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Women of liberated Europe through the eyes of Soviet soldiers and officers (1944-1945)

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In the development of the topic and in addition to the article Elena Senyavskaya “The Red Army in Europe in 1945: Old and new stereotypes of perception in Russia and in the West”, posted on the 10 website in May of 2012, we bring to the attention of readers a new article by the same author, published in the journal “Scientific notes of Petrozavodsk State University”, May, 2012. No.3 (124). C. 13-19.

Women of liberated Europe through the eyes of Soviet soldiers and officers (1944-1945)At the final stage of the Great Patriotic War, freeing Soviet territory occupied by the Germans and their satellites and pursuing a retreating enemy, the Red Army crossed the state border of the USSR. From that moment on, its victorious path began across Europe — both those that had languished under fascist occupation for six years, and those who acted as an ally of the Third Reich in this war, and on the territory of Hitler’s Germany itself. In the course of this advance to the West and the inevitable diverse contacts with the local population, the Soviet military personnel, who had never been outside their own country, received quite a few new, rather contradictory impressions about the representatives of other peoples and cultures, from which they later formed ethno-psychological stereotypes of their perception of Europeans . Among these impressions the most important place was occupied by the image of European women. Mentions, and even detailed stories about them are found in letters and diaries, in the pages of the memoirs of many participants in the war, where lyrical and cynical evaluations and intonations most often alternate.

The first European country to which the Red Army entered in August 1944 was Romania. In the “Notes on the War” by the poet-front-line soldier Boris Slutsky we find quite frank lines: “Sudden, almost pushed into the sea, Constanza opens. It almost coincides with the average dream of happiness and the "after the war." Restaurants Bathrooms. Beds with clean linen. Shop with reptile sellers. And - women, elegant urban women - girls of Europe - the first tribute we took from the vanquished ... "[1] Next, he describes his first impressions of the" abroad ":" European hairdressing salons, where they do not wash brushes, absence of a bath, washing from the pelvis, “where at first the dirt from the hands remains, and then the face is washed”, feather beds instead of blankets - out of disgust caused by life, immediate generalizations were made ... In Constanta, we first met brothels ... Our first enthusiasm for the fact of the existence of free love quickly passes. It affects not only the fear of infection and the high cost, but also the contempt for the very possibility of buying a person ... Many were proud of the type: the Romanian husband complains to the commandant that our officer did not pay his wife one and a half thousand lei. Everybody had a clear consciousness: “It is impossible with us” ... Probably, our soldiers will remember Romania as a country of syphilitics ... ”[2]. And he concludes that it was in Romania, this European backwater, that “our soldier most of all felt his elevation above Europe” [3].

Another Soviet officer, Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Fedor Smolnikov 17 of September 1944 wrote in his diary his impressions of Bucharest: “The Ambasador Hotel, a restaurant, the lower floor. I see an idle audience walking, she has nothing to do, she is waiting. They look at me as unusual. “Russian officer !!!” I am very modestly dressed, more than modestly. Let be. We will still be in Budapest. This is as true as the fact that I am in Bucharest. First class restaurant. The audience is dressed up, the most beautiful Romanian eyes defiantly {Hereinafter highlighted by the author of the article}. We spend the night in a first-class hotel. Burlit metropolitan street. There is no music, the audience is waiting. The capital, damn it! I will not give in to advertising ... "[4]

In Hungary, the Soviet army was confronted not only with armed resistance, but also with insidious backstabs from the population, when they “killed drunks and stragglers alone in the farmsteads” and drowned them in silage pits. However, “women who were not as depraved as Romanians were inferior with shameful ease ... A little bit of love, a little bit of confusion, and most of all, of course, fear helped” [5]. To quote the words of a Hungarian lawyer, “It’s very good that Russians love children so much. It’s too bad that they love women so much ”, Boris Slutsky comments:“ He didn’t take into account that Hungarian women loved Russians too, that along with dark fear that spread matron knees and mothers of families, there was the tenderness of girls and the desperate tenderness of female soldiers who gave themselves in to the killers their husbands [6].

Grigory Chukhrai in his memoirs described such a case in Hungary. Its part was housed in one place. The owners of the house, where he himself settled with the fighters, during the feast “under the influence of Russian vodka relaxed and confessed that they were hiding their daughter in the attic”. Soviet officers were indignant: “For whom do you take us? We are not fascists! ” “The hosts were ashamed, and soon a lean girl, named Marika, appeared at the table and eagerly began to eat. Then, having become accustomed, she began to flirt and even ask us questions ... By the end of the dinner, everyone was in a friendly mood and drank for “borotshaz” (friendship). Marika understood this toast too straightforward. When we went to bed, she appeared in my room in a single bottom shirt. As a Soviet officer, I immediately realized: a provocation was being prepared. “They expect me to be tempted by the charms of Marika, and they will make a fuss. But I will not give in to provocation, ”I thought. And the delights of Marika did not deceive me - I pointed out the door to her.

The next morning, the hostess, putting food on the table, rumbled with dishes. “Nervous. The provocation failed! ”I thought. I shared this thought with our Hungarian translator. He burst out laughing.

- No, this is not a provocation! You expressed a friendly disposition, and you neglected it. Now you are not considered to be a person in this house. You need to move to another apartment!

“Why did they hide their daughter in the attic?”

- They were afraid of violence. We have accepted that a girl, with the approval of her parents, can experience intimacy with many men before entering into marriage. We say: do not buy a cat in a tied bag ... "[7]

Young, physically healthy men had a natural craving for women. But the ease of European customs of someone from the Soviet fighters corrupted, and someone, on the contrary, convinced that the relationship should not be reduced to a simple physiology. Sergeant Alexander Rodin recorded his impressions of the visit - out of curiosity! - a brothel in Budapest, where its part stood for some time after the end of the war: “... After the departure, there was a disgusting, shameful sensation of lies and falsehood, there was no picture of the woman’s obvious, overt pretense ... It is interesting that such an unpleasant aftertaste Not only did I stay from visiting a brothel, a youngster who was also brought up on principles like “not to give a kiss without love, but also for the majority of our soldiers with whom I had to talk ... Around the same days I had to talk with one pretty madyarke (o and somehow I knew the Russian language). When I asked her if I liked it in Budapest, I answered that I liked it, only brothels confuse me. “But why?” The girl asked. Because it is unnatural, wildly, - I explained: - a woman takes the money and after that, immediately begins to “love!” The girl thought for a while, then nodded in agreement and said: “You're right: take the money forward ugly” ... »[8]

Other impressions left Poland. According to the testimony of the poet David Samoilov, “... in Poland they kept us in strictness. From the location sneak was difficult. And pranks were severely punished ”[9]. And he gives impressions of this country, where the beauty of Polish women acted as the only positive moment. “I can’t say that we liked Poland very much,” he wrote. - Then it did not meet me noble and knightly. On the contrary, everything was petty bourgeois, farmer - and concepts and interests. Yes, in Eastern Poland they also looked at us cautiously and half-hostilely, trying to tear as many as possible from the liberators. However, the women were comfortingly beautiful and flirtatious, they captivated us with a circling, cooing speech, where everything suddenly became clear, and they themselves were captivated by sometimes coarse masculine power or soldier's uniform. And the pale, emaciated former fans, gritting their teeth, went into the shadows before time ... ”[10].

But not all the estimates of Polish women looked so romantic. 22 in October 1944. Junior Lieutenant Vladimir Gelfand wrote in his diary: “In the distance loomed the city I left with the Polish name [Vladov], with beautiful Polish girls proud to disgust. ... They told me about Polish women: they lured our fighters and officers into their arms, and when they reached the bed, they cut off the penis with a razor, choked them by the throat, scratched their eyes. Crazy, wild, ugly females! You need to be careful with them and not be carried away by their beauty. And the Poles are beautiful, scum ”[11]. However, there are other moods in his notes. 24 of October, he fixes such a meeting: “Today, my companions to one of the villages were beautiful Polish girls. They complained about the lack of guys in Poland. They also called me "pan", but they were inviolable. I patted one of them gently on the shoulder, in response to her remark about men, and comforted me with the thought of the road open for her to Russia - there are many men there. She hurried to step aside, and answered my words that there would be men for her too. Say goodbye to shaking hands. So we did not agree, but glorious girls, even though they were there ”[12]. A month later, on November 22, he wrote down his impressions of the first large Polish city of Minsk-Mazowiecki, and among the descriptions of architectural beauty and the number of bicycles that struck him, all groups of the population devote a special place to the townspeople: women, as one, in white special hats, apparently from the wind put on, which make them look like forty and surprise with their novelty. Men in triangular hats, in hats - thick, neat, empty. How many of them! ... Painted sponges, failed eyebrows, primitiveness, excessive delicacy. Like this is not like the natural life of man. It seems that people themselves live and move on purpose just to be watched by others, and everyone will disappear when the last spectator leaves the city ... ”[13]

Not only Polish city women, but also the villagers left a strong, though contradictory impression about themselves. “The poles who survived the horrors of war and German occupation were amazed,” recalled Alexander Rodin. - Sunday in the Polish village. Beautiful, elegant, in silk dresses and stockings, polka women, who on weekdays are ordinary peasant women, scoop up manure, barefoot, work tirelessly in the household. Older women also look fresh and young. Although there are black frames around the eyes ..."[14] Next, he quotes his diary entry from 5 November 1944 G.:" Sunday, the residents are all dressed up. Going to each other for a visit. Men in felt hats, ties, jumpers. Women in silk dresses, bright, unworn stockings. Rosy-cheeky girls - "little pancakes." Beautifully curled blond hairstyles ... The soldiers in the corner of the hut are also quickened. But who is sensitive, will notice that this is a painful revival. All raised laughed loudly to show that it doesn’t care for them, does not even hurt and is not jealous at all. And what are we, worse than them? God knows what kind of happiness this is - a peaceful life! You see, I didn’t see her at all! ”[15] His fellow soldier Sergeant Nikolai Nesterov wrote in his diary on the same day:“ Today is a day off, Poles, nicely dressed, gather in one hut and sit in pairs. Even somehow it does not feel like it. Wouldn't I have been able to sit like that? .. ”[16]

Where ruthless in their assessment of "European customs", resembling a "feast during the plague," the serviceman Galina Yartseva. 24 February 1945. She wrote to a friend from the front: “... If I had the opportunity, I could send wonderful packages of their trophy items. There is something. It would be our plowed and naked. What cities I saw, what men and women. And looking at them, you take possession of such evil, such hatred! They walk, love, live, and you go and release them. They laugh at the Russians - "Schwein!" Yes Yes! Bastards ... I do not love anyone except the USSR, except for those peoples who live with us. I do not believe in any friendship with the Poles and other Lithuanians ... ”[17].

In Austria, where Soviet troops burst in the spring of 1945, they were faced with a “total capitulation”: “Entire villages were led by white rags. Older women raised their hands up when they met a man in the Red Army uniform ”[18]. It is here, according to B. Slutsky, that the soldiers “seized upon the fair-haired women”. At the same time, “the Austrians were not overly resilient. The overwhelming majority of peasant girls married "spoiled". Soldiers, vacationers felt like Christ in his bosom. In Vienna, our guide, a bank official, was amazed at the Russians' perseverance and impatience. He believed that gallantry is enough to make the wreaths have everything that you want ”[19]. That is, it was not only in fear, but also in certain features of the national mentality and traditional behavior.

And finally, Germany. And the women of the enemy - mothers, wives, daughters, sisters of those who, from 1941-th to 1944-th year, sneered at the civilian population in the occupied territory of the USSR. How did the Soviet soldiers see them? The appearance of the Germans walking in the crowd of refugees is described in the diary of Vladimir Bogomolov: “Women, old and young, are wearing hats, a turban and just a canopy, like our women’s, in elegant coats with fur collars and in frayed, incomprehensible tailoring . Many women wear dark glasses in order not to squint from the bright May sun and thus protect their faces from wrinkles.... ”[20] Lev Kopelev recalled a meeting in Allenstein with evacuated berlinki:“ There are two women on the sidewalk. Intricate caps, one even with a veil. High-quality coats, and themselves smooth, sleek ”[21]. And he brought the soldiers' comments to them: "hens," "turkeys," "that would be so smooth ..."

How did the Germans behave when they met with Soviet troops? In the report of the deputy. Chief of the Main Political Directorate of the Red Army Shikin in the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) GF Alexandrov of 30 on April 1945 regarding the attitude of the civilian population of Berlin to the personnel of the Red Army said: “As soon as our units occupy a particular district of the city, the inhabitants gradually begin to take to the streets, almost all of them have white armbands on their sleeves. When meeting with our servicemen, many women raise their hands up, cry and shake with fear, but as soon as they are convinced that the soldiers and officers of the Red Army are not at all the way their fascist propaganda drew them, this fear quickly passes, more and more people take to the streets and offer their services, trying to emphasize their loyalty to the Red Army ”[22].

The submissiveness and prudence of the German women made the greatest impression on the winners. In this regard, it is worthwhile to quote the story of the mortarist N. Orlov, who was shocked by the behavior of German women in 1945: “Nobody in the Minbat killed civilian Germans. Our special person was "Germanophil". If this happened, the reaction of the punitive organs to such an excess would be quick. About the abuse of German women. It seems to me that some, talking about such a phenomenon, "exaggerate" a little. I have another kind of example in mind. We went to some German city, settled in houses. “Frau”, years 45-ti, appears and asks “Hera the commandant”. They brought her to Marchenko. She claims to be responsible for the quarter, and 20 gathered German women for the sexual (!!!) service of Russian soldiers. Marchenko understood German, and Dolmany Borodov, who was standing next to me, I translated the meaning of what was said by a German. The reaction of our officers was angry and abusive. They drove the German, along with her ready-to-serve "squad." In general, the German submissiveness stunned us. Waited from the Germans guerrilla war, sabotage. But for this nation, order - “Ordnung” - is paramount. If you are a winner, then they are “on their hind legs”, moreover, deliberately and not under duress. This is the psychology ... ”[23].

A similar case is cited in his military notes by David Samoilov: “In Arendsfeld, where we had just settled down, there was a small crowd of women with children. They were led by a huge whiskered German woman of about fifty - Frau Friedrich. She stated that she was a representative of the civilian population and asked to register the remaining residents. We replied that this could be done as soon as the commandant’s office appeared.

“That is impossible,” said Frau Friedrich. - Here are women and children. They need to register.

The peaceful population confirmed it with tears and tears.

Not knowing what to do, I invited them to take the basement of the house where we were located. And they reassured went down to the basement and began to be placed there awaiting the authorities.

“Herr Commissioner,” Frau Friedrich told me complacently (I was wearing a leather jacket). “We understand that soldiers have small needs.” They are ready, - continued Frau Friedrich, - to give them a few younger women for ...

I did not continue the conversation with Frau Friedrich ”[24].

After talking with the residents of Berlin 2 in May 1945, Vladimir Bogomolov wrote in his diary: “We are entering one of the surviving houses. Everything is quiet, dead. Knocking, please open. It is heard that they are whispering in the corridor, deafly and excitedly talking. Finally the door opens. The women of the same age, confused in a close group, are frightened, bowing low and obsequiously. German women are afraid of us, they were told that Soviet soldiers, especially Asians, would rape and kill them ... Fear and hatred on their faces. But sometimes it seems that they like to be defeated - their behavior is so precautionary, their smiles and sweet words are so sweet. On these days, stories about how our soldier went into a German apartment, asked to get drunk, and the German, barely envied him, lay down on the sofa and took off her leotard [25].

“All Germans are depraved. They have nothing against sleeping with them "[26], - such an opinion was common in the Soviet troops and was supported not only by many illustrative examples, but also by their unpleasant consequences, which the military physicians soon discovered.

The Directive of the Military Council 1 of the Belarusian Front No. 00343 / Ш of 15 on April 1945 stated: “During the stay of the troops on the territory of the enemy, cases of venereal diseases among military men sharply increased. The study of the reasons for this situation shows that venereal diseases are widespread among Germans. The Germans before the retreat, as well as now, in the territory we occupied, took the path of artificially infecting syphilis and gonorrhea to German women in order to create large foci for the spread of sexually transmitted diseases among the soldiers of the Red Army»[27].

47 Military Council 26 of April 1945 reported that "... In March, the number of sexually transmitted diseases among military personnel increased compared with February of this year. four times. ... The female population of Germany in the surveyed areas is affected by 8-15%. There are cases when the enemy specifically left out sick women with venereal diseases of a German woman to infect soldiers ”[28].

To implement the Decree of the Military Council 1 of the Belarusian Front No. 056 of 18 on April 1945, for the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases in the troops of the 33 Army, the following leaflet was issued:

“Comrades soldiers!

You are seduced by Germans, whose husbands went around all the brothels of Europe, became infected themselves and infected their German women.

In front of you are those Germans who were specially left by the enemies in order to spread venereal diseases and thereby incapacitate the soldiers of the Red Army.

We must understand that our victory over the enemy is near and that you will soon be able to return to your families.

What kind of eyes will the one who brings a contagious disease look into the eyes of his relatives?

Can we, warriors of the heroic Red Army, be a source of contagious diseases in our country? NOT! For the moral character of the warrior of the Red Army must be as pure as the image of his Motherland and family! ”[29]

Practical Germans were most concerned with the question of food supply, for their sake they were ready for almost everything. So, a certain MD Calisturh, in a conversation with his colleagues on the attitude of the Red Army to the German population, said: “We can not hide the fact that I personally saw the poor attitude of individual Russian soldiers to our women, but I said that the war the main thing is that our soldiers and especially the SS men behaved much worse towards Russian women. - and immediately added without a transition: - I was very worried about the food issue ... ”[30].

Even in the memoirs of Lev Kopelev, with anger describing the facts of violence and looting of Soviet soldiers in East Prussia, there are lines reflecting the other side of the “relationship” with the local population: “They told about submissiveness, servility, ingratiating Germans: a loaf of bread and wives and daughters sell ”[31]. The squeamish tone that Kopelev conveys these "stories" implies their unreliability. However, they are confirmed by many sources.

Vladimir Gelfand described in his diary his wooing for a German girl (the record was made six months after the end of the war, 26 in October 1945, but still very characteristic): “I wanted to enjoy pretty caressing pretty Margot - only kisses and hugs were not enough. He expected more, but did not dare to demand and insist. The girl's mother was pleased with me. Still would! Candy and butter, sausage, expensive German cigarettes were brought to the altar of trust and location by my relatives. Already half of these products are enough to have the fullest reason and the right to do anything with a daughter in front of her mother, and she will not say anything against it. For food today is more expensive than even life, and even such a young and sweet sensual woman, like the tender beauty Margot ”[32].

An interesting diary entry was made by the Australian war correspondent Osmar White, who in 1944-1945. was in Europe in the ranks of the 3 of the American Army under the command of George Paton. Here is what he recorded in Berlin 1945 in May, literally a few days after the assault ended: “I walked around the night cabaret, starting with Femini near Potsdammerplatz. It was a warm and humid evening. The smell of sewage and rotting corpses stood in the air. The facade of "Femina" was covered with futuristic pictures of nudity and ads in four languages. The dance hall and restaurant were filled with Russian, British and American officers who accompanied the women (or who were hunting them). A bottle of wine cost 25 dollars, a horse-made hamburger and potatoes - 10 dollars, a pack of American cigarettes - breathtaking 20 dollars. The cheeks of the Berlin women were rouge, and their lips were painted so that it seemed that Hitler won the war. Many women were in silk stockings. The lady of the evening opened the concert in German, Russian, English and French. This triggered the barbate on the part of the captain of the Russian artillery, who was sitting next to me. He leaned toward me and said in decent English: “Such a quick transition from national to international! RAF bombs are excellent professors, aren’t they? ”[33]

The general impression of European women among Soviet servicemen is sleek and elegant (in comparison with war-weary compatriots in a half-starved rear, on lands liberated from occupation, and with front-girlfriends dressed in sweaters), accessible, self-serving, dispersed or cowardly submissive. The exception was the Yugoslav women and Bulgarians. Severe and ascetic Yugoslav partisans were perceived as comrades in arms and were considered inviolable. And given the severity of morals in the Yugoslav army, "the partisan girls probably looked at PPG [marching field wives] as creatures of a special, nasty sort" [34]. Boris Slutsky recalled the Bulgarian way: “... After the Ukrainian complacency, after the Romanian debauchery, the severe inaccessibility of the Bulgarian women struck our people. Almost no one boasted victories. It was the only country where officers were often accompanied by men at a party, almost never by women. Later, the Bulgarians were proud when they were told that the Russians were going to return to Bulgaria to get brides - the only ones in the world who remained clean and untouched ”[35].

A pleasant impression was left by the Czech beauties, who joyfully met the Soviet soldiers-liberators. Embarrassed tankers from oil-and-dust-covered combat vehicles decorated with wreaths and flowers said among themselves: “... Something like a bride's tank to clean it up. And their girls, know yourself, fasten. Good people. I have not seen such a spiritual people for a long time ... ”The friendliness and cordiality of the Czechs was sincere. “... If it were possible, I would have kissed all the soldiers and officers of the Red Army because they liberated my Prague,” a worker of the Prague tram said [36] to the common friendly and approving laughter, ” the Czech capital and the mood of the locals 11 May 1945 Boris Poleva.

But in other countries through which the army of winners passed, the female part of the population did not arouse respect. “In Europe, women surrendered, changed before all ... - wrote B. Slutsky. - I was always shocked, confused, disoriented ease, shameful ease of love relationships. Decent women, of course, disinterested, resembled prostitutes - hastily accessibility, a desire to avoid intermediate stages, no interest in motives pushing a man to come closer to them. Like people who recognized three obscene words from the entire vocabulary of love lyrics, they reduced the whole thing to several gestures, causing resentment and contempt from the most yellow-headed of our officers ... not ethics, but fear of getting infected, fear of publicity before pregnancy ”were restraining impulses” [37], - and added that in the conditions of conquest, "universal depravity covered and hid particular female depravity, made it invisible and not shameful" [38].

However, among the motives that contributed to the spread of "international love", despite all the bans and harsh orders of the Soviet command, there were several more: women's curiosity towards the "exotic" lovers and the unprecedented Russian generosity to the object of their sympathies, distinguishing them favorably from the stingy European men.

Junior Lieutenant Daniel Zlatkin at the very end of the war was in Denmark, on the island of Borngolm. In his interview, he said that the interest of Russian men and European women to each other was mutual: “We didn’t see women, but it was necessary ... And when we arrived in Denmark ... it’s free, please. They wanted to test, test, try a Russian man, what it is, how it is, and it seemed to work out better than the Danes. Why? We were unselfish and kind ... I gave a box of chocolates at half the table, I gave 100 roses to an unfamiliar woman ... for my birthday ... "[39]

At the same time, few people thought about serious relations, about marriage, in view of the fact that the Soviet leadership clearly stated its position on this issue. The Decree of the Military Council of the 4 of the Ukrainian Front of 12 on April 1945 said: “1. Explain to all officers and all personnel of the front, that marriage with foreign women is illegal and is strictly prohibited. 2. About all cases of military servicemen’s marriage to foreigners, as well as about our people’s relations with hostile elements of foreign states, inform us immediately on command to bring those responsible to justice for the loss of vigilance and violation of Soviet laws ”[40]. A directive issued by 1 April 14, the Chief of the Political Directorate of the 1945 Belorussian Front, read: “According to the Chief of the NKO Department of Personnel, the Center continues to receive statements from officers of the current army with a request to authorize marriages with women of foreign countries (Polish, Bulgarian, Czech and etc.). Such facts should be considered as a dulling of vigilance and a dulling of patriotic feelings. Therefore, it is necessary in the political and educational work to draw attention to a deep explanation of the inadmissibility of such acts by the officers of the Red Army. Explain to all officers, who do not understand the futility of such marriages, the inexpediency of marrying foreign women, up to a direct prohibition, and not allowing a single case ”[41].

And women didn’t use their illusions about the intentions of their gentlemen. “At the beginning of 1945, even the most stupid Hungarian peasant women did not believe our promises. European women were already aware of the fact that they forbid us to marry foreign women, and suspected that there was a similar order also about a joint appearance in a restaurant, cinema, etc. This did not prevent them from loving our Lovelessers, but gave this love a purely “ouidum” [carnal] character ”[42],” wrote B. Slutsky.

In general, it should be recognized that the image of European women, formed by the soldiers of the Red Army in 1944-1945, with rare exceptions, turned out to be very far from the suffering figure with chained hands, looking hopefully from the Soviet poster "Europe will be free!" .

Notes
[1] Slutsky B. Notes on the war. Poems and ballads. SPb., 2000. C. 174.
[2] Ibid. S. 46-48.
[3] Ibid. S. 46-48.
[4] Smolnikov FM We are fighting! Diary of a front-line soldier. Letters from the front. M., 2000. C. 228-229.
[5] Slutsky B. Decree. cit. C. 110, 107.
[6] Ibid. S. 177.
[7] Chukhrai G. My war. M .: Algorithm, 2001. C. 258-259.
[8] Rodin A. Three thousand kilometers in the saddle. Diaries. M., 2000. C. 127.
[9] Samoilov D. People of one option. From the war notes // Aurora. 1990. No. 2. C. 67.
[10] Ibid. S. 70-71.
[11] Gelfand V.N. Blogs 1941-1946. http://militera.lib.ru/db/gelfand_vn/05.html
[12] Ibid.
[13] Ibid.
[14] Rodin A. Three thousand kilometers in the saddle. Diaries. M., 2000. C. 110.
[15] Ibid. S. 122-123.
[16] Ibid. S. 123.
[17] Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. F. 372. Op. 6570. D; 76. L. 86.
[18] Slutsky B. Decree. cit. C. 125.
[19] Ibid. S. 127-128.
[20] Bogomolov V.O. Germany Berlin. Spring 1945 th // Bogomolov V.O. My life, did you dream of me? .. M .: Magazine "Our Contemporary", №№ 10-12, 2005, № 1, 2006. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov_vo/03.html
[21] Kopelev L. Keep forever. In 2 pr. Book 1: Parts of 1-4. M .: Terra, 2004. Ch. 11. http://lib.rus.ec/b/137774/read#t15
[22] Russian State Archive of Social and Political stories (further - RGASPI). F. 17. Op. 125. D. 321. L. 10-12.
[23] From N.Orlov's interview on the “I Remember” website. http://www.iremember.ru/minometchiki/orlov-naum-aronovich/stranitsa-6.html
[24] Samoilov D. Decree. cit. C. 88.
[25] Bogomolov V.O. My life, or you dreamed me? .. // Our contemporary. 2005. No. 10-12; 2006. No. 1. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov_vo/03.html
[26] From the Political Announcement on communicating directives to comrade personnel. Stalin No. 11072 from 20.04.1945 G. in the 185 Rifle Division. 26 April 1945 d. Cit. by: Bogomolov V.O. Decree. cit. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov_vo/02.html
[27] Cit. by: Bogomolov V.O. Decree. cit. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov_vo/02.html
[28] Ibid.
[29] Ibid.
[30] State Archive of the Russian Federation. F. p-xnumx. Op. 9401. D. 2. L.96.
[31] Kopelev L. Decree. cit. Ch. 12. http://lib.rus.ec/b/137774/read#t15
[32] Gelfand V.N. Decree. cit.
[33] White Osmar. Conquerors' Road: An Eyewitness Account of Germany 1945. Cambridge University Press, 2003 [1996]. XVII, 221 pp. http://www.argo.net.au/andre/osmarwhite.html
[34] Slutsky B. Decree. cit. C. 99.
[35] Ibid. S. 71.
[36] Field B. Liberation of Prague // From the Soviet Information Bureau ... Publicism and essays of the war years. 1941-1945. T. 2. 1943-1945. M .: Publisher APN, 1982. C. 439.
[37] Ibid. S. 177-178.
[38] Ibid. S. 180.
[39] From an interview with D.F. Zlatkin from 16 June 1997. // Personal archive.
[40] Cit. by: Bogomolov V.O. Decree. cit. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/bogomolov_vo/04.html
[41] Ibid.
[42] Slutsky B. Decree. cit. C. 180-181.

The article was prepared with the financial support of the Russian Humanitarian Science Foundation, project No. 11-01-00363.


The design used Soviet poster 1944 g. "Europe will be free!". Artist V.Koretsky
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Poster "Europe will be free!" Hood V. Koretsky, 1944
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 30 November 2012 08: 27
    +63
    Russian and Soviet soldiers never fought with women and children. There are no facts in our history when the Russian army raped the cities and lands of the vanquished. We have every right to be proud of our ancestors who, defeating the enemy, remained people who did not descend to cheap revenge on everyone.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 20
      -6
      People are different, so it’s better not to generalize ...
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 30 November 2012 16: 34
        +15
        If they were like that 60 years ago, what is there to be surprised at today's tolerance ...
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 30 November 2012 13: 53
      +7
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Russian and Soviet soldiers never fought with women and children. There are no facts in our history when the Russian army raped the cities and lands of the vanquished. We have every right to be proud of our ancestors who, defeating the enemy, remained people who did not descend to cheap revenge on everyone.

      I believe this photo will complement your words.
      1. Dikremnij
        Dikremnij 30 November 2012 16: 43
        +31
        Very interesting and informative article, thanks a lot to the author.
        I would like to clarify about the beauty of European women: recently I was in Austria, Hungary and Bavaria, and so, there are very few beautiful girls there, compared to ours, because they are generally crocodiles (though there are beauties sometimes among Hungarians). The evil looks of young Austrians towards our, Ukrainian, girls were very clearly remembered. And then, as I decided to meet a beautiful girl in Vienna, I met Tanya from Minsk.
        So you need to love, respect and value our women, and do not pursue Western ideals of beauty, which are based on silicone, plastic of the whole body and the desire to adopt and adopt children from around the globe in pursuit of PR.
        1. Ziksura
          Ziksura 30 November 2012 23: 25
          +5
          Quote: Dikremnij
          From myself I would like to clarify about the beauty of European women

          Everything is simple to primitiveness. A few years of blood, dirt, and an almost purely male team .... Here you have any sleek and well-groomed female cockadil- Miss Universe.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 1 December 2012 00: 18
          +16
          Quote: Dikremnij
          I would like to clarify on my own about the beauty of European women: just recently I was in Austria, Hungary and Bavaria, and so, there are very few beautiful girls there, in comparison with ours, because they are generally crocodiles


          Tukt agree with you. they have 300 years of beautiful and sexy women burned at the stake, like witches. The gene pool is broken. And not ten or twenty women were burning, but tens of thousands of beauties! And then - at the genetic level there is a replenishment of the human population from "beauties by the residual principle "... Here you have the result! The Inquisition did not touch the Slavs, therefore, the whole of Europe recognizes the beauty of women of Slavic nationalities - Russians, Ukrainians, representatives of Serbia, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Poland, Belarus, etc. Here we should talk about healthy genetic beauty inherent in a woman by nature, if this chain is broken then healthy beauty will not be the rule but an exception. Remember in the Russian villages they said - we have girls as a selection, blood with milkAlas in modern geyrop shapeless dried vobla prevail
          1. haron
            haron 1 December 2012 17: 20
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            they have 300 years of beautiful and sexy women burned at the stake, like witches.

            Ascetic.
            I will put forward another theory, no less extravagant.
            All beautiful women in western Europe died of syphilis after the discovery of America (the epidemics of this frivolous pathology are known), moreover, syphilitics cannot leave full-fledged offspring. It is not difficult to connect beauty and syphilis wink It is also not difficult to link the traditions of extramarital affairs (or rather its impossibility) among residents of eastern and southeastern Europe.
            The probability of the total destruction of "beauty" in this way is more real than a hundred thousand bonfires.

          2. YuDDP
            YuDDP 2 December 2012 01: 30
            +4
            If there are many ugly women with ugly figures around, then you are in Israel ...
          3. Pusher
            Pusher 3 December 2012 15: 59
            0
            That's for sure, their gene pool is degenerating ...
          4. vyatom
            vyatom 3 December 2012 17: 40
            0
            Has been to Germany repeatedly. With rare exceptions, the Germans are very scary. And they spread their legs in front of us at the click. What muck.
        3. M. Peter
          M. Peter 1 December 2012 08: 36
          +5
          Quote: Dikremnij
          I would like to clarify about the beauty of European women: recently I was in Austria, Hungary and Bavaria, and so, there are very few beautiful girls there, compared to ours, because they are generally crocodiles (though there are beauties sometimes among Hungarians). The evil looks of young Austrians towards our, Ukrainian, girls were very clearly remembered. And then, as I decided to meet a beautiful girl in Vienna, I met Tanya from Minsk.

          I completely agree and confirm that you can be convinced of the "beauty" of European women by visiting Spain, where men are more beautiful than women. I’ll tell you a freak, there are no beauties there, the Inquisition tried, overdid it in the fight against witches, burned out beauty from genes, roofing felts ... Yes, and German women are not particularly cute, too, chamras are terrible, we have our women beauties ...
        4. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 1 December 2012 09: 39
          +8
          Quote: Dikremnij
          I would like to clarify from myself about the beauty of European women: just recently I was in Austria, Hungary and Bavaria, and so, there are very few beautiful girls there,

          There are no more in the USA !!! So let’s raise a glass for our Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian beauties drinks
          1. Farik
            Farik 2 December 2012 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: ramzes1776
            So let’s raise a glass for our Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian beauties

            It’s not necessary to the stranger, but we won’t give up ours either !!!
        5. Pusher
          Pusher 3 December 2012 15: 58
          0
          By the way, yes, in Austria, for example, you will see a beautiful girl, when you meet you will find out - Russia or Ukraine, or Belarus wink
      2. WW3
        WW3 1 December 2012 19: 45
        +6
        Quote: AK-47
        I believe this photo will complement your words.

        This is a still from a film, not a photo of those years.
        1. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx 2 December 2012 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: WW3
          This is a still from a film, not a photo of those years.

          Yes, another film-screener, like "4 days in May", telling about the atrocities of the Soviet troops in Germany, staged according to the book of an SS journalist, and to which various ... rastas refer to, advocating the recognition of the USSR as the culprit of the outbreak of World War II.
      3. Bezarius
        Bezarius 3 December 2012 15: 04
        0
        This is not a photograph, this is from a movie in general.
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 30 November 2012 17: 42
      +25
      In modern Germany, German elders, recalling 1945, say that 90% of women were brutally raped by barbarians - Russian soldiers, forgetting to say that they remained alive and survived to the 21st century.
      So be it. It is not for us to judge our soldiers who saw tens of thousands of our women and children killed and stolen, co-located cities and villages.
      Our millions of Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian women, after being bullied and raped, were killed and remained there forever in the fiery forties, who did not give birth to sons and daughters, who did not recognize the joy of motherhood.
      Compare our civilian casualties and the Germans, remove the losses from carpet bombing of German cities by the British and Americans and get an answer about the peacefulness of our soldiers.
      1. Ziksura
        Ziksura 30 November 2012 23: 28
        +15
        Quote: vladimirZ
        German old women, recalling 1945, say that 90% of women were brutally raped by barbarians - Russian soldiers

        It turns out that the majority of the population of modern Germany is either Russian or half-breed laughing what
        1. Farik
          Farik 2 December 2012 12: 38
          +4
          At least something pleasant can be remembered for old women laughing According to their recollections, and German porn is removed))))
      2. Zynaps
        Zynaps 1 December 2012 01: 05
        +8
        Yes, if there was violence, then they were minuscule. Soldiers and officers for the unjustly obtained can of stew from the local population pulled on the globe. themselves, Frau went to bed. they were trained there - be healthy, and even minus 12 million men. so we stood in the doorways with cancer. and then, you see, they became ashamed of their behavior and jokes began in the style of "and from the Louvre we went to the Eiffel Tower and all of us were raped there, except for Marya Ivanovna, who did not want to."

        young German women were brought up that any soldier from the front could close up a child for her, whose father Adolf Hitler entered into the documents. and such inseminated by the Fuhrer in Germany was above the roof. then the documents, blushing, were changed and "my husband died at the front, and I myself was raped."
      3. mamba
        mamba 1 December 2012 17: 54
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        In modern Germany, German elders, recalling 1945, claim that 90% of women were brutally raped by barbarians - Russian soldiers

        If this were true, then, starting with the post-war generation, Germans would become much more beautiful. But something is not visible. Such a genetic problem ...
      4. Abel
        Abel 1 December 2012 22: 01
        +1
        ... And we must not forget the percentage (of women who were raped) accounted for by young, healthy sexual Americans and other "liberators" ...
      5. hommer
        hommer 2 December 2012 01: 32
        +8
        Did our soldiers have the moral right to do so?
        I am not bloodthirsty, but I recall the phrase of a warrior from a normal, not tolerant film (the moment when he saw what the Germans had done in the village with its inhabitants)
        "It will be better for the Germans that I do not reach Germany ..."
    4. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 30 November 2012 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Russian and Soviet soldiers never fought with women and children. There are no facts in our history when the Russian army raped the cities and the masses of the vanquished


      Not so tad categorically. According to official figures, 1945 tribunals over Soviet officers took place in the 4000 year ... by the way, the Americans also hanged 60 officers for crimes. committed in Germany
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 1 December 2012 00: 50
        +4
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        By the way, the Americans also hung 60 of their officers for crimes. committed in Germany

        Yes? Why so little?
        Heilbronn, Koblenz and many others.

        On this subject, oddly enough, almost complete silence. Well, there was this, though you burst! We are talking about the dead German prisoners of war in the Allied concentration camps for the Wehrmacht.

        It is nothing less than a million. Although of course, this figure has been challenged several times. And maybe not quite true. But, having rummaged enough in the stories and facts of the Second World War, I definitely take it for granted. And that's why:

        The Canadian writer James Buck in his book "Other losses" stated: in April - September 1945 the Allies starved to death MILLION German prisoners. This accusation caused a flurry of complaints about "negligence and falsification". At the same time, Buck's harshest critics admit that the camps were poorly supplied with food. The diet of a US soldier was 4 thousand kilocalories a day, and a German prisoner - only 1,2 thousand kilocalories, that is, three times less. Although this norm was not met: prisoners did not receive food and water for 3-4 days. At the same time, the warehouses of the US Army in Germany were overstocked with food: corn and canned food were sent back - with the postscript: "We have no place." This fact gives Baku the right to assert: the allies killed the captured Germans on purpose - especially since, according to the new status of DEF ("disarmed forces of the enemy"), they did not fall under the Geneva Convention - the Red Cross was not allowed to them and the reception of food parcels was strictly prohibited. The official biographer of US Commander-in-Chief Eisenhower Stephen Ambrose (died 2002) admitted in his interviews that the prisoners were starving, and there was food in the warehouses. “But we were afraid of more severe hunger and cannibalism in Germany, so we took care of food,” he gives an absolutely fantastic excuse. Ambrose said the US Army has confiscated 13,5 million tons of food from Red Cross warehouses. Where they went is not clear - the Germans did not receive ... a single gram.
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 1 December 2012 00: 54
          +9
          According to statistics, 57,5% of prisoners from the USSR died in Nazi captivity. 35,8% of Germans did not return from our camps. We are often reproached for this in newspaper publications. There, of course, it is not mentioned that the bulk of the Nazis were captured in 1941-1944, in the most hungry time, and most of the Germans remained in the USSR until 1953.The Nazis were not starved to death - the diet of prisoners in the USSR was 2533 kilocalories : twice as much as in US camps. And if you believe the evidence of the author of "Other losses", then in American captivity, in just six months, as many Germans were buried as we have in eight years!

          Strange, right?

          Propaganda is a great thing. We only do that we make excuses for the Victory. In that war, which surpassed all previous cruelties, everything happened. But, when you don’t even open it, but simply look at the facts, you see - those who teach you morality, condemn, behaved even worse with prisoners and civilians ... This is not only about the British and Americans, there are many other people you can catch on to. And then it is immediately heard: "It was a long time ago, it is not confirmed by documents, why stir up the past at all?" Indeed, absolutely useless. For them, rewriting history, is brazen and unprincipled. But there are still those who have been stirring up, stirring up, and will continue to stir up the past, for the edification of the future.
        2. Feroma
          Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 05
          +1
          Yes, hell with the Germans, they didn’t get it, so they didn’t get ... how many of us died from hunger (ersatz diet), so it’s not a pity
      2. Farik
        Farik 2 December 2012 12: 40
        +2
        Interestingly, at least one German was hanged for the same atrocities, being in the occupied territory?
        1. igor36
          igor36 5 December 2012 08: 33
          0
          Order of the Chief of Staff of the Supreme

          German High Command

          on military jurisdiction in the Barbarossa area

          and the special powers of the troops of 13.05.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX

          Part 2
          ATTITUDE TO CRIMES COMMITTED

          MILITARY AND SERVICE PERSONNEL

          IN RESPECT TO LOCAL POPULATION

          1. The initiation of prosecution for acts committed by military personnel and service personnel towards hostile civilians, it is not obligatory even in those cases when these actions simultaneously constitute a war crime or misconduct.

          2. When discussing such actions, it is necessary at each stage of the process to take into account that the defeat of Germany in 1918, the ensuing period of suffering of the German people, as well as the struggle against National Socialism, which required countless bloody sacrifices, were the result of Bolshevik influence, which is not a single one the German did not forget.

          3. Therefore, the bailiff must carefully examine whether in such cases it is necessary to initiate disciplinary or prosecution. The bailiff prescribes judicial review of a case only if it is required for reasons of maintaining military discipline and ensuring the security of troops. This applies to serious misconduct related to sexual licentiousness, the manifestation of criminal tendencies, or misconduct that could lead to the decomposition of troops. As a rule, sentences for senseless destruction of premises and supplies or other trophies to the detriment of their own troops are not subject to mitigation.

          The proposal for criminal prosecution in each case should be signed by the bailiff.

          4. When convicted, it is proposed that the credibility of the testimony of hostile civilians be extremely critical.
    5. sapulid
      sapulid 1 December 2012 00: 13
      +3
      You need to talk to the Berliners about Victory Night. Unfortunately, this fact took place against the backdrop of general euphoria. In the morning, order was restored, many participants in the lawlessness were shot directly on the street without trial, but the spot remained. This was the ONLY occasion in our history. I understand the feelings of our soldiers, but a crime against civilians remains a crime.

      It is worth recognizing that despite the small number of bastards, our soldiers were, unlike the Nazis, worthy people, and we have the right to be proud of both their military exploits and their moral qualities.
    6. 101
      101 1 December 2012 13: 39
      +3
      It’s not worth it to deceive yourself, but there’s no need to sprinkle ashes on our heads. We are the same people. Someone sticks out to the whole world what is beneficial for them and someone is silent. Everyone knows about the Holocaust and how much the Japanese destroyed the Chinese silence. But even we can be horrified at the Chinese grief I think China is mourning for the dead more than all the others combined
    7. Farik
      Farik 2 December 2012 12: 34
      +1
      good good goodThe Russian soldier has always been famous for its humanism towards the defeated !!!
    8. Alyoha
      Alyoha 2 December 2012 17: 55
      +1
      And in our time, only Chechens and Americans fight with women and children
  2. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 08: 30
    -36
    I don't even know how to give a softer review of this "scientific" work!
    Let's just say - some kind of abomination ...
    Throughout the text there are references to some recollections of not very famous Jews. and appearing in the 2000s, for solidity, diluted out of context phrases of more respectable characters ...
    1. haron
      haron 30 November 2012 09: 19
      +27
      And what is the abomination?

      Is that for European women sex and love are two different concepts? So this is true today for 80% of ladies. Or you didn’t like the last names on the links.
      One of the frequently discussed sides of the years 1944-45 was highlighted very interestingly. I, as having constant contact with the local contingent, find direct confirmation of what is written. Moreover, I find these confirmations in the stories of eyewitnesses of those years with whom I had to communicate a lot.

      What exactly is the nonsense of this article ??
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 10
        -14
        I did not write that this is nonsense - I wrote that this is an abomination!
        Surnames on links - this is nonsense, for that matter ...
        Surprise, but I know who it is and have read some of the things mentioned here! Only in these books "this question" is not the main one, but passes somewhere on the sidelines, and is often referred to as another fact in terms of denouncing "capitalism and the rotten West" ...
    2. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 30 November 2012 09: 24
      +15
      You would write writings, scientific, with your luggage of knowledge. The famous scholar Wasserman didn’t stand next to you ..
      1. haron
        haron 30 November 2012 10: 23
        +9
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        You would have to write works, scientific,

        Writing works is not necessary (that is, specially trained people), but conclusions must be drawn.

        For some reason I’m sure that
        Quote: Smirnov Vadim
        Famous scholar Wasserman
        I didn’t stand next to the gutsul Frozina I knew, who is already over 90 in good mind, health and surrounded by a dozen great-grandchildren ... erudition is a relative thing, but the correct life experience cannot be relative, because the result is on the face smile .
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 04
        -9
        You will laugh, but wrote and plan to continue!
        I had about a hundred publications somewhere, then I lost track of it - they published something, something didn’t, that’s the exact accounting ...
    3. Professor
      Professor 30 November 2012 10: 10
      +19
      Throughout the text there are references to some recollections of not very famous Jews.

      Type got these Jews dare to write in Russian. Urgently to the bonfire of the Strugatsky writings ... wassat
      Insanity grew stronger !!! fool
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 1 December 2012 00: 32
        +5
        Prof, I am pleased to read your comments. As you can see, the site is full of grandchildren of those who laid their heads on the liberation of the world from the "brown plague", but who themselves became nationalists. It is unfortunate, but the facts show that countries that have experienced national humiliation tend to become so. It is worth looking at Germany, Italy and Spain in the 20s and 30s, at Japan in the 50s, at present-day China .... Russia, alas, is no exception. I would like to believe that this disease will quickly and painlessly pass.

        And, fans of Nazism should be reminded that Europe was liberated by the multinational Soviet people, including Jews, among whom there were many Heroes of the Soviet Union. Jews, among others, forged nuclear weapons of our homeland, created a culture, restored a devastated country ...
        1. slas
          slas 1 December 2012 13: 04
          0
          Quote: sapulid
          created a culture

          they gave me the opportunity to create ... on my own head. Look at REN NTV and the same rubbish- TV I’ll understand the level of the hustler
        2. Feroma
          Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 07
          +1
          It turns out that Soviet Jews are not Jews at all ... but it's scary to think - "people" :)
          1. slas
            slas 2 December 2012 09: 30
            0
            Quote: Feroma
            It turns out that Soviet Jews are not Jews at all ... but it's scary to think - "people":

            In the days of the Union, yes there were people
            1. Farik
              Farik 2 December 2012 12: 45
              +3
              Quote: slas
              In the days of the Union, yes there were people

              And then everyone went to Israel. One Wasserman only remained wink
      2. Farik
        Farik 2 December 2012 12: 43
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Type got these Jews dare to write in Russian.

        If there were no Jews, then there would be no one to blame for their mistakes and mistakes.
    4. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 30 November 2012 10: 17
      +14
      Brother Sarych, And what is abomination is one of the sides of the war for an ordinary person, everything is vile wrong wrong and beautiful and the wounded are not melodious and the soldiers smell indecent
      1. dmb
        dmb 30 November 2012 11: 40
        -1
        But Sarych is right about the abomination. And the most abominable thing that her woman wrote. If the article is a scientific study, then what is its purpose? When a biologist cuts a frog, he tries to find the truth and apply it for the good of man. For what good was the opus written. I am afraid that only for the good of the author and his family, for it is paid for. Only two conclusions follow from the article: all Western women are whores, all Jews are gossiping about women. The last one is for the Professor. I still do not understand what you dragged the Great Strugatskys into, but Sarych, speaking about the article, did not sin against the truth, speaking about most of those to whom the "scientific" lady refers.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 12
          -10
          Thank you for understanding me - otherwise V. Smirnov issued another warning to me, a little more and bye ...
          1. Nose
            Nose 30 November 2012 15: 35
            +15
            What the hell! They divorced demagogy here. War is war. Whoever comes is that woman.
            If the Germans then already treated sex as a business, then ours were democratized today.
            1. sapulid
              sapulid 1 December 2012 00: 41
              +8
              Our violence by the civilian population is a crime against humanity, if you talk about it. Nuremberg was tried for this.

              No one denies the presence in each country of a certain number of licentious people.

              The article is devoted to the refutation of existing speculation about the Soviet Army, as a crowd of rapists and looters. Such a reading is widespread especially in Poland.
              1. tolan_petrovich
                tolan_petrovich 3 December 2012 11: 51
                +1
                Well, that’s why Jews were dragged off topic.
          2. rate
            rate 30 November 2012 16: 31
            +11
            And the order for the army about venous diseases is an abomination? And doctors venereologists abomination? This is another side of the war. There was something. Objectively and impartially. Not a concern.
            1. orfo
              orfo 1 December 2012 00: 04
              +3
              the Japanese did not bother with this, they just had everyone who came to hand (Philippines)
        2. Feroma
          Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 33
          +2
          The biologist cuts the frog in order to put the acquired knowledge into practice in the future, and the Historian’s job is to build an integral picture of what is happening from the mass of historical documents, facts, myths, to recreate the atmosphere of victorious days, so to speak. And this work should be considered as an attempt to do this, for this a plus, it is interesting and informative.
    5. Joker
      Joker 30 November 2012 16: 51
      +6
      Brother, especially for you, the French are filming about themselves.
    6. datur
      datur 30 November 2012 18: 43
      +9
      Brother Sarych, just ours were more honest and more expensive than the Germans !!! that's all!!! and so life is life !!! !!!!!
    7. Kortik
      Kortik 30 November 2012 22: 26
      +10
      My grandfather served in Germany in the 50s in the GSVG. Dad studied there for a long time. And they talked about the morals of the local youth, who, at the age of 14, poked themselves in full height, there was nowhere to put samples. And what is interesting, but the German Frau themselves climbed to the Russian servicemen. In the words of one Frau: .... "Russian Ivan where he grabbed there and fell in love and more than once, and my Hans all day in the gashte (pub) with friends - he drinks beer, and we have sex once a week, but for this we need to excite him, put on a transparent negligee, dance well, etc., and as a result, a weak 3-minute marathon and ... finish. " The rest of the Frau expressed their opinion in approximately the same vein. So their morals, as they were then, and to this day, remain very free and depraved. And the preference is always given to the stronger male in all respects. You can't argue against nature. winked
      1. slas
        slas 1 December 2012 13: 09
        +5
        Quote: Kortik
        My grandfather served in Germany in the 50s in the GSVG. Dad studied there for a long time. And they talked about the customs of the youth there, who at the age of 14 clinked at full height, there was nowhere to put samples. And interestingly, the German Frau climbed to the Russian military themselves

        Holy truth Alexander. I fully confirm --- 70 years the same
      2. Feroma
        Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 36
        -4
        I am amused by the phrase "a strong male in all respects" - This male today shamefully takes 4-5 places in the Olympiads
        1. slas
          slas 2 December 2012 01: 35
          +2
          Quote: Feroma
          This male today shamefully takes 4-5 places in the Olympics

          eh - just to blurt out
          1. vyatom
            vyatom 3 December 2012 17: 46
            +1
            The main thing is that in the fight under the covers the place should always be the first.
          2. Feroma
            Feroma 5 December 2012 15: 06
            0
            And what's wrong, isn't it funny! "A strong male in all respects." New phrase for dating girls - Hello, I am a strong male in all respects, you can’t trample against nature, take off your skirt! wink
        2. YuDDP
          YuDDP 2 December 2012 01: 40
          +3
          Modern olympiads are competitions of chemists.
          Some come up with drugs, others try to find them.
          Ours use old doping, due to this they lose and come across.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 2 December 2012 14: 44
            +1
            Quote: YuDDP
            Modern Olympiads are competitions of chemists


            Plus a sweepstakes competition! "Tell your ****** gypsy that he should lie down in the fourth round!" (c) "Big jackpot"

            And what bets are made at major competitions! (just do not tell me that the totalizator does not work at the Olympics)
            1. Feroma
              Feroma 5 December 2012 15: 21
              0
              Do not confuse boxing with the Olympics, and for your information Mickey (gypsy) played by his own rules, did not go down in the 4th round. Also for me .... underground boxing, with bandits to compare with the Olympics, where teams from all over the world perform in the presence of a million spectators, presidents, with a jury recruited from different countries, etc. Better run more in the morning!
          2. Feroma
            Feroma 5 December 2012 15: 13
            0
            Well, yes, yes, complaining that there is no access to new anabolics? Do you think past victories are the merit of Soviet chemists? Do not say nonsense, they win because the training system for athletes has been established, and writing off everything for doping in a row is the principle of a wimp!
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 3 December 2012 17: 45
        -1
        Yes. I completely agree.
  3. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 30 November 2012 08: 36
    -23
    Disgusting article! Huge officer minus!
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 12
      -13
      And thank you for the correct understanding of this material!
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 1 December 2012 00: 36
      +12
      Quote: Milafon
      Disgusting article! Huge officer minus!


      DAM on the profile picture personally, I have nothing to do with the officer
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 2 December 2012 14: 48
        -2
        Quote: Ascetic
        I personally have nothing to do with the officer


        Anecdote in the subject - There are on the bridge a donkey and a lumber in the smoke of a warrant officer! Donkey - hear! Who will you be! Oh well! Let me go! - ensign arched his chest with a wheel, furanka on the back of his head - I !? I am an officer! The donkey chewed so thoughtfully, spinned his ears, spat on a blade of grass and answered - Well, then I'm an Arabian stallion! Went out of the way!
    3. Cadets
      Cadets 1 December 2012 02: 55
      +6
      MilaPhone,
      Quote: Milafon
      Disgusting article! Huge officer minus!

      I do not like bigotry, especially not at the children's, but at the officer forum. I don’t know how it is with you, but in a men's team torn for a long time (six months or more) in service from their wives and just ladies, the women's issue has not only been discussed ...
      I remember how during medical training, before a long trip to the Caucasus, our physician (privately, moving away from the topic of gunshot and other wounds) said something like this: "Comrade officers, you are all over thirty, keep in mind that if you will not use a male device, then upon arrival home he will only be able to pee - not literally, but the meaning is this) lol After a couple of months in the mountains, my colleagues tearfully asked for at least a day to Khasik or Mozdok (the legend is to exchange uneaten canned food, flour, etc. from soldering to vegetables, etc.). By the way, by analogy with the film shown about French women shaved for being in touch with the Germans, it was then that I found out about the Caucasian (for obvious reasons I don’t mention nationality) prostitutes who, if they catch this business (and they needed to live by something, when the man died fighting with us, and they have unemployment) they shave their heads for the first time, and for the second time they simply cut off what a woman in those parts wears a black scarf. And the topic of women among servicemen in any war was relevant, even though we are patriots!
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 1 December 2012 09: 17
        -7
        Quote: Ascetic
        DAM on the profile picture personally, I have nothing to do with the officer

        Well, your avatar is also not enough that speaks of asceticism (a type of spiritual practice, deliberate self-restraint, self-denial, or the fulfillment of difficult vows, sometimes including self-torture. The goal of austerities is to achieve certain spiritual goals or acquire supernatural abilities).

        Ascetic Amar Bharti 38 years old holds his hand raised above his head
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 30 November 2012 08: 59
    +12
    Even then there was a shortage of "real men" in Europe. It is not surprising that when a European woman saw a Soviet soldier, she immediately "concealed". However, their venality and lack of pride and morality causes a feeling of abomination!
    Life draws harsh realities. To survive (get food), the Europeans went to great lengths. They have something then, and now there are no principles. The main principle is selfishness !!! Stuff your stomach, be warm. And it doesn’t matter that there will be an enemy nearby!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 30 November 2012 18: 31
      +5
      +
      There is a big difference between innate pride and innate pragmatism. When at stake was honor against life ... well, then God is the judge to all who chose.
    2. Feroma
      Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 47
      -4
      Give the definition of "real man". According to the charter and military traditions (and this cannot be taken away from the Russian and German armies), the servicemen of both armies were obliged to keep themselves clean and tidy, and those others would get up every morning, shave, put on (if possible, of course) clean linen and uniforms, and physiologically and physically Russian and German soldiers are the same. The question is that German women were impartial about sex (not like we had before the wedding, no, no). So with sex and German men, everything is more than okay (funny but every joke has some truth - German porn is watched all over the world - which means there is healthy sex in the country). And all of the above "Not surprisingly, when a European woman saw a Soviet soldier, she immediately" concealed "" banal nonsense, bullshit. Do not flatter yourself, brother!
  5. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 30 November 2012 09: 18
    +12
    The article is correct, proving that the way of life in Russia and the worldview of Russian people are normal and perverted. This applies to hygiene, and sanitation, and most importantly, morality.
    1. Feroma
      Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 50
      -1
      Hygiene and sanitation - what are you smoking there respected AK-74-1 !!!! When in Germany there were problems with hygiene and sanitation, maybe confused with Russia ....
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 07
        -4
        Oh, I see that someone has already received gray epaulets ...
        Promptly, promptly ...
  6. I-16M
    I-16M 30 November 2012 09: 27
    +4
    In the memoirs of veterans met similar. In Romania it was.
  7. Bigriver
    Bigriver 30 November 2012 09: 46
    +7
    Normal article. For those who thought it was ... unusual, read the memoirs of veterans on Iremember.ru. Those, of course, who "walked" in Europe.
    Senyavskaya, by the way, is a respected man in the historical environment.
    I advise her book:
    "The psychology of war in the XX century - the historical experience of Russia".

    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 14
      -9
      This is not normal, this is a perversion!
      If the rest of the books are in the same way - my condolences ....
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 30 November 2012 15: 07
        -1
        Brother Sarych
        This is not normal, this is a perversion!
        If the rest of the books in the same way - my condolences....


        What have you learned from this "plan"?
        What is the "dry residue" of the material posted by Senyavskaya?
      2. Nose
        Nose 30 November 2012 15: 38
        +10
        Brother Sarych,
        Yes, you old man - redneck. You won’t throw words out of a song. In the Soviet cinema, our soldiers were impotent, but in fact healthy young men. Not everyone likes it.
        1. Harlin
          Harlin 30 November 2012 16: 06
          +13
          In general, I wonder how ours didn’t cut out all of Germany without exception? But there was a reason.
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 30 November 2012 17: 58
            +16
            Harlin
            I, too, Leonid, the more I study the history of my country, the more I am surprised at the degree of tolerance, mercy, and kindness of my people towards those who came to kill / rape / destroy you.
            And in this is Strength.
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 16: 54
          -10
          Is it still about the article? I wrote only about the article ...
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 30 November 2012 19: 55
            0
            Brother Sarych
            I answered you in the context of the article.
            Where is your answer?
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 00: 12
              -3
              I repeat - I wrote that the article is an abomination, that's all, I did not write anything about the problem itself ...
              What do you need to chew something? What is a tendentious selection of facts and conjectures? And with a not entirely clear purpose?
              Prove that everyone in Europe is a whore? Well proved, then what? And we have everything clean and beautiful, and precisely because it is ours? So what?
              If you are serious, then I feel sorry for you ...
      3. Feroma
        Feroma 1 December 2012 18: 55
        +5
        Brother Sarych - what is your problem? The fact that our grandfathers fought, died, loved and won, because this is life, especially in war, where every day is like the last. History teaches winners not judged. If it will be easier for you - remember how many women and girls the Germans ruined - and our soldiers did not slide into banal vengeance, behaved with dignity, and isolated cases - well, it's life / war.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 10
          -3
          I have no problems ...
          This is a completely different matter, this is precisely this article ...
  8. understudy
    understudy 30 November 2012 09: 48
    -7
    And what did the author want to say?
    1. Dimych
      Dimych 30 November 2012 09: 58
      +18
      It's just that when the democratic press writes about the horrors of the Soviet occupation, about 2 million "raped" German women, it is always interesting to know how it really was.
  9. Nevsky
    Nevsky 30 November 2012 10: 03
    +1
    What are you happy about? Now we also have this in high esteem :(
  10. erased
    erased 30 November 2012 10: 06
    +18
    The Germans in the occupied territories created such a terror that they will remember about this for another two hundred years. But for some reason now they say more that the Soviet soldiers committed some kind of crime. Clearly, there is a wave of reverse information war. This must be resisted.
    And I personally can’t condemn any soldier or officer there, in whom the Germans killed the whole family, burned down the house, and he had some fun in bed with a German or a Polish woman. Despite the fact that he did not kill, he did not rob, and sometimes he fed and watered.
    The difference in moral aspect is huge! Soviet soldiers liberated Europe and the world. And the German wanted to destroy the same Europe.
    That's it.
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 1 December 2012 00: 51
      -1
      Quote: erased
      The Germans in the occupied territories created such a terror that they will remember about this for another two hundred years. But for some reason now they say more that the Soviet soldiers committed some kind of crime. Clearly, there is a wave of reverse information war. This must be resisted.
      And I personally can’t condemn any soldier or officer there, in whom the Germans killed the whole family, burned down the house, and he had some fun in bed with a German or a Polish woman. Despite the fact that he did not kill, he did not rob, and sometimes he fed and watered.
      The difference in moral aspect is huge! Soviet soldiers liberated Europe and the world. And the German wanted to destroy the same Europe.
      That's it.



      That is, if a fascist raped our woman not by killing, but by feeding her, was that normal? What is the fault of the civilian population? Maybe the raped woman killed, slaughtered, robbed and raped? Violence remains violence and there is no excuse for it. That is why, such moral freaks were shot at without trial or investigation.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 1 December 2012 08: 53
        +4
        My grandfather personally shot the scoundrel when he tried to rape a girl. True, not German, polka.
        1. 22rus
          22rus 1 December 2012 09: 21
          -3
          Quote: M.Pyotr
          My grandfather personally shot the scoundrel

          Krut was your grandfather. The scoundrel really could get off with only two (!) Years in prison.
          As, for example, Senior Sergeant Yezhelev, a candidate member of the CPSU (b), who received 2 years without losing rights for unauthorized absence and rape of a German woman.
          1. M. Peter
            M. Peter 2 December 2012 10: 24
            +2
            Quote: 22rus
            Krut was your grandfather.

            Full Knight of the Order of Glory.
            1. 22rus
              22rus 2 December 2012 10: 57
              -2
              Quote: M.Pyotr
              Full Knight of the Order of Glory.

              Wow! The real hero!
              But ... nevertheless, I note that the story of your grandfather about the lynching of the rapist is most likely just a legend, a fiction. Because my grandfather would have received a real term for the murder, and the term would be longer than the rapist would have received.
      2. Feroma
        Feroma 1 December 2012 19: 02
        +1
        I think he erased, I meant a person who had lost everything in life (as an example, the fate of the hero from the story "The Fate of a Man") it was difficult to restrain yourself .... You and them, too, would have been shot without trial, they are also moral
      3. Feroma
        Feroma 1 December 2012 19: 11
        +1
        I think he erased, I meant a person who had lost everything in life (as an example, the fate of the hero from the story "The Fate of a Man") it was difficult to restrain yourself .... You and them, too, would have been shot without trial, they are also moral
  11. redcod
    redcod 30 November 2012 10: 17
    +8
    Sorry to France did not reach ... wink
  12. Bigriver
    Bigriver 30 November 2012 10: 19
    +9
    The picture, of course, is staged, professional.
    But, you try to put such a sincere interest in German female faces :))
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 30 November 2012 13: 59
      +9
      have you seen enough anton corbijn?
      typical, reporter shot on the go. that is its value. therefore, emotions are natural.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 30 November 2012 15: 10
        -5
        dmitreach
        ... have anton corbijn seen enough?
        typical reporter snapshot


        Do you personally, yourself, shoot something for further professional use: magazines, newspapers, TV, websites?
        If filmed, they would not say stupidity drinks
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 30 November 2012 17: 13
          +6
          I’m a photographer like 10 years, but the point is not that.
          What do you mean by "staged shot"? and have you ever seen the difference between "pictures with friends" and "a photographer with a shaitan-machine makes you smile in the frame?"
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 30 November 2012 17: 27
            -4
            dmitreach
            I’m a photographer for 10 years ...

            You did not answer the direct question: What kind of media, TV, Web are you shooting in person?
            If you are shy, you can in PM.
            A professional, including a photographer, always reacts quickly and clearly.
            Where did you go?
            I repeat: you are a pro in what? Or not a pro, but a commentator?
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 30 November 2012 17: 30
              +4
              is this an interrogation? Does it matter? are not afraid to sit in a puddle?
              OK. the last major work is casting actors for one full meter. (cinema) and, accordingly, on a film set. the specifics are just the same in studio work during casting and reporting during the filming of the film.
              1. Bigriver
                Bigriver 30 November 2012 17: 37
                -2
                dmitreach
                is this an interrogation? Does it matter? are not afraid to sit in a puddle?

                1. This is not an interrogation. This is an urgent request to answer the question. This question has been provoked by your stupid and unfounded comment. A long run from my simple question, from my point of view, greatly humiliates you. Therefore, do not pull.
                2. I'm not afraid of anything. I know what the pros are in me :))
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 30 November 2012 17: 40
                  +2
                  I kind of answered. no?
                  1. Bigriver
                    Bigriver 30 November 2012 17: 52
                    -2
                    dmitreach
                    casting actors for one full meter. (cinema) and, accordingly, on a film set. the specifics are just the same in studio work during casting and reporting during the filming of the film

                    Good! Yourself, personally, you DO NOT shoot? So?
                    1. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 30 November 2012 18: 07
                      +3
                      So. again.
                      TAKE PERSONALLY (i.e. ITSELF) casting actors for one full meter. (movie) Well, and accordingly, on the set of a movie site I WORKED A PHOTOGRAPHER ON A HIRING CONTRACT (in the credits it will be written as: photographer). the specifics are just the same in studio work during casting and reporting during the filming of the film

                      is it clear?


                      1. olegyurjewitch
                        olegyurjewitch 1 December 2012 01: 28
                        +4
                        Quote: dmitreach
                        is it clear?

                        Man, enlighten Big River what a story is. And the picture is not staged, I affirm as a former photo correspondent. And who, who, and photo correspondents of the production master.
                      2. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 03: 07
                        +1
                        .And who, who, and photojournalists of the production master.

                        by the way - a fact! such "not entertainers, not animators, but in a still pool ..."

                        What is the report? Yes, just like coprolit! (mammoth ram)
                        Emotions, when it comes to the person in the frame, large. Figs, the difference is whether we are talking about an iron steelman, with melt sparkles squinting at the fireworks, a Jewish barber with a blood razor or a little bald girl in a sandbox, with a bow. (the one that sneezed did not lose the bow)
                        The main thing is emotions in a given plot. And the technical normality of the frame for printing. Moreover, the latter for the frequent priority. (well, the photo editors are far from "Malevich's square and other misunderstood geniuses") In the last place is the composition, because observing the first two can be framed.
                  2. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 30 November 2012 17: 52
                    0
                    But you, by the way, did not answer the question: so what is the "setting" in this shot?
                    rented a machine gun to the site? costumes? or student-actors from gitis, dragged for extras))))?
                    1. Bigriver
                      Bigriver 30 November 2012 18: 10
                      -2
                      dmitreach
                      Are you Moldovan? Somehow you write weakly in Russian.
                      For a professional occupation of film photos, knowledge of the Russian language is required. It structures and disciplines.
                      I'll give you an introduction.
                      As a rule, nothing accidentally successful happens in the frame. Although .. it happens once a year. Every lover has random luck and unpredictable finds :)
                      However, in this case, we are dealing with a PROFI frame. And by simple signs.

                      1. A group of people communicating with each other NEVER becomes by itself a trapezoid triangle in front of the lens. For this, the group needs to be organized, arranged. This is the "key". Absolutely ALWAYS, when shooting groups of people communicating with each other, you have to open the circle and organize a triangle-trapezoid. This is where the reporter's job begins.
                      This work does NOT start if you are not working as a missile defense system.

                      2. Pay attention to the perspective of the frame. The building is on the left, going into perspective and the sign on the right is the mark of a professional.
                      And "Browning 50" on "Universe Quarry", deployed in the frame - a stroke of the pro.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 30 November 2012 18: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        1. A group of people communicating with each other NEVER becomes in itself a triangle-trapezoid in front of the lens. For this, the group needs to be organized, arranged.

                        A completely unsuccessful example, saying that you do not know the specifics of this case!
                        I am an unprofessional photographer, but I shot a similar situation 10 times, including for myself at the front!

                        Quote: BigRiver
                        2. Pay attention to the perspective of the frame. The building is on the left, going into perspective and the sign on the right is the mark of a professional.
                        And Browning 50 at Unversel Quarry, deployed in the frame - a stroke of the pro.
                        And no one says that he was filming a layman, a friend wrote that he was filming the reporterSo what is the staging of the frame ??
                      2. Bigriver
                        Bigriver 30 November 2012 18: 27
                        0
                        Yarbay
                        Precisely because you did not work every day for the "stream", you do not understand what this is about :)

                        And no one says that he was filming a layman, a friend wrote that he was filming a reporter, So what is the production of the shot ??

                        We're obviously going to delve deeper into the topic of "staging"?
                        Guys ... There were professional war reporters. And that’s all! No industry, unlike the United States.
                        The staging is the same as now! Competent staging of the frame and theme.
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 30 November 2012 18: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        Competent staging of the frame and theme.

                        With this, I think Dmitry agree!
                        In principle, in my opinion, this is also interpreted by Dmitry!
                      4. Bigriver
                        Bigriver 30 November 2012 19: 50
                        0
                        Yarbay
                        In principle, in my opinion, this is also interpreted by Dmitry!
                        All this - he tells you.

                        But, his comments concern me laughing
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 1 December 2012 17: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        All this - he tells you.

                        Why is that???
                        I did not argue with him that he would explain to me !!
                      6. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 03: 32
                        +1
                        Competent staging of the frame and theme.

                        agree

                        just why is it exclusively "staging" ????
                      7. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 02: 16
                        0
                        Guys ... There were professional war reporters. And that’s all!

                        Exactly. About that and speech! All of them had the opportunity to shoot both "the attention of the shooting for the honor roll" and "the expression of THAT life."
                        It is possible that he was filming a professional, judging by the elaboration in the "shadows" and "lights", and maybe an advanced "amateur", who is separated from the pros only by the fact that he does not make a living with this craft. I don't know whose this shot is. I am indifferent to who the author is and whether he made money.
                        The frame is informative for the story, especially if it is "like a namabilu shot".
                        and again about 25: WHAT IS THE STATEMENT?
                      8. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 03: 25
                        0
                        Precisely because you did not work every day for the "stream", you do not understand what this is about :)

                        well i worked for "stream". and weddings and car-parties of 30 GB (or more) from the event. and that the quality criteria differ?
                      9. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 30 November 2012 18: 20
                        +1
                        I will answer a little later if you are really interested.
                        running to give a master class for a friend on his newly acquired camera.
                        in short:
                        Only the amateur photographs do not answer the question "who the hell did you shoot this?"
                        the pros always set themselves the task, especially when he is a newsreader.

                        However, in this case, we are dealing with a PROFI frame.

                        So what? in those years they were not addicted to the Internet. my father was fond of photography as an amateur, but I am the only one among my peers who has color slides of the 80s ....

                        if you were filming reports, then for you it would be a priority problem on the set - a group of commanding persons, whose shots are needed by the customer, and they are bastards in a circle .... communicate. (in second place for meanness "horns and other cantelabras")
                        in fact, you would have known ways to solve the problem.

                        when you arrange a group of mortals (not professional models, although they screw up too) to pose for a picture, then a problem arises: "akhtung-shooting" (to stand - to be afraid!)

                        trapezoid in this frame is akin to the word "perspective" when shooting with a lens over 50mm. (do I need to explain?) I think that there is no fifty.

                        about the rest later, for I am late.
                      10. werewolf
                        werewolf 30 November 2012 22: 16
                        0
                        brothers! Sorry I'm not a professional photographer but an amateur! behind the background, etc. I can’t speak and I don’t want to. The psychological aspect is interesting. If YOU are real photographers and not as an amateur, then please read the booklet ALAN PISA "body language" and re-"familiarize yourself" with this photo ...... You will learn a lot of interesting things ......!
                      11. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 04: 13
                        0
                        Werwolf,
                        no, colleague, the analysis of this photo by Alan Pisu is with you! I am lazy to compare, I think the rest too (your analysis is interesting)
                      12. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 1 December 2012 02: 41
                        +1
                        Are you a Russian teacher? hardly.
                        I’ll add to the first point (the rest is below) that in those years a person in defocusing is the evil and mistake of the photographer. Homosexual artist is not only Khrushchev's point of view. (if you do not understand this hint, I can explain the joke)

                        All the same, I will explain: if this is a "staging", and the attention is a command: "the bird will hit, everyone will die", then this excludes the pepper falling out of the depth of field in the photograph (all lenses of that period have a grip scale, because then there was a fetish in that). If "Mtv-live", then live emotions. But they didn't plow on mtv at that time and the reporters had different criteria for the quality of shooting. The lack of focus on the face was not in trend ... Another question was when the pictures "emerged from the archives" and became interesting to posterity, even among a marriage not approved by the chief editors of the 40s ...

                        In the first wrote, now about the second.

                        Note that the horizon is littered. If you're a perspective fetishist, then this photographer was crucified by his chip editor. For me, the people were standing at the corner of the building. They would not stand on the corner, there would be a picture "in the background of the house" ...

                        But all this is rubbish and other crap. The truth is that in those years there were also party guys who were able to shoot live, without "building up, taking pictures of attention!"
                      13. Dusseldorf
                        Dusseldorf 3 December 2012 00: 08
                        0
                        And you, Mr. Democrat and human rights activist, have something against Moldovans? They are not people in your opinion? In your context, Moldova is an insult.
                        PS Well, you are definitely not Moldovan, you are a typical Troll!
                        PPS It’s even funny how the rest are conducted on your provocations
                2. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 30 November 2012 18: 07
                  +1
                  Give reasons in favor of a frame-swapping frame.
                  What is "staging" for you?
                  1. Bigriver
                    Bigriver 30 November 2012 18: 40
                    -1
                    dmitreach
                    What is "staging" for you?

                    The same as in the whole world - ideological, artistic and organized shooting :)
                    A portrait is a production shoot. A portrait in dynamics - no. Reporting is not staging. Fragment imitating movement - staging, etc.
                    We are off topic. We have almost 2 am.
                    I want to sleep: ((We have - DV.
                    1. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 1 December 2012 03: 45
                      0
                      forgot ..

                      What is "staging" for me?

                      This is when it is possible to shoot the second DOUBLE frame. (say: stop. to the source.)
                  2. Bigriver
                    Bigriver 30 November 2012 19: 15
                    0
                    dmitreach
                    Give reasons in favor of a frame-swapping frame.
                    What is "staging" for you
                    ?

                    In general, having smoked, before going to bed, such thoughts.
                    Apparently, the problem is in terminology.
                    For some reason, the term "staged" is perceived here as an enemy :)) Studio, advertising .., deceitful.
                    In fact, all Soviet photographs, as well as Amer and Aglitsky and others, are the essence, either reportage-production, or static-production, or portrait. This is so, the assessment is superficial.
                    But, if a fundamental assessment of the issue is important to someone, I ask you to be identified. And to answer a simple reporter’s question: can:
                    - eight people in the frame of opposing nationalities
                    - Browning 50
                    - a building in the style of neo-classicism
                    settle in frame by themselves so as to demonstrate the harmony of Eurasia and Europe?
                    1. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 1 December 2012 01: 55
                      +1
                      can they:

                      can! that's the trick that they can! if they are on the positive of ONE, generally "cool" topic. Whether it's booze, university, kurishkka, or the topic of euphoria about the ideological-political-uniting, that is, VICTORY. (the question is what will get intoxicated harder when you are "in the subject" and "for fun"?)

                      "staged" is perceived here as hostile.

                      not true. if it's about me. A staging genre, just a genre, conditioned by a "super task". It is neither better nor worse, it has a different assessment criterion.

                      Studio, advertising .., deceitful.

                      Check out the work of David LaChapelle. It feels like, having become bored of glamor, he became a cynic, with a sarcastic perception of the "world" of gloss. He has a tough sarcasm over the edge. Advertising is not the essence of "bad", especially since there is no advertisement in the photo in question.

                      can they:

                      If you find yourself a reporter among the neo-classicism style, with 50 browning and associates, then cool photo cards are GUARANTEED! The theme is determined by the environment. (in the environment of bikers, the photographer-biker will make a cool photo report)

                      Yes, the problem is terminology. It remains to determine that there is a STANDING photo. (see the essence of the name)

                      surface assessment.

                      This is always the case when it comes to art. The assessment is always "author's", that is, superficial. (I am not D.A.M., so as not to be criticized and "cast in marble", a constant authority, although he can be criticized in the trash)
                      Another question: if we speak and think in the language of Pushkin, then what is the meaning of the labels of constants (staged photo)?
    2. datur
      datur 30 November 2012 18: 48
      +6
      Bigriver,

      But, you try to put such a sincere interest in German women’s faces:) = - so why try it out, the most essential it is above all else - especially not any blacks !! belay ! and the winners !!!!!! laughing laughing laughing the same ARIANS only from the east !!!! yes laughing
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 30 November 2012 19: 00
        +4
        datur
        especially not any blacks !! ! and the winners !!!!!!

        Are right!
        Ours, on German territory, noted German discipline to the point of absurdity: since the winners, then we obey in everything!
        Yes, our women would raise the pitchfork ...
        1. werewolf
          werewolf 30 November 2012 22: 32
          0
          DEAR - THERE WAS A WAR! NOT ALL "OUR BABS" TAKE FORKS !!! IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME - THEN LOOK AT THE GERMAN CHRONICLES .... ALL THIS IS NEGLIGATORY, VEGETABLE AND GO !!!! BUT IT WAS .... BUT IT WAS ALL POLAND, HUNGARY, ETC ... BUT !!!! WAS THE FIRST !!!! GERMAN VILLAGE !!!! TAKEN BY OUR ON THE PRIMORDIAL GERMAN TERRITORY !!!!! THERE WERE "MIRACLES" AS ONE OF MY TEACHERS SAID: "WHEN WE HAVE A DAY ... IN AMERICA - NIGHT ... SO THEY SHOULD BOURGEOUS AND SHOULD !!!! ...."
    3. vyatom
      vyatom 3 December 2012 17: 50
      0
      I have been to Europe many times nowadays and I can say that interest in people from Russia was genuine. At least in the 90s.
  13. not good
    not good 30 November 2012 11: 09
    +4
    When he was in college, a teacher, an old capra, a katernik who went through the whole war, told them that, when he was based in the liberated territories, before they let him go to the city, the head honey gave out condoms. It looks like it’s okay, but for nothing.
  14. Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 November 2012 11: 16
    +10
    ** washing from the basin, “where first the dirt from the hands remains, and then the face is washed,” ** -In England, still so washed!
    In many houses two faucets are connected to the washbasin, with hot water flowing from the other with cold water! Both taps are opened, they fill the washbasin and wash it with water in the morning !!


    serviceman Galina Yartseva. On February 24, 1945, she wrote to a friend from the front: “… If there was an opportunity, we could send wonderful parcels of their trophy things. There is something. It would be ours stripped and undressed. What cities I saw, what kind of men and women. And looking at them, you are possessed by such evil, such hatred! They walk, love, live, and you go and set them free. They laugh at the Russians - "Schwein!" Yes Yes! Bastards ... I don't like anyone except the USSR, except those peoples who live with us. I don’t believe in any friendship with Poles and other Lithuanians ... ”- an interesting remark !!!
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 30 November 2012 12: 29
      +6
      Dear Alibek!
      Once I pinned a friend of the Englishman about washing in a basin with water alone for hands, feet and face. The answer was such, but inconvenient, but firstly it is a tradition, and secondly, saving water.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 30 November 2012 12: 35
        +4
        They really save water.
        But the Bedouins, for example, wash themselves with sand!
        Who ever watched the movie, the 13th warrior with Banderos, saw how the Vikings washed themselves with one cup rushing in a circle in a circle and blowing their nose in turn? belay
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 November 2012 12: 36
        +5
        Quote: omsbon
        Once I pinned a friend of the Englishman about washing in a basin with water alone for hands, feet and face. The answer was such, but inconvenient, but firstly it is a tradition, and secondly, saving water.

        Dear Andrew!
        I also asked the owners of the house where he lived, why are they washing themselves so !?
        The answer was saving water, although it seems to me this is a tradition!
        Then I had to buy a rubber similarity to a hose and screw it on to the taps to wash myself normally! In winter there was torment at first, the hand froze from cold water, and the hot burned!
        But they bathe almost as well, fill the bath, wash themselves and without washing off the soap and dirt, wipe themselves!
    2. Y34Gagarin
      Y34Gagarin 30 November 2012 15: 51
      +3
      This is what. In addition, I know that even in our time they wash themselves in the same water in the bathroom. First wife, then husband!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 November 2012 16: 48
        +3
        Quote: Y34Gagarin
        This is what. In addition, I know that even in our time they wash themselves in the same water in the bathroom. First wife, then husband!

        So I about it))))))))
        Or do you think that every member of the family refills the wash basin or bathtub?))))))))))))
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 30 November 2012 18: 36
          +3
          Come on ... everyone "quotes" the way they want. Tradition is, of course, yes. Ours can also cause them to be confused. let them live there as they lived, found something to look at ... show them the bathhouse!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 November 2012 18: 59
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            show them the bath!

            Yes, no, the question is not in the bath, dear Roman, by the way, I am very glad to see you!
            Just when you live in those conditions are forced to be smart!)))
        2. tolan_petrovich
          tolan_petrovich 3 December 2012 12: 21
          0
          FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
  15. Leisure
    Leisure 30 November 2012 11: 35
    +13
    I read on our website that the Germans checked Soviet women stolen into slavery for venous diseases and were surprised that most virgins were not infected with venous diseases.
  16. Dimon Lviv
    Dimon Lviv 30 November 2012 11: 46
    -2
    The article is somewhat reminiscent of the myth of "a million raped German women".
    It seems that the Soviet soldier in her is good, and the European women in the majority are slightly bl ... di, but the article left some kind of disgusting impression.
    For comparison, the author could mention how many victims among women in the USSR were from Germans.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 30 November 2012 12: 50
      +6
      Dimon-Lviv, support ..
      Do you know why an abominable impression?
      From this - "they were told that Soviet soldiers, especially Asians, would rape and kill them ... Fear and hatred on their faces. But sometimes it seems that they like to be defeated - their behavior is so helpful, their smiles are so sweet and the words are sweet .. "
      ...
      Our soldiers have not yet entered Europe - and the glory of "rapists and murderers" is in front of them. By leaps and bounds.
      ...
      Ideological war.
      Walked, goes and will go. Against Russia. Against the Slavs.
      ..
      than to be ... deliberately raped and murdered - it’s easier to push the legs apart, you see, they can slip through.
      ..
      I seriously doubt that immediately after the battle, or during the battle, it occurred to anyone to rape anyone.
      And in a day or two .... for violence, probably, it was possible to rake. Well ... the victim’s interest woke up - what kind of soldiers are these? Why didn’t they immediately kill, raped? Maybe now - will slip through?
      ...
      In my opinion - a noisy little thing. The material base is not enough. The findings are global.
  17. 22rus
    22rus 30 November 2012 12: 07
    +2
    What do the participants in the events say?
    The memoirs studied at http://militera.lib.ru and http://www.iremember.ru/ concerning this question give approximately equal proportions of three answers to the question of the topic:
    - there was nothing similar - neither in our part, nor in others
    - we didn’t have, but in neighboring parts, they say, there was a
    - Yes, it was, but I did not take part.

    I'm not going to pretend to be an angel, like some. I will not say what happened in this “aspect” in the rifle regiments of the division, I can only tell about my company. We never spared the Germans, including civilians ... We did what we wanted, and I’m not going to repent of it. It was a fair retribution for their crimes on our land.

    Three kilometers remained before Germany, and the corps commander came to us in reconnaissance. One of the scouts asked him: “What can you do with the Germans?” Komkor looked around and said: “Anything!” ... The first 50 kilometers we walked on German soil without encountering the civilian population. And then it began ...

    We were brutalized by the war, it came to the point that sometimes we simply threw cellars and cellars with grenades in which civilians were hiding with Wehrmacht soldiers. It happened in our company several times ... And the civilians could shoot under the hot hand ... And I threw grenades, and killed too ...

    But we became animals in war only thanks to the Germans. They were “wonderful teachers,” and by killing or raping, we took an example from them! After all, the Germans not only taught us how to fight, great ... For over three years, we had seen enough of their savage, inhumane atrocities. We completely forgot such phrases as “the working class of Germany” or “simple German working people are waiting for deliverance from Hitlerism” ... Moreover, I, as a Jew, did not have the slightest pity for them. Only hatred and the desire to kill everyone to the last .... He said how it was. If you want - print ... it's up to you ...

    http://www.sem40.ru/index.php?newsid=219946
    1. Dimon Lviv
      Dimon Lviv 30 November 2012 12: 10
      +10
      Among the millions of soldiers, there are always a few with a war-torn psyche. But "Throwing grenades into cellars with civilians" was never traditional for the Red Army - the Russians did not fight with civilians!
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 30 November 2012 12: 56
        +7
        You will throw one cellar, it will not remain on the next grenade.
        And there it sits ... a pretzel.
        Nonsense, not memory ... from the site seven or forty.
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 18
        0
        Yes, not a few, but there are many of them - nothing can be done about it ...
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 30 November 2012 13: 45
          +6
          Lot...
          base, base, evidence base ... where?
          Look below, 22rus gives a report on the surrender of cases to the tribunal. This is clear. But not really.
          A lot, a little ... raped or laid herself ...
          Breivik, without batting an eye, took and laid 77 people.
          I don’t know where, but I’m sure that our boy, who was raping a third German woman, wouldn’t be allowed to serve his own. Would surrender ... to Durkee, at best.
          ...
          Such materials do not cause me to desire to sprinkle ashes on my head with ash ... and get on my knees.
          There are, by the way, and friends in Germany. Germans. So they do not want to talk about war at all. And as a matter of conversation, Noah starts blaming Germany. Once a ride. Further ... listening is unpleasant. There was a war. Guilt - were. Remember - we will. To be considered - finished.
          Until forced to remind.
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 16: 57
            0
            If a country includes a group of several million people, then according to statistics there should be more than one thousand potential rapists! And nothing can be done about it, especially since there are former criminals ...
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 30 November 2012 14: 18
      -6
      complete nonsense, this is just from that series about 2 million raped Germans.
      1. Harlin
        Harlin 30 November 2012 16: 03
        +7
        Why rape them if they themselves joyfully give a loaf of bread?!.
  18. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 30 November 2012 12: 30
    -1
    How could a woman write such an article.
    And the men gossip about women who survived the war and find themselves surrounded by a foreign army - ignoble. And prostitutes do not have a nationality.
    1. xan
      xan 1 December 2012 00: 11
      0
      you are all in white
      you can’t win a war
  19. German
    German 30 November 2012 12: 35
    +8
    Europeans and now, at the slightest threat, they are ready to spread their legs .... although they have picked up feminism ... and our woman can still beat if she does not want to give. wink wink laughing laughing
    1. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 3 December 2012 12: 26
      0
      yes stopudovo!
  20. omsbon
    omsbon 30 November 2012 12: 37
    +6
    Where are the millions raped? Where?
    In the erotic fantasies of liberal fighters, well, they want to be raped at least virtually.
    The article does not reveal anything new, many veterans of the war told many things.
    1. 22rus
      22rus 30 November 2012 12: 56
      -3
      Quote: omsbon
      Where are the millions raped? Where?

      Well, I won’t say anything about millions, but the fact that there were such cases, and in sufficient quantities, is known.

      From the Report of the Military Prosecutor of the 1st Belorussian Front to the Front Military Council on the implementation of the directives of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command and the Front Military Council on changing attitudes towards the German population
      2 May 1945 city
      ..............
      In relation to the German population, on the part of our military personnel, of course, a significant turning point has been achieved. The facts of aimless and [unreasonable] executions of Germans, looting and rape of German women were significantly reduced, nevertheless, even after the issuance of directives of the Supreme High Command and the Military Council of the Front, a number of such cases have been recorded.

      If the executions of the Germans are currently almost not observed at all, and the cases of robbery are of a singular nature, then violence against women still takes place; the flunkiness, consisting in the walking of our servicemen into abandoned apartments, collecting all sorts of things and objects, etc., has not stopped yet.
      I give a number of facts recorded in recent days:
      On April 25, in Falkensee, the deputy commander of the 1st Battery for the 334th Guards Detachment was detained. heavy self-propelled artillery regiment Lieutenant Enchivatov, who was intoxicated when he went home and raped women.
      Enchikhatov was arrested, the case was completed by the investigation and transferred to a military court for hearing.
      The Red Army outposts of the 157th separate border regiment Ivanov and Manankov in the city of Fronau, being in a state of intoxication, entered the house of a German. In this house, Manankov raped a sick German Liselet Lure. [246] April 22, p. d. she was raped by a group of our servicemen, after which she poisoned her son for a year and a half, her mother was poisoned and she herself tried to poison herself, but was saved. In a state of illness after poisoning her, Manankov also raped. Ivanov at that time raped the German Kirchenwitz.
      Ivanov and Manankov were arrested, the case was completed by the investigation and transferred to the military tribunal for hearing.
      The commander of the mortar company of the 216th page regiment of the 76th page of the division of Art. Lieutenant Buyanov arbitrarily declared himself the head of the Bernau patrol and drunkenly stopped all passing Germans, taking away their valuables.
      Buyanov brought to trial by a military tribunal.
      Lieutenant Colonel Losiev, the chief of staff of the 278th page regiment of the 175th page of the division, sent a lieutenant subordinate to him in the basement, where the Germans were hiding, so that he would choose and bring a German woman to him. The lieutenant complied with the order, and Losiev raped the woman brought to him.
      By order of the Military Council of the Army, Lt. Col. Losiev was removed from his post and appointed with a reduction.
      On April 22, in the village of Schenerlinde, the gun commander of the 695th artillery regiment of the 185th page of the division, sergeant Dorokhin, in a drunken state, threatening with a weapon, raped a 15-year-old girl in front of his parents.
      Dorokhin was arrested and put on trial by a military tribunal.
      On April 25, Lieutenant Kursakov, in the presence of her husband and children, tried to rape an elderly German woman in charge of the operational department of the headquarters of the 79th building.
      Kursakov has been prosecuted.
      A whole series of such facts can also be cited regarding other compounds.
      .......................
      Military Prosecutor of the 1st Belorussian Front Major General Justice L. Yachenin
      .

      This is only on the 1st Belorussian Front.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 30 November 2012 13: 17
        +13
        Quote: 22rus
        Well, I won’t say anything about millions, but the fact that there were such cases, and in sufficient quantities, is known.


        So what? The beaters were always there, just feel the difference ... these frostbiters were tried by the tribunal ....
        And what did the conquered conquerors do during the Dragna Ostens? Photos from the network lead to mass executions of civilians ... about wear and tear in general, you can keep silent ..
        Or can you give similar examples where soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht for rape in the occupied Soviet territories went under the tribunal?
        The fact of the matter is that no, there wasn’t such a thing for them was the norm to kill and rape. So there’s nothing to rush around.
        1. xan
          xan 30 November 2012 14: 34
          +12
          Sakhalin, completely agree
          the document that 22rus cited, as they would say now - "positive for the image of the red army"
          and not yet in the subject, but I would like to add.
          A couple of years ago, in an Internet article was discussed about millions of raped Germans. One wrote about the incident, which he himself witnessed - drunken German men fought in Germany, so one fought especially fiercely, and everyone yelled "who do you want to beat German pigs, me, the son of a Russian soldier."
          1. Harlin
            Harlin 30 November 2012 16: 01
            +5
            Quote: xan
            everyone shouted “whom do you want to beat German pigs, me, the son of a Russian soldier

            Yes ... that's interesting, how many of ours were born there ?!
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 13: 19
        -2
        Of course they were, they could not but be - it's even just statistics ...
      3. Dimych
        Dimych 30 November 2012 14: 06
        +9
        Great quote. Just pay attention, after the description of each fact - brought to trial by a military tribunal. And now, to restore historical justice, provide the same information regarding the valiant Wehrmacht knights for similar crimes that they committed on our land. How many of them and how was punished by the German command?
        And then, a similar list for the 1st Belorussian Front with a number of several hundred thousand soldiers looks somehow liquid. Moral freaks and degenerates were everywhere and always, but the Soviet government fought against them and punished, and Nazism, on the contrary, encouraged.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 14: 10
          -3
          In fact, they also did not particularly encourage this - this is not an excuse, it was simply believed that "ours" were unworthy of "communication" with the Aryans ...
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 30 November 2012 18: 40
            +1
            Say you didn’t fuck ...
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 19: 22
              0
              I wrote - was not encouraged ...
              1. Jaromir
                Jaromir 30 November 2012 21: 03
                +5
                Brother Sarych,
                Conclusion; not encouraged, but fucked!
        2. 22rus
          22rus 30 November 2012 21: 02
          +2
          Quote: Dimych
          And now, to restore historical justice, provide the same information regarding the valiant Wehrmacht knights for similar crimes that they committed on our land. How many of them and how was punished by the German command?

          It's not that simple. "I pressed the first one that came across, put it in, breathed it in and again into battle" does not work.
          In the First World War, the losses of the German army from sexually transmitted diseases amounted to about 2 million people. The losses of the German army in the Second World War from sexually transmitted diseases are significantly less - 706 thousand people. These are those who got gonorrhea and syphilis, and those who could not therefore fight for some time. 706 thousand - this is almost 3 times more than the losses of the German army near Stalingrad. Every day, on average, the German army did not count 14 battalions, or 7 thousand people. But this scale would naturally be even greater if the German command had not taken some measures.
          Firstly, of course, there was a strict ban on any sexual intercourse, some promiscuous sexual relations with the local population, especially in the East.
          Secondly, the German army simply established state brothels.
          In 1942, there were about 500 Wehrmacht brothels in the occupied territories.

          Brothel for German officers.

          In March 1942, the Wehrmacht command gave the order to create brothels in the occupied territories of the USSR. The girls went through a rigorous selection process. Particularly welcomed were Latvians, Lithuanians and deep-rooted Germans. The farther inland, the softer the selection criteria became - they were already looking at external indicators. Aryan indicator: growth is not lower than 175 cm, blond hair, blue-eyed or gray-eyed - few survived, so they scored healthy, beautiful and more or less able to speak German.
          Many went to prostitutes to feed themselves, but many were forced to coitus.
          A soldier to visit the brothel received the appropriate coupon from the commander (for a month the rank and file was supposed to be 5-6 pieces), he underwent a medical examination, registered a coupon upon arrival at the brothel, and the root was handed over to the military unit’s office, washed (the regulations envisaged handing out a small piece of soap, a small towels and 3 condoms) ... A visit to a brothel cost a soldier 3 marks (entered at the cash desk) and lasted an average of 15 minutes.
          There were also mobile brothels.
          The Nazis still did not trust the priestesses of love from the occupied territories and drove tolerance houses on wheels with well-trained German women. From 5 to 20 women working in a field pouf were listed as employees of the military department. Girls underwent rigorous selection - purebred Aryans, often ardent National Socialists who worked exclusively out of patriotic motives. Every month, an ordinary prostitute was supposed to appease at least 600 soldiers.
          But neither stationary nor mobile brothels set out to contain sexual violence.
          Wehrmacht criminal statistics for 1944 totaled 5349 men convicted of moral misconduct, pederasty, pedophilia ... The tribunal could sentence to death for raping minors. And for the most part, businesses were instituted in France.
  21. understudy
    understudy 30 November 2012 13: 20
    +8
    Quote: Dimych
    It’s always interesting to know how it really was.

    No one objects to this ...
    1975, lieutenant, standing on a railway platform in Weimar, taxiing a kid of 3-4 years old, tugging overcoats on the floor and yelling at the whole station, - Dad, Dad. I blush, mother in shock picks up her offspring and rushes to the other end of the landing ...
    Conclusion: there are a lot of grinning eyewitnesses to my "crime", but there are no participants in the fact, so I saw this pretty pretty German girl for the first and last time in my life. I mean, you can only believe the official documents of THAT era and memoirs, personal memories of the PARTICIPANTS in the events, and not the literary and poetic retellings of "eyewitnesses".
  22. ZKBM-BUT
    ZKBM-BUT 30 November 2012 13: 34
    +4
    when I read such articles, I always find myself thinking that I can be happy only in Russia. beyond the hill, of course, there is more to it. but we have a soul and humanity, there are principles and there is morality.
  23. 8 company
    8 company 30 November 2012 13: 37
    +14
    Anything has happened. My mother, at the age of 7, was driven into East Prussia with her family and there they worked as slaves for a German farmer. She recalled that as the Soviet troops approached, the attitude of the hosts towards them markedly changed for the better. When ours came, they were told to go to the assembly point. Then they drove by that farm in a car and persuaded the driver to call in, so to speak, to look into the eyes of the owners. The whole German family was found dead in the barn, and the little child was also there. Most likely, they were killed precisely because they kept Russian slaves. It is unlikely that these were mass incidents, because the vast majority of such slave farmers left. That farmer stayed because, according to his recollections, in 1MB the Russians behaved pretty well. Well, property, of course, he was sorry. I did not take into account that in WW1 the Germans did not burn Russian villages together with the inhabitants.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 30 November 2012 14: 22
      +2
      It was then that teams from the SS were formed that killed everyone who was loyal to the Soviet soldiers. I will never believe that a Soviet soldier could kill a farmer, women and children.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 14: 31
        +1
        Of course, ours could be killed - people are different, circumstances too ...
        And now they kill anyone in peacetime, and then there was a war ...
      2. ZKBM-BUT
        ZKBM-BUT 30 November 2012 16: 01
        +4
        this is not a farmer, this is a slave owner.
  24. Yarbay
    Yarbay 30 November 2012 13: 56
    +2
    but in general, as Genghis Khan said, “I am your punishment of God. If you have not committed great sins, God will not send me to you. ”
  25. Dobrokhod Sergey
    Dobrokhod Sergey 30 November 2012 14: 42
    +6
    After all, we live only once.

  26. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 30 November 2012 21: 16
    +10
    I read the article in the morning. I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Attached Senyavsky cultural Europe. Well done, woman! I decided to participate in the discussion, but ran away to work. I got to the site just now. That war has flared up! Just like on Pagman at one time ... But the trolls divorced, already rippling in his eyes. From morning till night, they’re surfing the Internet, swamp silver mines working out ...
    Well, let's proceed to “debriefing” and “distribution of elephants”.

    Quote: Brother Sarych
    I don't even know how to give a softer review of this "scientific" work! Let's just say - some kind of abomination ...
    Throughout the text there are references to some recollections of not very famous Jews. and appearing in the 2000s, for solidity, diluted out of context phrases of more respectable characters ...


    Quote: Brother Sarych
    I did not write that this is nonsense - I wrote that this is an abomination!
    Surnames on links - this is nonsense, for that matter ...
    Surprise, but I know who it is and have read some of the things mentioned here! Only in these books "this question" is not the main one, but passes somewhere on the sidelines, and is often referred to as another fact in terms of denouncing "capitalism and the rotten West" ...


    “Not very famous Jews” is probably the Soviet director Grigory Chukhrai (“Cranes are flying”, “Clear Skies”), poets David Samoilov (“Forty, fatal ...”) and Boris Slutsky (“Horses in the Ocean”) - both By the way, from the old school curriculum. However, you probably have a different program in Uzbekistan ... And the fact that it was typical for many intelligent boys who got into the war to reflect on diaries. But not everyone later had the chance to publish the fruits of their reflections. And the fact that the "women's theme" was not their main one, because no one ever claimed that. Although, if you, as you write here, “read” something “from the aforementioned”, you might notice that it was not dedicated to separate lines or paragraphs, but to independent chapters.

    Quote: Brother Sarych
    You will laugh, but wrote and plan to continue!
    I had about a hundred publications somewhere, then I lost track of it - they published something, something didn’t, that’s the exact accounting


    And how would be more specific? Where can I read? Don’t give a reference? About a hundred publications - is it print or online? On Samizdat? Or in Tamizdat? Or are you talking about paid comments?

    Quote: Brother Sarych
    This is not normal, this is a perversion!
    If the rest of the books are in the same way - my condolences ....


    Like "I did not read, but I will say ..." Virgin you are our un kissed. Say also that you turned red when you read.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 00: 03
      -4
      Who are Chukhrai, Samoilov and Slutsky, I know, but who are Plotnikov, Gelfand - I have no idea, maybe you know? By the way, when did Samoilov and Slutsky enter the school curriculum? That’s how I’ve graduated from school for more than thirty years, maybe I forgot that - that’s what I read, I remember. and what was included in the program - no ...
      The publications were printed, highly specialized, uninteresting for an outside person, and I don't consider posts on the network - there is not enough "o" in Google to reflect everything ...
  27. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 30 November 2012 21: 46
    +10
    Quote: Milafon
    Disgusting article! Huge officer minus!

    Quote: Milafon
    How could a woman write such an article.
    And the men gossip about women who survived the war and find themselves surrounded by a foreign army - ignoble. And prostitutes do not have a nationality.


    About the avatar. Dmitry Anatolyevich?! It is you?????? Yourself? Really condescended? The country to troll is not enough for you - have you taken up sites? Well, VV will deal with the country, and as for the site - sorry ...
    Regarding the "officer minus." Which regiment did you serve? And in what ranks? And what are you, all of yourself so noble and right, doing in the comments on such a "disgusting article"? He will read the moral here, the political officer is unfinished ...

    Quote: dmb
    But Sarych is right about the abomination. And the most abominable thing that her woman wrote. If the article is a scientific study, then what is its purpose? When a biologist cuts a frog, he tries to find the truth and apply it for the good of man. For what good was the opus written. I am afraid that only for the good of the author and his family, for it is paid for. Only two conclusions follow from the article: all Western women are whores, all Jews are gossiping about women. The last one is for the Professor. I still do not understand what you dragged the Great Strugatskys into, but Sarych, speaking about the article, did not sin against the truth, speaking about most of those to whom the "scientific" lady refers.


    And you, my friend, see, judge by yourself. How much is trolling now?
    And the "conclusions", sorry, are not formulated by the author of the article, but by you personally. That is, you personally only understood this from what you read. You, my dear, review Murzilka magazine or Funny Pictures. And about the "scientific lady", so she, by the way, is a laureate of state awards, a world-famous scientist. As for the "purpose" of the article, read the preamble - "to develop a topic" dedicated to the notorious "two million" happy Germans. And the reference is given to an article where the author didn’t leave a stone unturned from these two million and Mr. Bivor with his methods dissects as the very frog - for the benefit of all progressive mankind.

    Quote: Igarr
    In my opinion - a noisy little thing. The material base is not enough. The findings are global.


    And what is their “globalism"? And what is loudness? Very calm, sustained language is written. And the conclusion, in fact, is the same: the European young ladies did not look like the poster heroine suffering in fetters. They didn’t especially suffer under the Germans - “with rare exceptions” (exception - Jewish women in concentration camps, eastern slaves on plantations, members of the Resistance - they too were, but very few, and the typical inhabitants in all countries were typical, who are always the majority and which in any conditions, under any regimes “own shirt closer to the body”).
    1. xan
      xan 30 November 2012 23: 43
      +5
      oprichnik, completely agree, he wanted to write something like that
      I want to add that the war on the German side was aimed at the destruction of our people. in this situation, rape of German women cannot be considered a crime, disgusting of course, but they were not killed. Well, Romanian-Hungarian-Polish-Czech women can really get hungry for men, and even in the status of "macho-winner". if I were freed from the occupation by the victorious women, I would give everyone as much as I could. But seriously, I read the site "I remember", there, in my opinion, ordinary soldiers have the most serious problems "what to eat", and then "how to get some sleep." Without a solution to these problems, it is somehow not up to women, and without the rank and file, millions of German women cannot be raped, you still have to fight.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 30 November 2012 23: 52
      -2
      Surely the author herself under the nickname Oprichnik came to her? And immediately hung all the stamps? Or hung up?
      Is the author a state award winner? Yah? Few of us have a laureate, we can’t push around even with order bearers - only Pugachikha has a full bow of higher orders, not to mention all kinds of marmot Chubais ... And there are more pseudoscience doctors than dirt ...
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 1 December 2012 17: 14
        -2
        Quote: Oprichnik
        Oprichnik

        Disengage from DAM focus on that. what is in his hands is a melofon (a device that would understand the language of animals). I understand you perfectly.
        My education, upbringing and officer rank does not accept animal joy about violence against women wherever and by whom.
        As for the details of my personal life - it's not your ......... business!
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 1 December 2012 17: 43
          -1
          What are you saying, baby ... You use the device, so that we animals understand ... Well, how did it fit into the new look of the armed forces? People like you do not survive in the troops. Unless in the adjutants under Zhenechka Vasilyeva.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 1 December 2012 23: 21
            +3
            All your ... work .. Vladimir Litvinenko - just from the category of crackling ..
            Ah, oh, waved to the right - the lane, left - the passage is small ..
            What and to whom did you ... explain ... with such a hussar attack?
            ... th comment
            They raped ... it was.
            The killings ... were.
            How will we relate? Suffer and unfasten the shoulder blade? No .. and not close to the topic ..... This is my point .. in the comments.
            WHAT did YOU comment?
            His ... originality? They came running home from work ... they clattered claudia ... hung around everyone you disliked .. snot ...
            And screwed ... to work ... yes?
            ".. If you want to be beautiful - join the hussars .."
            ...
            You are not a guardsman .... a hussar.
            The same ... light, colorful, ..... ringing.
            1. MilaPhone
              MilaPhone 2 December 2012 11: 04
              +1
              Quote: Oprichnik
              What are you saying, baby ... You use the device, so that we animals understand ... Well, how did it fit into the new look of the armed forces? People like you do not survive in the troops. Unless in the adjutants under Zhenechka Vasilyeva.

              Don’t worry about the old man for me. Take care of the nerves, and then squander so rushing at people expressing their opinions.
              1. Oprichnik
                Oprichnik 2 December 2012 18: 08
                -1
                And how much is "your" opinion now? Can you provide a price list?
                1. dmb
                  dmb 2 December 2012 19: 06
                  +2
                  Oh, how am I late for the distribution. Well, as one little-known Ph.D. in philosophy says, let's start distributing elephants. In his panegyric to the world luminary, the philosopher expressed his opinion on the purpose of THIS article. If it matches the author's, then it's still much worse than I thought. It turns out that the author, instead of refuting the massive nature of the atrocities allegedly perpetrated by our army, as arguments in the dispute only cites: "You yourself would ...". Such arguments are more common on a crowded tram: "And also with glasses. He's a fool himself." However, I did not take part in scientific disputes, and I fully admit that they are in use in modern philosophical science. However, in my, and as it turns out, thank God and not only in my, unscientific understanding, this can only be regarded as an abomination. About the "unfinished" political officer. This is certainly great. Science (philosophy), this is not a stall to open with a nail. One can feel the syllable of a learned husband. But the problem lies elsewhere, a person's decency is not always determined by his military specialty. I knew a paratrooper minister of defense. The most vile type, lackey. And he was even proud of his lackeys.
                  1. Oprichnik
                    Oprichnik 2 December 2012 19: 42
                    -1
                    Oh, one more troll child has drawn - yet "not convicted" and "not consisted" ... Now the whole set is assembled.
                    I have been waiting for you, Dima. Where did you go? What, the owners are so hooked that you are already on the person? Is there really nothing more to say (in the sense, in the case ...)?
                    And kicking the dead is now in fashion, and most importantly, safe. Yes, and probably profitable. You better know. As for decency, I completely agree with you: in this case, it is determined by the content of comments on this site. Does he seem to be positioned as an officer? Do you really wear epaulettes?
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 2 December 2012 21: 25
                      +2
                      Brother Sarych. Apparently you are right. I don’t know about the author’s academicism, but the candidates of philosophical sciences clearly make 4 mistakes in the word “still”. This means the Bologna system is bearing fruit. Scholarship apparently allows poking strangers. We homewomen do not understand this. To the guardsman. I speak the same about the living and the dead. The way they deserve it.
  28. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 30 November 2012 22: 07
    +2
    Quote: Dimon Lviv
    The article is somewhat reminiscent of the myth of "a million raped German women".
    It seems that the Soviet soldier in her is good, and the European women in the majority are slightly bl ... di, but the article left some kind of disgusting impression.
    For comparison, the author could mention how many victims among women in the USSR were from Germans.

    Quote: vladsolo56
    complete nonsense, this is just from that series about 2 million raped Germans.


    Read the preamble. There is a reference given. Do not be too lazy to click, tea hand will not fall off.
  29. Varies
    Varies 30 November 2012 23: 29
    +2
    Yes, the trolls got divorced here lately there was a lot of something, as if conscience had already been completely lost ... and the most puzzling thing is that they can't even really troll, solid stamps and grease from the monitor have to be wiped off with a rag lol

    The article is informative, and most importantly once again confirms the fact that Europe, from the Middle Ages, and maybe even earlier, was a syphilis cesspool, dirty and disgusting.
  30. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 1 December 2012 00: 17
    +4
    Quote: Brother Sarych
    Surely the author herself under the nickname Oprichnik came to her? And immediately hung all the stamps? Or hung up?
    Is the author a state award winner? Yah? Few of us have a laureate, we can’t push around even with order bearers - only Pugachikha has a full bow of higher orders, not to mention all kinds of marmot Chubais ... And there are more pseudoscience doctors than dirt ...


    Yes, you, my friend, are really preoccupied: something for you, women everywhere seem.
    And at the expense of labels - you, our objective one, in the last two minutes have put so many minuses to everyone who agreed with me. And why didn’t they provide references to their epochal works? You look, and you will receive a degree or state award for them. And then they’ll catch up and add. Order there or a medal. With a spin on the back.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 14: 05
      -3
      But I’m wondering how did you find out to whom and what did I put? It seems not a moderator ...
      Or is it your fantasies?
      And what am I obliged to give you links? They simply do not exist on the Internet, they were not posted - that's all ...
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 1 December 2012 15: 50
        +1
        Handwriting, old man, handwriting ... You can’t confuse him with anything ...
        And references can be given to printed works. By God, I will not be too lazy to go to the library to see what you are a narrow specialist in ... Or are you afraid to light up your surname? So you are far away, in a new independent state - why should you be afraid? Or is there simply nothing to show of the vaunted "somewhere around a hundred publications"? Anyone can lie ... a writer.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 18
          -2
          Is it sense to lie about publications? Yes, I don’t want to light up, I also have a site account for fake soap registered ...
          1. Oprichnik
            Oprichnik 1 December 2012 20: 44
            0
            A type for solidity. But in reality - zilch, an empty place.
            Everything's clear with you. You are not interesting for me.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 20: 50
              0
              Zilch, zilch, of course, an empty place, how could it be otherwise, I'm generally illiterate, 4 classes of education, and then for a couple of years in each class - you revealed my terrible secret ...
              And how interesting you are to me is simply hard to describe!
              1. Oprichnik
                Oprichnik 1 December 2012 21: 09
                0
                Well, finally admitted everything. Wholehearted will count towards you ... maybe.
  31. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 1 December 2012 00: 55
    +8
    Quote: 22rus
    Well, I won’t say anything about millions, but the fact that there were such cases, and in sufficient quantities, is known.

    From the Report of the Military Prosecutor of the 1st Belorussian Front to the Front Military Council on the implementation of the directives of the Supreme High Command Headquarters and the Front Military Council on changing attitudes towards the German population. May 2, 1945 <...>


    But this trolling will be more serious.
    Facts are a stubborn thing. But they do not need to be pulled out of context. In any such report, first there are general figures, and only then a listing of specific episodes. Honor you, my friend, that’s really the army of rapists.
    In the article by Senyavskaya, which is referred to in the preamble, this document, by the way, is cited. But correctly, unlike you, with relevant statistics.
    By the way, when publishing such documents, the names of the “defendants” are not completely given. For this reason, they are not given out of the archive to anyone. And if no one got it, then they quote very correctly. I wonder how he got to you? Is he still secret? Or not already? Personally, I never declassified it at TsAMO.

    I quote the appropriate quote.

    “Speaking about the extent of rape in the zone of responsibility of the Soviet troops, we should cite an excerpt from the report of the military prosecutor of the 1st Belorussian Front on the implementation of the Supreme Command of the Supreme High Command No. 11072 and the Military Council of the 1st Belorussian Front No. 00384 on changing attitudes towards the German population by 5 May 1945: “Following the instructions of the Military Council of the Front, the Military Prosecutor's Office of the Front systematically monitors the implementation of the directives of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command and the Military Council of the Front on changing attitudes towards the German population. We have to admit that the facts of robberies, violence and other illegal actions by our troops against the local German population not only did not stop, but even in the period from April 22 to May 5 continued to be quite widespread.

    I give figures characterizing this situation for the 7 armies of our front: the total number of outrages on the part of servicemen against the local population recorded in these 7 armies, 124, of which: rape of German women - 72, robberies -38, murders-3, others illegal actions - 11 ”[36].

    We emphasize that this is data on 7 armies of the front storming Berlin in the midst of urban battles, that is, 908,5 thousand people. personnel at the beginning of the Berlin operation, of which 37,6 thousand were irretrievable and 141,9 thousand sanitary losses [37] - and only 72 cases of rape in two weeks! Considering that in the future the number of rapes and “other atrocities”, according to the materials of the military prosecutor’s office and the tribunals, went down, the figure of 100 thousand residents of Berlin who were “abused by Soviet barbarians,” to put it mildly, does not dance. Not to mention two million. "

    [36] TsAMO of the Russian Federation. F. 233. Op. 2380. D. 35. L. 93-102.
    [37] Vulture of secrecy removed. Losses of the Armed Forces of the USSR in wars, military operations and military conflicts. M., 1993.S. 219.

    72 cases on 7 front armies. Do you calculate the percentage or give a link to the calculator?
    1. 22rus
      22rus 1 December 2012 08: 56
      -4
      Quote: Oprichnik
      But they do not need to be pulled out of context. In any such report, first there are general figures, and only then a listing of specific episodes. Honor you, my friend, that’s really the army of rapists.

      Do not want to read me - read the source.
      Here is the full text of the report of the military prosecutor of the 1st Belarusian front.
      http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/berlin_45/08.html

      Quote: Oprichnik
      By the way, when publishing such documents, the names of the “defendants” are not completely given. For this reason, they are not given out of the archive to anyone

      You need songs surnames - I have them.
      From the aforementioned report of the prosecutor Yachenin:
      ... Red Army outposts of the 157th separate border regiment Ivanov and Manankov in the city of Fronau, being in a state of intoxication, they went into the house of a German. In this house Manankov raped a sick German Liselet Lure. [246] April 22, p. d. she was raped by a group of our servicemen, after which she poisoned her son for a year and a half, her mother was poisoned and she herself tried to poison herself, but was saved. In a state of illness after poisoning her Manankov and raped ....
      Want to know the name of the "hero"? No problem! At the same time, you will find out his further fate.
      Here he is, the last on this page.

      Pay attention to the punishment. No execution. Only 10 years without losing rights.
      By the way, 10 years is a relatively steep term for such a crime. In the same document in paragraph 1 Ukolov P.I. the driver from the NKVD received only 3 years.

      Quote: Oprichnik
      72 cases on 7 front armies. Do you calculate the percentage or give a link to the calculator?

      72 cases, of course, not many. Only these are only those cases of which the command became aware. And how many were there really? After all, it is naive to believe that all raped people immediately ran to complain. And to whom and how to complain? Where to look for a rapist, part of which slipped through a settlement in a day? How and from whom to find out at least the part number and surname, whom to look for? Yes, any commander will refuse, so as not to rattle on his own for the lack of discipline in the unit.
      I think that they really handed over the most notorious maniacs or those who accidentally fell under the hot hand.
      1. Kostya pedestrian
        Kostya pedestrian 1 December 2012 12: 10
        0
        In more detail, please, I write it down De lure or De facto?
  32. Slevinst
    Slevinst 1 December 2012 01: 15
    +4
    We need to protect our moral principles, our homeland, to honor the memory of our ancestors, not to succumb to provocations, and called it to everyone who is trying to intervene in our life and in the life of our country
  33. Magadan
    Magadan 1 December 2012 01: 35
    +9
    There are no doubts that European women were raped, there are enough concerned scumbags.
    That's just so far that such people are considered scumbags in our culture. Even if they rape women from an enemy country. Although much I would not have condemned such soldiers.
    Yes, this is an abomination, of course, but after all that the Germans have done to us, we can only wonder at Russian mercy that we didn’t wipe Germany off the face of the earth. Our grandfathers were still people not only strong in spirit, but really really kind people. If only every tenth raped, robbed and killed, then this is more than peaceful in relation to the invaders. And apparently, the percentage of thugs in our troops was much smaller!
    I’m afraid that war will happen now, our generation will no longer be as polite and politically correct as our grandfathers from the time of the Second World War. Well, of course, pee on corpses and put it on the Internet like the Americans, hardly anyone will
    1. tolan_petrovich
      tolan_petrovich 3 December 2012 14: 37
      +1
      I agree with you!
  34. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 1 December 2012 01: 51
    +6
    Quote: sapulid

    sapulid IE Today, 00:13
    You need to talk to the Berliners about Victory Night. Unfortunately, this fact took place against the backdrop of general euphoria. In the morning, order was restored, many participants in the lawlessness were shot directly on the street without trial, but the spot remained. This was the ONLY occasion in our history. I understand the feelings of our soldiers, but a crime against civilians remains a crime.


    A link to the source, please. Or is it also from the category of memoirs of German old women on the theme of a joke: “They are raping! They are raping! .. One cannot even dream ... "
    That is after our capture of Berlin in less than a month 800 thousand refugees returned. Probably, in line with the rapists became ...
    And about the executions of “many participants of lawlessness right on the street without trial or investigation” - are you out of your mind? How do you imagine this? Purely technically?
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 14: 07
      -1
      And where were the refugees supposed to go? Just wondering...
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 1 December 2012 16: 00
        +2
        How to where? To the humane democratic West, to our adored Anglo-American allies. Why did they run back from them in droves? And they would run further if they had not blocked the border between the zones ...
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 1 December 2012 19: 21
          -1
          What sector did they return to? So Berlin was divided into four zones, it is quite possible that they just returned to the allied sectors ...
          In any case, a person seeks to return home, no matter what the house is ...
  35. de_monSher
    de_monSher 1 December 2012 02: 11
    +7
    A good article ... otherwise you will read abominations about millions of raped Germans, and it’s filthy in your soul - they’ll write u-b-l-d-d-k-i, all sorts of different things ... about our ancestors ... winners. And then, after this abomination, you will also read nationalistic nonsense, and you don’t want to live at all ... * (after all, such ancestors had such descendants ... tfu, damn it ...

    after all, it is nasty that, then they write, the first inventions are those people who want their secret desires = and maybe not only secret ones = put on public display. You read, and between the lines you see how many maniacs and moral monsters have divorced in the world. And you read the second ones, which are just "Nazis" and loudly - "nationalists", and you want to howl - a badge-fly, because people went to their deaths, for the sake of all of us, and not hurt separately - Russians, Ukrainians, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Armenians, Georgians , Azerbaijanis, Mordvinov, Yakuts, Tajiks, etc. Eeeeh ... * (
  36. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 1 December 2012 02: 54
    +6
    Quote: Cavas
    Propaganda is a great thing. We do nothing but justify ourselves for the Victory. In the war that surpassed all previous ones in cruelty, anything happened. But when you don't even open it, but just look at the facts, you see - those who teach you morality, condemn, behave with prisoners and civilians even worse ... This is not only about the British and Americans, there are many others you can catch. And then it is immediately heard: "It was a long time ago, it is not confirmed by documents, why bother stirring up the past?" Indeed, absolutely useless. For them, rewriting history, is brazen and unprincipled. But there are still those who have been stirring up, stirring up, and will continue to stir up the past, for the edification of the future.


    I absolutely agree with you. Most often, they try to attribute to us exactly what the "enlightened", "cultural" and "civilized" ones did. And we must make excuses and prove to everyone that they are not camels, they say ... Just the prosecutors and the accusers will not understand in any way that one day the "wild barbarians" can return and behave in full accordance with their scenario. Wanted - get it! And then what will be left of the “cultural” and “civilized” in general? Personally, I happened to fight again, I’m not going to take prisoners.
  37. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 1 December 2012 06: 09
    +5
    I think that weaken military discipline or do not carry out preventive measures in units on the territory of the enemy, or purposefully point out to the soldiers and officers of the Red Army the Nazi atrocities that had previously burned more than 500 villages with children, women and old people in Belarus and Russia, drove Soviet prisoners of war into concentration camps without of all conventions on the observance of rights and food, young children were taken out for the donor needs of the Wehrmacht, in general, they invaded in 1941 in order to completely exterminate the Russian peoples, from Belarus to Transcaucasia, and in this case, I don’t think that Russians would come from women and children like the Nazis did.

    And the situation was just the exact opposite, when the political department of the Red Army and the SVG carried out the idea for the military that the Germans were deceived and betrayed by their own BURNERS, and according to the stories of the Ochivid people that I read in recent years, the generals and army commanders were able to support build discipline in the troops and maintain the high morale of the army and navy.

    Separate episodes, like in society in any other state, there are people who violate the law, and the situation is assessed by the efficiency of the preventive and punitive bodies that perpetrate such activity, and such bodies, especially the preventive propaganda and educational ones, were at their best in the Red Army.
  38. ironman
    ironman 1 December 2012 12: 56
    -3
    Quote: de_monSher
    A good article ... otherwise you will read abominations about millions of raped Germans, and it’s filthy in your soul - they’ll write u-b-l-d-d-k-i, all sorts of different things ... about our ancestors ... winners.

    Of course, I don’t know what happened in Europe Liberated. I know what happened in the Soviet liberated cities. A friend of mine was telling me. He was a kid then. So, as soon as the Soviet army knocked out the Germans from the regional center, the soldiers began to chase and rape Russian women, shouting. you are here with the Germans s.ki lived. They also chased after his mother. I do not think that it was better in Austria.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 1 December 2012 16: 16
      +1
      Oooh, a troll came from Romania itself! Zashpilo .... about the "country of syphilitics."
  39. Rubik
    Rubik 1 December 2012 14: 59
    -4
    You can sketch anything into an article. If anyone wants, you can read about Soviet brothels for foreigners during the war. It is also interesting what the British, Americans, and Germans write about Soviet women.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 1 December 2012 16: 42
      +3
      Want to read what they write? You are welcome.

      Muller: “What wonderful cinemas and coastal cafe-restaurants in Taganrog! By car, I have visited a lot. And only women who were forced to do forced labor were around. ”
      Faust:
      “Oh hell!”
      Muller: “They paved the streets. Stunning girls. Driving by a truck, we grabbed them, dragged them into a truck, processed and threw them away. Man, you should have heard them cursing! ”


      This is from the historian’s recent book in Germany Zenke Knitzel and sociologist Harald Weltzer "Soldiers", a documentary study built on the revelations of German soldiers that they shared with each other in prisoner of war camps. 150 pages of wiretap transcripts made by the British at Trent Park Camps near London and Latimer House in Buckinghamshire and the Americans at Fort Hunt, Virginia. The cameras were crammed with bugs, and the conversations of the supermen were preserved for history. “It turned out that senseless killings, torture, rape, bullying were not the prerogative of the Einsatzgruppes, but were commonplace for the German army. The Wehrmacht prisoners of war remembered the crimes committed as a matter of course, moreover, many flaunted the military “feats”, and nobody particularly suffered remorse and remorse. ”
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 1 December 2012 23: 31
        -1
        Well ... you’re an interesting comrade ... Oprichnik ...
        ..
        From the bottom of my heart I would advise ... to change the profile.
        As far as I know the landing - such ... crackling ... there are none among them.
        ...
        Will we cite fiction as arguments? (but how else will we call the memories ... in the camp ..).
        And then what not with "Three Comrades" - to start?
        "Bye weapons"..?
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 2 December 2012 01: 00
          +1
          Quote: Igarr

          All your ... work .. Vladimir Litvinenko - just from the category of crackling ..
          Ah, oh, waved to the right - the lane, left - the passage is small ..
          What and to whom did you ... explain ... with such a hussar attack?
          ... th comment
          They raped ... it was.
          The killings ... were.
          How will we relate? Suffer and unfasten the shoulder blade? No .. and not close to the topic ..... This is my point .. in the comments.
          WHAT did YOU comment?
          His ... originality? They came running home from work ... they clattered claudia ... hung around everyone you disliked .. snot ...
          And screwed ... to work ... yes?
          ".. If you want to be beautiful - join the hussars .."
          ...
          You are not a guardsman .... a hussar.
          The same ... light, colorful, ..... ringing.


          Quote: Igarr
          Well ... you’re an interesting comrade ... Oprichnik ...
          ..
          From the bottom of my heart I would advise ... to change the profile.
          As far as I know the landing - such ... crackling ... there are none among them.
          ...
          Will we cite fiction as arguments? (but how else will we call the memories ... in the camp ..).
          And then what not with "Three Comrades" - to start?
          "Bye weapons"..?


          Judging by your rattle, dear, you have not seen the landing in the eyes. Yes, and from where? To do this, you need to serve in the army, at least urgent ... But in general, flattered. What, the smaller trolleys can’t cope? Called heavy artillery? Well, well ... By the way, if you do not know: the hussars were the elite of the Russian army. So thanks for the compliment. I accept.

          Now, with regard to chatter and "fiction." If the transcripts of wiretaps in American and English camps are fiction for you, then the tales of "fortunate" German grannies are, of course, documents! The most reliable! Given that every such memory is a good increase in retirement ...

          And you cannot judge my work. Judging by your epaulets, you are working right here. Otherwise, what would they remember about the shovel?

          But you should not be rude. For the "general of the army" is somehow solid.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 2 December 2012 09: 24
            -2
            One thing is good, of all that you have said here - good pen ownership.
            Of the 20 hussar regiments in 1910, two were guards. Is this the elite, do you think?
            Transcripts - wiretaps ... documents?
            "..General of the Army ..", undignified .. - well, if for you electronic candy wrappers are a good reason to teach me life - a flag in your hands.
            1. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 09: 38
              -1
              I remember something like that - if you’re fit for nothing, go to the hussars ...
            2. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 2 December 2012 10: 52
              +2
              Quote: Igarr
              One thing is good, of all that you have said here - good pen ownership.
              Of the 20 hussar regiments in 1910, two were guards. Is this the elite, do you think?
              Transcripts - wiretaps ... documents?
              "..General of the Army ..", undignified .. - well, if for you electronic candy wrappers are a good reason to teach me life - a flag in your hands.


              Quote: Brother Sarich

              I remember something like that - if you’re fit for nothing, go to the hussars ...


              What gentlemen? Are the owners angry? Urgently need to get away from the topic? Will we discuss a hussar? So this is for you to other articles - in 1812 ...
              And I thought, really "heavy artillery" came up ... And you are just Extremely Powerful Organisms. With electronic candy wrappers.
              1. Igarr
                Igarr 2 December 2012 13: 50
                0
                Brother Sarych .. you and I got ..
                understood how to ... conduct conversations ..
                not that we - ".. count, pay attention ..."
                Hey ..
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 17: 34
                  0
                  They sent us, or what? I was somehow distracted, I, probably, the American masters of truancy will write down ...
                  The "paratrooper" was quickly blown away ... I just registered and I already got a warning in the heat of the battle ...
                  1. Oprichnik
                    Oprichnik 2 December 2012 18: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: Brother Sarich
                    They sent us, or what? I was somehow distracted, I, probably, the American masters of truancy will write down ...
                    The "paratrooper" was quickly blown away ... I just registered and I already got a warning in the heat of the battle ..

                    Well, you, my friend, as you can. We are intelligent people ... I just made a diagnosis. But the moderator did not like him. Although there was nothing obscene there. There is simply such a category in the troops ... Not very respected.
                    1. Brother Sarych
                      Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 19: 54
                      -1
                      Do you take too much on yourself - to make diagnoses to strangers?
                      1. Oprichnik
                        Oprichnik 2 December 2012 20: 18
                        +1
                        And it seemed to me that I have known you all my life. I constantly encounter - at conferences, then in audiences. You are many-sided, but the face is always one - trollichnost.
                      2. Brother Sarych
                        Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 21: 45
                        -1
                        I am so alone in this world, so ugly ...
                        I don’t know you, and I don’t want to know ...
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 09: 26
            -1
            And you boast of your achievements, give me references, it became interesting to us, too, especially since no one pulled you by the tongue ...
            Well, it was presented to me, they say, if so smart, then write scientific papers, to which I had to answer what I wrote and plan to continue, only this is not the topic of this site ...
            And the sweat of the clatter of phrases can be understood that you are from self-appointed commissars, not those who attacked, but from those who clung to this rank that girls on Seliger are used to processing ...
  40. Pushkar
    Pushkar 1 December 2012 18: 54
    +3
    There were rapists in the Red Army - all the same, several million men. But only this was a crime, they put him for it. Mother went from Stalingrad to Oder in the road forces, told how in Germany, with a friend, a German helped a girl to recapture her daughter from the rapists and after that they gave the freaks to the commandant’s office. But among the Germans, racial laws provoked the killing of unfortunate victims, otherwise - under the tribunal for a racial crime, but nothing for a murder of Russians.
  41. bart74
    bart74 1 December 2012 19: 42
    +2
    Good article. Thanks to the author. I never believed in mass violence against the defeated Germans and others. Now everything is turned upside down to rearrange and litter the past. These are provocations. I respect the past of my grandfathers who came to Berlin and Budapest, this article is another confirmation of the high moral qualities of Russian soldiers! Glory to the winners!
  42. 22rus
    22rus 1 December 2012 20: 44
    -3
    So what we have.
    1.Our naturally in all white. Although .... there have been cases of sexual crimes by Soviet soldiers regarding women in the liberated territories of Europe. Their number ranges from 2 million, which is not confirmed by anything, to thousands, which is confirmed by Soviet documents. Those. It’s foolish to argue with the facts that there have been such cases. They argue only about their number.
    2. Fascists, of course, scum. Apriori. But ... I will ask a provocative question:
    And someone can submit a document confirming the fact or better yet facts of rape by fascists of Soviet women in the occupied territories of the USSR? Not murders, namely rape.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 1 December 2012 21: 09
      +5
      Mr. provocateurI repeat again - in the Red Army, rape is a crime; in the Wehrmacht and among its allies, rape is nowhere recognized as a crime, and therefore is PROMOTED.
      1. 22rus
        22rus 1 December 2012 21: 14
        -2
        Quote: Pushkar
        in the Wehrmacht and among its allies, rape is nowhere recognized as a crime, and therefore is PROMOTED.

        Well, let there be rewards. Give a document that so many Wehrmacht soldiers were encouraged for raping so many Soviet women.
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 2 December 2012 17: 49
          +1
          Left only about rape.

          The tragedy of Belarusian villages, 1941-1944: Documents and materials / Comp.
          N.V. Kirillova, VD Selemenev and others. Editorial board. IN AND. Adamushko et al. M .: "Historical Memory" Foundation, 2011 - 536 p .: ill.
          http://archives.gov.by/index.php?id=563843, http://www.molodguard.ru/village06.htm


          No. 95. The act on crimes committed in Lelchitsky district during the German punitive operation from July 25 to August 20, 1943, September 1, 1943

          <…> A punitive expedition consisting of the 8th Army in the amount of 50 thousand bandits was sent to our area, which arrived in the area on June 25 and left on August 20. All perfect facts testify to a premeditated plan for the mass extermination of civilians in the Polesie region. This bloody plan for the destruction of innocent old people, women and defenseless children was carried out by Hitler's gang of thugs and sadists. Having burst into the villages, the Nazis burned everything to the ground, killed the elderly, women and children, raped women and underage girls, and repaired a brutal massacre.
          <…> Der. Krupka Buynovichsky s / s. ... Korbut Maria Stepanovna, 32 years old. She was raped by a group of Nazis in front of her mother. Obyhod Maria Markovna, 19 years old. She was raped by a group of Nazis, after which her arms were twisted, beaten until she lost consciousness, and then killed. Tishura Maria, an 83-year-old woman, was raped by the Nazis.
          <…> Der. Birch bark plant, Buinovichi s / s. ... Akulich Antonina Grigorievna, 20-year-old girl. Rape by the Nazis, she died in long agony: her chest was cut out, her arms and legs were twisted.
          <…> Der. Glushkovichi ... Burim Praskovya Makarovna is 22 years old and Burim Teklya Evdokimovna, 22 years old - the Nazis raped them, then put them on stakes and shot them.
          <…> Village Stodolichi ... Krupchik Praskovya, 40 years old - raped by a group of 8 fascists in the presence of her children and fellow villagers. Zhoglo Feodosia Ivanovna - a girl of 13 years old - was raped by a group of fascists (7 people) in the presence of her grandmother. Zhoglo Anna, a 13-year-old girl, was raped by a group of fascists in the presence of her mother.

          <...> Note. The act specifies the atrocities of one expedition; in addition, about 7 civilians were shot in the Lelchitsy region since the beginning of the German occupation.

          NARB. F. 1450. Op. 2. D. 8. L. 92-95; F. 1365. Op. 1. D. 13. L. 1-3. Hard copy. Manuscript on a letterhead. Manuscript.
          1. 22rus
            22rus 2 December 2012 18: 42
            -2
            Thanks, it's already warmer. I can only note that the 8th Wehrmacht army was never in Belarus. Moreover, in the specified time there was no such army in the Wehrmacht. The 8th Army (22nd formation) was recreated on August 1943, XNUMX on the Ukrainian section of the Eastern Front.
            Quote: Oprichnik
            A punitive expedition consisting of 8 Army in the amount of 50 thousand bandits who arrived in the area on June 25 and left on August 20.
            1. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 2 December 2012 19: 13
              +1
              How literate you are.
              But the Chairman of the commission of the Lelchitsky district of the Polessk region of the Belorussian SSR, the secretary of the underground Lelchitsky RK KP (b) B, Roman Roman Lukyanovich and his comrades, might not have known such subtleties: the Germans did not report the numbers of their units to him. Wrong, slander the innocent. What a bad ... Ay-ya-yay!
              1. 22rus
                22rus 2 December 2012 19: 29
                0
                Do you know what I'm afraid of? That, having begun to dig deeper into the Belarusian tragedy (specifically, those facts of atrocities in Polessye in the summer of 1943), we will come out not to ethnic Germans, but to our own compatriots. On the scum from the "Russian police" or from the Latvian police battalion.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 19: 56
                  0
                  Unfortunately, something like this may well turn out ...
                2. Oprichnik
                  Oprichnik 2 December 2012 20: 06
                  +1
                  Are you afraid, then? Do you think that the commissioners deliberately covered the traitors, blaming the white and fluffy Aryans? Were the bastards you mentioned there, you would write about them in the Act, do not hesitate: the witnesses nevertheless stayed and would tell what kind of move the executioners were walking on. And the NKVD, too, was not chewing bread: it was just these that it hunted.
                  1. 22rus
                    22rus 2 December 2012 21: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Oprichnik
                    Do you think that the commissioners deliberately covered the traitors, blaming the white and fluffy Aryans?

                    If you carefully read the Act on Crimes Committed in Lelchitsky District once again, you will find that the text does not mention German soldiers or officers anywhere. Hitlerites or fascists appear, i.e. there could well have been parts from collaborators. There is evidence that partisan units based near the places described were at the same time fighting with units made up of Vlasovites and the eastern Armenian regiment.
                    Quote: Oprichnik
                    nevertheless, the witnesses remained and would have told on what mov their executioners were walking.

                    Latvians were there too.
                    And more.
                    There is a list of all any serious punitive actions carried out by the Germans in the occupied territories of Belarus, indicating the terms, places and participating units. So, Lelchitsky district is not even present anywhere near there. Those. It seems that this is not the work of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
                    http://www.forum-tvs.ru/index.php?showtopic=94834&st=0
                    1. Oprichnik
                      Oprichnik 2 December 2012 22: 05
                      +3
                      Nice to see serious trolling. Yes, you are directly "Devil's Advocate." Or, at worst, Plevako (especially for moderators - this is not a curse word, this is a compliment). I especially liked “any serious actions” ... And a reference to the Echo of Moscow forum. Would you still refer to Mine Kampf ...

                      Have you carefully read the title of the document? "Act on crimes committed in Lelchitsky district during the German punitive operation from July 25 to August 20, 1943." And the lines in the preamble: “We, the undersigned ... have drawn up the present act on all Nazi crimes committed by a punitive expedition from June 25 to August 20 this year. ... " The fact that the "Germans", "fascists" and "Nazis" in the vocabulary of that time were synonymous, of course, you do not know anything. But the traitors, for your information, were called separately - "fascist minions", "German henchmen", "traitors to the motherland" ...
                      1. 22rus
                        22rus 2 December 2012 22: 57
                        -2
                        Indeed, the awl in a bag cannot be hidden.
                        On the forum of search engines in the Gomel region, there is a message about some details of that tragedy in the Lelchinsky district. One link of discussion participants directly says:
                        ... "they say that the Germans were there, but my father told me that they were in Ukrainian"
                        Well, how will you get out now?


                        Damn, I can’t insert the link, it’s blocked ... sad
                      2. Oprichnik
                        Oprichnik 2 December 2012 23: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: 22rus
                        One link of discussion participants directly says:
                        ... "they say that the Germans were there, but my dad told me that they were wheelchair in Ukrainian"


                        Something you are inconsistent. Give you "surnames", "addresses", "passwords" and "attendance", or "one grandmother said" - the ultimate truth. Show the documentary - and what would also be the "addresses", "passwords" and "attendances".
                      3. 22rus
                        22rus 2 December 2012 23: 16
                        -1
                        I can not insert the link.
                        Try typing in Google:

                        So the inhabitants of Lelchitsky district were killed.

                        The topic is short, you can easily find the right quote.

                      4. Oprichnik
                        Oprichnik 2 December 2012 23: 47
                        +2
                        Found. In one case, Ukrainians are mentioned (not in the document, mind you, but in the "oral stories" that the author of the post heard sometime in childhood, and wrote down, probably only now). All the rest are Germans. There could be both. But the documents contain only "Germans".
                        Regarding Ukrainians and Latvians - all questions to A. Dyukov: who, where, how much, whom and how. He ate the dog on this, because he is not allowed into the Schengen area.
              2. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 19: 55
                0
                But he’s actually even too competent - you risk a lot in this field ...
                1. Oprichnik
                  Oprichnik 2 December 2012 20: 12
                  0
                  But I'm generally risky. The costs of education, there's nothing to be done. In the RCPU we were all taught this. A very literate usually wear cast iron.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 2 December 2012 21: 51
                    -1
                    As for the RCPU, I did not quite understand - are you too frivolous for such a venerable age? So it should be strewed with sand, and not sit on sites ...
                    1. Oprichnik
                      Oprichnik 2 December 2012 22: 37
                      +1
                      Eco, brothers, rooting you! Right soul rejoices ... And as for the sand, do not flatter yourself - for your age I have enough.
      2. DimYang
        DimYang 1 December 2012 21: 15
        +3
        Quote: Pushkar
        Mr. provocateur, I repeat once again - rape in the Red Army is a crime, rape is not a crime in the Wehrmacht and its allies, and therefore are PROMOTED.


        Very true.
        1. 22rus
          22rus 1 December 2012 21: 24
          -3
          Quote: dimyan
          Very true.

          It is known how many Germans raped ours.
          I ask a simple question.
          How many Russian women were raped by the Nazis?
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar 1 December 2012 21: 37
            +3
            Seven posts above there is a post Ophistics Reread. There are no separate statistics. During the Great Patriotic War, 13 million civilians of the USSR died at the hands of the Wehrmacht and its allies. How many Germans were raped and alive eaten by our soldiers, then all Democrats know for sure - a trillion okhulionov.
    2. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 1 December 2012 21: 35
      +4
      Read the materials of the Nuremberg trials - there is this good in bulk. Only violence is not given in itself, but those cases when, after gang rape, the victims were also killed in the most sophisticated form (planted on a stake, crucified on a tree, cut off breasts, torn, tied to trees, burned, buried alive, etc. d.). All cases are confirmed and proven. You lay out a detailed description? Won't you puke?

      By the way, if it comes to that, Regina Mühlhäuser found enough material to write a monograph "Sexual Violence and Intimate Relationships of German Soldiers on the Territory of the Soviet Union in 1941-1945", which was published in March 2010. diary entries of Wehrmacht soldiers, their letters from the front, eyewitness accounts, as well as correspondence from various departments. The review of the book was published by the magazine "Der Spiegel" 23.03.2010/XNUMX/XNUMX. Read on and enjoy.
      1. 22rus
        22rus 1 December 2012 21: 52
        -1
        Quote: Oprichnik
        Read the materials of the Nuremberg trials - there is this good in bulk ...... (planted on a stake, crucified on a tree, cut off breasts, torn, tied to trees, burned, buried alive, etc.)

        I agree, there are a lot of things in the materials of Nyurberg. But there are almost no rape facts. I know only one fact from Nuremberg regarding the 16-year-old L.I. Mechnikova.
        Quote: Oprichnik
        Regina Mülhäuser found enough material to write a monograph "Sexual Violence and Intimate Relationships of German Soldiers on the Territory of the Soviet Union in 1941-1945"

        I know.
        1. Oprichnik
          Oprichnik 2 December 2012 17: 24
          +1
          Yes, I was wrong. You will not begin to puke.

          Then get it.

          "In the Zvenigorod district, der. Nalitsa, near a haystack, five corpses of unknown young girls were discovered, raped and brutally executed by the Nazis ... In the Novo-Petrovsky district, in the village Vasilkovskoe, at the edge of the forest, two corpses of raped and brutally tortured girls were found. One of them gouged out eyes, both mutilated breasts. The names of the girls have not been established. ” [Lubyanka in the days of the battle for Moscow: According to declassified documents of the FSB of the Russian Federation / Preface. VC. Vinogradova, Yu.V. Sigacheva. - M .: Belfry-MG, 2002. S. 413.]

          “The Russian medical orderlies were lying on the roads,” recalled Private Von Kleist’s 11st 1th Panzer Division, Hans Rudhoff, of a retreat from Rostov in November 1941. “They were shot and thrown onto the road.” They lay naked ... On these dead bodies ... obscene inscriptions were written. " [Cit. by: Schneer A. Captivity: Soviet prisoners of war in Germany, 1941–1945. - M .: Bridges of culture; Jerusalem: Gesharim, 2005. P. 319.] In Kantemirovka around Moscow, local residents told the soldiers of the Red Army who went on the counterattack that “a wounded lieutenant girl was pulled naked on the road, her face, hands were cut, her breasts were cut off ...” [Ibid. S. 319.].

          “We went to the village of Rozhdestveno near Gatchina,” said Private Peter Schuber, who served at the Seversky Airport. - We had a task: to bring the girls to the officers. We successfully performed the operation, cordoning off all the houses. We scored a full truck of girls. All night the girls were held by gentlemen officers, but in the morning they were given to us, the soldiers. ” [Erenburg I.G. War, 1941–1945: Articles / Comp., Foreword, comment. B.Ya. Frezinsky. - M .: ACT; Astrel, Olympus, 2004. - S. 548.]

          In large cities, stationary brothels were organized. This was standard Wehrmacht practice. But if in European countries the Wehrmacht brothels were manned more or less voluntarily, then on Soviet soil girls and women for German soldiers were mostly collected by force. In Smolensk, for example, women were dragged by the hands, by the hair, dragged along the pavement - to an officer brothel, organized in one of the hotels. [Nuremberg Trials: Compilation. - M.: Legal literature, 1991. - V. 5. P. 95–96.] In case of refusal to stay in a brothel, the execution followed. [Fighter war in the east. Crimes of the Wehrmacht in the USSR. 1941-1944. Reports. - M .: AIRO, 2005. S. 47.]
          1. 22rus
            22rus 2 December 2012 18: 13
            -1
            Quote: Oprichnik
            Then get it.

            Thank you.
            But I asked for something else. Not murder-atrocities, namely rape. And that the fact of this action was recorded.
            In general, we are looking for a mirror image of the one that was in Germany in 1945 from the side of the Red Army. Well, of course, on a scale of 100500 times higher.
            Let me help you.
            It should look like this. Real fact.
            From ACT
            compiled on July 19, 1943 in the village. Ancient settlement

            Gorodishchensky district of the Stalingrad region

            For refusing to work on digging trenches, an officer of the German army (surname unknown) hit with an ax a pin to Ivan Grigoryevich Znamenshchikov, a resident of Gumrak station, born in 1886. As a result of the beating, the Znamenschikov became disabled.

            In September 1942, a German officer, commandant s. Orlovka, came to the house of citizen Knyazev Fyodor Mikhailovich and beat him and his son for absenteeism. A few days later, Knyazev Fedor died from beating.

            In sec. Orlovka, one of the soldiers of the passing German unit (surname unknown), opened fire from a machine gun at the old man Ilyin Yakov Lavrentievich who was standing at his house. And he inflicted 7 bullet wounds, as a result of which Ilyin became disabled.

            In October 1942 in the village. Orlovka 4 Germans, threatening with weapons, raped the collective farmer G. In September, 1942 in the village of Alexandrovka German soldier raped citizen B.

            The act was signed by: Dashko Grigory Petrovich, Podgornova Nina Panteleevna, Ivanov Ilya Alekseevich
            1. Oprichnik
              Oprichnik 2 December 2012 18: 54
              +3
              See the answer above for your own comment on "incentives".

              There are excerpts (a large document, it’s impossible to fully lay out - the site does not let through) from the Act on crimes committed in Lelchitsky district during the German punitive operation from July 25 to August 20, 1943 of September 1, 1943. Published among other similar materials: The tragedy of the Belarusian villages, 1941-1944: Documents and materials / Comp. N.V. Kirillova, VD Selemenev and others. Editorial board. IN AND. Adamushko et al. M .: "Historical Memory" Foundation, 2011 - 536 p .: ill. It can be found on the website: http://www.molodguard.ru/village06.htm
              Everything is there: first names, last names, age and place of residence of the victims, corpus delicti, last names of the people who signed the act. Will it satisfy you? Or attach more acts of exhumation of bodies and the results of a forensic medical examination? I can search. There are friends at the Military Medical Museum ...
    3. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 2 December 2012 17: 35
      0
      After the liberation of Kerch, "in the prison yard a shapeless pile of mutilated naked girl bodies was found, wildly and cynically tormented by the Nazis." [Nuremberg Trials: Compilation. - M.: Legal literature, 1991. - T. 5. S. 121; Nuremberg trial of the main German war criminals: a collection of materials. - M .: Gosyurlitizdat, 1958. - T. 3. P. 246.]

      In the city of Tikhvin, Leningrad Region, a high school student M. Kolodetskaya, wounded by a stray fragment, was brought to the hospital. The hospital was in a former monastery; German soldiers stationed there could not miss such an event. As witnesses subsequently showed, “despite her injury, Kolodetskaya was raped by a group of German soldiers, which caused her death.” [Nuremberg Trials: Compilation. - M .: Legal literature, 1991. - V. 5. P. 95–96.]

      “In the town of Shatsk, Rudensky district [Minsk region], the Germans drove all the girls, stripped, raped and then kicked out naked to the square and forced to dance, refused to be shot. In the village of Rekt, all the girls were driven into the woods, raped and killed. In the village of Mormal, the Germans raped two collective farmer girls. The girls after that said that Hitler would still be hanged, both were shot. Violence often occurs in front of parents. In the village of Khimoye, Zhlobin district [near Gomel], two German soldiers entered the house of a collective farmer and their daughter was raped in front of their parents. ” [From a memo from the Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus (B) to the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) on the situation in the occupied regions of the republic. August 19, 1941 // Russian Archive: The Great Patriotic War. Partisan movement during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. Documents and materials. T. 20 (9). - M .: Terra, 1999. C. 52.]

      Entering the village of Lyady, German soldiers began to rob houses and shops; then the command of the unit demanded that the villagers “provide” eighteen girls to the nearest forest. When this was not done, they took them themselves, taken to the forest, brutally raped, and then shot. Some of the girls were 13-14 years old. [USSR State Security Agencies in the Great Patriotic War: Collection of documents. - M .: Russia, 2000.V. 2. Book. 1. P. 363.]

      In the village of Berezovka, Smolensk region, drunken German soldiers raped and took with them all women and girls aged 16 to 30 years. [Nuremberg Trials: Compilation. - M .: Legal literature, 1991. - V. 5. –C.95-96; Neither prescription, nor oblivion ...: According to the materials of the Nuremberg trials / Preface. L.N. Smirnova; after M.Yu. Raginsky. - M.: Legal literature, 1983. - S. 28]

      In the village of Hills near Mogilev, the Nazis seized six girls. Having raped them, they cut out their eyes and chests, and tied one of their legs to the tops of tilted trees and tore it apart. [Neither prescription nor oblivion ...: Based on materials from the Nuremberg trials / Preface. L.N. Smirnova; after M.Yu. Raginsky. - M .: Legal literature, 1983. - S. 37]
  43. deman73
    deman73 1 December 2012 21: 16
    0
    dear ones, I’ll say so without inventing anything, as my two grandfathers told me who went through the whole war and ended up in Germany all Germany, our soldiers raped it, it was taken by our soldiers according to the old good principle and not a tacit order, the city was taken by soldiers they took it and then they had a drink, they had a meal, they changed friends, they raped it, and so on and that’s a fact, so nobody build intellectuals now and don’t say that it wasn’t what it was like and that before the storm of Berlin there was a vowel order we take the city and it’s 3 days in the power of the winners, and rightly so, I think the fighters deserved their blood about the detachments which, like the tribunals, put things in order so they went to put things in order only after the troops calmed down, well and so on, they were afraid just because they could fall under the hot hand and who fell under court of tribunals so this is the bulk of the second echelon well, something like this
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 1 December 2012 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: deman73
      that's right i think the fighters deserve it with their blood
      Dreaming of violence with impunity? So your grandfathers simply did not get caught. Or maybe they "fought back" the whole war in the rear with a certificate or armor. I had one, my chest was full of orders, I sat in the presidiums, I just told you similar things to yours, I checked the counter - a criminal, the orders were stolen, fake labor. In 1944-45 there were no more blocking detachments, the commandant's office and troops to protect the rear were in order.
  44. retvizan
    retvizan 2 December 2012 00: 29
    +4
    there are always different people everywhere. and the 5 millionth Soviet army was no exception. and there were thugs who raped and not only and it’s not worth it to justify, there were decent ones, there were probably cases of mutual sympathy, especially since the male population in Germany was still something less by 5 million by that time.

    in general, judging such things by books and articles is fraught, the best source is the immediate memories of relatives and friends who have passed this. My grandfather told me that in the 44th, when the Soviet troops arrived in the village, the girls were hidden in the stoves (and these girls, by the way, were all Bulgarian). And this is not the territory of the enemy yet. My little grandfather was still, about 10 years old, said that these were Kalmyks, I don’t know if there were then units formed on a national basis or simply with a predominance of one. But the conversation is not about that now. The fact is different - rape was not an isolated one.

    Another story of a fellow villager who served in Hungary after the war. They had a co-worker mocking local women and then intimidating them. When the authorities found out about it, the bastard was taken away without any extra words and investigations and no one saw him after. Those. army leadership fought this, not indulged.
    But what is not like about European attacks is again double standards. They remember millions of raped Germans (which I don’t dispute) and modestly keep silent about millions of Slavs who lost their honor and life. Thugs were both there and there, and criminals and those and others. The time was terrible, but honor and praise to those who remained Man
  45. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 2 December 2012 11: 01
    -2
    Something tired with the trolls butting.
    Is it time to contact the gentlemen moderators?
    Why did you remove the article from the top? At the very bottom of the "history" hangs - and this with such a certain number of visits (over 15000 exceeded) ... What, the West is too dissatisfied? Are the hosts worried?
    I appeal to the online community if this is really an officer site. Require moderators to return the article to its place.
    (I ask the trolls not to worry. You are at work. I understand.)
    1. 22rus
      22rus 2 December 2012 11: 24
      0
      Quote: Oprichnik
      Something tired with the trolls butting.

      Gee gee! I scribbled a dozen and a half comments on the site, most of them are pure flood and tired of it .... laughing
      Why did you come?
      1. Oprichnik
        Oprichnik 2 December 2012 11: 33
        +1
        Do you know how to read? He asked - TROLLEY DO NOT WORRY. I turned to normal people.
  46. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 2 December 2012 11: 44
    +1
    By the way, gentlemen moderators. It is ugly to spray attention with such cheap methods. A picture in an article on World War I was duplicated from an article by Senyavskaya. That's really - not the topic. Return the old one back. Not solid ...
  47. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 2 December 2012 12: 05
    0
    Thank. The picture was returned. Promptly. Now I would put an article in its place - and you would not have a price.
  48. Ice
    Ice 2 December 2012 14: 12
    +2
    The article is very important! The war against Russia is now in full swing. Taking advantage of the fact that the USSR collapsed, fascism again entered the world stage. The enemy is trying to denigrate our story. And the frankly Russophobic myth about the allegedly immoral behavior of our soldiers - must be exposed! Many thanks to the author! Glory to the heroes!
  49. Alyoha
    Alyoha 2 December 2012 18: 36
    0
    And nowadays only Chechens and Americans are fighting against women and children
  50. 2sila
    2sila 2 December 2012 23: 35
    +2
    The first thing I heard upon arriving at the Brandt airfield (WGV) was a lecture by a political worker about the inadmissibility of succumbing to provocations and obeisances of "fallen" German women and in no case having sexual contact with them! And that supposedly after a voluntary sexual intercourse, they immediately break into the police to write a claim in order to receive decent compensation from the "occupation troops".