American expert: Patriot air defense systems delivered to Ukraine will now become a real “magnet” for Russian missiles

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American expert: Patriot air defense systems delivered to Ukraine will now become a real “magnet” for Russian missiles

It turned out that the American Patriot air defense / missile defense systems, which Kiev had with great difficulty solicited from its Western allies, are not even capable of protecting themselves from Russian missiles. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, on the night of May 15-16, Kinzhal hypersonic missile systems in Kiev destroyed five launchers of the American air defense system and, most unpleasant for the Armed Forces, a multifunctional radar station. Indeed, without a radar, an anti-aircraft battery becomes literally “blind” and in fact is not able to effectively repel air attacks.

And although in Kyiv and Washington they are trying to at least retouch the unpleasant information about the vulnerability of another Western “wonder”weapons”, hiding the unpleasant truth is becoming increasingly difficult.



American military expert, editor-in-chief of the military-analytical publication The War Zone Tyler Rogoway is very categorical in his forecasts of the future fate of American anti-aircraft missile systems supplied to Ukraine. In his opinion, these air defense systems will now become a real “magnet” for Russian missiles due to a number of significant shortcomings that they have.

The expert notes that the Russian military will be able to quickly calculate the location of the Patriot battery due to the fact that the SAM radars emit a massive electromagnetic signature. At the same time, it is very difficult to quickly move the installations in order to get away from the strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces after detection.

Even the most "nimble" configuration of the Patriot system is also quite static, and it takes some time to move it from one place to another.

Rogoway explained.

Recall that it takes at least 25 minutes to deploy a Patriot. This is significantly longer than even the S-300.

The most difficult thing for Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners will be to protect the air defense system during a massive attack, when the Russian military will use a large number of both decoys and combat weapons, especially hypersonic missiles. The expert stressed that Russia has been preparing for a conflict with NATO for decades and is well aware, among other things, of the weaknesses of the American air defense system.

As time went on and the delivery of the Patriot to Ukraine was officially announced, Russia in the same way stated that these air defense systems would be at the top of the list of targets to destroy.

Rogoway recalled.

To detect installations, which are a fairly large object, the Russian military will use the maximum number of available reconnaissance equipment, including satellite imagery. In addition, the special services of the RF Armed Forces will also attract local residents sympathetic to Russia, who will be able to convey information about the coordinates of American air defense systems, the military expert is sure.

Whatever the case, the Patriot is just another weapon system. It's not magic. She is not invincible or perfect

concludes the American observer.
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  1. +15
    18 May 2023 18: 06
    Well, a start has been made. God forbid, not the last .. Not clinking glasses Yes
    1. +7
      18 May 2023 19: 19
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Well, a start has been made. God forbid, not the last .. Not clinking glasses Yes


      And most importantly, it is printed in an American newspaper. And this is a huge damage to the authority of the Patriots in the world market. Now those who want to buy them in the world will decrease. But our S-400s are becoming more attractive on the market.
      1. +4
        18 May 2023 22: 34
        The deployment of "Patriot" in Europe was positioned as a defense against our nuclear missiles. That is, it was understood that it was possible to shoot at Russia with virtually impunity, and in which case the Patriot would protect. Now it turns out that in the very first attack by Iskander on Patriot, having landed all his stocks of missiles (32 pieces), he is not even able to protect himself, let alone some other important object. Europeans have reason to think.
        Does anyone know if we have rockets in this corner? And then the United States behaves as if they are far from us
        1. +2
          19 May 2023 01: 23
          Quote: Bad_gr
          The deployment of "Patriot" in Europe was positioned as a defense against our nuclear missiles. That is, it was understood that it was possible to shoot at Russia with virtually impunity, and in which case the Patriot would protect. Now it turns out that in the very first attack by Iskander on Patriot, having landed all his stocks of missiles (32 pieces), he is not even able to protect himself, let alone some other important object. Europeans have reason to think.
          Does anyone know if we have rockets in this corner? And then the United States behaves as if they are far from us

          Be calm, in this corner, on the North-Eastern borders, there is such a place - "The Wasp's Nest" (as NATA calls it), in the mines of submarine missile carriers of these missiles - up to ....
          Anti-missile systems "Bal" and "Bastion", by the NATO military, belong to the type of complexes that provide a ban on access to a certain zone. The same systems include, for example, the S-400 air defense system and the Iskander complexes.
          Well, there are also MiG-31BMs in Kamchatka as part of the KTOF mixed air regiment.
    2. 0
      19 May 2023 00: 01
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Well, a start has been made. God forbid, not the last.

      And if the latter, then God forbid ...
  2. +6
    18 May 2023 18: 09
    The experiment with the Patriots failed, now the Yankees will conduct an experiment with a glass member in the ranks of the sushniks by the method of its mass distribution wassat But it was necessary to do the opposite, then the Patriots could not be supplied wassat
  3. +6
    18 May 2023 18: 15
    Not a magnet... priority! All the best to Patriot wink
  4. +11
    18 May 2023 18: 15
    We learned to fight with the Hymers, now we are killing the Patriots ..
    Amers say in a panic an urgent meeting in NATO gathered ..
    One installation of 150 lyams and shots. Zelensky is afraid to return to Kyiv ..)))
    Israel refused to supply its vaunted LCD to the outskirts .. In the west, the panic is straight!
    1. +4
      18 May 2023 19: 43
      Well, in a panic or not, but thoughtful for sure. Martyanov immediately said that they would smash it as soon as possible :) And so it happened. Tomahawks in Syria, Khaimars, Patriots, Axes, not counting the portable stray In / On. One gets the feeling that if they give Abrams, then only the most ancient ones.
      1. +1
        18 May 2023 19: 51
        Quote: Labrador
        One gets the feeling that if they give Abrams, then only the most ancient ones.

        In my opinion, they will not reach and they will simply be written off so as not to be dishonored ..
        On Soviet armor, they could still fight, but here's NATO's fancy, excellent target.
        Our guys started getting excited, who will soak how much NATO armor))))
  5. +4
    18 May 2023 18: 22
    American expert: Patriot air defense systems delivered to Ukraine will now become a real “magnet” for Russian missiles
    . Okay, it won't last long...
    However, "the show must continue" and there is more on the way, all sorts of different, dangerous things, this must be clearly understood and prepared, to be fully armed, as they say.
  6. +5
    18 May 2023 18: 24
    Here is some more interesting information...

    1. May Day shelling of Kyiv. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that everything went well.
    2. The first transmission of the news that the "dagger" was shot down, and then the Armed Forces of Ukraine gave an official refutation.
    3. "Unofficial sources claim that the Dagger was shot down by a Patriot air defense system"
    4. Official statement from the Pentagon
    5. Publication of a video with the wreckage of the "Dagger"

    On this chart, shares of Raytheon Technologies Corporation (RTX), the company that makes Patriot air defense systems.

    wink Citizens! Remember, commercials from the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the key to your stable position in the market! At the bottom, approx.
    1. +3
      18 May 2023 18: 34
      On the chart, a drop of 28 cents from nearly $96, or 0,29%.
      Doubtful cause for bravado
      1. +2
        18 May 2023 18: 46
        Quote: forty-eighth
        Doubtful cause for bravado

        There, minus tens of billions of Raytheon's losses in just a day from the moment of the attack by the Dagger. So this is a very good reason. And the haircut has just begun
        1. -1
          18 May 2023 19: 50
          On the exchange, the movement of the share price by 0.29% occurs 10 times a day. Without exaggeration
      2. -1
        18 May 2023 19: 49
        From 105 to 95 per month:
        https://www.google.com/search?q=Raytheon+Technologies+Corporation+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8&newwindow=1&ei=ZFZmZJmIMNKarwTWmYCAAw&ved=0ahUKEwiZyo3eqP_-AhVSzYsKHdYMADAQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=Raytheon+Technologies+Corporation+%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46CggAEEcQ1gQQsAM6CggAEIoFELADEEM6DQgAEOQCENYEELADGAE6FQguEMcBENEDEIoFEMgDELADEEMYAjoVCC4QigUQxwEQ0QMQyAMQsAMQQxgCOgUIABCABDoFCCEQoAE6BggAEB4QDUoECEEYAFCfBFjFJWCuOWgCcAF4AIABlwGIAbQGkgEDMC43mAEAoAEByAETwAEB2gEGCAEQARgJ2gEGCAIQARgI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
  7. +2
    18 May 2023 18: 25
    It was always clear to everyone that a perfect air defense-missile defense system does not exist. It's just that the United States promoted its own - as (one of) the perfect system, although the Russian Federation is the recognized leader.
    1. +3
      18 May 2023 18: 34
      Quote: Normann
      It was always clear to everyone that a perfect air defense-missile defense system does not exist. It's just that the United States promoted its own - as (one of) the perfect system, although the Russian Federation is the recognized leader.

      Tanks at airfields are the best air defense, and tanks in the enemy’s capital, respectively, are missile defense.
  8. +3
    18 May 2023 18: 27
    Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine will simply strengthen the secrecy regime for all these Western air defense systems, so it will be hard to "get" them with daggers. And on the other hand, all this secrecy will eventually come down to a more frequent movement of parts of the complexes from one place to another, and this will reduce their effectiveness - as a rule, you can’t move such things very quickly, but until you deploy and connect, until the operators master the directions, but there already again fold and move to a new place.
    1. +6
      18 May 2023 18: 33
      Theoretically... she should protect herself!?!?!?
      But it seems that this is only theoretical.
      So the complex is at war, but you see, there are different wars, for them it is Alas!
    2. +1
      18 May 2023 19: 52
      will strengthen the secrecy regime for all these Western air defense systems

      And before that, did they publish their coordinates on their Facebook? laughing
  9. -1
    18 May 2023 18: 31
    The destruction of the Patriot air defense system cannot and should not be an end in itself. For the reason that this air defense system is also just a means of protecting larger or more valuable objects. If you are satisfied with the destruction of the Patriot, then the objects protected by them will remain intact. Therefore, it is necessary to plan operations for delivering missile and air strikes in such a way that immediately after the destruction of the air defense system or simultaneously with it, the objects that they protect are also destroyed. Otherwise, these strikes become ineffective, if not almost meaningless. The air defense system protects a certain enterprise of the military-industrial complex or a large warehouse of ammunition or fuel and lubricants and does not allow us to destroy them. We are destroying the SAM. AND? Then it is necessary to immediately destroy this enterprise or warehouse, which was guarded by the destroyed air defense system. Otherwise, why were we spending raknts on SAMs?
    1. +4
      18 May 2023 18: 42
      Quote: Traveler_2
      The destruction of the Patriot air defense system cannot and should not be an end in itself.

      We turn on the logic.
      1) The attack was specifically on the Patriot. That is, they knew where he was.
      2) One of the Patriot jambs is a sectoral launch. That is, roughly speaking, you can "enter from the rear" of the installation, where it cannot even let anything in. When mutually covering each other's installations, reload one sector. To do this, there are a bunch of cheaper missiles that can fly in at known coordinates and come in from any direction, the same Caliber. If not Geranium at all.
      3) But they attack with 1-2 Daggers - and nothing more.
      __________
      The conclusion is simple))) Who is there to destroy in Kyiv? Clown bunker? there is zero sense in this, a clown is cheaper than a bunker, and a bunker is cheaper than a Negro-loader on that Patriot.
      But on the other hand, in combat conditions, to check what kind of Patriot is there, suddenly they didn’t lie that they learned to shoot down hypersound? This is very valuable to see in combat conditions.
      Now we have an interesting situation with mattresses - "I see you, you don't see me." How, for example, to break through multi-layered air defense at the Khmeimim base - they don’t in their hearts ... They don’t imagine how they didn’t try through their proxies - there’s no point. With the shelling of Axes in Syria, it also somehow didn’t work out there. What Russia should do against American air defense - we know ...
      Well, in the event of a direct conflict, the United States will come precisely "with a knife for a shootout." And this is more valuable than any object in Kyiv
  10. -13
    18 May 2023 18: 37
    The Banderlokhs claimed they shot down 1+6 koljal, the RF MoD claimed they destroyed 5 US Patriot launchers and 1 radar.
    Score 7:6. Not in our favor. Well, they have a witness of this gentleman Vital. And who do we have?
    You need to go through the bottom of the barrel to scrape for the best result.
    1. +4
      18 May 2023 20: 13
      How many daggers were shot down is unknown, there is no one to believe, and the incapacitation of a patriot with a dagger was confirmed by everyone
    2. +1
      18 May 2023 22: 05
      So 6 was not launched. Again VSUK hunted some aliens
      https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/05/16/kinzhal/amp/
  11. 0
    18 May 2023 19: 18
    Quote: Oleg Ogorod
    The Banderlokhs claimed they shot down 1+6 koljal, the RF MoD claimed they destroyed 5 US Patriot launchers and 1 radar.
    Score 7:6. Not in our favor. Well, they have a witness of this gentleman Vital. And who do we have?
    You need to go through the bottom of the barrel to scrape for the best result.

    In theory, the Patriot should continue to function if it has not been killed. But there is no such information anymore, in my opinion.
    Like the story of the loss of Zaluzhny.
  12. +1
    18 May 2023 19: 26
    Quote: Traveler_2
    The destruction of the Patriot air defense system cannot and should not be an end in itself

    Well, actually, the destruction of air defense systems in most cases is not an end in itself by default. Yes, and air defense systems are placed in order to cover something that the enemy would like to get to, and not to protect themselves. Destroying to hit the image also makes sense, but most likely this is secondary.
    1. 0
      18 May 2023 19: 58
      Well, actually, the destruction of air defense systems in most cases is not an end in itself by default.

      Not in the case of the Patriot, which until now has been a "virgin" for our missilemen. You need to know the real capabilities of your own and enemy weapons, and for this it is not enough to study and compare their performance characteristics. Practice has been and remains the criterion of truth.
  13. +3
    18 May 2023 19: 58
    Quote: Oleg Ogorod
    The Banderlokhs claimed they shot down 1+6 koljal, the RF MoD claimed they destroyed 5 US Patriot launchers and 1 radar.
    Score 7:6. Not in our favor. Well, they have a witness of this gentleman Vital. And who do we have?
    You need to go through the bottom of the barrel to scrape for the best result.

    Do not fence the garden - with the use of Daggers, the destruction of the air defense systems of the West has fundamentally changed, the same thing happened in Vietnam - after the first use of the C75, and then they even just put barrels of gunpowder in a circle, imitating the launch of missiles and the Americans on the B52 seeing the glow from gunpowder, from fear, catapulted