Massive explosions are reported at enemy targets in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk

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Massive explosions are reported at enemy targets in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk

The Russian army continues to strike at military infrastructure facilities, warehouses with ammunition and fuel, places where military equipment and manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine accumulate in the frontline zone and in the rear on the territory of Ukraine controlled by Kiev.

About an hour ago, information about air raid alerts in the east of the country appeared in Ukrainian public pages. Literally in a few minutes into the zone of possible destruction of the Russian aviation Kirovograd, Cherkasy, Poltava and Sumy regions were included.



Residents of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, located west of Artemivsk in the territory of the Donetsk Republic controlled by the Ukrainian army, began to write about the sounds of the siren on social networks. Despite the ban on filming Russian strikes, footage of explosions in Kramatorsk appeared on the network. Citizens report that very loud explosions are heard, windows flew out in some houses. The points of deployment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as the places of deployment of military equipment, were hit.



The Kramatorsk-Slavyansk direction may become one of the main ones for the development of the offensive of the RF Armed Forces after today's completion of the operation to liberate Artemovsk. In addition, these two cities are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine as places of concentration of reserves, logistics hubs, and the so-called second line of defense is being organized here, which the Ukrainian military intends to hold after leaving Bakhmut.



Meanwhile, Ukrainian propaganda, as expected, began to refute the message of the curator of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, about the complete liberation of Artemovsk. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine claims that the Bakhmut garrison is allegedly still fighting in buildings in the Samolet area. Obviously, the scenario of the virtual defense of Soledar is being repeated, which the Armed Forces of Ukraine allegedly carried out for several more weeks after the real capture of the city by the "musicians".

To date, our defenders control certain industrial and infrastructure facilities in the area and the private sector

- said Deputy Minister Anna Malyar.

She is echoed by the speaker of the Eastern Group of Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Serhiy Cherevaty, who said in an interview with Reuters that "Bakhmut is ours", Ukrainian units allegedly continue fighting in the city.

All these statements are Ukrainian disinformation, including in order not to plunge Zelensky's visit to Hiroshima into dark colors.
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  1. +42
    20 May 2023 17: 43
    From the military correspondent of the musicians reflection



    I watched the Bakhmut meat grinder from the inside from its very first days, feeling the nerve of the events taking place to a sufficient extent for a reporter.

    And you know... Personally, I have no joy for the new liberated territory. Just as there is no Bakhmut itself, which has turned into ruins in 224 days and is unlikely to be restored in the coming years.

    But there is joy for the fact that the Wagner attack aircraft, not thanks to, but in spite of, crushed the huge grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that outnumbered it - there is. Because this is a real feat of Russian weapons, which should be included in the textbooks on the military history of our state.

    The guys went on the assaults in their usual prudent, but energetic and assertive manner and outplayed the enemy in a fair short fight. At the same time, the Ukrainians and the mercenaries who joined them were also good, this is recognized and respected by the navigators of the musicians themselves.

    About the exit of the Wagner to the rear areas. I consider it fully deserved and necessary. For all the time they participated in the NWO, they had one task - an assault. Everyone needs rest.

    True, something tells me that this rest will not be long and the Motherland will again call its Orchestra to a new battle. And Wagner will accept it. But let's see how events develop.
    1. +33
      20 May 2023 17: 46
      Massive explosions are reported at enemy targets in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk


      This is a salute in honor of the winners!
      1. +13
        20 May 2023 21: 06
        Well done Wagner! I'm proud of the guys!
    2. +23
      20 May 2023 17: 48
      Yes, many thanks to these guys .. Ahead - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. It will not be easier there
      1. +15
        20 May 2023 17: 50
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Yes, many thanks to these guys .. Ahead - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. It will not be easier there


        Well, parts of the regular army will already be engaged in this, while Wagner goes on a well-deserved rest.
        1. +6
          20 May 2023 18: 29
          But for a long time and fully they will not give the "musicians". There will be another trick from the parquet "cardboard" generals to the Wagnerites.
      2. +4
        20 May 2023 19: 06
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        .Ahead -

        Look further into the future with hope.
        We took Artyomovsk with a fight, we passed the whole city,
        And read the last street name,
        And the name is, right, the word battle:
        Odessa street goes through the city -
        So it’s our way there,
        So we are there
        Odessa street leads us to the west.
      3. 0
        21 May 2023 13: 53
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Yes, many thanks to these guys .. Ahead - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. It will not be easier there

        It will be easier after the liberation of Chop and Uzhgorod...
    3. +21
      20 May 2023 18: 02
      The Motherland will again call its Orchestra to a new battle

      Looking at what is happening involuntarily, thoughts come up - maybe Prigozhin should be appointed Minister of Defense? Whatever it was - but it seems to be more useful than from two dozen non-current generals .. And even more so - not generals.
      1. +8
        20 May 2023 18: 09
        So it all depends on skills. And in order to develop them, you need to participate in conflicts of such intensity and scale. And we only had something similar in the 40s of the last century, that's the problem. Wagner PMCs received assault experience in the same Syria where there were Aleppo, Homs, Hama, South Gutta, Deir ez-Zor, the same Damascus.
        1. +4
          20 May 2023 18: 51
          Well - there were also some generals in Syria. But something big success is not yet seen from them ..
      2. +6
        20 May 2023 18: 32
        On this occasion, you know what I’ll say ... THE SYSTEM broke and not like that. Now he is independent and suffers from this SYSTEM. But once inside it, I’m not sure that Prigozhin will remain that Prigozhin ..
      3. -14
        20 May 2023 18: 37
        Quote: paul3390
        The Motherland will again call its Orchestra to a new battle

        Looking at what is happening involuntarily, thoughts come up - maybe Prigozhin should be appointed Minister of Defense? Whatever it was - but it seems to be more useful than from two dozen non-current generals .. And even more so - not generals.

        Prigogine is a publicity figure, or rather, he is promoting himself. If we put someone, then Strelkov, or if from Wagner, then from their commanders, Utkin for example. And if you go back to Prigozhin, then fir-burn, how naive people are, even Lebed was with his commanding voice, then Shoigu was, he also made a rustle being the Minister of Emergency Situations. I remember his conference call was shown on TV, only pee-pee, his deputies spread rot on black. And what, guys, life does not teach anything?))))
        1. -4
          20 May 2023 20: 04
          Something for a long time, by the way, the shooters weren’t poked with a stick, wouldn’t they die?
          1. -1
            20 May 2023 23: 42
            Quote: Incvizitor
            Something for a long time, by the way, the shooters weren’t poked with a stick, wouldn’t they die?

            Strelkov is quite active both in VK and in the cart. He creates his own political party and he will succeed apparently more successfully than Prigogine. Strelkov is more respectful and reverent towards his assistants and sympathizers than the current Russian elite. And the retinue plays the king.
          2. +1
            21 May 2023 14: 12
            In general, I wanted to "didn't whine" to write, but the bastard fixed the mobile phone ...
        2. +1
          21 May 2023 10: 21
          Yes, yes, tell it to those who were with him in the 14th year !!! I think you will wash off saliva for a long time, and even it will come to assault if you don’t have time to run away !!!!!
      4. +1
        21 May 2023 00: 42
        and the sense of him seems to be more than from two dozen non-current generals ..


        As always, there are an abundance of generals in Russia, at the beginning of 2020 there were 2 of them, including 205 in the Armed Forces, 1 in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 317 in the National Guard, 340 in the Ministry of Emergency Situations and 18 in other structures.
        As of December 2015, there were 896 generals and admirals in active service in the US armed forces (plus another 19 retired) - 319 in the army, 277 in the air force, 217 in the navy and 83 in the marine corps.
    4. +2
      20 May 2023 18: 08
      The points of deployment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit .......

      Welcome to Hell. Remote disposal is very effective.
    5. +10
      20 May 2023 18: 18
      Quote: Soviet Moldavan
      At the same time, the Ukrainians and the mercenaries who joined them were also good, this is recognized and respected by the navigators of the musicians themselves


      It’s not for me to advise the heroes from the couch, and yet they’re in vain in such a manner about banderlogs. It is even easier to understand if you transfer it to the Second World War - "German soldiers and SS men were also good." These people torture and kill your fellow soldiers.
      1. +5
        20 May 2023 18: 43
        Quote: IvanIvanov
        Quote: Soviet Moldavan
        At the same time, the Ukrainians and the mercenaries who joined them were also good, this is recognized and respected by the navigators of the musicians themselves


        It’s not for me to advise the heroes from the couch, and yet they’re in vain in such a manner about banderlogs. It is even easier to understand if you transfer it to the Second World War - "German soldiers and SS men were also good." These people torture and kill your fellow soldiers.

        Yes, you still need to cover the dead mercenaries with a flag and send them home.)))) Our ancestors, there were fools, there were various SS men from Charlemagne, Viking, but why go far Galicia, the Nachtigal regiment was used only as fertilizer. And such procedures actually only raise the fighting spirit of Khokhols. Isn't it clear to an adult uncle?
        1. -1
          20 May 2023 23: 46
          Quote: azkolt
          Our ancestors were fools, there were various SS men from Charlemagne, Viking, but why go far Galicia, the Nachtigal regiment was used only as fertilizer.

          In 1918, the Bolsheviks quite effectively drove the Germans and allies out of Ukraine. It is desirable to take those events as a model. But the losses of the Wehrmacht in the battles of 1941 are commensurate with the losses of the Armed Forces in 2022-2023. So Putin and Gerasimov look good even against the background of Stalin, Vasilevsky and Zhukov.
          1. 0
            21 May 2023 01: 43
            But the losses of the Wehrmacht in the battles of 1941 are commensurate with the losses of the Armed Forces in 2022-2023. So Putin and Gerasimov look good even against the background of Stalin, Vasilevsky and Zhukov.


            the average daily losses of the Red Army in 1941 amounted to 16 people, in 300 - 1942 people, in 8 - 900, in 1943 - 6, in 400 - 1944
            Average monthly losses respectively:
            1941 - 16300 * 30 = 489 hours
            1942 - 8900*30 = 267 hours
            1943 - 6400 * 30 = 192 hours
            1944 - 4800 * 30 = 144 hours
            1945 - 6200 * 30 = 186 hours
            With the average size of the active army, we calculate the corresponding average percentage of casualties per month:
            1941 - 4 million people (12,2%)
            1942 - 5 million people (5,34%)
            1943 - 6,5 million people (2,95%)
            1944 - 6,7 million people (2,1%)
            1945 - 6,7 million people (2,77%)
            And now compare the losses of the Red Army with the losses of the Wagnerites for a month of 10%, which Mr. Prigogine announced, and even then with a good supply of ammunition.
            Note that only in the tragic 1941, the percentage of losses of the Red Army was higher than in Wagner, so for those who like to call Zhukov and Stalin "butchers who filled up the Germans with corpses" these are very unpleasant numbers ...
            The Soviet Marshals of Victory fought more professionally and took care of the soldiers.
            As for the losses of the Wehrmacht, the ratio with the Red Army on average for 4 years of the Second World War is 1: 1,3.
            1. 0
              21 May 2023 08: 26
              Quote: assault
              ..average daily losses of the Red Army in 1941 amounted to 16 people, in 300 - 1942
              people, in 1943 - 6, in 400 - 1944, in 4 - 800
              Average monthly losses respectively:
              1941 - 16300 * 30 = 489 hours
              1942 - 8900*30 = 267 hours
              1943 - 6400 * 30 = 192 hours
              1944 - 4800 * 30 = 144 hours
              1945 - 6200 * 30 = 186 hours
              Given the average size of the active army, we calculate the corresponding average
              loss per month:
              1941 - 4 million people (12,2%)
              1942 - 5 million people (5,34%)
              1943 - 6,5 million people (2,95%)
              1944 - 6,7 million people (2,1%)
              1945 - 6,7 million people (2,77%)

              what

              where does the figure of 28,9 million people come from?


              "Losses of the parties in the Great Patriotic War
              Irrecoverable losses of the parties from June 1941 to June 1943 (dead, disabled and prisoners of war) were:
              10,3 million soldiers of the Red Army (3,9 million dead, 1,3 million disabled, 5,1 million
              prisoners) plus 0,9 million militias (0,4 million dead, 0,5 million prisoners of war) against 3,9 million Wehrmacht and SS troops (2,7 dead, 0,9 million disabled, 0,3 million prisoners of war) plus 0,6 .XNUMX million allies of Germany (dead and captured).
              Thus, the ratio of losses for the specified period:
              11,2 million: 4,5 million ~ 2,5: 1 in favor of Germany.
              Irrecoverable losses of the parties for the period from July 1943 to May 1945, the remaining 22
              months of the war (dead, disabled and prisoners of war) amounted to:
              5 million soldiers of the Red Army (3,5 million dead, 1,2 million disabled, 0,3 million
              prisoners of war)
              против
              7 million Wehrmacht and SS troops (3,2 million dead, 1 million disabled, 2,8 million
              prisoners of war) plus 1,1 million German allies plus 1,1 million Volkssturm
              (data on the Wehrmacht and the SS, taking into account 0,33 million dead Soviet collaborators in them).
              Loss ratio for the specified period:
              5 million: 9,2 million = 0,55: 1 in favor of the USSR.
              The total final ratio of deadweight losses, according to the principle "All against all",
              amounted in favor of the enemy:
              1,19: 1 for the dead;
              1,19: 1 for prisoners of war;
              1,17: 1 for disabled people.
              Zakirov Damir
              https://topwar.ru/181276-poteri-vermahta-sistema-falsifikacij-mjullera-gillebranda.html

              "The irretrievable losses of the USSR Armed Forces in the Second World War amount to 11,5 - 12,0 million people
              irrevocably, with actual combat demographic losses of 8,7-9,3 million people.
              Human. The losses of the Wehrmacht and SS troops on the Eastern Front are 8,0 - 8,9
              million people irretrievably, of which purely militant demographic 5,2–6,1
              million (including those who died in captivity) people. In addition to losses
              The German Armed Forces on the Eastern Front must be added to the losses of the satellite countries, and this is neither more nor less than 850 thousand (including those who died in captivity) people killed and more than 600 thousand prisoners. Total 12,0 (largest) million versus 9,05 (lowest) million.
              "... the official version of the loss of the USSR Armed Forces is 6,8 million military personnel
              killed, and 4,4 million captured and missing, German losses - 4,046 million military personnel dead, dead from wounds, missing (including 442,1 thousand dead in captivity), losses of satellite countries 806 thousand killed and 662 thousand captured. The irretrievable losses of the armies of the USSR and Germany (including prisoners of war) - 11,5 million and 8,6 million people. The total losses of Germany are 11,2 million people. (for example on Wikipedia)
              Andrey Kravchenko
              https://topwar.ru/11444-poteri-sssr-i-germanii-v-vov.html
            2. 0
              21 May 2023 23: 03
              Quote: assault
              But the losses of the Wehrmacht in the battles of 1941 are commensurate with the losses of the Armed Forces in 2022-2023. So Putin and Gerasimov look good even against the background of Stalin, Vasilevsky and Zhukov.


              the average daily losses of the Red Army in 1941 amounted to 16 people, in 300 - 1942 people, in 8 - 900, in 1943 - 6, in 400 - 1944
              Average monthly losses respectively:
              1941 - 16300 * 30 = 489 hours
              1942 - 8900*30 = 267 hours
              1943 - 6400 * 30 = 192 hours
              1944 - 4800 * 30 = 144 hours
              1945 - 6200 * 30 = 186 hours
              With the average size of the active army, we calculate the corresponding average percentage of casualties per month:
              1941 - 4 million people (12,2%)
              1942 - 5 million people (5,34%)
              1943 - 6,5 million people (2,95%)
              1944 - 6,7 million people (2,1%)
              1945 - 6,7 million people (2,77%)
              And now compare the losses of the Red Army with the losses of the Wagnerites for a month of 10%, which Mr. Prigogine announced, and even then with a good supply of ammunition.
              Note that only in the tragic 1941, the percentage of losses of the Red Army was higher than in Wagner, so for those who like to call Zhukov and Stalin "butchers who filled up the Germans with corpses" these are very unpleasant numbers ...
              The Soviet Marshals of Victory fought more professionally and took care of the soldiers.
              As for the losses of the Wehrmacht, the ratio with the Red Army on average for 4 years of the Second World War is 1: 1,3.

              The mistakes of all those who consider that they do not take into account the losses of Germany's allies, and they are catastrophic.
    6. +1
      21 May 2023 08: 57
      Joy in this case can be only one and only: about the fact that they have been ground. The rest is sentiment..
  2. +6
    20 May 2023 17: 57
    It is necessary to use the troops more actively for the assault, otherwise the Wagnerites, although military, are also people who need rest. Most likely, Akhmat will be brought up now, as the second most combat-ready formation in the army. They will have to take both Slavyansk and Kramotorsk.
    1. +5
      20 May 2023 18: 39
      Quote: Thrifty
      It is necessary to use the troops more actively for the assault, otherwise the Wagnerites, although military, are also people who need rest.

      Wagners proved to be the best assault infantry in urban areas. I think it would be wise to use them for these purposes. But for this, the regulars need to approach the cities and at least partially encircle them (surround, block). And also provide them with the necessary logistics.
      1. old
        +3
        20 May 2023 19: 48
        If you completely block the cities, then you can do without Wagner.
  3. +8
    20 May 2023 18: 09
    Quote: paul3390
    The Motherland will again call its Orchestra to a new battle

    Looking at what is happening involuntarily, thoughts come up - maybe Prigozhin should be appointed Minister of Defense? Whatever it was - but it seems to be more useful than from two dozen non-current generals .. And even more so - not generals.

    I dare to assure you that not only you have such thoughts ...
    1. 0
      20 May 2023 19: 30
      Naive people can have such thoughts, well, let's say people))). Is it really incomprehensible that all these swelling of his gills, all this comes at the go-ahead from the Kremlin? Firstly, for Shoigu, so that he knows his place, and secondly, for all sorts of fools they are preparing a simulacrum, which they will believe in the next case, and he will once again deceive them! Well, not everything is in order with his psyche, I personally would not want this man with the manners of a prisoner to lead not only the country, but even the Moscow Region. No, well, maybe someone overheard the chanson and he likes all this shit, I personally don’t!
    2. 0
      21 May 2023 01: 56
      You're in complete trouble with your head! They didn't teach to think...
      It is a pity that there are more than 50% of such people in Russia.
  4. ASM
    +2
    20 May 2023 18: 09
    Maybe this is right, to wait for the concentration of troops / economic materiel in some small spaces, and then to get into the most unsmiling. On the other hand, some of the troops / ammunition pass without stopping and go straight to the front, and these are the lives of our soldiers ...
  5. +3
    20 May 2023 18: 15
    Massive explosions are reported at enemy targets in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk
    . It looks like these are the following "not important, for Kukuevsky, frontiers, cities"!
  6. +2
    20 May 2023 18: 27
    The city of 70 was taken head-on for 224 days .... In Kramatorsk, 144. Will we take a year and a half? Is the army fighting with us, or is taking the cities an exclusively task for the Orchestra? There is no doubt, honor and praise to the musicians, but the personnel army of the Moscow Region looks somehow .... passively against their background ... In general, there is a feeling that the Supreme has lost interest in the topic and is waiting for it to resolve itself ...
    1. -2
      20 May 2023 18: 52
      Will they still take the city head-on and destroy it? Even Mariupol was not taken to the last building. If on the forehead, then honest generals need to resign.
    2. +1
      20 May 2023 19: 10
      And what about Putin? Everyone must do their job. Wagner stormtroopers, of course, are now out of competition, despite enemy agents in the Moscow Region. It is not clear just what the troops were doing for so many years before the NWO? Tank biathlete? Snap checks? And what did these checks give? Really, and not according to what is scrawled in fake reports about these checks. Here, apparently, there is a whole company, stealing the army and private traders in the military-industrial complex, who profit from soldier's blood. Those who steal from the army should be punished mercilessly. Even if it is with big stars.
      1. +2
        20 May 2023 21: 19
        And where does Putin?

        Indeed, what is it? This is not a royal business. It was only the "villain" Stalin who could be directly involved in the development of Operation Uranus
    3. 0
      20 May 2023 19: 37
      Quote from Chem1st
      The city of 70 was taken head-on for 224 days .... In Kramatorsk, 144. Will we take a year and a half? Is the army fighting with us, or is taking the cities an exclusively task for the Orchestra? There is no doubt, honor and praise to the musicians, but the personnel army of the Moscow Region looks somehow .... passively against their background ... In general, there is a feeling that the Supreme has lost interest in the topic and is waiting for it to resolve itself ...

      And again we return to Strelkov, who is unloved here, when he still said that such efforts should not be spent on Bakhmut?!!! Then Prigozhin, beloved here, was crucified, and then admitted that he had no strategic importance and all this alleged grinding was mutual. They only gave the Ukrainians time to mobilize the troops. Well, you got it, what's next? Ahead of such cities do not count. And until the war really starts with strikes on the CPR, all this will be endless. Well, or until someone hits the sacred gas pipeline with the ammonia pipeline.
  7. +3
    20 May 2023 19: 39
    Quote from Chem1st
    The city of 70 was taken head-on for 224 days .... In Kramatorsk, 144.

    Are you sure that the raguli will have another 50 thousand for complete disposal and 100 thousand for the "300s"? The meaning of Artemovsk was to destroy their army. If they fall for this one more time, they're done.
    1. old
      +4
      20 May 2023 19: 51
      According to Prigozhin, they have no limit in this regard.
      1. 0
        20 May 2023 20: 07
        Not without a limit, but the resources are still there.
        They need time to make up for any losses.
        They will collect something themselves, prepare something, foreign guardians will throw something ...
        Alas, it is not necessary to expect that common sense will prevail there.
        The period of misunderstandings, confusion, they have passed ... alas, we gave them time for this.
        Now extreme bitterness, stubbornness, stubbornness, against the background of what we ourselves call a "strange operation"!
    2. +3
      20 May 2023 21: 48
      That's exactly what I'm sure of - they will find it. Nakrainyak, they are deporting ragouli from Europe. For the EU will not rust.
      1. -1
        21 May 2023 00: 12
        There are options.
        Ragoulier does not rush into the fields to be graved, they only like "rear exploits" to their liking ... everything is the same as before!
        It’s only in fairy tales that they are heroes, but in life, the brainless ones have long since ended, and the tricksters scattered abroad, rustling at most in the rear.
    3. -2
      20 May 2023 23: 51
      Quote: Alexey Lobanov
      Are you sure that the raguli will have another 50 thousand for complete disposal and 100 thousand for the "300s"? The meaning of Artemovsk was to destroy their army.

      Germany denazified with 7 million dead. But then Germany had 2 or 3 times the population of today's Ukraine, and the birth rate in Germany at the beginning of the 20th century was 3 times higher than it is now in Ukraine. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will falter if their losses in killed exceed half a million. This is a couple more years of NWO without the use of thermonuclear weapons in the cities of Western Ukraine.
      1. +1
        21 May 2023 12: 56
        Defeat in a war and denazification are two very different things. Yes The defeat can be explained by heavy losses. But denazification is not. Denazification is a set of measures aimed at cleansing the post-war German and Austrian society, culture, press, economy, education, jurisprudence and politics from the influence of Nazi ideology. And the result achieved in denazification was not at all through mass executions.
  8. 0
    20 May 2023 21: 48
    Je až neuvěřitelné, že ve válce v boji může být tak velký rozdíl kvality, jaký dlouhodobě předvádí oddíl Wagneristů. Dal bych jim všem nějaký odpočinek, moc si ho zaslouží.
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    2. +1
      20 May 2023 21: 50
      It is almost unbelievable that there could be such a big difference in the quality of war in a fight, as the Wagner section has long shown. I would give them all some peace, they really deserve it.
  9. +1
    21 May 2023 05: 42
    Quote from Orange Bigg
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    Yes, many thanks to these guys .. Ahead - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. It will not be easier there


    Well, parts of the regular army will already be engaged in this, while Wagner goes on a well-deserved rest.

    I'm afraid that units of the regular army will only be engaged in retreat in order to "take up more advantageous positions." After all, the Moscow Region and the General Staff are in the same composition ...
  10. 0
    21 May 2023 07: 38
    - said Deputy Minister Anna Malyar.

    Well, go and die there yourself, if you don't believe...
  11. 0
    21 May 2023 09: 05
    Quote: assault
    And now compare the losses of the Red Army with the losses of the Wagnerites for a month of 10%, which Mr. Prigogine announced, and even then with a good supply of ammunition.
    Note that only in the tragic 1941, the percentage of losses of the Red Army was higher than in Wagner, so for those who like to call Zhukov and Stalin "butchers who filled up the Germans with corpses" these are very unpleasant numbers ...
    The Soviet Marshals of Victory fought more professionally and took care of the soldiers.


    The comparison is clearly not correct. It is impossible to compare the total losses of the army along the entire length of the front with the losses in the most fierce battle, the hottest sector.
    If we compare - compare the losses in Artemovsk with the losses (of the Soviet troops) in the Battle of Stalingrad, this will be the most adequate comparison, in relative terms.
    And it turns out that the Wagnerians acted more professionally and took better care of the l / s, despite the fact that the density of fire in this clash was higher.

    As for the provision of ammunition, primarily for artillery, it must be borne in mind that our artillery spent more shells in the battle for Artemovsk than Soviet artillery in the battle for Stalingrad (daily average). It is not surprising that with such an expense, shells became scarce, and unpleasant questions began to arise from the suppliers.
  12. 0
    21 May 2023 09: 08
    Quote: gsev
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine will falter if their losses in killed exceed half a million.


    Less than half a million. We need a million. And he will. And sooner than two years later.
  13. 0
    21 May 2023 09: 15
    Quote: Earring
    And where does Putin?


    And to whom does Wagner, in fact, belong? Who finances Wagner?
    How many bayonets are in the Wagner? The spread is from 50 thousand to 120 thousand according to other sources. Of course, not everyone is in the NWO.
    Even if "only" 50 thousand, then all the same, the maintenance of such a structure (monetary allowance, supplies, weapons, etc.) flies into 3 billion dollars a year, at least.
    Does Prigozhin contain "musicians" from his pocket? Like a second Rothschild?
    Hardly.
    It is quite obvious that this alleged PMC is financed by the Presidential Administration, no one else in the Russian Federation can pull this off.
    So Putin is a prince for these "Varangians" or "guardsmen", if you like.
  14. 0
    21 May 2023 19: 54
    Thanks guys! Real fighters!