Kakhovskaya HPP: who, what and why?

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Kakhovskaya HPP: who, what and why?

In fact, at the time of publication, a day will have passed since the moment when the water rushed through the former Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station and began flooding the areas below. And right now, not in hot pursuit, but after thinking carefully about what happened, we offer our own version of the vision of the situation.

We do not pretend to be completely objective and reliable, but Comrade Colonel Staver has many years of practical experience in this particular direction: damage to the enemy’s military and not very property by any means. And, starting from his experience, we made this analysis.



What happened?



In principle, everyone has already seen footage of water rushing through the top of the dam. This is a very important fact that it is through the top, by overflow, and not by a stream through open locks. The flooding of the islands, the left bank, partially the right bank began ...

In general, exactly what happens when a dam breaks. All in accordance with the laws of physics. To date, the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is no more, it was actually washed away. What happens next is a separate issue altogether.

Who is to blame?


Here, of course, opinions are very divided. The parties, as expected, blame each other for the man-made disaster, but let's be objective: no matter what evidence is presented, Russia will be to blame in the eyes of the world community.

In the West, they already believe that only our side benefited from the destruction of the dam.

For example, American defense analyst Michael Clark gave SkyNews this opinion. According to him, the destruction of the dam was much more profitable for the Russians than for Ukraine.

“It is hard to believe that Ukraine was behind the attack on the dam, as it had nothing to gain. It is very hard to believe that Ukraine would have done this. Even if they could, it should be remembered that the explosion took place on the Russian side of the dam. And because of the flooding of the Dnieper, it will be more difficult for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to force it during a future counteroffensive.

While that would be bad for Crimea and the Russians living in Crimea, I certainly think it's Russia rather than Ukraine. Ukraine will gain nothing from this, Russia will gain a lot.”

Well, if an American expert said that we would win a lot, then there is no doubt about this. But we still doubt and try to scatter solitaire on the topic "Who benefits."

Russia


Disruption of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in areas below the dam. Very much so-so version. Our troops are on the left, low bank of the Dnieper. And, by the way, when they left Kherson there, it was said more than once that if there was a flood, everything and everyone would be flooded.

Actually, it flooded. What was required to be proved, but here the transformation of the left bank into a swamp and the flooding of all the equipped positions of the Russian army, coupled with the washing out of minefields, is by no means a strong move in planning the conduct of the NWO. Yes, planning is often difficult in our country, but not to the level of organizing man-made disasters.

The fact that the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which was stationed on the islands, left, was not an achievement, especially considering that ours were also evacuated.

They could not come up with any more benefits for Russia, no matter how hard they tried.

Ukraine


Everything is much more interesting here. There was a whole list.

1. Shallowing of the Dnieper upstream. In the area of ​​Ugledar. Which makes it easier to force it during an offensive operation. Or counter-offensive, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is that it simplifies the procedure for crossing the riverbed and the dangers associated with it.

2. Departure of water from storage ponds of Zaporozhye NPP. Just a wonderful maneuver to put pressure on Russia from all sides. No one in Europe needs another atomic kettle in discord, they have not forgotten Chernobyl yet. Yes, the station is not in operating mode, not much water is needed for cooling, but if it is not available, it is necessary to stop the units, unload the reactors and unload the fuel assemblies. In general, this is an excellent reason to stir up the IAEA and once again try to send our troops out of the territory of the nuclear power plant under pressure from the world community.

3. Crimea. The fact that Aksenov said that everything is in order is denied in social networks. Crimea has ALREADY swallowed dirty water into the water intake systems, which went through pipes to the apartments of several settlements. It will get worse, further water will be scarce. The prospect is so-so, but in principle it is better to forget about rest in the Crimea for many reasons. But the residents will have to work in terms of providing them with water.

4. The transformation of the left bank, occupied by Russian troops, into a swamp. Yes. This was warned even when there was a regrouping from Kherson. The coast was flooded, the mines were washed away, trenches and dugouts disappeared under water. Now we will have to withdraw troops inland, further from the coast, and how the Ukrainians use it is a question. But over time we will see how they use it somehow.

In general, the alignment is not in favor of the Ukrainians, but these are arguments in favor of the poor. Now the whole world will rush to blame Russia for a man-made disaster, and it will be difficult to prove that we have nothing to do with it. But for us, in the sense of authors and readers, this is not important, we are not in the Foreign Ministry.

We need to understand what really happened. It is clear that we are unlikely to find out all possible information on this complicated case even in 50 years, and many will not live to see this moment. But something we already now can assume.

What did they destroy?


Everything is very interesting here. In general, there were not so many versions as we had to study for a long time. And the main majority passed through the department of REN-TV. The only thing missing was aliens with combat lasers, everything else was there. But we will discard all non-scientific and science fiction, and go through more or less sane versions, although, frankly, they do not stand up to criticism.

1. MLRS. One Internet figure almost saw with his own eyes that the Hymars were flying, another part of the bloggers began to disperse the topic of the Alder.

Yes, we hope that all readers also felt funny. Now, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine had at their disposal German Taurus missiles, with a concrete-piercing warhead, yes, there would be a serious conversation. But how the picking of high-strength concrete of the dam could end with high-explosive fragmentation warheads of "Haymars" or "Alder", which is actually "Smerch", it is not even serious to discuss somehow.

We just invite you to remember history Antonovsky bridge in Kherson. How many Hymars did the Armed Forces spend on him? Only on July 19 last year, two volleys were fired. And what? And nothing. The bridge, which had been tinkered with since February 25, stood still. And both sides hammered at it quite decently for everyone, from art to aviation ammunition. And the bridge was shattered during our retreat, blowing up several spans.

That's where all the Hymars are. Note - this is just a bridge, not a dam, which is designed to contain hundreds of thousands of tons of water, which presses from the heart.

Now someone can say that, they say, if you hit the constipation ... Well, yes. KVO for most Hymars ammunition is 7 meters. Yes, getting into the building is easy. In the shutter - good luck, moreover, without mockery (almost).

In general, we consider the question of the advisability of using MLRS without specialized ammunition to be stupid.

2. Artillery. There are options here, but they are also crooked. Of course, 152-155 mm concrete-piercing shells are more interesting than a rocket. A concrete-piercing projectile is thick-walled, therefore it can enter concrete due to the strength of the hull and only then explode.

The aforementioned "Taurus" has a strong, special case, and the cumulative charge pierces the path of the warhead.

But how many shells do you need to shoot at least one valve? Even if in the dark (and it was at night), even with direct fire, this is not one volley. And what, not a single person heard this cannonade?

And where are any marks from this concert on the buildings? The video is zero. There was no artillery there.

3. DRG. There are two options, one non-sci-fi. Let's start with him. Many Ukrainian media began to talk about the fact that the dam was mined last year and even posted a video of some toothless organism that gave an interview to some blogger, and after the conversation was just about to go and mine the hydroelectric power station. In the engine room.

Well what can I say, the 95 quarter in all its glory.


Here we have a drawing. This is not even a hydroelectric scheme, just to have a concept. Theoretically, it is possible to mine the machine room. And, we admit that this could even be, but ... this is stupidity.

As an expert in this matter, Colonel Staver, said, when designing each dam, such places are specially created where explosives can be placed and the hydroelectric power station can be disabled. Places are calculated and planned, because the dam is a very strong business. In general, water is much more terrible than any explosive, except nuclear. Who does not believe - read the memoirs of the participants in the accident at the Sayano-Shushenskaya HPP. Just preferably not at night.

You can blow up a hydroelectric dam. And cause flooding too. It already happened on the Dnieper, when the Dneproges was blown up in 1941.


It was blown up with 20 kg of dynamite. August 000, 18. And already in April 1941, restored by the Germans with the help of Soviet prisoners of war, the Dneproges began to work again.

By the way, in the fall of 1943, the Germans blew up the Dneproges much more significantly. So, it was restored until 1947. And this despite the fact that Soviet intelligence officers were able to neutralize one of the charges by cutting the electrical cables. And it was 3 kg of TNT and 500 bombs of 100 kg each. After the war, more than 500 kg of explosives and bombs were recovered from the ruins of the Dneproges.

This is like an indicator of how much explosive is needed in order to destroy the dam. Yes, the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station is much smaller than the older brother of the Dneproges, but nonetheless. And modern explosives are much more effective than the dynamite and tol used in that war.

Laying in the engine room for such an operation as ours will simply require a huge amount of explosives. Plus keeping everything in a curb state "just in case" is crazy. To do this, the hydroelectric power station would have to guard everything from the same Ukrainian DRGs, who definitely would not fail to take advantage of such a gift as explosives ready for use.

But the explosion of the engine room (so they say on the other side) will not lead to such consequences. It can be seen in the pictures that the engine room was not damaged by the “explosion”, the destruction began with the valves, and then the water swept away everything in its path.


Latches are easier. This is according to Staver's manuals - 300 kg of explosives per one. But even in this situation, to destroy the valves in this way - it looks strange. A ton of explosives is serious. This is a truck, and with it another one, in which a team of sappers, who will carry all this, pack it, connect detonators to a network, and so on.

For the Ukrainian DRG - a feat at the level of "God". That is, it is practically impossible.

For our side, it is easier to mine and blow up the valves.

But why, if the Russian side has full access to the control room, from which you can simply lift the valves and make a flood downstream?

In general, here, in fact, all the accusers of our side were pierced. Why knock out part of the wall if there is a door you can enter through? Moreover, the water level in the system was constantly rising, and if we increased our water discharge, no one would say anything, normal practice. And the fact that they leaked a little more ... happens.

In general, mining and undermining do not seem to us real reasons either.

So what really happened?


Our version is as follows: there was a self-destruction of structures damaged by repeated shelling over the entire past period.

This is indirectly confirmed by the frank panic that began on both banks after the water level began to rise. Nobody expected, neither ours, nor the Ukrainians. Both were saved in the same way.

It was stated that recently the water level in the Kakhovka reservoir has been rising. This could only be done by manipulating other HPPs in the Dnieper cascade, and none of them were under Russian control. Here it is worth remembering the recent flooding of Kyiv, which happened suddenly and for no reason at all. Something was being prepared, that's a fact.

But in our case, everything really could do without sabotage. The Ukrainians began to release water from the upstream dams and the Kakhovka reservoir began to fill up. Masses of water press on the walls of the dam, with an increase in volumes, the pressure also increases.

The New York Times journalist Christian Tribert published Maxar satellite images of the Kakhovka HPP on May 28 and June 5


The footage shows that the dam was leaking water even then. Triebert suggests that the dam was damaged before its destruction today confirms our thoughts.

Why the water was not discharged further is a matter for the competence of those who yesterday were responsible for the operation of the entire Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, if anyone worked there at all.

It was possible to dump water from the reservoir into the sea by opening the floodgates. Moreover, the possibilities for discharging water into the sea were, in fact, not limited by anything, the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station did not generate electricity, the main task of the dam was to fill the North Crimean Canal with water. Why nothing was done is again an unanswered question.

Now, according to satellite images of the mouth of the North Crimean Canal, problems with water are already beginning in Crimea. Aksyonov can assure as much as he likes, but this is physics, she is not familiar with the head of the Crimea. Lowering the level will cause what is already visible in the pictures - the absence of water in the channel.




The Ukrainian side is no better. As a result of the destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, the fields in southern Ukraine may turn into deserts next year, the Ministry of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine predicts. 94% of irrigation systems in Kherson, 74% - in Zaporozhye and 30% - in Dnepropetrovsk regions may remain without water.

In principle, we can say that both affected parties are equally guilty of what happened. At least, both Russia and Ukraine have contributed to the creation of the prerequisites. It is clear that the object was damaged as a result of hostilities by one or both (most likely) parties, especially the Ukrainian side succeeded in this, constantly shelling the hydroelectric power station throughout the year, but: someone had to work with such a strategic object, monitor its condition, make repairs.

But in general, the cause of the tragic catastrophe, the results of which will affect more than one region, can really be called a coincidence, when one side systematically damaged the object, and the second did nothing to eliminate the consequences.


If Mr. Saldo did more and wrote less soothing reports about how wonderful everything is in the Kherson region, with which he has already gone down in history, perhaps the result would not have been so tragic.

There is a man-made disaster and it does not matter whose malicious intent or criminal negligence caused them. As always, ordinary civilians on both sides of the Dnieper suffered.

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  1. +12
    7 June 2023 04: 33
    It is obvious that the dam was washed away by the high water level in the Kakhovka reservoir. Why didn't they turn off the water? It is possible that the valves and locks were damaged by Ukrainian shelling. And the water could not be dumped physically. Why has the water level risen? Because the Ukrainians dumped water from reservoirs upstream of the Dnieper. Was the water released by itself or did someone do it on purpose? The video shows that the water overflows over the upper edge of the dam, and the water level after the dam is slightly lower than the water level before the dam, the locks are open. The Ukrainians dumped so much water into the Kakhovka reservoir that the dam failed and collapsed. Questions remain. Why does Ukraine need it? What is the plan of Ukrovermacht? When will they start?
    And yes. Another Red Line has been successfully passed. am
    1. +12
      7 June 2023 07: 07
      Quote: Bearded
      The dam failed and collapsed.

      The dam was decommunized during the NWO. And in the future we will demolish Slavyansk with artillery like Artemovsk, Maryinka, Mariupol and Popasnaya. Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye, by the way, we will not be able to take right away either. There, too, everything will be rubble.
      1. +4
        7 June 2023 08: 55
        How can we not understand ... there are less and less meanings
        1. -1
          7 June 2023 09: 42
          Who is to blame for the failure of the Kakhovskaya HPP? No one, she herself. It happened. Element. Harmony of two elements: water and war. Not the human element.
          1. +9
            7 June 2023 12: 11
            According to the classic: "Did she drown?"
        2. +5
          7 June 2023 11: 56
          If the authors tell the truth that the irrigation system in the south of 404 will have nothing to irrigate, then the grain deal will be covered with a copper basin. This means they will buy more grain from the Russian Federation, because. 404 may not get a harvest this year. Here is the first meaning. And he plays in Russia. The second is the lack of sufficient fresh water in the Crimea. This is in favor of 404, but this has already happened and somehow got out. I don’t even write about military aspects. And we, ordinary citizens, will suffer, as usual. "Planning" the consequences at the ATC level. But how much has been written about it! However, not for the first and not the last time.
    2. +5
      7 June 2023 13: 10
      "But how many shells do you need to shoot at least one valve? ..."
      ************************************************** ****************************************
      Yes, the whole point is precisely that there is no need to "shoot" any "valve" ...

      For the REMAINING (remaining ...) valve (KI ...), still intact. LIFTED to ensure the passage (discharge) of water, it is necessary to "just LOWER" (forcibly). Why do you just need to destroy the mechanism of its lifting and the structures that fix the valve in the LIFTED state ...

      I remind you that EARLIER, several valves (or rather, mechanisms for controlling their position) at the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station were already damaged by the shelling of the Kiev Bandera Nazis ... And the attempts of the personnel to RAISE them, in order to ensure the effectiveness of the RESET and prevent the threat of critical pressure (pressure) of water from growing on dam, were constantly torn down by shelling of snipers from Kiev bandero-natsiks ...

      For this, THEIR task was precisely to "LOWER" the remaining SUITABLE, SERVICEABLE valves, not by "shooting" them, but by damaging their control mechanisms and structures holding them in a raised state ...

      Having previously carried out an "additional" discharge of water from the Dnieper HPP to overflow the reservoir of the Kakhovskaya HPP ...

      And when the suitable valves, after damage to their control mechanisms, “fell” and finally stopped the discharge of water, the critical level was reached, FIRST, the aforementioned “overflow”, and not the “breakthrough” of the dam ...
    3. +2
      7 June 2023 16: 18
      Everything is very simple! It's a long game, about a month. First, all the reservoirs of the Dnieper release water. At the same time, Kakhovskaya collapsed and there simply will not be a reservoir there. Then the dense upper reaches close the dampers and start filling. Below Zaporozhye, right up to the sea, the Dnieper turns into a stream. Maybe even in some places the chicken will wade. I don't want to force! And then the fighting will begin at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, the main value of these places. 300 km of the front will have to be seriously strengthened. Question: why our people did not dump water should be decided by the investigation together with the FSB.
      1. +1
        8 June 2023 12: 45
        "The question is: why didn't our people dump water should be decided by the investigation together with the FSB."
        ******************************************************* ***************************************** I already answered...

        "They didn't reset", because the control mechanisms (lifting - lowering) PART of the "valves" were ALREADY DAMAGED earlier. Moreover, it was precisely as a result of the shelling of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station by the Kyiv Bandero-Natsiks. It was impossible to "raise" them to increase the reset without repairing the mechanisms. What was prevented by the shelling of Kyiv Bandero-Natsiks, repair crews of personnel by snipers ...

        Moreover, even with ALL SERVICEABLE "valves" of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, it will not be able to "miss" the entire potentially (technically ...) possible discharge of the Dneproges... The Dnieper HPP should not discharge more water than the Kakhovskaya HPP can "miss" ...
        1. +1
          8 June 2023 18: 22
          Do you think designers are idiots? The lower dam must provide a throughput capacity no less than the upper dam, otherwise destruction is just a matter of time under unfavorable circumstances.
          With regards to technical capabilities, it’s also nonsense, in addition to the main valves, there is also an emergency discharge, there are also shipping locks and turbines. And in an emergency, any valve can be destroyed in a controlled manner, and exceeding the critical water level is quite relevant to such cases. But none of this was done!
          The destruction of the dam under the pressure of water does not happen instantly. At first, there will be leaks, crackling and grinding for any. A breakthrough occurs at one point and then spreads from it to the sides. The photo shows at least two places of the breakthrough. And the water level will not rise so easily and quickly with all the desire. Again, it turns out that no one was worried about raising the water level to critical and the state of the dam at the same time!
          1. 0
            8 June 2023 19: 31
            That's the right comment, thanks. I’ll add from myself - there is a video of a dam explosion on the Internet, any not completely sick person can distinguish an explosion from self-destruction.
  2. +25
    7 June 2023 05: 02
    It is hard to believe that Ukraine was behind the attack on the dam, as it had nothing to gain. It is very hard to believe that Ukraine would have done this.

    So don't believe.
    Read the press, listen to the people, and you will knowwhat Ukraine was doing for a whole year, until it achieved its goal.

    Selection of communications in the media and officials..

    July 8, 2022 Ukrainian troops launched a missile attack on the hydroelectric power station. Air defense managed to repel the attack, but there were victims, said Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the Kherson VGA.

    July 18, 2022 As a result of the strike on the hydroelectric power station, the control room of the shipping lock was damaged. Rocket fragments broke the main gas pipeline, in connection with which half of the right bank of the Kherson region was left without gas. If the shelling continues, navigation along the Dnieper will be blocked, said Viktor Vasiliev, spokesman for the CAA of the Kakhovka district of the Kherson region.

    On July 23, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired seven shells at the area of ​​the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, which was damaged, the CAA of the Kakhovka district reported.

    On July 24, 2022, the HPP was fired from HIMARS, the infrastructure was damaged, said the head of the district, Vladimir Leontiev.

    July 30, 2022 On the night of July 29-30, the HPP was again attacked from HIMARS. The air defense system repelled all shells, Leontiev said.

    August 12, 2022 New shelling occurred when a bus with civilians was approaching the station. Three of the six turbines failed, the Rossiya-1 report said. HPPs were transferred to work in emergency mode and only half of the design capacity. “We work in a very dangerous mode. The fighting threatens not only the lower reaches of the Dnieper, but also the upper reaches, since the water intakes of the Energodarskaya NPP are directly fed from the Kakhovka reservoir,” Arseniy Zelensky, deputy director of the Kakhovskaya HPP, told the TV channel.

    On September 8, 2022, the regional authorities announced that the Kakhovskaya HPP and access roads to it were under attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    On September 10, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on Novaya Kakhovka and the hydroelectric power station from HIMARS. There were no hits, the CAA of the city reported on the Telegram channel.

    October 18, 2022 “The enemy purposefully strikes at infrastructure facilities and residential buildings in Kherson. Hits from HIMARS rockets damaged the Antonovsky bridge and the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station,” Sergei Surovikin told reporters on October 18.

    On October 21, 2022, Russia circulated a letter in the UN Security Council in which it called for preventing Ukraine's provocation at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station. “The Armed Forces of Ukraine have been shelling the city of Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region for five months. Up to 120 missiles arrive per day,” the statement said.

    On October 24, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on the civilian infrastructure of Nova Kakhovka with 19 HIMARS and Alder missiles. Part of the missiles were shot down, three hit the hydroelectric power station, the emergency services of the Kherson region told reporters.

    November 6, 2022 Ukrainian troops fired six HIMARS missiles at the HPP. Five rockets were shot down, one hit the lock of the dam, which was damaged, said a representative of the emergency services of the Kherson region.

    On December 29, 2022, Major General Andriy Kovalchuk, who initially commanded the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region, also confessed to shelling the HPP. “Ukrainians made a test strike with HIMARS on one of the locks of the Novokakhovskaya dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the waters of the Dnieper could rise enough to block Russian crossings, but not flood the nearby areas of the village. The test was successful, ”wrote the Washington Post, citing him.

    March 14, 2023 The Kakhovka HPP is not only regularly shelled, but also attacked by snipers. DRGs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are making attempts to penetrate the territory, Leontiev said. “HPPs are constantly under attack,” he added.

    As you can see, the intentions of Ukraine were quite obvious, and yesterday the Armed Forces of Ukraine finally got their way.
    1. -1
      7 June 2023 11: 26
      It is strange that you forgot this incident, where it was not picking the roadbed with shells, but undermining with the collapse of the spans:

      https://topwar.ru/204977-podryv-avtomobilnogo-mosta-na-kahovskoj-gjes-popal-na-video.html

      After that, the dam began to look like this:

      1. -2
        7 June 2023 21: 50
        By your link:
        Quote: credo
        credo 12 November 2022 12: 08 New
        +11

        Judging by the empty bridge, the explosion was carried out by ours.
        And the long overdue question - "And when will we destroy the bridges in the west of Ukraine?" - remains unanswered.
        It would be time to start, including on the bridges on the Dnieper, because they are the uninterrupted supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the eastern front.
    2. +2
      7 June 2023 12: 31
      This is what you need to think about! Make holes with rockets from Hymers!
      Oak, this general, Andrey Kovalchuk!
      How did the metal, valves, places of welding of structures, anchor supports "led" at the same time. Nobody knows!
      "They successfully tested"
      Worse than small children!!!! Of course, after such blows, everything will collapse! am
      There is no need to go to the "fortune teller"!
      Stupid, oh stupid!
  3. +4
    7 June 2023 05: 48
    According to the Kakhovskaya HPP, there was information for a long time that due to underfunding, the valves there literally warped, there were problems with the regulation of water discharge. So there is a confluence of two factors - shelling by the Armed Forces and banal doing nothing to repair and troubleshoot ha platinum.
    1. +22
      7 June 2023 06: 38
      That is, in your opinion, we had to send civilian or military repairmen to repair the locks, and the light elves from the right bank of the Dnieper would just look at it, but they would put a bunch of people there
      1. 0
        7 June 2023 07: 24
        Well, this result is certainly better! Also a huge hello to the environment
      2. +13
        7 June 2023 08: 51
        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
        That is, in your opinion, we had to send civilian or military repairmen to repair the locks, and the light elves from the right bank of the Dnieper would just look at it, but they would put a bunch of people there

        This is exactly what the elves did with the help of the Hymers with civilian repair crews who were trying to repair the bridge in Kherson.
    2. +4
      7 June 2023 09: 04
      Thrifty , I can not and do not want to refute this or that point of view . I simply don't have the information.
      However, on the day the dam collapsed, a flash was shown. This flash from CCTV cameras was shown yesterday in an article on VO. Something exploded there.
      Therefore, the version of self-destruction is unlikely.
      1. +3
        7 June 2023 12: 01
        If we are talking about this outbreak (which was reposted by everyone and sundry in the last XNUMX hours), then you can see the date of the original source for yourself:

        https://iz.ru/1424447/2022-11-12/poiavilos-video-podryva-avtomobilnogo-mosta-na-kakhovskoi-ges
      2. +2
        7 June 2023 12: 57
        Yes, there, after all the shelling, everything was kept on parole.
        A very small external impact was enough and everything collapsed!
        The water did the rest.
  4. -8
    7 June 2023 06: 12
    . one side systematically inflicted damage to the object, and the other did nothing to eliminate the consequences.

    Malicious intent on one side and carelessness, irresponsibility on the other.
  5. +6
    7 June 2023 06: 21
    Giving the FAB-500 zero buoyancy and dragging it to the valve is not at all Newton's binomial for trained specialists (there is a video of the explosion of a hydroelectric power station on YouTube, I don’t presume to evaluate its reliability). Even the Angles in WWII used drifting charges to undermine German dams.
    It is definitely beneficial for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. As correctly noted in the article, the accessibility of the left bank above the dam increases sharply (albeit with time), and there is about 120 kilometers. What will we protect and are there defensive structures there? And the most important "icing on the cake" - with a "live" dam and our control over the valves, no large-scale actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the lower reaches were possible under the threat of artificial flooding, at any moment that we consider necessary. Now this threat has disappeared and the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are untied.
    PS: Such a large-scale "landscape design" indicates the extremely serious intentions of the enemy hi
    1. +3
      7 June 2023 08: 56
      Quote: Adrey
      Giving the FAB-500 zero buoyancy and dragging it to the valve is not at all Newton's binomial for trained specialists (there is a video of the explosion of a hydroelectric power station on YouTube, I don’t presume to evaluate its reliability). Even the Angles in WWII used drifting charges to undermine German dams.

      as a person who has been working for 10 years in one such special design bureau just dealing with the topic of hydroelectric power stations, I will say that it will not take off.
  6. +6
    7 June 2023 06: 28
    And another excuse for Ze. before the west: we have almost won, but here is the catastrophe at the hydroelectric power station - give us more money and weapons.
  7. -16
    7 June 2023 07: 22
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov, A. Staver
    So what really happened?

    The answer is in plain sight:

    On the third day of the offensive, when it choked with huge losses for the Nazis' coming out (~ 1:200) and fleeing from the battlefield, they blew up the dam in order to prevent our troops on their shoulders from entering Kherson and beyond ... All other "assumptions" are aimed at justifying the actions of the Reich's coming out.
    1. +4
      7 June 2023 11: 46
      Quote: Boris55
      with huge losses for the Nazis' coming out (~ 1:200)
      Why not 1:2000000000? wassat
      Regarding the calculation of losses and their voice acting, one famous Lieutenant General E. Prigozhin spoke yesterday exactly:
      “I think that Baron Munchausen is resting. And judging by what is written here, we will soon get to the aliens - with such losses. To destroy one and a half thousand people, it must be such a massacre, per day, over 150 kilometers, that mother do not grieve. Therefore, I think that this is just from the realm of wild, sloppy fantasy. In general, you need to add up all the numbers that Konashenkov gives. I think that we have just destroyed the entire planet Earth five times»

      https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3614
  8. +3
    7 June 2023 07: 23
    Still, there is a lack of information. It has not been announced whether there were explosions preceding the destruction of the dam. And this information will be the key to unraveling what happened.
    If we take the version of a man-made disaster, namely the destruction of the structure under the pressure of water, then it would be correct to assume that no one monitored the level of the upper pool, or there were no professionals, and non-specialists were not able to assess the situation as threatening.
    1. -3
      7 June 2023 07: 35
      Lord, is it really difficult to go to YouTube and type in the request: "Explosion at the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station", "arrival along the Kakhovskaya dam"?
      1. 0
        7 June 2023 07: 41
        And what? There are only consequences of destruction.
        1. -1
          7 June 2023 07: 52
          Nothing special. Just this:
          https://youtu.be/I02f9LnJW7o
          Fake? recourse
          1. +5
            7 June 2023 08: 30
            yes fake, this is an old video of the shelling ......
  9. +16
    7 June 2023 08: 16
    Crimea has ALREADY swallowed dirty water into the water intake systems, which went through pipes to the apartments of several settlements
    The authors, the water of the Crimean canal was used exclusively for land reclamation, no one has ever supplied it to apartments. So this is an overblown Sumerian fake.
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  11. +1
    7 June 2023 08: 28
    True, like feces in the hole, it floats in the middle ... Unfortunately, we could not make repairs: the repair teams would have come under fire. The Ukrainians poured water from above in order to reduce the pressure on Kanevskaya and DneproGES, which are also in disrepair (we read the reports of American engineers who did the inspection), did not calculate and got what we have now. Now the only thing left is for both sides to blame each other and cry over nothing. One good thing is that this is not the Kanevskaya dam, if so, Chernobyl would seem like a minor nuisance against its background.
  12. man
    +12
    7 June 2023 08: 49
    but in principle it is better to forget about rest in the Crimea for many reasons.
    But this is unlikely. Ours are known for their fearlessness for extreme tourism, especially if prices fall smile
  13. +4
    7 June 2023 09: 00
    What's to complain about?
    When, according to some "experts", half a million Ukrainians were killed, does he worry about repairing some kind of platinum?

    It is worth looking at the widely publicized photos of Artemovsk, lunar landscapes, settlements on the "demilitarization" line, and the photos of Grozny 0x after the Chechen wars are typical.

    And then it will be possible for the capitalists to optimize so many funds for restoration!
    They fight for the Azov-steel and promise, intrigue and make great plans ....
  14. +11
    7 June 2023 09: 00
    in fact, not everything is so simple. A breakthrough is an introduced element of chaos. If you throw out the political and humanitarian components and leave the purely military.
    1. Crossing the Dnieper above the dam in the foreseeable month is impossible. The bearing capacity of a silted bottom, even a dried one, is, to put it mildly, unknown to any engineer. And sending heavy equipment into the unknown is a very expensive pleasure.
    1.1 Added a few hundred meters of silted sand from both banks. No cover, no trenches. Just a bare surface. The offensive is pure suicide, given that the engineering equipment of the former coast has remained the same. A striking example of similar conditions is the landing in Normandy. There is a very similar topography and hydrological conditions
    2. Below the dam. Yes, engineering equipment was washed away on both banks. But - until the water subsides - no active actions are possible. The relief of the bottom clogged with garbage is completely unknown, the movement of any vessels larger than a motorboat is impossible, which means that heavy equipment will also not be able to cross
  15. +2
    7 June 2023 09: 01
    Latches are easier. This is according to Staver's manuals - 300 kg of explosives per one.

    It is very optimistic, although the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station is quite old, but still very optimistic, there is no need for a training manual, here the installation supervision engineer is needed, who built this station, in order to say exactly where exactly in this station, in this valve you need to stick 300 kEge.
  16. +13
    7 June 2023 09: 19
    "It is a very important fact that it is through the top, by overflow, and not by flow through open locks."
    not through locks, but through gates. sluices are not the same. gates are located in the body of the dam, they regulate the flow of water, depending on something. water always flows through the gates. closures never close tightly. the staver, as a specialist, needs to know about this. the picture no longer shows the dam, or most of it, and the water flows freely into the hole
    "1. Shallowing of the Dnieper upstream. In the area of ​​Ugledar. Which makes it easier to force it during an offensive operation "
    I wonder how many meters the level should fall in order to greatly facilitate forcing? 5 m depth, or 2,5 - you can’t walk on foot - you need a full-fledged operation
    "2. Departure of water from storage ponds of Zaporozhye NPP. Just a wonderful maneuver to put pressure on Russia from all sides.”
    It's not a problem at all. if water is driven from the Don to the Crimea for hundreds of kilometers, then a hundred meters from the Dnieper to fill the not-so-immense pond-vashcheniach
    "3. Crimea. The fact that Aksenov said that everything is in order is denied in social networks. Crimea has ALREADY been swallowed into the water intake systems of dirty water, which went through pipes to apartments”
    The place of water intake in the canal is upstream. Dirt, if it got into it, then in a meager amount. Another thing is that now water will not get into it either. Crimea is again on dry rations
    “In general, here, in fact, all those who accuse our side have failed. Why knock out part of the wall if there is a door you can enter through? "
    and that no one guessed
    “Our version is as follows: there was a self-destruction of structures damaged by repeated shelling over the entire past period”
    "Yes, there were demons, but they self-destructed." you yourself said that there are no signs of shelling, that you need to pound with concrete-piercing shells for six months to damage the dam - and, suddenly, such a ridiculous conclusion that negates all your attempts to explain and analyze something there. "more carefully, it is necessary, more thoroughly" . don't laugh in the morning
    “The masses of water press on the walls of the dam, and as the volume increases, so does the pressure.”
    All dams have an automatic overflow device that is activated when a critical level is reached. just so that the dam does not collapse, and there is no overflow. it cannot be disabled or broken. roughly speaking, this is a hole in the dam, located at a certain level. in addition, the hydroelectric power station did not work, that is, the dam simply kept the level. who prevented the shutters from opening a little more? after all, the increase in the level of the reservoir is not a leap of a second, it is a process stretched out over several days. there must be a person who monitored the water level and pressed the button
    “The footage shows that the dam was leaking water even then. Triebert suggests that the dam was damaged before its destruction today confirms our thoughts.
    This is the discharge of excess water, the automatic reset has not yet worked. level regulated
    “It was possible to dump water from the reservoir into the sea by opening the floodgates. Moreover, the possibilities for discharging water into the sea were, in fact, not limited by anything, the Kakhovskaya HPP did not generate electricity.
    I say again - the locks are not to regulate the level, but when there is nowhere to go, you can open them, maybe something will help
    "You can really call it a coincidence"
    this is unlikely. in this world, nothing is done by itself, if the dam breaks, then someone needs it. the margin of safety of the dam is such that due to a combination of circumstances in two places at once, it will not collapse. with the same success it is possible to declare a confluence and an explosion of gas pipelines. also tried, at first, to declare spontaneous damage.
    we will never hear an intelligible explanation, and even more so, the truth from the authorities, only fortune-telling of "specialists" like this. and, Roman, I already suggested this to you, do not write together with the staver, do not break karma. his professionalism is not in doubt only for you, it seems
  17. +1
    7 June 2023 10: 16
    Quote: Forcecom
    Latches are easier. This is according to Staver's manuals - 300 kg of explosives per one.

    It is very optimistic, although the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station is quite old, but still very optimistic, there is no need for a training manual, here the installation supervision engineer is needed, who built this station, in order to say exactly where exactly in this station, in this valve you need to stick 300 kEge.

    This can be calculated on the PC, if the blueprints are available.
  18. +1
    7 June 2023 10: 21
    About "raise the valves." Are you sure that after the shelling all the mechanics and control system were working? I personally don't.
  19. +1
    7 June 2023 10: 24
    The destruction of the dam, as a stage of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is a well-founded version. Especially if we compare this terrorist attack with the destruction of MH-17, before the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. Another scale, another level of disaster, but today the Armed Forces of Ukraine need to intimidate the whole world and they cope with it. Six reactors and a huge storage facility for spent nuclear fuel is a very suitable picture for allocating any type of weapons to Ukraine. If Zelensky allows the delivery of shells with depleted uranium, then why doesn't he destroy the nuclear power plant?
    1. 0
      7 June 2023 14: 47
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      The destruction of the dam, as a stage of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, is a well-founded version. Especially if we compare this terrorist attack with the destruction of MH-17, before the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2014. Another scale, another level of disaster, but today the Armed Forces of Ukraine need to intimidate the whole world and they cope with it. Six reactors and a huge storage facility for spent nuclear fuel is a very suitable picture for allocating any type of weapons to Ukraine. If Zelensky allows the delivery of shells with depleted uranium, then why doesn't he destroy the nuclear power plant?

      And also an attempt to divert attention from the failures of two counteroffensive attempts and again blame Russia.
      Already a very coordinated howl rose in the west.
      1. 0
        8 June 2023 00: 52
        Everything unfolds as with the MH-17. Only a consistent chain of disasters, before the onset of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, raises questions. After all, it is easy, after comparing two events, to wonder if they are connected. Somehow, disasters do happen. Not earlier, not later, but right when you need to raise morale.
  20. +15
    7 June 2023 10: 49
    Draping from near Nikolaev, leaving Kherson for looting and destruction, throwing the Airborne Forces at Kiev and into the first echelon instead of full-fledged ms, tank units and formations, essentially draping from the center of Kharkov and Sumy, other "goodwill gestures", one and a half years of marking time with total "grinding" of their own and others, villages and cities, what, our "strategists", waited and thought that it would be somehow different? If this is so, then with the intelligence complex, planning and analysis, everything is very sad for us, to say the least, and what is even sadder is the lack of understanding of the realities and algorithm of professional, creative activity. Indecisiveness, helplessness, coming from the discrepancy between intellectual, professional and creative development and experience for solving the tasks at hand, even for situational response, not to mention strategic planning, is the problem of the entire "vertical".
    Yes, and fleeing to the left bank, they shouted from every iron that "Armageddon", which arranged only Armageddon for those who believed us, the inhabitants of Kherson and abandoned villages, supposedly made such a decision, because. the right bank is lower, and now everyone is yelling that our bank is lower, the media would have already decided no matter what, what and how to lie. Look, the Commander-in-Chief and the Mother See don’t give a damn about what and how, they don’t even remember, it’s no longer interesting, they’re tired, “you need to make money”, no matter how it all resolves, whoever, whatever it be, will end and everyone will joyfully rush to fraternize . And, it won’t end, it can end, only with the complete cessation of the existence of this state formation, created by misunderstanding, forever and ever, as well as others that have become hostile in the vastness of the Republic of Ingushetia. But this requires other "verticals" and more significant patriotic political leaders and figures of real elites, creative people and professionals, and not these degrading self-named elites who turned out to be by chance, nepotism, lies and crime, who, in order to make a profit from these territories and people who created an inherited estate society without social lifts, separated by the abyss of the sphere of habitation, laws, moral and ethical views.
    1. -1
      7 June 2023 11: 52
      Did you doubt that they would blow up nuclear power plants after MH-17? In vain. Surely the Kremlin understood that this would happen, which is why events are developing in such a strange way. Imagine the consequences of the terrorist attacks on the ZAS and the Novokakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, if they were located deep in the rear of our troops. There is a nuclear reactor in Kharkov, the Dnepropetrovsk cascade and ZAS is a very big "big bar-boom". Apparently, the heroes do not protect Ukraine from Russian invaders, but earn citizenship in the West. They do not care what will happen next with Ukraine.
    2. +2
      7 June 2023 18: 26
      made the decision, because right bank below and now everyone is yelling that our shore is lower,
      Link, please. There was no such nonsense in the media, this is your fabrication. The Coriolis force washes away the right bank of the rivers flowing from north to south in the northern hemisphere.
  21. +12
    7 June 2023 11: 23
    The article immediately shows an expert on the water supply of Crimea, it is interesting how Crimea swallowed dirty water in a day, given that the water flows through it for about a week, plus it settles in reservoirs, not to mention the fact that the water intake is above the dam and there is nothing in terms of quality could change how the sewerage from Zaporozhye and the Dnieper went and it goes.
    Second, last year a water conduit duplicating the SCC was built, into which water was drawn from artesian sources that fed Crimea during the blockade.
  22. +6
    7 June 2023 12: 01
    Kakhovskaya HPP: who, what and why?

    Answer: She herself. So it happened. They shot.
    Well, at least they didn’t write that the Ukrainians rushed her, that would already be insanity.
    Let's be honest with ourselves. Yes, this is beneficial to our troops, it covered a large piece from the onset of the Vushniks.
    In general, I think that we have provided ourselves with enemies and haters in the newly acquired territories for fifty years to come.
    Akella missed.
    1. -7
      7 June 2023 14: 41
      Quote: Arnok
      Kakhovskaya HPP: who, what and why?

      Answer: She herself. So it happened. They shot.
      Well, at least they didn’t write that the Ukrainians rushed her, that would already be insanity.
      Let's be honest with ourselves. Yes, this is beneficial to our troops, it covered a large piece from the onset of the Vushniks.
      In general, I think that we have provided ourselves with enemies and haters in the newly acquired territories for fifty years to come.
      Akella missed.

      Here comes the cisco. Carefully lick the drug fuhrer.
    2. -3
      7 June 2023 14: 56
      Let's be honest with ourselves

      Yes, you will not be honest with yourself, you have a different task. Whose Crimea then at least tell me?
  23. +4
    7 June 2023 12: 03
    Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
    Not the human element.

    War is always a human factor...
  24. -1
    7 June 2023 12: 38
    Good, unbiased consideration of the issue. Completely agree with the conclusions.
  25. +1
    7 June 2023 14: 39
    Again no one is to blame? No, Ukrainian fascism and its Western patrons are to blame.
    You can justify them all you want.
    Is it beneficial for Russia? Russia got a headache, problems, big expenses for decades.
    Official benefit. You see, several dozen ukrovoyaks were washed away from the islands, and for this it was necessary to leave Crimea without water, ruin the Crimean farmers, who again began to grow rice, spend huge sums to restore the ruined and help the victims.
    I’m freaking out when part of the people in VO began to justify the Ukronazis, they say they didn’t have the technical means and crucify that Russia did it because only she benefited from it.
    Citizens are you crazy? What are you building? What are you turning VO into?
    The article is more or less objective, but I do not agree that they say it does not matter who is guilty.
    Very important.
    And now let's downvote, because here on this topic those who accuse Ukraine are actively downvoted. I don't care, I said what I think is necessary. I will not answer.
    1. -4
      7 June 2023 14: 54
      I'm freaking out when part of the people in VO began to justify the Ukronazis

      Yes, a decent part of these very Ukronazis have been sitting on VO for a long time, they comment and minus-plus. Now a Ukrainian can earn either at the front or at the CIPSO, there is little other work left.
  26. +2
    7 June 2023 14: 51
    3. Crimea. The fact that Aksenov said that everything is in order is denied in social networks. Crimea has ALREADY swallowed dirty water into the water intake systems, which went through pipes to the apartments of several settlements. It will get worse, further water will be scarce. The prospect is so-so, but in principle it is better to forget about rest in the Crimea for many reasons. But the residents will have to work in terms of providing them with water.

    I wanted to ask the author, how did Crimea live without water from 2014 to 2022 and together with tourists? I have been there every year and never sat without water. Well, these references that dirty water got through pipes into the apartments of citizens. How could she get there? There is a fence directly from the canal, do you think so? Or, nevertheless, through the treatment facilities of water utilities, where water is cleaned and prepared and then supplied to homes.
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  27. +1
    7 June 2023 17: 22
    Yes, the battle for the land and people, for this this land must be destroyed. amazing
  28. ada
    -4
    7 June 2023 17: 33
    ... There is a man-made disaster and it doesn't matter whose malicious intent or criminal negligence caused them. As always, ordinary civilians on both sides of the Dnieper suffered.

    Wow, what a disgrace, ah-ah. And it doesn't matter anymore...
    Let's translate into military language.
    The event is called "configuring the position of the parties in the area of ​​​​the database (on the theater of operations) along the boundaries of the barrier sections of the terrain using the consequences of the force majeure of a man-made (possibly natural) accident (catastrophe) at a critically important facility by purposefully damaging (initiating) impact on it and (or) a number of related ones", well, in particular - it is clear what it is. Here, the barrier sections are water barriers, the KVO is a hydroelectric power station with a reservoir that has the necessary water supply.
    I want to remind you that the territory of Ukraine is a geostrategic foothold on the ETVA for conducting a multi-stage US-NATO strategic operation in the Eastern Frontier against Belarus and the Russian Federation. The bridgehead has a key feature - the division by a water barrier into the Left Bank and the Right Bank, that is, barrier areas of the terrain with a number of CVOs (hydroelectric power stations, bridges, dams, etc.) of great length, both crossing a number of operational directions and cutting off significant areas. It was considered critically important for NATO, in any situation, to keep the Right Bank and especially the Black Sea with ports (well, the "underbelly" of the Republic of Belarus, but that's another story).
  29. +1
    7 June 2023 18: 27
    Here is a photo, the water level floods the engine room and this is with a broken dam, where does such a level come from? Without water backwater from above, it should be below the level of the machine room!
    1. +2
      7 June 2023 19: 29
      Machine rooms, i.e. it is hydro turbines with generators at hydroelectric power stations that are always below the water level in the reservoir.
  30. -1
    7 June 2023 18: 29
    To be honest, the bad news sucked. And the question is who is responsible for what goes on as everything goes.
  31. +2
    7 June 2023 21: 45
    As always, ordinary civilians on both sides of the Dnieper suffered.
    The only thing you can unconditionally agree with! The unfortunate common people suffer without any fault...
  32. +3
    8 June 2023 03: 45
    Why did they remove the protection of the hydroelectric power station a few hours before the shelling (undermining) ???? No more questions to Kyiv but to Moscow!!!!!
  33. 0
    8 June 2023 06: 53
    “Every accident has a first name, patronymic and last name”
    These words are attributed to Lazar Moiseevich Kaganovich
  34. +2
    8 June 2023 14: 25
    What happened to the dam?
    She drowned :)
    The explosion occurred in the territory controlled by Russian troops. This fact leads to certain conclusions.
  35. -1
    8 June 2023 16: 44
    The liquidation of the Kakhovka reservoir unequivocally creates a very difficult situation for the Russian troops along the banks of the Dnieper. The situation is especially threatening in the Enrgodar area. In order to understand this, it is enough to look at old maps before the flooding. If earlier the water barrier in that area was about four kilometers, now it is less than three hundred meters and, in addition, an island will appear from under the water opposite the ZNPP, as a very convenient springboard for the crossing.
  36. +1
    8 June 2023 19: 20
    There, water could be dumped through a shipping lock from the left bank.
    ...
    In general, when Surovikin announced last fall that he had made a difficult decision on Kherson, I knew that it would end in nonsense. I was born there and lived my life. I know what I'm talking about.
  37. 0
    8 June 2023 19: 20
    There, water could be dumped through a shipping lock from the left bank.
    ...
    In general, when Surovikin announced last fall that he had made a difficult decision on Kherson, I knew that it would end in nonsense. I was born there and lived my life. I know what I'm talking about.
  38. 0
    8 June 2023 23: 39
    In the photo, even with a breakthrough, you can see that there is a lot of water; it practically overflows through the dam, naturally this is a load. In my opinion, it collapsed itself, or something nevertheless spurred its destruction.
    I see here just a sabotage of Ukraine itself, they dumped water, look at the pictures of the water levels, it practically overflows the dam. But look on the internet for information if water overflows the dam, this leads to its damage.
    http://www.cawater-info.net/bk/dam-safety/catastrophes.htm
    Read about accidents at dams, most often it is big water. It was necessary to throw water. Water could well go to the level of the engine room and get there
    Gas was fired upon, was damaged. Plus big water. She just collapsed.
  39. 0
    9 June 2023 02: 21
    There, water could be dumped through a shipping lock from the left bank.
    ...
    In general, when Surovikin announced last fall that he had made a difficult decision on Kherson, I knew that it would end in nonsense. I was born there and lived my life. I know what I'm talking about.
  40. 0
    10 June 2023 18: 46
    Let's leave ZNPP and see what happens!