Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu named the number of losses of the Russian army in repelling the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye direction

6 2023 June 102

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the successful repulse of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye direction, naming the number of losses of the Russian army in three days of fighting. This was reported by the press service of the military department

The enemy concentrated a large number of manpower and military equipment on various sectors of the front, after which he made attempts to break through the defenses of the Russian troops. The offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine lasted almost three days. According to Shoigu, on June 4, the enemy attacked in five directions with the forces of two brigades, on June 5, 5 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went into battle, the attack was carried out in seven directions at once, but did not bring success. The enemy suffered heavy losses both in personnel and in armored vehicles.

For 3 days of hostilities in all directions, the Ukrainian army lost up to 3715 servicemen, 52 tank, 207 armored vehicles, 134 vehicles, 5 aircraft and 2 helicopters.

Thanks to the courage of individual formations of the Russian army, the breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not allowed. The fighters of the 433rd motorized rifle regiment, the 127th motorized rifle division, the 37th and 60th motorized rifle brigades especially distinguished themselves. The 3rd company of the 37th motorized rifle brigade under the command of junior lieutenant Yury Zhelanov and the commander of the 1st battalion of the same brigade, Major Vladimir Polozhentsev, showed special heroism in battles.

Under the threat of encirclement, junior lieutenant Zhelanov, being wounded, took his company to pre-equipped defensive positions, where he successfully stopped the advancing enemy units

- the minister said.

Our troops also suffered losses, 71 Russian soldiers were killed in battles with Ukrainian nationalists, 210 were injured.

Shoigu also noted the work of the operational-tactical, assault and army aviation, which destroyed most of the Ukrainian armored vehicles.

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NickShel

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6 June 2023 16: 49

The ratio of losses between the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1 to 54. I wonder who these tales are designed for?
1. Ivan Ivanov_36
  
  +27
  
  6 June 2023 16: 52
  
  With the active use of aviation - easily. There and 1 to 100 maybe. How it was in practice - I do not know. In theory, quite. For breakthroughs, you need to gather together, and such a cluster is an excellent target for all weapons.
  1. bk316
    
    +12
    
    6 June 2023 16: 55
    
    The ratio of losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 1 to 54
    
    If you transfer the field to prepared positions. And the defense will be covered behind the artillery, and you can also get an advantage in the air for the defenders and 1 to 100.
    I even know how to increase this disproportion by another 100 times - tactical nuclear weapons.
    1. Legate
      
      -14
      
      6 June 2023 17: 02
      
      And the defense will cover the back of the art
      
      And the offensive, therefore, does not cover art? Or did I miss a new miracle in the counter-battery fight from the Russian army?
      1. Repellent
        
        -25
        
        6 June 2023 17: 05
        
        Quote: Legate
        And the defense will cover the back of the art
        
        And the offensive, therefore, does not cover art? Or did I miss a new miracle in the counter-battery fight from the Russian army?
        
        And who is this cheeky one here?
      2. lexat7
        
        -1
        
        6 June 2023 17: 17
        
        Covers, but not for long.
        Your comment is too short and cheeky!
      3. bayard
        
        +10
        
        6 June 2023 19: 28
        
        Quote: Legate
        And the offensive, therefore, does not cover art? Or did I miss a new miracle in the counter-battery fight from the Russian army?
        
        On the eve of the enemy offensive, Russian artillery in this direction was silent. Therefore, it did not open its positions. An offensive is always preceded by artillery preparation, therefore the positions of their artillery are opened and fall under combined suppression (art, aviation, attack UAVs, Lancets) and are quite effectively suppressed. The places there are open , flat , treeless , it 's hard to hide .
        But the attacking columns at the time of advancement and deployment are a tasty target for all means of destruction. And there are only fields and windbreak forest belts.
        
        Alex777
        
        +1
        
        7 June 2023 01: 22
        
        Quote: bayard
        On the eve of the enemy offensive, Russian artillery in this direction was silent. Therefore, it did not open its positions.
  2. Legate
    
    -18
    
    6 June 2023 16: 58
    
    How do you imagine the active use of aviation? Hit with a whirlwind from helicopters? Can apply UMPC? And finish off the survivors with a cabriolet? So in the current realities - this is not the active use of aviation
  3. Prometey
    
    -19
    
    6 June 2023 17: 00
    
    Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
    With the active use of aviation
    
    The key in your words is active. And activity and Russian aviation are two incompatible things.
  4. NickShel
    
    -13
    
    6 June 2023 17: 13
    
    In this case, aviation had to generously pour napalm on the dryers, who desperately marched in orderly linear rows with pitchforks and spears in an open field. As Prigozhin said today, according to the Ministry of Defense, they have already destroyed the entire population of the Earth.
    Based on the comments, I realized who these fantastic are designed for, and I withdraw my question.
    1. Xenofont
      
      +7
      
      6 June 2023 18: 29
      
      You would bother to look at the chronicle in TG! Dozens of sorties by army aviation using missiles, videos from quadrics of the destruction of dozens of tanks and armored combat vehicles by artillery at the time of deployment, and so on. Do you want to be angry more? This is the diagnosis!
  5. private person
    
    -10
    
    6 June 2023 17: 13
    
    With the active use of aviation - easily.
    
    So Vsuk also has missiles and MLRS, air defense and much more, and the accumulation of manpower is also needed to repel an offensive. And judging by the losses of armored vehicles and guns, our losses are not 71 people.
  6. ZEMCH
    
    +10
    
    6 June 2023 17: 15
    
    Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
    With the active use of aviation - easily. There and 1 to 100 maybe. How it was in practice - I do not know. In theory, quite. For breakthroughs, you need to gather together, and such a cluster is an excellent target for all weapons.
    
    At one of the sites for the accumulation of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 15 FAB 500 flew in, I think the numbers are real plus or minus 100 people who could simply annihilate without the possibility of identifying the remains
  7. Uno
    
    -2
    
    6 June 2023 19: 35
    
    In theory, of course, the earth is flat, but Shoigu takes Konashenkov’s reports and simply multiplies them - “In 3 days of hostilities in all directions, the Ukrainian army lost up to 3715 military personnel, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 cars, 5 aircraft and 2 helicopters "
    
    This is more - 1200 people / 15 tanks / 60 cars / 40 cars a day (even Konashenkov did not report about planes and helicopters). We have already seen the destroyed Leopards today. Can you imagine what 1200 people look like on the parade ground and how they march to storm positions)
    1. topol717
      
      +10
      
      6 June 2023 20: 25
      
      Quote from Uno
      Can you imagine what 1200 people look like on the parade ground and how they march to storm positions)
      
      Well, i.e. when Prigozhin talked about 500 APUs a day in Bakhmut, there were no questions, but 1500 a day throughout the LBS, do you have any questions even with an active offensive?
      1. ROSS_51
        
        +2
        
        7 June 2023 00: 32
        
        Quote from: topol717
        Quote from Uno
        Can you imagine what 1200 people look like on the parade ground and how they march to storm positions)
        
        Well, i.e. when Prigozhin talked about 500 APUs a day in Bakhmut, there were no questions, but 1500 a day throughout the LBS, do you have any questions even with an active offensive?
        
        Probably not 1500 per day, but for three days of fighting, just like our announced losses.
2. qQQQ
  
  +13
  
  6 June 2023 16: 55
  
  Quote from: NickShel
  The ratio of losses between the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1 to 54. I wonder who these tales are designed for?
  
  On the other hand, there is no evidence that it is not. Again, the fact that several brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine unwound is a fact, confirmed by the video. Techniques burned enough, there is also evidence. Strikes on the rear and logistics are also present. The fact that Ukraine has not achieved anything is again a fact. Then why not be 1 to 54?
  1. NickShel
    
    -19
    
    6 June 2023 17: 08
    
    Because in 3 days, in the conditions in which this war has been waged all this time, it is physically impossible. Although, Konashenkov destroyed 8 Leopards yesterday. If you like noodles, then for God's sake.
    1. qQQQ
      
      +2
      
      7 June 2023 08: 47
      
      Quote from: NickShel
      If you like noodles, then for God's sake.
      
      I don't like noodles, I just have a brain. If the words of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are at least supported by something, then the reverse is about nothing at all. And about the loss of 1 to 13, and this is quite real. 1 to 54 sketch, demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge in mathematics (if that is 2nd grade).
3. tlauicol
  
  -7
  
  6 June 2023 16: 56
  
  1 to 10 with the wounded, total losses
  1. dzvero
    
    +4
    
    6 June 2023 17: 07
    
    Purely statistically, the ratio of losses is more than. On the other hand, such losses in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are an indicator that the situation was, if not difficult, then very tense. The main thing is to survive!
    Another thing is curious. Five brigades were battered, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine have 8 more NATO-trained brigades (at least). Where will they pop up?
    1. 1 z1
      
      0
      
      9 June 2023 20: 48
      
      8 more NATO-trained brigades (at least). Where will they pop up?
      
      And three more army corps. We hope that they will grab the trandulin, wherever they surface
  2. Horon
    
    0
    
    6 June 2023 17: 56
    
    Quote: Tlauicol
    1 to 10 with the wounded, total losses
    
    Almost. Just dill losses are given without division into killed and wounded. Still seriously whipped dill!
4. single-n
  
  0
  
  6 June 2023 17: 02
  
  Have you tried reading? 3500 TOTAL LOSS. Not only the dead.
5. Zhan
  
  +2
  
  6 June 2023 17: 14
  
  Quote from: NickShel
  The ratio of losses between the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1 to 54. I wonder who these tales are designed for?
  
  You have big problems with arithmetic. losses 1 - 13,22 to be precise, these are official sources. Of these, irrevocable to service are unknown. A wounded soldier is already a loss.
6. Dart2027
  
  -3
  
  6 June 2023 19: 29
  
  Quote from: NickShel
  The ratio of losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 1 to 54
  
  Given that these are only recorded losses, the real losses of the APU are greater.
7. Alexey Lantukh
  
  0
  
  6 June 2023 21: 39
  
  Well, if you carefully count, then we divide 3715 by (71 + 210) for a total of 13,3. Those. 1 to 13, not to 54. Of course, anything can happen, as well as the fact that these are approximate numbers.
Ivan Ivanov_36

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6 June 2023 16: 50

The numbers are good. Good numbers. Some kind of confirmation.
1. Zhan
  
  +1
  
  6 June 2023 17: 17
  
  Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
  The numbers are good. Good numbers. Some kind of confirmation.
  
  What confirmation do you need? Do not believe the reports min. defense? Please, proactively, min. defense can provide you to go personally in the trenches to keep track of losses, unless of course you live.
  1. bk0010
    
    +2
    
    6 June 2023 21: 16
    
    Quote: Zhan
    Please, proactively, min. defense can provide you to go personally in the trenches to keep track of losses, unless of course you live.
    It’s hard to see from the trenches, let them provide it on the Arbat, as they would.
2. Xenofont
  
  0
  
  6 June 2023 18: 32
  
  Where are you looking for confirmation? Maybe rummage through the Internet, but look into the TG of worthy military correspondents?
Kronos

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6 June 2023 16: 52

This seems to be the first official loss figures since last fall.
1. dmi.pris1
  
  +8
  
  6 June 2023 16: 56
  
  To be honest, I didn’t see our losses in the media even in the fall. Judging by the fact that they bring a lot of “cargo 200”, the total losses are much more than in Afghanistan. A deep bow to our soldiers ..
  1. Kronos
    
    +5
    
    6 June 2023 17: 25
    
    Of course more. After all, there were Islamists without equipment and aviation, but here a well-armed and trained army was fully supplied and maintained.
Legate

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6 June 2023 16: 54

the Ukrainian army lost up to 3715 servicemen, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 vehicles, 5 aircraft and 2 helicopters.

71 Russian servicemen were killed in battles with Ukrainian nationalists, 210 were injured.

Such a ratio of losses can be, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine with impunity were poured with might and main with cast iron from aviation. What I highly doubt
1. Strannik96
  
  -8
  
  6 June 2023 16: 56
  
  Go there, tell me, maybe doubts will dissipate
  1. Legate
    
    -7
    
    6 June 2023 17: 00
    
    Go there, go here. Go and kill yourself against the fortified area, show how to advance. Has the methodology been changed yet?
2. ZEMCH
  
  +7
  
  6 June 2023 17: 21
  
  Quote: Legate
  Such a ratio of losses can be, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine with impunity were poured with might and main with cast iron from aviation. What I highly doubt
  
  today, at about one in the morning, 15 (!) FAB 500 UMPCs arrived in the Novoselka settlement due to the accumulation of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (l / s plus a sea of equipment). Believe me, a lot of l / s and equipment flew into the air there. I think that ours even downplayed the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they simply annihilated many without the possibility of identifying even by minimal remnants)))
  1. Repellent
    
    -1
    
    6 June 2023 17: 25
    
    Quote: ZEMCH
    Believe me, a lot of l / s and equipment flew into the air there
    
    Don't waste gunpowder. This one is from the "professional doubters", on the training manual. A lot of them got divorced here, oh, a lot ...
    1. Asad
      
      +6
      
      6 June 2023 18: 50
      
      And why should there be no doubt? For a year and a half, our generals have turned up so many jambs that the soldiers do not have time to rake. And you can say anything, you believe, wonderful. Others don't, and they have a right to.
    2. Comet
      
      0
      
      6 June 2023 22: 10
      
      Quote: Repellent
      today, at about one in the morning, 15 (!) FAB 500 UMPCs arrived in the Novoselka settlement due to the accumulation of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (l / s plus a sea of equipment). Believe me, a lot of l / s and equipment flew into the air there.
      
      I will add for those who do not understand what this means. FAB-500 of the 40s of the last century, the radii of the damage zones from the center of the explosion: strong - 40 m, medium - 80, light - 160 m. And there were 15 five hundred ...
      1. Repellent
        
        -1
        
        6 June 2023 22: 20
        
        Quote: Comet
        I'll add for those who don't understand
        
        If you do this to me, then you have the wrong address.
        
        Comet
        
        +1
        
        7 June 2023 00: 24
        
        Quote: Repellent
        Quote: Comet
        I'll add for those who don't understand
        
        If you do this to me, then you have the wrong address.
        
        Not to you, of course. For those who cannot perceive the numbers from the RF Ministry of Defense in any way.
gray

+1

6 June 2023 16: 55

Hello. I hope our Defense Ministry will not give up the initiative to the enemy and their entire counteroffensive will still be broken against our defenses.
1. Kronos
  
  +5
  
  6 June 2023 17: 26
  
  If the enemy attacks where he wants, he already has the initiative.
  1. gray
    
    +1
    
    6 June 2023 20: 15
    
    Hello. This is if you do not know where the enemy will attack.
Zhan

+5

6 June 2023 17: 00

For 3 days of hostilities in all directions, the Ukrainian army lost up to 3715 military personnel, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 vehicles, 5 aircraft and 2 helicopters.

Seriously beat up.
What surprised me the most was com. companies ml. lieutenant. I've only seen this in my grandfather's face, fast track.
Well, it's not about rank, it's about skill.
Our troops also suffered losses, 71 Russian soldiers were killed in battles with Ukrainian nationalists, 210 were injured.

Losses are relatively low. Well, where without them then. Eternal glory to the dead and rest in peace. Wounded care, care, rewards and increased pay. Blessings to you guys. I don’t know about the Motherland, but we definitely won’t forget you.
1. Denis812
  
  +5
  
  6 June 2023 17: 17
  
  What surprised me the most was com. companies ml. lieutenant. I've only seen this in my grandfather's face, fast track.
  
  I got a company in 99 six months after graduation. They were released in June and sent there in December.
  In fact, I didn’t command a company for half of the first trip, I was a foreman and sergeants. Now looking there, I think thank God that they were. Otherwise I would have ordered...
2. dmi.pris1
  
  +2
  
  6 June 2023 17: 22
  
  If this is not a scribbler's mistake, about the rank of company commander, then I admit that the platoon commander took command after the death or injury of the company commander and his deputy. If so, three times a fine fellow ..
  1. Zhan
    
    +2
    
    6 June 2023 17: 28
    
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    If this is not a scribbler's mistake, about the rank of company commander, then I admit that the platoon commander took command after the death or injury of the company commander and his deputy. If so, three times a fine fellow ..
    
    I also thought about it, well, then ml. The lieutenant is a smart guy.
3. ROSS_51
  
  0
  
  7 June 2023 04: 52
  
  Quote: Zhan
  
  What surprised me the most was com. companies ml. lieutenant. I've only seen this in my grandfather's face, fast track.
  Well, it's not about rank, it's about skill.
  
  Partial mobilization, as well as the current information campaign for the hiring of contract servicemen, made it possible to form 280 military units and subunits.
  Already, there is a shortage of junior command personnel at the front, since officers have to be constantly promoted in rank in order to transfer new units to them.
  
  Explanatory article, which clarifies a lot about the state of affairs now.
  https://topcor.ru/35867-novye-obschevojskovaja-i-vozdushnaja-armija-k-chemu-gotovitsja-minoborony-rf.html
single-n

+5

6 June 2023 17: 01

3500 vs 350? Either something died in the forest, or you need to cut the sturgeon. I would believe in such a ratio in the summer of 2022. When the APU was made up of militias and partisans. But after a year of war...
1. SwR9
  
  -4
  
  6 June 2023 17: 14
  
  You might think something has changed there, we all saw how "highly motivated" "specialists" are caught all over the outskirts.
  1. private person
    
    +3
    
    6 June 2023 18: 57
    
    we all saw how "highly motivated" "specialists" are caught all over the Outskirts.
    
    You go to YouTube and look at the videos from the other side, they are all highly motivated there and are not averse to fighting.
    1. SwR9
      
      -1
      
      7 June 2023 23: 02
      
      On YouTube, the videos are mostly staged, made on camera. And reporting, they don’t particularly spread there.
2. ROSS_51
  
  +1
  
  7 June 2023 04: 55
  
  Quote: Single-n
  3500 vs 350? Either something died in the forest, or you need to cut the sturgeon. I would believe in such a ratio in the summer of 2022. When the APU was made up of militias and partisans. But after a year of war...
  
  Well, yes .. in February 22 near Donetsk, up to 60 thousand militiamen and partisans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine gathered by themselves ..
opuonmed

+8

6 June 2023 17: 06

Kingdom of heaven by the dead Russian hero!
sagitovich

+6

6 June 2023 17: 10

The losses of the Russian Federation are already about 35-37 thousand. This is together with the Wagnerites.
Calculation based on average losses by region.
There are no others, if you don't want to, don't believe it.
1. dmi.pris1
  
  +4
  
  6 June 2023 17: 24
  
  I completely believe it. We have a district with a population of just over thirty thousand. Ten people died.
  1. private person
    
    +1
    
    6 June 2023 18: 48
    
    The loss of the Russian Federation is already about 35-37 thousand people.
    
    We have approximately 16 people in the region who have died, 5 people today.
2. Poplar
  
  +1
  
  6 June 2023 22: 44
  
  I also thought it was about the same. Even taking into account the fact that the city is not far from Ryazan, and there were many paratroopers who died in the first months.
  1. private person
    
    0
    
    11 June 2023 20: 04
    
    So I don't get it for you, is it a little? How many districts does one regional center have? And in each at least 5 people who died, this is a lot.
Old Horseradish

+14

6 June 2023 17: 11

Prigozhin officially announced 20 dead in the battles for Bakhnut. How many were there wounded?
I read the article and realized that there are two Ukrainian armies. One was in Bahnut, the other in Zaporozhye. In general, after 35 years of total lies and divorces, I personally do not trust anyone.
Amateur

+6

6 June 2023 17: 16

showed 3rd company 37th Motorized Rifle Brigade junior lieutenant command

A company under the command of a junior lieutenant? Can anyone at least understand what is happening and why companies are commanded by people who do not have a military education?
ps In no way do I want to belittle the personal courage and military talent of this remarkable officer, but where did the trained lieutenants and captains go? In a "normal" army, "juniors" do not command companies.
1. Ivan Ivanov_36
  
  0
  
  6 June 2023 17: 25
  
  So maybe in the battle the senior commanding officer was killed and he took command.
  1. private person
    
    +1
    
    6 June 2023 18: 52
    
    So maybe in the battle the senior commanding officer was killed and he took command.
    
    There were only two officers there?
2. spirit
  
  +2
  
  6 June 2023 17: 26
  
  but where did the trained lieutenants and captains go?
  
  The same place and in the 41st
3. Captain Pushkin
  
  +4
  
  6 June 2023 17: 35
  
  Quote: Amateur
  A company under the command of a junior lieutenant?
  
  Most likely, they gave the sergeant an asterisk and a platoon.
  And the company commander dropped out for one of the reasons, after which the junior took command of the company (as the most experienced of the platoons?).
  1. Poplar
    
    0
    
    6 June 2023 22: 57
    
    I have an acquaintance with the rank of sergeant, mobilized, has experience in the Chechen campaign. I called my friend from there, he says: I am now a starley. I think, probably most likely in the positions of a commander, it is unlikely that they were awarded an officer rank in six months without a higher education. Most likely, there were no officers in the company for some reason, and he was temporarily appointed. Maybe he was a foreman, I don’t know for sure, I didn’t talk to him, but my friend didn’t understand either. But in principle, anything can happen in a war, even the fighter Gaidar commanded a regiment.
    1. Amateur
      
      +1
      
      7 June 2023 04: 36
      
      But in principle, anything can happen in a war, even the fighter Gaidar commanded a regiment.
      
      Here I am about the same. 16-year-old Arkady Golikov commanded a regiment of the "Reds" because all the officers were in the "White" army. "But where did the officers of the RF Armed Forces go in 2023 - that's what I want to hear.
  2. ada
    
    0
    
    7 June 2023 00: 34
    
    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Quote: Amateur
    A company under the command of a junior lieutenant?
    
    Most likely, they gave the sergeant an asterisk and a platoon.
    And the company commander dropped out for one of the reasons, after which the junior took command of the company (as the most experienced of the platoons?).
    
    Federal Law No. 53 Article 47. Assignment of military ranks
    1. Military ranks are assigned to military personnel:
    ... up to and including colonel or captain 1st rank - by officials in accordance with Regulations on the procedure for military service.
    The terms of military service in military ranks and the procedure for their assignment are determined by the Regulations on the procedure for performing military service.
    2. The next military rank is assigned to a soldier on the day of the expiration of his military service in the previous military rank, if he occupies a military position for which the state provides for a military rank equal to or higher than the military rank assigned to a military man, unless otherwise provided by this article. . ....
    4. The next military rank to a soldier may be awarded ahead of schedule for special personal merits, but not higher than the military rank provided by the state for his military position. ...
    5. A serviceman whose term of military service in the assigned military rank has expired, for special personal merits, may be awarded a military rank one step higher than the military rank provided by the state for his military position, ...
    Decree of the Pr RF of 16.09.1999 N 1237 "Issues of military service" (together with the "Regulations ...") ...
    Article 20. Military ranks
    Officers:
    junior officers - junior lieutenant ...
    3. The seniority of military ranks and compositions of military personnel is determined by the sequence of their listing in Article 46 ...
    4. Military ranks are assigned to servicemen personally.
    Military rank can be first or next. ...
    Article 21. The order of awarding the first military rank
    1. The first military ranks are:
    a) for the composition of "officers" - junior lieutenant, lieutenant; ...
    3. The military rank of junior lieutenant is assigned: ... "
    Further p / points in the Regulation to choose from, depending on your imagination - to whom and how, but in any case, it depends on the level of education, specialization and military training, and not "from sergeant to lieutenant" by "give an asterisk."
    Let's say:
    "a) to a serviceman who has completed courses for the training of junior officers, having a secondary general education, - upon graduation from the indicated educational institution; ...", respectively, could be appointed to a vacant military position providing for a high-ranking officer. Next - the terms of service in the corresponding rank.
    For all the time in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I have not seen a single document with a staff list (section) where the military title "junior l-nt" would be indicated.
    There is also an "accelerated graduation" from the VOO, that's where the level of training and the military qualifications for it are not known to me, but the officers have been released.
4. Captain Pushkin
  
  +3
  
  6 June 2023 17: 40
  
  Near Moscow, in the defensive phase of the battle, in the absence of the commander of one of the armies, the army was actually commanded by the head of the operational department of the army headquarters with the rank of colonel.
  It will be cooler than a junior lieutenant in a company.
  1. Amateur
    
    0
    
    7 June 2023 04: 40
    
    Near Moscow in the defensive phase of the battle,
    
    Do you think that the fighting at the front in the Donbass has reached the same tension as the "Battle for Moscow in 1941"
    We have nowhere to retreat
    Behind Moscow
    ?
    Sorry, but comparing "flies and cutlets" is at least tactless.
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6. ROSS_51
  
  0
  
  7 June 2023 04: 57
  
  Quote: Amateur
  
  A company under the command of a junior lieutenant? Can anyone at least understand what is happening and why companies are commanded by people who do not have a military education?
  
  https://topcor.ru/35867-novye-obschevojskovaja-i-vozdushnaja-armija-k-chemu-gotovitsja-minoborony-rf.html
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pashtet04

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6 June 2023 17: 20

Honestly, you don’t take seriously these figures of Ukraine’s losses, although anything can happen. For 3 days, in all directions, there can be wounded and killed. Especially in defense without any serious retaliatory counter-operations. Just when they say, people sometimes think losses are killed. But in fact, the wounded, missing, killed. Well, before the number - UP TO 3715 people. It could be 1000, maybe 2000, maybe 3000. In addition, there is still - irretrievable losses. Usually they like to say so before the announcement of the numbers. This is a war, there will be no exact data for 10-20 years for sure. And yes, if we compare the losses of the Russian Federation 71 + 210 = 281 and Ukraine 3715. It turns out 1 to 13 (not killed, but total). What in principle can be. The more I repeat in defense.
Maybe I'm wrong. Fix it.
1. Captain Pushkin
  
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  6 June 2023 17: 42
  
  Quote from: pashtet04
  This is a war, there will be no exact data for 10-20 years for sure.
  
  Germany has not yet officially published its losses in World War II.
Kostadinov

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6 June 2023 17: 48

Shoigu said 3715 losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not just irretrievable losses. 3715 to 281 is 13 to 1 instead of 54 to 1.
Interestingly, the ratio of killed to wounded is 3 to 1 in the Russian army, which is very close to the ratio in World War II.
1. Fan-fan
  
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  6 June 2023 18: 06
  
  Then how much did Wagner lose when he attacked the prepared Ukrainian defenses in Bakhmut for three months? If also 1 to 13, then Wagner is already over.
  1. Poplar
    
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    6 June 2023 23: 01
    
    Wagner had a different tactic, and, accordingly, the losses were different. That's why they worked for three months, because they took care of the personnel.
Nross

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6 June 2023 17: 52

It is interesting that this one on Sh. managed to count all the dead Natsiks. For 1 day, incl. in the minefields.
Breshet, although a number will do for cattle ...
I think there was a report about the large losses of the VFU and the relatively small losses of ours, but why it is so "precise" to lie is not clear. Like he wants to burn himself. I admit that the division could have been laid down, but who will count them ...
VladimirNET

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6 June 2023 19: 48

The ratio of losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - 1 to 54

3715/71 = 52, 3715/(71+210) = 13
that is, 1:52 or 1:13 - depending on what is meant by the losses of the APU.

Ukrainian army lost 52 tanks

52/400 = 13% of all tanks, i.e. they still have ~348 tanks left.
Arkady007

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6 June 2023 21: 14

Over 1000 people a day lost. There are very big doubts about the veracity of Shoigu's report.
Numbers from history.
Rzhev battle - the fighting of the Soviet and German troops, which took place in the area of the Rzhev-Vyazemsky ledge from January 5, 1942 to March 21, 1943. They include four offensive operations of the Soviet troops of the Western and Kalinin fronts, against the 4th and 9th field armies of the German Center group.
According to official Russian estimates: Killed, wounded and missing: 1 people in 342 days (888 people per day) from the USSR.
Losses of the German side, including the wounded: more than 390 people.
The battles near Rzhev became one of the bloodiest episodes of the Great Patriotic War.
And for us now they suggest believing that the battles today are commensurate in intensity and losses with the events of those times?
1. Konnick
  
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  6 June 2023 21: 37
  
  Very big doubts about the veracity of Shoigu's report
  
  Prigozhin has already "congratulated" Shoigu and "Marshal of Victory" Konashenkov on the destruction of "tanks" disguised as agricultural machinery ... So disgrace, or rather, disgrace us all with your report.
  1. Arkady007
    
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    6 June 2023 22: 15
    
    Therefore, the prices for futures wheat began to grow on the stock exchanges because the harvest is not planned.
mihey

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6 June 2023 21: 51

On June 4, the enemy attacked in five directions with the forces of two brigades, on June 5, 5 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine went into battle, the attack was carried out immediately in seven directions, but did not bring success.

It is unlikely that their brigades are NATO in number. We have an average brigade of 5-6 thousand personnel. Suppose that 5 brigades - 25-30 thousand. That is, according to the statement, the loss of dill is slightly more than 10%.
52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles

Even if the crew is 3 people, it turns out that more than 900 perished with the equipment alone (we add 1 each from: 134 cars, 5 planes and 2 helicopters)
They messed up a little...
Dear_Matt

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6 June 2023 22: 05

Has Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu appeared on the battlefield so far? What's there to say? It's a disgrace!
Vetal

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6 June 2023 22: 57
The ratio of losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1 to 54.
dump22

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6 June 2023 23: 07

3715: 71 = 52 times
or
3715 : (71 + 210) = 13 times

We fight at least 13 times better than the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
And we haven't even started yet.
It's scary even to think how many Ukrainians we will "grind" when we finally start.
I think we will then reach Kyiv in 3 (well, maximum 4) days.
Igor Tarakanov

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6 June 2023 23: 15

Let's not be dramatic. Let's see how things go further.
Tim666

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7 June 2023 00: 50

Quote: Xenofont
Where are you looking for confirmation? Maybe rummage through the Internet, but look into the TG of worthy military correspondents?

And can you name worthy in the studio, who can you really trust?
bravo77

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7 June 2023 01: 23

Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36
With the active use of aviation - easily. There and 1 to 100 maybe. How it was in practice - I do not know. In theory, quite. For breakthroughs, you need to gather together, and such a cluster is an excellent target for all weapons.

of course easily
assuming that ukry columns like the White Guards on Chapaev with Anka Perli.
and all medium-range air defense was scrapped with the approval of the United States.

Now, probably, aviation is already grazing Hymers with might and main at a depth of 100-200 km? So
suddenly, at the 15th month, lightness began for the Russian Federation, the Ukrainians were not trained, they were not armed
and they went crazy began to rush to the embrasures
bravo77

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7 June 2023 01: 32

Quote: Poplar
I have an acquaintance with the rank of sergeant, mobilized, has experience in the Chechen campaign. I called my friend from there, he says: I am now a starley. I think, probably most likely in the positions of a commander, it is unlikely that they were awarded an officer rank in six months without a higher education. Most likely, there were no officers in the company for some reason, and he was temporarily appointed. Maybe he was a foreman, I don’t know for sure, I didn’t talk to him, but my friend didn’t understand either. But in principle, anything can happen in a war, even the fighter Gaidar commanded a regiment.

the question with the officers is generally strange
in 21, the army numbered 1 million 30 thousand

300 thousand conscripts
400 thousand contract soldiers
300 thousand career officers

for 1 officer 2.5 soldiers

where does it all go

one work that was previously studied at school comes to mind
bravo77

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7 June 2023 01: 41

Quote: Single-n
Have you tried reading? 3500 TOTAL LOSS. Not only the dead.

How were the wounded counted?
Vsu personally sent reports to the General Staff?

in general, where are the fields littered with corpses, okay, at least show the tanks
they were "led" from drones and knocked out by directing fire

if they attacked in a brigade,
there should have been a batch with heavy losses.
bravo77

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7 June 2023 01: 48

Quote: Amateur
showed 3rd company 37th Motorized Rifle Brigade junior lieutenant command

A company under the command of a junior lieutenant? Can anyone at least understand what is happening and why companies are commanded by people who do not have a military education?
ps In no way do I want to belittle the personal courage and military talent of this remarkable officer, but where did the trained lieutenants and captains go? In a "normal" army, "juniors" do not command companies.

well, in 1915 all the officers were almost knocked out
officers made soldier ranks of future zhukovy, rokosovsky

for today's army, questions can be from the point of view of the reforms carried out and the correspondence between the declared and actual numbers
ada

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7 June 2023 02: 25

Discussion of statements. Oh well.
You look where the finger points to you and dig in vain, trying to understand what is impossible to understand without having the appropriate information.
What does the number "3715" say? Why not "3714"? Well, for us - some kind of orientation in the glass, but "behind the puddle", perhaps at this time, some are already twisting their hands and looking for the "mole" or convulsively deciding whether to change the cipher and codes or will it be even worse ?. Or - "But aren't our wards "molding" us? And where are our people looking on the spot? And, haven't they failed the entire" network "?".
Discussion of the magnitude of losses. Enemy.
Well, don't count here. MO receives information from different sources of its structures, analyzes them and then translates them into data, which at the next stage of processing are generalized and translated into information of a different order and subjected to comparison with information from other sources, analyzed again and finally obtained a degree of reliability, and if it satisfies, then they work with the information received as with reliable and, already these numbers are used for planning or evaluation, but they do not go on the "air" in their pure form, well, unless it is very necessary.
Then, I want to remind you that fire (and not only) defeat to the advancing enemy is inflicted on the entire depth of the operational formation of groupings of his troops both in the zone of their responsibility, and neighboring and distant groupings of operational reserves, and in addition - on the supporting military and civilian infrastructure and other critical facilities, including those of temporary importance. And how fast there, what, lay down and crawled - it is possible to learn only from the interceptions of information over a relatively long time, but for now - be content with operational information.
ISKANDER_61

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7 June 2023 02: 59

You see how it is, the accountant kozhugetych himself sat there and counted all the losses to the vsu. Hero. True strategist.
lambert

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8 June 2023 13: 27

Quote from Uno
In theory, of course, the earth is flat, but Shoigu takes Konashenkov’s reports and simply multiplies them - “In 3 days of hostilities in all directions, the Ukrainian army lost up to 3715 military personnel, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 cars, 5 aircraft and 2 helicopters "

This is more - 1200 people / 15 tanks / 60 cars / 40 cars a day (even Konashenkov did not report about planes and helicopters). We have already seen the destroyed Leopards today. Can you imagine what 1200 people look like on the parade ground and how they march to storm positions)

Baby, if you do not know who prepares reports for the President, the Minister of Defense and the Chief. General Staff, then do not show your ignorance. Therefore, your earth is flat. To begin with, at least they took the Instruction on the Service of Headquarters, there will be a lot of interesting things written for you. As I understand you, the level of the squad leader is the maximum - according to knowledge, for sure.
Ezekiel 25-17

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11 June 2023 07: 40

Quote from: NickShel
The ratio of losses between the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 1 to 54. I wonder who these tales are designed for?

Air supremacy, minefields, artillery + President, who imagines himself Napoleon and plans success for the next NATO summit; so you have 1 to 54.
Michael Y

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11 June 2023 23: 23

How effective is canopy shooting from helicopters and planes? From a stationary gun they do not always hit the target, but here they shoot at high speed.
BorzRio

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11 June 2023 23: 35

I wonder if Shoigu himself believes in the numbers he names?
tolmachiev51

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12 June 2023 03: 44

Believe it or not, there is no alternative!!! 71 tragedies are a retribution for our mediocre attitude to foreign policy in the 90s.