Mikhalkov: Why don't foreigners who have received Russian citizenship do military service in the Russian Armed Forces, as in Israel

The Russian film director, TV presenter Nikita Mikhalkov, in the next issue of Besogon TV, spoke about a very important problem that exists in our country.

We are talking, so to speak, about the migration dilemma, when people with Russian roots who want to return to their homeland have to go through “seven circles of hell” in order to obtain Russian citizenship. At the same time, it should be noted that many of them fail to achieve their cherished goal.

At the same time, immigrants from Central Asia and some other countries can easily pass the exam for knowledge of the Russian language and stories (with complete ignorance of them), and then also get a job.

As Mikhalkov put it, it is clear that these people are ready to work where many of our compatriots refuse to work. In general, the position of employers is also understandable, who often look for a person who is ready to perform difficult work, and not who knows Russian history thoroughly.

Meanwhile, in this case, the position of the state is not clear. After all, in addition to the rights enjoyed by the aforementioned migrants who have received Russian citizenship, they must also have responsibilities. But the latter, as a rule, are ignored by them with impunity.

In turn, the presenter recalled that despite the law on repatriation of 2006, it is extremely difficult for Russian people to return to their homeland. Moreover, from 2014 to 2022, even residents of the LDNR who moved to Russia were often infringed on their rights.

Returning to the topic of immigrants from Central Asia, Mikhalkov recalled the survey, according to which, 40% of "new Russian citizens" are ready to defend their rights and religious values ​​with weapons in hand. Consequently, these people, ignoring their duties, are ready at any moment to arrange an armed rebellion, defending their rights.

And why shouldn't foreigners who have received Russian citizenship do military service in the RF Armed Forces, as in Israel?

- said the leader.

According to Mikhalkov, in the army, new Russian citizens would definitely be taught the language, customs, and, in general, respect for their country and the people living in it.

It was after this, according to the Russian director, that they could be hired.

Comments

[WILL]

By the way, yes, why did those who received Russian citizenship not fall under partial mobilization? Even if there is no VUS, they can be orderlies, drivers, cooks, etc.

[ZeeD]

Probably because to give weapons to a person whose loyalty the authorities are not sure ... Such a decision)

[sgrabik]

And why do we need such fellow citizens, whose loyalty no one is sure of, why give such dubious characters Russian citizenship, why did they surrender to us ???

[ZeeD]

And these are not questions for me.
It's probably good for someone...

As for me, specialists can be accepted and citizenship given, but not wild goatherds who can’t do anything.

[Ilya-spb]

I am personally for the introduction of a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia.

And for the strictest control of migrants.

I personally do not need migrants from Central Asia.

[boni592807]

ZeeD (novel). April 11, 2023 23:29 - "... As for me, specialists can be accepted and citizenship issued, ..."

1. Chubais offered something similar back in the 90s. Only immediately and massively with the construction of IM cities - satellites. Specialists were offered from the Far East. Suffered .... but ... already with other "specialists" ....
2. "...grant citizenship" - and you register a specialist in YOUR property - plumbing. electrician. janitor and others! ? Be consistent. Or you have completed the work closer and to your home!
3. Already "specialists" helped - Serbia (Kosovo). Libya (when the time "came") the guests in Libya "became" the weary people of Libya . Look at the standard of living under Gaddafi in Libya. Yes, and in the Russian Federation, "grateful compatriots" delight in the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation.
4. It seems that the RF "sworn" partners decided to DESTROY and options with guests also have THEM as an OPTION. How can they help!? Remember the GTA gang and the Belgorod "machine gunners" who laid down volunteers. Few. love humor - Then. if served. lived or know those. who lived and served. Ask why the construction battalion did not have weapons. Remember, in every joke there is a SHARE of the joke.

[boni592807]

Russia NEED not fake so-called. "compatriots". A REPATRIANTS
See HISTORY.
Return of INDIGENOUS PEOPLES OF RUSSIA which You do NOT need to adapt. learn the language. they have to come HOME.
A "guest" is always a "guest". СToday it is beneficial for him to be your guest. and tomorrow it will be more profitable to help you get kicked out of your house.
One of the fraud schemes in the Russian Federation is "custom neighbors" on parts or shares in an apartment. Surviving HOSTS.
And their share is 5 meters in the corridor and that. who hired THEM scammers.

[nickname7]

why do we need such fellow citizens in whose loyalty no one is sure

You don’t go to the construction site, but who will carry the bricks?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: nickname7

You don’t go to the construction site, but who will carry the bricks?

"You", who is this?

[Andrey Stavropolsky]

Why then give citizenship to those in whom the authorities are not sure?

[AdAstra]

And to give citizenship is the most, yeah.

[Andrey Moskvin]

can be orderlies, drivers, cooks, etc.
In Ukraine, such prisoners are surrendered for some reason.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Have you already forgotten how two such weapons were given and they came off in full at the training ground? There, every second person can be a potential terrorist, every first person without knowledge of the language, and every third person without education at all. Even under the Union, they only took such people to the construction battalion, and then the first year he does not know the language, and the second he no longer understands.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

Have you already forgotten how two such weapons were given and they came off in full at the training ground?

Put Khusnulin as a divisional commander and ask for all the jambs.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

There, every second person can be a potential terrorist, every first person without knowledge of the language, and every third person without education at all.

And why do we need such fellow citizens in the country? what would they arrange a showdown with our local boys, and then their diasporas excused? they are smart enough for that.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

There, every second person can be a potential terrorist, every first person without knowledge of the language, and every third person without education at all.

And why do we need such fellow citizens in the country? what would they arrange a showdown with our local boys, and then their diasporas excused? they are smart enough for that.

They buy rights, as well as everything else, and then come off on the roads, arranging shootings and accidents! To do this, they have a language, but they take it by the skin, so they immediately forget everything, but they remember arithmetic for calculating on the spot or calling their "roofs"!
So maybe people from Central Asia first go to the front line, let them show themselves there, or just serve in the army, and then continue the procedure for obtaining citizenship?

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

It's true. This is right. Whom he drags for the loot, let him go to war with those.

[PavelT]

Exactly!
Another "GTA gang" - then they hushed up that the leader of the gang, a Tajik, was from ISIS, attributed to them "selfish motives".

And now they hushed up that incident at the training ground: they don’t write who exactly fired, from where, why? Maybe they are also from ISIS or some?
or Hizb ut-Tahrir, which on February 26, 2014, brought thousands of Crimean Tatars to the main square of Simferopol in Crimea, and then we were told on TV that they were some kind of Bandera ...

Until now, Hizb ut-Tahrir militants have been found there in Crimea, arrested, tried: https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/16872499

https://rtvi.com/news/krymskogo-imama-prigovorili-k-17-godam-kolonii-strogogo-rezhima-po-delu-hizb-ut-tahrir/

[paul3390]

Yes, it's an interesting question. Pay attention - they raked in those who, it would seem, have already paid all their debts to the Motherland .. Having served urgent. And those who did not serve are not called now. It's strange somehow everything .. And not very fair.

Here are the new citizens. Having received all the benefits of citizenship, without paying a penny in their lives to the relevant social funds, they are not yet called up. For in our army - did not serve. Gorgeous!

Or citizens by birth - but not serving .. And let's do it like in ancient Rome - civil positions only after serving in the legions? If you didn’t rattle off your own - you can’t be elected, but it would be nice - you can’t even elect .. As well as being appointed to sovereign posts above a clerk .. Maybe - then the question of recruiting into the army will somehow go easier? Kaaaaak, the sons of deputies and bureaucrats will rush there.

Yes, you can think of a lot of things - there would be a desire .. Which one is clearly absent ..

[AC130 Gunship]

Sons of deputies - do not break. They've had it all for a long time. Their dads, voting on changes to the Basic Law, themselves 90 percent did not serve in the army.

[flyer]

Try to get a civil service, even after serving in the army. Especially in the regions. Written test followed by interview. If no one called for you, then at best they will be included in the reserve. There are units that are in the civil service without blat, but only a few.

[AdAstra]

Tell the truth comrade, it's so without a hairy hand now nowhere.

[Sergej1972]

On the contrary, I am surprised that now in the district, city, sometimes even in the regional administrations, a bunch of young people work in lower positions, less often middle-aged people who got a job there without any cronyism, or at least without special cronyism.) Special administrative talents Of course, many of them do not have. But this is my subjective opinion, I may be wrong. But they complain about low wages, that they are used as "workhorses", while the prospects for career advancement are weak. Here, of course, a lot depends on which department or department a person went to work. The only thing is that for the most part, these ordinary low-level civil servants do not turn up their noses, and still communicate with old comrades.) Someone rides bicycles in their free time, someone relaxes in absolutely non-elite cafes, etc.

[Quote Lavrov]

By the way, yes, our master, who waters our army with slop in his works, has two sons. And he doesn’t want to send them to the NWO, and only then take on other people’s children?

[Shelest2000]

Yes, they called these barmaley, they called. Remember how October 15, 2022 ended at the military training ground in the village of Soloti (Valuysky district of the Belgorod region of the Russian Federation)? Let me remind you.
In the classroom with volunteers, the terrorists fired at the personnel of the unit. As a result of the terrorist attack at the training ground in the Belgorod region, 11 people died, 15 were injured
Incl. to give weapons to these barmaley - you have to be an idiot.
https://www.caviral.com/rasstrel-na-poligone-v-soloti-k-chemu-privela-nasilnaya-mobilizacziya-tadzhikov/
Is that behind to put a detachment with machine guns.

[paul3390]

And why, then, give citizenship to such specimens ?? If they are not even entrusted with weapons?

[Rinat Khametov]

It can be specified that citizenship cannot be given until a foreign person has served in the army.
Roughly speaking, give time

[Fangaro]

It is possible to become a citizen of Russia without knowing the language, but with the support of the diaspora. Is it necessary to serve the new citizens of Russia who do not know the Russian language? This is the same difficult issue as the service in the RF Armed Forces of those who have unique knowledge, skills, or have unique relatives.
Diaspora, parents, knowledge and skills...
This helps those who are not over 27 either benefit Russia or avoid service in the RF Armed Forces.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

The idea is good, but over the years we have given such a ... citizenship that it’s scary to give them a machine gun - they will shoot them. Yes, and they do not know Russian from the word finally. Only fingers can bend and 10 bravely attack one.

[Hanurik]

What do you mean they don't work? I received citizenship at about 7-8 years old, I don’t remember already, and served 1.5 years. Where to file a complaint for compensation for 1.5 years of service, if I can’t serve as a chock.

[Million]

Meanwhile, in this case, the position of the state is not clear.

This is the root of the problem, which could not be at all.

[Maks1995]

There is only one answer. Corruption under the roof.
Migrants are needed for profits, like cheap labor. Give them more weapons?

Mafiosi will shove weapons you know where, the wealthy will rush to their homeland, only the meek and aggressively oriented will be rowed. (Moreover, the frenzy after the 24th faded somehow).
The sad incident is just given in the article

[igorra]

We are too soft on gasts from Central Asia. This is potentially several million militants in the country, and in every locality. This tolerance for other national republics since the time of the Union in modern conditions will not lead to good. It's time to return to the traditions of the Russian Empire. If you want citizenship and achieve something, if you please, accept Orthodoxy and a RUSSIAN name. Our country, by and large, was created by RUSSIANS and Orthodoxy. No offense to other nationalities. It is a fact. As for Mikhalkov’s idea, I would add the total mobilization and sending to the NWO zone of all men, aged 18 to 55, of non-indigenous nationalities who have received our citizenship since 1991. Over time, introduce a law on obtaining citizenship and all rights for men, only after military service, regardless of whether they are a native or a migrant. Stop playing dice. Ban the concept of diaspora. We are all citizens of the same country, otherwise no one is protecting us, and the diaspora stands up for migrants in droves. As a result, the migrant dumped home and no one is to blame, and even the locals will be pressed, but they will attribute ethnic hatred. Or introduce criminal liability, what a person has done and fled, the leadership of the diaspora goes to jail and gets a term for that guy. Bastrykin and Mikhalkov do not need to understand the depth of the abyss with migrants, it is enough to go alone to the Asian market or wholesale depot, I assure you, you will get the whole gamut of indescribable feelings. The mentality is different, in their homeland they can even cut their throats for misconduct, but we have tolerance and we are all so law-abiding, but the diaspora will cover it, therefore many migrants are blown away.

[Soatt2022]

Who is Orthodox? Are you . When was the last time you walked past a church

[AlexKruglov1976]

40% of "new Russian citizens" are ready to defend their rights and religious values ​​with weapons in their hands. Consequently, these people, ignoring their duties, are ready at any moment to arrange an armed rebellion, defending their rights.

Therefore, it is urgent to return to Russia the institution of deprivation of Russian citizenship and the death penalty for high treason - otherwise Russia, with such disloyal citizens, will cease to exist on planet Earth as a state.

[ivan2022]

Utopia ...... In order to live like this, Russians themselves must first become Jews.

Otherwise, to say that it will be "like in Israel" is simply ridiculous. "As in Israel" can only be among the Jews.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: ZeeD

Probably because to give weapons to a person whose loyalty the authorities are not sure.

It would be someone to give.
Concierge, sent two sons (received citizenship of the Russian Federation) to Tajikistan, to the grandmother.

Neighbor on the porch, the Georgians also sent two newly-made citizens of the Russian Federation, 18 and 19 years old, to their historical homeland, Georgia.

All who received citizenship and reached military age from our block (4 houses) were screwed out of Russia.

Only we, Russians by blood, remained.

[Soatt2022]

What are the Russians, it was the Russians with roots who ran the most

[storm]

Mikhalkov recalled the survey, according to which, 40% of "new Russian citizens" are ready to stand up for their rights and religious values ​​with weapons in their hands.

So what exactly is the problem?
There are military registration and enlistment offices, there is the National Guard.
They announced the mobilization of "new citizens from 18 to 45 years old and in training centers.
Deviators and refuseniks are either deprived of their citizenship and deported with their families to their historical homeland, for life, without the right to enter Russia, or to Wagner for re-education for a year as deviators.
As an alternative, three years of service in construction battalions, engaged in the construction of fortified areas and the restoration of the destroyed cities and villages of Donbass, can be offered.

Only our authorities will never agree to this, because the "gut is thin", Asians can rebel ....
No wonder the magazine "Bild" wrote that in Moscow they can only threaten and draw "red lines", but the more these lines are crossed, the quieter and less often threats are heard ....

[Neige Lobof]

The actions of the authorities in the Russian Federation simply defy understanding with regard to the return of Russian people to their homeland. To host a hostile element that dealt with the Russians in the 90s in their republics and now they are shaking the rights in the Russian Federation itself, but not letting the Russians in and training in every possible way, how is that? Recently I was in Poland, the country has really become head and shoulders above both Germany and Italy in terms of infrastructure. And this despite the fact that the Poles accepted ALL willing repatriates with Polish roots on the Pole's card. But in the Russian Federation, the opposite is true, these are nominally enemies, and potential haters are their own. What kind of diasporas, "multinational people" and so on? There are Russians and indigenous peoples of Russia like Tatars, Mordovians, Karelians, Circassians and many others. Their descendants should be able to return to the homeland of their ancestors.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Russians, Buryats, Tatars and other indigenous people - in the trenches, that means. And from there, either "after the end of the SVO", or to the next world. But in their place, the Central Asians. So who are we protecting?

[storm]

Why don't natives work in bad conditions?

Aboriginal people demand high wages for working in bad conditions, which was natural and always the case under the USSR, when those working in harmful and dangerous industries earned 1,5-2 times more than those working in normal production conditions.

Visiting "Papuans" are beneficial to unscrupulous employers, because for an average salary they agree to work in the most "shitty" conditions, since in their homeland a "Papuan" will live luxuriously for three to four months for this salary ....

All over the world, the Trade Unions protect against such "strikebreakers" by limiting the number of guest workers at the enterprise.
In Russia, in fact, there are no trade unions that protect the rights of workers, only useless bureaucratic parasitic structures remain.
In fact, it is necessary to revive local trade unions and, with their help, limit the number of migrants.
Let them live and work where the indigenous people of Russia do not really want to live and work.
First of all, the reception of migrants in the capital region and million-plus cities should be banned.
Strictly limit the flow of migrants to regional centers and cities with a population of 100 or more.
Attracting gasters should be allowed in sparsely populated areas with a natural shortage of labor, the Arctic, Siberia, the Far East ...
In Moscow or St. Petersburg, unscrupulous entrepreneurs and corrupt officials "tied" to them need gasters, some do not want to pay decent wages to local workers, while the latter cover them for bribes by giving out endless limits on gasters.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: assault

In Moscow or St. Petersburg, gasters are needed by unscrupulous entrepreneurs

A serious problem is that guest workers do not have their own official and strong trade unions - trade unions could, at least, oust the informal diaspora and crime from this environment; smooth out the wage gap.

[flyer]

The trade union and the diaspora have a different scope of tasks. The trade union is a narrowly focused community that sets the main goal - protecting the interests of the worker. Diaspora solves a wider range of problems. Representatives of diasporas only take advantage of the venality and corruption of government officials.

[ycuce234-san]

20% of efforts solve 80% of problems - the same will be with the dilemma of the diaspora and the trade union. If we solve the main problem of reducing the difference between white real wages of a migrant and a local (and only a trade union can legally do this), then many secondary ones will cease to exist.

[flyer]

The authorities have not created an ideological base for them to fight for. Any honest statistical survey will show that the percentage of citizens loyal to the authorities among the indigenous population will be significantly lower than Rosstat "draws". Yes, what can we talk about, even if the "devoted" electorate of the ruling party in the Russian Federation goes to rallies and concerts voluntarily-compulsorily.

When the Soviet Army was fulfilling its International duty in the DRA, citizens had an understanding of the general tasks and ideas that the USSR carries, and when modern "effective" managers decide to close issues with recruitment into the army with electronic agendas, then what is this if not a failure in domestic politics?

[Romanenko]

Citizenship in our country, at least, is declared by providing all the resources of the State with equal rights to all citizens, but at the same time, for some reason, citizens put rights ahead of duties. And here lies the main mistake, it is possible to fully enjoy the rights subject to the fulfillment of one's civic duties. Otherwise, liability arises, either administrative or criminal, it's who and how wants only legal support.
Here, many citizens begin to beat themselves with their heels in the chest and grunt that they are pacifists and pede@@@st and will only do what they like.
It’s not right, it’s like at work, you did your job - get a reward, didn’t do it - suck your thumb, well, or quit and look for another job where you will be carried in your arms just because you decided to get a job with them.
In this situation, all those who wished and received citizenship become equal before the law and the Constitution of the country that granted citizenship.
So go ahead and with songs!
And the songs can be different. Farewell to a Slav or a Kirghiz, maybe an Uzbek or a Georgian...

[Guran33 Sergey]

If two or three per unit, then they begin to understand in a week and speak with little or no accent (if they don’t develop some kind of “nice-sounding” one) in a month. social housing and the absence of a mosque) from the military to specialty training and not leaving the country for up to five years for permanent residence

[Alexfly]

To do this, you must at least create an army at the level of Israel ... Well, AND LEARN TO TRUST YOUR OWN PEOPLE ..

[Oleg Apushkin]

At the beginning of the SVO, they took everyone, until a couple of chocks at the training ground shot 10 people and wounded more than a dozen. It can be seen that Count Mikhalkov selectively began to think, he does not feel sorry for his own.

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

All former Soviet republics - both Central Asian and Caucasian quasi-states - are Russophobic formations. Our government did not even think of demanding an apology for the genocide of Russian speakers from these Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Kazakhs, Azeris and others. Only a visa regime and difficult conditions for a residence permit, and serious requirements must be made to obtain citizenship. And now the indigenous population of Russia is being washed out by people from these sub-states. And there are more and more problems from migrants - and only the money bags that hire them benefit.