Pyrrhic victory at Bakhmut. What's next

Local victory

Bakhmut-Artyomovsk was liberated. State-owned patriots who, for money or out of stupidity, shout that this is a big victory. Success, but local. The city is completely destroyed. The battles for him went on for 224 days!

In other sectors of the front, for example, in Avdeevka and Marinka, there is no progress. That is, even the minimum task - the liberation of Donbass, will be solved at such a pace for more than one year. At the same time, the Russian Donbass and the surrounding areas turn into a Ruin. Zone of social catastrophe. Human and material resources are depleted. The army is morally tired, as the fighters at the front stand without rotation. Positional slaughter leads to the scenario of the First World War, when the people soon got tired of the big blood and the hardships of war, and from jingoistic moods they switched to believing in the “treachery of the empress” and the “fool-king”. This was taken advantage of by the Februaryist conspirators, the then elite, who thought that they could do better than the king, and the most severe Troubles rushed, even more bloody than a big war.

That is, the victory under Bakhmut is pyrrhic. But it could have been more fruitful if, while the Wagner attack aircraft were fighting on the ruins of the city, gaining time, the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation would have really intensively prepared for a strategic offensive in order to liberate Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye. At the first stage. Then the liberation of the entire Left Bank of the Dnieper. And in the future - all of Little Rus'.

And for this we need a real mobilization of the rear and society. Bulk purchase of machine tools, equipment in China. New industrialization. Formation of full-fledged tank and motorized rifle divisions, which will break through the enemy's defenses and enter the operational space and go forward, surrounding (not storming, but only blocking) cities and enemy strongholds. And they will be followed by troops of the second and third echelon - parts of the internal troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, clearing the territory from the Ukronazis.

Thus, Bakhmut became a pyrrhic victory, since the Kremlin does not want a real war. We have a "special operation" to enforce peace. But the enemy is fighting for real.

What's next?

Both sides are playing to prolong the conflict. But with different goals. Moscow actually switched to active defense. Bakhmut was needed for a picture on TV. The Kremlin, after the unexpected failure of the 2022 spring blitzkrieg, decided to wait. Concessions, deals, regroupings, turning a blind eye to all the old red lines, including the Crimean Bridge, Nord Stream, strikes against the strategic aviation, explosions over the Kremlin. All for a big deal. Like, we will exhaust, bleed Kyiv, and there will be a deal.

Moscow gives the initiative to the enemy. In Kyiv and in the West, all this is perfectly seen and understood. Hence the greater impudence of the enemy. Long range missiles. Attacks on the "old" territory of the Russian Federation. Now F-16 fighters. So, you see, it will come to tactical nuclear weapons.

Kyiv, London and Washington will not agree to a deal. After all, the Great Game is on. The Crisis of Capitalism and the Entire Western Project (which has become almost global) must be allowed. Operation Pandemic failed to reset the planet. By building a global digital concentration camp. Therefore, the classic is the world war. War until the last inhabitant of Ukraine, the transformation of Little Rus' into Ruins. Then the Young Europeans will go into battle, the Poles are already heavily armed, pumped up with information. And there are also Romanians, Balts, Finns (they were not in vain driven into NATO). The Germans will be chased after them, if necessary.

Simultaneously intensively preparing the front of the world slaughter in the Asia-Pacific region. There, another China, Taiwan, will act as cannon fodder against China. They also sign Japan, which has its own internal civilizational crisis, which Tokyo also needs to resolve. And South Korea. USA as a detachment.

Therefore, there will be no agreement between Moscow and Kyiv. As an option - short-term, to give the Kremlin hope and strengthen, rearm the Kiev regime. In reality, the war will continue further, and until 2025, and beyond, until all of New and Lesser Rus' is drowned in blood, the Russian Federation is not bled dry. Until they force the "elites" of the Russian Federation, which are almost entirely and initially pro-Western (upbringing, culture, way of thinking, worldview, family and capital), to take the path of the scenario of 1917 or 1991. Take advantage of the fatigue of a society that is used to consuming and enjoying life. As a result, the masters of the West will continue to gradually put pressure on the Russian Federation, the traditional Anglo-Saxon "anaconda" strategy. Based on internal turmoil, split and victory of the new "young reformers".

Which exit? Don't play other people's games. "Motherland is calling!" A clear setting of goals and objectives: the liberation of the entire Russian land from Western and Nazi evil spirits. The reunification of a single Russian superethnos (Russian-Great Russians and Russian-Little Russians). The buildup of the armed forces. New waves of mobilization for the purpose of changing and rotating tired, bloodless formations and units. The solution to the personnel issue in the Armed Forces is the replacement of personnel who failed the 2022-winter-spring 2023 campaign. Militarization of the economy and society. New industrialization. Revision of the results of privatization, nationalization of strategic industries and enterprises.

Sooner or later people will have to say that this is all for a long time. Odessa, Kyiv and Lvov will have to be liberated, and the entire collective West will be forced to peace. It's only begining. Otherwise, we read “Essays on Russian Troubles” by A. Denikin, and others historical materials on this topic.

As the Russian historian V. Klyuchevsky noted:

"History is not a teacher, but an overseer: it does not teach anything, but only punishes for ignorance of the lessons."

Comments

[Uncle lee]

What's next

We are on the eve of a grand nix!

[My address]

What's the joke here? There is a war, and Peskov, on behalf of the Kremlin, "expresses concern" I see the only shift at the top - they stopped threatening "red lines", it came to everyone laughing at them.

[parusnik]

stopped threatening with "red lines"

Yes, because, behind these lines, there is nothing real. Threats are at the level, and whoever does not take it, we will turn off the gas and that's it.

[guest]

Quote: parusnik

turn off the gas and that's it.

So at least they did it.

[ramzay21]

About sang White Guard songs! Better a terrible end than horror without end! He hopes that the cowardly and greedy "tsar" will suddenly turn into Stalin at one moment, this is even more idiocy. As in 1917, it is already obvious that the current leadership of the country and the entire rotten elite are unable to decide anything, they cannot and do not want to do anything.
The year 1917, like 1905, happened because of the really foolish tsar and because of the rotten elite, and also because of the hopelessly obsolescence of the feudal system of the state compared to the capitalist system.
The stubborn imposition of the oligarchic-bureaucratic system in our country has led to the degradation of both the economy and the army and the entire system of government. Non-specialists did not notice the degradation of the economy because oil and gas revenues grew almost tenfold, and non-specialists did not notice the degradation of the army behind the tinsel of parades, window dressing and sluggish victories over weak armies and gangs. And if the degradation of the army is already noticeable to many as a result of the NMD, then the understanding of the degradation of the economy and public administration will come unexpectedly and quickly, and nothing can be done.
Unfortunately, the only association of the present time with our history is the events of 1917, although even then the elites and the tsar at least wanted to win and at least did something for this, at least the richest people of the Republic of Ingushetia supported our army and did not help our most frostbitten enemies and did not live in enemy states. In December 1916, no one imagined that in three months the country would change, and in a year it would be a completely different country.

[bayard]

Quote: ramzay21

Unfortunately, the only association of the present time with our history is the events of 1917, although even then the elites and the tsar at least wanted to win and at least did something for this, at least the richest people

So Prigozhin sang about the same thing - about the coming revolution ... more precisely, about the civil war. And not at all according to the scenario of 1917. Then at least there was one party that took the initiative.
And now all the initiators are like this ... with voLoch ...
And the only saving "revolution from the top" about the need for which the patriots have been talking for so long ... did not happen.
It's a pity .

[resident_again]

Here is Prigogine about the same sang

You seem to have confused the Prigogines. That, which sings , about the coming revolution, he won’t be able to connect two lines. For this topic is not his .. But the one that говорил about the coming revolution, he does not sing. He does the job.

[Reklastik]

at least the richest people of the Republic of Ingushetia supported our army and did not help our most frostbitten enemies and did not live in enemy states.

- yah? and, in my opinion, the then richest industrialists sold weapons to the army at exorbitant prices and profited from the war. The point is that they lived at home.

In December 1916, no one imagined that in three months the country would change, and in a year it would be a completely different country.

- Yes, sure. The highest dignitaries of the state in diaries and letters directly described the degradation of power. Everything is fine, if they didn’t understand, then they felt with their fifth point that everything would soon burst.

[Leontrotsky]

Oh how))) it means again a revolution and the Brest Lithuanian peace?)) Then in 1918 Russia gave the victory and what did it get in return, recall?))) For this, my dear, it would not hurt to put you up against the wall, because this is exactly what the Anglo-Saxons need to.

[Rage66]

A lover of speaking in slogans, what have you done? I foresee the question... I didn't do anything either... But I'm not yelling here, sitting on the couch. You call - I'll pull up.

[carpenter]

Quote: My address

What's the joke here? There is a war, and Peskov, on behalf of the Kremlin, "expresses concern" I see the only shift at the top - they stopped threatening with "red lines"

You just need to fight, with the enemy external and internal, the war has been going on for 9 years. And these 9 years, everything lasts "1941", when neither the country's leadership nor the army could repulse the enemy.

[Mari33]

Quote: carpenter

You just need to fight, with an external and internal enemy, ......... neither the country's leadership nor the army could repulse the enemy.

I wonder who is the internal enemy and who will fight with him? If the leadership of the country is not an enemy, then why is it behaving like an enemy, acting in the interests of an internal (and sometimes external) enemy? And if the leadership is the enemy, then who will fight with it?

[AAK]

The main criteria for a competent leader are the ability to analyze, choose priorities, choose the right assistants and delegate authority to them, as well as the will to go through with the implementation of the decisions made. Alas, in 20 years the heroic "washer" has transformed into a narrow-minded, deceived and weak-willed "Uncle Leopold" for enemies, completely ignoring the needs and aspirations of his people in favor of a handful of "homies" and "rich Pinocchio", who previously tried to make his country raw material appendage of Europe, and now China

[sanya_sergant]

You probably haven't heard that Putin is trusted by 80,1 percent of Russians. Showed the poll VTsIOM.
Where the survey was conducted, the truth is not specified ... they speak on the phone.
So the result of the presidential elections in 2025 is not difficult to predict. "FOR" - 80%
A crushing victory in the first round. Everyone congratulates.

[Raven 95]

- Ivan Ivanych, living at the address .... Major Petrov. Do you approve of the domestic and foreign policy of the President?
--

[Leontrotsky]

Why not? Or are you asking me to pick you?

[kor1vet1974]

You just need to fight, with the enemy external and internal

Who is the inner enemy? As under the king: Jews, socialists and students? Or someone else? For example, here just now they came up with a "restaurant" tax, so that people would go less to restaurants and cafes, nightclubs, and more to libraries, probably, well, or to theaters, a circus, where they are kanesh, cinemas on Cheburashka and Challenge. This tax, invented for the people? And who came up with? Enemies or friends?

[vova1910]

Quote: kor1vet1974

the Jews

Is it friends?

[woodcutter]

Try not to think that your enemy is people of some nationality.

[resident_again]

Was this tax invented for the people? And who came up with? Enemies or friends? laughing

Definitely friends. If you have a surplus, share it with the army. It is not possible to reach through the head or heart, it will reach through the stomach.

[man]

here just now they came up with a "restaurant" tax, so that people would go less to restaurants and cafes, nightclubs, and probably more to libraries
It takes a very rich imagination to imagine clubbers in libraries.

[AdAstra]

Our, or rather their "red lines" have already become a meme and are on a par with "such and such a Chinese warning."

[kor1vet1974]

Yeah, this is our last Chinese warning, if you step over another red line

[parusnik]

Yeah, a year ago, you would have been mixed with minuses for such words.

[dmi.pris1]

Everything flows, everything changes. If a year ago there was some kind of confidence in achieving "demilitarization and denazification." Now we don’t even remember about it

[krops777]

Everything flows, everything changes. If a year ago there was some confidence in achieving "demilitarization and denazification."

Well, as it were, more than 500 thousand have already been denazified and graved, and how many fled to Europe out of fear cannot be counted at all, the air has definitely become cleaner, there is a systematic decrease in the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to an acceptable level on the line of contact, and this level is not far off, what would happen later attack with fewer losses.

[Goto]

There already other Europeans will catch up. And the longer, the more.

[Bolt cutter]

There already other Europeans will catch up.

To pull up Europeans to lace up their boots to Ukraine, when poor refugees in their cities drink beer at their expense? Will not work.

[NickShel]

What do you use that your imagination is so rushing, if not a secret? I want it too)

[cast iron]

Why only 500 thousand? Why not just 1 million? You are great at imagining things! Continue in the same spirit! :) But in fact, Prigozhin in a recent interview said that 20 PMC fighters died in the battles for Artemovsk. FOR ONE CITY! In September last year, Shoigu announced the figure of almost 000 dead! After that another 6000 months passed. How many more Russian men were buried? You do not feel sorry for ours at all? From the couch, it’s probably cool to talk and invent strategies?

[woodcutter]

I noticed that people who support military operations rarely participate in them. They prefer someone else to do it.

[cast iron]

And so it is. Couch pre-pensioners in the evening over a mug of beer together "fight" in Ukraine and unanimously sing the praises of the oligarch Prigogine, believe with a sincere faith in the great and brilliant Putin. And in the next elections to the State Duma, half of these same "heroes" will vote for the EdRo party of oligarchs, and the other half will lie on the couch and whine "that nothing can be changed in Russia." Meanwhile, more than 26 Russian/Russian soldiers and officers have already laid down their lives in Ukraine. And there is no end in sight yet. Let me remind you that in the Vietnam War, the United States lost from 000 to 12 thousand killed in 40 years, according to various estimates. And we have already lost 60 DEAD IN ONE YEAR. It's to hell!

[Cicerist98]

@cast iron: "Let me remind you that in the Vietnam War, the United States lost from 12 to 40 thousand killed in 60 years, according to various estimates."

Your numbers here are nonsense. In the Vietnam War, the United States lost 58022 killed (plus nearly HALF A MILLION wounded), NOT "12 to 40 thousand killed", in a little over 10 years of active hostilities, NOT "60 years"!

In order to write such an egregious falsehood, you must be either a paid pro-Western propagandist troll; or the type of ignorant, brainwashed, blindly US-worshipping Russian fool that seems to be quite common nowadays.

[cast iron]

You mistranslated my text. I wrote that the United States lost from 40 to 60 thousand dead in 12 years of war. I took this information from Wikipedia. Translate more carefully.

[woodcutter]

It's not exactly the opposite. Before the invasion, the numbers of the APU were much lower. And before the capture of the Crimea and the Donbas events, the combat effectiveness of the APU was generally near zero

[zloybond]

Our demilitarization of Ukraine has brought Ukraine to general militarization, consolidation against Russia. The army of Ukraine has increased many times over. More weapons were brought in.
The fuse of the cheer-commanders was gone. Ideas also seem to have run out.
They did not bother to equip the Terodefense for several months.
But everything is positive. On TV, half the country participates in the show.
The guarantor somehow withdrew.
Well, the Moscow Region is watching Wagner fight.
Catch up with so many people, and ???? What's next???
The drone hit the Kremlin - Volodin betrayed - They attacked Russia. But since they didn’t break anything, everyone calmed down and again: grain deals, summits, meetings, concerts, loving the hands of traitors .....
Do you want to know where we are going? Are we going somewhere or are we waiting for a deal????

[Grits]

Quote: zloybond

Do you want to know where we are going?

I don’t know where we are all going, but I’m sure where our president and commander-in-chief are going - a straight road along the path of Nicholas 2. It seems that he was a smart grandmaster, he calculated all the moves. But he got old, became cowardly, lost his grip. And he doesn’t even understand that he is digging a hole for himself with his inaction, toothless and frank political impotence. And no one of his entourage can whisper the truth to him, they say, wake up. Vova, we are on the edge of the abyss. Everyone is afraid and only reports in the spirit - everything is fine, beautiful marquise.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: parusnik

Yeah, a year ago, you would have been mixed with minuses for such words.

You are right, I would have minus myself .. And now "red line," regrouping "," goodwill gesture "," grain deal "something like a curse ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 30 vis

"grain deal"

Interestingly, our leaders do not walk at all? By all signs, I expect a drought in Russia. I have never seen so many May beetles in my life. And they sell grain. On the contrary, I would hold back.

[vova1910]

Quote: parusnik

Yeah, a year ago, you would have been mixed with minuses for such words

And if in 2010 everyone would go to Bolotnaya, then today's p .. would not be

[Leontrotsky]

Yeah ... and there would be Alyoshka Navalny))) and 90 would seem like paradise)))

[cast iron]

What a ridiculous thought! Leshka Navalny would have fixed everything! We all "believe" in it :)

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Uncle Lee

What's next

We are on the eve of a grand nix!

Expand your thought further.
What will it be ... a revolution, a counter-revolution, a rebellion of the elite, a rebellion of the people, an offensive, a counter-offensive, or as it sometimes happens, the sudden death of a leader of a state participating in a conflict, etc.
Shukher is a multidimensional concept.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Expand your thought

I can’t say anything specifically ... An internal foreboding of great misfortune and cataclysms, like Soviet people at 41.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from Uncle Lee

An inner premonition of great misfortune and cataclysms, like Soviet people at 41.

Agree . There is such a feeling of great misfortune ... Yesterday I thought about it. You phrased it right...

[paul3390]

revolution, counter-revolution, rebellion of the elite, rebellion of the people, offensive, counter-offensive, or as it sometimes happens, the sudden death of a leader of a state participating in the conflict

IMHO - a grandiose nixer just implies the onset of all of the listed events at the same time ..

[Uncle lee]

Quote: paul3390

all of the above events occur at the same time.

Not many people think about it....

[paul3390]

And it is necessary. So that even an epic storm - in the end, will benefit the country and the people. As in 1917 .. It is better to prepare for something like this in advance .. Ilyich and the Bolsheviks are an example for us. Otherwise - everything really can end very sadly ..

"And what do you intend to do?" Rumata asked, lowering his eyes.

- As usual. I know what the Holy Order is: in less than a year, the people of Arkanar will climb out of their cracks with axes to fight in the streets. And I will lead them so that they beat those who need it, and not each other and everyone in a row.

[Wer best do]

We still have Ilyich, though he is in prison. And his faithful cow parsnip in exile are discussing how many parts Russia should be divided after the victory of the geyvolutionary forces.
And if modern Ilyich is given power, he will sign such a peaceful agreement that against his background even the Brest-Litovsk disgrace will not look too obscene.

[Essex62]

Once again. The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk made it possible not to lose the country, to complete the liquidation of discord and devastation. Lead industrialization in 10 years, win the Second World War and build a world based on the principles of justice.
Calling the agent of the Masons the new "Ilyich" is more than bold. Paranoia is my friend. You should see a psychiatrist.

[Leontrotsky]

So, if Ilyich did not exist, there would be no Brest-Litovsk peace, for the victory was almost in the pocket. And what did they get as a result of the revolutionary change of power? Destruction and Graedan war? Ptsst revolution in America usraivayut, and we'll see. Already ate it, as they say, eat it yourself))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Leontrotsky

Destruction and Graedan war?

Are we currently in a civil war? We have been fighting on the territory of the USSR for thirty years. Now Chechnya, then Georgia, then Ukraine ... Already tired. In the meantime, it is America that suits us with revolutions.

[Essex62]

The completely false message that without Ilyich VOSR would not have taken place, the victory of the Russian bourgeoisie would have been in BB1 in my pocket. The revolution was inevitable. Although its huge role in creating a theoretical base and practical implementation, rigidly and consistently, cannot be overestimated. He fulfilled the task of the first stage superbly, then Stalin picked up the baton and practically, together with the Soviet people, created a society for people. Where is the huckster at the lowest level, because the benefits from it are minimal, but there is a lot of harm.
As for the Civil War, so its propertied classes began, no matter how Ilyich. The Soviet government would have avoided it with great joy. Accept it, be like everyone else, forgetting the damned past - live. Went against it - a bullet. How else?

[Repellent]

Quote: Essex62

As for the Civil War, so its propertied classes began, no matter how Ilyich. The Soviet government would have avoided it with great joy. Accept it, be like everyone else, forgetting the damned past - live

Martians will come to your house tomorrow and say: "We are organizing a new life here. Happy. In the meantime, take off your pants." And what will you answer them, tribune?

[Bolt cutter]

And what will you answer them, tribune?

And what will you answer this question to these same Martians with tranculators at the ready ?

[Repellent]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And what will you answer them, tribune?

And what will you answer this question to these same Martians with tranculators at the ready ?

Are you Jewish?

This is for you, not the Martians.

[Essex62]

You take off your pants, opportunist. Yes, you did just that, in 91-93 you didn’t even meow. And I suppose he was a member of the party, an anti-intelligent? No? And I'll just give a green one in my mug, for my pants.
And don't be smart here. A sickly analogy, it doesn't work.
You can bow to a just cause, despite the blue blood. So many did.
The bloodsuckers twitched to save their pants, they got it in full. The cause of the working class is right. Fat dot.

[Repellent]

Quote: Essex62

You take off your pants, opportunist. Yes, you did just that, in 91-93 you didn’t even meow. And I suppose he was a member of the party, an anti-intelligent? No?

Whoa... I'm not a Martian

Quote: Essex62

I'm just going to give a green mug, for my pants

Vooot. Right.

So after all, those whom you accuse of unleashing the Civil War did the same. Dali, in a green mug.

Quote: Essex62

As far as GW is concerned her propertied classes began, no matter how Ilyich ... Accept it (Soviet power), be like everyone else, forgetting the damned past, live. Went against - bullet

And at the same time, your “rotten intelligentsia” is again to blame for everything, and not your Martian comrades-in-arms.

It's weird how it all works out.

[Essex62]

I have everything right. The proletariat is always right, the rest is not essential. I chewed on you, knowing in advance your answer. For others, "guilty" I, do not blame me, am not responsible. They sat on the priest, when it was necessary in the face, without pants and remained.
And the rotten anti-intelligentsia, coupled with hucksters of all stripes, is always to blame. This is an axiom.

[Repellent]

Quote: Essex62

The proletariat is always right, the rest is not essential

You are talking about yourself, right?

Quote: Essex62

And the rotten anti-intelligentsia, coupled with hucksters of all stripes, is always to blame. It's an axiom

Well, obviously. I trudge with modern communists.

However, the ones I found weren't much better. And those that were much better - I did not find. Sadness.

[Fedot]

For a long time they, in America, did not have a civil war.

[cast iron]

What is the victory "in the pocket"? Have you ever read a school history textbook? Or already forgotten? Sclerosis? What followed after the Brusilov breakthrough? Do not remind?

[Mol_18]

Shukher is a multidimensional concept

It is only worth remembering that in any cataclysm, and in any revolution and selling state policies, the government of this state is always to blame for the head of state.

[guest]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Quote: Uncle Lee

What's next

We are on the eve of a grand nix!

Expand your thought further.
What will it be ... a revolution, a counter-revolution, a rebellion of the elite, a rebellion of the people, an offensive, a counter-offensive, or as it sometimes happens, the sudden death of a leader of a state participating in a conflict, etc.
Shukher is a multidimensional concept.

That's the whole intrigue, something from this will happen somewhere, the world is big.

[224VP_MO_RF]

there will be no revolution for sure, because there is no guiding and guiding force, and also there is no awareness by the working people of their class interests. All other options are more than real and, unfortunately, are associated with a general collapse ......

[Leontrotsky]

And what happened in the 90s, may I ask? Rrotsvetanik, did I understand correctly?))

[Akuzenka]

What will it be ... a revolution, a counter-revolution, a rebellion of the elite, a rebellion of the people, an offensive, a counter-offensive, or as it sometimes happens, the sudden death of a leader of a state participating in a conflict, etc.

Everything is clear here. The Russian Federation will be handed over for "salvation". The main thing is to bring panic in the minds of those holding power to high levels, then show the "exit" and they will joyfully rush there. Not for the first time. And not in the first country. The technique has been worked out. Read the chronology of how the February Revolution of 1917 was done. She had been preparing for a long time. To be honest, I see almost all the same signs. The surnames are different, the "allies" are different, however, the "friends" manage to induce panic themselves. But the principle is the same. Consolidation of society is impossible, because in this case, it should come "from above", because "below" there are no leaders capable of uniting the society, tk. someone was taken out, others were reforged into guards. And "from above" they will never part with "righteously acquired" for consolidation, because they also need to invest in it, and they are not going to lose warm places. Personally, I see no way out. Freezing this state only exacerbates all the contradictions.

[Thrifty]

At least someone on the site decided to say what many people think about - what will happen next with such an active passivity of the president, sorry for the pun! Russia has long understood that once the war has begun and no matter what it is called, you need to move forward, carry out the assigned tasks. And the authorities are already one-tenth of the way tired, because they are used to measuring everything in dollars and believing "partners"! Here they come! games and bargaining, how to achieve at least half of the goals.

[seacap]

It has been going on for a long time, but the "gifted" living in a different paradigm, in a different environment from the country, did not understand this. And what is it, the sky is blue, the capital's parties are "spinning", the loot is pouring in, summer is in the yard. People who got into the corridors of power by chance, because. personnel policy is on the verge of idiocy based on nepotism, personal loyalty and crime, and not on the basis of moral, business and professional qualities, real experience and achievements, who throughout their conscious working life were engaged in making a profit from these territories and these people, selling off all the achievements of the once great and the power destroyed by them, when they themselves created an inherited estate society, without social elevators and a different habitat, with their own moral principles. in their old age, all of a sudden, for no apparent reason, they cannot change their mentality and worldview, take care of the development and protection of the country, which, as it turned out, they seem to be in charge.

[TiRex]

we are almost there
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[brondulyak]

How many provocateurs from tsipso came running, as if they showed lard, or fried sausage

[72jora72]

And for this we need a real mobilization of the rear and society.

To begin with, we will send Comrade Samsonov to the front (as they say, start mobilization with yourself .....)

[Bingo]

Here - it does less harm))) I'm against it

[Repellent]

Quote from Bingo

Here - it does less harm))) I'm against it

He won't live there for long. The title of an article in Pravda 1943: "Pyrrhic victory at Kursk" can you imagine? I'm not here...

Quote from Bingo

I'm against

I am for.

[kor1vet1974]

"Pyrrhic victory near Kursk" can you imagine? I'm not here.

Those. in your opinion, is the capture of Artemovsk a radical change in the NWO? Will the IED run to the Dnieper? Surrender Kherson and Odessa, Zaporozhye, Kharkov?

[builder]

This is not a radical change, of course, but it is a confident local victory on a separate sector of the front, which showed that our soldiers can win significant victories, despite any enemy resistance. It gives confidence that our Red Army will succeed. And there will be a full-fledged offensive, after the counter-offensive of the ukrov, to which, according to anyone, their impudent Saxons will be sent in the near future.

[woodcutter]

The victory is not significant and we unfortunately do not have a red army yet

[Leontrotsky]

No. But the way to Odessa, Kyiv and Kherson lies, including through Artemovsk

[Bingo]

Quote: Repellent

The title of an article in Pravda 1943: "Pyrrhic victory at Kursk" can you imagine?

Nearby there is an analogue of the article "Comrade Stalin leaked everything, or why the border with the Japanese militarists is not locked"
Well, there were a lot of provocations in the Second World War, and it started - to immediately distribute weapons to the Far Eastern militia, remove everyone from near Moscow and send them to the Far East, then the front, and there the civilian population is not happy how they will react to this in the elections of the Secretary General. ..

[parusnik]

intensively prepared for a strategic offensive with the aim of liberating Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye.

Along gas pipelines, oil pipelines, ammonia pipelines, they do not fight. God forbid, there will be damage. This is a violation of contracts.

Revision of the results of privatization, nationalization of strategic industries and enterprises.

Uh-huh, the Russian bourgeoisie, which is in power, will arrange an experienced attraction of generosity?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: parusnik

Along the road, gas pipelines, oil pipelines, ammonia pipelines, do not fight. God forbid, there will be damage. This is a violation of contracts.

Revision of the results of privatization, nationalization of strategic industries and enterprises.

Uh-huh, the Russian bourgeoisie, which is in power, will arrange an experienced attraction of generosity?

You express bad thoughts ... you affect the selfish interests of Erdogan, Zelensky, Biden, Borrell, the head and secretariat of the UN and, of course, our stakeholders ... I will not name their names.
The bill goes to billions and billions of dollars ... for them, both you and me will have their necks twisted.
We are expendable for them.

[tsvetahaki]

The first half of the article is a realist ... The second is not even an optimist ... You need this, you need that ... With a full understanding that neither this nor that is being done and is not going to be done. Including the scenario of 1917 - that is, the well-paid National Guard and PMCs of the oligarchs.
I remember that just before perestroika there was a joke "... don't make a wave" - ​​very similar ...

[Nikolay Malyugin]

The government itself was engaged in breaking the Soviet system. It was necessary to bring the people to anger against the Soviet system. For this, food cards were artificially introduced at a time when wagons with food were at the crossings. Tobacco factories stopped. But the attitude towards the people has not changed. We are also being manipulated. And the main thing in this matter is to create and catch up as much fear as possible. Let the people argue which of them is more patriotic. Maybe it will come to a stabbing, it’s not so scary. if a good fellow had not appeared with a peppy song and a clear look. One root word "Optimism" and "Optimization" have such a different meaning.

[Leontrotsky]

And where the people are not manipulated, may I ask?)

[paul3390]

Then the liberation of the entire Left Bank of the Dnieper. And in the future - all of Little Rus'.

I have a question for the author - release from whom? For, as the events of recent years show, a very significant part of the inhabitants of those regions, if they do not share the Bandera ideology, then at least do not consider it completely unacceptable for themselves. And even the ethnically Russian population - somehow does not particularly strive for reunification with mother Russia .. What honestly strikes to the core - to fight for those who consider you subhuman??? Why this is so is a separate conversation, but what is it proposed to do with this? How to free Little Rus' from such characters? Well, we went out and put on the line of the Dnieper - what's next? It is necessary to clean up the territory from the carriers of Ukrainianism as such - are our non-current authorities capable of this? And you will have to clean it up according to the hard version, because according to the soft one - we already tried it under Khrushchev ..

The recipe is generally quite simple. And it consists of two items. No pity for those who have shown themselves to be the enemy. They shouldn't be there. At all. If you want - deport, if you want - shoot, this is a technical issue. And - it is necessary to clearly show the rest of the people that in Russia they will be significantly BETTER than in Ukraine. It would also be nice to give confidence that Ukrainians will never return to these lands again.. In any form.

So - to be honest, I strongly doubt the fundamental possibility of our liberal government to fulfill these points. And without that...

[rotmistr60]

Quote: paul3390

a significant part of the inhabitants of those regions, if they do not share the Bandera ideology, then at least do not consider it completely unacceptable for themselves.

I agree with you. It is time for many in our country to discard the idea that most of Ukraine is waiting for our arrival and loves Russia. Already two generations of this country have been brought up in the spirit of hatred and anger towards Russia, they rely on the history of a 300-year-old struggle against our country, invented by the Ukrainian authorities, and the fighting has reshaped part of the older generation under nationalist patterns. Therefore, even after the liberation of the regions, a huge amount of work remains to be done to eradicate and destroy the Bandera underground.

[haron]

Quote: paul3390

And even the ethnically Russian population - somehow does not particularly strive for reunification with mother Russia .. What, if honestly, strikes to the core - to fight for those who consider you subhuman??? Why this is so is a separate conversation, but what is it proposed to do with this?

Logical.
That is, the majority of the population of Ukraine does not want to "liberate themselves" or wants to live as they lived before.
The question is why do you need it? Why occupy their territory and then kill, put in camps, purge local residents? What is this for?

Quote: paul3390

The recipe is generally quite simple. And it consists of two items. No pity for those who have shown themselves to be the enemy. They shouldn't be there. At all. If you want - deport, if you want - shoot, this is a technical issue.

Do you know what it's called? So that I don’t write common truths (banned in the Russian Federation) here, think for yourself in the dark.

[paul3390]

The question is why do you need it?

Because these same characters chose to destroy us with their fixed idea. Somehow I would not like to meekly look at it. Moskalyaku on Gilyak - have you forgotten?

Do you know what it's called?

I know. But - they are not embarrassed and never embarrassed by such actions in relation to us? And what are we to do? I'll be happy to hear your options.

[haron]

Quote: paul3390

Because these same characters chose to destroy us with their fixed idea.

Even during the war on their territory, being stuffed with Western weapons, numbering under a million troops, they enter the Russian Federation secretly, in small groups.
What kind of destruction of Russia could we talk about a year ago? With an army of 300 thousand and weapons for a month of fighting?

Quote: paul3390

. But - they are not embarrassed and never embarrassed by such actions in relation to us?

What actions?
In Ukraine, concentration camps were built for Russians until 2014, were Russians killed in batches for their language?
Just don’t say what would happen, if only in Donetsk and Luhansk. In Kharkov, nothing was done with the same initial ones.
I will tell you so.
The number of idiots per square kilometer in any country is the same. But in one country their cries are taken as nonsense, and in another as a call to action.

[paul3390]

This is only because they cannot enter in large numbers, because they are connected in other places. Or do you doubt that sooner or later they would have rushed to the Crimea? Is he not Russia for you?

Well - and what if it were not for the NWO in Tsegabonia there would already be NATO bases and other delights? Is this not a threat to you?

Aaaaa ... That is - you do not see anything terrible in the behavior of Bandera over the past, say, 10 years? Well - then it is of course yes, we are the aggressors and they are white and fluffy unfortunate victims .. What is there ..



The gray-haired old woman who survived either Auschwitz or Majdanek nodded her head politely, and then smiled bitterly and said that this was all right of course, but the main conclusion should be completely different.

REMEMBER FOREVER, she said, - that if anyone anywhere promises to kill you - TRUST THEM. Do not argue like we did then, before the Holocaust, that this is their policy, and they themselves are good and nice people, that they just say it like that. When they move from words to deeds, IT WILL BE LATE. Believe those who promise to kill you. And, if you have the strength, take up arms and kill them first to protect yourself and your families, if not, grab the children that you can take and run away from there, but just don’t talk about what they say bad, but think good.

[haron]

Quote: paul3390

- and the fact that if it were not for the NWO in Tsegabonia there would already be NATO bases and other delights? Is this not a threat to you?

I don’t know how it would have happened if 2014 had not happened, in any case, more than half of Ukraine was against NATO.
But now I am 99% sure that 90% of Ukrainians are for the deployment of such bases and for joining NATO.

Quote: paul3390

.. That is - you do not see anything wrong with the behavior of Bandera over the past, say, 10 years

Until 2014, I don’t know anything about Bandera, except for the screams of some idiots like Tyagnibok at people.

[paul3390]

in any case, more than half of Ukraine was against NATO.

Don't be ridiculous - you might think someone would ask them ..

[MajorBlack39]

But the Ukronazis have not been shy about the Russian Federation since the 90s. Then in 2008, at the state level, Tsevropa did not hesitate to supply air defense systems to Georgia along with calculations, and during the 5-day war itself, at the military-diplomatic level, actively interfered with the actions of the Black Sea Fleet. As for the Maidan jumps, it was a clear threat to the Russian-cultural population on both sides of the border, because By 2014, the Nazi gangs, fed by Ukrainian oligarchs, took a serious step forward, turning from pocket "armies" into an independent player, united on the basis of the ideology of Svidomism. There is probably no need to explain the attitude of the neo-Banderites towards Russia. And the moment that you personally "did not hear" until 2014 is not an argument at all. Since 1991, Ukraine has been progressively moving step by step towards an armed conflict with the Russian Federation.

[Russian_Ninja]

New countries have already joined NATO after the NWO - why is this fact not so scary? Or are they not so scary and do not glorify Nazi collaborators?

Yes, the issue with Ukraine and their attitude towards Russia had to be resolved somehow, but in a different way. In my mind war is the last move

[MajorBlack39]

So 8 years from Minsk-1 and tried to "solve something." In my opinion, a long enough period for non-military methods. Ukronazism on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR has long since become a decisive domestic political factor from the ideas of rural lunatics. What is Poroshenko’s shoes changed in one day on the issue of the “economic blockade of Donbass”, or the epic play #yaneloh performed by Zelensky. And these, for a second, are presidents.

[Bolt cutter]

The number of idiots per square kilometer in any country is the same

I talked quite a lot with Ukrainians - every second was inadequate. Moreover, it was the uneducated “seluks” who most often thought soberly, even when they were drunk on a permanent basis.

[MajorBlack39]

I'm a plus. History shows that all the attempts of the communists to support and cultivate the national intelligentsia only turned sideways. These efforts were worthy of a better application, for example, complete cultural assimilation on 1/6 of the land.

[haron]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

I talked quite a lot with Ukrainians-

Yah?! And the British do not seem to you NOT adequate?

Quote: Bolt Cutter

"Selyuks" just most often thought soberly, even when drunk on an ongoing basis.

I'm afraid to ask. Do you belong to the circle of educated Ukrainians in London?

[Russian_Ninja]

“But - they are not embarrassed and never embarrassed by such actions towards us?”

You know, with such phrases, a phrase from the movie “Father of a Soldier” always comes to mind:
- They did it! Are you a fascist, right? Go here! Here is a German boy, go shoot!
- You will say too ... What am I, a fascist, or something ...

That's why the USSR and the liberator - he did not take revenge and he did not identify ordinary citizens with the Nazis and Nazis. Yes, you can blame him for this, that “it comes around”, but I won’t, because this act of the country causes admiration for me

[MajorBlack39]

So you can argue, being confident in the victorious outcome of the war, and ideally - after the victory. At the moment, there is us, there is an enemy and the relative balance of the scales. And the enemy is the enemy in any guise and incarnation. If you don't kill, they will kill you.

[72jora72]

Why occupy their territory

There is no " their territories ", you see, no. There is a part of our Country on which a hotbed of ghouls has formed (why we let this happen is a separate topic)

[Hypertension]

Quote: 72jora72

There is no " their territories "You see, no.

From the fig? People have lived in these areas for generations. Now they consider them their homeland. EMNIP, in the year 2007, even Solovyov said that he could not even think about a war with Ukraine.
In general, your rhetoric is strikingly reminiscent of the Ost plan, authored by a notorious artist.
Stunned how quickly the "liberators from the Nazi regime" changed their shoes into "invaders of the living (historical) space" and "supporters of total war."
Why do we respect the choice of Crimean residents, but not the choice of Ukrainians?

[kor1vet1974]

Solovyov said that he could not even think about a war with Ukraine

And he said about Crimea that we don’t need Crimea, except for a war with Ukraine, it won’t give anything. Moreover, all this was convincing until 2014.

[MajorBlack39]

Well, sign up for Akhidzhakova's sect (forgive us, Ukrainians) or for the circle of "new thinking" named after Mikhail Sergeevich. Only when you repent, do not forget that the appetites of the Ukronazis are much wider than the boundaries of 2013, and your existence on this planet was never included in their plans.

[woodcutter]

Indeed, in the country where I was born there was no border between Russia and Ukraine. But my state was Soviet and socialist. That was the unifying factor. And erasing the cities of Ukraine to dust does not contribute to unification.

[Hypertension]

Quote: paul3390

And even the ethnically Russian population somehow does not particularly strive for reunification with Mother Russia ..

Maybe because Russia in relation to the Russians is not a mother, but a stepmother? After all, even from the Baltic states (where the fascists, LGBT and other "joys" of the "decaying, soulless West") Russian-speaking "non-citizens" somehow do not move to the Russian Federation en masse.
Meanwhile, in Novosibirsk, Obninsk, Kotelniki, Russian people complain about migrants. They are afraid to let their children go to school alone and walk outside.
So, who and how relates to the Russians is a highly debatable question.

Quote: paul3390

What honestly strikes to the core - to fight for those who consider you subhuman???

And the Russian "ilita" considers you a man, what do you think?

Quote: paul3390

And - it is necessary to clearly show the rest of the people that in Russia they will be significantly BETTER than in Ukraine.

And what are you going to show, interesting. Mighty industry? Quality medicine? Low level of corruption? World class education? High salaries and pensions? Or does the whole "clarity" of your show come down to a simple thesis: "either live as part of Russia, or die"?

[kor1vet1974]

And the Russian "ilita" considers you a man, what do you think?

She considers us a fish. phrase: fish, rots from the head, miserable excuse for the tail. Fish, clean, it is silent, ear, boil, silent, fry, silent, fish day, staged, silent. We are for them, fish.

[paul3390]

And what are you going to show, interesting.

Me too, Newton's binomial. Having returned the Soviet power of course ..

[Hypertension]

Quote: paul3390

Me too, Newton's binomial. Having returned the Soviet power of course ..

Ah, well, yes. Delov something in two movements: take and return. But, despite all this "non-binomial", so far there is nothing to clearly show. You can still show record sanctions, but who can be impressed by such records?

[runway-1]

Quote: paul3390

And what are you going to show, interesting.

Me too, Newton's binomial. Having returned the Soviet power of course ..

But what kind of Soviet power is this?! After all, in essence, you are proposing National Socialist ideas !!!

[Uncle_Misha]

A very good, correct comment. I have many relatives of Ukrainians, not Nazis, not Bandera, but just good people, they didn’t have any hatred for the Russians, and even now they don’t. Ordinary citizens of the country, just like us, mother their power and the Rada, everything is like ours. But they don't want to go to Russia! Why? The answer is in the comment above. In addition to the well-fed physiques of the oligarchs, or rather the possibility of admiring them, modern Russia cannot offer. So why do they need such a Russia?

[cast iron]

Powerful! They do not want to go to Russia, but on the other hand they are ready to lay down under any European, and on the terms of hatred for Russia. Great plan! Wonderful. They are so naive and I think that Russia will wash itself and release them on these conditions to the European master? Very naive.

[Uno]

a little prifigel with such a comment and the number of pluses. This is not even nationalism, but fascism in its purest form.

[MajorBlack39]

Are there any other recipes besides occupying and clearing territories? Already the latest history of the Russian Federation shows that all half-hearted or defeatist decisions have always led to even more bloodshed. Khasavyurt was followed by the invasion of Dagestan, Minsk was followed by the current NVO. At the same time, after 080808, after a while, both rest in Georgia, and by barge in Pyaterochka, and air traffic was resumed despite any international hellish sanctions. Let me draw a conclusion.

[memphis 05]

There were elections behind Khasavyurt, for the sake of which they stopped the war due to the inability to win. Chechens were not exterminated and today they are fighting for Russia - do you think this was a mistake?
In Georgia, they also did without genocide, they simply kicked it out of South Ossetia. As you can see, the "half-way solution" works quite well.

[runway-1]

What honestly strikes to the core - to fight for those who consider you subhuman???

Paul! Listen, after all, a bunch of complete inadequate nationalists think so!!! But the SVO of the "silent majority" in Ukraine did not add sympathy to us, to put it mildly ...

Because these same characters chose to destroy us with their fixed idea.

Where does this crazy agitprop game come from?! Where did you get the information that "they" were going to attack our territory (a nuclear country with much larger aircraft) and destroy us???

[MajorBlack39]

Somehow foolish. Well, so frankly and say: I personally feel more comfortable living, spitting on the choice of Crimeans and Donbass in 2014. Well, it is still possible, in the order of "good will", to give away, along with citizens, some territories that are claimed in the "civilized world". Indeed, the illusion of commonality with the "enlightened West", even if in the role of a washer of the master's toilet, is worth it.

[woodcutter]

It's interesting how you do it. Citizens of the Russian Federation should fight for the choice of the Crimeans, when they themselves were not given a choice at all, without even asking.

[cast iron]

Their official ideology is animal hatred for "Muscovites". They have been yelling at rallies for years that Russians should be slaughtered and hanged. And also they have been walking around with torches and black and red flags for years. This is quite enough not to wait until they attack us, to start acting on our own.

[Bolt cutter]

in Russia they will be significantly BETTER than in Ukraine

If the standard of living in Russia were at least like the Balts, the Ukrainians would have shouted out loud that they were part of the Russian land and would like to be annexed quite voluntarily.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

If the standard of living in Russia was at least like that of the Baltic states,

So this is what should be achieved.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

part of the Russian land and would like to join completely voluntarily.

Well, for now they have made their choice in favor of the European Union.

[Bolt cutter]

it is necessary to achieve

processing its own resources on its own, Russia can increase real GDP by about one and a half times, and in terms of purchasing power, reach the quite acceptable level of the Czech Republic and Spain. It will still be far from England and Holland.

made their choice in favor of the European Union.

The problem is that for most the European Union is a wonderland with German medicine, French social programs, Danish salaries and Swedish pensions. And work like in Greece What is it like here in real life, few people know even from those who have lived for 3-4 years.

[Wer best do]

The problem you described is a consequence of the existence of Ukraine as a state. Having at their disposal the possibilities of state power, the Bandera people were able to brainwash a significant part of the population, and, coupled with the absence of any intelligible ideology in the Russian Federation, this led to the fact that the population of Ukrostan does not meet our army with bread and salt. However, this process is reversible. The population always thinks the way propaganda wants it, provided that the propaganda is adequate and the words of the propagandists do not diverge from the actions of politicians. Thus, in order to clear the brains of Russian people from the dill heresy, it is necessary to free the Russian land from Ukraine. First, the one to the left of the Dnieper, and in the future, the one to the right.
This must be done regardless of what the population, duped by enemy propaganda, thinks.

[Alexander Raikov]

Russia, Yeltsin merged the Ukrainian SSR in the early 90s. And then the oligarchs thought that there was a transshipment base....and so on from Pani Tymoshenko to Yushchenko and Pan Yanukovych....and who will pay the price of all those outrages now?

[MajorBlack39]

Of course. For example, if someone had told me during the deadline that happened at the very beginning of the 2nd Chechen campaign that the Chechens would fight shoulder to shoulder with the Russians against the Svidomites in the Donbass, then I would most likely recommend a repeat of the VVK. However, life turned out to be much richer in incidents.

[Sumotori_380]

Citizens of the Russian Federation who do not consider themselves Great Russians, what place is assigned in your plan?

[MajorBlack39]

The hint at the type of "Russian Nazism", like tracing paper from the German middle of the last century, is understandable, but - by. This simply does not exist. But the cementing role of the Russian people in the Russian Federation is openly recognized and proclaimed by fairly authoritative representatives of other peoples of Russia. Alaudinov's recent speech is an example of this.

[224VP_MO_RF]

right, everyone to the concentration camp, it's all to blame for everything ... (then you can substitute Ukrainians, Czechs, Kabardians, Nigerians, Jews, Mongols, Nenets, Catalans))))))))

[vova1910]

Quote: 224VP_MO_RF

Nigerians

And why the Nigerians?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The fight against Nazism by the method of ethnic cleansing. Class.

Quote: paul3390

What honestly strikes to the core - to fight for those who consider you subhuman???

Well, you offer an even worse alternative - Master Plan West. And twenty-two pluses. By the way, I know for sure that Ukrainians on their forums like to screen and post such cannibalistic posts by Russians, including specifically from VO. This is very motivating.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: 72jora72

And for this we need a real mobilization of the rear and society.

To begin with, we will send Comrade Samsonov to the front (as they say, start mobilization with yourself .....)

To begin with, it is necessary to call the NWO a war ... and then mobilize all those capable of holding weapons to the front ... the rest to put behind machine tools and tractors and tighten their belts for everyone with the introduction of food cards for everything and everyone.
That's what real war is.
GDP does not like this option ... me too ... but this is a payment for the thoughtlessness of the former and present Kremlin leadership, who lived in the ghostly fantasies of the world around ... where everything is allegedly based on international law.
Nothing like that ... the world is kept, hehe, on the rules established by a bunch of bourgeois and war is one of these rules.

[224VP_MO_RF]

and those whom you put under arms, what exactly will they fight for? (do not offer the Russian world)

[Bookworm]

Yes, I have been hearing about tightening your belts for a long time, even from Boris the drunk.

[Iran]

A clear setting of goals and objectives: the liberation of the entire Russian land from Western and Nazi evil spirits. The reunification of a single Russian superethnos (Russian-Great Russians and Russian-Little Russians). The buildup of the armed forces. New waves of mobilization with the aim of changing and rotating tired, bloodless formations and units. Sooner or later people will have to say that this is all for a long time. Odessa, Kyiv and Lvov will have to be liberated, and the entire collective West will be forced to peace. It's only begining.

We have so many sofas to find for the liberation of the whole of Ukraine and forcing the peace of the entire collective West.

[kor1vet1974]

We have so many sofas to find for the liberation of the whole of Ukraine and forcing the peace of the entire collective West.

[north 2]

and how many demanders have divorced ... Moreover, a million-legion have already realized that the demands and their explanations to the rest, they say, are stupid, it’s great to feed them from a soft sofa. From here, the question is to the respected editors of VO. Do you have your own journalist-correspondent, whom you sent to Donbass since 2014 for objective coverage of events? Has VO's own correspondent already been closer to the front line now? No ? And why ? Maybe Comrade Samsonov goes there, because he demands the truth ..

[Ascetic]

The main trouble is that the enemy feels impunity. And impunity breeds permissiveness.Russia would have acted differently - terrorism would have quickly disappeared, since it would have become a monstrously expensive and risky business, terribly unprofitable for the Ukrainian authorities and Ukrainian society, if they would pay for it, and not dudes with yellow armbands in the Belgorod village. I’m not talking about expensive Western partners who have completely gone crazy because of impunity .. If Russia doesn’t change anything, then a revolutionary situation may well arise according to the classics, when the ruling elite, oriented to one degree or another towards the West, will not be able to govern according to the old, but the people, society will have the limit of patience and they will no longer want this state of affairs.

In general, the situation is becoming more and more obvious. The Russian leadership is struggling to reduce the intensity of the conflict and find a way out of the situation at the negotiating table. Therefore, even after heavy reputational losses, such as a drone attack on the Kremlin, Russia does not escalate, does not attack the leaders of Ukraine, and even more so the countries that supply more and more weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is required (https://t.me/barantchik /9819) the radical part of the patriots. In the same time, realizing our country’s desire for “peace at any cost”, NATO only increases pressure in the hope of either inflicting a military defeat on Russia, taking our country out of the Great Game, or creating a revolutionary situation by bringing a new Lenin to power, who will sign a new shameful Brest peace.
As we wrote earlier, there are no good solutions to resolve the conflict in Ukraine (https://t.me/bigtransfer2024/16917). A large (if not most) part of the elites is against the escalation, and V. Putin's nuclear electorate does not agree to a shameful peace. So far, the head of state manages to follow the middle path between Scylla and Charybdis, but time is running out: the weapons supplied by the West to Ukraine are becoming more deadly (https://t.me/sorok40russia/42795), and the elites have begun to take dirty linen out of the hut, increasingly appealing not to the “chief arbiter”, but to public opinion through controlled media and bloggers.

[know]

War is not declared because nothing will change from changing the name. With difficulty, somehow dressed, shod and armed 300 thousand mobilized - while losing about 800 thousand young healthy men who fled the country. I suspect that the next ones have nothing to wear - shoes, and nothing to arm them with. And the loss of another half a million young men who fled the country will be a fatal demographic blow for the country. Already, many young Russian women have no one to marry and no one to give birth to. Arabs with blacks will be delivered? Or - Caucasians and "Central Asians" will cope? New skillful generals will not appear due to the fact that the NWO will be called a war. Sudoplatov will not be resurrected if the organization of SMERSH-2 is announced. And China and India, after declaring war, will not start selling the necessary machine tools and weapons, just as they are not selling all this now. But after the declaration of war, mass abuses of officials will begin, mass repressions against critics of the government, which will remain the same - with liberal pro-Western ministers and Ms. Nabiulina. The abolition of social guarantees, the ban on changing jobs and residence, the confiscation of deposits and personal property such as cars, forced "war loans". There is already talk of introducing a 6-day work week.

[Nastia makarova]

most have already returned, most do not have money to live abroad for so long and no one needs them there

[Bolt cutter]

many young Russian women have no one to marry and no one to give birth to.

At the same time, a rare young Russian woman is satisfied with the electrician Misha or the mechanic Vityan - she blossomed for that, give a millionaire.

[Stinging Nettle]

Electricity is also a lot of things. Dozens of non-psychologists yell from every iron: "A man needs this, a man needs that." An electrician does not want to be a quiet workhorse at home with no needs and perform daily unpaid duties, like a wife does. He wants to be a padishah, so that there is admiration, submission, understanding and high. But then the income should be like that of the padishah.

[Bolt cutter]

income should be like that of a padishah.

The electrician is not satisfied - wait for the millionaire and then seduce the tojirasiya with your passport with a residence permit - when there is nothing else. Something like this. In London, it’s about the same - a cleaner with an expired visa needs at least a director .

[Sumotori_380]

The ban on changing jobs, for example, makes sense in a planned and mobilization economy. Because the prohibition, for example, of a barrister to quit one coffee shop and get a job in another is meaningless. Such a ban makes sense when this barista is put to the bar as part of the mobilization. But here another misfortune arises, and even two 1) there is no sense from the barrista at the machine, in large cities the economy is largely post-industrial, this is the economy of eyebrows, nail specialists, that is, the economy of services, and the specialists involved in this economy are many the machine is not sharpened and 2) I doubt that there are a sufficient number of machines to which all this mass of people can be supplied, not to mention the fact that no one will sell us some machines such as photolithography installations, since in order to count the number of countries , producing them, there are plenty of fingers of one hand and this is definitely not Ghana or Venezuela

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Nikolay Malyugin

The same root words "Optimism" and "Optimization" have such a different meaning.

I have already formed a reflex to the word "reforms" ... will rob.

[ivan2022]

In the 90s, I thought that the "white fluffy" had already come to us .. But then I realized that such things as dismantling a country with nuclear weapons are not done with a tip. In order to do things reliably, everything has to be done in a complicated way, extremely thought out, in stages, and besides, China has also risen .....

The main tactic here is gradual braking
development, getting up from your knees for decades. The main thing is that people get used to it.

And against the background of their own habitual backwardness and many years of strife, the population will simply become disgusted with duty patriotism and will agree with anything. If only all these endless perestroika and kneeling processes would end faster ....

The people who in 1991 in peacetime themselves gouged their country-no one will take seriously anywhere and even he himself will not. We are gradually becoming a historical anecdote and an incident, like people leading a difficult "struggle for survival" in the richest country in the World in the 21st century.. Something must be done with such people... ..

[Iran]

Quote: ivan2022

The people who in 1991 in peacetime themselves gouged their country-no one will take seriously anywhere and even he himself will not. We are gradually becoming a historical anecdote and an incident, like people leading a difficult "struggle for survival" in the richest country in the World in the 21st century.. Something must be done with such people... ..

Tell me, is it possible to live normally, without the eternal struggle with the West and ambitions of some exaggerated greatness of Russia (by the way, in what exactly does this greatness manifest itself - in the yachts of the oligarchs and their football clubs?)
Is it possible to live in any other way than in the semblance of the most primitive and backward African countries, where everything is ruled by an irremovable dictator alone, who knows what the whole people needs and who stores all the income in an incomprehensible place?

When we were brought to Finland in the late nineties, we were told that in this country there are no minerals and kings, but there are people who themselves know how to live better and who promote the laws they need for themselves.
Figuratively speaking, Finland is an example of how to build a very successful country from scratch, without kings, general secretaries, leaders, revolutions, serfdom, eternal struggle with the West, without oligarchs and irremovable power.

[ivan2022]

Quote from iran

Tell me, is it possible to live normally, without the eternal struggle with the West and the ambitions of some exaggerated greatness of Russia ......
Figuratively speaking, Finland is an example of how to build a very successful country from scratch, without kings, general secretaries, leaders, revolutions, serfdom, eternal struggle with the West, without oligarchs and irremovable power.

There was less "eternal struggle with the West" in Russia than in other countries. From the middle of the 18th century to 1917, the country was headed by the German Holstein-Gottorp dynasty, and since 1991 the whole country was surrendered to the West and it is surprising that now they have begun to confront ...... This is not a struggle if the course of politics regularly changes 180 degrees.

The greatness of the largest and richest country in the world with natural resources cannot be "exaggerated".

As for the "tsars and general secretaries", the Tsar in Russia existed at the same time as the Kaiser in Germany, and he was not only Russian, but also Polish and Finnish. And Finland received independence from Russia in 1917.

General secretaries are the secretaries of the Central Committee, the position is elective and under reporting. For example, Stalin from 1923 to 1941 was only in elected positions: Secretary of the Central Committee and deputy of the Supreme Soviet.

[Sumotori_380]

Japas with little natural resources are weeping in the corner

[Sumotori_380]

About elective Stalin amused. No, formally you are right, not a question. It only turns out, as Vladimir Ilyich said, "It is correct in form, but in fact a mockery"

[Bolt cutter]

Finland is a model

Resources in terms of "snout" they have more than Russia.

[Sumotori_380]

OK. Let's take Japan as an example. There with resources, they say, it's quite sad. And the population is enough

[Bolt cutter]

Let's take Japan as an example.

Watch the movie Slave Factory. The Japanese ruined two generations so that they could at least get something. Approximately the same, by the way, did the South Koreans - the bride of the sidekick said that her father had to collect bulls in his youth and wipe the fat from cans. And her grandfather said to her, "at least you, granddaughter, will live normally." Are you personally ready to plow 60 hours a week at the shipyard, and at the same time save on rice?

[Sumotori_380]

That is, the answer to the question "is it possible, without having natural resources, to build a strong economy without confrontation with the world hegemon" - yes, it is possible. What is the price of this and whether we are ready to pay it is another question. PS By the way, are you sure that the generation of our parents - those who are now about 70 and older, and even more so the generation of our grandfathers, lived easier? I remember my mother's stories about her childhood in a hut with an earthen floor

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Sumotori_380

By the way, are you sure that the generation of our parents - those who are now about 70 and older, and even more so the generation of our grandfathers, had an easier life? I remember my mother's stories about her childhood in a hut with an earthen floor

I can tell you how my father's family, born in 1946, lived after the war. Tula region. Five children. Two-room house. My father, mother and sister lived in this house. An extension to the house with a separate entrance measuring approximately 11 squares. Two of my uncles lived there. The hut-workshop is about 9 squares in size. My grandfather lived there. A shed measuring 6 squares. My third uncle lived there. In all these rooms there were normal floors and there were normal stoves. My grandfather received and built this plot with the house under Stalin. So life was pretty good. Housing conditions were much better than when I was a child, when I lived with my father, mother and sister in a one-room Khrushchev. And just before the collapse of the USSR, my father was given an apartment-four with an improved layout.

[Sumotori_380]

In fact, the floor is clay, of course. But this doesn't change much.

[Sumotori_380]

Excuse me, but where is it better? Extension 11 meters. Two men. In one room. You can't even bring a woman for the night. Well, if there is a bath - you can stay there with a woman. The toilet, as I understand it, is like a toilet. In winter - the abyss of pleasure. Wash - bath. Again, it's good if it was. And then heat the water on the stove and wash yourself from the basin. Right there in the room 6 meters. Or 9. Or 11, but in the presence of another man. Even a relative. Prepare? As I understand it, in the same room where you live. At 11 meters. Or in cages 9 and 6 meters. 6 meters, Carl! In Khrushchev, the kitchen is 5. And here, at 6, all life passes. Cooking, mandrel and washing, as I understand it, are the same as with the first two uncles - in the yard, in the bathhouse (if there was, or maybe they washed in basins, heating water on the stove) and on the stove. Fuck the oven too. Firewood buy, store, sushi. So a one-room Khrushchev - central heating, a gas water heater and a stove, a separate kitchen and a warm bathroom - will be more comfortable. Yes, it's tight. But for intimate pleasures, a husband and wife can even go to the bathroom. So, of those listed by you, only those who lived in a two-room house lived more spaciously.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Sumotori_380

Extension 11 meters. Two men. In one room.

Not two men, but two boys. Up to the army. By the way, when the four of us lived in a one-room Khrushchev, my friend and his brother lived in a similar room. envied him. As for the women, it was always possible to bring them to the youngest brother, and change places for a while, especially since his hut-shed stood right by the fence. Yes, and even to my grandfather in the hut-workshop, because he worked as a watchman in the collective farm garden at night.

Quote from Sumotori_380

So a one-room Khrushchev - central heating, a gas water heater and a stove, a separate kitchen and a warm bathroom - will be more comfortable.

Have you ever lived four of us in such a one-room apartment? Mother and father on the bed, sister on the couch, I slept in the armchair-bed. Damn, yes, I had to print photos under the table, curtained with blankets from all sides. I drew drawings in the kitchen. The bathroom is combined, you sit in the bath with a book, they start hammering when someone wants to go to the toilet. Well, at least there was a balcony, I slept on it in the summer. In general, if my grandfather's family of seven people accounted for a total of somewhere around 90 squares, that is, almost 15 for each, then in Khrushchev there are 32 squares for four. Almost two times less. And you can’t go to the bathroom for love pleasures, it is combined with a toilet. Where are you going to have fun there, in the bathroom, or what? And then he told the youngest that he lived in a shed so that he could take a walk, or go to his brother for a while, and that’s all. And for cooking, the common kitchen was in the main part of the house. As for six meters, this is not so little. I have three friends and a cousin who lived in such rooms and did not buzz. Bed, table, bedside table, wardrobe fit. In addition, I say everything offhand, maybe there were more, I didn’t measure with a tape measure. But they didn’t buy firewood, the forest is nearby. In addition, this is a mining village, there was coal. The second grandfather, a miner, was generally given several tons for the winter for free. 5 tons, like, I don’t remember exactly.

[Sumotori_380]

Lived. In Khrushchev. Kopeck piece. The rooms are adjacent. Grandma lived in a big house - her apartment was. In a small one - about 8 meters in it, it was probably - the four of us lived (mother and father, and I and my sister). And there was no balcony - such a house project. Photos were taken in the bathroom. If no one suffered from diarrhea, they somehow managed to do it. PS. Do you have sex in the shared bathroom? And what is the difficulty? For young people who have a good physical shape and no problems in terms of potency? People in elevators manage, and the bathroom is more spacious)

[Sumotori_380]

It is clear that a person gets used to everything. But running in the winter to the kitchen down the street three times a day is still a joy.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Sumotori_380

It is clear that a person gets used to everything. But running in the winter to the kitchen down the street three times a day is still a joy.

What is there to run? And why three times? Tea in the morning can be boiled at home even on the stove, even on an electric stove, even with a burbulator. And what is “far” (the largest is two dozen meters for the youngest, who lived in a shed near the fence), if the children had to stomp several kilometers through the snowdrifts to go to school and work to their grandparents? You are a sissy, my friend.

[Sumotori_380]

Yes, I respect comfort. And a warm bathroom is dearer to me than a toilet in the back. And steam heating and hot water - stoves and a kettle warmed on it. In Khrushchev in the winter, you, yawning, left the room for the kitchen in your shorts. And in the shed you put on a fur coat and felt boots and ran into the house in the cold - snow is not snow there. Or rain in the face. Which option do you like best? For some reason, I was the first ... Or, God forbid, I got a stomach ache. In Khrushchev, run at least every 5 minutes. And in the house you can’t run on your backs and through mud and at night without light) PS. Not everyone is used to having breakfast only with tea. Give someone sandwiches, or even eggs ...

[Mordvin 3]

By the way, what does it mean for 6 meters all life passes? You did not understand. I write about their childhood in the 50s and 60s. After the army, almost everyone left. Dad got married, got a single, an aunt also got married, one uncle left for BAM, the other for the Far East ... Grandfather died, grandmother too, and only one uncle remained in the house. And he died a long time ago.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

But until 1945, when there was a special Japanese spirituality and the struggle against the Anglo-Saxons, the Japanese worked even harder, and a simple hard worker did not see any output from his labors. The Koreans generally started from scratch - there were a thousand people with higher education in the entire peninsula in 1945. And then this poverty was also plowed up by the war. Even in 1917, Russia had better starting conditions, not to mention now.

[Andrey VOV]

And Samsonov climbed into the topic of SVO ... to see the fees for the previous articles ran out .. Tell the men who took Artemovsk to their faces about the Pyrrhic victory, I'll see how long you stand on your feet after that, clicker.

[2 Level Advisor]

and where does the soldiers who took the city? since when is a soldier responsible for a general? the general is responsible for the soldier, and not vice versa ...

[Victor Leningradets]

All the commissar's enthusiasm of the author, his appeal to the experience of 1917 and 1991 have no real basis.

The formation of full-fledged tank and motorized rifle divisions that will break through the enemy’s defenses and enter the operational space and go forward, surrounding (not storming, but only blocking) cities and enemy strongholds. And behind them will go the troops of the second and third echelon - parts of the internal troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, clearing the territory from the Ukronazis.

Even if a miracle happened and we would have these divisions and we would launch a full-scale offensive in Ukraine, then in the realities of our time we would have achieved a multiple increase in losses on both sides. This pleasure is too expensive - a land war with modern conventional weapons. In addition, the enemy has the possibility of escalating hostilities with the unleashing of a full-scale war in Belarus, where a fooled part of the population dreams of a European choice. And the Belarusian catastrophe, modeled on 1941, will raise the question of involving the Baltic states and Scandinavia in the war, which automatically means the unleashing of a "limited nuclear war in Europe" with a sad outcome for our strategic nuclear forces.

Until they force the "elites" of the Russian Federation, which are almost entirely and initially pro-Western (upbringing, culture, way of thinking, worldview, family and capital), to take the path of the scenario of 1917 or 1991.

It is rightly noted that the Anglo-Saxons use the simplest solutions. Therefore, it is clear to them that neither the scenario of 1917 (due to the absence of a political movement inside Russia) nor 1991 (it will not be possible to deceive the people twice in one generation, and the repressive machine is entirely on the side of the authorities) is not suitable. But they remember the historical experience of the night of March 11-12 (23-24), 1801. And, most likely, they will try to creatively repeat it.
So there is nothing to fall into empty dreams about "militarization of the economy and society, new industrialization, revision of the results of privatization" and call for millions of mobilized people to be thrown into the furnace of war. It is necessary to win this campaign as soon as possible by allocating for this an appropriate detachment of forces (including the mobilized Landwehr), which will lead to the complete defeat, occupation and entry of Ukraine into Russia.

[Iran]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

It is necessary to win this campaign as soon as possible by allocating for this an appropriate detachment of forces (including the mobilized Landwehr), which will lead to the complete defeat, occupation and entry of Ukraine into Russia.

So how do you win this war? Everything that the army was capable of was demonstrated a long time ago. We have no other weapons. Only nuclear weapons remain.

Well, how do you propose to defeat Ukraine? Is it stupid to take a few million into the army and give them machine guns? I’m just afraid that there are very few who want to die, especially for this thieves’ power and the completely rotten elites

[Sanguinius]

That is, this comrade offers exactly the same thing as the one to whom he answered, to recruit more people into the ranks of the armed forces)))
Select the appropriate outfit of forces ... and what kind of interesting should it be in order to solve all the assigned tasks?) And if we don’t have such a squad of forces at all, then where can we get it from?)
In short, a comrade from above, says the same thing, only in other words)

[Nastia makarova]

if you do not win and take machine guns, then they will die here

[Victor Leningradets]

They forgot, Abbas, but they already wrote to me about this.
We need a strategic nuclear strike, a sudden one, from an undesignated point, that means from the ocean, better than two. And do not warn anyone - all these agreements between whites and Indians are in the furnace! Realizing that they overslept the strategic deployment of the United States, they will turn on the back. And in no case should you start with tactical nuclear weapons. A limited nuclear war in Europe is the exchange of Europe for our strategic nuclear forces. At the same time, the United States wants to reduce our strategic nuclear forces to "acceptable probable damage" to US territory, while keeping all of them almost untouched.
Having brought down bridges, turbine halls, dams and warehouses with high-altitude explosions, we will deprive the striking forces of Ukraine of the main thing - mobility, and then we will reach pockets of resistance, perhaps with the use of tactical nuclear weapons. The main thing is the capture of schwerpunkts. This requires mobile and airmobile units, but the existing ones should suffice.
But the occupying troops are the Landwehr of the mobilized. But for this, somewhere else 500 - 600 thousand people are needed to bring their number to 800 thousand (according to the experience of the First World War.
So I did not offer to cut with tank wedges and massive assaults on fortifications.
Sadly, we don't seem to have time. Not today, tomorrow the NATO operation in Belarus will begin and we will have to regroup in this direction. So the enemy must be preempted.

[Sumotori_380]

That is, you propose to spend part of the potential of strategic nuclear forces to hit targets in Ukraine? I omit the question of how an unexpected massive missile attack by means of an early warning ICBM of our potential adversary will be perceived. But in any way you reduce the potential of Russian strategic nuclear forces, spending APs and their carriers, and thereby reducing the ability of the Strategic Missile Forces to deliver a retaliatory strike against a potential strategic enemy. And I'm not talking about a purely hypothetical situation, if suddenly the blocks as a result of the strike you proposed by means of strategic nuclear forces work off-design

[Victor Leningradets]

And they won't work at all.
If the US CNS understands that the idea to drive our strategic forces out of Europe and from the sea with tactical weapons will not succeed, because. they slept through the deployment, then there will be no blow from their side. There will be a drag of diplomacy in order to gain time and prepare a new solution. And Ukraine, they will say - yes, take it! There was your weight, so carry it like convicts.
32 Maces (Sineva would be better, but the carrier is less secretive) will not catastrophically weaken our potential, in addition, all ground-based ICBMs will survive, and this is enough to cause "unacceptable damage" to the United States in the event of a nuclear exchange.

[Sumotori_380]

1) 32 Maces - this is a minimum of 192 MC. That is, an eighth of the total number of BBs. A lot 2) Where is the confidence that the sudden launch of 32 ICBMs will not trigger a full-scale retaliatory strike? 3) Real tests of nuclear weapons have not been carried out for 40 years. What if some of the blocks will fail? Now a potential adversary can only assume this, and so he will be sure

[vova1910]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

USA will turn on the back

What if not? What will be left of your Leningrad?

[Victor Leningradets]

I did not herd pigs with you. Nothing to poke.
And if they don’t turn it on, then this option is calculated by them, and they KNOW that they will insect our strategic nuclear forces without consequences for the US territory. But so far they haven't been able to.

[Alex 1970]

Why do you write this to the author, he barely moved away from his Hyperborea, everything is sad there, he won’t even read and I really liked the comment.

[bober1982]

"Samsonov" was drawn to military analytics, acted as a combat sofa hamster, dragged in the collective west, Klyuchevsky and Denikin.

[Boris55]

All power to the Soviets!

Quote: A. Samsonov

The battles for him went on for 224 days!

The question is not how long the fighting went on, but the fact that we took it!
We took the fortification, which the West had been preparing for eight years.

The result is excellent. Of the three divisions available to the Ukrainians, one was crushed, and only one of our divisions under the command of a "cook" with "hooligans" did this.

Many thanks to the landing force, covering the flanks and not allowing the enemy to surround the musicians.

Congratulations to all of us on our victory!

.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Boris55

We took the fortification, which the West had been preparing for eight years.

Quote: Boris55

Many thanks to the landing party,

Well, that's it ... I'll squeeze out a tear right now. It reminded me how I carried a portrait of dear Leonid Ilyich.

[Boris55]

All power to the Soviets!

Quote: Mordvin 3

Well, that's it ... I'll squeeze out a tear right now.

You can press a tear, you can change diapers, but the fact is a fact - Artyomovsk is ours!!!

Everything else is the subjective attitude of the subject, based on his prejudice towards the CBO that we are conducting. You, like all the minus ones, expressed your attitude towards my country quite clearly - this is not your country.

ps
Motherland is the place where we were born.
The state is the power that we have chosen.
A country is both a homeland and a state.

[Edvid]

Prigozhin, the results of Artyomovsk:
https://disk.yandex.ru/i/xkQtVOTFujA03A

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Boris55

Of the three divisions available to the Ukrainians, one was ground

Mmmm ... And the numbers of these divisions will not make it difficult for you to indicate? Otherwise, the Ukrainians themselves are not aware that they have divisions, only brigades.

Quote: Boris55

and only one of our divisions did it

We seem to be on a military forum. Do you know the meaning of the term "division" or did you just like the beautiful word?

Quote: Boris55

under the command of a "cook" with "hooligans"

They don't give so much for hooliganism in order to get freedom in meat assaults. There were not hooligans, but murderers, bandits, drug dealers and other nice people. According to Prigozhin - 50, of which 000 died, 10 were maimed, and 000 returned to our streets. Actually, reports from the field about their exploits in civilian life are already coming.

Quote: Boris55

Many thanks to the landing force, covering the flanks and not allowing the enemy to surround the musicians.

Opanki, was it not "one unit" anymore, but was there also a landing force? So soon you will remember about artillery, aviation and, in general, all the other Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which distracted the Armed Forces of Ukraine along the entire front.

[Scharnhorst]

Odessa, Kyiv and Lvov will have to be liberated, and the entire collective West will be forced to peace

Well, straight Macedonian, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane rolled into one with the idea of ​​a one-day empire! Further than the four eastern regions - not a step! It’s just that mattress covers need to intercept the idea of ​​​​world chaos around a city on a hill (Russia). And the outskirts, as a battlefield for a war according to the Israeli scenario, is very convenient - no need to build UDC, SSBNs, aircraft carriers ...

[Alex 1970]

Do not play other people's games, free everyone, arm everyone and super ethos, but where is the great tartaria? But seriously, the current leadership of Russia has strength, and most importantly, there is no spirit and will. And with such leadership is not expected. We only know how to speak beautiful phrases pathetically. The symbol of modern Russia, the Rogozin rocket with a hole, we ourselves can’t use the legacy of the truly Great Power of the USSR.

[kor1vet1974]

What's next

And then Silence. Okay, let's consider the most optimistic scenario. We acted as the author writes: mobilized, reviewed, carried out. Released. , Little Russia and an integral part of the Russian Federation. But in order to ensure the loyalty of Little Russia, it is necessary to provide the population with work, quality medical care, pensions, and other social benefits, so that the population would be much better than under the previous regime. And can Russia do this , under such conditions? I doubt, and I doubt even more that she will be able to do this in the current conditions, if suddenly, after the capture of Artyomovsk, the enemy suddenly runs to the West and on his shoulders, the Russian army will take both Kharkov and Zaporozhye and Kiev and Lvov .

[2 Level Advisor]

You think too "far" for the "uryakalok" .. they have the occupation, maintenance and control of a huge country with a majority of a hostile population - much easier than taking a small city, even if it is well fortified ...

[saigon]

You know, control of the country is still easier than fighting.
You just have to act moderately cynical and unprincipled (in short, in the spirit of democracy).
The principle is old and simple - divide and conquer. It's not worth inventing anything. The Russian Empire perfectly controlled countries with a hostile population.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: saigon

The Russian Empire perfectly controlled countries with a hostile population.

I'm not saying that it's impossible.. I'm talking about the cost of this effort, money, lives.. the same Caucasus, in tsarist times, were not interested in the price of what victims? and "partisans" with the support of the population and excellent supplies from abroad, do you think they will be a "little problem"? with the "small problem" of the UPA, until the mid-50s, the USSR could not cope using everything that you are talking about ... and the UPA - the problem was noticeably smaller than it can be now .. they would have finished the NWO in 3 days - it was not there would be such a big problem, but today there is and there’s nowhere to get away from it now, if we talk about the full acceptance of Ukraine .. and the ability / cost to solve it needs to be comprehended in advance, and not to think that we can handle it in 4 days .. and most of throwing slogans at VO - I’m sure that they didn’t even seriously think about it ..

[kor1vet1974]

The Russian Empire perfectly controlled countries with a hostile population.

Uh-huh, the Polish uprisings, the uprisings in Central Asia, the mass of nationalist parties, and as a result, all (white, pink, nationalists) anti-Bolshevik forces of the Republic of Ingushetia could not unite against the Bolsheviks. Do you call this excellent control?

[Stinging Nettle]

Our government is perfectly able to control the territory, and not at all by offering goodies, but by harsh methods. Quar codes were imposed on the whole country, and now they are not allowed to work without life, and this is in all regions, both in the Far East and in the Caucasus, where weapons are piled up. Why is this not possible with Ukraine?

[Illanatol]

Quote: Lech from Android.

What will it be ... a revolution, a counter-revolution, a rebellion of the elite, a rebellion of the people, an offensive, a counter-offensive, or, as it sometimes happens, the sudden death of a leader of a state participating in a conflict, etc.

Nothing will happen, you can sleep peacefully.
Didn't you suffer from insomnia during the Second Chechen War? Well, fine.

[dump22]

Didn't you suffer from insomnia during the Second Chechen War?

And what, do we really have a ready-made Western Ukrainian Kadyrov? Which with its "brothers" for us will lead to obedience to the Lviv region?
Because in one Lvov region there are almost 2 more "zapadentsev" than there are Chechens in all of Chechnya.

[Bolt cutter]

in one Lviv region "zapadentsev" lives

It was in the 40s that they could partisan in the forests - now give them a barbershop, the Internet, burgers. Now the majority will screw in the EU and will fart from there.

[dump22]

Yes, 2.4 million people will suddenly disappear somewhere. Well, for example, they will abandon their housing, property, the graves of their ancestors, and everyone will leave for the EU. And this should probably happen in all western regions of Ukraine?

This is apparently our main plan for the integration of these areas in the Russian Federation?!

Sorry, but this sounds even more naive than the pre-war dreams of "taking Kyiv in 3 days."

[Bolt cutter]

I'm sorry, but that sounds even more naive

Sorry, but this is already becoming a reality - in Nice, there are already more men hacking in abibas on the promenade than Arabs, and in Genoa they successfully compete in numbers with blacks. This is what I saw personally - friends from Belgium and Ireland say they have the same thing.

[dump22]

And I believe you.
It seems that 7 million have already left Ukraine.
And will definitely go again. By the way, I would be interested to know how many left the eastern regions and how many from the western ones.

But they hope that ALL residents will leave the western regions - after all, in my opinion, it's a little naive.

[Victor Leningradets]

And did the inhabitants of the occupied Czech Republic make a lot of partisans?
If the guerrilla has no outside support and control, it will result in a series of terrorist attacks and cause retaliatory repressions, up to and including deportation.
On this, in fact, everything will end.
As statistics show, 80 - 90% of the population are loyalists and will simply survive in the new conditions. And the remaining 10-20% will be divided into extremist terrorists and dissidents who campaign. At the same time, the dissidents have in mind to eventually move to the West and continue their "struggle" with the greatest possible comfort.
Terrorists, on the other hand, are well identified in the early stages of preparation, if the system of informing and encouraging informers is sufficiently developed.

[dump22]

And did the inhabitants of the occupied Czech Republic make a lot of partisans?

No. Not even close to compare with Afghanistan or Belarus.
Even with the Polish partisans can not be compared.

As statistics show, 80 - 90% of the population are loyalists

The statistics do not show this.
And it shows that for 50 years of Soviet power (with its completely closed borders, repressions, powerful propaganda and general political work) it was not possible to educate a loyal local population in the Baltic States. Only the Russians who arrived there were loyal. And in the western regions of Ukraine, it did not work either. But what can I say, even if it did not work out in Georgia!
As soon as the center weakened a little, it immediately boomed.

And about the same Czechs. They didn't partisan. But there was no trace of loyalty there, and as soon as the slightest opportunity presented itself in 1945, their hidden hatred for the Germans there immediately took the form of pogroms and murders of the local German population.

[Bolt cutter]

in the Baltic States loyal local population.

It was, if not 90%, then a good 70%. Support for the nationalists was not so high. But the center has already taken up the division of the heritage of the USSR and put it on the outskirts, and the independents were given feeding abroad, and from there they coordinated, and therefore it turned out as it happened.

[dump22]

Nationalist support was not so high.

And the statistics say otherwise.
For example, in the very first conditionally "free" elections to the Supreme Council of the LSSR in 1990, Sąjūdis candidates received 101 mandates out of 141.

independents received support from abroad

Right. And she didn't disappear.
And recharge from abroad then and close cannot be compared with the modern one.
Now it is many orders of magnitude larger.

And you probably hope that she suddenly disappears somewhere? Or do you have hope for the creation of a new, more durable "Iron Curtain"? Or maybe to improve party political work? What will the EP be better than the CPSU?

Do you really hope that now we will take into account all the mistakes of the USSR and create something better than then? I look at the current situation and am in complete pessimism.
This is not the USSR 2.0 at all, we get it, it's not even a run on a rake.
This is some kind of "cadaver" with all the mistakes of the USSR and at the same time without all its advantages.

[Bolt cutter]

And the statistics say otherwise.

I saw "statistics" saying that Estonia is richer than the Emirates and Taiwan . I have lived in Latvia since the collapse of the Soviet Union and have seen everything myself.

she suddenly disappears

Ukraine is not the Baltics. A more far-sighted step would be to let them into the EU, eliminating the EU as a competitor forever - it will simply collapse.

[dump22]

I saw "statistics" saying that Estonia is richer than the Emirates and Taiwan

Just about Estonia, I can say more precisely, since I was there more than once during the Soviet era, I still have relatives there and I was there personally 10 years ago.
So there are some personal observations.
Of course, they are not richer than the Emirates and Taiwan, I don’t know where you got such statistics from. And it will never be richer, there is no oil, no Chinese.

But I observed a fact there - the vast majority of ethnic Estonians are SATISFIED that they separated from the USSR. And their opinion has not changed in all the years since the collapse of the USSR.
Moreover. I did not particularly notice Russians there who would have had the desire to move from "decaying" Estonia to "reviving" Russia.

A more far-sighted step would be to let them into the EU

Strange.
What does "let go" mean?
As if someone in the EU is waiting for them. Yeah, how!
Their path to the EU will definitely be more difficult and longer than that of the Turks.

By the way, I used to think that if we leave them alone, leave them and not drag them hard to us in the EAEU, then gradually they will take exactly the same position that the Turks have with us now. That eats a pragmatic, rather cynical, definitely not a "friendly" position, but it is possible to trade mutually beneficially.
But now, after the start of this strange SWO, things have become too unpredictable...

[Victor Leningradets]

Our two avatars make an interesting group...
You misunderstand the term "loyalism". Loyal citizens are one thing, and loyalists are another. This group (the vast majority in any sample agrees to live in more or less acceptable conditions, work honestly and not participate in any extremist movements, YET IT IS NOT BURNED AT ALL. And the authorities, the neighboring people, they may not like a foreign language, but they interact quite peacefully with these factors.
Actually our population is a model of such a society. Sacrificial patriots are minuscule, those who love the current government are perhaps even fewer, but the number of the "Legion of Russia" (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) shows the real number of extremist-minded elements. And all the errands are emigrants - the number of dissidents.
So plus or minus this correlates with the Central European mentality and with Ukrainian in particular.
But about the partisans, I asked you a question for a reason. Now, if there are no encirclements on your territory, stocks of weapons and squealing is developed, then the maximum that "partisans" can do is help enemy saboteurs and recruit into espionage agents (this is if you are of interest to the residency).
Without external input, it looks like this.

[dump22]

You do not quite understand the term "loyalism"

Loyalism - adherence to the legitimate government and political order of one's country, especially in a situation where this government or system is CHALLENGED ...
(c) Wikipedia

That is, loyalty is manifested in a situation precisely when it suddenly got hot.
Otherwise, it's called bullshit.

Now, if there are no encirclements, stocks of weapons on your territory and informing is developed, then the maximum that "partisans" can do is help enemy saboteurs and recruit into espionage agents

But what about Chechnya?!
We conquered it quickly (September 1999 - February 2000), but how much did it lead to obedience? WHO there ended in April 2009!
But in all of Chechnya there are only 1300 thousand people.
Even if we estimate the passionarity of Ukrainians, for example, 5-7 times lower than that of Chechens (which is already too optimistic), this promises a very long period of partisanship. And at the same time, the Chechens did not have a trace of such powerful support from abroad. And the whole world recognized Chechnya as an integral part of Russia. And now, on the contrary, the whole world (with the exception of Syria, Nicaragua and Venezuela) does not recognize.

And yet, after all, the Chechens were brought to submission not only with the whip of WHO, but also with a hefty carrot, their cities and villages were rebuilt for them, filled with money. Will we have enough money to flood all of Ukraine? And why spend on them at all, what is it all for?

[Victor Leningradets]

Everything is correct except:
What Wiki Peaks offers is patriotism (see Great Patriotic War). There are few such examples in history. As a rule, this is a consequence of a powerful young ideology that has captivated the masses.

And yet, after all, the Chechens were brought to submission not only with the whip of WHO, but also with a hefty carrot, their cities and villages were rebuilt for them, filled with money.

They were not led to any obedience, they just do not want to give up such a fabulous source of income, and the choice of small peoples in the modern regional solitaire is small.
No, there will be no real partisans in Europe. Neither in Ukraine, nor in Belarus, nor in Russia. There will be adaptation to the steady and inflexible will of the state and a search for a better life abroad.
And the terms "the whole world" and "not enough money" - leave it to the politicians for the electorate. The Mind of Strength and Will should be enough. And money is just a measuring (moreover, biased) instrument of these qualities.

[dump22]

No, there will be no real partisans in Europe.

I sincerely hope you have some facts to support your thesis, and not just your own opinion.

stable and unyielding will of the state

It sounds beautiful.
But in my opinion the state is not an object capable of having its own will (if it is not an absolute monarchy). A state is a set of laws and institutions to enforce them. And you can evaluate the speed and ease of changing almost any laws (up to the constitution and state borders) in our country.

The Mind of Strength and Will should be enough. And money is just a measuring (moreover, biased) instrument of these qualities.

Here I completely agree with you.
If a person has intelligence, strength and will, he usually does not lack money.

[Illanatol]

Quote: kor1vet1974

.But in order to ensure the loyalty of Little Rus', it is necessary to provide the population with work, quality medical care, pensions, and other social benefits, so that the population would be much better than under the previous regime. And can Russia do this under such conditions?

The liberals said the same thing when Crimea became part of the Russian Federation. Nothing, pulled.
To make life in the South-East better than under Poroshenko or Zelensky - like two fingers.
And there will be work, the hell must be restored. So don't panic.
Well, Western Ukraine (and central Ukraine with Kiev) is not needed and for nothing. They will include 6-7 (maybe even 8) new regions in the Russian Federation - that's enough for us.

[kor1vet1974]

like two fingers.

Yeah, 25 lyam jobs for Russians, where are they? Are we importing gasters? Inflation is decreasing every day, prices are falling? Oh, well, yes, the new industrialization is taking giant strides, they resumed the production of Moskvich, in UAZ, they are preparing for a strike, they don’t want to work for a meager salary. My city, the regional center, during the war years, was turned into dust. It acquired a modern look only by the beginning of 80 -x. Before the war there were 50 thousand people, after the war about 4000, now 32 live. Will you beat your fingers on the asphalt?

[saigon]

You are wrong to take the whole territory, you can’t leave a stub with the name Ukraine.
Any stub with Ukrainians will be hostile to Russia.
So free from the hassle of the entire country occupied by vyrus.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Illanatol

And there will be work, the hell must be restored.

Sorry, but restoring what has been destroyed is all expenses and losses. Will you set fire to the house of a neighbor who hates you, and then rebuild him? Or do you think that he will be very happy because you will burn down his house, and will start to love you sharply? And who will pay you for the construction of this house to a neighbor? He, right? No, you will bear all the expenses, in this particular case in Ukraine - it will be Russia.

[Stirbjorn]

Sooner or later people will have to say that this is all for a long time. Odessa, Kyiv and Lvov will have to be liberated, and the entire collective West will be forced to peace. It's only begining. Otherwise, we read “Essays on Russian Troubles” by A. Denikin, and other historical materials on this topic.

One might think that if Russian soldiers were given Denikin to read in 1917, they would rush to liberate Constantinople, Koenigsberg, Prague, and so on. Most likely, fragments of these "essays" were littered with the nearest latrines

[Anton Yu]

While the liberals are in power, there will be no industrialization and unification of society.

[AdAstra]

"Mass purchase of machine tools, equipment in China..."
Is he really going to sell it to us? And then we have an interesting "friendship" with him, he takes our energy and other resources cheaply, but as far as what we need, everything turns out very zagaguly, remember at least the same Huawei.

[QuestionsNeudobny]

Is the author also a tribesman of Galkin, Slepakov, Makarevich? Anger flows like a river from every word.

[vova1910]

Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny

Is the author also a tribesman of Galkin, Slepakov, Makarevich? Anger flows like a river from every word.

Here, through one "one-quarter of our people"

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

As long as the authorities see serving the interests of the oligarchs as their main task, there will be no shifts in the SVO.
IMHO, all this tramp with SVO was started in 2024, so that the guarantor would continue his presence in the Kremlin in the halo of the winner. But it didn't.
So now there are two options:
1) An attempt to still achieve a decisive success in order to get the desired halo;
2) Having no success at the front, spin the hysteria that only the guarantor is the savior of the Fatherland, and there are only enemies around.
The second option rests on the problem of information resources. Only the 55+ audience listens sacredly to the zombie box, and even then with reservations. The contingent of 20-45 years old largely uses the resources of the Internet, where the information war is played out.
Do they understand this in the Kremlin? Yes and no. Partially understood, but not by those who form the agenda for the guarantor, this group continues to be in the illusion of the omnipotence of the zombie box.
Therefore, we are waiting for fun days at the end of this year and at the beginning of the next. When the hunt for bloggers begins, when they begin to inject at the head just for viewing the resources of the adversary, under the sauce that during the Second World War a real term was assigned for listening to Goebbels' radio broadcasts. Well, a zombie box will be something, there the guarantor will personally bring the Sun into the sky.
So we will see.
Someone said that politics is the art of the real. Always it is necessary to correlate desires and possibilities.
And you also need to be in control of the situation and know the real state of affairs.
As long as Stalin had several channels for obtaining information in his hands, he was in control of the situation. As soon as his entourage in 1949-1951. boldly take over the channels of information and begin to separate them, Stalin lost the initiative, became dependent on near-power groups. Today we see how the guarantor is isolated from information. A classic example is how he was sure in Medvedchuk's ravings that our troops would be greeted with flowers in country 404. It was no coincidence that Naryshkin looked so shocked in February last year, he realized that the guarantor was in an illusory world and did not own the true state of affairs.

[kor1vet1974]

As long as the authorities see serving the interests of the oligarchs as their main task, there will be no shifts in the SVO.

Yeah, but we have a worker-peasant government, from the president to members of the government, everyone stood at the machine and pulled the cows by the tits, before they go to work on foot and live in Khrushchev and do not have accounts abroad.

[Konnick]

the most cruel Troubles rushed, even more bloody than the big war.

In terms of combat losses, the WWI is one and a half times ahead of the Civil.

[Konnick]

And for this we need a real mobilization of the rear and society. Bulk purchase of machine tools, equipment in China. New industrialization. The formation of full-fledged tank and motorized rifle divisions that will break through the enemy’s defenses and enter the operational space and go forward, surrounding (not storming, but only blocking) cities and enemy strongholds. And they will be followed by troops of the second and third echelon - parts of the internal troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, clearing the territory from the Ukronazis.

Directly Suvorov, not Samsonov. "They will enter the operational space", and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will pick their noses, watching how the "second and third echelon troops" are going ...

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Konnick

Directly Suvorov, not Samsonov. "They will enter the operational space", and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will pick their noses, watching how the "second and third echelon troops" are going ...

rather a "general of latrines" from Schweik -

For the general, it was easy. The path to glory went according to the recipe: at six o'clock in the evening the soldiers would receive goulash with potatoes, at half past eight the army would be "emptied" in a latrine, and at nine everyone would go to bed. Before such an army, the enemy flees in horror.

[Konnick]

That's just in Bakhmut with losses, everything is fine. But in Marinka, the NM of the DPR suffered very heavy losses, thoughtlessly sending its fighters to the positions targeted by the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, practically without conducting a counter-battery fight. PMCs in Bakhmut had a different tactic - sending a small group forward, which they began to fire at, they began to hammer at the first shells at the identified artillery positions, which is why they needed a large number of shells. Then, having extinguished the artillery as a result of the counter-battery fight, they proceeded to the assault, first destroying the targets with artillery, identified during reconnaissance by the second groups. Moreover, the order of actions alternated.

[N3onMiami]

> "That's just in Bakhmut with losses, everything is fine."
Well, of course. And let's count. 35 thousand fighters at the beginning of the operation. Add 50 thousand "Zeka" = 85 thousand. Minus 40 killed and wounded (according to Prigozhin himself) and 26 fired at the end of the six-month "penal battalion" = 66 (according to his own data). 85 - 66 = 19 (survivors and members of the PMC).

> "sending forward a small group, which they began to fire at, they began to hammer on the first shells at the identified artillery positions"
Well, that is, they sent forward suicide bombers from the "special contingent" (prisoners). Bravo!

[Alex 1970]

I’m wondering if articles of this type are megalomania or a policy statement, if the latter, then where?

[kor1vet1974]

It's more of a mania...and you know why? Everyone writes about this and about the offensive and mobilization, etc., etc. General, fad ..

[Maks1995]

All this is secondary, general reasoning, of which in bulk all these year, and 8, and 20, and 30 years after the collapse of the USSR and the betrayal of the elite that swore allegiance to it. (often slyly keeping the crust of the CPSU at home).

The main thing is to believe or not in the magnitude of the victory in Artemyevsk, to believe or not, but the promises, statements, PR of the Authorities, Experts and the media?

Either you believe in PR - there is a grandmother with a red flag, then there is no grandmother with a red flag - it doesn't matter. I already forgot, and today the authors and Medvedev are already writing something new ...
Either you don’t believe it, and you understand that these irreplaceables are simply fooling and pumping money out of the pockets of the population, dividing property, pushing kids into power, and money over the hill.

[Illanatol]

Quote: kor1vet1974

Yeah, 25 lyam jobs for Russians, where are they? Are we importing gasters? Inflation is decreasing every day, prices are falling? Oh, well, yes, the new industrialization is taking giant strides, they resumed the production of Moskvich, in UAZ, they are preparing for a strike, they don’t want to work for a meager salary. My city, the regional center, during the war years, was turned into dust. It acquired a modern look only by the beginning of 80 -x. Before the war there were 50 thousand people, after the war about 4000, now 32 live. Will you beat your fingers on the asphalt?

What are the 25 jobs, citizen? Who wants to work - he works, there are vacancies in production. We, allegedly, do not have enough workers, so study for a demanded specialty and you will be happy. Well, you can sympathize with those who wish to wipe their pants in the offices, shifting pieces of paper - not the most sought-after personnel.
What about the prices? Our prices are not the highest, as is inflation. You can live if your hands do not grow out of the priests and there is a head on your shoulders, capable of not only eating.
And who does not import gasters? When these Gasters clean up after you, you don't get very indignant. Or are you ready to do "landscape design" with a broom in your hands? No, don't you? Well, I thought so.

Is there not enough population in your town? So don't you rejoice that we have millions of new fellow citizens?
In general, depopulation is a "merit" not only of the authorities, it should be recognized. This is also the result of the personal choice of citizens, there is no need to dump everything on the authorities. Or are you yourself - a father-hero, who has seven shops? I doubt.

We won't, don't even hope.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Illanatol

Who wants to work - he works, there are vacancies in production.

In what kind of production?

Quote: Illanatol

Or are you ready to do "landscape design" with a broom in your hands? No, don't you? Well, I thought so.

The turkey thought too. I do not see anything shameful in the work of the janitor. Pay normally, and not the minimum wage at the cost of a communal apartment almost at the same minimum wage. I don't understand where all this money goes?

Quote: Illanatol

Or are you yourself - a father-hero, who has seven shops? I doubt.

And the janitor can feed the seven on the benches? I doubt.

[Svetlana]

Another couch strategist. You tell those guys that they put their lives there. For those who are on the front line in mud and blood today, tomorrow does. You are worse than a jingoistic patriot, you are the one who sows doubt and brings discord. You are working for the enemy.

[vova1910]

Quote: Svetlana

today does tomorrow.

what is tomorrow? The Kremlin is already being bombed

[Mikhail Ivanov]

It's all gone boss! Everything is lost! Mironov is missing...
What kind of habit will disperse fears on empty? With all our problems, we are now rebuilding and the Russian spring will fire. a Ukrainian will fly with a kick in the ass to his fellow Poles.

[Illanatol]

Quote: saigon

You are wrong to take the whole territory, you can’t leave a stub with the name Ukraine.
Any stub with Ukrainians will be hostile to Russia.

Is not a fact. It is possible to create a neutral "layer", using local personnel - those oligarchs who are able to calculate their actions. From a pragmatic point of view, from the point of view of personal interest, it is more profitable to have non-hostile relations with the Russian Federation, to trade and do business, and not to fight.
Now the oligarchs are in the pen, Zelensky bent them specifically, but the situation may change (not without our help). Well, the remnants of the stubborn Ukronazis who have not been completely destroyed will find shelter in the western regions of Ukraine, that same stub. Yes, they will hate us fiercely, but they will not have enough strength and practical opportunities to harm us. In the end, the Balts and Kosovo Albanians hate us no less, but they do not really pose a military threat to us.
So the option is acceptable and quite real. I predicted such an ending at the very beginning of CBO
(on this site too) and so far I see no reason to revise my forecast.

[Constantine N]

The author should add one more after his text, what will happen if all his ideas are brought to life

[ivan2022]

The Greek king Pyrrhus lost 2 thousand in the battle with the Romans, and the Romans 6 thousand people. But Pyrrhus initially expected fewer losses. So "Pyrrhic victory" is not so bad.

It's bad that there is no answer to Girkin's question: "Why do we need these fortified areas"? They protect the way to where? And when Ukraine was building all this fantasy, how did she know that the Russian army would definitely go to them?

And why did Russia stupidly observe the construction for 8 years already? We were hung noodles about the "ditch along the border with Russia" for which there is no money .... Why was that?


There is no intelligible answer to the question: "why did the Armed Forces of Ukraine fight for Bakhmut?" Words about the symbolic meaning, for the sake of which non-symbolic means were tumbled in and a powerful fortified area was created, do not convince ..... The Armed Forces of Ukraine, therefore, rested "for symbols", and we because they rested ..... Far from Kharkov and Kiev...
Not a child - a garden, not a stupid house.

Or maybe this is a "fantastic war" in which only the mountain of corpses is real and the flows of dough are real?

[DeadPahom]

Couch strategists, drinking beer on the couch, measure demilitarization by the number of captured villages and lament hysterically. Isn't it more logical to evaluate the course of the NMD by the amount of destroyed military equipment, military infrastructure, enemy manpower? Does Ukraine benefit from prolonging the conflict? Haha! Yes, they go out of their way with their provocations to escalate hostilities. There are no visible benefits in delay for Ukraine, and indeed for the entire collective West. Everything shows that in the Kremlin's goals, the preservation of the NWO is within the framework of a low-intensity conflict, which it is now.

[16112014nk]

New industrialization.

But Kostin from VTB drowns for "grabbing". It expresses the opinion of a certain group of people in power.
Everyone knows how "grabbing" begins and ends.

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

Author: “That is, the victory at Bakhmut is pyrrhic. But it could be more fruitful if ... the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation ... was intensively preparing for a strategic offensive in order to liberate Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye. At the first stage. Then the liberation of the entire Left Bank of the Dnieper. And in the future - all of Little Rus'.
I agree, there are a few comments.
Drunk EBN with accomplices fraternized with the West and destroyed the country's economy at the request of enemies. Until now, little has changed - after all, the guarantor was appointed by EBN and remembers this, having built centers for honoring the criminal who ruined the country. Our government, whose main person is the guarantor, does not have a strategy calculated for years to come ... The scheme is still working - to take away and divide (privatize - among our own, of course). They went under the west - but they refuse to consider our money bags equal to themselves. For our top looms the fate of Hussein and Gaddafi. Many in power and moneybags do not yet understand this. The economy, under their leadership, was not ready for a long confrontation with the West. All response actions of this government are late, sometimes for several years.
With regards to the NVO, after the return of Crimea, the Federation Council allowed the guarantor to use force against the dill. But he blew it - and then it was possible to annex Donetsk and Luhansk without bloodshed. And now it would be much easier to fight ukpopia. They started fussing with the Minsk agreements, but the guarantor, according to him, "was deceived!" They deceived them for 8 years - and he hoped for something ... And not only for many years our people were beaten and beaten in the Donbass - since 1991, since the collapse of the Union, frenzied Russophobia has flourished in all native quasi-states - but our government is silent, And now to we are invaded by millions of natives.
It seemed - finally shattered! Patience snapped - but, after a few days of the beginning of the SVO, our leaders rushed to negotiate with the Nazis. And the possibility of new agreements is constantly looming... There is no response to the undermining of the Nord Stream, the murder of our public figures, for the attack on the Kremlin, the so-called "grain deal"... The methods of conducting this NWO are also outraged - they simply throw soldiers at the fortified areas, as if there is no ammunition of great destructive power, there is no destruction of the encircled Nazis, there is no answer to the participation of NATO countries in the war on the outskirts.
The stated goals are clear and must be fulfilled - dill must cease to exist and its territory must be included in the Russian Federation as regions. Further work on the elimination of Poland as a single state - to divide it into several regions and put an end to the Balts. Even further - to return Russian lands from Kazakhstan ...
But for purposeful work for the benefit of Russia, a cohesive society is needed. Do we have it? We have separately tops with a corrupt fifth column, separately - the people, separately - Moscow with the region, separately - Russia.

[Giuseppe_Cagliostro]

It only says that history never teaches anyone anything, especially the "peace" party, the party of traders and the money flows of the sitters.
The most difficult, most bloody version of events was chosen by the authorities, and the farther down the course of events, the more blood. They hope that they will die first, and they know that we will die first.

[Giuseppe_Cagliostro]

Quote from DeadPahom

There are no visible benefits in delay for Ukraine, and indeed for the entire collective West.

And who takes Western Europe into account, and even more so some kind of Ukraine? Who needs it at all is Ukraine with their Ukrainians?

[Giuseppe_Cagliostro]

Quote: Konnick

the most cruel Troubles rushed, even more bloody than the big war.

In terms of combat losses, the WWI is one and a half times ahead of the Civil.

Haha! Well compared! But nothing that the civilian was on the territory of only one former state. But they didn’t try to compare a pregnant cat with a collider, you never know, suddenly, in this case, you will find comparative criteria? How is it that only the brain could unscrew?

[dump22]

Lions will have to be liberated

From all residents?
After all, there are practically no Russians there, only "Westerners".

And apparently, we do not have a ready-made local, Western Ukrainian Kadyrov, who would lead his "brothers" to obedience and loyalty to Russia.

[Victor Leningradets]

Well, the Raguli Lvov were liberated first from the Poles, then from the Jews!
And there is no need to demonize Western Ukrainians. I served with them and completely trusted them. How they radically differed from the Russians - in their sense of dignity, they did not tolerate humiliation from their superiors. And so - hard-working, savvy, respected for real talents. A little envious of other people's successes. The main thing is that they understood that the Empire gives them a chance for self-realization, to learn, to become a master of a difficult profession, to break into the bosses. Otherwise, admire your farm all your life and listen to trembita.

[dump22]

And there is no need to demonize Western Ukrainians.

I don't demonize. It's just that I somehow doubt their loyalty to the empire, even when they made a very successful career in the empire. Like Kuchma or Yushchenko.

[RED_ICE]

According to Prigozhin, the PMC recruited 50 prisoners, of which 20% died. The same losses were among contractors. From the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 50 thousand soldiers were killed, he said

Units of PMC "Wagner" lost about 20 thousand people in the battles for Artemovsk (Bakhmut), half of them were prisoners, said Yevgeny Prigozhin


https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/05/2023/646dcc099a79478ef157061b?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

[Kuziming]

Sincerely, a good topic for analysis.
Let's take a look at the statements first:
- Assault on Bakhmut - Pyrrhic victory;
- There is no mobilization of the rear;
- "tank divisions in the operational space";
- The danger of the collapse of the state due to a protracted war;
- Unclear purpose of the Kremlin towers.

Now for these points:
1. The assault on Bakhmut is still a victory for Prigogine. Money and the resource of cheap human lives made it possible to take the district center in nine months.
- Have you gained experience in modern combat operations? Certainly yes.
- Can this particular tactic be used along the entire front line, with a regular army? Certainly not.
To win this conflict, something more serious is needed than the assault of high-rise buildings by infantry.

2. Mobilization of the rear. Something is being done, but this is not the approach of Korolev, Beria, Stalin. It is rather the style of Nicholas II.

3. Tank divisions in the operational space now are armored vehicles under the lenses of NATO satellites. Great target. Well, the tanks will drive 100 km. They will not be allowed to supply fuel. They will still be covered with long-range weapons, and then finished off with ATGMs.
Without air supremacy, it would be meaningless.

4. The danger of the collapse of the state due to a protracted war is exaggerated. But in our country, the collapse of the state is quite possible due to protracted lies. If the representative of the president constantly lies, who will listen to him?
Strength in truth, brother.

5. What the Kremlin towers want, they themselves cannot clearly formulate.
The task of the soldiers is to fight, the task of the expert community is to assess the risks and offer solutions.
In my opinion, there is no need to look for a black cat in a dark room.
We have the classic "Onslaught on the East": since the time of Rome, the crusades against the Slavs, the war of False Dmitry, nothing has changed much.
The civilizational conflict is still the same, the measures of resistance are still the same.

The enemy uses the "Divide and Conquer" plan, sponsors traitors, helps separatists and traitors.

Our task is to carry out the technical re-equipment of the army and the rear.
Our task is to stay within the framework of cooperation, to prevent civil confrontation in a warring country.

[Pilot]

Quote: Uncle Lee

What's next

We are on the eve of a grand nix!

What more. By the end of the year, the outskirts will be accepted into NATO. Everything is conditional, on both sides, including point 5 has already been completed.

[Lev_Russia]

Dreaming is not harmful... But only about the real...
Ukraine is in hysterics now -
He asks NATO to accept as soon as possible,
But for NATO, sorry, not usually -
To fight for the natives in the war ...
Do you really think
What will NATO sacrifice itself,
So that in some far outskirts there
Have the soldiers returned home?
Are you so sure
What will the Pentagon set up for you
Instead of Kyiv, Lvov and Vinnitsa
Oklahoma, New York, Washington???

[Clone]

Don't play other people's games.
Words of the author yes to God in the ears.

[Vashek]

The conclusion is correct. It is a pity that there is no one to implement it. And time is ticking.

[Sumotori_380]

I’m embarrassed to ask - what prevented the king a century ago from implementing all of the above?

[Eugene Zaboy]

That is, the victory at Bakhmut is pyrrhic. But it could have been more fruitful if, while the Wagner attack aircraft were fighting on the ruins of the city, gaining time, the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation would actually be intensively preparing for a strategic offensive with the goal of liberating Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye. At the first stage. Then the liberation of the entire Left Bank of the Dnieper. And in the future - throughout Little Rus'.[i][/i]

Apparently, Wagner attack aircraft alone are not enough to achieve all the goals set by Samsonov at this stage of the Northern Military District. Nevertheless, military registration and enlistment offices opened by the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation continue to recruit volunteers. Probably the residents of Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye are not actively joining the ranks of volunteers, which is why the SVO is being delayed. Without the desire of the residents of Ukraine to liberate Ukraine, Ukraine cannot be liberated, at least quickly. Until the Chechens themselves expelled the militants, the war in Chechnya continued.

[woodcutter]

If citizens do not want to participate in the liberation, it is logical to assume that what is happening is not liberation but capture

[Eugene Zaboy]

If citizens do not want to participate in the liberation, it is logical to assume that what is happening is not liberation but capture

Or infantilism. As a Ukrainian friend said, let Russia finally liberate Ukraine from the Nazis, so that I can calmly go home on vacation. They drew black marks on his door in Kyiv, so he escaped. There are a lot of such options and they won’t fight, but they want to come on vacation and will even return if the situation changes.

[MBRSS]

London and Washington will not make a deal. After all, the Great Game is underway. The crisis of capitalism... must be resolved.

How will the war in Europe help resolve the crisis of capitalism??? Nonsense.
As for the rest of the thoughts in the article, everything is more or less true, only this has already been said more than once, and not twice.

[Yaroslavl]

Everything is so.... new waves... only the year is not 1941 now, I think it will be extremely difficult to launch the second wave... they will not go to die now as in those years, no now I.V. Stalin, people die badly for the division of spheres of influence... and people are not at all the same as they were then... everyone will run away... so there will be wave after wave... just not to the front

[woodcutter]

Then people took risks for the communist idea, their way of life. And now for mortgages, rich people, toll roads, inflation? The Russian Federation invaded a neighboring state. But what will it bring new to the population? Russian state language and lack of customs. It's not enough to die for this.

[Igor1915]

Society, in my opinion, is absolutely not ready for what the author calls for. It took 20 years to raise a generation (pardon the comparison in Germany in the 20s and 30s) for people to get up and go kill (who doesn’t know war is murder). Of my friends, all of them are over 45-50; most of the younger ones are not interested in this. If you deny, make an offer. For me, the only thing that the Russian Federation can do is to try to disperse parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in some areas, there are no other options.

[reaper]

New waves of mobilization...Revision of the results of privatization, nationalization of strategic industries and enterprises.

A return to socialism, the Iron Curtain, a rejection of the market economy, right, author? Doesn't it smell like delirium?
And who will go to the front to fight? Times are different now; no one will run to die from the trenches “for the Motherland, for Putin.” Knocking on buttons is not doing real things

[woodcutter]

You can move mountains for the sake of communism. What's happening now smacks of delusion

[AlexWar]

Well, you tell me why there is no progress, they are sitting in the trenches counting their money, no one really wants to die. There are no armored vehicles for the advance.
The heavily armored infantry vehicles needed to attack are not there.
The war is essentially like the war of 1914, when everyone was in the trenches.

[Andrey Krutilin]

We are not fighting, but trading with Bandera’s Ukraine and paying it for transit.
Until privatization is recognized as a crime, nothing will happen.
Declaring war on Bandera Ukraine and according to the law of martial law
The President has all the power. Then the privatization can be corrected.

[woodcutter]

Regarding privatization, I agree that it is bad. It's better if everything is state-owned. But you have no right to declare war on a state in which something is not as you like. Moreover, there is no right to conscription if you are an aggressor. Citizens swear an oath only to defend themselves.

[AlexWar]

We are not attacking because our democrats have ruined everything, you understand everything perfectly well. Watch the sad video of closed military units.
In real life it's like this
Last platoon, last tank, last shell.

[kenpachi]

What? And how (assuming a worst-case scenario) a complete takeover of Russia will help world capitalism? The US national debt is about 30 trillion (12 zeros), and the entire gold reserve of the Russian Federation is 500 billion (9 zeros). Those. the difference is approximately 2 orders of magnitude or 100 times. If this seems like a small difference to some, imagine if your salary was increased 100 times
It was 20 thousand, it became 2 million. The cost of the apple company alone is 3 trillion. Well, how will these pennies help solve the global crisis?

[woodcutter]

The Russian Federation is a capitalist state with corresponding policies. It makes no sense for global capitalism to seize it since this happened a long time ago. They get everything they want from the depths at a convenient price.

[Butchcassidy]

The author of the article should read what a “Pyrrhic” victory means, he clearly uses this expression in the wrong meaning.

[Ovsigovets]

Lord))))) it’s good that during the Second World War there was no Internet)))) remembering how the war began and went on, I wish you could write. There are only saviors of the Motherland and great military leaders who defeated everything and everyone. And the country would easily be transferred to a war footing and the economy would not be damaged, and the enemy internal and external would be the winners in two weeks)))) I love hecklers who in real life are not responsible for a damn thing))))) Emperors of the universe))) love you

[Sergei Zhernakov]

I fully support!
Just one addition:
The year of the war showed defective areas in power and command and control....
You need to start with troubleshooting. We must ruthlessly get rid of useless bureaucrats, generals, and in general from all effective managers in the Russian economy and industry.
It is especially necessary to work with alligators and, in general, with deputies who have accounts, real estate, business outside of Russia.
Remove from management all whose relatives live abroad.
The first person to be removed from office should be Shoigu, who allowed the army to be plundered before him, during his command and did not initiate a single criminal case in the course of the SVO.
Without a specific purge of the Kremlin and the generals, all initiatives will be useless.

[AlexWar]

Lyube Come on. Let's drink today to everyone who is there for us now.

[dementor873]

The longer it lasts, the situation will be worse for the economy and the lives of ordinary citizens. And one day the mustachioed man will be surprised to see Aurora in the Moscow River.

Quote from iran

Is it stupid to take several million into the army and give them machine guns? I’m just afraid that there are very few people who want to die, especially for this thieves’ power and the completely rotten elites

If they give us machine guns, the next day the power of the oligarchs will end.

[dmlescs]

There are fools in Russia, thank God, for a hundred years

[AlexWar]

We will still win, I'm sure of it. Our country has stood in the same place for hundreds of years.
This is Russia, multinational.

We will defeat the enemy

Let them all be destroyed, I don’t even regret it, they invaded Russia. Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword. This is an old saying. Our. Rus' has been rocking for a long time.

[certero]

I hope the author is at the front and is personally going to lead the liberation of Odessa and other cities?
The current leadership of the country does not seem ready to solve the problems that they themselves created. Therefore, calls for some kind of mobilization of society are absolutely meaningless, simply because society is completely unprepared for this mobilization. And without propaganda, agitation and an explanation of why this war is needed will not be ready. And here we go back to the beginning, the management is not ready for this either.
Therefore, it turns out that the optimal option is the current state when there is a conflict of low intensity, which can go on for a very long time.

[acetophenone]

That is, the victory at Bakhmut is pyrrhic.

The author should read Plutarch instead of Denikin’s memoirs...

[agond]

To understand the reason for such a long assault, you just need to look at the photos of the destruction of houses, all the high houses in which strong points were equipped have traces of many hits from shells of different calibers, but the houses themselves were not completely destroyed, in fact the houses were able to withstand months of shelling . this suggests that the power of the shells used was not enough... the caliber is too small.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

How neatly the author planned everything out. For one part of the population - death and injury at the front, for the other - hard work and hardships in the rear. And he himself is broadcasting from the sofa.

[Wer best do]

How did you plan? The whole country will sit on the sofas, and the enemy will defeat himself?

[dmlescs]

Borderline schizos, they are violent strategists.

[the same doctor]

To win you need resources and money. Putin is obsessed with exports, which leaves no resources for the defense industry. Nabiulina is obsessed with transferring capital abroad.
Where can we get new weapons if both resources and money are going to the left?

[Illanatol]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In what kind of production?

Including in the defense sector. Personnel are needed, but not everyone is ready to stand at the machine or conveyor, alas.

Quote: Mordvin 3

I don't see anything wrong with being a janitor. Pay normally, and not the minimum wage when utility bills are almost the same minimum wage. I just don’t understand where all this money is going?

What money goes where? What are you talking about? Paid too much taxes, like?

We have capitalism, as it were. Equilibrium of supply and demand. If you don’t want to work for that kind of salary, don’t work. There will be those who agree. Migrant workers are the same.

Quote: Mordvin 3

And the janitor can feed the seven on the benches? I doubt.

Of course he can't. So much for the problems with demographics. The majority of us are “janitors”; in fact, we are a country of the poor and beggars.

1-2% are rich.
20-25% - so-called "middle class".
The rest are poor and destitute. And it will be like this for a long time.
By the way, one of the reasons for impoverishment is the loss of population and territories due to “sovereignties.”

[Illanatol]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Will you set fire to the house of a neighbor who hates you, and then rebuild it for him? Or do you think that he will be very happy because you burn down his house and will start loving you sharply? Who will pay you to build this house for your neighbor? Is he? No, all expenses are on you

The neighbors themselves will rebuild. Those who are loyal to us. Those who hate us have two options to choose from: 1. Get the hell out. 2. Die in the process of “denazification”.
We will provide assistance, within reason. We are already providing it.

[Illanatol]

Quote from: dump22

Yes, 2.4 million people will suddenly disappear somewhere. Well, for example, they will abandon their housing, property, the graves of their ancestors and everyone will leave for the EU.

Why did they want visa-free travel so much? Namely, to integrate individually.
Ancestors' graves... funny, thank you. My ancestors, bad luck, were often “communists” and fighters of the Red Army. Even the current president, Zalezhny’s grandfather, did not fight on the side of the Wehrmacht, but quite the opposite.

[Illanatol]

Quote from kenpachi

What? And how (assuming a worst-case scenario) a complete takeover of Russia will help world capitalism?

How much are our natural wealth and resources valued at? Thousands of trillions, as it were.

And those home-grown liberals who secretly dream of the defeat of the Russian Federation... have you ever wondered what will happen next?
Do you think that after the “democratization” of Russia we will again trade with the West as before, there will be cheap jamon and Norwegian salmon with French wines, we will enjoy “peaceful coexistence”, and travel to European resorts?

But to hell with you!

It will be completely different. There will be a war. Much more bloody, from which it is unlikely that you will be able to escape in Georgia-Kazakhstan.
Just as Ukraine was used as a ram against Russia, so Russia is used as a ram against China.
Do you want to be in the trenches in Transbaikalia? And they won’t even ask you what you want. They will tie you up and send you there, just like the Ukrainian mobs were sent to Bakhmut.
This is the expected “return to the civilized community”, gentlemen of the Heavies...

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Suggested reading A. Denikin? A man whose main achievements include his supposed refusal to “collaborate with Hitler,” but who at the same time sat in occupied France and the German secret services took traitors who had signed up for the ROA to his house for consultations. Truly a “worthy person” whose opinion should be listened to about the bloody events that took place.

[Tank destroyerSU-100]

Well, the fact that the Kremlin did not get a “small victorious war” is a no brainer. And we got the Russian-Japanese and the First World War in one bottle. Russian-Japanese in the sense that it was not possible to disperse the “Japs”, that is, the Wehrmacht, with dirty towels. WWII in the sense that a protracted positional war began, but the notorious “elites” continue to want to eat to their hearts’ content and profit from the war, but do not want to sacrifice anything one iota. Everyone knows what this led to in the second decade of the XNUMXth century: the elites who plunged the country into the World War were swept away.
So far, there are no signs of change for the better. The Guarantor continues to stubbornly cling to outdated stereotypes and methods.

[av58]

If Samsonov is so smart, what doesn’t work in the General Staff, or, in extreme cases, not in Wagner? "Pyrrhic victory". Did you understand what you said? Does he know what a Pyrrhic victory is? How can the capture of Artyomovsk be called a “Pyrrhic victory”? Are we left without an army?

[Alex_7]

And what does this have to do with a Pyrrhic victory? Artyomovsk was not stormed by the RyFa army or the landing party
A private military company
The army hung out on the sidelines and played negotiations

[Alex_7]

Why was the comment removed?

[woodcutter]

Crises of capitalism kill much more than revolutions. Even in peacetime

[Bioorganism]

There are no options, only mass mobilization.
There are no high-precision weapons, which means a mass mobilization army is needed.
Twenty millions. Shave everyone, including all janitors, migrants, students, just everyone except the security forces. We need to maintain control over the country.

[bratchanin]

Something very dark. Meanwhile, there is a recession in Germany as a result of a multiple increase in the cost of raw materials and energy resources. What the author proposes is the death of the male population unimportant, and for their children the reason for the outbreak of war and the death of their fathers will not matter, it will matter who killed their parents. Why and who will need such a Little Russia. Or, perhaps, the author has already uncovered the entire strategy and plans of the Russian leadership? Perhaps military battles are not the main factor in the current conditions of Russia’s struggle with the West; perhaps the main factor will be a decrease in the dollar supply in trade relations and the Anglo-Saxon recession due to the bankruptcy of the productive forces?

[Lev mauser]

... "That is, the victory at Bakhmut is pyrrhic. But it could have been more fruitful if, while the Wagner attack aircraft were fighting on the ruins of the city, gaining time, the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation would actually be intensively preparing for a strategic offensive with the aim of liberating Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye. At the first stage. Then the liberation of the entire Left Bank of the Dnieper. And in the future - all of Little Rus'."...
I sincerely don’t understand why such a bright mind of TSA, sharpened for brilliant tactical and strategic planning (and, especially, brilliant conclusions), is still not in demand at the General Staff and in the Kremlin???

[Sergei Fonov]

The author called the victory “Pyrrhic”; he did not indicate what losses there were, nor did he indicate where we had victories that were worthy, in the author’s opinion. Maybe someone is annoyed that PMC WAGNER is actually proving its professionalism.

[pudelartemon]

It seems that only Ukrainian bots are participating in the discussion of this anti-Russian perverted opus - everyone in a crowd picks up the hysterical howls of the author. And a question for the editor: why during the war do you allow yourself such articles that discredit the army, the state and the president?

[2sila]

I read it again and just got to the bottom of it. According to the Ukrainian proportion, if we take as a basis the losses of their side, according to Wagner’s statements, at 50, Wagner lost 000!!! so fat, my eyes are already sweating.)))

[Mekey Iptyshev]

Pyrrhic victory or not, further events will show. For now this is just a small military victory and a big one for propaganda.

[acetophenone]

Quote: RED_ICE

According to Prigozhin, the PMC recruited 50 prisoners, of which 20% died. The same losses were among contractors. From the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 50 thousand soldiers were killed, he said

Units of PMC "Wagner" lost about 20 thousand people in the battles for Artemovsk (Bakhmut), half of them were prisoners, said Yevgeny Prigozhin


https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/05/2023/646dcc099a79478ef157061b?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

And right now I’m traveling on the Anapa-St. Petersburg train, and an emergency doctor is sleeping opposite me. Going home. After Bakhmut was captured, Prigozhin’s contract ended. In a front-line hospital. He says that the losses are hellishly underestimated, more than 100000 Prigozhinites died there. Which is more like the ratio during the assault. When there is a shortage of shells.

[cast iron]

Who knows what some doctor says? Did the official lists of casualties go through him? Solzhenitsyn actually wrote that almost 100 million Soviet prisoners died in the Gulag.