“MT-12 remains a valuable asset of the Russian army”: the use of the Soviet cannon by the Russian Armed Forces was appreciated in the Western press

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“MT-12 remains a valuable asset of the Russian army”: the use of the Soviet cannon by the Russian Armed Forces was appreciated in the Western press

From the first days of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine, the use of the 100-mm gun MT-12 "Rapier" was recorded. At first, it appeared in the footage filmed from the positions of the units of the people's republics, then it increasingly began to be found in service with the Russian troops themselves, which are currently actively using this artillery system.

Fire from the MT-12 solves a wide range of combat missions: the destruction of Ukrainian artillery batteries, defensive structures, the suppression of command posts, the destruction of ammunition depots, strikes against personnel and military equipment.



The Rapier was developed in the 1960s and entered mass production in 1970. However, she still remains formidable. weapons.

Despite its age, the MT-12 is a powerful and versatile weapon system. The unique combination of combat capabilities and technical characteristics makes the gun a valuable asset for the Russian army, allowing it to accurately and effectively hit a wide variety of targets and providing critical support to ground forces in various combat scenarios.

- rated this product in the Western edition of Army Recognition.

According to the author, the MT-12 is capable of both direct fire and indirect fire, with a rate of fire of up to 6 rounds per minute and a range of more than 7 km, which minimizes the risk of a retaliatory strike. Using the "Rapier" in conjunction with reconnaissance drones, artillery units significantly increase the efficiency of their work.

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  1. +10
    April 15 2023 08: 20
    The gun is good, but more modern, high-precision, art systems would be desirable. Each weapon has its own niche if used wisely.
    1. +23
      April 15 2023 08: 25
      ABOUT! They began to say that, they say, it is - "Western experts" speak positively about the old weapons ... How! It (the old weapon) is still-hoo! ("Western experts" say) ... Yes
      1. +28
        April 15 2023 08: 47
        In fact, this gun is outdated a long time ago and appeared in the CBO ONLY because there are no longer 122 mm shells for the more modern and numerous D-30s that shoot not at 7 km but at 15. Here are the urya-media and they talk about good 100 mm caliber guns.
        How it is possible to seriously destroy Ukrainian batteries firing at 30 km with a cannon firing at 7 km is known only to them, and of course, in theory, none of them will want to try.
        1. +5
          April 15 2023 09: 01
          . appeared in CBO ONLY because there are no longer 122 mm shells

          Or maybe because there are 100 mm shells. There are shells, there is a gun, there is a crew. Something is missing?
          1. -2
            April 15 2023 09: 08
            Quote: igorbrsv
            Something is missing?

            Logic and practical use.
          2. +20
            April 15 2023 11: 23
            Quote: igorbrsv
            Something is missing?
            Lacks the ability to work from closed positions, the power of the projectile and the firing range. Direct fire is too dangerous now. Old iron is not particularly a pity, but with this approach you can’t get enough artillerymen.
            1. +7
              April 16 2023 08: 32
              It is not clear then why they are preparing calculations for these guns, they are teaching. Why are these guns needed, they are anti-tank, they have already come up with much more effective and safe ones against tanks. They use it simply because there are a lot of shells? Well, this is of course in the spirit of our bosses tyrants. They themselves would be for this gun.
              1. +6
                April 16 2023 08: 57
                It's practically a sniper weapon. Every war brings surprises. And in this war, these guns, long outdated for their intended purpose, came in handy. Yes, and in Chechnya too. Even then they were praised. It hits where you put it. Anything that sticks out of the ground even a little bit.
                1. +5
                  April 16 2023 10: 45
                  It is understandable in Chechnya, they could not adequately answer there, but here they will. This is a cannon for the war during the Second World War, when tanks went on the attack with wedges, then yes it would be the best anti-tank weapon
          3. +8
            April 15 2023 22: 21
            There are shells, there is a gun, there is a crew. Something is missing?

            Suicide bombers who will become the calculation of this gun, due to the fact that instead of releasing 122 mm shells, artillery and 152 mm shells, our MO sawed loot with respected people.
            The fact that our factories that produced 122 mm shells were destroyed and not mothballed before enough cannons and self-propelled guns of 152 mm caliber were fired is a betrayal and sabotage, for which today they are paying with the lives of our men on the front lines.
          4. +2
            April 17 2023 22: 40
            MT12 anti-tank gun. D30 is a howitzer.
            These artillery systems have different purposes. Comparing warm to soft is not entirely appropriate.
        2. +11
          April 15 2023 09: 22
          Quote: ramzay21
          In fact, this gun is long outdated.

          Outdated? And why sculpt something new if the "Rapier" is a gun for direct fire. quite up to par. And the power of her projectile is quite enough. But for shooting from closed positions - let the author of the article not make my grandson laugh.
          I think the use of "Rapier" is not from a good life. Either 152 shells are not enough, or the losses of the D-30, Hyacinth and Msta are tangible.
          1. +1
            April 15 2023 10: 49
            people, why are they pulling the rope?
            1. +7
              April 15 2023 11: 00
              Quote from Egeni
              Why are they pulling on the rope?

              Shtoby the door opened (c) Little Red Riding Hood.
              1. 0
                April 16 2023 11: 37
                Yes, you are color-blind, my friend, my hat is black, but the credit ... with a plus.)
                By the way, repellents are deterrent substances that cause an avoidance reaction in various organisms. Most often this term is applied to arthropods that bite people and animals.
                It is not recommended to add to food.)
              2. ada
                +1
                April 17 2023 03: 25
                Quote: Repellent
                Quote from Egeni
                Why are they pulling on the rope?

                Shtoby the door opened (c) Little Red Riding Hood.

                PrelEstno!
                Repellent, are you on duty? This is good.
            2. +8
              April 15 2023 11: 07
              The recoil of the gun is not weak, it will bounce and hit.
              1. +1
                April 16 2023 11: 34
                Thank you, Sergey Alexandrovich, I will know.)
          2. +17
            April 15 2023 15: 28
            The use of the Rapier has already been discussed in the DPR. Even when firing along a "mounted" trajectory (which means that she does not shoot along the trajectory of a howitzer, but not direct fire), her shot is not seen by the counter-battery locator. A howitzer shot is immediately a club, not even as long-range as the D-30, but they don’t see the rapier one. True, the firing range is not as significant as that of a 120mm mortar, but again. Shooting from a mortar also immediately burns its place due to the trajectory of the mine.
            1. +1
              April 16 2023 09: 34
              As far as I remember, the 120th shoots somewhere at 3.6 km
              1. 0
                April 16 2023 22: 12
                12km. active mine Nona-M1 and 7 Sledges
          3. 0
            April 16 2023 08: 49
            Either 152 shells are not enough, or the losses of the D-30, Hyacinth and Msta are tangible.

            And what you said is correct. No one from the command, starting the NWO, probably expected that it would drag on so long. So you have to get out of deep conservation what else can drive and shoot and is not sent for scrap.
        3. +5
          April 15 2023 12: 32
          do you compare the MT-12 anti-tank gun with the D-30 howitzer? funny..
          1. +3
            April 16 2023 00: 22
            And what's so funny? One of the advantages of the D-30 is the ability to use it for direct fire as an anti-tank gun. So, shall we have fun from scratch or start comparing?
            1. -1
              April 17 2023 21: 50
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              One of the advantages of the D-30 is the ability to use it for direct fire as an anti-tank gun.

              D-30 direct fire on tanks? Only from complete desperation. When there is nothing else.
              The range of a direct shot is not enough, and outside it you need to have a good gunner.
          2. +9
            April 16 2023 07: 47
            do you compare the MT-12 anti-tank gun with the D-30 howitzer? funny..

            Why do we need an anti-tank gun at all? In the yard of 2023, there are a bunch of effective anti-tank systems, wearable and on a light chassis, there are cheap chemikaze drones, there are shock UAVs, and finally there are tanks. All of this has a much higher effectiveness against tanks than a fixed 100 mm gun, and now is not 1941, when tanks could be fired at direct fire.
            All this is due to the complete degradation of the management of the Moscow Region and the complete disregard for realities. In conditions where the enemy has effective reconnaissance and counter-battery means, a bunch of chemikaze drones may not allow Rapiers to fire a single shot, especially direct fire. And it is we who are still fighting with the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the NATO army, the artillery must have time to shoot back and leave positions in five minutes or be destroyed, and they teach these tricks of the Ukrainian, and they have achieved some results.
            An adequate replacement for artillery would not be the reopening of the ancient Rapiers, but the creation of an UAV control in the Moscow Region, the appointment of a competent leadership from among those who have already created effective UAV units in their battalions and the mass purchase of those Chinese drones by the Ministry of Defense that these people choose, and they should not be engaged in procurement the current employees of the Ministry of Defense and the most effective current volunteers appointed to the corresponding posts in the Ministry of Defense, they must also choose those who will turn these drones into loitering ammunition, the whole system has already been established there, only adequate financial resources of the Ministry of Defense are needed. In parallel, it is necessary to create separate platoons of knmikaze drones and train people. Such measures are much more effective than all this fuss with ancient Rapiers and will save the lives of thousands of our people.
        4. TIR
          +11
          April 15 2023 22: 42
          The rapier is mainly used as a sniper rifle - to destroy the opornik, mortar, machine gunner, light armored vehicles or other front line targets. Very accurate weapon
          1. -2
            April 16 2023 10: 43
            And based on the realities of modern warfare - a one-time
            1. +1
              April 16 2023 13: 44
              If it was a one-time thing, then Milonov should have been buried 15 times already, but he still fights SP in the Duma sometimes it happens
            2. TIR
              +3
              April 16 2023 17: 58
              It is easier to hide a rapier and it is not seen by detection radars
          2. +1
            April 16 2023 19: 39
            Quote: TIR
            Very accurate weapon

            The rapier has shitty mobility. That in the conditions of modern warfare is a sentence. If you install it on some platform, it’s all right, but in the trailed version, it doesn’t go anywhere at all.
        5. +6
          April 16 2023 05: 19
          And why is it taken that the D-30 is more modern than the MT-12? The guns were created at the same time. In the early 60s. These tools are different and are designed to solve different problems. MT-gun direct fire. D-30 primarily for firing from closed positions.
        6. +1
          April 16 2023 10: 36
          It became interesting to me who was the first to talk about the lack of 120MM shells .. I poked around on the Internet for a long time, oddly enough, the outskirts in news shows were the first to start talking about this .. Then an analyst from the USSR gave an article to the New York Times and a month later the Wagners yelled that they were given shells according to the army norm and they don’t have enough of them .. After a standard two weeks, Wagner calmed down and fell silent when he received what he needed (by the way, just at the very muddle) suddenly, as if on command (or maybe on ..) various bloggers burst out outside and their moans were picked up by part of the internal and all the references tuned in to PMCs.
          1. 0
            April 16 2023 16: 07
            Khodakovsky spoke about the lack of shells in his front line in direct speech.
        7. 0
          April 16 2023 17: 46
          No, this is the last nonsense that I read today and I stop reading comments

          What kind of fool do you have to be to compare the D-30 howitzer with the anti-tank Rapier?

          The D-30 works in an area, the Rapier is in fact a large sniper rifle for high-precision direct fire to take out not only tanks, but also all kinds of pillboxes

          The United States also gives the M777 an attack group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine old small guns for direct fire

          I’m tying up reading the comments, here the people didn’t even have a cuckoo, but it didn’t exist
          1. +2
            April 16 2023 19: 13
            About the comments - I agree! drinks That's why I come here less and less.
          2. 0
            April 16 2023 19: 42
            Quote from russianreactor
            The United States also gives the M777 an attack group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine old small guns for direct fire

            They do not feel sorry for the Ukrainians. But the soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces are not Ukrainians, and the Russian Ministry of Defense is not the United States. Or what are you implying?
  2. 0
    April 15 2023 08: 29
    As I understand it, it’s possible to tow it on foot, you’ll forgive me, I’m not an artillery gun, so I’m asking. But the power in the form of 100 mm is not enough now? Although they are building it now: from plywood and glass, that's enough)
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    2. +5
      April 15 2023 09: 09
      Quote from: Menshoff_D_V
      Although they are building it now: from plywood and glass, that's enough)

      What are they building, tanks or armored personnel carriers?
      1. +8
        April 15 2023 09: 44
        She, as planned, is anti-tank, so armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles - just right through
      2. +1
        April 16 2023 07: 09
        More than enough for beter, but dota, I doubt it. If the minds dug in there: then they will drag sand and black earth.
    3. +10
      April 15 2023 09: 27
      She weighs three tons with dashing, the calculation will fart to roll it on their own. Those guns that were carried like that weighed from 500 kg to a ton. And then in the latter case, they were given an infantry squad to help.
      1. +2
        April 15 2023 15: 35
        ZiS-weighed 1200kg and her crew rolled around the field, this crew has 7-6 people and they can roll if this is a field.
        1. +1
          April 16 2023 00: 51
          ZIS-3 is very light. Beila, educational. They not only rolled, they also ran. And two more calculations arranged a contest to see who was faster. So, for hardening young muscles. And if you have to carry the MT-12, then the tractor is nearby, in seconds it attaches and drive wherever you want on the battlefield wink
          1. 0
            April 16 2023 22: 15
            Here, in the absence of a tractor, we are talking. With us, when the gunners lost it next to the unit, we rolled it in a crowd of 8 people and arranged a photo session. My then all were amazed, signalmen with guns.
          2. +1
            April 17 2023 21: 55
            Quote: stankow
            if you have to carry the MT-12, then the tractor is nearby, it attaches in seconds

            According to the state, this is MTLB
            1. 0
              2 December 2023 18: 30
              The good thing is that if necessary, you can even mobilize a GAZ-63 from the nearest farm. And all the same - do not leave your beloved on the battlefield!
    4. -3
      April 15 2023 10: 51
      100 mm... not enough?

      and why not, if shells for this "rapier" were made for a dozen of such air defense systems
      1. +7
        April 15 2023 14: 45
        Can the forty-five be removed from storage? There are probably a lot of shells ... So what? Million theorists..
        1. +3
          April 15 2023 19: 01
          It can be removed, but if it is removed, then not 45-mm guns, but 76-mm ZIS-3. Medium calibers were abandoned due to the impossibility of observing gaps at medium and long distances. However, with the advent of drones, the problem has disappeared. It became possible to track gaps not only in 76-mm shells, but also in 57-mm shells. And even 30-mm automatic guns can fire on a hinged trajectory with adjustment.
        2. +3
          April 16 2023 10: 55
          Soon, at such a pace, the three-inch 1902 will be praised here. And what, to give the soldiers, it is more powerful than an underbarrel grenade launcher, and machine-gun crews can be knocked out with high-explosive shells.
          1. -1
            April 16 2023 11: 51
            Oh come on, Pavel, but a good idea about 45.)
          2. 0
            April 16 2023 15: 31
            Somehow there was already a note that in the realities of the NWO, the royal cast-iron mortars of 300+ caliber are the most laughing a bomb of half a ton weighing a demoralizing destructive force! belay once he gasped and waited out the answer to the shelter, but a piece of cast iron is not terrible like fragments, there is no need to evacuate anywhere! good
            1. +4
              April 16 2023 16: 53
              And use the tsar cannon. Yes, and historians benefit. And then they break spears - they shot, they didn’t shoot .... And then they will know for sure
          3. +2
            April 16 2023 19: 45
            Quote: Eskobar
            and machine-gun crews with high-explosive shells can be knocked out.

            Shrapnel.
    5. +6
      April 15 2023 11: 12
      The 125-mm self-propelled anti-tank gun 2A45M Sprut-B has long been ready. However, it did not appear in service. Savings, mother her by the leg!
      1. +8
        April 15 2023 12: 05
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        The 125-mm self-propelled anti-tank gun 2A45M Sprut-B has long been ready. However, it did not appear in service. Savings, mother her by the leg!

        Towed anti-tank gun weighing 6,5 tons. Shoot at the enemy in the zone of his visibility, without a chance to blow his legs in case of a miss - and thank God that it is not in service.
        The place of towed anti-tank guns has now been taken by ATGMs.
        1. +1
          April 15 2023 18: 42
          Sorry, but I understand the vulnerability of towed artillery in our time no less than you. But if "Rapiers" are used, then they are needed. Moreover, they do not have self-propelled and are unlikely to be more convenient and efficient than the Sprut-B. And again, these guns are not used as anti-tank guns, but are used solely because of the high flatness of the trajectory and the inability to detect them with radars.
          1. +1
            April 15 2023 23: 12
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            But if "Rapiers" are used, then they are needed.

            So there is nothing more.
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            the impossibility of detecting them with radar

            Given the range of destruction, they are perfectly spotted by drones.
            1. -4
              April 16 2023 00: 24
              And did the MT-12 detect many shots, spotter? Except in language.
    6. +1
      April 16 2023 08: 59
      This projectile and gun is for piercing something. So, if there is not 600 mm of armor, then everything else will be pierced.
    7. 0
      April 16 2023 10: 44
      In the box flashed (in February) the "heavily fortified ur" taken, so destroyed, was blocked by a hollow ceiling slab .. For such pillboxes (I understand that any even the most primitive pillbox, bunker is dangerous) weaving a very low silhouette, you can literally drag it point blank
  3. +5
    April 15 2023 08: 29
    RAPIRA is the largest caliber anti-sniper system. lolThe maximum range of a "direct" shot is 2500 meters.
    1. +4
      April 15 2023 09: 45
      By the way, the Antimaterial, universal lol
      1. -3
        April 15 2023 10: 42
        Western mercenaries love to be snipers. No body, no insurance. hi
    2. 0
      April 16 2023 10: 57
      Do you think the hohlosniper will wait until they bring this fool, find where he lay down, go in and shoot at him?
    3. +1
      2 December 2023 18: 36
      I'm sorry, they just say "direct range". Maximum range is something else hi
  4. +8
    April 15 2023 08: 31
    "Rapier" on direct fire - "sniper rifle" in artillery. Places projectiles in the "bull's eye" with the greatest damage to the enemy.
    1. +2
      April 15 2023 09: 52
      And then, from 40 km, Excalibur arrives ... It will not turn out well
      1. +2
        April 15 2023 10: 46
        Excalibur on the Rapier, wouldn’t it be a little expensive, the Rapier with 40 km has 40 seconds to fade the calculation with a cannon or without it. I look at the shells, the calculations don’t bother with this too much.
        1. +1
          April 16 2023 09: 02
          One veteran told the school. Anti-tanker. He says: they took three shells. The third shot already running away. Just where they put it. That is, even in that war, the Germans did not allow more than 2 aimed shots to be fired.
          Here the gun is low. He literally fired a line at some barn and ran away. Go figure out where it came from.
        2. 0
          April 17 2023 22: 00
          Quote: tralflot1832
          I look at the shells, the calculations don’t bother with this too much. They shot back with branches and threw them on a smoke break.

          Three shots and dugouts. You just can't change position.
      2. +2
        April 15 2023 17: 14
        Quote: novel xnumx
        And then, from 40 km, Excalibur arrives ... It will not turn out well

        And in response, Iskander flies there, and from there Tomahawk flies, and Caliber flies there in response, and from there ... and there ... and from there and there ...

        Modern artillery and missile systems have NO range limitations. According to your logic, you can write off any gun or howitzer in general, there is always something to fly from there or there :)
    2. +1
      April 16 2023 03: 30
      Agree completely. And how are the pluses put here? I can not understand.
  5. 0
    April 15 2023 08: 42
    It's a thing!!! A good infection, it would have modern ammunition.
  6. +5
    April 15 2023 08: 47
    Created in the middle of the last century, "Rapier" is still effective in combat today. How high was the Soviet design school. There is a story that when the MT-12 was shown to Khrushch, he was impressed and asked if it could be installed in a tank, while the bosses, under the visor: "That's right!" And then the popabol began! The length of the rollback does not allow this gun to be inserted into the T-55 turret. In the end, after mats, distribution of people, etc. designers, our decision was to cut the rifling from the gun, so the 115mm smoothbore U5TS with reduced recoil appeared, and the T-55 lengthened the hull, increased the turret, so the T-62 tank appeared. So that the "relatives" beat Banderva during the NWO.
    1. +5
      April 15 2023 18: 45
      MT-12 is smoothbore, it cannot be removed rifling.
    2. 0
      April 16 2023 19: 49
      Quote: Slon_on
      In the end, after mats, distribution of people, etc. designers, our decision was to cut the rifling from the gun, so the 115mm smoothbore U5TS with reduced recoil appeared, and the T-55 lengthened the hull, increased the turret, so the T-62 tank appeared.

      Legends and myths are unparalleled.
    3. +1
      April 17 2023 10: 17
      It was problematic to install such a gun in a tank due to the large length of a unitary shot of 1200 mm. The rifling was cut off from the 100 mm D-54 tank gun.
    4. 0
      April 17 2023 22: 09
      Quote: Slon_on
      There is a story that when the MT-12 was shown to Khrushch, he was impressed and asked if it could be installed in a tank, while the bosses, under the visor: "That's right!" And then the popabol began!

      This is not a tale. Khrushchev said: "Put her on the tank."
      Kartsev, in his memoirs, exclaimed how stupid Khrushchev was, because it was impossible to put a T-12 in a tank.
      Who is stupid and who is not is debatable.
      The leader set the task (correct and timely), and how to complete it, there is a designer with a technologist.
  7. +7
    April 15 2023 08: 48
    In firing from hidden positions, the advantage of howitzer artillery is indisputable, especially since all of them (starting with the D-30) are much longer-range and have more powerful ammunition.
    And when firing at direct fire, the Rapier itself is extremely vulnerable. for such events, a tank is better, at least even a T-54/55, with the same gun ..
    why rapiers?
    1. +8
      April 15 2023 09: 06
      Quote: Falx
      why rapiers?

      Patamushta is. The T-55 still needs to be revived after 50 years of storage, so that it can get somewhere, and the Rapier, with a hoe and a tractor, pulled it up and dig it in.
    2. +3
      April 15 2023 15: 38
      They fire with direct fire from the S-60, and you are talking about the Rapier. The main thing here is to wash off or sleep on time.
      1. +2
        April 16 2023 00: 58
        The main thing here is to dig in well, disguise yourself and a good dugout for calculation. Watch two more videos - no one is "loosing" anywhere.
        1. 0
          April 16 2023 22: 17
          Did you see the word "don't sleep" in my comment? And if you burned, then tear your claws.
  8. +2
    April 15 2023 08: 52
    As far as I remember, the SBR or the Ruta radar sight gets on it, are there really no warehouses or is it a pity?
  9. +16
    April 15 2023 09: 04
    Read the Americans (and our "military correspondents") - the older the "asset" is, the more valuable and more valuable it is, like aged wine.
    1. +6
      April 15 2023 16: 29
      Excellent observation. However, it can be argued that not all wines become valuable with age. Some do become vinegar. laughing
  10. -1
    April 15 2023 09: 06
    I’m wondering about everyone who is indignant at the supposedly outdated weapons of the Russian Armed Forces, but what is better or not on the front line on the defense lines or on the offensive?
    the fact that all the new items have not yet entered the series, here I agree for the disruptions there should have been landings too liberal attitude to the timing, this is where you need to tighten the screws until the growers' washers creak
    1. +7
      April 15 2023 09: 54
      Better to eat than not, but outdated weapons lead to losses
      1. -4
        April 15 2023 10: 05
        is there something modern in towed artillery ??? I don’t think that the same self-propelled guns are being replaced on the battlefield with this gun
        1. +4
          April 15 2023 10: 10
          is there something modern in towed artillery?

          777
        2. 0
          April 15 2023 15: 40
          So self-propelled ones are brought down once * two if there is intelligence. And 777 is also brought down, though new. And what is the strength then brother? 777 is 10 more expensive than Rapiers and more calculation
          1. +1
            April 17 2023 18: 30
            It hits further and there are adjustable shells
    2. +3
      April 15 2023 23: 19
      Quote: On Derebasovskaya
      and what is better or not on the front line on the defense lines or on the offensive?

      So it’s better to fight with a mosquito than with a stick.
  11. +5
    April 15 2023 09: 17
    404e, they wrote, they attached a modern day night sight to her ..... and she shoots well with it.
    1. +1
      April 16 2023 01: 01
      The good sight of the MT-12 is just perfect. You don't need to change it, and you don't have to.
      1. ada
        +1
        April 17 2023 05: 44
        I confirm. But, as always, there is day, twilight and night.
        Type OP-4



        In general, I always wanted to see on optical devices enlightened daytime optics with a wide field of view without distortion, variable small - large magnification, at least double discreteness, with the display of movable guidance scales and correction marks in the field of view. And, a combination with an optical, albeit low-base, one-, two-axis rangefinder would be very useful at ranges of a direct shot at characteristic targets to reduce the time to perform OZ. But this is expensive optics, or rather more costly in terms of resources, time and amount of work in the manufacture, adjustment, alignment. Difficulties in interfacing with other mechanisms.
        Relatively interesting is the removal of sighting devices at a distance from the gun or machine.
        Currently, the trend is towards electron-optical systems with thermal contrast of targets against the background of local objects, although the illumination of the area in traditional ways is still relevant, from fires to hanging "chandeliers".
        I think that devices that display the contrast of objects in the field of view on the new physical principles of terrain illumination and detect manifestations of the implicit properties of targets are on the way.
        1. 0
          2 December 2023 18: 45
          Agree. Only the rangefinder can help the gunner, not the gunner, because the CO determines and controls the sight.

          "removal of sighting devices" - unfortunately, resolution is immediately lost...
  12. 0
    April 15 2023 09: 19
    A question for connoisseurs, is it used instead of other tools or in addition?
    1. -1
      April 15 2023 15: 41
      In addition. On the front. With offensive support.
      1. 0
        April 16 2023 01: 04
        And on the defensive. Where a battery of such dug in, tanks do not climb. They just go around or even turn around.
    2. 0
      April 16 2023 20: 01
      They are used because even ATGMs of the Metis type are not enough, and they are several times more expensive than 100-mm shells. And the promised 57-mm ATGM for the Epoch combat module in a wearable version also did not appear en masse in the troops. And wearable ATGMs were never trained to shoot from closed positions, at least when guided from reconnaissance drones.
  13. 0
    April 15 2023 09: 28
    In modern conditions, such a firing range is already frankly small. In such conditions, both the gun and its crew are at high risk of death. Because counter-battery stations are now actively used. The enemy has much more long-range weapons and MLRS, allowing him to destroy weapons such as the MT-12 with impunity. In addition, this gun is towed, and cannot quickly leave the position, like self-propelled guns.
    1. +3
      April 15 2023 09: 39
      and an attack aircraft that goes forward under the cover of this gun and without it is less or more at risk? it seems like a land mine shoots up to 8 km, okay, it won’t hit, but it will force the enemy to bend their heads, and this is already something
    2. +11
      April 15 2023 10: 00
      Counter-battery firing stations detect a projectile, a mine at a height of at least 15-20 meters ... And the rapier shoots FAST in most cases, and it is almost impossible to detect it with such a station. In contrast to the howitzer firing the CANOPY (D-30). True, it is easier to detect it with a drone, close to the front line.
      1. +1
        April 15 2023 11: 18
        The D-30 can also shoot direct fire, but the range of a direct shot is slightly lower.
    3. -1
      April 16 2023 01: 05
      The difference in folding time between the self-propelled guns and the towed artillery is insignificant. And if you also need to pick up ammunition, but how not to waste good, then the towed one has more crew, and has its own truck, it’s a tractor ...
  14. +1
    April 15 2023 09: 37
    Come on! An excellent cannon, shells like dirt, it is better to hit ten shells with a rapier than one large-caliber shell that is saved and accumulated for the offensive. On the offensive, it is necessary to organize a fire shaft in front of the advancing infantry, in order to reduce losses and move quickly!
    1. 0
      April 15 2023 11: 13
      Here are the right thoughts! We are at war with an enemy who has a "deaf" and "eyeless" army, something like a crowd armed with pitchforks and scythes. We will demolish it with a "barrage of fire" from various types of weapons! You can also organize the casting of smooth-bore guns like those that were in the 17-18-19 centuries - to strengthen the "barrage of fire" - why ?, cheap and cheerful, you don’t need complex ammunition, and it’s not a pity to quit, if anything.
  15. 0
    April 15 2023 10: 53
    Multi-million stocks of 100 mm caliber shells from the times of the USSR that the MT-12 and the cannon of the T-54 and T-55 tanks “eat” are the whole clue to its use ....
    1. +8
      April 15 2023 11: 17
      MT-12 eats its shells. The t-54-55 has unification with the BS-3, but it is not yet at the front. By the way, the first T-55s have already been spotted.
      1. 0
        April 15 2023 12: 02
        In the photo, in my opinion, the T-62, with its characteristic distance between the first and second rollers.
        1. +4
          April 15 2023 12: 38
          Sergei Alesandrovich, the photograph is definitely T-55.
          1. 0
            April 15 2023 18: 49
            I'm sorry, I didn't pay attention to the lack of an ejector in the middle of the barrel!
            1. +2
              April 15 2023 21: 22
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              In the photo, in my opinion, the T-62, with its characteristic distance between the first and second rollers.
              The T-62 has three rollers in front, and only then, at some distance, the 4th, and again, the 5th is not at all nearby.
              1. +4
                April 15 2023 21: 49
                Yes, not otherwise, super knowledge, but I only had to see the T-55 in storage, moreover, in Shali, near Grozny, in a tank regiment in 1990. And tankers already fought on the T-62 back in the mid-80s.
                It doesn't matter, it's better to have tanks than not to have them. Let there be at least such, than they will not be at all.
                Not a tanker at all. And on the BMP-2 in the mid-80s there weren’t even smoke grenades, and the gun jammed every other time.
                But since then I have been arguing to death with those who cannot determine the distance by eye, gives out 50 meters for 100 when determining the width of the street.
        2. +2
          April 15 2023 16: 38
          This is 55. Received on the southern front.


          Also for heavy units on the T-55, to help and 2M-3 on a compatible ATS-59G chassis.
          1. +1
            April 15 2023 18: 05
            Also for heavy units on the T-55, to help and 2M-3 on a compatible ATS-59G chassis.


            Hmm, it’s hard to imagine what’s going on and how 2M-3 and ATS-59G met in general ... request And where will the hydraulic drive come from or is it all manually twisted ...
          2. +3
            April 15 2023 20: 37
            Quote: donavi49
            This is 55. Received on the southern front.

            This is T-54. Read, the connection of NLD and VLD is different for the T-54 and T-55 - the T-54 has a “thorn”, the T-55 has a straight seam. This is very noticeable and catches the eye in the photo.
            1. 0
              April 16 2023 01: 32
              Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
              This is T-54. Read, the connection of NLD and VLD is different for the T-54 and T-55 - the T-54 has a “thorn”, the T-55 has a straight seam. This is very noticeable and catches the eye in the photo.
              What does this "thorn" look like? In the photo of the T-54 and T-55 - indicate the difference between the VLD and NLD connection.
              1. -2
                April 16 2023 09: 13
                Quote: Bad_gr
                What does this "thorn" look like? In the photo of the T-54 and T-55 - indicate the difference between the VLD and NLD connection.

                1. +1
                  April 16 2023 11: 20
                  It's clear. I looked at a bunch of pictures of the T-54 - there is a connection into a spike. I also come across armor plate connection schemes where the VLD overlaps the NLD and vice versa. In general, the development of the tank went, including with significant changes in the design of the hull. What you are right about is that by the time the T-55 was released, the hull design was already well established, and there are no such differences among the T-55 (I did not find it).
                  1. 0
                    April 17 2023 22: 34
                    I saw in Totsk in 1978 a T-54 used as a duty tractor, marked with the year of manufacture 1946.
                    One of the very first. He has a place in the museum, but, I'm afraid, he went to be melted down ...
      2. 0
        April 17 2023 22: 22
        Quote: donavi49
        The t-54-55 has unification with the BS-3, but it is not yet at the front.

        More precisely, BS-3 is no longer at the front. In 2014 there were, but, apparently, they all ended.
    2. +7
      April 15 2023 11: 18
      Gory, you are mistaken, 100mm MT12 shells and shells for the T-55 are different. Since the T55 has a rifled gun and the MT12 has a smoothbore, and both the projectile and the charge have differences, only the caliber is the same.
      1. -2
        April 15 2023 21: 47
        I meant that we can’t shoot shells of 100 mm caliber ..
      2. +2
        April 16 2023 01: 16
        And the sleeve of the MT-12 is generally twice as long as that of the T-55 wink Not easy to confuse
  16. -1
    April 15 2023 11: 17
    Personal respect to the author for clumsy Russian and ignorance of cases.
    Re-read the textbook at your leisure, otherwise the text of the article is difficult to read.
  17. -12
    April 15 2023 12: 20
    How many heroic couch "ekperds" (well, Western lackeys, of course - where without them, work out the master's denyuzhka) began "blowing stinky bubbles). Specialists, why aren't you at the forefront? Without you, in the RF Ministry of Defense, of course, no one understands what's what and how to do it.
    1. +3
      April 15 2023 15: 19
      Absolutely correct. Everyone up there knows better. The genius of multi-movements started it, it's up to the small - someone needs to win now ..... Yes What nonsense, right? hi
  18. +3
    April 15 2023 16: 23
    This is a great artillery piece. Representative of a now extinct category. But, do not be offended, I prefer it to be installed on top of the MT-LB, as the Ukrainians do. I forgot, best wishes to all of you for Holy Easter. hi
  19. +2
    April 15 2023 22: 05
    Well, remember in 41 they got guns from the times of the Crimean War, it’s certainly not from a good life and the T55 was sent not because there were no tanks, under the T55 there were a lot of shells left in the warehouse, and leaving the army without artillery support is stupid, and the Ukrainians are in the same situation
    1. -1
      April 15 2023 23: 24
      Quote: Rinat_2
      and T55 was sent not because there are no tanks

      But because there are no shots to them? Does it actually change anything?
  20. 0
    April 15 2023 23: 35
    The rapier is good for direct fire on armored vehicles, machine gun nests, ATGM crews and loopholes.
    A gun for the front line, like a forty-five during the Second World War ....
    1. +1
      April 16 2023 00: 40
      Quote: assault
      A gun for the front line, like a forty-five during the Second World War ....

      During the Second World War, there were no drones on the front line.
      1. -4
        April 16 2023 01: 19
        There was aerial reconnaissance. What was cooler than drones ... In all respects.
        1. +2
          April 16 2023 11: 46
          Quote: stankow
          There was aerial reconnaissance. What was cooler than drones ... In all respects.

          Is it when the film was developed and sent to the headquarters, or when the pilot, who avoided anti-aircraft guns, tells at the airfield that he saw about something there?
          1. 0
            2 December 2023 19: 02
            The film is not sent to the department, but to the photogrammetry department. Cards with assigned goals come to the table. And the resolution of the film is two orders of magnitude higher than a cheap drone camera. Both in angle and color. Manifestation takes minutes, and calculation takes all night. As in our time, I downloaded photos from a drone in 5 minutes, and then worked for hours. If we are working seriously, but not - I saw an infantryman on camera and fired 5 grenades with an AGS. That's how wars don't win.
  21. 0
    April 16 2023 01: 38
    Quote: Ohsetin
    Quote: assault
    A gun for the front line, like a forty-five during the Second World War ....

    During the Second World War, there were no drones on the front line.

    But attack aircraft and dive bombers were in abundance ...
    Over 2 IL-4s alone were produced in 30 years.
    Such a pace is not even possible for our manufacturers of medium and heavy class UAVs.
    1. -1
      April 16 2023 11: 43
      Quote: assault
      But attack aircraft and dive bombers were in abundance ...

      And the anti-aircraft guns that counteracted them. Plus, the air raid can be heard from afar and you can hide in the dugout, and the VOG from the drone falls when the entire crew is at the gun. And it is also possible that he will get into the BC at the same time.
  22. +1
    April 16 2023 09: 29
    The main feature is that locators do not see her shells because of the flat trajectory.
    1. 0
      April 16 2023 09: 50
      The locators do not see, but the smoke is visible after the shot. It is a pity that they do not use smokeless powder in such ammunition. This season, a lot of drones fly everyone sees.
    2. 0
      April 17 2023 15: 46
      Only when firing direct fire. When firing from closed firing positions at maximum range, everything is perfectly visible.
  23. Eug
    0
    April 16 2023 09: 55
    And now what, they don’t dig a cannon in a ditch? In addition to some protection, it also reduces bouncing when fired.
  24. 0
    April 16 2023 11: 53
    At a distance of 6-8 km. Nona shoots well. And she is 120mm.
    1. +1
      April 16 2023 20: 09
      Nona's advantages are only in the greater survivability of the barrel, compatibility with 120-mm mines and the relative cheapness of ammunition. In terms of firing range and direct shot, the D-30 and self-propelled guns "Gvozdika" based on it are much superior.
  25. 0
    April 16 2023 11: 55
    Quote: assault
    Quote: Ohsetin
    Quote: assault
    A gun for the front line, like a forty-five during the Second World War ....

    During the Second World War, there were no drones on the front line.

    But attack aircraft and dive bombers were in abundance ...
    Over 2 IL-4s alone were produced in 30 years ...

    The downside of a large release is high losses in an unbalanced fleet of aircraft and average aircraft performance.
  26. -1
    April 16 2023 12: 03
    One thing is not clear. Having sharply condemned the accursed totalitarian Soviet past, absolutely correctly calling all the pitiful attempts of the Soviet industry "galoshes", we must be consistent and completely abandon everything that was done by the hated USSR. Down with galoshes in the form of tanks, artillery, aviation, ammunition of all types, ships!
    After all, hundreds and thousands of the latest democratic T-14 tanks, self-propelled guns "Coalition", Boomerang armored personnel carriers, and SU-57 aircraft are already in service. They are the best in the world and have no analogues! And super-missiles are generally capable of demolishing all the armies of the world in one go!
    Unlike the old totalitarian weakest army of the USSR, the new modern army of the Russian Federation, the most-great and powerful, with perfectly trained soldiers, with experienced and competent officers and generals, motivated to perform feats in the name of capitalism and the oligarchs, is already finishing off the enemy and is about to win final victory!
    So away with all these T-62, T-72, T-80 and T-90 overshoes! away with all these MT-12s, Acacias and Carnations!
    We must win with Russian models! So we will win ... maybe ...
  27. +1
    April 16 2023 21: 43
    Sniper rifle caliber 100mm. Penetrates body armor, armor, as well as a wooden, brick, concrete wall at a distance of 2 km. Hitting any part of the body is usually fatal. What's bad?
    1. +1
      April 17 2023 02: 25
      Yes, nothing is bad. Just some whiners gathered here :) ...
  28. 0
    April 17 2023 02: 24
    It seems that on this forum only tsipsoshniks graze, and eternally offended, eternally singing in unison with them - home-grown "fighters against the bloody Putin regime." For any reason, sheer whining :) ...
  29. +1
    April 17 2023 09: 57
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    or the losses of D-30, "Hyacinth" and "Msta" are tangible

    Not so much loss as barrel wear. For a long time, both sides have been using 152 mm D-1 howitzers of the 1943 model. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine also have 130 mm M-46 guns and 100 mm KS-19 anti-aircraft guns, which remained in the Russian Federation only in the form of museum exhibits. Yes, and NATO threw 105 and 155 mm howitzers of the 1960s and even the times of the 2nd World War.
  30. +2
    April 17 2023 10: 01
    Quote: Alexey Graff
    Too bad they don't use smokeless powder.

    And which one is used, is it really black powder, as in the XV-XIX centuries))
  31. 0
    April 17 2023 15: 45
    and a range of more than 7 km, which minimizes the risk of retaliation.

    Thanks, laughed lol
  32. 0
    April 20 2023 00: 11
    Quote: rotmistr60
    "Rapier" on direct fire - "sniper rifle" in artillery. Places projectiles in the "bull's eye" with the greatest damage to the enemy.

    He served as an urgent service in an anti-tank regiment, was a gun commander. I confirm everything that was said above about its accuracy. There was a case at a field exit. All prepared targets were broken, and the commander still could not determine which gun calculation turned out to be the best, because the results were the same. Then he ordered to destroy the landmark, in the form of a high pillar with a crossbar, dug in in the area where the targets were, not really counting on success. Our calculation turned out to be faster, they aimed and fired, and the neighboring one was late for a split second. fall, and almost at the same time, a shell from the second gun hit him 40-50 cm higher than ours, and a pillar collapsed to the ground, broken in two places. The commander just shrugged, saying that the best were not identified, but it was clear from him that he was very pleased .According to the results of those exercises, our division was recognized as the best among all artillery divisions of 65 AK.