The weak point of the Messerschmitt Me.262 fighters

The German Messerschmitt Me.262, which took off on July 18, 1942, became the first aircraft with a turbojet engine that was used in combat.

Piston-engined fighters were used in the Red Army and the Allied Air Force, which were significantly inferior to the new German machines, called "Swallow" and "Petrel".

According to German data, the Messerschmitt Me.262 could accelerate to 875 km/h. For comparison, this indicator for the Soviet LaGG-3 was 575 km / h, for the MiG-3 - 640 km / h, and for the Yak-1 - 560 km / h.

In this regard, the Luftwaffe pilots who flew the Me.262 used the tactic when the German fighter made a lightning attack from a dive height to the width of the bombers and a quick departure from the target. Due to the high speed of the attacker, the cover fighters simply did not have time to pull together.

In addition to maximum speed, Messerschmitt Me.262 outperformed competitors in rate of climb and could perform vertical climb, which at that time was unrealistic for aviation USSR and allies.

In general, according to experts, the German Messerschmitt Me.262 was far ahead of its era in terms of its technical characteristics. However, he also had his weak point.

According to the memoirs of German test pilot Gerd Lindner, the only weak point of the first turbojet fighter was its engine.

For production models, the resource of the power plant was only 25 hours. If he did not fail during this time, the same amount was added to this period.

However, as Lindner wrote, keeping the Messerschmitt Me.262 engine in working order beyond the norm was an extremely difficult task.

The thing is that for these fighters, a sharp change in engine mode was almost fatal. This was their weak point.

For example, according to a German test pilot, if the plane was attacked during landing approach, then the abrupt change in the operating mode of the power plant made by the pilot almost inevitably led to its failure.

Comments

[Nexcom]

Tkm, no less, our ace in the Second World War flunked this prodigy precisely on a piston fighter .....
And so yes, they drank blood with their "dagger attacks" from above.
Bite and drop quickly.
But this did not help the Third Reich.

[novel66]

Absolutely right! Kozhedub Ivan Nikitovich, moreover, it was on a dive, i.e., the same tactics for the same

[novel66]

Aircraft La-5 FN, by the way
Ttttttttt

[svp67]

Quote: Nexcom

Tkm, no less, our ace in the Second World War flunked this prodigy precisely on a piston fighter .....

But if we compare how many Germans on the "Swallows" were able to fill up the Allied aircraft, then the score is clearly in their favor
In the Red Army Air Force, seven pilots have victories over the Me-262:
- February 19, 1945 Kozhedub, on La-5fn
- In mid-March 1945, Senior Lieutenant Markveladze, on the Yak-9
- March 22, 1945, Lieutenant Sivko, on a Yak-9 aircraft.
- In April 1945, Captain Vladimir Yegorovich, on the Yak-9T
- April 27, 1945 senior lieutenant Dolgunov, on the Yak-3
- April 30, 1945 Senior Lieutenant Ivan Kuznetsov, on the Yak-9
- April 1945, Major Yakov Okolelov, on the Yak-3
In the Royal Air Force of Great Britain, only the pilots who fought on the Hawker Tempest have 11 victories, but there were also pilots on other types of aircraft.
And against all this background ... The best ace of the Luftwaffe - a pilot of a jet aircraft, was considered Lieutenant Kurt Welter, who won 29 victories in a jet aircraft. Captain Franz Schall scored 17 jet victories. Lieutenant Rudolf Rademacher and Lieutenant Colonel Heinz Baer each had 16 victories. In total, there were more than 22 Luftwaffe aces who achieved 8 or more victories in air combat on jet aircraft.

[Von_Schmidt]

The T-34 is the best tank of the war, yet the German tankers and other panzergrenadiers screwed them up in crazy numbers.

[DMFalke]

With a caveat. Conditionally the best can be considered T-34-85, 44 years old. Moreover, on March 44, with the S-53 gun, which entered the front, it’s good if by the beginning of May. For 4 years of the war, the T-34-76, Su-76, KV, T-60 pulled the strap, and in the end all the glory went to the T-34-85 and Su-100, as war machines.

[svp67]

Quote from DMFalke

and all the glory eventually went to the T-34-85 and Su-100, as war machines.

And the "Victory tank" was generally called the IS-3))). But such is life. "Victory has a lot of relatives, this Defeat is an orphan"

[lukash66]

Quote from Von_Schmidt

The T-34 is the best tank of the war, yet the German tankers and other panzergrenadiers screwed them up in crazy numbers.

Did you read the reports of the panzergrenadiers, or did they add more tankers from the TTB here? Can you be more specific, in pieces? And why precisely panzergrenadiers? And the rest of the flies caught? Read the conclusions of the commissions of the Red Army, starting from the year 43, when the battlefield was mainly left to the Red Army. So there, the percentage of losses of our tanks mainly ranged from 60 and above from mines, anti-tank artillery 5,0 / 7,5 cm, the same caliber tank guns Pz. 3/4/5, anti-aircraft 8,8 flak put on direct fire, corps guns. Percent 5-10
accounted for enemy aircraft. And another 5-10% on our dolbo .... maybe - they drowned in a swamp / river, etc. Losses from hand-held anti-tank weapons in the face of all sorts of different panzershreks and faustpatrons went uphill sharply by the year 45, during the storming of cities in Germany .

[paul3390]

He had a bunch of other bugs too. Like any aircraft with engines under the wings - a very low roll rate, as a result - maneuverability. Unsatisfactory acceleration characteristics - it took a long time to gain maximum speed .. And so on. As one of our aces correctly noted, the actions of a fighter can by no means be reduced to a single "ball on an elastic band" technique. Moreover, ensuring the actions of one's own bombers is no less, if not more, an important task than destroying enemy ones.

But - of course, the plane was epoch-making, despite numerous shortcomings. Like it or not - but the first serial reactive ..

[Bad_gr]

Quote: paul3390

He also had a bunch of bugs.

And one of them, when the allowed maximum speed was exceeded, went into a dive, from which the plane could not get out.

[svp67]

Quote: Bad_gr

And one of them, when the allowed maximum speed was exceeded, went into a dive, from which the plane could not get out.

He just "stepped over" the "line of the famous" in aerodynamics at that time ...

[Ika_Zorge]

The test pilot of the Air Force Research Institute Kochetkov Andrey Grigorievich encountered this phenomenon - a breakdown in an uncontrolled steep dive. He got out of the situation by intuitively removing the throttle to idle and only then held the handle ON HIMSELF with both hands, trying to keep the car from stalling. When the speed dropped, the control was restored. ..In the frames of the German trophy newsreel, our pilots observed that the German pilots, when exceeding the speed of 880 km per hour, when the car falls into a steep peak, try to hold the handle with both hands, not reacting with ores, and when diving, the loads on the handle are such that physically it is impossible to select a handle, and overloading with such a conclusion will destroy the structure.

[Maxim G]

According to German data, the Messerschmitt Me.262 could accelerate to 875 km/h. For comparison, this indicator for the Soviet LaGG-3 was 575 km / h, for the MiG-3 - 640 km / h, and for the Yak-1 - 560 km / h.
/ The level of the article is shown clearly.

[svp67]

According to the memoirs of German test pilot Gerd Lindner, the only weak point of the first turbojet fighter was its engine.

And dragging into a "death dive" at high speeds, it's so ... just a misunderstanding

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Me.262A-1 / U-4 - "Pulkzerstörer" (German Pulkzerstörer, Destroyer of the formation - Me.262A-1 variant with a 50-mm MK214A cannon with 26 shells in the bow.

[faiver]

this indicator for the Soviet LaGG-3 was 575 km / h, for the MiG-3 - 640 km / h, and for the Yak-1 - 560 km / h.

- where is the data on I-16 and I-153? you can also compare with the I-5, but the fact that aircraft of different generations is garbage, trifles.

and the Allied Air Force used piston-engined fighters

- where did the English meteors go?

[lukash66]

It is not clear why the author cites LaGG3, MiG3 and Yak1 for comparison? By the time the Me262 was used in commercial quantities, the Red Army Air Force already had completely different aircraft. There is such a stupid movie - "Fighters", this is where the bastard political officer, like the captain (and this is a bastard for modern liberals) roams with the Order of Suvorov (or Kutuzov, I don’t remember exactly). So there Dyuzhev pushed such pearls about both Me262 and Pe2. Tin.)))) But even there, his regiment was already, as it were, on the Yak3. They really missed the camo, black and green. If only in tyrnet they would ask about the color of Soviet aircraft, where, how and when.)))

[Maxim G]

Quote from: lukash66

It is not clear why the author cites LaGG3, MiG3 and Yak1 for comparison? By the time the Me262 was used in commercial quantities, the Red Army Air Force already had completely different aircraft

LaGG-3 finished production in July 1944.

[lukash66]

Quote: Maxim G

Quote from: lukash66

It is not clear why the author cites LaGG3, MiG3 and Yak1 for comparison? By the time the Me262 was used in commercial quantities, the Red Army Air Force already had completely different aircraft

LaGG-3 finished production in July 1944.

Yes, but for the most part, completely different aircraft were already occupied in the Red Army Air Force IP.

[Maxim G]

Quote from: lukash66

Yes, but for the most part, completely different aircraft were already occupied in the Red Army Air Force IP.

Like the Luftwaffe

[lukash66]

Quote: Maxim G

Quote from: lukash66

Yes, but for the most part, completely different aircraft were already occupied in the Red Army Air Force IP.

Like the Luftwaffe

Persuaded)))

[Rumata]

History goes in a spiral.

The Ural company "Unmanned Vehicles" presented at the military exhibition at VDNKh a sample of Russia's first jet-powered FPV kamikaze drone of the aircraft type K-5.

[Kusja]

I had a chance to communicate with the mechanic me262. He said that he was not for a maneuverable battle, but for a quick approach horizontally, a queue and dosvidos.

[Maxim G]

Have you talked to War Thunder?

Quote: Kusja

I had a chance to communicate with the mechanic me262.

[faiver]

people must be believed, in theory, if Kuze is about 70 or more, then he could well communicate with the mechanic of the 262nd. Plus, there are flying 262s even now, which is why it is impossible to get acquainted with a modern specialist.

[Maxim G]

Quote: faiver

people must be believed, in theory, if Kuze is about 70 or more, then he could well communicate with the mechanic of the 262nd.

An anecdote on this topic comes to mind:
The teacher (see the year 1945) asks the children:
- Children, who and how did you help the front?
Nastya:
- I sent tobacco pouches to the front.
Masha:
“I helped my mom do the dressings.”
Teacher:
- Well done!
Little Johnny:
- And I brought shells to the soldiers!
- Vovochka, you're a real hero! Were you thanked?
- Yes, they told me: "Gut, gut, zer gut, Voldemar!"

PS As far as I know, there are no flying Me-262s, there are replicas with modern civilian engines.

[faiver]

Well, after the war, ours also exploited some limited number of captured 262s
do you think the replicas have heavily modified performance characteristics?

[Maxim G]

Quote: faiver

Well, after the war, ours also exploited some limited number of captured 262s
do you think the replicas have heavily modified performance characteristics?

I think when a person makes such statements, the first thought about him that comes to mind is the right one.

[lukash66]

Quote: Maxim G

Have you talked to War Thunder?

Quote: Kusja

I had a chance to communicate with the mechanic me262.

I love to beat allies on it in very ancient turn-based panzer general2 and panzercorps. Classics of the genre, fuck his mother.))))

[Kusja]

No, my friend, I'm not 100 years old, but under 60. Have you ever been to WW2.ru?

[tolancop]

Opus of another graphomaniac.
"...Messerschmitt Me.262 could accelerate to 875 km / h. For comparison, this figure for the Soviet LaGG-3 was 575 km / h, for the MiG-3 - 640 km / h, and for the Yak-1 - 560 km /h..."
Why not compare with I-16 and I-153? the difference would be even greater.
"... the only weak point of the first turbojet fighter was its engine..."
And the author has not heard about "dipping into a dive"? Shelest described it a long time ago.

[Andrey Lapshin]

+ well, I didn’t find how to put a plus sign in another way.

[Andrey Lapshin]

Test pilot Stefanovsky, who tested the Me-262, wrote that the aircraft had one problem in control. At maximum speed, he spontaneously went into a dive and it was practically very difficult to withdraw him. After such a flight, the technician asked him: "What's wrong with the controls? The plane's control rod cables are extended." "I took him out of a dive. With his feet he rested on the dashboard and pulled."

[Altmann]

At the end of World War II, due to frequent air raids on German industrial centers, aircraft production was divided into more smaller factories. Production also reached the territory of the then protectorate, where the production of some parts of the Me 262 aircraft also took place. At the Avia plant in Letnany, the forward parts of the fuselages were produced, the Jumo 004 engines were repaired in the former laundry in Semile, and some of their parts were also produced here, as well as at ČKD Prague-Vysočany. Testing laboratories have been set up in Podmokla to test jet and rocket engines with built-in test brakes. Work on jet engines was also carried out in Roztoky, Tsvikov, in the tunnels in Povltavi and Posazavi. The mechanical equipment of these tunnels was purchased by the Avia company after being liberated with the permission of Marshal Konev.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What kind of nonsense? A resource of 25 hours is not a lack of an aircraft, but a headache for engineers and technicians involved in operation.
In addition, the resource is not the time to wear or breakdown, as couch strategists believe, but the time during which the manufacturer guarantees acceptable reliability.
In short, the resource does not affect the performance characteristics.
But what really was the problem with the engines was that, due to the spacing of these, the roll shift time increased significantly. In addition, a turbojet engine of this type also had a large gyroscopic moment, which also had a bad effect on pitch control.

[9lvariag]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Bad_gr

And one of them, when the allowed maximum speed was exceeded, went into a dive, from which the plane could not get out.

He just "stepped over" the "line of the famous" in aerodynamics at that time ...

Together, everyone forgot about the surge and fire of the prechambers and the low injectivity of the first flying turbine! I read there were starter 2T PD starters and there was no TAZ. It seems that, like with rotary engines (including because of the fear of filling the turbine with fuel with a fire), the throttles were brought to the maximum after the start and were not touched unless absolutely necessary. And so the article is completely useless and out of place at all during the terrorist attack.

[9lvariag]

Quote: faiver

people must be believed, in theory, if Kuze is about 70 or more, then he could well communicate with the mechanic of the 262nd. Plus, there are flying 262s even now, which is why it is impossible to get acquainted with a modern specialist.

Some nonsense. Yes, I am familiar with a Tu-4 mechanic who is under 90 years old. And then the servants of a jet plane where the boys were not allowed.

[Alex013]

"... and could make a vertical climb, which at that time was unrealistic for the aviation of the USSR and the allies .." everyone could make a vertical climb) And you need to compare with the Gloucester Meteor, it has similar characteristics, the speed near the ground is even higher.

[itarnmag]

The Me-262 had one very unpleasant property - spontaneous dragging into a dive