"Anthony's Scroll" - an illustrated chronicle of the Tudor fleet

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"Anthony's Scroll" - an illustrated chronicle of the Tudor fleet
Departure of Henry VIII from Dover. Unknown artist. Written around 1520-1540. Hampton Court Palace Gallery, England.
This vivid painting depicts Henry VIII and his fleet sailing from Dover to Calais on May 31, 1520 to meet Francis I at the "Field of the Brocade of Gold". Henry VIII is depicted standing on one of the ships with golden sails in the background. The lack of artistic propriety in depicting the size of the ships may have been a deliberate device to convey the spectacular nature of this voyage and the overwhelming splendor of the English court. Dover Castle is shown in the upper left corner, with two round gun turrets in the foreground saluting the royal squadron. The painting is not recorded in the inventories of 1542 and 1547, perhaps because it was installed within the walls of Whitehall Palace. It was probably ordered by Henry VIII in memory of such an event as a meeting at the "Field of Golden Brocade"


"I have recruited many troops
and prepared warships.

First Book of Maccabees, 15:3

History in documents. And it so happened that after the publication of the material on VO “Medieval ships and medieval miniatures"A number of readers were asked to continue this topic and talk about the ships that replaced the medieval courts. But was there a source in that transitional era from the Middle Ages to the New Age that would allow us to approach it with the greatest possible accuracy and show not our afterthought about this subject, but directly what the contemporaries of these ships saw around them.



In the case of the first article, the sources of our information were medieval miniatures from manuscripts. But what source of the New Time could we use, both textual and illustrative? And here is the most important question: is there such a source, and if so, what is its content?

And now, as it turned out, we have just such a source on the ships of the beginning - the middle of the XNUMXth century. This is the so-called "Anthony's Scroll", and just today we will get to know him.


This is what a page from the second "Anthony Scroll" looks like. British Library, London

Rolls


"Anthony's Scroll" or "Anthony Roll" (this is how English sources call this document) is nothing more than a written account of the courts of English fleet King Henry VIII, which dates back to 1540. It is named so in honor of its author Anthony, and he wrote the text and drew all the drawings.

Initially, it included three rolls of parchment, with images of 58 warships. Their size, the number of crew members and the number of guns were also reported, and about each ship. According to Anthony, everything that happens on the ship was described there, along with "ammunition, artillery and everything that is needed for war."

The first scroll lists the carracks and begins with the largest ship in the English fleet, the Henry Grace e'Dew.

The second list contains galleys - hybrids of a rowing and sailing vessel, and one of the galleys also got there.

Finally, the third scroll describes the royal pinnases and "row barges," essentially smaller versions of the galleass.

All three scrolls were approximately the same length, about 4,6 m, and, most likely, in order to be examined, they were placed on a table or hung on a wall.


The flagship "Henry Grace e'Dew" or, as it was also called, "Great Harry". Attention is drawn to the characteristic architecture of this and other similar ships, namely, high superstructures at the bow and stern. It is interesting that all decks of the ship are covered with "roofs" made of mesh, woven from ropes and reinforced on the rafters. Such a net was stretched in order to protect the ship from boarding. Well, high superstructures were needed in order to be able to fire from top to bottom on the decks of a lower ship. Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

King Henry VIII received all three scrolls in 1546, after which they ended up in the royal library. But in 1680, King Charles II gave two scrolls to Samuel Pepys, who was supposedly working on the history of the British Navy, and he cut them up and then bound them into the form of a book, which is now kept in the Pepys library at Magdalen College, Cambridge.

As for the third scroll, it remained in the possession of the crown until it occurred to King William IV to give it to his daughter Lady Mary Fox, who sold it to the British Museum in 1858. This scroll is now in the British Library.


The Mary Rose is a ship very similar in architecture to the Great Harry. Pay attention to the guns that look back at the deck from the front turret. The calculation was that the enemy would try to board the lowest place on the ship, that is, the waist. And then it will be possible to bring down fire on it from two sides at once - from the forecastle (superstructure on the bow) and from the superstructure on the poop! Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

Ships


"Anthony Roll" - today is the only illustrated work known to us, which is a list of ships of the English fleet of the era of Henry VIII. As it turned out, the descriptions given in his text are very accurate. But most of the images of ships are very arbitrary and clearly made according to the standard of a rather primitive property. Therefore, the level of detail of the ship's design, and the location of weapons, and especially its rigging - all this turned out to be very, very approximate.

But despite this, it was thanks to the images in the "Scroll" that historians received interesting information regarding the study of heraldry, flags and ship decor of that time.


Sistership "Mary Rose" - carrack "Peter Garnet"

In addition, drawings of ships such as the Henry Grace e'Dew and the Mary Rose are no longer there, and we can only see them in the Anthony Roll. It is very important that the Mary Rose, after she sank in 1545, was successfully raised in 1982, so that it was possible to compare the information from the Scroll with the artifacts from the salvaged ship, and this comparison allowed us to take a fresh look at naval history of the Tudor era.


Another fighting carrack of the Tudor fleet with rows of cannon ports along the sides is the Fat Man ship. In fact, these were already the most real battleships. But the tactics of linear combat had not yet been developed, and the main stake in the battle was still made on boarding. This led to the fact that relatively few heavy guns were placed on the sides of the ships. But on the other hand, many small-caliber breech-loading guns were installed in superstructures. It was from there that the heaviest fire was fired on the decks of enemy ships. Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

As already noted, the author and illustrator of this document was Anthony Anthony (before 1530–1564), a government official whose name and signature are found in documents of that time. Anthony's father was William Anthony (died 1535), a Fleming from Middelburg in Zeeland who emigrated to England in 1503. William was engaged in supplying beer for the army, and Anthony also followed in the footsteps of his father - no later than 1530, he began supplying beer for the fleet.

But in 1533 Anthony was appointed artilleryman to the Tower of London, and this appointment was the first step towards his career as a civil servant, and nominally he was listed in this position until his death. At the same time, he rose to the rank of overseer of the Artillery Directorate, responsible for providing the army and navy with artillery and ammunition, and it was in this position that he made his list.

In 1549, he became a "master", that is, he received the position of chief of artillery weapons of the Tower, Calais, Boulogne and a number of other places, that is, he was appointed to a very responsible position at that time.

Examining the "Anthony Scroll" one can say that it clearly belongs to the number of documents that were made in order to fulfill a double task.

First, the Scroll could no doubt serve as a "reference book" for the king and the military leadership, since it listed all the ships of the royal fleet along with their weapons.

And secondly, he was clearly a boastful and lively display of Tudor military power. With the help of these three scrolls, one could subtly flatter the king, impress the courtiers with their diligence, and at the same time show foreign ambassadors the military power of England at sea.

Why did Anthony draw his ships?

Well, certainly not from nature, because ... then they would obviously look different. Obviously, he had some kind of source before his eyes. In addition to the painting "Landing at Dover", three more canvases are known that could serve as a source for Anthony's illustrations. These are “The Way of Anna of Cleves from the Netherlands to England” (1539), “The Attack of the French on the Coastal Fort” (the date of writing is unknown) and “The French Raid on Brighton” (July 1545). The images of the ships in these paintings are very close to what we see on the scrolls.

It is authentically known that all three scrolls were presented to the king in 1546. The inclusion in the first scroll of the Mary Rose, sunk at the Battle of the Solent on July 19, 1545, does not seem at all surprising, because even in 1549 it was still considered possible that she could be raised. The galleas, Antelope, Deer, Ox and Tiger, which are on the second list, also made the list, although in March 1546 they were still under construction, and the Deer did not go to sea until October of this the same year. But for some reason, the Blanchard galley, captured from the French on May 18, 1546, is not included in the lists.


Pinasse "Salamander". Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

Style


Anthony's style may well be characterized as amateur, but it is clear that he tried to depict the ships as accurately as possible and show them in all their glory. And he gave free rein to his imagination. The ship tree is painted light brown, but the decorations and anchors are red, and for some reason green was chosen for the guns. The contours are black, and the colors of the sea vary in shades from "grayish green" to "rich blue".

So, from any point of view, as a historical document, "Anthony Roll" is simply unique. This is the only fully illustrated list of the Tudor Royal Navy that has come down to our time, even if its depictions are not scrupulously accurate. In any case, they were painted by a contemporary of that real life. Even if the number of guns on individual ships indicated in the text only approximately corresponds to their images in the illustrations. The rigging of the ships is also depicted rather conditionally, and many details of the ship's rigging are omitted from the drawings.

Comparison with the finds from the Mary Rose made it possible to verify the accuracy of the entries presented in the List. Anthony's depiction of the ship has given historians an idea of ​​the ship's basic design features, such as the number of masts and sails. When compared with the ship inventory of 1514, there is a close match, proving that the illustration is largely accurate.

However, a study of the details of the construction shows that Anthony has a certain artistic liberties.

So, the armament on the painted ship looks clearly exaggerated. The number of gun ports on board is inaccurate as it implies two rows of nine ports slightly staggered, while the surviving starboard side of the Mary Rose has only one row of gun ports on the main deck with seven ports.

The accuracy of the tank was more difficult to ascertain as nothing was left of it. List of ammunition, small arms weapons, longbows, arrows, pikes and everything else exactly matches the archaeological evidence.


Mediterranean-type galley called "Thin". One of the most carefully and authentically executed drawings from the Anthony Scroll. It is believed that Henry VIII had a special attachment to the galleys, and perhaps that is why it is drawn so diligently ... Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

Flags


"Anthony Roll" provides us with detailed information about the flags used on ships.

According to vexillologist Timothy Wilson, the flags and pennants depicted in the Scrolls are "the most detailed source of information about the flags flown on the ships of King Henry VIII, and contain more visual detail than all other sources combined."

Among the most noticeable and striking are the elongated pennants fluttering on all ships, but in different numbers. They depict a red cross of St. George on a white background at the flagpole. And all these pennants are equipped with a very long tail with green and white stripes. All of them are painted with gold paint on a red and green background, and silver (which today has oxidized to black) on white. This artistic technique was most likely used to show the use of metal threads in those fabrics that were on pennants.

Along the sides of all ships, especially on the large carracks, we see rows of flags with heraldic images, including the English royal coat of arms, the fleur-de-lis of the French coat of arms, the crosses of St. George and the monogram of Henry VIII (HR). That is, thanks to the Scroll, we now know what the flags looked like on the ships of Tudor England, and what they usually depicted.

So, for all the conventionality of the images of the "Anthony Scroll", its value is difficult to overestimate, it is like a kind of look into the past, although not entirely and not in everything accurate.
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  1. +4
    8 May 2023 05: 58
    Many thanks to Vyacheslav! To be honest, I saw individual images, but did not know about the existence of the lists.
    I thought that the earliest more or less reliable information about the British fleet is a tradition from the middle of the XNUMXth century to make scale models of ships.
    Thanks again!
  2. +3
    8 May 2023 06: 01
    —-Thanks to the author for an interesting historical overview and rich illustrations, with a thorough explanation of the details! You can't say anything - Britain has a long naval tradition.

    —-A high bar for the author, 5++!
    1. +4
      8 May 2023 06: 40
      Thank you Michael! Thank you for your rating. "I will work even harder, - said Boxer" (J. Orwell, "Animal Farm")
  3. +3
    8 May 2023 06: 11

    The flagship "Henry Grace e'Dew" or, as it was also called, "Great Harry". Attention is drawn to the characteristic architecture of this and other similar ships, namely, high superstructures at the bow and stern. It is interesting that all decks of the ship are covered with "roofs" made of mesh,

    In addition to anti-boarding functions, according to the "scientific justifications" of shipbuilders of that era, "high superstructures" ensured the ship's windage.
    Nets above the decks saved the crew from the wreckage of the mast of their own ship. And the know-how of that time.
    The artificiality of the pattern is indicated by the location of the yards on the mainsail and foremasts.
    Thanks again!
    R.s. I'll put everyone to work, let them fire me. Why is everything so wrong!!!
    1. +3
      8 May 2023 06: 38
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      I'll put everyone to work, let them fire me. Why is everything so wrong!!!

      Dear Vladislav! You'll work until retirement, then. In the meantime, your work is pouring into the work of all decent citizens of the republic!
      1. +9
        8 May 2023 06: 57
        On July 9, 1545, King Henry VIII Tudor of England, standing on the wall of the coastal castle of Soleil, watched the exit of his fleet towards the approaching French squadron. The king's favorite flagship, the updated Mary Rose, led the formation of the ships of the royal fleet. Mary Rose - so it was named after the beloved sister of the king - Mary. The ship, recently rebuilt and re-armed, symbolized the power of the king at sea. Flags and numerous pennants flew proudly over the sea, weapons and armor of naval soldiers gleamed on the decks. Smoke drifted from the wicks of the ship's cannons and handguns.
        Suddenly, the king's entourage screamed loudly, thus expressing their grief and disappointment. The flagship, which was walking ahead and had already approached the enemy, while performing a turn, suddenly tipped over, after only a few minutes, lay sails on the water. For another ten minutes, barrels, pieces of wood, and the heads of a few swimmers swayed on the surface of the water.

        Having suddenly lost its most powerful ship, the English fleet, having picked up the survivors, lost its fighting impulse and returned to Portsmouth harbor again. True, the enemy, having seen the power of the British, did not dare to continue the attack and slowly defiled along the coast and retired.
        So, the ship that lay on the seabed was able, with its ridiculous death, to prevent the invasion of the enemy. But this was not the last milestone in the fate of the ship. The ship's agony did not last long. Within minutes, he lay down on the ground, with a roll to starboard. Among the floating wooden objects and debris, only 30 people - sailors and servants - were lifted from the water, who were on the upper deck and managed to get out of the web of gear and were not burdened with weapons and armor. Over the centuries, the place of death of the famous ship, lying not far from the coast, was found several times and lost again. Finally, in 1966, the remains of the ship were once again discovered, examined and clearly marked on the map. The survey showed that part of the starboard hull structures, part of the ship's guns and a significant number of various small household items of that period survived. Marine archaeologists have made sure that the preserved oak parts of the hull can withstand the ascent to the surface without the danger of destruction. In 1979, the Board of Trustees of the ship was established, which took up all-round preparations for raising the ship from the bottom of the Solent Strait. In 1982, this preparation was successfully completed and the lifting operation went almost without a hitch. Currently, this unique monument of the history of shipbuilding can be seen in the museum created especially for him in Portsmouth. Next to other famous monuments of the history of shipbuilding - the battleship "Victory" and the sail-propeller ship "Warrior".


        1. +6
          8 May 2023 07: 03
          The flagship of Henry VIII Tudor karakka "Mary Rose"
          The construction of the ship - the future Mary Rose - began in 1509. It was one of the largest caracques of its time. Laid down in the first dry dock in Portsmouth, she was built using the latest shipbuilding technologies and design solutions for England. For the first time, in English shipbuilding, the hull plating was used on the Mary, the side cannon ports were cut, on the lower deck, the most advanced artillery at that time was installed

          Launched in 1510, the ship was a four-masted carrack. It was 37,3 m long along the waterline, 32 m along the keel, with a maximum width of 11,4 m and a draft of 4,5 m. The maximum height of the hull structures was 13 m. The tonnage of the ship was approximately 600 combat tons. The initial displacement reached 1150 tons, the weight of the ship's ballast was 150 tons. The ship's armament included 7 heavy bronze and 34 iron guns of various calibers. The heaviest of them were placed on the two gun decks of the hull, the lighter ones on the superstructures. Usually the crew of the ship was 200 sailors, 185 naval soldiers, 30 gunners. True, in short exits, like the one that happened in 1545, up to 700 people could be on board.
          The end of hostilities between England and France in 1514 led to a reduction in the activity of the fleet and the withdrawal of the Mary Rose to the reserve. Nevertheless, the fate of the ship did not remain indifferent to the king in the period 1535 - 1536. modernization was carried out, expressed in the restructuring of the aftercastle and the replenishment of artillery weapons. This led to an increase in cargo capacity up to 700 combat tons and a displacement up to 1530 tons. Undoubtedly, this could not but cause an increase in the draft of the ship and, accordingly, the approach of the cannon ports of the lower deck to the cargo waterline. The stormy year of 1545 "Mary Rose" met in the full splendor of its combat power. The lower deck housed the first, cast in the London Arsenal, bronze ship cannons on the latest four-wheel carriages. Next to them and the deck above stood, more typical for that time, forged iron cannons, with interchangeable charging chambers, on two-wheeled archaic gun carriages. The superstructures were crowned with iron swivel falconets. Having taken on board a reinforced crew, the number of which reached 700 people, the flagship set out on its last campaign. It seemed that everything was ready and taken into account. But, shipbuilding is an exact science and does not obey royal edicts. Overloading of ship structures and a large crew reduced the freeboard unacceptably. The enlarged, during the restructuring of the superstructure, and the naval soldiers standing on the upper decks, in full armament, excessively reduced the lateral stability. Performing a sharp turn, even with a calm sea, led to the scooping up of water, open before the battle, by the lower gun ports. A sharply intensifying list threw a mass of people onto the lowered side, and the guns of the opposite side rushed there, along the rearing deck. All this further increased the rapidly increasing heeling moment. Streams of water rushed uncontrollably into the hull.
          1. +4
            8 May 2023 07: 45
            Overloading of ship structures and a large crew reduced the freeboard unacceptably. Enlarged, during the restructuring of the superstructure, and standing on the upper decks of the naval soldiers, in full armament, excessively reduced the lateral stability

            A similar reason served to "disqualify" from ships of the first rank in the frigates of the North American Constitution. The lower decks of the gun deck had to be sealed up - in connection with which the latter became the ancestor of the "big frigates".
          2. Fat
            +4
            8 May 2023 10: 19
            hi Greetings Dmitry
            Quote: Richard
            there rushed, along the rearing deck, the guns of the opposite side.

            This is impossible to imagine if you know how the guns were attached to the side of the ship. Maximum from the side to the distance that the gun carriage piping allows. But for the rest of the servants and "fittings", with such a roll, there is little that prevents them from rolling quickly smile
            1. +4
              8 May 2023 11: 15
              This is impossible to imagine if you know how the guns were attached to the side of the ship.

              The text is taken from the Mary Rose Museum in Portsmouth.
              a photo. Raised from the bottom of the gun "Mary Rose"









              How they were attached I have no idea. But if museum workers describe the death of the ship in this way, I think they can be trusted
              1. +6
                8 May 2023 11: 26
                There are also drawings and layouts of artillery on the Mary Rose.





                if you know how these guns were attached to the side of the ship and do not understand why they rolled down the rearing deck, then all the questions are for the museum workers. I can not answer - the competence does not allow.
                My respect, Andrew
                1. Fat
                  +5
                  8 May 2023 13: 25
                  Screams and noises came from the lower deck.
                  The captain and assistant rushed there, but could not break through. Gun servants climbed up the ladder in horror.
                  Something terrible has happened.
                  IV. Tormentum belli [Weapon of War (lat.)]
                  One of the caronades that make up the battery, a twenty-four-pound gun, broke loose from its chains.
                  There can be no more terrible catastrophe at sea. And there can be no worse disaster for a warship going at full speed on the high seas.
                  The cannon, freed from the shackles, in the blink of an eye turns into a fabulous beast. A dead thing becomes a monster. This colossus glides on wheels, suddenly acquiring the resemblance to a billiard ball, heels to the rhythm of the roll, dives into the rhythm of the pitch of the keel, rushes forward, rolls back, freezes in place and, as if after thinking for a minute, starts moving again; like an arrow, it rushes from side to side of the ship, circles, sneaks up, runs away again, rears up, sweeps away everything in its path, crushes, smashes, brings death and destruction. This is a ram that hits the wall on a whim. Add to that - a cast-iron ram, and a wooden wall.
                  (c) Hugo. "93"
                  Is it expressively beautiful?
                  But this is complete fiction.
                  The guns on the ship were attached in such a way that the gun had no great freedom of movement, either in combat or, especially, in the stowed position.


                  1. +6
                    8 May 2023 14: 17
                    But this is complete fiction.
                    This is not fiction at all - cases when a cannon, during pitching, fell off its mounts and smashed everything in its path, rolling, there were, though infrequently, but regularly. There is even an expression in English that has survived to this day - loose cannon - denoting an enterprising and precisely this dangerous stupid.
                    1. Fat
                      +1
                      8 May 2023 16: 31
                      hi Hello Alexander. These legends are just invented so that negligent sailors more often control the condition of the trousers and yokes. As for the very strong pitching, when this could happen, the ship itself runs the risk of sinking in a storm ...
                      I remembered: The well-known chemist K. Klaus (1796–1864), a researcher of platinum metals and the discoverer of the element ruthenium, named after Russia, came from a German family, studied in Dorpat and, during his years as a professor at Kazan University, was still not quite fluent in Russian. Working with students in a chemical laboratory, he, urging them to the utmost caution and prudence, invariably uttered a phrase that delighted his student A. Butlerov:
                      - Lord! he said importantly. - Although an explosion rarely happens, it often happens ...
                      (c) from the magazine "Technique of Youth"
                      1. +2
                        8 May 2023 16: 54
                        These legends are just invented
                        The team always had corners like railway shoes and crowbars with hooks - just in such a case, to stop a loose cannon at the moment when it is standing (when the deck is horizontal during pitching, swinging in one direction and moving in the other). Obviously not for entertainment, this whole tool was provided.
                      2. Fat
                        +4
                        8 May 2023 18: 10
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Obviously not for entertainment, this whole tool was provided.

                        Certainly not for fun. For additional fixation of the position of the gun during loading and aiming.

                        By the way, for the normal maintenance of one 24 pounds, a team of up to a dozen sailors could be required.
                      3. 0
                        16 July 2023 17: 40
                        There are six of them in the picture. And you can't see any free places?
        2. +4
          8 May 2023 09: 49
          Quote: Richard
          Having suddenly lost its most powerful ship, the English fleet, having picked up the survivors, lost its fighting impulse and returned to Portsmouth harbor again. True, the enemy, having seen the power of the British, did not dare to continue the attack and slowly defiled along the coast and retired.

          A picture is shown.
          Two fleets in parade formation are preparing for a deadly battle, both sides are full of fighting enthusiasm, their sleeves are rolled up, everyone is in their places ... The French are waiting for the British, there is a light breeze on the sea, seagulls are screaming ... The English fleet is shown from behind the cape, in front - "Mary Rose", behind her the rest, just as powerful and dangerous ...
          The cannons are pumped up to the gun ports, the boarding sabers are unsheathed, the arrows fan the fuses on the arquebuses. Now the Mary Rose will change tack, approach and start...
          "Mary Rose" begins maneuver, lays on board and sinks.
          The English fleet in parade formation turns around and proudly retires back over the cape. A curtain.
          French:

          And perhaps they can be understood. laughing
          In fact, of course, everything was a little different - the battle in the Solent Strait lasted two days, although it was not decisive, and the decision of the French to stop the invasion was influenced by the defeat of their landing parties on the Isle of Wight, as a result of which it was not possible to replenish supplies fresh water. In addition, illness began among the crews of French ships.
          1. +3
            8 May 2023 11: 12
            "Mary Rose" begins maneuver, lays on board and sinks.

            Like "Vase" - epic at maximum speed. Well, what to do, then there was no scientific school of shipbuilding. Only experience, the son of difficult mistakes.
      2. +3
        8 May 2023 07: 03
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        I'll put everyone to work, let them fire me. Why is everything so wrong!!!

        Dear Vladislav! You'll work until retirement, then. In the meantime, your work is pouring into the work of all decent citizens of the republic!

        Vyacheslav, I have been able to retire for 7 years already. The problem is different - "the situation in the country is not the one" to "celebrate a coward."
        1. +2
          8 May 2023 09: 11
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          The problem is different - "the situation in the country is not the one" to "celebrate a coward."

          Then you are doubly well done!
    2. Fat
      +2
      8 May 2023 07: 56
      hi Greetings, Vladislav.
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      The artificiality of the pattern is indicated by the location of the yards on the mainsail and foremasts.

      Of course, all the drawings of the scrolls are conditional; a model cannot be built according to such schemes.
      It looks like a guide for identifying ships by shipchandlers (supply specialists) ... Well, it’s very useful for a royal person smile

      PS Thanks Anthony Anthony. And to Vyacheslav Olegovich for telling about the scrolls
      1. +4
        8 May 2023 14: 32
        Of course, all the drawings of the scrolls are conditional; a model cannot be built according to such schemes.

        Then they already knew how to draw
        and the scientific school of shipbuilding has already begun to develop.
        1. +5
          8 May 2023 16: 27
          The Big Henry is one of the first classically built warships. Therefore, the skin and the skeleton were made at the same time - in fact, the finished skin was bursting with frames. Henry did the opposite frames and sheathed swingers. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the first to get a smooth skin, before that the British did it with an overlap.
          1. +5
            8 May 2023 17: 14
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            frames and swingers were sheathed.

            Vlad, you made me happy again. laughing
            I wanted to post a video with swingers, but I think the censors will not let it through. smile
            As for the content of the comment - yes, you are right. smile
            1. +3
              8 May 2023 19: 25
              Crooked paws are stingers.
              Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
              I know! laughing
              1. +5
                8 May 2023 23: 56
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                damn stingers.

                Stringers. laughing
                A smartphone, a dog, will fix something else. No matter how you look, you'll still miss something. smile
        2. Fat
          +2
          8 May 2023 16: 50
          For a supplier, the ability to make accurate drawings is redundant. Not a shipbuilder. To identify the ship, a silhouette is enough, and flags are not superfluous at all. Anthony created an excellent reference guide for his time. Look at the image of the "Mary Rose" and the image of the sistership "Peter Garnet" ...
  4. +2
    8 May 2023 06: 21

    Mediterranean-type galley called "Thin". One of the most carefully and authentically executed drawings from the Anthony Scroll. It is believed that Henry VIII had a special attachment to the galleys, and perhaps that is why it is drawn so diligently ... Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

    Pay attention to the bow of the galley - you can see the second row of rowers - this is me to the opponents of "multi-row ships".
    The galley is so archaic for the period described that there are no words, as well as a coal miner, a wreck, and much more.
    1. +2
      8 May 2023 11: 34
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Pay attention to the bow of the galley - you can see the second row of rowers
      Not visible: these are the oars of the other side
      1. +3
        8 May 2023 16: 27
        Quote: bk0010
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Pay attention to the bow of the galley - you can see the second row of rowers
        Not visible: these are the oars of the other side

        Attention!
  5. +4
    8 May 2023 06: 36

    "Mary Rose" Harry. Pay attention to the guns that look back at the deck from the front turret. The calculation was that the enemy would try to board the lowest place on the ship, that is, the waist. And then it will be possible to bring down fire on it from two sides at once - from the forecastle (superstructure on the bow) and from the superstructure on the poop! Illustration from "Anthony Roll"

    The recovery of the remnants of the Mary Rose showed that Anthony Anthony very accurately depicted some of the details of the vessel, for example, the Tudor rose on the forward end of the forcastle, which was found (other ships on the Scroll do not have such decoration). Yes, of course, he was neither a shipbuilder, nor a sailor, nor even a professional artist (he was an artilleryman) and depicted the ships in a somewhat stylized way, but nevertheless, the Scroll is the most valuable source of information about the ships of the fleet of Henry VIII, in particular about the appearance, sail, artillery and crew
    1. +6
      8 May 2023 06: 47
      Interesting moment: Anthony may not have seen the Mary Rose at all, who was in reserve at Portsmouth's new dock from 1522 to 1545.
      Anthony at that time supplied the Navy with beer, and in 1533 he was appointed gunner to the Tower of London and later engaged in artillery supply ... So, most likely, Anthony rarely visited Portsmouth, and even more so, he was hardly interested in ships under construction or being repaired .
      1. +3
        8 May 2023 07: 09
        Good morning Dima, apparently Anthony used some original drawings, drawings or models.
        Moreover, given the perspective, it is more likely that the models or drew from memory.
        The red anchors are a confirmation of my assumption, since the lower part of the Admiralty anchor was painted red.
        Green guns, apparently his personal observation of the condition of the bronze guns of that period.
        Then even the tradition of "portia gorg" in the English fleet did not exist!
        1. +5
          8 May 2023 07: 29
          Good morning, Vlad. Blow to the service. Shpakovsky and our comments will not go anywhere. We will definitely look forward to your return.
          Moreover, something tells me that today you will have festive events in your service, and it is possible that there will be a “portion of grog” wink
          1. +4
            8 May 2023 07: 47
            Uh-huh Dima, but not with us, but with the masses !!! drinks
        2. +3
          8 May 2023 14: 07
          Good morning Dima, apparently Anthony used some original drawings, drawings or models.
          Moreover, given the perspective, it is more likely that the models or drew from memory.

          At that time, such schematic representations of ships were, in modern terms, standard for artists. Moreover, there is a version that Anthony Roll was not drawn by Anthony Anthony himself, but by his brother, the Flemish artist and cartographer Cornelis Antoniszoon.
        3. Fat
          +2
          8 May 2023 17: 31
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Green guns, apparently his personal observation of the condition of the bronze guns of that period.

          Then the red iron anchors also speak directly about their condition, don't you think? smile
      2. +3
        8 May 2023 13: 10
        Anthony at that time supplied the Navy with beer, and in 1533 he was appointed gunner to the Tower of London and later engaged in artillery supply ... So, most likely, Anthony rarely visited Portsmouth, and even more so, he was hardly interested in ships under construction or being repaired .

        Anthony Anthony has never been a gunner. He was an official of the Board of Ordnance - the Board of Ordnance, which was located in the Tower. The tasks of his (council) included
        to act as custodian of the lands, storehouses, and forts necessary for the defense of the kingdom and its overseas possessions, and as a supplier of ammunition and equipment to both the army and navy

        Anthony Anthony, apparently, held a fairly high position Clerk of the Ordnance - in modern terms - head of the supply department. By virtue of his official duties, he could not but visit the artillery arsenals of the shipyards of Chatham, Davenport, Portsmouth, Sheerness and Woolwich on a regular basis and could not help but have information about ships under construction and repair, since equipping these ships with artillery was his direct responsibility.
        1. +3
          8 May 2023 18: 16
          Anthony Anthony has never been a gunner.

          Do not judge strictly. You speak English, and I have to translate English sites with a Google translator, and he still gives out not such pearls smile
          1. +3
            8 May 2023 18: 34
            Do not judge strictly.

            I am far from being critical. I just occasionally add clarifications if I have the information.
  6. +3
    8 May 2023 08: 13
    I agree with the author that Anthony used his artistic vision in the image.
    If I am not mistaken, the Mary Rose was overhauled in 1536 when more heavy guns were added and her decks were strengthened.
    The quarterdeck housed guns aimed at the waist.


    Previously, I watched a historical film dedicated to "Mary Rose" for a long time, now I found it only in the English version:
  7. +3
    8 May 2023 09: 53
    Another fighting carrack of the Tudor fleet with rows of cannon ports along the sides is the Fat Man ship.

    "Fat man" in Old English fætt, in modern fatty.
    And the ship in the illustration is called carrack Pansy. In modern English, the word has taken on a meaning that clearly does not fit the ship (effeminate), but in Old English this word denoted a violet flower.
    This ship is known for capturing the Scottish ship Lion as a trophy in 1547.
    1. +3
      8 May 2023 10: 17
      Quote: sergej_84
      in Old English, this word denoted a violet flower.

      How interesting! Didn't know anything about it...
    2. +5
      8 May 2023 10: 46
      in Old English, this word denoted a violet flower.
      And now they signify
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansy
      - the meaning of "effeminate" belongs to slang. Now, however, it is rarely used - more often they say "fairy" - a fairy (not in slang, but like a cockerel wassat ).
  8. 0
    9 May 2023 10: 57
    Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
    Of course, all the drawings of the scrolls are conditional; a model cannot be built according to such schemes.

    Then they already knew how to draw
    and the scientific school of shipbuilding has already begun to develop.


    Developed.
    I have a volume on multi-gun French, where progress from 1650 to 1850 according to the same drawings and plans is visible to the naked eye.
  9. 0
    9 May 2023 11: 00
    Quote: sergej_84
    In modern English, the word has acquired a meaning that clearly does not fit the ship (effeminate)


    Ummm, is it okay that in English there is still a warship - "She", that is, "She"?
    1. Fat
      +1
      9 May 2023 13: 08
      hi
      Quote: deddem
      Quote: sergej_84
      In modern English, the word has acquired a meaning that clearly does not fit the ship (effeminate)


      Ummm, is it okay that in English there is still a warship - "She", that is, "She"?

      This is a tradition. Apparently this "terrible sexism", like other wonderful traditional forms of relationships, will soon be a thing of the past in the United Kingdom ...
      And... Yes...
      In 2002, Lloyd's List, the oldest nautical publication, decided to abandon this practice, moving to the common neuter gender for all inanimate objects in the English language. “This is a trend in the world of maritime business,” wrote editor Julian Bray, “Ships are maritime real estate. The world is evolving. flimsy fishing boat is not suitable"

      You can check if you want
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388373/Lloyds-List-sinks-the-tradition-of-calling-ships-she.html
      wassat
    2. +2
      9 May 2023 18: 51
      Ummm, is it okay that in English there is still a warship - "She", that is, "She"?

      Firstly - not combat, but any. Secondly - in German - too. So what? By the way, in Latin - feminine.
  10. +1
    9 May 2023 17: 30
    Interestingly, the Tudors themselves are a completely random dynasty that jumped out as a result of a long war between the Lancasters and Yorks, as well as Monmouth hanging between them.
    Like our Romanovs - an unexpected result of the Troubles and the struggle for the throne.