Western military attaches sent reports to their governments, where they characterize the initial phase of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as unsuccessful

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Western military attaches sent reports to their governments, where they characterize the initial phase of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as unsuccessful

Military attachés of NATO countries today, as if on command, send reports to their governments on what is happening in the Zaporozhye direction. Recall that a few hours ago, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Anna Malyar confirmed the fact of the offensive that had begun (in the Ukrainian version, a counter-offensive). According to her, offensive actions were taken by the forces of various brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to the latest data, one of the first reports on the progress of the Ukrainian counter-offensive were sent to the governments of Italy and Poland.



NATO military attaches informed the authorities of their countries that during the offensive phase, which they designated as “initial”, Ukrainian troops collided with an echeloned defense line in the area of ​​the cities of Orekhov, Pologi and Vasylivka.

As a result of at least three waves of offensive actions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they were able to advance an insignificant distance, which, as noted, "cannot cover the losses incurred." The first phase is described as unsuccessful.

At the same time, the Ukrainian side does not comment on the course of its counteroffensive. However, in the Ukrainian blogosphere, “zrada” traditionally coexists with “overcome” and vice versa. In the comments to images with burning equipment of the armed forces of Ukraine, including NATO-style equipment, claims are made against the General Staff and specifically those generals who (quote) "moved the troops."

One of the main claims is the appearance of columns of armored vehicles on unpaved roads, in exposed areas. These columns were identified by Russian intelligence, after which most of the equipment in their composition was destroyed by both the artillery of the RF Armed Forces and the shock aviation.

It is worth recalling that the crews of army aviation performed well using the Whirlwind ATGM.
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    1. +1
      8 June 2023 18: 30
      Helicopter pilots "corrected" the possible reports of the VSUK and NATO attachés
      1. +14
        8 June 2023 18: 41
        One of the main claims is the appearance of columns of armored vehicles on unpaved roads, in exposed areas.

        They draw interesting conclusions according to their concept, armored vehicles should advance on asphalt or fly through the air, so that there would be no Russian artillery and aircraft would not fly ..
        1. +3
          8 June 2023 19: 29
          The national drink "molehill" (c) suggests the idea: it was necessary to dig underground tunnels. For in the earthworks of the protoukrams there have never been equals.
          1. 0
            9 June 2023 07: 53
            So far, our heroic guys and apparently General Teplinsky manage to hold back the enemy, but it's too early to rejoice. If ours hold out for another four or five days and the enemy cannot break through our defenses anywhere, then we can say that the counteroffensive on this sector of the front has failed. But the enemy will remain strong and will be able to regroup and strike where we do not quite expect.
            Teplinsky and last year perfectly repelled blows in the Kherson region, but the second Teplinsky was not in the Kharkov region ...
            1. +4
              9 June 2023 08: 36
              In the Kharkiv region, there were no personnel at all. APU struck into the void
          2. -1
            9 June 2023 13: 01
            That's for sure! They dug the Black Sea. They also have a reference.))
          3. 0
            9 June 2023 21: 24
            Quote: BoyCat
            in earthworks, the protoukrams have never been equal.

            And you can't argue - Budanov has been digging out with five excavators for a week, but he digs in much faster. wassat
        2. Egg
          0
          9 June 2023 16: 03
          Quote: Borik
          according to their concept, armored vehicles should advance on asphalt or fly through the air, so that there would be no Russian artillery and aircraft would not fly

          well, they are so accustomed to driving barmaley in slippers around BV, and here it is sho ... hi
      2. -18
        8 June 2023 18: 46
        Helicopter pilots by themselves cannot correct anything. Events in the Kharkiv region as an example.
        The days of fairy tales are over.
        Ka-52 helicopter is able to withstand the attack of a whole army

        https://topwar.ru/26002-vertolet-ka-52-sposoben-protivostoyat-nastupleniyu-celoy-armii.html
        1. +10
          8 June 2023 19: 24
          Quote: Legate
          Helicopter pilots by themselves cannot correct anything. Events in the Kharkiv region as an example.
          The days of fairy tales are over.
          Ka-52 helicopter is able to withstand the attack of a whole army

          https://topwar.ru/26002-vertolet-ka-52-sposoben-protivostoyat-nastupleniyu-celoy-armii.html

          Even in those days (2013), everyone in the topic laughed at this fantasy and at the "opinion of some experts" Yes
          It was clear that this was a normal custom article by a sales manager.
          1. -5
            8 June 2023 19: 53
            Even in those days (2013), everyone in the topic laughed at this fantasy and at the "opinion of some experts" yes

            I’m not talking about the VO audience, many who were far from all this went well.

            And it would be better if at the beginning of the NWO they supported the person who said that mobilization was needed or it would be bad. And not nonsense cut off from reality, about the need to fight with quality, not quantity. Hooray!!! To the western borders!!!
            One was drowned in minuses, another something about a hundred pluses. I think it says a lot
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      3. +12
        8 June 2023 19: 17
        They were able to advance an insignificant distance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which, as noted, "cannot cover the losses incurred." The first phase is described as unsuccessful.

        I remember that someone here was indignant at our slow progress ...
        1. -2
          8 June 2023 20: 29
          We are, in fact, kind of like a superpower. Well, should we equal Banderlogs, or what? If they had destroyed the railway, airfields, and port infrastructure, as it should be in such cases, then there would be nothing for the Banderlogs to fight with. And they wouldn’t have gone on the offensive now, but we would have taken Lvov. Or Ternopil. And we even the SBU protect them to this day. They never hit a building even in Kyiv. And they are out and around the Kremlin, and at home in Moscow. What, you don't have to be angry anymore?
      4. +9
        8 June 2023 19: 39
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        and NATO attaches

        I found a link about this message to some Olesya Smirnova request Who is she?
        Maybe some military attache wrote a report to his government right on it bully
        1. +2
          8 June 2023 19: 53
          And generally speaking-
          In the house of these attachés, there are a hundred pieces on the floor,
          I can't breathe from their cologne already! ..

          Gena, hi hi
    2. +16
      8 June 2023 18: 36
      For 17 hours of continuous attacks, they could not even push through the first line of defense. They abandoned the 47th elite NATO brigade on Leopards and Bradley. Outcome 0. There are 5 lines of defense, in fact. Tokmak has been turned into a continuous fortified area and more reserves .... And they are hammering at the first trenches for almost a day. I guess that's all. It's not "unsuccessful", it's called "failed".
      1. +10
        8 June 2023 18: 40
        I guess that's all.

        Not until 200-x is enough, until the offensive guards are finished off they will continue.
      2. +10
        8 June 2023 18: 48
        It's too early to talk about a complete failure. It will be seen in the next week
      3. +4
        8 June 2023 18: 49
        Quote: Arzoo
        I guess that's all. It's not "unsuccessful", it's called "failed".

        And specifically ... There are a lot of corpses and burning NATO vaunted armor, etc.
        The West paid the money and staged a bloody gladiator fight ..
        War to the last Ukrainian? Along the way
      4. +14
        8 June 2023 19: 16
        even the first line of defense could not be pushed through

        Let's wait with enthusiasm. For it’s not a fact that they laid out the last trump card, and it’s not a fact that this is the main blow .. Although - they broke it, of course, it seems from the heart, the men tried ..
      5. +6
        8 June 2023 19: 28
        Here you don’t need hatred moods ahead of time. Yes, the members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ran into the same problems as our army when trying to attack a defense in depth near the same Avdiivka, for example. But unlike us, they constantly need "wins" in the media space. Their entire current policy is based on this, so it is naive to expect them to back down now. As long as they have the resources they will go for killing attacks with the minimal goal of demonstrating at least some kind of victory. The obvious problem is that our losses also exist and will be, the way and many times smaller. Therefore, Strelkov is right: the current situation (deaf defense) is the absence of strong-willed decisions at the beginning of the war. And now it is critically necessary for us to prepare reserves in order to inflict a strategic defeat, otherwise all this will drag on for years.
        With regards to amers - contrary to popular belief and the statement of their own talking heads, they do not need the victory of any of the parties. That is, they need a protracted war. This is an ideal alignment for their military lobby + with the help of sanctions and the "demonization" of Russia, they capture new markets (primarily raw materials).
        1. +3
          8 June 2023 23: 07
          With regards to amers - contrary to popular belief and the statement of their own talking heads, they do not need the victory of any of the parties. That is, they need a protracted war. This is an ideal alignment for their military lobby + with the help of sanctions and the "demonization" of Russia, they capture new markets (primarily raw materials).


          Everything is much more complicated. A protracted war is unprofitable for the EU.
          Sanctions against Russia without the participation of the EU are impossible.
          1. +1
            9 June 2023 07: 44
            Quote from Emperor_Alive
            Everything is much more complicated. A protracted war is unprofitable for the EU.

            Remember what Vika Nuland said about the EU. US on the drum that this EU is profitable or not.
            1. 0
              9 June 2023 21: 16
              The EU is able to disagree with the wishes of the US.

              American press: European countries did not want to see a British representative as the new NATO Secretary General.

              This is after Biden said that NATO could be led by a British representative.

              https://topwar.ru/218971-amerikanskaja-pressa-evropejskie-strany-ne-zahoteli-videt-novym-gensekom-nato-predstavitelja-velikobritanii.html
          2. -1
            9 June 2023 10: 34
            "A protracted war is not beneficial for the EU." - but it is very beneficial for the Americans. Against the backdrop of their financial crisis, the collapse of the European economy and the transfer of its production to itself, this is exactly what they need now.
            "Sanctions against Russia without the participation of the EU are impossible." - And who will ask the EU? What they are told is what they will do. The EU is a US occupation zone. The "European Union" is their idea - to destroy the nation-states and put them under the control of one body - now it is Brussels / the European Parliament. So you can forget about Europe, as at least a little bit of an independent entity.
            1. 0
              9 June 2023 20: 54
              This is not entirely true, or rather, not at all.
              500 million people of the EU are accustomed to a rich and well-fed life and are willing to serve at least the devil for it.
              But who will be able to keep this mass when the standard of living in the EU starts to fall sharply?

              and who will ask the EU?


              What will the US do? Impose sanctions against the EU? wassat

              I do not think that the EU is a completely dependent player.
              Let's not forget that France is a nuclear power.
              Rather, they entered this game with the aim of weakening or collapsing Russia in order to snatch their piece of the pie.

              And if this is not foreseen, why do they need such a war that cannot be won?
              1. 0
                10 June 2023 00: 24
                "500 million people of the EU are accustomed to a rich and well-fed life" - in the West, everyone is rich and lives like in paradise laughing Well, right, you are like a child who believes in a fairy tale. Well, okay, you would have written this 30 years ago, but now No.

                "But who will be able to keep this mass when the standard of living in the EU starts to fall sharply?" Well, he fell a long time ago. You apparently do not know what, for example, migrants have been doing there for the last 15-20 years. And nothing, the "masses" are not very active. The fact is that any mass can always be kept either by promises and fairy tales, or by force. In all countries this is done with the masses, and if something happens, it is not the masses themselves that matter, but who uses and controls them. So the masses will endure.

                "And what will the US do? Will it impose sanctions against the EU?" - what he is doing now - is destroying the economy of Europe. There is a complete set - the destruction at the root of national identity, when you are not a Frenchman or a German, but a European. Immediately, these countries are flooded with migrants who will never assimilate there. Well, the complete destruction of the economy. So these are not even sanctions, but closer to war or genocide. But under the guise of "democracy".
                "I don't think the EU is a completely dependent player." - absolutely not independent. you apparently forgot that Europe has been under US occupation since 45, and there can be no talk of any "freedom" for Europeans. Alas.

                "Let's not forget that France is a nuclear power." - a nuclear power, under the complete control of the United States. They forgot how they recently threw France with AUKUS, for 40-50 billion with submarines, and? "Nuclear Power" wiped out. Mistrals, Strauss-Kahn, and other humiliations of the French, do not at all speak of independence. De Gaulle is the last of the French leaders who tried to go against the United States. Well, I think you know his story well.
                "Rather, they entered this game with the aim of weakening or collapsing Russia in order to snatch their piece of the pie." - by destroying their own economies?? belay However, an interesting plan. Do you really think that the Americans will share the "pie" with them?

                "And if this is not foreseen, why do they need such a war that cannot be won?" - you still do not understand that the war is needed for the States, and Europe is just a bargaining chip? Which the States are already sacrificing for their own interests. Well, here's the first opinion of the owners of Europe that came across - "Europe has lost about $ 1 trillion due to a sharp increase in energy prices in connection with Russia's special operation in Ukraine, Bloomberg has calculated."
                And this is a small part in the destruction of the economy. And do you really think that the Europeans themselves are killing themselves? HM interesting..
      6. +1
        10 June 2023 10: 12
        What is especially beautiful in this picture is that they neighed that we were advancing in columns, and they were destroying these columns. And suddenly they themselves, in the same way, in single file between the minefields under the fire of artillery and aviation. Learned, well done.
    3. +2
      8 June 2023 18: 38
      Western military attaches sent reports to their governments, where they characterize the initial phase of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as unsuccessful
      . And what did they expect?
      1. +1
        8 June 2023 19: 26
        Quote: rocket757
        Western military attaches sent reports to their governments, where they characterize the initial phase of the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as unsuccessful
        . And what did they expect?

        The one they were absolutely assured of Yes
      2. +3
        8 June 2023 19: 34
        And what did they expect?

        Crimea at your feet..
        Vitya hi
    4. +5
      8 June 2023 18: 38
      Where did they get such information from, as a rule, it is a secret diplomatic bag. bully
      1. +7
        8 June 2023 19: 27
        Quote: V.
        Where did they get such information from, as a rule, it is a secret diplomatic bag. bully

        Not otherwise - a partisan detachment with a traitor winked
        1. +2
          8 June 2023 19: 45
          partisan detachment with a traitor

          A common misconception is that the traitor was by no means alone there .. belay
          1. +3
            9 June 2023 06: 59
            A treacherous detachment with a partisan?
      2. 0
        9 June 2023 08: 06
        From the ceiling, perhaps. Or from a finger. PS. Even if there are agents in the environment, who will shoot her. And for what - articles on a rapidly yellowing resource?
    5. -1
      8 June 2023 18: 39
      We have a rocket product 305, why is it not used? After all, you can hit many targets at the same time, but you can’t hit a large number of targets at the same time with a whirlwind, only in turn.
      1. -7
        8 June 2023 18: 55
        Not known. They might be hoarding. Maybe something is missing for production. It was generally made for the FSB. As conceived by the geniuses from the MOD, our modern helicopters were supposed to continue to hold the target until it was hit. And planes drop free-falling bombs in the fight against a strong enemy
    6. +7
      8 June 2023 18: 40
      Is this a joke, can we read diplomatic correspondence? Or do they send doves to the attache?
      1. +2
        8 June 2023 18: 47
        Quote: tralflot1832
        What a joke, we can read diplomatic correspondence

        Huh))) And at first I didn’t even realize))) No, it’s clear that they can’t tell anything else, but ...
      2. +2
        8 June 2023 18: 50
        The Chukchi is not a reader, he is a writer .... We must conduct propaganda ..
      3. +1
        8 June 2023 19: 35
        П
        And no one canceled the perlustrations ...
        1. +2
          9 June 2023 08: 12
          Yes. Carrier pigeons are lured with grain
    7. +2
      8 June 2023 18: 50
      In general, it’s too early to draw conclusions because they still have great potential for new attacks, and these attacks will come in waves one after another, and the main thing for us, as one military leader said in the Great Patriotic War, is to “hold the flags and hold on to ourselves.” It is important that the logistics did not disappoint on our part.
    8. -3
      8 June 2023 18: 50
      Military attachés of NATO countries today, as if on command, send reports to their governments on what is happening in the Zaporozhye direction.
      Information from Konashenkov?
    9. +1
      8 June 2023 19: 16
      But in this case, I don’t agree with the Western attaches - it’s very successful so far that the bloomers offensive is going on.
    10. 0
      8 June 2023 19: 39
      https://lenta.ru/news/2023/06/08/leopardgorit/
      Here comes the vidos Yes
    11. -1
      8 June 2023 19: 43
      and who knows what is happening with the suburbs of Belgorod and the close border with Ukraine? She herself declares that the main blow has not yet been announced. Is a blow towards Belgorod possible? where everyone is waiting.
    12. +3
      8 June 2023 19: 46
      Did the NATO military attaches immediately send their reports via closed communication lines or first to the media?
    13. 0
      8 June 2023 19: 51
      One of the main claims is the appearance of columns of armored vehicles on dirt roads, in the area being shot through. These columns were identified by Russian intelligence, after which most of the equipment in their composition was destroyed by both the artillery of the RF Armed Forces and strike aircraft.

      Ukrainian couch strategists from the public apparently assumed that tanks could dart like mice in the grass of the forest belts in order to be unnoticed. sad And it looks like it turns out that the tank needs space and a road to move.
      1. 0
        10 June 2023 10: 03
        The tank can also move off the road, the state of the soil allows it. Not the brothers simply could not clear the minefields on a wide section of the front, so the armored vehicles advance in columns. And in these columns, as in a shooting range, artillerymen and helicopters work out. And in the second echelon they are hammering MLRS. prepared and layered defense using explosive and non-explosive barriers, organized interaction, security - that's the formula for success. And ours began to fight not in battalion tactical groups, but in regiments and divisions.
    14. +4
      8 June 2023 20: 21
      How does the VO editorial board manage to intercept and decrypt messages transmitted by the military attachés of NATO countries? Yes, not one, but several.
      A diplomat comes out of the embassies and asks a passerby to drop a postcard with the text into the mailbox? And near each embassy there are a dozen VO employees on special assignments?
    15. -2
      9 June 2023 01: 23
      Well, in principle, everything is clear here - ukry deer, they have never successfully fought against us, the times of Mazepa are an example of this. On the other hand, it’s not worth relaxing the rolls, the British rats could have foreseen plans B, so what, and they know how to do tricks. Unlike the ability to fight in a serious way.
    16. +1
      9 June 2023 07: 55
      Did you put copies of the reports on the table to the author of the article?

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