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The United States conducted an underground test of a plutonium bomb

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American experts conducted an underground experimental explosion at the site in Nevada.

As noted in the message, the explosion, called Pollux, became the 27-m in a row subcritical nuclear experiment. The previous one, Barolo B, was produced in February 2011 of the year, the media reported.

Representatives of the US Department of Energy said that the purpose of such experiments is to collect scientific information, which will greatly contribute to "ensuring the safety and efficiency of the national nuclear weapons".

A subcritical explosion involves the detonation of explosives around a radioactive material without reaching a critical mass and starting a chain reaction. In the course of the experiment, the behavior of plutonium under conditions of exposure to a large amount of explosives is studied.
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  1. Vanek
    Vanek 7 December 2012 12: 16
    +31
    Nevada in place?

    .................It's a pity.......
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 7 December 2012 15: 09
      +13
      And these bad people are still trying to talk about reducing nuclear weapons.
      1. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 7 December 2012 15: 48
        +8
        In fact, Russia also conducts subcritical tests, they are not prohibited. So the news is not interesting.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 7 December 2012 16: 04
          +32
          Quote: viruskvartirus
          In fact, Russia also conducts subcritical tests, they are not prohibited. So the news is not interesting.


          Extreme tests were carried out in 1998 and 2000. In October this year, Rosatom announced that the tests would be resumed.
          First, to determine the safety and reliability of older types of warheads
          Secondly, the results of subcritical tests can also be used to create new generation warheads.. And it pleases.
          Another indication that Russia is “on the way to something” at the Novaya Zemlya test site is the closure of civilian flights at Rogachevo Airport. The airport provides nuclear testing in the Matochkin Circle, which divides the northern and southern islands.
          Also in October Barentsoffserver He reported on Russia's plans to transfer groups of MIG-31 supersonic fighters to the same water area.
          1. nokki
            nokki 7 December 2012 17: 58
            +6
            For which I respect Ascetic: rarely hits, but aptly! Thanks for the info!
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 7 December 2012 18: 38
              +7
              nokki,

              planning nuclear warhead. for Topol-M already created it is necessary to conduct not only test launches but also to resume subcritical tests which, incidentally, are not prohibited by the Non-Proliferation Treaty ..
              Something can be learned on the Internet here
              For the first time, such a development of the Russian military-industrial complex was talked about in an undertone during the time of Defense Minister Igor Sergeev. The minister fought to increase spending on the Strategic Missile Forces close to him in his previous duty station and, in particular, to increase the volume of purchases of the latest Topol-M strategic missile system. It was for him that the so-called planning nuclear warhead was created. What is it, the marshal and his entourage categorically refused to speak, but not without pride hinted that, unlike ordinary ballistic warheads, this device can at the very last moment as independently change the flight path - according to a previously entered program, so be redirected already over enemy territory.
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 7 December 2012 23: 55
        +1
        In general, they are for the reduction of ya. everywhere except America, and it should be noted we are actively helping them in this, unfortunately.
        "US State Department spokesman Nuland recalled that within the framework of a program aimed at eliminating surplus Russian nuclear weapons, over 20 years it was possible to" destroy more than 7,6 thousand nuclear warheads, ensure the safety of fissile materials, reduce the level of biological threat and reorient military facilities to work in peaceful directions. "" This program benefits the Russian and American peoples, as well as the whole world. And we hope that it will be continued, "- said the representative of the State Department."
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 8 December 2012 00: 39
          +3
          Quote: S_mirnov
          In general, they are for the reduction of ya. everywhere except America, and it should be noted we are actively helping them in this, unfortunately.


          The current START-3 Treaty registers warheads as follows
          [
          b] “The number of warheads is the number of warheads deployed on deployed ICBMs and on deployed SLBMs”

          Therefore, the so-called "return potential" is not regulated by anything. Only actually carriers of nuclear submarines and aircraft DA and ICBM delivery vehicles of the Strategic Missile Forces. Therefore, we can have any charges in the warehouses as much as we want, and it does not matter what charges or species characteristics.
          Example. The START-1 treaty prohibits the equipping of existing types of "monoblock" missiles with separated warheads (therefore, on the first Topol we were on duty with one AP even though they could carry three) The START-I text clearly distinguishes between the concepts of "new type" and "modernized missile" for a number of parameters, for example Yars is a modernized rocket RT-2PM2 "Topol-M", equipped with an RGCh instead of one warhead and definitely fell under START-1
          In the text of START-III RS-24 published immediately after signing was listed as separate from RT-2PM2 (RS-12M2 according to START) type. and accordingly did not fall under any prohibitions.
        2. bart74
          bart74 9 December 2012 23: 18
          0
          I agree! I don’t like you, Mirnov. But in this I completely agree with you. Did you happen to subscribe to the news from the State Department? Maybe tell me how to connect this option. I'd really like to know what Hilaya Clintonsha is up to. winked
  2. Login
    Login 7 December 2012 12: 22
    +31
    So that they have formed a fault at the place of the explosion and all SyShyA fell there !!! am
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 7 December 2012 16: 06
      +4
      Red-skinned indigenous people feel sorry crying
      Now, if the island east of the Isle of Man had sunk into the abyss, this is HIGH. good
  3. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 7 December 2012 12: 31
    +12
    Цепной реР° РєС † РёРё РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ, РІР · СЂС ‹РІ РЅРµ ядерны Р№. РЎР »РёРІ Р · Р ° СЃС ‡ итР° РЅ. РўРІР ° СЂРё.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 12: 39
      +32
      Quote: Middle Brother
      Beasts.

      Here you are right, here is the news from Clinton .......................................... ...............................
      .....
      The United States will try to prevent the re-establishment of the Soviet Union in the new version under the guise of economic integration, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Dublin.

      According to the Financial Times, she said this at a press conference shortly before the meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Press Secretary of President Vladimir Putin Dmitry Peskov said that Clinton’s interpretation reflects a “completely misunderstanding” of integration processes. “Now we see a new type of integration in the territory of the former USSR that is based only on the economy,” he said. “Any other option for unification is completely impossible in today's world.”

      Efforts are underway to re-Sovietize the region, said the head of the US State Department. She stressed that officially this will be called differently, for example, “Customs Union”, “Eurasian Union” and something like that. “But let's not be fooled,” Clinton said. “We know the real purpose of this, and are already trying to work out effective ways to slow down or prevent [integration].”

      The Secretary of State linked Moscow’s desire for leadership in the region with new “repressions” by pro-Russian regimes in the republics of the former USSR, where tough laws were passed. In Washington, they are upset that 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, there is a rollback from the “progress indicators” that have already appeared. The Financial Times writes that Clinton’s tone showed that "the US has begun reassessing a reset of its relationship with Russia."
      1. YARY
        YARY 7 December 2012 13: 08
        +15
        The United States will try to prevent the re-establishment of the Soviet Union in the new version under the guise of economic integration, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Dublin.


        Tired when scared tsuko !!!
        1. Igorboss16
          Igorboss16 7 December 2012 15: 09
          +7
          Yes, they were always afraid of us, I hope this prostitute will end badly angry
          1. enkor
            enkor 7 December 2012 18: 03
            +5
            Don’t tell me, it won’t finish ... hi
            1. Igorboss16
              Igorboss16 8 December 2012 18: 52
              0
              there is a suspicion that her PMS was delayed laughing that walks as hell am wassat
        2. bart74
          bart74 9 December 2012 23: 21
          0
          Yes, I read such news on Regnum. It seems to me that on our site you also need to enter the POLICY section. And then somehow, sometimes such an info left in the news slips, but there is not much real news.
          Went to write admin in slippers
      2. Cavas
        Cavas 7 December 2012 13: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The Secretary of State linked Moscow’s desire for leadership in the region with new “repressions” by pro-Russian regimes in the republics of the former USSR, where tough laws were passed. In Washington, they are upset that 20 years after the collapse of the USSR, there is a rollback from the “progress indicators” that have already appeared. The Financial Times writes that Clinton’s tone showed that "the US has begun reassessing a reset of its relationship with Russia."

        Sasha, and she has nothing left to say.
        GDP is ruining America, as it once did with the USSR.

        Here we will see:À la guerre comma à la guerre

        And we are proud, and our enemy is proud,
        Hand forget about laziness.
        Let's see who's over the top
        Let's see who's over the top
        In the end, bend his knees.


      3. in reserve
        in reserve 7 December 2012 13: 54
        +4

        Alexander Romanov
        Press Secretary of President Vladimir Putin Dmitry Peskov said that Clinton’s interpretation reflects a “completely misunderstanding” of integration processes. “Now we see a new type of integration in the territory of the former USSR that is based only on the economy,” he said. “Any other option for unification is completely impossible in today's world.”


        We make excuses again fool , we are told openly that we do not want to see Russia as a power equal to us in status, therefore we will not allow its strengthening.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 16: 19
          +1
          Quote: in stock
          We make excuses again

          Yes, here we would still learn to speak openly and call a spade a spade. We call them partners, an opposition, terrorists, we must speak openly to the whole world who is who. Only then they will hear us.
      4. Lissyara
        Lissyara 7 December 2012 16: 59
        0
        No, they found compromising evidence with Monica about Bill.
        Who else would expose this "manEtchitsoy". Although this one will not even rise.
        Aw, intelligence, where are you?
      5. avdkrd
        avdkrd 7 December 2012 18: 56
        0
        In general, Peskov reacts sluggishly. Her (Clinton's) statement is tantamount to saying that, say, Medvedev will declare that Russia will not allow the existence of the 3rd Reich under the guise of the European Union. It's time to put the State Department in its place, or it will be clearly and officially determined that Sash is our main enemy and all interactions are to be built with the enemy, respectively, to limit both economic and political interaction as much as possible. Otherwise, it turns out to be a one-sided game - you see, Sash officially interferes in the processes in our geopolitical zone, and he interferes openly with hostility, and ours are again bleating about "misunderstanding".
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 7 December 2012 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Middle Brother
      the explosion is not nuclear.

      Do not wash so skating!
    3. MG42
      MG42 7 December 2012 18: 04
      +3
      Quote: Middle Brother
      There was no chain reaction, the explosion was not nuclear. The drain is counted.

      The United States is really afraid of terrorist attacks using radioactive materials - "dirty bombs". Where will it happen earlier in the USA or Israel ???, but it will happen - a matter of time.
      http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1160365200
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 7 December 2012 21: 25
        -3
        Quote: MG42
        The United States is really afraid of terrorist attacks using radioactive materials - "dirty bombs". Where will it happen earlier in the USA or Israel ???, but it will happen - a matter of time.

        Unfortunately, most likely in Russia.
        1. MG42
          MG42 7 December 2012 21: 32
          +2
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Unfortunately, most likely in Russia.

          Not a damn thing. belay
          In Ukraine, all the problems have not yet been resolved as in the distant 1986 call of the reactor at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
          Better let it happen on another continent!
  4. Jin
    Jin 7 December 2012 12: 32
    +3
    Who knows why this is being done and what such tests can lead to? Ammunition with the power of an atomic bomb, but without "harmful" consequences?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 7 December 2012 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: Jin
      development


      To rupture of the lithospheric plate.

      In every little kid
      Both in the boy and in the girl
      there are 200 grams of explosives
      Or even a pound.
      Gotta run and jump
      All snap, kick, jerk,
      Otherwise it will explode -
      fuck-bang-bang and not him.
      1. Jin
        Jin 7 December 2012 12: 38
        0
        Quote: Vanek
        To rupture of the lithospheric plate.


        Are you serious or kidding?
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 7 December 2012 12: 41
          +3
          Quote: Jin
          Are you serious or kidding?


          In my opinion, Sakharov offered something similar. But not in the United States itself, but in my opinion in the ocean.
          1. Jin
            Jin 7 December 2012 12: 45
            +1
            Quote: Vanek
            In my opinion, Sakharov suggested something similar


            He, if I’m not mistaken, proposed this with a conventional nuclear or thermonuclear charge, there’s something else
          2. viruskvartirus
            viruskvartirus 7 December 2012 15: 52
            0
            It was Tsar Torpedo Sakharov
            http://www.diletant.ru/blogs/3796/3170/
      2. YARY
        YARY 7 December 2012 13: 09
        +2
        Vanya ZATCHOT !! wassat
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 7 December 2012 13: 14
          +1
          Quote: Ardent
          Vanya ZATCHOT !!


          Andrey THANKS !!! wassat
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 7 December 2012 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: Jin
      Who knows why this is being done and to the development of what such tests can lead to?

      Thus, the reliability of nuclear charges of long-term storage is tested. In Russia (USSR), similar experiments were called hydrodynamic. Explosion power is usually 1-2 kg in T-equivalent.
      1. Jin
        Jin 7 December 2012 12: 44
        +1
        Marine oneThank you, otherwise I decided by a sinful deed that we were talking about a "clean" nuclear bomb ... well, thank God that it is not so
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 7 December 2012 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Jin
          well thank god that's not true


          Eugene, I read your comments and there is some interest in this topic.

          Do you know something?
          1. Jin
            Jin 7 December 2012 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: Vanek
            Do you know something?


            Unfortunately no! There was a fleeting topic about the development of super-powerful ammunition, sort of based on the decay of atomic nuclei, i.e. Nuclear weapons, but! The trick is that environmental pollution is not fatal, you can develop and populate territories ... In short, I still didn’t understand anything, there was no time to read it, and then I just could not find data on this topic. In short, if something like this is being developed or developed, and even unilaterally, then you understand it yourself ... I hope that this is just a glitch and I just misunderstood something. I thought that we were talking about something similar, but, fortunately, I was mistaken
            1. Igarr
              Igarr 7 December 2012 13: 11
              +2
              It's actually the neutron bomb you're writing about, Jin.
              and the fact that the article is a check of theoretical developments in nuclear weapons, but without a full-fledged nuclear explosion (with nuclear fission).
              It’s easier to say (but not completely true) - a test of a model of a ship in a basin, not a ship in the ocean.
              The equipment gives parameters - the theory is further specified - the cycle repeats.
              Without explosions, we get a working bomb. With a certain degree of probability.
              ..
              Well, since - plutonium - then this is .. "clean bomb". Neutron.
              1. Jin
                Jin 7 December 2012 13: 19
                0
                Quote: Igarr
                It's actually the neutron bomb you're writing about, Jin.


                I could be wrong! A neutron bomb, kills all living things, without leading to total destruction of infrastructure, as far as I know, but I can't say anything about its "purity" ... I wrote about something else (or so I think it might be)
                1. Igarr
                  Igarr 7 December 2012 19: 03
                  +1
                  Well, I don’t know ... what did you write about ..
                  ".. The trick is that environmental contamination is not fatal, you can develop and populate territories ..."
                  ..
                  What are your words? Or not?
                  So it’s not fatal ... or strictly limited - .. this is the neutron .. Reagan’s chip!
                  ..
                  To ignite ... the process of the collapse of the WORLD .. or its SYNTHESIS (hydrogen bomb) - is impossible on conventional technologies available to ... humanity ..
                  We ourselves .. not knowing all the possibilities .. discovered .... TOYS ... for ourselves.
                  Very dangerous toys ...
                  ..
                  Why do you think about thermonuclear ... they don’t even talk about the last time?
                  ..
                  1. Jin
                    Jin 7 December 2012 21: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: Igarr
                    So not fatal ... or strictly limited


                    So how so?
        2. Marine One
          Marine One 7 December 2012 13: 07
          +3
          Quote: Jin
          Thank you, otherwise I decided by a sinful deed that we are talking about a "clean" nuclear bomb ... well, thank God that it is not so


          Yes, not at all. This story with these "under-explosions" has been going on since the days of Bill Clinton. The situation can be described primitively as follows: the American military-political elite has no consensus on the development of nuclear weapons. There are groups that believe that the United States should reduce its arsenals as much as possible, not develop new types of nuclear weapons, etc. Other groups believe that the opposite is true - the arsenals need to be modernized as much as possible, the infrastructure for testing them must be developed and production capacities must be created in order to quickly increase the number of new charges if necessary. And finally, on the third side, it is believed that it is necessary to leave everything as it is and simply maintain the combat readiness of the nuclear weapons units in storage.
          1. Jin
            Jin 7 December 2012 13: 21
            -1
            Marine one, HM interesting. And what about the correspondence upstream? Where is the truth? And you heard something about what I wrote about?
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 7 December 2012 14: 32
              +2
              Quote: Jin
              And what about the correspondence upstream?


              As I understand it, this is a kind of "clean weapon". In theory, this is a kind of modernized nuclear warhead that strikes with the proper destructive force, but at the same time, environmental pollution with radioactive materials occurs according to the minimum principle. What we have in reality:

              1) Neutron charges (NC). Due to the design features and the principle of operation, these are weapons of mass destruction of a tactical level and low power, rarely above 1 kt. You can't call it a clean weapon either. Yes, in open areas, induced radioactivity does not last long - up to several days. However, in buildings, equipment, etc. radiation sources are formed powerful, stable and long-term. Regarding NS, it is widely believed that after the explosion, only living beings die, and the "iron" remains unharmed. Yeah, schaz. No one canceled the shock wave, and the same kiloton charge within a radius of a kilometer will blow everything to smithereens without disassembling it.

              2) "New generation" thermonuclear charges, assuming the absence of explosion products with a long decay period, as well as a small area of ​​radioactive contamination of the area. There are more legends here than verified information. In practice, to create such a bomb, quite roughly speaking, it is necessary to come up with some kind of non-nuclear fuse. That is, the fusion reaction must be initiated by an energy source alternative to the fission reaction. And then - the veil of secrecy and rumors about ongoing developments. In general, the meaning of such bombs is controversial both from the point of view of physics and from a military point of view, especially in the presence of powerful non-nuclear charges and high-precision means of their delivery.
              1. Jin
                Jin 7 December 2012 21: 51
                +1
                Quote: Marine One
                And then - a veil of secrecy and rumors about ongoing developments.


                Well, actually, I asked about this. Thank you, colleague, for the detailed answer. I think such developments are underway, but I really want to believe that they are far from complete at the moment.
              2. Jin
                Jin 7 December 2012 22: 44
                -1
                Quote: Marine One
                especially in the presence of powerful non-nuclear charges and high-precision delivery vehicles.


                This is understandable, colleague, but in the presence so far, fortunately, of a purely hypothetical "pure nuclear warhead" of the same size and mass as a warhead with "conventional" explosives, striking the factors of the first, surpass those of the second. Under certain conditions, the power can be excessive, which does not diminish, however, the prospect of the selective use of this type of weapons of mass destruction, with all that it implies ...
                Best regards hi
      2. Bronis
        Bronis 7 December 2012 13: 45
        +1
        We also talked about the possibility of conducting such tests on a small earth. http://lenta.ru/articles/2012/10/04/object700/
        It seems that carrying out full-fledged nuclear explosions is not so necessary. Both we and they are well aware of the mechanisms and consequences. And it’s not cheap (consequences). And for verification, they write, this is enough. But here also the NPT must take into account the ban on nuclear testing. The given option is a legal loophole.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 7 December 2012 18: 56
          +1
          Guys ...
          either forgot ... or not studied ...
          what is the difference .. atomic bomb .. from hydrogen .. ????
          What is the "fuse" ... for one and the other .. ???
          Understand ...
          and then we'll talk ...
          Plutonium .. gives a much greater efficiency .. if so it will be clearer.
          It is impossible to ignite .. lithium hydride ... on a conventional explosive ..
  5. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 7 December 2012 12: 34
    0
    We also recently held.
    1. Jin
      Jin 7 December 2012 12: 35
      0
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      We also recently held.


      Okay? Is it possible in more detail? Is there a link?
      1. Marine One
        Marine One 7 December 2012 13: 14
        0
        Quote: Jin
        Okay? Is it possible in more detail? Is there a link?


        A colleague, apparently, had this news in mind about the New Earth - http://www.b-port.com/news/item/89524.html
  6. black_eagle
    black_eagle 7 December 2012 12: 37
    +1
    But what about the ban on nuclear weapons tests? Shit fuckers
    1. SSR
      SSR 7 December 2012 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: black_eagle
      But what about the ban on nuclear weapons tests?

      A subcritical explosion involves the detonation of explosives around a radioactive material without reaching a critical mass and initiating a chain reaction. During the experiment The behavior of plutonium under the influence of a large amount of explosives is studied.
      There seems to be no reaction and it’s not nuclear type .. but still an experiment with plutonium ...
      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 7 December 2012 12: 45
        0
        They told us so, like you spotted radioactive traces from a satellite? but we didn’t blow up anything, we only see what will happen, of course! five disguise! Yes, but there is no evidence that they did not detonate the atomic bomb
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 7 December 2012 13: 46
          +1
          on such explosions a bunch of people from a scientific fraternity are crowding. And it’s Plutonium that they no longer have anything to develop from the 90s, our totalitarian enrichment was only drowned out in 2011.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 7 December 2012 16: 14
        -1
        Quote: SSR
        A subcritical explosion involves the detonation of explosives around a radioactive material without reaching a critical mass and initiating a chain reaction. During the experiment, the behavior of plutonium under the influence of a large amount of explosives is studied. There seems to be no reaction and it is not nuclear .. but still, an experiment with plutonium


        Yes Yes!
        African American is not a Negro! bully
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 7 December 2012 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: black_eagle
      But what about the ban on nuclear weapons tests?

      There is no nuclear explosion as such. Formally, these tests under the contracts of 1970, and 1996. do not fall.
  7. toguns
    toguns 7 December 2012 12: 40
    -1
    start nuclear arms race ??? what
  8. Rediska
    Rediska 7 December 2012 12: 43
    +1
    This prohibition applies only in three habitats, in space, water, and on the surface of the earth. Underground, everything is allowed :))
    1. Jin
      Jin 7 December 2012 12: 50
      0
      Quote: REDiska
      Underground everything is allowed


      Well no! Underground is also under the maratorium.
    2. black_eagle
      black_eagle 7 December 2012 12: 53
      -1
      By personal decree, I forbid !!!)))))) soldier
  9. saveall
    saveall 7 December 2012 12: 47
    -1
    As far as I remember, plutonium is one of the most dangerous radioactive materials and, in addition to radioactivity, also has high toxicity. A plutonium bomb is a tin of course ... how are they going to live on this ball after using this kind of WMD?
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 7 December 2012 18: 59
      -1
      And then toxicity ?!
      Do you know no plutonium bombs?
  10. Alexei
    Alexei 7 December 2012 13: 02
    0
    Yes, hell knows what they spent there, but thanks anyway for admitting .. winked
  11. alexbg2
    alexbg2 7 December 2012 13: 26
    +6
    In our country, such tests were called NPC (explosion with incomplete chain reaction), the most powerful ones were under the general code name "Ether". The plutonium charge is less than needed for a chain reaction, about 100g. A full-fledged plutonium charge weighs about 1 kg, and is a ball the size of a tennis ball.
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 7 December 2012 16: 18
      -2
      laughing
      1ct. and 500ct. In your opinion, this is like a Boot and a Mining Dump Truck. crying
  12. demon ada
    demon ada 7 December 2012 13: 36
    0
    urgently impose sanctions against the US
    (for example, to prohibit the import of food from the United States, or something else that we can or should replace)
    take the cliton list
    Well, what else come up with a thread.
  13. patriot2
    patriot2 7 December 2012 13: 40
    0
    It is interesting, but will these underground tests eventually come up against an increase in their seismic activity or somewhere else?
    1. Russian sniper
      Russian sniper 7 December 2012 13: 45
      +2
      Rather, on the contrary, in places of nuclear tests, that is precisely explosions, seismic activity is reduced to minimum values. yes The question is where will it grow.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 7 December 2012 14: 06
        +2
        In Japan, an earthquake of magnitude 7,3 was. The Yellowstone volcano, unfortunately, did not comment on the tests in the United States.
    2. Jin
      Jin 7 December 2012 13: 48
      +2
      Quote: patriot2
      It is interesting, but will these underground tests eventually come up against an increase in their seismic activity or somewhere else?


      Unlikely. There was no explosion as such, as I understand it.
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 7 December 2012 13: 56
        +4
        There will only be pollution from plutonium sprayed from the explosion, but there they most likely will have subsequent cleaning provided. In 1979, he worked on such an experiment, it was ground-based, after the explosion dismantled the equipment and filled up two underground bunkers, there was no decontamination and cleaning.
        I still think that this stain contaminated with plutonium has remained on the ground.
        This is at the Semipalatinsk test site.
        1. Jin
          Jin 7 December 2012 14: 01
          0
          Quote: alexbg2
          There will be only pollution from plutonium atomized from the explosion, but there they most likely will have subsequent cleaning


          Probably all the more so since this is a training ground in Nevada, where they just didn’t blow up at the time. so that if they don’t even clean it, they will not lose much ...
          1. alexbg2
            alexbg2 7 December 2012 14: 10
            0
            An underground explosion, it will not add any particular pollution, they will not want to deactivate, they simply seal the explosion zone, for example, concrete pouring.
        2. marshes
          marshes 7 December 2012 14: 07
          0
          Quote: alexbg2
          This is at the Semipalatinsk test site.

          This is by chance not in the area where the snow does not lie and the temperature is 10-15 degrees higher than usual?
        3. Marine One
          Marine One 7 December 2012 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: alexbg2
          There will be only pollution from plutonium atomized from the explosion


          "Subcritical" explosions are being carried out at the U1a complex in Nevada, which is an underground laboratory at a depth of about 300 meters, including about 1 mile of mine galleries, first dug in the 1960s. The test chamber size is 3x4,5x9 meters. After the explosion, the chamber is filled with multi-layer concrete and completely insulated.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 7 December 2012 16: 21
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            Quote: Marine One
            After the explosion, the chamber is poured with multilayer concrete and completely insulated.


            In our opinion, it looks like this - It is covered with a multi-storey mat and then the "device" is put. bully
    3. Marine One
      Marine One 7 December 2012 14: 52
      +3
      Quote: patriot2
      It is interesting, but will these underground tests eventually come up against an increase in their seismic activity or somewhere else?

      There, the explosion power is like that of a small-caliber projectile.
      1. Jin
        Jin 7 December 2012 21: 57
        +2
        Marine one, colleague, plus! Briefly about the main thing, to all the basic questions ... inspires respect hi
  14. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 7 December 2012 14: 09
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    Nothing our hydrogen will not deliver to the American plutonium! wassat wassat
    1. alexbg2
      alexbg2 7 December 2012 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      Nothing our hydrogen will not deliver to American plutonium

      Our and plutonium will not yield, but hydrogen is too massive and dimensional, heavy carriers are needed for it.
  15. alexbg2
    alexbg2 7 December 2012 14: 13
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    This is by chance not in the area where the snow does not lie and the temperature is 10-15 degrees higher than usual?

    There is enough snow there and the temperatures are normal for that region.
    1. marshes
      marshes 7 December 2012 14: 25
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      Quote: alexbg2
      There is enough snow there and the temperatures are normal for that region.

      And then I found in the press about this- The Thermal Zone on the territory of the former Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Site (SNP) was first discovered about 4 years ago using satellite imagery. In this zone, soil temperature is 10-15 degrees higher than in areas adjacent to the territory.
      1. alexbg2
        alexbg2 7 December 2012 14: 58
        +1
        There were three main sites at the test site, where the main part of the tests was carried out, "Ш" - ground and air explosions, "Г" - explosions in adits, "Balapan" - explosions in wells. Inside these test sites, local thermal zones are quite possible, but not throughout the test site.
        Yes, by the way, the other day the last head of the training ground Arkady Danilovich Ilyenko turned 83 years old. He lives in Belgorod.
  16. marshes
    marshes 7 December 2012 14: 19
    +1
    It seems that the Americans are making a charge to destroy deep bunkers, compact. The goal is the destruction of nuclear facilities, if nothing was done in the bunker, then it will not be possible to verify the connection with a high level of infection.
  17. Nechai
    Nechai 7 December 2012 14: 54
    +4
    Quote: Marine One
    In Russia (USSR), similar experiments were called hydrodynamic. Explosion power is usually 1-2 kg in T-equivalent.

    Experiments in the steel 10-meter sphere were carried out. In the near Moscow region, by the way. Full-blown TY-explosion. With a capacity of up to 10 tons of TNT. Labs in college, like ...
    Quote: alexbg2
    here hydrogen is too massive and dimensional, heavy carriers are needed for it.

    There were, until the mid 70s. The mafia of "discoverers" in every possible way did not let the development, then, of the youth. But they could not extinguish the fireman from the gas-bearing field near Bukhara for three years. But their young competitors are easy. After the trial, there was a generational change in research teams. And Mr. Sakharov had to become a dissidents. They moved away from the trough of the Soviet State. He, inflamed with humanism, stuck to the American tit.
    And the guys worked. And they kept within 125mm. And the variable power of the ammunition provided.
  18. Edya
    Edya 7 December 2012 15: 33
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    Yeah, of course, for security reasons ......... Just say for a new nuclear bomb
  19. Starksa
    Starksa 7 December 2012 15: 49
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    But does this apply to tests of vigorous loaf? or it seems to me that these tests are forbidden
  20. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 7 December 2012 15: 50
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    NATO howitzers are adapted for firing shells with nuclear weapons. And the above tests do not lead to the creation of shells with combined ammunition of a relatively small caliber ????
  21. AlexiusKit
    AlexiusKit 7 December 2012 17: 49
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    Quote: AIR-ZNAK
    NATO howitzers are adapted for firing shells with nuclear weapons. And the above tests do not lead to the creation of shells with combined ammunition of a relatively small caliber ????

    Hmm ... a curious suggestion ... Maybe they’re working on it too
  22. MG42
    MG42 7 December 2012 17: 56
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    A subcritical explosion involves the detonation of explosives around a radioactive material without reaching a critical mass and starting a chain reaction. In the course of the experiment, the behavior of plutonium under conditions of exposure to a large amount of explosives is studied.

    Maybe they are investigating a "dirty bomb" - this is when terrorists take possession of radioactive materials and detonate them without a nuclear reaction, but the radiation will spread?
    "Dirty Bomb" combines conventional explosives like dynamite and radioactive material like ospent nuclear fuel such as enriched uranium and plutonium. In many cases, conventional explosives would kill more people who were nearby, but the dispersal of radioactive material is an enormous amount of fear.

    1. Bear52
      Bear52 8 December 2012 01: 07
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      Investigate "dirty" for such grandmothers ... I doubt it. I don't believe it. I even think that everything has been figured out on harmless isotopes for a long time
  23. Rus2012
    Rus2012 7 December 2012 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: Nechai
    And the guys worked. And they met in 125mm.


    Dear colleague, please indicate the source pliz ...
    According to my data, a caliber of less than 152mm does not work with us (in the USA-155, external D ammunition).
    Moreover, this is on materials whose half-life is too transient. Therefore, to store for a long time does not work ...

    Quote: MG42
    Can investigate the "dirty bomb"

    A "dirty bomb" is usually made of highly radioactive materials, such as spent fuel rods. Strontium, Cesium, Iodine - long-lived isotopes if present - pose a great threat and long-term contamination of the area ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 7 December 2012 20: 33
      +2
      So, for uranium 238U, the half-life is t 1/2 = 4,5 × 109 years. That is why the activity of uranium has not changed noticeably for several years. For radium 226Ra, the half-life is t 1/2 = 1600 years, therefore, the activity of radium is greater than that of uranium. It is clear that the shorter the half-life, the faster the radioactive decay. For different elements, the half-life can vary from millionths of a second to billions of years.

      What a little?
      The sample contains 10 g of the Pu-239 plutonium isotope with a half-life of 24 years.

      Well
      Iodine-131 (iodine-131, 131I), also called a radioiodine (despite the presence of other radioactive isotopes of this element), is a radioactive nuclide of a chemical element of iodine with atomic number 53 and mass number 131. Its half-life is about 8 days
  24. Nik_One
    Nik_One 7 December 2012 19: 02
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    This is a normal blast to test nuclear devices, nothing more.
  25. Rus2012
    Rus2012 7 December 2012 19: 09
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    Quote: alexbg2
    but hydrogen is too massive and dimensional, heavy carriers are needed for it.


    ... and how "massive"? What is the explanation?
    1. Nik_One
      Nik_One 7 December 2012 19: 28
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      why is it suddenly "too massive and oversized" ?!
      modern charges are quite compact
    2. alexbg2
      alexbg2 7 December 2012 22: 55
      +1
      Quote: Rus2012
      ... and how "massive"? What is the explanation?

      How massive I can’t say, but the fact that it’s several times more heavy and heavier than plutonium is accurate.
      In hydrogen, a firing nuclear charge is used to start a thermonuclear reaction, and plus there is a container with a substance for a thermonuclear reaction (based on deuterium and its compounds).
      Here is at least the size of the dimensions of this container thermonuclear bomb and more plutonium.
      But hydrogen can be easily made of high power, and plutonium ones have limitations.
      Most often, the tests exploded charges of 5-20 kt, but there were also 100 kt underground explosions, this is usually at the Balapan site
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 7 December 2012 19: 15
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    What can I say:
    Peacekeepers of yours m ......., led by a Nobel laureate !!!!
  27. sprut
    sprut 7 December 2012 21: 35
    +1
    Shoigu fired Priezheva today! Hooray, comrades!
    1. MG42
      MG42 7 December 2012 21: 49
      +1
      Dismissal is news from just a series of subcritical explosions with the subsequent release of radioactive isotopes. winked : But the chain reaction has not been reached.
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 7 December 2012 23: 27
      +1
      Quote: sprut
      Shoigu fired Priezheva today

      Well, fired, and then what? Home arrest again? When will the Constitution of the Russian Federation begin to work, namely, Article 19? Some questions, when there will be answers, well, I would really like in this life !!!!!!!! am
  28. sergo0000
    sergo0000 7 December 2012 21: 43
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    Or maybe the Pentagon still has its own plans for Iran, than Obama had planned! Yes, and just for intimidation they can explode! what
  29. Rus2012
    Rus2012 8 December 2012 00: 14
    -1
    Quote: alexbg2
    Most often, the tests exploded charges of 5-20 kt, but there were also 100 kt underground explosions, this is usually at the Balapan site


    I see, colleague!
    I mistakenly understood from your message that you want to say that our BBs are heavier than the adversary. According to my data, there is no difference. Or is she miserable. Or the difference by the margin of safety ... And they in this matter neglect the coefficient. reserves, because of this, their warheads are actually destroyed in flight upon entering the atmosphere. They say, therefore, they make test launches only until the end of the active part of the carrier (before turning off the main engines), and after that they undermine the rocket. The official explanation, the trajectory was determined, the point of impact of the warheads was calculated, it was not for the Russians to see the entire flight path. Type assignment completed successfully ... :)
  30. Zabvo
    Zabvo 8 December 2012 05: 17
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    They would have to "throw" RS36M2 there, for an experiment ... And then see what was left of Nevada.
  31. bart74
    bart74 9 December 2012 23: 22
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    Let the amers try. And then we will buy all the info through our agents.
  32. Nechai
    Nechai 10 December 2012 12: 46
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    Quote: Rus2012
    According to my data, a caliber of less than 152mm does not work with us (in the USA-155, external D ammunition).

    Claim the very, most authenticity of your data?
    Source? Pozhalsta - separate tank battalions of the RVGK, on ​​the T-72. Park, technical and storage areas were guarded by units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR. These are signs visible to everyone. Further info - ringing. Even if you have the appropriate sanction, it’s not in the internet to discuss these things.
    ps. By the way, the military does not use the "D", but the caliber, the term is used. In our country, this is the distance between opposite fields of the barrel (in rifled barrels), in the western armies - between opposite rifling. So it turns out like a difference in numbers.
  33. Nechai
    Nechai 10 December 2012 15: 39
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    ps. Yes there is not in the calibers of the actual problem. On the one hand, it is necessary not to exceed safe initial acceleration, and on the other hand, an appropriate initial speed is needed. It’s better to naughty in the distance. Well, at least for the range of safe removal.
    If it weren’t for the catastrophe, then the Motherland equipped its warriors with 100mm unitary special b / supplies.