Americans are hunting for the secrets of "Zircon" even at the bottom of the Barents Sea

Americans are hunting for the secrets of "Zircon" even at the bottom of the Barents Sea

The Americans, extracting the wreckage of the F-35 from the bottom of the South China Sea, proved that they are able to find and raise even very small objects to the surface if they manage to narrow the search area. So it is possible that they will be able to raise the remnants of Russian Zircon missiles from the bottom of the Barents Sea and, perhaps, study the latest Russian hypersonic missiles from the wreckage.

Race for debris

On March 3, 2022, the Americans announced the recovery of the F-35C Lightning II multi-purpose aircraft from the bottom of the South China Sea, many in the Pentagon breathed a sigh of relief. The newest American combat aircraft unexpectedly found itself in a public area, and the Chinese were theoretically also given direct access to it.

Thus began a sort of race to pick up the wreckage first, which the Americans could only use for possible litigation, and the Chinese were given the opportunity to learn about the latest aviation and electronic technologies. On board the lost F-35C were not only technology related to the aircraft itself, but also military, classified communications and data transmission devices, a combat identification system with encryption devices and an on-board computer.

Interestingly, the Americans were in no hurry to raise the wreckage of the F-35. The accident occurred on January 24, 2022, and the DSCV Picasso Special Research Vessel (Search and Deep Sea Vessel) was not dispatched from Okinawa until February 23, 2022. This was a high risk as the aircraft was lost in neutral waters about 300 km to the west.

The Chinese also roughly knew the location of the wreckage, as the accident occurred during an unsuccessful landing aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson. Meanwhile, it is no secret that the Chinese Navy is constantly monitoring the location of American ships.

The authorities in Beijing were aware of the potential area of ​​operation of the American aircraft carrier, especially since after an accident there is always confusion in the methods of movement of the carrier crew and even in the methods of radio communication. The impact of the plane on the deck led to a fire, seven wounded (three of whom had to be taken ashore to a hospital in Manila in the Philippines) and the need to divert planes aboard the second aircraft carrier operating in the region, USS Abraham Lincoln.

The navy was then able to circle around the potential search area and try to find the sunken aircraft, which ended up at a depth of 3 meters.

As a result, the race was won by the Americans, again using a civilian vessel specializing in underwater work. However, US Navy specialists, mainly from the SUPSALV (Supervisor of Salvage and Diving) rescue and diving inspection, boarded the DSCV Picasso, who carried out search work and ensured the safety of the sunken aircraft.

In the end, the American plane was discovered after only a few days of reconnaissance. This means that the technologies for exploration and work at great depths are becoming more and more advanced. After all, this is the second operation of its kind in recent times.

In December 2021, the wreckage of an F-35B Lightning II lost by the Royal Navy in the Mediterranean was discovered. At the same time, they were looking for the plane, fearing not Chinese, but Russian "search and research ships."

In the case of the South China Sea, a ROV (Remotely Operated Vehicle) with a CURV-3 (Cable-controlled Undersea Recovery Vehicle) was used to work at depths greater than 000 m. This is a robot prepared to work at depths up to 21 m. This vehicle requires a large descent and recovery system, as it weighs 6 kg and is relatively large (000 m long, 2 m wide and 900 , 2,44 m high). This launching system, however, does not need to be custom, which means that the CURV-1,52 can be delivered to virtually any vessel equipped with an appropriate capacity crane and working deck.

The CURV-21 can be steered in all six directions underwater and has automatic depth, altitude and heading controls. It is equipped with a CTFM (Continuous Frequency Modulation) sonar for bottom surveillance (with a range of 600 m), an acoustic transponder detection system (so-called pingers), a high-definition digital camera, a black and white camera and a color television camera. The image from these sensors is transmitted to the surface in real time via fiber optic cable.

For underwater work, a special articulated manipulator with a multifunctional grip is used. It was with his help that specialized rigging and ropes were attached to the wreckage of the aircraft, which were then connected to a crane aboard the Picasso on the cargo deck. He is now due to be transported to the United States, where he will be examined for the purposes of the ongoing investigation.

Will the Americans be able to get the wreckage of the Zircon?

The discovery of the wreckage of both F-35s proves that the Americans can find any object underwater if they roughly know its location. This applies not only to NATO weapons systems, but also to Russian and Chinese ones. Theoretically, maritime law does not prohibit this, unless underwater exploration is carried out in the exclusive maritime economic zone of another country.

The Americans, knowing the coordinates of Russian ranges on the high seas, can search them and extract what is there without violating maritime laws. Previously, this was not done openly, as efforts were made not to aggravate relations with the Russian Federation. However, now the situation has changed, and what was previously difficult to do has become possible, especially since the available technologies allow it to be done.

At the bottom of the Barents Sea, in the area of ​​the landfills, there are fragments of Caliber, Onyx and Zircon missiles. Of particular interest to them, of course, is the wreckage of the Zircon cruise missile. In particular, of interest is the physical and chemical composition of the rocket body material - the fuselage and aerodynamic surfaces, thermally loaded elements, and especially the chemical composition of the fuel.

Also of particular interest to them are the remains (wreckage) of the GOS and not only the Zircon - fragments of the antenna web, possibly surviving blocks, parts of the on-board computer, and much more. Knowing the real capabilities of the GOS of our missiles, the Americans can prepare effective countermeasures.

The Americans are well aware of the coordinates of the targets at the range, where they know where to look for missile fragments.

Accurate mapping of the seabed can be carried out by autonomous submersibles equipped with side-scan sonar that can operate autonomously at great depths of up to 100 hours to a depth of 6 m (for example, the Hugin type of the Norwegian company Kongsberg). So no one will know about the search of the bottom, and after finding the rocket, its extraction is only a matter of proper organization. The starting point for such searches can be the Norwegian archipelago of Svalbard, which closes the Barents Sea from the north.

It is necessary, ahead of the Americans, to collect everything, even small fragments of missiles, with the help of deep-sea equipment at the disposal of the Northern and Baltic fleets. The work, of course, is costly and time-consuming, but extremely necessary. Otherwise, big problems cannot be avoided in the future.
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  1. +2
    26 May 2023
    Otherwise, big problems cannot be avoided in the future.
    But it was impossible to hit on land, at the Kuru training ground?
    1. 0
      27 May 2023
      Kura is in Kamchatka, too far away. Our tests were carried out in the White and Barents Seas. We have battlefields there on Chizh and Khalmer-Yu.
      Zircon is a naval missile and, of course, tests were carried out for sea targets.
      1. 0
        28 May 2023
        the plane was lost in neutral waters about 300 km to the west.

        West of what place? Or is it written to be written again?
  2. +7
    26 May 2023
    Do we have something to pick up the wreckage? Could we, purely theoretically, raise the wreckage of the same f3500 from a depth of 35 meters, for example? retrieve debris from the bottom of the Barents Sea.
    1. +6
      26 May 2023
      I will disappoint you, we have something to lift the wreckage of everything and everything from 100 m to 11 meters and all this is mobile, it can be delivered anywhere in Russia for use by specialized ships, we can also lift the Titanic, but in small parts up to 000 tons. UAV crash area explored in the Black Sea, I don’t know why the Turks opened a group of these vessels for several hours, our airborne forces may have worked in this area. It turns out there is not a barn, but a barn, a specialized vessel for deep-sea work, under the Russian flag. And it looks like it is chartered by the Turks with our crew.
      1. +9
        26 May 2023
        I would like to believe that there is something to look for and raise. But I remember the accident with the TU-154 with Dr. Lisa and the Alexandrov ensemble, 10 km from Sochi. They knew exactly the area of ​​impact, but the search for debris and "black boxes" lasted six months, although all the forces of the Black Sea Fleet and the Ministry of Emergency Situations were involved. request
  3. +14
    26 May 2023
    Working in the Barents Sea, I know where all the missile ranges of the Northern Fleet are located (Although not a navigator). There are trawling maps for captains, with forbidden areas. But these areas "sometimes open", since they open, then someone needs it! bully What we just didn’t raise there and where it fell out I won’t say, I can only hint - only a suicide will go there. According to Kura, a lot of information on the Chizh training ground is 0. This is where the Pacific Fleet shoots. Options for the appearance of such a "civilian" vessel as in the article, in this there is no area at all, the ship will be boarded and delivered to a Russian port for study. And the Americans know this, how we do it demonstrated at Greenpeace, how the west howled. But we were purple, they gave it away only after our righteous trial, and when We are tired of the ship in the Kola Bay. Amers will not risk Virginia with an underwater complex in that area, this place and the use of everything that we have is protected by maritime law and the UN. It is worth looking at maps of Russian territorial waters in the north.
    1. +12
      26 May 2023
      Yes, and I’ll add, they never fired anything to the west with the secret Northern Fleet and Aerospace Forces, only to the east into the territorial waters of Russia. There is an enclave in the center of the Barents Sea, outside our economic zone. for there is nothing to do there for fishing vessels of foreign states. How they scrambled from there when rocket and artillery firing was announced. lol
    2. 0
      26 May 2023
      And the Americans know this, how we do it demonstrated at Greenpeace

      Can you tell me where to read in more detail, otherwise I somehow missed it? Thank you in advance!
      1. +8
        26 May 2023
        Boarding of the Prirazlomnaya drilling rig by Greenpeace in 2013, after which they forgot what Russia is. Arrest of the vessel Arctic Sunrise.
    3. +2
      26 May 2023
      It is worth looking at maps of Russian territorial waters in the north.
      In the north of Russia, are they somehow different from other water areas, or is the International Law of the Sea (IMP) with a 12-mile strip from the coast applicable everywhere? I remember when we went out for training missile firing from submarines in the Sea of ​​Japan, we were often accompanied by Japanese "fishing" reconnaissance boats. And the TFR always came out with us, which drove them away from the launch site, preventing them from approaching. But the rocket could fall during an abnormal launch not at the Kourou range, but in international waters, and then whoever finds it first ... Therefore, the entire trajectory was monitored and guarded by surface means. winked
  4. 0
    26 May 2023
    I wonder how the Americans can raise something in our tervods? In general, no one guards our borders, or what?
    1. 0
      26 May 2023
      And who guards them, if big Ukrainians walk around Russia on foot and in tanks. There’s no need to talk about drones. They gasped in the Kremlin.
    2. +4
      26 May 2023
      No one guards our borders, or what?
      What else do we have boundaries? Probably there are on the "globe" in the Kremlin, sometimes some other maps of Tartaria are entered there. laughing
    3. +1
      26 May 2023
      These are no longer territorial waters. Marine polygons outside the borders of the Russian Federation.
    4. 0
      26 May 2023
      In accordance with the law of the Russian Federation, the Russian Navy is responsible for protecting the state border in the underwater environment. And now a rhetorical question: Do we have a continuously functioning FOSS along the entire perimeter of the maritime border?
    5. +2
      26 May 2023
      I wonder how the Americans can raise something in our tervods?
      You don't confuse territorial waters with an economic zone? Or do you remember how the border of the USSR in the Arctic Ocean was drawn - as a dotted line along the meridians from the Kola Peninsula and from the Bering Strait to the North Pole? But even then, these dotted lines did not mean the state border, but only our appetites to own this sector of the Arctic. And territorial waters are just a narrow strip along the coast 12 miles wide. The rest of the maritime space is open for navigation by any ships and ships of foreign states. Typically, marine landfills are located outside the territorial waters. request
  5. +5
    26 May 2023
    Is it too early for the author to sound the alarm? In the Barents Sea, missile tests are carried out in the Novaya Zemlya region at the Pankovo ​​test site, which is located on Russian territory. The Burevestnik was also tested there. The option is not ruled out that for technical reasons the missile may deviate from the course, but for this it is provided for its self-destruction while still in the air. In this case, try to find debris that will be scattered over a large area. This is not an F-35 intact or partially broken when hitting the water to raise.
  6. -1
    26 May 2023
    it looks like a mixture of conspiracy theory and spy novels of the 50s, secrets in the modern world are no longer mined, and there are no secrets (I'm talking about "having no analogues")
  7. +2
    26 May 2023
    When launching Zircon on a real target, in any case, small fragments will remain that can be collected. It turns out that the secrets of Zircon in the field of metallurgy and alloys will exist only until its first combat use?
  8. ada
    26 May 2023
    The article reminded me of the epic with K-129. Project Azorian or similar. Now there are a lot of materials on this topic, but I read the memoirs (or interviews) of the KTOF intelligence chief for a long time, and I was interested in the fact that they themselves somehow received the task of hanging out in the area, it’s not clear why until the reserves were used up.
  9. +9
    26 May 2023
    tralflot1832 (Andrey S.), dear, there are a lot of memories about Chizha. As the unfinished Estonian forest brothers that cut down the forest on the Solza and Marya rivers and lasted, spending the night in the barracks of the Solza Yagrinlag penal camp, UZhD from Molotovsk to the Solza River, they were replaced by a construction battalion. From the Molotovsk-3 station to the Nenoksa station, a standard railway was laid, then, with a width of 1524 mm. How the first Finnish houses appeared at the Nyonoksa station, how the village of Sopka grew up on the shores of the White Sea, which of the scientists and from where came to Molotovsk (Severodvinsk) and Nyonoksa, how workshops for the preparation of KR, SLBM, ZR grew, how and where they built starting positions. And about all the battlefields: Gridino, Ponoy, Novaya Zemlya, Chizha, Norilsk, information is available both on the Internet and in print. How many conscripts passed through Nyonoksa (both sailors, and a construction battalion, air defense missilemen, helicopter pilots), battlefields, measuring points in different regions, districts and territories of the vast USSR, support vessels, surface and underwater ships on which weapons were tested! There is a story about how in the fall of 1998 the Severodvinsk bakery distributed bread on record at the enterprises of Severodvinsk (Thanks to EBN for taking care of the employees of the military-industrial complex and the default!). And at the same time, in Chizhu, the men, on the ship for providing the Polygon, went hunting for wild reindeer, waterfowl and tundra partridges. Even about how the bad communists did not care about people and during test launches all the inhabitants of Sopka and Nenoksa were evacuated each time by train to the Uima station, in contrast to the "social state of the Russian Federation." I'm talking about the "Mysterious" explosion in Nyonoksa "08.08.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX. About the automatic systems for radiation at Sevmash and Zvyozdochka, which sang so that the doses could not believe their eyes when rechecking manually, at the control points of enterprises; about military and civilian meteorologists who were stunned by the readings of the instruments; about the civil defense warning system that was silent in the city (a siren once a quarter, and sometimes more often, howls from loudspeakers that hang throughout the city, a voice message is broadcast), but for some reason the civil defense department of the city administration did not go to court ; about information about the explosion missing from the site of the Severodvinsk City Administration; about the special officers who woke up on August 09, that they began to take away signatures from the military about not disclosing; about smart people and smart girls, that the injured people, instead of TsMSCh-58 of the FMBA of the Russian Federation, where all the warehouses of NZ were opened as in a nuclear accident and people were called to work, for some reason by helicopters to Arkhangelsk to the regional hospital, past Severodvinsk, were taken to doctors who they read something about radiation in books and did not have medicines for it in hospitals; about the pontoons, that the military pulled the pontoons to the mouth of the river Verkhovka and fonil those pontoons, and various garbage thrown ashore by the sea, for several days, not even fenced with red-and-white polyethylene ribbons, the children from Nenoksa crawled along them, the guard around the pontoons was set up after local television and IA "BelomorKanal" gave an Internet report from pontoons with dosimeters in their hands; how the Nenokshans ate everything that grew in the forest and in the gardens, drank milk, fish for some reason, suddenly, in the Dvina Bay of the White Sea it was forbidden to catch, but not in rivers and lakes. Nothing happened!
  10. +1
    26 May 2023
    Quote: K298rtm
    responsible for the Russian Navy

    Even an answering machine can answer. It is necessary to protect the border, and not be responsible for protection. And there seems to be no one to do it. And nothing.
  11. 0
    27 May 2023
    Whether the Americans raise the wreckage of Zircon or not, time will tell.
    But the fact that they, with similar equipment, "Nord Stream" banged, so don't go to the grandmother ...
  12. 0
    27 May 2023
    now the situation has changed
    and attempts to rummage there should be answered with a missile strike.
    1. +2
      28 May 2023
      You may not hit with a rocket, but you must give a torpedo!
  13. +1
    28 May 2023
    The author’s admiration for the capabilities of the US Navy is surprising, meanwhile, the coordinates of sunken self-propelled boats were probably recorded immediately after the disaster, it’s elementary, or just throw an underwater buoy with a transmitter. They have a lot of such good, not like our Navy, which, at one time, even scrapped the entire rescue fleet, just before the accident on the Kursk.

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