchs, and at the first major turmoil it will all scatter like frightened cockroaches.
        3. Piligrim
          Piligrim 20 December 2012 23: 16
          0
          Oops! So pen ... am you can, but no RF !?
          Yes, you are a rude old man!
  39. stranik72
    stranik72 19 December 2012 19: 49
    0
    Quote: panda
    but the fact that you risk being without friends is not afraid to stay?

    And at what time were friends in Russia? There were always and a lot of enemies, fellow travelers, yes, but friends, you said stupidity, we always dealt with our enemies at all times, the people and their army, others helped us with reluctance and great need. Yes, now we are in the ass thanks to our elite, but everything can very soon change in the other direction, it will not be so more than once, the main thing is that the Russian people (Belarusians and Ukrainians) survive and do not lose their identity, and there it is tight, as it were and on the sandpit field, near Borodino and in the IKhMO stalingrad, So we are not afraid of the usual, but we will soon see what will happen to you in a similar situation.
  40. Helizer
    Helizer 19 December 2012 20: 03
    0
    I wonder where all these politicians and experts get information about the situation in Syria if, at the direction of the United States, their embassies were evacuated from there.

    From the militants via Twitter? Then do not be surprised at the violent flight of their imagination in the forecasts.
  41. homosum20
    homosum20 19 December 2012 20: 42
    0
    It's time to send troops. There are 30 of our citizens there. That's to protect their interests. They will not start a war. Now they have not yet begun. Psychologically, they are not ready. But in Iran they will already begin.
  42. xan
    xan 19 December 2012 20: 46
    +1
    enraged by the comments of some here that ours again lost the information war. and how to win by playing in their territory according to their rules. and all that can be overcome in this situation in terms of information, in my opinion, our squeeze
  43. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 December 2012 21: 14
    +6
    Destruction of the militants command post

    1. Cavas
      Cavas 19 December 2012 21: 33
      +8
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Destruction


      In the third second of the video, she went-- now, and Allah, and Babah, and Akbar!

      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 19 December 2012 21: 47
        +3
        Kawas, thanks for the movie. Short, but meaningful.
    2. Saracen
      Saracen 19 December 2012 23: 42
      -8
      Cut about the capture of the infantry school in Aleppo
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 20 December 2012 00: 51
        +6
        Quote: Saracen
        Cut about the capture of the infantry school in Aleppo

        Ever since the start of the second round of Operation Damascus, the information on the events on the ground was contradictory. Sometimes the news reports that armed rebels have taken over key positions in the Syrian capital, and sometimes there are reports that the Syrian army ambushed the rebels, inflicting heavy casualties on the opposition.

        After more than two weeks of clashes in the Rif Damashq administrative district, the fog around the facts about the "offensive" of the rebels began to dissipate.

        Apparently, the armed opposition - especially Jabat al-Nusra - suffered serious losses.

        According to information received by As-Safir from knowledgeable sources, the Syrian regime for several weeks knew about the rebel plan to storm the capital with the participation of thousands of fighters of all nationalities. The plan was to take control of the cities of Harast and the Duma, which would serve as a springboard for an attack on Damascus.

        The rebels sought to seize control of the city of Jaraman after a series of bombings were carried out in and around the city as a way to drive out its inhabitants.


        Nevertheless, on the advice of the special services - an ally of the Syrian regime - and in coordination with the Syrian army, a proactive plan was drawn up to repel the attack, which was to take place on the morning of the first Saturday of December.

        The main provision of the plan was to lure the militants into premature battles, disrupting their ranks, and then inflicting a mortal blow on them.

        The Russian weekly Argumenty Nedeli reported recently that "the Syrian army has succeeded in launching the first attack on the rebels, scattering their ranks, with the help of Russian intelligencewho advised the regime on how to carry out a pre-emptive strike. "

        A few days earlier, the Syrian regime carried out a tactical maneuver on the advice of allied intelligence, according to the following scenario: strategic weapons were removed from the caches, making the false impression that the weapons were being transported to a safer place.
        Meanwhile, foreign satellites, especially satellites of the United States, recorded the actions of the Syrian army. This caused the international community to fear that Syrian forces are using a special type of weapon, while leaks in the media spoke about the possible use of chemical weapons.

        Enemies of the Syrian regime facilitated the implementation of this scenario, thinking that this would lead to foreign intervention or pressure on the regime to come to terms with minimal political gain.
        However, propaganda about chemical weapons did not play in favor of the militants; rather, it negatively affected their combat work.


        1. Cavas
          Cavas 20 December 2012 00: 52
          +2
          Other sources also indicate that the plan provided for the dissemination of inaccurate information about the widespread desertion from the ranks of the Syrian regime’s troops defending Damascus. Moreover, it was reported that the Syrian troops were allegedly completely broken. Because of this, reports of the fall of important centers and bases in the capital and of large desertion from the army spread.

          All this made the militants mobilize in the vicinity of the capital and launch a premature attack. Rumors spread by the regime itself prompted the rebels to attack Damascus immediately. The theory of the collapse of the Syrian army in the capital was supported by the rapid advance of the rebels for several days, which did not meet any significant resistance, since the Syrian army left a number of its military positions. This maneuver was intended to create a gap between groups of militants and their supply lines.
          According to the British newspaper The Independent, “The Syrian government has adopted a new strategy in recent weeks, according to which it is withdrawing its troops from bases that cannot be defended in order to concentrate them in Damascus and other cities it considers to be strategically important. allowed the army to launch a successful counterattack in the last week, easing military pressure on the capital and improving its negotiating position.

          The newspaper also quoted a source in Damascus as saying that "The government says it is a strategic choice not to defend small outposts."

          In addition, sources made it clear that the rebels and their supporters had the impression that the collapse of the regime was already near. And so they launched their attack two days earlier than planned, on Thursday, November 29, as the regime had hoped.
          At the beginning of the attack, any connection was interrupted in the country, which was the first shock for armed groups that could not provide updated information to each other about the progress of the fighting.
          Sources called the attack on Damascus the largest and most serious since the beginning of the Syrian crisis. Armed groups have been trapped by the Syrian military, who have undergone extensive training in Russia and Iran on how to conduct counter-attacks against gangs.

          It should be noted that Russia and Iran have agreements with Syria on strategic cooperation and the exchange of technical and security services.
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 20 December 2012 00: 54
            +4
            In this battle, a massive shelling of the locations of the rebels was used, scattering them into several areas. Syrian troops then counterattacked simultaneously from east to west, after luring the rebels into areas located more than 40 km from the capital and 20 km from their supply lines. This forced the rebel groups to head to the cities of Harast and the Duma, right under the fire of the regime’s troops — which the regime was counting on.

            Clashes also went along the front in Ghouta, in eastern Damascus. The rebel forces were depleted before they could reach the airport, especially in the cities of Haran al-Avamid, al-Delba, Saqqa, Deir al-Asafir, al-Malih, Babil, Damir, al-Khujairah and Khan al-Shayk .

            The battle ended in the city of Daraya, where hundreds of militants were killed, some of whom were non-Syrians. According to sources, the death toll of members of armed groups is much higher than reported in the media.

            As for the coming days, sources said that the United States gave opposition rebels one month to launch the third round of attacks on Damascus in an attempt to achieve serious success on the battlefield, which would help speed up the terms of the Russian-American settlement.

            This settlement should enter into force by the end of January on the basis of agreements reached in Geneva.



            “Al Monitor”, USA - December 14, 2012
            "Syrian Army May Have Set Damascus Trap for Rebels"
            Syrian army may have set a trap for rebels in Damascus
            1. Che
              Che 20 December 2012 14: 55
              +1
              Cavas,
              +++ Respect. Good news as a balm for spiritual wounds. Death to rats and their owners.
      2. btsypulin
        btsypulin 20 December 2012 11: 36
        0
        Wahabbits damn some on the video ........
  44. family tree
    family tree 19 December 2012 21: 22
    +6
    Somehow in the 41st Pomnitsa, the West of the USSR analyzed 10 weeks, they say they will last.
    And others, right there, the plan for this business was driven away, called "Ost".
    The first ones laughed, the second ones finally left in the negative, but what can you ask fools except for analysis.
  45. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 19 December 2012 22: 30
    +1
    Forecasts, and necessarily with a positive result for the West, are an attempt to pass off wishful thinking. In fact, no one has been given a chance to know what will happen in a brewed U.S. Middle Eastern boiler.
  46. bart74
    bart74 19 December 2012 22: 42
    +2
    Oleg Chuvakin again wrote a good article with subtle irony in his original style. I think we are all sick of the recommendations of the "GREAT" West, what should we do.
    I want to believe that we will not lose Syria, because there is something to lose. This is the base, and 30 Russian diasporas and influence in the Middle East.
    Well, we already had it.
    The Germans also stood near Moscow and Leningrad. Yes, and we surrendered the main altar twice in 1612 and in 1812.
    So we don’t get used to it!
    But Pasaran!
  47. Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 19 December 2012 23: 50
    +1
    For power hurt!
  48. schapchits
    schapchits 20 December 2012 02: 09
    0
    Quote: Deniska999
    Of course it is necessary for the West: to destroy everything and everything, and we look into its mouth. And in general, it is necessary to land troops in Syria and smash the damn opposition. The victory of the opposition is the victory of the West and the USA.

    It seems there were two months ago rumors about the preparation of the Pskov Airborne Division for dispatch to Syria
  49. Olaf555
    Olaf555 20 December 2012 03: 24
    -2
    We will not surrender Syria !!! She - in fact, our province !!! soldier
  50. Magadan
    Magadan 20 December 2012 05: 02
    +3
    I re-read the whole Internet about Syria. Assad doesn't seem to have a problem. Rather, it looks like a brilliant trap for SAS scumbags. The army handed over rye objects and settlements, the militants poured there, fragmented, stretched out communications. Then they were trapped in this trap. Rather, they still clap.
    But, anyway, it’s rubbish, because west there will send a new cannon fodder. In the East, now you can recruit to a fig