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We are not slaves! Slaves are not us!

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We are not slaves! Slaves are not us!

For the umpteenth time in society, the question arises of a thoroughly bludgeoning: To be or not to be a gunshot arms in the hands of ordinary citizens? Again and again, including on the pages of this site, we return to a serious dispute about this ... I will say about myself. Until recently, I was against weapons, but times change, so does opinion. I will try to win over to my side those who have not yet matured to the idea that the weapon should be allowed.

A traffic accident that ended in shooting took place on Friday evening, 9 in November, in front of the house number 39 on Nizhnye Mnevniki Street in Moscow.

Faced two cars - "Mercedes" and an unidentified foreign car. During the proceedings, the driver of the Mercedes and his brother opened fire from a traumatic weapon, according to Echo of Moscow. In response to these actions, the driver of the car, whose brand was not installed, shot them from a firearm.

As a result, the driver of the Mercedes got a chest wound. The victim was taken to hospital where he died in the intensive care unit.


- It was established that 9 in November in 23.20 opposite the house number 39 on Nizhny Mnevniki Street between 43-year-old Ashot Sargsyan and his 45-year-old brother Arthur on the one hand and an unknown driver of a silver-colored foreign car had a conflict, in which it was concluded, it was not installed, but Accident as it turned out was not. Probably just the driver did not give way to "hot mountaineers" on a Mercedes.

As experts later established, the Sargsyan brothers fired on their opponent 14 traumatic bullets. In response, the driver of an unidentified foreign car twice fired military weapons, allegedly a Makarov pistol, and one of the bullets hit Ashot Sargsyan in the chest.

- The wounded man was brought to the hospital in a state of clinical death. Doctors tried to reanimate it, but without success, - the interlocutor told. - The driver of a silver foreign car disappeared from the scene. Now measures are being taken for his search.

Investigative Committee on the fact of firefight opened a criminal case According to article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "Murder".


Everyone remembers this case? (by the way, the "guilty" is still not found ...). Feelings are contradictory. Imagine: You are driving at night, in your car, perhaps with your wife, with a child ... What are the "cool" on a Mercedes trying to "push" you off the road. You do not give up. In response, the "cool" begin to shoot at you from two trunks ... How do you know that this is a traumatic? Yes, even if so? Imagine the psychological state of your wife, child? His, in the end ... Of course, it was easier to give in, not to get involved, to endure. But I just want to ask: How long ?! In general, maybe there were no women and children in the car, but simply there was a REAL man. He made two shots and killed one of the attackers! I think the survivor Sargsyan, next time will think hard, before firing at anyone, because of the hurt "Caucasian pride."

I would not want to escalate national discord, this is in the internet and so full. But it’s not my fault that Caucasians mostly shoot. Shoot, being confident in their impunity. In fact, one can pay off a court, bribe a police officer, hire an expensive lawyer who has been intimidated by victims by numerous relatives. Only from one there is no salvation, from an overdose of lead in a bad head!

The State Duma amended the law on the police, for which the police get the right to use service weapons against persons who shoot out of hooliganism. Reports about it RIA News.

The author of the United Russia bill, Alexei Zhuravlev, explained that now the punishment for violating the rules for using weapons, if there are no elements of a crime or an offense, can only be confiscation. At the same time, the consequences of indiscriminate shooting are unpredictable and can be compared with acts that contain signs of a grave crime against the life and health of an indefinite number of people. In connection with this document, it is proposed to allow the guards to use weapons to prevent firing and apprehend shooters.

Earlier, United Russia deputies made amendments to the Administrative Code to the State Duma to toughen the punishment for shooting in localities, providing for a fine of up to 50 thousand rubles and arrest for 15 days. The confiscation of weapons is also envisaged, as well as the deprivation of the right to acquire or store them for a period from 5 to 7 years.

Recently, in Moscow, there have been two incidents with shooting at weddings. In both cases, the participants in the wedding procession fired from the car into the air. Later, the arrows were arrested, cases were brought against them.


In order not to be convicted of nationalism (God forbid! I have never been a nationalist!), I want to remind everyone the case of an attack on an Armenian family:

An 52-year-old businessman stabbed three robbers into his home. Gegham Sarkisyan and his family fear that the criminal who survived the bloody massacre will try to avenge the murdered accomplices. The former hunter told in detail how he managed to put three armed bandits on the spot with a kitchen knife.

“They drove my whole family and then started beating up women — they shouted for me to give them money and gold. I gave them everything that I had, but they did not let up! - the man remembers. “I told them I had nothing else, but they did not believe.” When they put a gun to the head of my 7-month-old grandson, I thought I would go crazy.

However, the shot did not sound. Two gangsters grabbed a man and dragged him to another room.

Massacre

“The rest of the fiends continued to beat the women and torment my children,” continues Gegham. - The sister-in-law and my little daughter managed to escape, they rushed to me and helped me to free myself. I rushed into the kitchen. Grabbed the first knife; One of the criminals chased after me, I turned around and hit him in the stomach. When the second ran, I hit him in the head. I understood that the most important thing was to knock down that with a gun. "And we'll see," I thought.

The next hit the master caught the third criminal. There was only one left. Seeing what happened to his accomplices, the robber rushed to run. The remaining three were no longer helpful.

“They all died before the ambulance arrived,” the businessman continued. - One was injured, but quickly bled out. I do not know how it happened. I was taught to use weapons in the army. It also helped that I was keen on hunting. But my strength seemed to be tenfold when I saw that they attacked my children.

Threat

But even now Gegham Sargsyan believes that the trouble has not yet passed.

“Most of all, I’m afraid that the latter may return when I’m not around,” the man laments.

Operatives managed to find out the names of two of the three criminals. It turned out that a company of drug addicts made a raid on the family of a businessman from Bogoroditsk.

As it became known to "Veku", the identities of the two killed in the house of Sargsyan were established. They turned out to be the previously convicted citizen of Georgia 44-year-old Archil Kevlishvili and also 41-year-old Sergei Rozhdestvensky, who served time for drug possession, reported. in the city police.


As you can see, crime has no nationality. And if he had a weapon? Not a knife, but a normal gun? By the way, for reference:
in the US, citizens are killed CRIMINALS 6 times more than they are executed! And this figure is comparable to the number of criminals shot by the police.
In Israel, half of all terrorist attacks are suppressed by armed citizens who are nearby. Ponder - HALF!

And now my opinion, which, as I said, has changed radically:

1. BAN ANY TRAFFIC! People are too irresponsible to use it.
2. DO NOT Pneumatics! For the same reason.
3. ALLOW the firearms short-barreled weapons to carry.
4. ENABLE long-barreled firearms for STORAGE.

Naturally, toughen the selection of citizens who receive the rights to weapons. And most importantly, before allowing a weapon, it is necessary to cardinally review the law on self-defense! Returning to the beginning of the article, I can’t agree with the incriminated article for the gunman. What is this murder ?! Even the excess of the necessary defense measures do not smell! He shot back, after 14-ty shots! And if there was a wife and child? At night, on a deserted street ... What would you do? Would you guess their injuries or not? I think the most that can be presented is the illegal possession and carrying of weapons.

And the last. As is known, "Slaves differ from free citizens in that they have no right to bear arms." I would like to ask, are Moldovans, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians much more responsible and smarter than Russians? They were allowed to have weapons, and countries did not drown in bloody bacchanalia.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 07: 19
    +13
    Let’s take the injuries from the Caucasians and give them permission for military weapons. fool In the country, put things in order and do not need weapons. As long as the law is not uniform for everyone, but selectively, while judges and prosecutors take bribes from their homies lawyers, there will be hundreds of such articles.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 41
      +9
      You might think that some of the dzhigits would be a problem to get permission ...
      1. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 28 November 2012 10: 11
        +8
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        You might think that some of the dzhigits would be a problem to get permission ...


        I agree with you .... this is the problem that now, any person from the North Caucasus, almost from the age of 14, has in his pockets a knife or an injury, and applies them whenever he wants (with the direct connivance of the Ministry of Internal Affairs). ..This is in central Russia, and at home each of them, I think, has something much more serious ..... And in order to get permission to residents of other regions of Russia, you need to go through a hundred circles of hell .... We have a situation in our country where one citizen can do what others cannot, and people differ only in nationality .... And to whom Thanet better, they will not walk the streets with travmatiki and military weapons?
        1. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 29 November 2012 07: 50
          +3
          Probably just the driver did not give way "hot mountaineers" on a Mercedes


          The first! Do not need all Caucasians under one comb! Armenians are not some wild mountain dwellers. Representatives of this fraternal people have done a lot for our common culture and for our science (Poghosyan, Mikoyan, Agambegyan, etc.)

          Second! Building your position based solely on the assumption of the causes of the conflict is not correct! You need to rely on facts, not speculation ...

          Third! I myself have witnessed an injury incident. I’ll tell you friends that we have a lot of inaccessible people on the street who are ready to solve minor conflicts and misunderstandings with the threat of using weapons ... And no one will give us guarantees of strict psychological control when issuing permits.

          As a lawyer, I came across a forensic psychological and psychoanalytic examination (which should be an order of magnitude more serious, since it is already within the framework of a court case), and so ... expert opinions often contain clear signs of a "tyap-lyapa" superficial attitude to research.

          So let's stick to the main medical rule - DO NOT HARM!
          1. Antistaks
            Antistaks 2 December 2012 23: 24
            +1
            What kind of Mikoyan did you mean? Which KB Polikarpova destroyed?
        2. kostello2004
          kostello2004 3 December 2012 16: 56
          0
          from where info? Why are you lying so wrong
        3. survivor
          survivor 4 December 2012 15: 52
          0
          not true. I am Caucasian, I can use almost any domestic small arms, but I don’t have one at all.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 09: 03
      +9
      You betrayed !!! good "While"...
      And what, are there any prerequisites for our law to be the same for everyone? Did I miss something?
      I've dreamed about this all my life ... Then I will simply be swearing from another Lexus by another shit for 20 years, for the fact that I walked along the passage without missing His Majesty, otherwise there will be a prospect that they will shoot me at the same passage. And nothing will happen to him, because daddy puffs, calls, and good lawyers will prove that I was drunk in shit and shouting "come in large numbers here!" rushed at him with a shovel.
      No, not ice ... negative
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 10
        +2
        Quote: Banshee
        And what, are there any prerequisites for our law to be the same for everyone?

        Then the former boxer beat the man to death for making a remark to him for the theft in the store. The investigation concluded that he had been killed for 2 years. They give him more for theft. hi
      2. Armata
        Armata 28 November 2012 09: 17
        +4
        Quote: Banshee
        Either they will just swear at me from another Lexus by another shit for 20 years, for the fact that I walked along the passage without letting His Majesty pass, otherwise there will be a prospect that they will shoot me at the same passage. And nothing will happen to him, because daddy puffs, calls, and good lawyers will prove that I was drunk in shit and shouting "come in large numbers here!" rushed at him with a shovel.
        No, not ice ...
        Welcome all. I will give a real example. In Yekaterinburg in the winter of 2012 at night, the grader driver cleaned the snow, he was disturbed by infinity on the side of the road. A man got out of the tractor and asked the driver to clean the car. The owner of the Infinity Dagestan, without words got an injury and shot from a half meter in the face of the tractor driver. A man died in the hospital, he has 2 small children left. And this creature threw off the trunk (then he said that he had gotten rid of it, of course) and then the cops set conditions for how and under what conditions he would come for questioning. And he would get away with it if the communal services had not rebelled and had not stated that they would simply ram all these parked ones. Then the chief prosecutor of Russia ordered him to be punished in all severity. All the severity was that he was given only a year of imprisonment.
        Duck, that's what I mean. The carrying of any weapon including injury should be prohibited. Knives should be registered as hunting weapons as before. Prohibit the sale of pneumatics, knives that are of the "non-combat" type.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 27
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          The owner of the Infinity Dagestan, without words got an injury and shot from a half meter in the face of the tractor driver. A man died in the hospital, he left 2 small children. And this creature threw off the trunk (then he said that he had gotten rid of it, of course) and then the cops set conditions for how and under what conditions he would come for interrogation.

          Hi Zhenya, and now they’ll give them battle ones. They have reserved cattle, take trunks from all Caucasians, and forbid them to have the law.
          1. Armata
            Armata 28 November 2012 09: 34
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The cattle are redundant, they can finally take trunks from all Caucasians and forbid them by law.
            Hi Sanya. A dagger, this is part of their national clothes. What to do with them?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 55
              +4
              Quote: Mechanic
              A dagger, this is part of their national clothes. What to do with them

              Let the wooden ones be worn, cut again, then heal them.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 20
                +3
                Plastic is also not bad, anyway, in the sheath it is not visible which blade ...
                1. survivor
                  survivor 4 December 2012 16: 03
                  0
                  how did you all get sick !!! a criminal, no matter who he is by nationality, is all one criminal. not all Caucasians are criminals, just like not all Russian angels! how much bile and anger in words! don’t pass by when one thread from the CRIMINS does its dirty work and then there will be order. All one is better than smearing bile on the clave!
          2. zadotov
            zadotov 3 December 2012 10: 04
            0
            Introduce the Pale of Settlement for Savages
      3. Waroc
        Waroc 28 November 2012 09: 48
        +9
        Let's clarify a little when the weapon is officially authorized - if it opens fire, it will be shot by passing armed citizens - and quite legitimately - it was the first to fire, and those around it shot a criminal shooting at passers-by. But if others do not have the right to carry weapons - what do you think, does the owner of the Lexus have a barrel, and it doesn’t matter if he describes whether he has it legally or not !!!
        And knowing that they can, without further ado, stupidly shoot on the spot, and any of those around you, as you think, would dare to act as you suggested. Lawyers are good, but neither lawyers nor bribes will help the corpse.
        The only thing to clarify is that short-barreled weapons can and should be allowed only if the legal framework is processed on this issue !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 58
          +3
          Quote: Waroc
          And knowing that they can, without further ado, stupidly shoot on the spot, and any of those around you, as you think, would dare to act as you suggested.

          There is such a category of people - "masters of life", and so they do not see people around them. They are so used to living, even if they shoot him, they will put a commoner who dared to raise his hand against an untouchable.
          1. Atlon
            28 November 2012 10: 27
            +9
            A "master of life" in the next world moral satisfaction from this or what ?! laughing Something I doubt ... A man (or scotina?) Who has everything that you want from life, because that’s how he behaves, because he does not expect a bullet in return. And trauma shooting just in connection with the frivolity of this weapon. For some reason, the opponents will not understand in any way that the LEGAL pistol is like a legal car. Do you know a lot of cases of bank robbery in your personal, LEGAL car? That's it!
            But cool, no matter how cool, is also made of meat. And with a bullet in the head, no communications and lawyers will help him.
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 13: 43
            +2
            FROM BAD HABITS have to give a couple of no adequate OWNERS Lexus shoot, they start to think, that next to other people ZHIVUT..POVERTE LIVE want everything and owners of the Lexus too, but from the need to give travmatiki he was considered a toy, but it KILLER! AND THE AUTHORITY IS AFRAID OF GIVING WEAPONS TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THEN THEN THEIR ENDLESSION WILL HERE FINISH THE SAME !!!!!
            1. kostello2004
              kostello2004 3 December 2012 16: 58
              0
              even more caps! Give the children weapons and they will shoot each other, but why do you need a trunk? To go bald? to tease? shoot at Caucasians?
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 24
          +1
          Will others shoot? Don’t tell me, in any country this cannot happen, unless earlier in South Africa or Rhodesia and if someone is particularly tanned ...
          Well, there is Israel, where every Palestinian can get a bullet under the pretext that he is a potential terrorist ...
          1. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 28 November 2012 19: 55
            +3
            if necessary, believe us, they will shoot you much faster than in Israel. it would be from what. they will also arrange a dispute about who will shoot at such a "master of life"
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 13: 47
            +2
            BROTHER YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR PEOPLE! RUSSIAN IS ABLE TO SUCH WHAT DOESN'T PRESENT IN A DREAM !!!!! AND THAT THE AUTHORITIES US KEEP FOR THE SLAVES, IT IS SIGNIFICANT !!!!
        3. Armata
          Armata 28 November 2012 10: 36
          0
          Quote: Waroc
          if it opens fire, it will be shot past by passing armed citizens - and quite legally - he opened fire first, and those around him shot the criminal shooting at passers-by.
          Yeah, a shootout on the street, and even a few citizens, it’s generally very good, as in American cinema.
          Quote: Waroc
          But if others do not have the right to carry weapons - what do you think, does the owner of the Lexus have a trunk, and it doesn’t matter if he describes whether he has it legally or not !!!
          But with the ban, the relevant authorities should do this. And I, as an honest citizen, should not be fooled by the fact that the owner of a Lexus has a trunk.
          1. Atlon
            28 November 2012 11: 24
            +7
            Quote: Mechanic
            And I, as an honest citizen, should not be fooled by the fact that the owner of a Lexus has a trunk.

            Therefore, it is better I will sidestep the owners of Lexus ... That is, I will be a simple sheep. If the owner of Lexus is in a good mood, maybe he won’t do anything to me ... And if in a bad mood, he’ll shoot! Such is my sheep’s share ... wassat
            1. Armata
              Armata 28 November 2012 11: 53
              -1
              Quote: Atlon
              Therefore, it is better I will sidestep the owners of Lexus ... That is, I will be a simple sheep. If the owner of Lexus is in a good mood, maybe he won’t do anything to me ... And if in a bad mood, he’ll shoot! Such is my sheep’s share ...
              Most likely you did not understand what I'm talking about. I don’t freeze the police do my job. Well, or let’s I’m ready to protect my life and the life of my family (thank God I have enough hunting trunks and there is an injury, but somehow I don’t take it with me), then all law enforcement and lawmakers are simply forced to drive out of work for incompetence (it’s because they direct obligation to ensure the safety of its citizens)
              1. Whole
                Whole 28 November 2012 14: 17
                +5
                It is high time for the "law enforcers" to be kicked in the neck - they are not only incompetent, but already simply dangerous for society ...
              2. sniper
                sniper 28 November 2012 14: 59
                +7
                Quote: Mechanic
                (this is their direct duty to ensure the safety of their citizens)

                And the duty of the Minister of Defense day and night to keep up the improvement of defense capability ... Gentlemen, let's proceed from what we have ... And we have a disgusting legal base and worthless police ... And our lives are not worth a penny .. .And here we have no opportunities to protect ourselves and our loved ones ... Well, the tales that legalize short-barrels will arm criminals, so now they have everything that they need ...
            2. kostello2004
              kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 00
              0
              150 lei ago, serfdom was abolished, so now everyone wants to be equal with bankers and politicians, and at the same time they hate gays, the same Muslims. One-sided somehow
        4. Captain45
          Captain45 28 November 2012 18: 40
          +2
          Quote: Waroc
          if it opens fire, it will be shot past by passing armed citizens - and quite legally - he opened fire first, and those around him shot the criminal shooting at passers-by.

          Dear, you yourself understood what you said? From your words, passing armed citizens are all quite pros like Hard Nut and shoot right in the middle of the forehead. Or that groups of armed citizens will deliberately with weapons walk in the streets and wait for some moron to start shooting, so that they would shoot this moron on a legitimate basis with a sense of deep satisfaction and accomplishment. But will not these armed citizens run away at the first shot, because on the Internet one thing is trending, and when a bullet over his head whistles is another.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 13: 59
            +2
            CAPTEN-45 AND YOU FIRST TRY IT, GIVE PEOPLE TO YOURSELF TO PURCHASE OR NO BARREL, AND THEN LET'S LOOK LIKE TO CARE WITH IT AND DO NOT KEEP RUSSIANS FOR FOOLS. IN MOLDOVA IN ESTONIA AND THEN ARE SMART, AND WE ARE ONE FOOLS !? Are you probably the one who is afraid of his people? Surely there is what they are afraid of?
        5. nerd.su
          nerd.su 1 December 2012 23: 33
          +2
          Quote: Waroc
          in the case when the weapon is officially authorized - if it opens fire, it will be shot by passing armed citizens


          the road to hell is paved with good intentions of assholes. Well, in America, a country where everyone is armed, no one has shot a crazy "joker"? So he killed until the cartridges ran out.
          If you want to carry weapons, go to the army, the police, to the guard, finally. Go in for shooting sports or hunting. And so, why do you need a trunk? Is it proud to demonstrate to the boys in the yard? Now it’s so fashionable to measure pussy? In order to avoid mental traumas, you can even buy a pistol better, but if by nature there is nothing to brag about, then depression is not far away)))
    3. arkady149
      arkady149 28 November 2012 11: 58
      +3
      Mr. Romanov, The mentality of "hot Caucasian guys" is somewhat different from the traditional one: "trauma will not kill, and a real man should not be afraid of pain." Hence the "liberties" in handling "frivolous" weapons.
    4. VictorRO
      VictorRO 28 November 2012 20: 01
      +6
      There is experience of the same former republics of the USSR where everything has been allowed for a long time and there are no massacres. On the contrary - any aggressor will think three times what to attack - knowing that the victim can be armed.
      Here is the law of Moldova that will be valid on 10.2013 - http://lex.justice.md/viewdoc.php?action=view&view=doc&id=311532&lang=2
      and here is the new law that will come in from 10.2013 - http://lex.justice.md/viewdoc.php?action=view&view=doc&id=345127&lang=2
      Despite the fact that some points are tightened or obsessive, but the main thing is that they removed the state’s monopoly on the sale of weapons and ammunition and increased the wearable caliber of the barrel (rifled short-barrel) to 11,35 mm (.50)
      Since 94, we have allowed short-barreled rifled weapons and there are no problems. Now personally I have Glock 19 9x19 mm
      We may also have problems when using weapons on the street. everything is written foggy in the old law. But better than 3 will be judged than 6 carry the coffin :)
      Criminals will always be armed regardless of the restrictions prescribed by law.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 20: 09
        -3
        Yes, even if you all shoot each other there - no one will notice! Few of you are simply, there is no material for statistics, but the fact that it will appear very soon can be guaranteed! And your outback will become famous throughout the world for filthy glory ...
        But we have weapons prohibited, no traumatism, pneumatics are unrealistically expensive, and plus control over everything - we are quiet, and thank God! And it will be quiet while these laws are in effect ...
        1. VictorRO
          VictorRO 28 November 2012 20: 36
          +3
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          And your outback will become famous throughout the world for filthy glory ...

          What are you talking about ? I understand that you live somewhere in a special place in the world where everything is quiet .... give an address, we can all move there :)
      2. VictorRO
        VictorRO 28 November 2012 20: 21
        +3
        You can put at least 1000 minuses if it is easier for you from this. I conducted those inspections of the population’s weapons and I can say that they didn’t come to those who had a trunk in the dashing 90s, because bandiukes first make inquiries about the victim (especially in rural areas) and then they go to work.
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 06
        +2
        I AGREE WITH VICTOR 100% I THINK THAT ONLY THE FEAR OF RECEIVING A TURNOVER WILL RETAIN MANY FROM INEAQUATE ACTIONS, I ALREADY NOT TALK ABOUT CRIME!
        1. kostello2004
          kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 06
          -2
          wonders of deduction
      4. nerd.su
        nerd.su 1 December 2012 23: 46
        0
        Quote: VictoRO
        Since 94, we have allowed short-barreled rifled weapons and there are no problems. Now personally I have Glock 19 9x19 mm

        And how many times have you escaped from hooligans? Or maybe someone was saved? With a pistol? And what, on the street, two tipsy students are trying to get to know a girl and then you take out a pistol, like in American cinema you clang the shutter - "leave the foe behind the girl!"
    5. Antistaks
      Antistaks 2 December 2012 23: 22
      -2
      Caucasians have weapons without permission. Maybe we need to LEVEL the chances?
    6. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 16: 55
      0
      and anti-personnel grenades
  2. smel
    smel 28 November 2012 07: 23
    +7
    TOTALLY FOR. I must have the right to defend myself and my loved ones from the attack of villains in any way. Yes, and the beast will be more careful in its behavior. And the presence of weapons among citizens will clearly cool the jackals about which the author is so reluctant and cautious
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 28 November 2012 08: 28
      +2
      Quote: smel
      TOTALLY FOR. I must have the right to defend myself and my loved ones from the attack of villains in any way.

      Well, and protect. Buy a barrel and shoot offenders. Why do you need legislative permission. After all, bandits do not care about the law. They have weapons without the law. In the end, we will achieve that we will shoot everyone in the country.
      Having a weapon is a big responsibility. Like in a theater, if a gun hangs on a wall, in the last act it should shoot.
      Weapons must not be allowed, but injuries, etc. must be prohibited and seized.
      There are many ways to deal with lawlessness. Only the will of the authorities and the law-abiding population is needed. The police must protect law-abiding citizens, not bandits. And it’s enough to pay attention to the cries of the liberalists and Western human rights activists that the authorities are tough on bandits. Bandit thief should be in prison (C)
      1. gmajor
        gmajor 28 November 2012 20: 09
        +4
        The police themselves do not always know how to protect themselves, that it’s not up to the citizens, to every policeman.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 11
        +1
        EUSTAS YOU PROTECT AUTHORITY, HAVE SLAVES ABOUT US, MEANS YOU FROM THEM AND YOUR FEAR IS UNDERSTANDED, YOU DO NOT KNOW TO THE ARMED HUMAN!
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 1 December 2012 23: 54
          +1
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          WE DO NOT KNOW TO AN ARMED HUMAN!


          What, you trample on a tank with a pistol? Go to the army, eccentric, and after the shallow such nonsense.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 09: 05
      +9
      The movie was like this with Eddie Murphy, Harlem Nights:
      “Do you really think that you will defeat everyone?”
      - Yes, I always have a gun!
      “You will take a gun, I will take a gun, they will take pistols ... As a result, everyone will be with pistols and nothing good will end!”
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 15
        0
        WE WILL FINISH EVERYTHING WELL, THIS BLACK AND WHITE WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BY THEM, AND THE RUSSIAN UNDERSTANDING PEOPLE AND WHAT IT IS POSSIBLE AND UNDERSTAND EXCELLENT!
        1. kostello2004
          kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 09
          -1
          that's why all these Russians want a weapon, because they cannot agree, another example of a drunken frenzy, another Vanya decides to shoot at the banks to shoot a good shot and shoot at someone, no, we don’t need a monkey with a grenade
          1. WW3
            WW3 4 December 2012 00: 37
            +1
            Quote: kostello2004
            so all these Russians want a weapon, because they cannot agree, another example is the next van

            Well, the foreign agent whisked off bully
    3. Blackscorp
      Blackscorp 28 November 2012 10: 15
      -1
      Quote: smel
      TOTALLY FOR


      Yes, you understand a simple thing, you won’t get it (permission), but they will get it ... But if you allow just free sale (well, or with a few reservations), then, in principle, we don’t have a culture of handling weapons and everyone
      excuse the "asshole", having bought the barrel will think that now it has "iron balls" and, believe me, it will not be more careful ...
      1. VictorRO
        VictorRO 28 November 2012 20: 13
        +1
        Permission to wear does not mean that everyone will be armed tomorrow. Do not forget that weapons are not eggs and costs a lot of money for the majority (taking into account permissions, a safe, etc.). We have been allowed since 1994 and now have a little more than 60000 barrels in the population of which less than half are short-barrel because the price is good gun from 800 bucks. Russian Baikal 442 (copy of PM) - 440 bucks. Moreover, in Russia there are about 9-10 trunks per 100 population and we have 1,6
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 23
        +2
        DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE BY YOURSELF !!! I HAD AN AUTOMATIC MACHINE IN THE ARMY, BUT I HAVE NOT SHOT ANYONE FROM MY OFFICIALS! AND WHAT DO YOU DO FROM PEOPLE DO IT? I THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE IS PROTECTED, THOSE AGAINST THE PEOPLE! THAT WANTS TO SEE US CROWD OF SLAVES !!
        1. kostello2004
          kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 11
          -1
          everything is clear yet you were offended by the army) you are our offended
    4. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 07
      0
      yes ride on an armored personnel carrier and shoot poor Caucasians
    5. survivor
      survivor 4 December 2012 16: 09
      0
      smile, who are you jackal? if the criminals, then I completely agree with you, but if a simple Caucasian, then stupid and very wrong!
  3. Vanek
    Vanek 28 November 2012 07: 26
    +6
    And most importantly, before allowing weapons, you must DIRECTLY review the law on self-defense!

    This is what needs to be done first of all !!!

    did not give way to the "hot mountaineers" in a Mercedes.

    I don’t understand at all, they came down from the mountains yesterday, and today they are already on a Mercedes. How so?
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 28 November 2012 19: 59
      -1
      they in the mountains of Mercedes on a knee gathered that nepontnogo.
    2. gmajor
      gmajor 28 November 2012 20: 12
      +2
      To abolish the concept of "Necessary Defense", what do you think?
  4. predator.3
    predator.3 28 November 2012 07: 38
    0
    1. BAN ANY TRAFFIC! People are too irresponsible to use it.
    2. DO NOT Pneumatics! For the same reason.
    3. ALLOW the firearms short-barreled weapons to carry.
    4. ENABLE long-barreled firearms for STORAGE.


    Question: and who is mainly armed with firearms? Right, hot Caucasian guys! even with injuries, they are always in the news all the time, as if they were specifically releasing them.
    .
  5. old rocket man
    old rocket man 28 November 2012 07: 43
    +8
    All competent citizens who have not been prosecuted for crimes against a person should have the right to possess and carry short-barreled weapons. The use of weapons against persons who entered private property should be justified regardless of the degree of threat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      All competent citizens who have not been prosecuted for crimes against the individual should have the right to possess and carry short-barreled weapons

      YES, let's arm everyone, the Danestans are not yet running around the country with military weapons, they will be.
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      The use of weapons against persons entering private property should be justified regardless of the degree of threat

      It was beautiful on paper. Probably in the country where you live on bribes they don’t take bribes and the law is the same for everyone. The law respects the Citizen of his country, officials shamefully resign from their own will. I envy you, otherwise in Russia everything is different .
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 28 November 2012 08: 30
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        YES, let's arm everyone, the Danestans are not yet running around the country with military weapons, they will be.

        DAGESTAN AND SO RUN WITH WEAPONS, and you cry less, I live in Russia and older than you, I did not give bribes never and you don’t give, we will give less, they will take less
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 08: 41
          -1
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          DAGESTAN AND SO RUN WITH WEAPONS

          So far, only in Dagestan, and with your offer will also be throughout Russia.
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          and you cry less

          I don’t cry.
          Quote: Old Rocketman
          I never gave bribes and you don’t give, we will give less, they will take less

          Don’t ask anyone, they don’t take bribes and don’t give. Where you get corruption from in Russia, you wonder. You don’t have to write to me, but to prosecutors and judges.
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 33
            0
            IN OUR COUNTRY WHERE TAKE Bribes, STOP TAKING Bribes, IF THE PEOPLE HAVE WEAPONS. FEAR NOBODY CANCELED !!! MORE THAN FOR NOT THE RIGHT BUSINESS! ALL YOUR JUDICIALS WILL LIVE BY LAW! IN THE USA, THERE IS A GOOD PROVERB: THE LORD GOD CREATED PEOPLE, AND MR. COLT LEVELED EVERYONE IN THE RIGHTS !! VERY ACTUAL!
            1. kostello2004
              kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 30
              0
              what if you are a maniac? who decides to give you a weapon or not? and if those who decide to give weapons or not the Dagestan?
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 43
          -2
          So did not give? And if you recall?
      2. Igor
        Igor 28 November 2012 08: 55
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I envy you, otherwise in Russia everything is different


        And as I see everything suits you laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 29
          -1
          Quote: Igorek
          And as I see everything suits you

          No, it’s all right for you if you expose such comments.
          1. Igor
            Igor 28 November 2012 10: 09
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            No, it’s all right for you if you expose such comments.


            Well, well, I’m wondering if armed people will burst at your neighbor whose family and children have a family and children shouting "Open with ... we came to kill you!", So you personally would rush at them with your bare hands or call Would you go to the police and wait while people are being killed behind the wall? I had such a case after which I spent almost 3 months in the hospital with a knife wound and an injury from the Wasp, but if I had a barrel, I would immediately finish them off on they wouldn't have had time to utter a word in the stairwell.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 13
              0
              Quote: Igorek

              Well, well, I’m wondering if armed people would burst at your neighbor who has a family and children at home, shouting "Open with ... we came to kill you!", So you personally would rush at them with your bare hands

              For such cases there is "SAIGA" and such a barrel is much better than a pistol.
              1. Igor
                Igor 28 November 2012 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                For such cases there is "SAIGA" and such a barrel is much better than a pistol.


                Better yet, take Gatling and make a holey cheese out of a villain or a flamethrower right away.
            2. SASCHAmIXEEW
              SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 40
              0
              SO IT SHOULD BE. AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE AFRAID THAT THEY WILL START TO BE WATERED BY THE LAW! AGAINST WHO DOES NOT BENEFIT THE SHORT-BREED LAW. Ie "BANDITS" EVEN FROM DEPUTIES! FEAR THEY EATS THAT COULD RUN!
      3. Atlon
        28 November 2012 10: 39
        +8
        What is everyone so afraid of Dagestanis? Not ashamed? They are the same people, a little peculiar, but the same! If you hide from them, they will only be bolder! And when in return it will be possible to get a bullet, they will become much calmer. And everyone else too. There will be less emotion. Everyone will become more polite. Legal weapon, it is more like a deterrent weapon. And the same notorious Caucasians, not so idiots and scumbags as it seems to many. Shooting with an elastic band is one thing, and shooting from a legal, registered weapon is like leaving your signature. In any case, there will be no mass outrage. Everything settles down very quickly.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 42
          +1
          YOU ARE 100% RIGHT ++++++++++++++++
        2. survivor
          survivor 4 December 2012 16: 20
          0
          totally agree with you!!! as a fact, when warehouses were looted in Grozny, a lot of weapons were also handed over to the population. After three or four cases of robbery attempts, when the CRIMINALS resisted, sharply similar crimes subsided. how do you know what the owner will pull out from under the floors to your gun or sawn-off shotgun? no fools. I have a familiar guy, Russian by nationality, when they got into him, he simply pulled out a ring from eFki. So after that he became the owner of Makarov and AKM. The main spirit of man!
    2. kostello2004
      kostello2004 3 December 2012 17: 29
      0
      and after its application, lose the right to wear for life
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 28 November 2012 07: 44
    +9
    1. BAN ANY TRAFFIC! People are too irresponsible to use it.
    2. DO NOT Pneumatics! For the same reason.
    3. ALLOW the firearms short-barreled weapons to carry.
    4. ENABLE long-barreled firearms for STORAGE.


    Question: and who is mainly armed with firearms? Right, hot Caucasian guys! even with injuries, they are always in the news all the time, as if they were specifically releasing them.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 November 2012 07: 48
      +14
      Quote: predator.3

      Question: and who is mainly armed with firearms

      Both criminals and hot Caucasian guys (which, for me personally, are one and the same thing) have been armed for so long and they don’t give a damn about the law
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 08: 06
        0
        Quote: Old Rocketman

        Both criminals and hot Caucasian guys (which, for me personally, are one and the same thing) have been armed for so long and they don’t give a damn about the law

        Oh, well, all Caucasians are running around Russia with firearms, don't talk nonsense and don't turn the facts over. Now they run with injuries, and thanks to people like you, "fans of combat weapons" will run with combat. If you want to protect your family at home, buy a saigu, it will be cooler than any pistol.
        1. old rocket man
          old rocket man 28 November 2012 08: 38
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          buy saigu-abruptly any pistol will be

          On the saiga, by the way, you also need permission plus a hunting ticket (I have a weapon, but I’m talking about opportunities for citizens, this does not mean that everyone will immediately run to buy it) you don’t have to hang up labels if someone’s opinion is different from yours or moderators everything is possible?
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 28 November 2012 08: 46
            +8
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            I'm talking about opportunities for citizens,

            Well, I'm a citizen. I know how to handle firearms, I’m not crazy, I served in the army, I don’t have any drives or criminal record, I’m not a drug addict, I’m not an alcoholic, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A SHOTGUN WEAPON, NO LEGAL LAW! THERE A POLICE LET IT PROTECT ME! The only thing I want to be able to demand from the police is responsibility for my protection.
            1. Waroc
              Waroc 28 November 2012 10: 04
              +2
              So demand, only it is hard for a corpse to demand something, and it is unnecessary already. Why do you want to decide for me? You don’t want to - don’t get it, I want to buy it, or accordingly I have a desire, at least, to have such an opportunity.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 29
                +2
                And personally, I’m calmer when I know that no one has trunks around, no, except pneumatics, and most likely only at home! And there are no hunting rifles either ....
                And if I know that someone may have trunks around, then I will have to take care to get the trunk, and to carry around with the trunk personally does not make me happy ...
                1. d.gksueyjd
                  d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 11: 03
                  +2
                  Yes, it’s time for you to go to a monastery (it’s possible to go to a woman’s), a person cannot be outside society. 30 years ago, a firearm was reported to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Moscow, it was an emergency!
                  Now there are so many arms on hand that they will still be forced to resolve the legal.
            2. d.gksueyjd
              d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 10: 57
              +2
              Quote: Ustas
              The only thing I want to be able to demand from the police is responsibility for my protection

              Here, here when they kill you for a pack of cigarettes and demand that the police take responsibility for their protection!
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 29 November 2012 07: 11
                0
                Quote: d.gksueyjd
                when you are killed for a pack of cigarettes
                Not for a pack of cigarettes, but to get hold of the barrel. Whoever had to, and the trained employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were attacked in order to take possession of weapons, what to say about ordinary citizens. The gun will not help, it is self-deception, if you cannot defend yourself without the barrel, you cannot defend yourself with it. Whoever feels himself a "slave" without a weapon, he will remain the same slave in his soul, but with a weapon.
            3. vadimN
              vadimN 28 November 2012 12: 27
              +3
              Quote: Ustas
              BUT I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A FIRE-SHOT WEAPON


              Do not want - do not have! You might think, someone makes. Whoever wants to get a license and buy weapons. The rest are not forced ...

              Hope in the police ... Just shout it at the right moment first ... They will come ... then ... to examine your corpse and close the case ...
            4. sq
              sq 28 November 2012 12: 31
              +2
              Apparently you are just a fucked-up sheep, a Tolstoyans non-resident. I wonder how you will demand police responsibility for protection with a piece of lead in your head or with loose guts. Even in Soviet times, I heard the expression: OUR POLICE BEFORE US.
              And in today's times, if you don’t protect yourself, nobody will protect you.
              All of these GYROIs are bold only where they don’t meet an adequate answer and if they know that at the slightest ... they don’t get lyuli, they will become quiet and calm, and most importantly quite people.
              And while a dozen mordovorotov crowd indifferently pass by a pair of blacks ... x, offending a guy or a girl, then the presence of a trunk or its use in isolated people is only a gesture of despair.
            5. Whole
              Whole 28 November 2012 14: 29
              0
              The police do not protect any of us, YOU don’t want to defend yourself, relying on the police, but you don’t put a guard on each of us, and I want to have the right to be protected from the same "law enforcement officers" such as Evsyukov or sloths like Vinogradov ... Whom the police protected in both of these cases? I have no time and no desire to wait until the police "modernize".
            6. Jin
              Jin 28 November 2012 16: 43
              +2
              Quote: Ustas
              Well, I'm a citizen. I know how to handle firearms, I’m not crazy, I served in the army, I don’t have any drives or criminal record, I’m not a drug addict, I’m not an alcoholic, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE A SHOTGUN WEAPON, NO LEGAL LAW! THERE A POLICE LET IT PROTECT ME! The only thing I want to be able to demand from the police is responsibility for my protection.

              I am amazed you! Have you ever applied to this very population ??? Yes? And how did it help? Yes, well, her ... this police !!! Whom is she protecting? Do not tell God for the sake of !!! Demand, demand, God help you! Who are you going to demand from? From gangsters, only legalized ??? It may immediately want to get hold of the trunk, and not spend months hanging around the rapids.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 24
            -2
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            (I have weapons, but I'm talking about opportunities for citizens

            Citizens themselves will figure out who and what is needed, but you are trying with zeal to arm them, what a care.
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            this does not mean that everyone will immediately run to buy it

            Traumatics, too, do not buy everything, only the shooting does not get smaller and, oddly enough, Caucasians are shooting more and more from it.
            Quote: Old Rocketman
            ) no need to engage in labeling, if someone's opinion is different from yours or moderators can everything?

            Why not? You have your own point of view, I have my own, what problems? You think that in this case I’m violating the rules of the website write a complaint to the administration. AND
            1. zevs379
              zevs379 28 November 2012 14: 51
              +3
              Pan Romanov, what foot did you get up with today? In past discussions, you kind of were.
              Understand the marshal - there is no reception against a scrap, except for another scrap. As soon as carried weapons cease to be the privilege of the "elite", the problem of shooting in the streets will simply disappear. Moldovans have not shot half of the country, and their corruption is worse than ours.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 15: 13
                +2
                Quote: zevs379
                In past discussions, you kind of been

                I am against firearms in all discussions. And now I am against and tomorrow I will also be against. Moldova is not correct to compare with Russia. I see what is happening on our streets and I do not believe that our deputies will make the law the same for everyone. The problem of shooting on the streets will not disappear, they will get drunk and will shoot !!!
                By the way, Zeus, fed the cat?
        2. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 09: 10
          +6
          Sasha, Igor is somewhat right. How many friends I have from Dagestan, injuries are 70%. Yes, they themselves relatively control this business, they often don’t even get to the diaspora. With me, my friend did not allow his younger brother to issue a license, motivating him that he had not served all 19 yet. But there are probably few such examples.

          But the fact that they will automatically switch from injuries to a firearm is UNIQUE.

          And as for the Saiga at home ... Admit it, we "run into" troubles, we are mostly outside the house ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 34
            +1
            Quote: Banshee
            You must admit that we "run into" troubles, we are mostly outside the house.

            Roma, fighting off troubles will suffice and trauma. Recently, articles on the resolution of military weapons are increasingly being published, why? There is an arms lobby on the offensive and does everything to push through the law. They do not care about people's lives, they need a profit !!! Those who do not understand this strongly support such stuffing. This will not lead to good. By the way, Roman, look at the post of a mechanic in Dagestan, laid out an example. hi
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 31
            +2
            And most importantly, selecting injuries if you wish is as easy as shelling pears! You just need to want to ...
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 14: 47
          0
          FROM THE STREET WITH SAIGA, YES TO YOU, THE COP WILL QUICKLY GO, AND THE BANDITOU WILL BE BYPASSED, AND WHEN DOES NOT KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POCKET, BEWARE!
      2. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 28 November 2012 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Both criminals and hot Caucasian guys (which, for me personally, is the same thing)

        Oh how! All under one comb. Old and wise are not always synonyms.
    2. Atlon
      28 November 2012 10: 44
      +5
      Quote: predator.3
      Question: and who is mainly armed with firearms? Right, hot Caucasian guys! even with injuries, they are always in the news all the time, as if they were specifically releasing them.

      Answer: no, it’s not right! Once again I repeat, only sheep are slaughtered! The Russian people (Russian not Russian) became sheep. Therefore, they cut it. And when coffins with inadequacies go to the Caucasus, the situation will change. And it won’t even get to this, to the coffins, in the sense, just the sheep will become smaller and there will be much more adequate Caucasians. And again, what does the Caucasus have to do with it? Not tired of considering yourself a sheep?
      Well, about the news ... When the news says that the "Caucasian" was killed while trying ... to ordinary passers-by ... then the rest will stop trying.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 28 November 2012 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: Atlon
        And when coffins with inadequacies go to the Caucasus,

        The coffins will go both ways to the delight of our stars and stripes "friends".
      2. zevs379
        zevs379 28 November 2012 14: 54
        +6
        Quote: Atlon
        The Russian people (Russian not Russian) became sheep. Therefore, they cut it. And when coffins with inadequacies go to the Caucasus, the situation will change. And it won’t even get to this, to the coffins, in the sense, just the sheep will become smaller and there will be much more adequate Caucasians.



        Here it is the opinion of a FREE RUSSIAN MAN + 100500
    3. vadimN
      vadimN 28 November 2012 12: 24
      +3
      Quote: predator.3
      Question: and who is mainly armed with firearms?


      And who forbids you? Or will we let snot and blame the armed Caucasian guys and helpless power?
      Do you think that something can threaten you and your family - arm yourself! Current legislation allows this. And do not talk that it is difficult, only for bribes ... Bullshit is all. If you are a normal person, not hungry, not a drug addict, not convicted, then getting a gun license is not a problem! The law permits storing hunting weapons at home without even being a hunter (purely for self-defense). Traumatic have and wear the law allows.
      I myself have at home a smooth-bore Saiga-410 and injuries for many years. Many acquaintances are also armed. And I say responsibly - gun ownership disciplines!
      Regarding trauma, I agree with the author of the article. It must be banned, because the allegedly "non-lethality" of the action turned it into a plaything for fools. And fools use it for any reason, partly also because we (all other citizens) are more whining, like "the Caucasians are armed ..." than we are getting ready and ready to fight back!. But if the fool knows that he can get an adequate answer, then he will also think about whether to be more restrained ...
  7. Igor
    Igor 28 November 2012 07: 56
    +2
    As experts later established, the Sargsyan brothers fired 14 traumatic bullets at their opponent. In response, the driver of an unidentified foreign car fired twice from a military weapon, presumably a Makarov pistol, and one of the bullets hit Ashot Sargsyan in the chest.


    Here is an example of pure self-defense! And so we have all the terrorists armed, the bandits too, the psychos who shoot people in supermarkets and the psychos lawyers are also armed.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 08: 44
      +3
      Quote: Igorek

      Here is an example of pure self-defense!

      And you didn’t notice that as a result of self-defense, a criminal case was initiated under 105 CC - murder. This is such self-defense in our country.
      1. Igor
        Igor 28 November 2012 08: 54
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And you didn’t notice that as a result of self-defense, a criminal case was initiated under 105 CC - murder. This is such self-defense in our country.


        That's why it is necessary to allow the short-barreled and to adopt normal laws on self-defense. And if everything is done according to the law, then the case should not be initiated for murder, but for illegal possession of firearms.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 16
          0
          Quote: Igorek
          .And if everything is done according to the law, then the case should not be instituted for murder, but for illegal possession of firearms.

          Listen, yes, here everyone knows how it should be according to the law. Only in our country, law and justice go parallel without touching and works selectively. The law does not stand up for the protection of citizens. You should call the lawyer who is free of charge, which the state guarantees and will immediately catch you, what is the legal system in Russia. There is no money and connections - you will sit if you don’t get on the Internet.
          1. Igor
            Igor 28 November 2012 09: 24
            0
            Judging by your logic, you need to ban cars and piercing and cutting objects, because thousands of times more people die from them than from a firearm and often the culprits are left without punishment or with a suspended sentence.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 00
              0
              Quote: Igorek
              Judging by your logic, you need to ban cars and piercing-cutting objects, because thousands of times more people die from them than from a firearm and often the culprits are left without punishment or with a suspended sentence

              Do not engage in demagogy or are you few corpses?
              1. Igor
                Igor 28 November 2012 10: 54
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Do not engage in demagogy or are you few corpses?


                So what are we going to ban cars and knives?
                1. Joker
                  Joker 28 November 2012 13: 10
                  +3
                  . Go get a free lawyer whom the state guarantees and immediately understand what the legal system is in Russia. There is no money and connections - you’ll sit if you don’t get on the Internet.

                  Alexander, you are exaggerating, for this purpose rifle associations will be created that will teach you how to use a firearm and, in which case, will provide you with legal support and a good lawyer. For some reason, this works in the USA, but we won’t have it, do not forget that almost all US residents at least once visited a psychologist or drank antidepressants. Why didn’t they kill each other, although only grenade launchers can’t be bought there, and everything else is possible, in Texas you can even carry an assault rifle with you.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 15: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Joker
                    For some reason, it works in the USA.

                    Oleg, but have you heard about mass executions in the USA, or do you think this will not happen with us?
                    Quote: Joker
                    almost all US residents at least once visited a psychologist or drank antidepressants

                    So they turned into downs. They drink these wheels to such an extent that they vomit at their own weddings. I never drank such garbage and I can’t go to a psychoanalyst.
                    Quote: Joker
                    Why didn’t they kill each other,

                    How many weapons are used inappropriately in the USA and how many more massacres are taking place there? How many managed to prevent such killings when a bunch of weapons are on hand?
                    1. Joker
                      Joker 28 November 2012 15: 50
                      +2
                      So they turned into downs. They drink these wheels to such an extent that they vomit at their own weddings. I never drank such garbage and I can’t go to a psychoanalyst

                      So that's why I wrote laughing not because we also need wink this is all to the fact that we are not so unbalanced, there are amers through one psycho.
                      How many weapons are used inappropriately in the USA and how many more massacres are taking place there? How many managed to prevent such killings when a bunch of weapons are on hand?

                      Unfortunately, I can’t provide statistics, but the fact remains that in the USA in private houses there are no metal doors and many do not lock them at all, is it possible with us?
  8. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 28 November 2012 07: 57
    +1
    I understand that the article is not about this, but from the incident described above, I do not understand - why did they decide that it was two hot brothers in a Mercedes who ran into the driver of a silver foreign car? Where are the conclusions, or maybe everything was the other way around.
    If only because of the prefix "hot mountaineers" then imagine that the driver of the silver foreign car was not Evstigney Kapitonovich, but what kind of realties Bolderbay Babayevich, your opinion will change, which of them had the right to use weapons.
    It seems to me (I crossed myself) that it all smacks of inciting ethnic hatred, coupled with the propaganda of the legalization of firearms.
    1. Igor
      Igor 28 November 2012 08: 03
      0
      Judging by the fact that they first took out the guns and started firing, this means that they could not prove their case and decided to fix it with a gun.

      Quote: Milafon
      If only because of the prefix "hot mountaineers" then imagine that the driver of the silver foreign car was not Evstigney Kapitonovich, but what kind of realties Bolderbay Babayevich, your opinion will change, which of them had the right to use weapons.


      And it doesn’t matter who was sitting there, even if Bush is the youngest.
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone 28 November 2012 08: 33
        +2
        It is not known who and why, when he got out and when he started firing and how many people were present.
        But this is not the point!
        The main thing is that recently, someone is trying to poison and distribute weapons to everyone in Russia.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 47
          +2
          We didn't see who got what and when! They just shoved a picture under our nose - maybe it was generally a "purely boy showdown" ...
        2. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2012 16: 28
          0
          Who in Rostov-on-Don is trying to incite someone against the Armenians! ?? When they themselves act as masters of life! ??? They leave their country as guests and behave as masters !!! Local no peace.
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 09: 15
        +2
        Quote: Igorek
        And it doesn’t matter who was sitting there, even if Bush is the youngest.


        And by the way, yes! If ours (we know who walks with our weapons) - rightly so, if they - too. The man showed a certain restraint: 14 shots are good nerves, in such a situation I would have fired back after 3-4. The fact that one armed boor has not died is a plus. But the way he died evokes thoughts that the opponent with the PM was at least one field of the berry with them ...
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 45
      0
      It is very similar to this, and it pretends to be from some kind of womanish spirit ...
    3. Atlon
      28 November 2012 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: Milafon
      I understand that the article is not about this, but from the incident described above, I do not understand - why did they decide that it was two hot brothers in a Mercedes who ran into the driver of a silver foreign car? Where are the conclusions, or maybe everything was the other way around.

      Of course! Here is how it was:
      The Sargsyan brothers were driving in a modest Mercedes, from a work shift ... They were caught up by some inadequate, cut off, forced to stop. He got out of the car, began to make a row. The Sargsyans tried to calm him down, to have a good talk. But he did not let up, took out a bat ... Then he shouted: "Ary, I am your mother ....." Then he took out a pistol. The brothers began to shoot back ... But he killed one and left ...

      The strangest thing in this story is that the survivor does not deny that they started shooting with his brother and not a stranger. And in general, the article is not for ethnic hatred, do not invent what is not!
  9. Fox
    Fox 28 November 2012 08: 07
    +10
    THE AUTHOR VERY FLATLY THINKS ... I. just as an opera, I consider situations: go to the bathroom with a trunk too? does we need a POLICE which is kept for citizens' taxes and cannot nichrome? one of two things: either do not pay taxes and protect ourselves, or to whom the money is paid, you have to do your own thing !
    1. Igor
      Igor 28 November 2012 08: 20
      +2
      Quote: Fox
      go to the bathroom with the trunk too?


      It depends on which trunk laughing
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 08: 58
        -2
        Quote: Fox
        nah we need a police which is contained in the taxes of citizens and nichrome can not?


        On this point, I completely agree with you. The police, in the form in which it is now, is absolutely unnecessary. The carried out "reform" finished off what was left of the old legacy, and what remained ... cannot be called a law enforcement body.

        I was "lucky" to talk to the police about the theft of my car. To be honest: the second time I will not go there for any price. I believed that the police are OBLIGED to stand guard over my interests, since I really pay taxes, from which they receive a decent salary. I was dreaming ... Okay, I won't continue, that's not the topic.

        In this country, you cannot have weapons in free use. From my point of view, this is due to the following factors:

        1. There is no culture of handling weapons. Moreover, historically.
        2. There is no culture of communication in people. It is a fact. And those boorish bazaars that are now ending with shooting from trauma will end with shooting from a gunshot.
        3. There is no legislative framework for application.
        4. There is a lack of proper training. Who is arming? okay, Caucasians, it's a separate conversation with them. In a country where it is allowed to buy the same injuries to those who have not served in the army, they do not have the proper awareness of the use of weapons ... Eh ... I will digress for one more personal example: in November last year I had the honor to participate in a "clash" with the use of trauma during the election campaign. It was the wretched show I've ever done. The boy (18-20 years old) had no idea where his weapon could send a bullet. He and his associates were distributing an officially banned publication, and we tracked him down and decided to press lightly. And he started firing without waiting. Meters that way from 25-30. Well, the place where they parked their car was uncrowded, on the edge of the village. It was necessary to worry about random strangers. To be honest, we were not angels, and in response from Umareksovskaya pneumatics they beat him the paint on the car.
        If it was a battle, it’s as if it’s lit up in some house. One hell wouldn’t get into us, but he could do some business. And so it is also possible ???

        5. One hundred percent impotence of Pont-cops. They will not be able to properly control the situation. Plus also corruption.

        Bottom line: in this country, the population can not have weapons. Better to endure yet another drunken psycho from the police, and hope that he will carry it, than to constantly live in fear that behind a sidelong glance or a misunderstood phrase, or simply because of personal dissatisfaction, to get a real bullet from another representative of the "golden top". they will arm themselves first, they have something to fear.
        1. DERWISH
          DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 03
          +6
          It’s better to tolerate the next drunken psycho who has fallen from the police. INTERESTINGLY, DO YOU DISCUSS ????? but nothing that he put a bunch of people ??? But how would you talk if God forbid, among the dead were your children a mother or a father? I doubt very much !!! I’ve always had Makarov with me when I was 90, I drove cars from Togliatti honestly 2 times if it weren’t for the trunk — would my children be orphans and furthermore in America there are no scumbags and drug addicts who have weapons for earning? however, adequate citizens have the right to lag behind and protect their family at the proper level and not by some kind of unfinished self-propelled gun, such as traumatism, which is much more reminiscent of a scarecrow and not a weapon at all, I had the opportunity to talk on equal terms with frostbite, though illegally !!! and I HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIFE AND LIFE OF MY FAMILY AND CLOSE !!! and I have the right to stay alive as in the case of a drunken psycho AND LOSE SUCH ANOTHER BREIVIK to protect decent and ordinary people and to talk even better when everything is calm and this mess doesn’t concern you! TRUTH ????
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 17
            0
            Quote: DERWISH
            DERWISH

            Is someone threatening you or have you just decided to give an example? So there will be much more drunken breiviks with trunks flashing themselves out of themselves.
            1. DERWISH
              DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 32
              +4
              I’m respected, in spite of your rank, I’ll let you say that I didn’t say or hint that someone is threatening me because in real life it’s hard to do and the Breivik could kill almost a hundred people calmly, but if they had something to answer AAAAA ?? ??? Rimbo they are if they are given the opportunity to be !!!! right ???
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 15: 21
                -1
                Quote: DERWISH
                Breivik could kill almost a hundred people calmly, and could if they had something to answer

                There were children on the island, you also offer to arm children. How many such breiviks live in Russia and where is the guarantee that we will not have such cases?
                Quote: DERWISH
                I respected, in spite of your rank, I will let you notice

                This is not a title, but a rating and no more.
            2. zevs379
              zevs379 28 November 2012 15: 09
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Is someone threatening you or have you just decided to give an example? So there will be much more drunken breiviks with trunks flashing themselves out of themselves.


              Well, how should one disrespect his people in order to prohibit him from defending himself? angry
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 15: 23
                0
                Quote: zevs379
                Well, how should one disrespect his people in order to prohibit him from defending himself?

                I respect my people and love my country, but the state should respect people, and not make the elect. Do you even understand that such articles come from the lobbies of gunsmiths. They do not care about your lives and people, they need a profit. Then you yourself will yell, what kind of banana Caucasians armed.
                1. Roman Skomorokhov
                  Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 25
                  -1
                  Yeah, trauma to buy such a cheap deal ... A firearm will be much more expensive. As those armed with order and conscience and money have armed themselves, they will.
              2. Roman Skomorokhov
                Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 24
                0
                Yes, do not take away the opportunity to defend, and not give a kill to fuck each other! You read the bulletins, how many people are killed in the household, without a gun! They are dispensed with kitchen knives, bottles and other items!
          2. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 22
            +1
            I reason quite reasonably. Around the life of rudeness is higher than the roof, and you offer this rudeness to also arm ... It's funny.

            You have the right to life. But where did you get the idea that you have the right to kill another person? Whatever shit he was? A license to carry is one thing, and the right to kill is another. That's just against those loud-voiced, I speak, yes. Give you the opportunity to shoot - and you will do it without really thinking, hiding behind words about personal safety and other things. You can’t arms, you can’t agree with each other in life, and give the trunks - arrange a minus demographic.

            And you have a PM, excuse me, where did you come from? With permission? wink
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 28 November 2012 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: Banshee
              You have the right to life. But where did you get the idea that you have the right to kill another person? Whatever shit he was? A license to carry is one thing, and the right to kill is another.

              I agree, if you carefully read, then all the cries about the need to own weapons ultimately come down to one thing: if I had a barrel, then I would shoot all the bad guys, I'm good, I can save the world. So my opinion is for those who express such thoughts not only to give weapons, they must be beaten with a heavy stick so that playful little hands do not reach for the weapon or on the head, so that such thoughts are not born in it.
        2. Waroc
          Waroc 28 November 2012 10: 10
          +1
          Until 1917, there was a free sale of weapons in Russia - at least buy a gun, the nuts were gradually tightened after the revolution. So what about "historically" - sorry, but wrong.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 17
            0
            Quote: Waroc
            Until 1917, there was a free sale of weapons in Russia - buy at least a gun, the nuts began to tighten gradually after the revolution.

            And in the end, this led to a revolution.
            1. Waroc
              Waroc 28 November 2012 11: 27
              0
              And the day before yesterday, a red cat ran across my path, which means exactly at 19:37 Moscow time today in Papua New Guinea a toothache will occur in the leader of the Tumba-Yumba tribe. And which, in my opinion, is also logical, the causal chain can be seen as clearly as in your comment.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 15: 24
                +1
                Quote: Waroc
                , the causal chain is viewed as clearly as in your comment.

                You emphasized this chain in your comment yourself. Perhaps not wanting it hi
            2. SASCHAmIXEEW
              SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 15: 16
              -1
              NOT TRUE! THE JUDASIONISTS WHICH THE KING RELEASED FROM UZDA MADE A REVOLUTION. I EXAMPLE FOR ALL JEWS IN THE CHAPTER MENDEL TO SEND TO ISRAEL
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 29 November 2012 07: 40
            +1
            Quote: Waroc
            Until 1917, Russia had a free sale of weapons - buy at least a gun
            Until the 1917 of the year, there was a monarchy in Russia, and you are mistaken in claiming that directly everyone could have weapons. Not one peasant did not have a revolver, and even bourgeois not everyone could afford it, and not all nobles had it. Let’s recall the samurai with their swords, but, it’s not a sword that makes a samurai from a peasant, but a spirit of spirit and a warrior’s philosophy. If you equip a crowd of cowards, they will only be an armed crowd of cowards, which is even more dangerous than criminals. Today, such a cowboy requires a gun, when there will be a machine gun on his gun, he will explain his failure by the absence of a machine gun. Everyone dreams of taking unarmed gopniks to flight, none of those who advocate weapons think about an unexpected attack and about a battle with a better armed and prepared enemy.
        3. Strashila
          Strashila 28 November 2012 10: 29
          +1
          Everything that you listed from point 1 to point 4 respected to a greater extent applies to those in paragraph 5. Because they have legal weapons ... but to sense.
        4. Joker
          Joker 28 November 2012 13: 20
          +2
          fox, banshee

          Even the best police cannot teleport to you in a second while they are killing you. The police are not ubiquitous, even in the United States, where it’s impossible to keep track of the cameras on every corner, which is why they were given the right to carry and use a firearm in situations where the police cannot provide timely assistance. If it is possible to call the police, then they call it; there is no such possibility, they sort it out themselves. Imagine what kind of police staff is needed to monitor every house and every street and passage; on the contrary, we are cutting it now. Lys, tell me, as an opera, did your department have enough time to properly analyze each statement and carry out all the necessary operational investigative measures?
        5. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 15: 09
          0
          YES YOU ARE NOT RUSSIAN AND DO NOT LIVE IN RUSSIA! LET US SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS FOR YOURSELF, WE ALREADY HAVE AGREED BY YOURSELF! TO HAVE OR DO NOT HAVE
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 28 November 2012 10: 22
      +2
      Fox
      Quote: Fox
      I am. just like opera

      I, like an opera - an opera ...

      Quote: Fox
      nah we need a police which is contained in the taxes of citizens and nichrome can not?
      I agree. Funny huh?

      Here's a recent episode on TV. Cars, going around the "traffic jam", go along the sidewalk. People huddle up to the houses, they honk (!). The guys from Stop Ham! stood in the way of the impudent. As a result, there were very dissatisfied Witers. Squabbles, insults, swearing, desire (swings) to "kick in the face", threats, etc.
      Question: where are the traffic police officers? This section of the sidewalk has been "chosen" by hurrying MUdils for a long time, I am sure the policemen know about it.
      Why are the citizens themselves, represented by "Stop ham!" must defend (exactly defend!) their (our) interests. Why??? Or again, many will say - start with yourself, make a remark, block the road. Elementary - I don't want to be disabled ...
      Now another question. And how to qualify, such actions of the Teachers. It is clear that according to traffic rules. But it is possible according to Article 20.1 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation (petty hooliganism). There are more than enough signs. Sanction - up to 15 days. THIS why no one is doing?
      We only have to regret that "simple hooliganism" was decriminalized in Article 213 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, sorry. At all 100% Muddits there "fit".

      So LIS You are right.
      Maybe for our "Humane-Genial" leadership I can solve such issues ... Well, like, start with yourself. So soon and so we will be as you wrote
      Quote: Fox
      do not pay taxes, and protect ourselves,


      And with regard to weapons ... Neither - "YES", nor - "NO".
      Or, and - "YES", and - "NO".
      It’s hard for me to decide.
    3. sniper
      sniper 28 November 2012 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: Fox
      , or to whom the money is paid should be engaged in their own business!

      I completely agree with you ... Must! But he’s not involved ... I can’t change this, but I can manage to stand up for myself ...
    4. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 15: 03
      0
      THE PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU, WHEN UNDER THE KOMUNYAK, BELIEVE MORE BELIEVES! Though and then the ghouls were! And what is it that you are so afraid of the people to arm, the outrages will end?
  10. Igarr
    Igarr 28 November 2012 08: 26
    +4
    In fact, he was always against it.
    At least until recent recent events.
    And also "killed" a note by Roman (Banshee), where some kid with an injury equated them - "Cattle, calm down."
    It is time.
    It's time to legalize weapons. Namely - a firearm.
    And remove all injuries and pneumatics. And the whole lengthy - with him, and so everything is clear.
    ...
    From edged weapons, from the same kitchen knife - the kayuk will come GUARANTEED than from a bullet wound.
    Therefore, it is possible to prescribe in the law - wounds on the extremities that are not related to injury - are not punishable.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 28 November 2012 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      It's time to legalize weapons. Namely - a firearm.

      And for one issue a license to kill. Do you want that?
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Ustas
        And for one issue a license to kill. Do you want that?

        With the purchase of a car, do you get a license to kill?

        Remember the wild case in Moscow when a drug addict with a knife cut a bunch of people because they didn’t give him something at the pharmacy. If citizens had trunks, it would hardly have happened ...
        1. Ustas
          Ustas 28 November 2012 11: 54
          +1
          Quote: Atlon
          With the purchase of a car, do you get a license to kill?

          Do not breed demagoguery. And do not compare objects with different properties. A car is a vehicle; a pistol was originally created as a weapon of murder.
          Following your logic, we will quickly get to pens and handkerchiefs, because they can also be killed with them, only they are created for another.
          1. Atlon
            28 November 2012 12: 15
            +5
            Quote: Ustas
            Following your logic, we will quickly get to pens and handkerchiefs, because they can also be killed with them, only they are created for another.

            No, it’s following your logic that we will soon come to the prohibition of everything and everything ... Nuclear weapons are also created for killing, and massive. However, it was applied only once, and then because the application was not afraid of an adequate answer! How long would the amers think about its use if it were ONLY with them? How would it be easier for them to live, huh? And now the same situation with scumbags and bandits of all stripes. They then know that the citizen does not answer, and that's it.
            1. Ustas
              Ustas 28 November 2012 12: 30
              +1
              Pavel, you did not convince me.
              Quote: Atlon
              They then know that the citizen does not answer, and that's it.

              The bandit has no brains, the gun thinks for him.
              You look western. After all, whoever pulls the revolver out of its holster faster is right. I am afraid that a law-abiding citizen with a permitted short-barrel will simply not have time to respond.
              1. Atlon
                28 November 2012 12: 41
                +6
                Quote: Ustas
                The bandit has no brains, the gun thinks for him. You look westerns. After all, whoever pulls the revolver out of its holster faster is right. I am afraid that a law-abiding citizen with a permitted short-barrel will simply not have time to respond.

                Complete nonsense!
                The gun does not know how to think. And it’s not a weapon that shoots, but a man, this is a well-known truth.
                As for the westerns ... In his youth he was seriously interested in Westerns, not just cinema, but real, book ones. So (if you don’t know), they didn’t shoot at the wild west without getting into it! There was a code of laws and a code of honor. And before you shoot, the person THINKED. Otherwise, it was possible to please the gallows. And quickly so, without investigation and special court there ... So you do not need about Westerns, if you do not know.
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 29 November 2012 08: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: Atlon
                  Complete nonsense!
                  Categorization, which is like a shot ... I remember the film "The Diamond Arm", - where the thug asks Semyon Semyonitch, - Daddy, there is no light? ,,, What, deaf and dumb? The situation, what would you do, right behind the barrel? You remembered about cars here, so it's more difficult for her to kill, just as you can't strangle the whole department at work with a pillow. The death penalty has been abolished in our country, and the purpose of military weapons is the same - the murder of a person, in our case, without trial or investigation, for personal perception. Even sporting and hunting weapons, by definition, are not meant to kill people. I agree with Ustas, the legalization of military weapons is the legalization of the right to kill. I am not a pacifist, as it may seem to you, I served in the army, was engaged in sports pistol shooting, in general I love weapons, but I have a negative attitude to the topic of legalization. Unfortunately, the decision will be made by the lobby, which will sell their mother's mother for a cool fat, not only our country, they do not care about the duties of the state and our true security, health care and education.
              2. Joker
                Joker 28 November 2012 13: 34
                +5
                And where do not law-abiding trunks come from? Here we came to the conclusion that the criminal, even now, can have a firearm illegal, but there is no law-abiding one. So today’s picture emerges, when everything is almost completely armed, and the normal citizen has nothing to repulse.
            2. Joker
              Joker 28 November 2012 13: 30
              +3
              Nuclear weapons are also designed to kill, and mass. However, it was applied only once, and then because the application was not afraid of an adequate answer!

              For such a comment, just BRAVO! good indeed, why does no one consider nuclear weapons as an example, why does the United States not attack countries with nuclear weapons? Yes, because it is afraid of an adequate answer, and for those who do not have nuclear weapons, it constantly mutuses. Why, if we Russians are such stupid people who give me a gun and we shoot each other, didn’t launch a nuclear missile in Georgia in 2008? Maybe because they realized responsibility? So with a firearm. If Syria, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq had nuclear weapons, the hell would the Americans get there, fearing that missiles would fly in their direction. Here is a real example for you, where the USA acts as a bandit.
      2. Whole
        Whole 28 November 2012 14: 40
        +1
        It doesn’t kill weapons; people kill
      3. sniper
        sniper 28 November 2012 15: 26
        +3
        Quote: Ustas
        And for one issue a license to kill. Do you want that?

        But the legal trunk, in that, differs from the left one, in that you shoot your business card ... So you’ll think a few times before using weapons ... And even without changing laws and creating serious shooting clubs, all this is pointless ... So the trunk is not so terrible as it is painted ...
        1. Atlon
          28 November 2012 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: sniper
          And even without changing laws and creating serious shooting clubs, all this is pointless ... So the trunk is not as terrible as it is painted.

          Of course! Laws need to be changed, definitely. And about the clubs ... Nothing needs to be created. Such associations of citizens are organized according to their interests. As an example, auto clubs, motorcycle clubs, bicycle clubs, hunting clubs and many others.
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 49
      +1
      Well, you will achieve that the kid will be with a combat barrel, will bang you calmly and then it turns out that it was he who acted in the state of necessary defense - or do you doubt the current situation?
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 28 November 2012 09: 34
        +3
        About someone ... the alignment will show.
        And it will crash - ALL problems will be removed. At once.
        Well, about ... the current situation - how it all began ... The law should be the same for everyone.
        Beautiful, of course.
        ...
        But, ".. with a kind word and a revolver, you can achieve more than just a kind word."
        And, faster, the main thing.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 01
          +3
          Quote: Igarr
          And it will crash - ALL problems will be removed. At once.

          For the corpse, all problems will be in the past, but for the survivor, all problems are ahead.
      2. DERWISH
        DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 15
        +1
        really nonsense !!! the kid will get laid when the rebuff gets
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 31
          -1
          Yes, it’ll do it.
          Only here is another aspect: yes, livestock with injuries or illegal firearms often DEMONSTRATE it as their argument. And knowing that a citizen climbed behind his trunk (I hope it’s not worth explaining that the attacker alone will have an advantage, and citizens are unlikely to go showing off their weapons) will shoot first. Bonus also get a spare barrel ...
          1. Atlon
            29 November 2012 16: 25
            -1
            Quote: Banshee
            Yes, livestock with injuries or illegal firearms often DEMONSTRATE it as their argument. And knowing that a citizen climbed behind his barrel (I hope it’s not worth explaining that the attacker alone will have an advantage, and that citizens are unlikely to go showing off their weapons) will shoot first. Bonus also get a spare barrel ...

            Listen to you, so some killers walk the streets ... Everybody is a gopnik, they want to kill you. ALL. And no one is afraid of prison ... But everything is simpler. It’s one thing to squeeze the phone or mock, and another thing to go to jail or get a bullet. Even if he gets the first one, and he will rob, well, give it back! Why get your trunk? However, I do not think that EVERYONE who comes to rob you after seeing the trunk will begin to kill you. This is doubtful ...
            On the road, they once showed me the trunk through the window ... So what? I don’t know the injury, combat or plastic, you won’t understand right away. If I showed in response, he would kill me? :) I think if at least some (not cool) trunks are used and no one pokes a trunk at a window. Or maybe I’m just inadequate? I'm scared and shoot the moron!
  11. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 08: 39
    +7
    1. BAN ANY TRAFFIC! People are too irresponsible to use it.
    2. DO NOT Pneumatics! For the same reason.
    3. AUTHORIZE SHORT-SHIPPED WEAPONS FOR WEARING
    By and large, on the side of the author, only a change in the article on self-defense is necessary. Now the attacking criminal has legislatively MORE RIGHTS and FREEDOM than defending himself !. The trial of R. Mirzaev and other similar courts fully proved my case that the bastard is legally protected and, in the event of self-defense, automatically becomes a victim. It is unacceptable. Against the legalization of pistols are those who already have them!
    Crime, if the population has legal pistols and with a change in legislation, will actually decrease significantly.
    The state cannot provide every citizen of the Russian Federation with a "bodyguard" in the form of a policeman, and talk that the police should protect citizens is demagoguery. The police serve to search for criminals, and if you are robbed, maimed, killed, YOU WILL ALREADY WILL HOW THE CRIMINAL WILL BE PUNISHED
    1. DERWISH
      DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 12
      +8
      I support! for a conversation with lawlessness should be adequate and not the side of a rabbit of trembling and meek citizens, when you stop crying !!! you need to direct the lock and your participation, because our authorities do not care! and you dear ++++
    2. Atlon
      28 November 2012 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      Now the attacking criminal has legislatively MORE RIGHTS and FREEDOM than defending himself!

      Not quite so ... The one who suffered more ... But I think many will agree that it is better with a term in a colony than with a bullet in the ground. Although without a new law on defense (I’m not writing itselfdefense, because initially nonsense!), permission to wear about anything. Nobody will shoot. This is a beautiful metaphor about "term in a colony" and "a bullet in the ground" nothing more. The overwhelming majority of NORMAL people do not want to go to jail.
  12. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 08: 40
    -1
    Prohibit any injury - I agree!
    Prohibit pneumatics - I agree, but only like a military weapon ...
    Allow short barrels to be worn - by no means!
    Allow long barrel for storage - only to hunters, active members of hunting societies and under the most severe control!
    To forbid to carry knives - to all without exception ...
    To disperse chop - completely ...
    1. Igor
      Igor 28 November 2012 08: 47
      +2
      7 see Paris and die laughing
    2. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 28 November 2012 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      To disperse chop - completely ...

      What are you, and then what to do with this whole fraternity - we already have unemployment, for some reason!
      To the hunchback, these gentlemen are inclined to contemplate whether they will lie.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 09: 00
        +3
        Never mind, let them oust Gaster from their "enviable" places, otherwise, they say, they earn a lot! So two things will be done at once - and there are fewer legalized bandits, and the wrong suit of characters that are an eyesore to many ...
    3. DERWISH
      DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 13
      +1
      and you apparently from the authorities and not from the people smile
    4. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      To forbid to carry knives - to all without exception.

      In addition to the knife, there are many ways of self-defense, for example a string bag with a tin can - not one prosecutor will prove that this is a very effective weapon. The conversation is not about weapons, but a legal pistol and its use as self-defense without criminal prosecution
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 28 November 2012 10: 34
        +3
        That's it, about the string bag ..
        Some time ago ... specially wore a watch on a chain. Weighty such.
        "Live" I imagined how this little thing breaks the temple.
        And this is guaranteed death.
        And this is a full term. Because few people can imagine - how deadly a weapon is. Just think, the man is waving "boilers", we will select. It turns out - pure water - an attack, unprovoked. For the law. (A brush ... here you can screw up with a ballpoint pen in an instant. With a toothpick ..)
        So maybe ... more clearly - Magnum 45 .. demonstrate?
    5. zevs379
      zevs379 28 November 2012 15: 13
      -1
      Here at home and forbid. Stay the sheep.
    6. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 4 December 2012 11: 39
      0
      I am surprised to tell you sarych - according to comments on other articles - a competent and far from stupid person - here you’re full of nonsense (to disperse private security companies, my father doesn’t disentangle the wave of thefts when removing security services from the market) to allow only long trunks and only to hunters - another heresy - have you ever flipped through statistics about the use of hunting weapons in domestic crimes - I never feel it. My personal opinion is to have short-range weapons in the population’s possession (only store the first 5 years (for home defense) wire to conduct checks by district police officers and authorization in case of the slightest violations, to deprive the license for life, when after 5 years a person proves his ability to handle weapons to allow wearing
  13. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 28 November 2012 08: 49
    -1
    Again Latvians, again Estonians ... Again recalls the slaves ... Again all the same arguments ... The constant wearing of weapons will not make a slave a normal person and will not change his essence ... A life slave acquires weapons and acquires weapons and the ambitions that prompt him to bypass the concept of a normal person, while acquiring the habits of a superman and a master ... Breivik and Vinogradov are a visual aid to this phenomenon ... I love weapons of all kinds, but strongly against his constant wear ... Maybe because that it was with me all ife ....
    1. Atlon
      28 November 2012 11: 17
      +11
      Quote: Gorchakov
      A life slave, having acquired a weapon, at the same time acquires ambitions that encourage him to bypass the concept of a normal person, while acquiring the habits of a superman and a master ... Breivik and Vinogradov are a visual aid to this phenomenon ... I love weapons of all kinds, but categorically against his constant wear ... Maybe because it has been with me all my life ....

      Have you heard about natural selection? Cynically? Probably ... But right! There is no stupidity in nature, as in human society.
      About grapes. He would have killed many if there were guns at the men in the office? But the guy who rushed at him with his bare hands died (!) But helped stop him. And this is an unnatural selection. The best are dying. Who does not pass by. Only the sheep remain! And they will cut us, because we allow it ourselves. Ah Caucasians will arm themselves! ah ah! Yes, they are already armed! And they’re not afraid of you, because you have nothing to defend! And if it will be possible to receive a bullet in response, the owners of life will think about it. And again, the conversation is not about distributing trunks in the streets! And the fact that the ADEQUATE, law-abiding citizen, subject to certain conditions, MUST have the RIGHT to arms. And nothing more!
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 28 November 2012 12: 06
        -1
        Quote: Atlon
        And if it will be possible to receive a bullet in response, the owners of life will think about it.

        And if you don’t think about it?
        And if he had a roof blown away?
        I do not argue, if everyone has a weapon, then they can stop this faster.
        But he, too, will have time to take away someone’s life.

        I’ve remembered the USSR, then there were several times less of those inadequate with a gun. Although what is there at times, only a few. BUT!!!! Then there was the death penalty, the so-called. the highest measure. And so I think, if you cancel the moratorium on the one, and there is no need for a weapon, the response to the killer will not take long.
        1. Atlon
          28 November 2012 12: 23
          +2
          Quote: Ustas
          And if you don’t think about it?

          Do not hesitate - die! there and the road.
          Quote: Ustas
          And if he had a roof demolished? I do not argue, if everyone has weapons, then they can stop this faster. But he, too, will have time to take away someone’s life.

          Well, where is the logic? That is, if the citizens have a weapon: "He, too, will have time to take someone's life.", And if he does not, he will not have time or what ??? Yes, even more will deprive!
          Quote: Ustas
          I’ve remembered the USSR, then there were several times less of those inadequate with a gun. Although what is there at times, only a few. BUT!!!! Then there was the death penalty, the so-called. the highest measure. And so I think, if you cancel the moratorium on the one, and there is no need for a weapon, the response to the killer will not take long.

          Come on! The death penalty, not a panacea. In China, they executed, and what less bribe takers or drug dealers have become? And then, the death penalty is good when it is inevitable, and not like now, when any money bag can pay off. Moreover, they will shift the blame and execute not him, but you! laughing
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 28 November 2012 12: 51
            -2
            Quote: Atlon
            Come on! The death penalty, not a panacea.

            But what about your words from the previous post?
            And before you shoot, the person THINKED. Otherwise, it was possible to please the gallows.
            1. Atlon
              28 November 2012 13: 44
              +2
              Quote: Ustas
              Quote: Atlon The death penalty, not a panacea. But what about your words from the previous post? And before you shoot, the person THINKED. Otherwise, it was possible to please the gallows.

              And then remember? Without investigation and special court. And to buy this court was difficult (read - impossible), because it consisted of the same cowboys and local ranchers. And the sheriffs were elected, and hung without talking. Or just shot like wild jackals. The inevitability of punishment - that’s the panacea, and not the severity of it ...
              1. Ustas
                Ustas 28 November 2012 13: 56
                0
                Quote: Atlon
                The inevitability of punishment is the panacea

                Here I am about the same.
                BUT.
                Everyone who picks up a weapon gives himself the right to judge life.
                Maybe better the inevitability of punishment in a civilized way?
                1. vadimN
                  vadimN 28 November 2012 14: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Ustas
                  Everyone who picks up a weapon gives himself the right to judge life.


                  Not this way! Every rational person who takes arms in his hands gives himself the right not to be a sheep and to protect his life and the life of his relatives at a critical moment.

                  In the meantime, we all have the right to lie quietly and wait until the police arrive to examine your corpse and think whether it can ensure the inevitability of punishment for the criminal who killed you.
                2. Atlon
                  28 November 2012 16: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Ustas
                  BUT. Everyone who picks up a weapon gives himself the right to make a judgment on life. Perhaps the inevitability of punishment in a civilized way is better?

                  It's better! 100 times better! Thousand !!!! But...
                  What are we arguing about? Do we have the inevitability of punishment? Do we have one law for everyone? No? So why mention it then? I WANT this no less than yours, but this is not! What am I supposed to do? Accept? "Yes, this cup blows me" (C) so what? And if the weapon gives you the right (in your opinion) to "judge life" then only over YOUR life! For it gives you the right to choose: live or die ?! Or sit down (if misused).
    2. vadimN
      vadimN 28 November 2012 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: Gorchakov
      The constant wearing of weapons will not make a normal person out of a slave and will not change his essence ...


      Respected! Judging by your phrase, you still consider your compatriots to be slaves .... ???? I do not consider myself as such! I hope a huge mass of Russian people - too.
  14. I-16M
    I-16M 28 November 2012 09: 04
    +4
    The argument is stupid. Citizens need weapons, no need ....
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs should work, then weapons will not be needed. No weapon will help until the state begins to restore order in our criminal reserve.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      The state cannot provide every citizen of the Russian Federation with a "bodyguard" in the form of a policeman, and talk about the fact that the police should protect citizens is demagoguery.
      1. I-16M
        I-16M 28 November 2012 13: 59
        0
        And fuck ... then she is needed, this police? Sorry for my french hi
    2. Atlon
      28 November 2012 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: I-16M
      The Ministry of Internal Affairs should work, then weapons will not be needed.

      You know ... Not an argument! We already know who should what. The argument would be: "The Interior Ministry is working, the bandits are sitting, it's safe on the streets!" Do you want to shoot? Go to the shooting range, shoot from the air!
      1. I-16M
        I-16M 28 November 2012 13: 56
        0
        The bottom line is that civilian weapons will not solve the problems of the state and society.
  15. virm
    virm 28 November 2012 09: 12
    +1
    Deport all Caucasians to the Caucasus. And the problem will disappear. We must fight the cause. And do not look for a solution in a deliberately wrong situation. Caucasians have no place in Russian cities and villages.

    "I love the Caucasus, but I despise those who live there. Nowhere in the world are there such barbaric customs and such ugly people as Caucasians. If we do not exterminate them, this filth will soon be in our cities." M.Yu. Lermontov ...

    Nothing has changed in 150 years. Only now they are already in our cities.
    1. Atlon
      28 November 2012 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: virm
      To deport all Caucasians to the Caucasus. And the problem will disappear. We must fight the cause. Instead of looking for a solution in a knowingly wrong situation. Caucasians have no place in Russian cities and villages. "I love the Caucasus, but I despise those who live there. Nowhere in the world are there such barbaric customs and ugly people as Caucasians. If we do not exterminate them, this dirt will soon be in our cities . " M.Yu. Lermontov ...

      Do you know that you are currently violating the laws of the Russian Federation?
    2. Lakkuchu
      Lakkuchu 28 November 2012 22: 46
      +1
      Farewell, unwashed Russia,
      The country of slaves, the country of lords ...
      this is also Lermontov
  16. bddrus
    bddrus 28 November 2012 09: 15
    +3
    For example, I liked this argument on this topic: (approximately)
    "Now to get a pistol - you need to attack a policeman, a soldier (trained people), a guarded warehouse, etc., and if everyone is allowed, then the criminal will have fewer problems getting a weapon"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 09: 37
      +2
      Quote: bddrus
      Now get a gun - you have to attack a policeman, a military man (trained people), a secure warehouse, etc.

      And that all arms dealers have already been caught belay
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 29 November 2012 07: 34
        +1
        those who attack a policeman in order to seize the service weapon hardly think so belay
    2. DERWISH
      DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 23
      +1
      yeah and go to the warehouse by car with the numbers issued for you and show your passport at the entrance to the trunk then REGISTER !!!!! who will trample on him with a crime ??? AAAA !!! PEOPLE a machine is a thousand times more dangerous than any machine gun and frost on cars kill people more
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 November 2012 10: 26
        0
        Quote: DERWISH
        !!!!! who will trample on him with a crime then ??

        She wouldn’t follow intentionally, but when drunk, she would easily start firing, and then she would not remember about it.
        Quote: DERWISH
        PEOPLE a machine is a thousand times more dangerous than any machine gun and frost on cars kill people more

        But you didn’t try to drive according to the rules or drink at the wheel. There is no culture of driving and there is no culture of dealing with firearms.
        1. DERWISH
          DERWISH 28 November 2012 10: 43
          +2
          Alexander??? I didn’t please you with something ??? I don’t drink while driving; I have 28 years of driving experience without emergency experience and I follow the rules; I don’t have to advise what to do while driving; I can teach you the laws of driving and where did you get all this from me ??? that I’m not driving the rules and I am drinking and driving !!! YOU WHAT ABOUT ME AT ALL ????? DON'T NEED TO OFFEND ME !!!
          1. Igor
            Igor 28 November 2012 11: 05
            +2
            Quote: DERWISH
            Alexander??? I didn’t please you with something ??? I don’t drink while driving; I have 28 years of driving experience without emergency experience and I follow the rules; I don’t have to advise what to do while driving; I can teach you the laws of driving and where did you get all this from me ???


            And he always does so, not knowing the person already makes conclusions about him, and then says that he determines it by his posts laughing
          2. Joker
            Joker 28 November 2012 13: 40
            0
            Well, I think everything is much simpler, just Alexander, in the word YOU, meant motorists, and not you personally.
        2. vadimN
          vadimN 28 November 2012 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And you didn’t try to ride according to the rules or drink at the wheel.


          Have you tried to comply with the rules for storing weapons and handling them? And what about legislation on weapons and self-defense? Observe it and everything will be OK with you and with your weapons.
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 40
            +2
            Dear, you clearly did not understand Romanov. He had in mind the really occurring fact of the lack of a driving culture. Or rather, rudeness. And, pay attention, a lot of cases of the use of weapons in the process of resolving auto-rudeness. Here is the indicator.

            In general ... There will be no law. Ready to argue for anything. It’s not even a matter of the fact that a Russian can’t be shot at. The thing is different. Why the heck to legitimize the creation of an army of citizens armed with even short-barreled weapons? Where in which case will it be converted? And in whom?

            Put yourself in the shoes of an officer and think.
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 29 November 2012 07: 31
        0
        I do not understand what does the car with numbers and registration of the trunk? I didn’t notice behind the criminals that they stole the weapon and ran to register him
  17. Orik
    Orik 28 November 2012 09: 33
    +6
    And most importantly, before allowing weapons, you must DIRECTLY review the law on self-defense! Returning to the beginning of the article, I just can not agree with the incriminated article for the shooter from a combat pistol. What is this murder ?! Even exceeding the necessary defense measures does not smell! He shot back, after 14 shots!


    The key moment, now a law-abiding and normal man is between two fires in a critical situation. 105 is immediately excited, and then few people want and risk from the investigation, the court to take responsibility in making a decision on innocence. The law on self-defense should encourage a man to protect his neighbor, then the man remains a man, not a member laughing of society.
  18. Gavril
    Gavril 28 November 2012 09: 39
    +4
    "We are not slaves! We are not slaves!" - actually, it is correct so "We are not slaves! Slaves are dumb"
  19. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 09: 43
    0
    Quote: I-16M
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs should work, then weapons will not be needed. No weapon will help until the state begins to restore order in our criminal reserve.

    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    The state cannot provide every citizen of the Russian Federation with a "bodyguard" in the form of a policeman, and talk about the fact that the police should protect citizens is demagoguery. The police serve to search for criminals, and if you are robbed, maimed, killed, YOU WILL ALREADY WILL HOW THE CRIMINAL WILL BE PUNISHED
  20. rennim
    rennim 28 November 2012 09: 50
    +3
    We don’t have to rub rubbish ... we need to forbid any weapon at all ... Today, one idiot was driving from behind and beeping ... like miss ... and this is with the free row on the side ... On the trail. overtaking set me under the oncoming lane. And if he had weapons at all he could arrange shooting. ENOUGH !!! no weapons. We have 40% of people who are mentally unhealthy ... and aggression all around. No special selection will help ... In Russia, you can buy everything .. starting from the rights and ending with a weapons permit. I think the relatives of those six people who were killed by a villain in Moscow agree with me ... TOO LITTLE THOUGHT WE BECOME RELATED TO OUR AND OTHER LIFE !!!
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 10: 02
      +1
      You know, my life and my family's life is for some reason more dear to me than someone else's life of a "thug" and a bandit. So, you are deeply wrong about frivolity. If this "type" assumes you have a legal weapon, maybe he behaved differently? Are you a friend with a gun? Think!
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 10: 41
        +1
        He would not have become more modest, he would have simply fired at the one who "bothers" him on the road ...
        And he would not care at all if you had a barrel or not, he would have shot first ...
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 11: 09
          +1
          Here they are "shot" from an injury, I would be afraid to use a combat one - this is a guaranteed period even if I had not hit, ran away, etc. It’s not traumatic to find the owner - a few hours!
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 42
            0
            Ha, why do you think that scumbag and a bandit are not his life? And he in such a situation does not shy first to defeat?
  21. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 28 November 2012 09: 52
    +1
    The topic of legal pistols rises with enviable regularity!
    The state will not allow citizens to have a legal short-haul. It will not allow it: it is afraid of its citizens and does not trust weapons even to officers, weapons are a symbol of freedom and power, there will be a need to change the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation under the article of self-defense, the main thing is that legal weapons are in their hands in the form of an award even for those who have never served in the power structures of the Russian Federation , but just dumped a bunch of "dough" for him, a weapon from "persons close to the emperor." The state does not give a damn about honest citizens, the bandits always have weapons in their hands!
  22. Cthulhu
    Cthulhu 28 November 2012 10: 22
    +1
    The article is not about anything ... some emotions and facts contradicting each other. Examples in defense of legalization, to put it mildly, are out of topic. I wonder if the short-barreled one would have already been legalized, from what would the brothers have fired 14 shots at the driver of a silver foreign car? Author, have you asked yourself this question? And after that, the driver of a silver foreign car could shoot back? Let's go further. More precisely, let's start from the end. Long-barreled smooth-bore firearms for self-defense, we have been allowed since 1996, this is for information. It is no longer necessary to resolve it, but at the expense of tightening, I agree). Based on this, why does the head of the family from the second example you cite need a revolver (exaggerating)? By virtue of the same Federal Law of 96, he could well have acquired some smooth-bore toy, for example TOZ-108 or 106, I don't remember exactly, before it was called "the death of the chairman" or there is a saiga 410 (I give an example of smooth ones based on compactness) ... But, in your text flashed the word "hunter", so I understand the head of the family was such? (this is not sarcasm, I just don’t know the details of this example, so I’m starting from your text). If it was, then there was something in the house from the weapon, but did not manage to use it. Why then would he have one more permission?
    To summarize, I can say that the arguments presented did not make me an optimist on legalization. The weapon is not a toy, its purpose is to “kill”, and it will shoot both with and without it. And in the second case, much more often. And the weapon does not forgive emotions. Because then, the consequences come. This topic has recently been considered. Here is an excerpt from my post: Each coin has two sides. And in the legalization of meekly barrel weapons, there are also two of them. The question is only in priority, what we need:
    1. Reports as from a period of military operations (a vivid example of UWB), about some kind of crazy half-breed ghoul who staged a massacre at a school, college, institute, etc.
    2. Be sure that your mobile phone will not be taken away from you.
    Only a persuasive request, answer these questions honestly, without emotion.
    Well, about the necessary defense. Che something completely bent). Carefully read Art. 37 of the Criminal Code. Then again. If again something is not clear, we are looking for a plenum of the RF Armed Forces on law enforcement. And then calls have already begun to be heard, to shoot everyone who infiltrated private property. Poor postmen)). Article minus.
    1. Atlon
      28 November 2012 11: 48
      +2
      Quote: Cthulhu
      If it was, then something was in the house from a weapon, but did not have time to use it. Why then does he need another permission?

      You really don’t understand or pretend you don’t understand ?!
      Do you know the rules for storing hunting weapons (and anyone in general)? Discharged, disassembled in a case and in a safe. Well ka, try to apply when attacking! Talk about allowing short-barrel wearing. I can wear it on the street and at home, it's my business! Let me remind you of another case. About 7 years ago, in the Kuban. Armed thugs broke into the house and began to demand money and valuables. A man (hunter) agreed to give out, led them into the bedroom, climbed into the closet ... There was a double-barreled LOADED gun there. Bottom line: two corpses, the third ran away. The man fought back but ... There is a violation of storage rules. A guy, by the way, was acquitted, at one time there was a high-profile case.
      1. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu 28 November 2012 13: 57
        -2
        Unlike you, I understand very well! But you seem not. Well, about the rules for storing weapons annealing to the fullest). Dear, take the trouble to study the materiel before climbing into the china shop. Read to the end and not the title. Do you distinguish between carrots and tomatoes? And what is the difference between storage and transportation. Do not mislead members of the forum. And do not pull it out of context for yourself, even citing transportation rules instead of storage, you will take the trouble to clarify: that an unassembled weapon is structurally subject to it. And regarding storage carefully and spelling paragraph 59 of government decree No. 814 - 1998. But it seems you are so carried away that you are already acting as a legislator and have come up with new rules for storing weapons. Even the Ministry of Internal Affairs surpassed))). An example was not impressed))). Too many puns.
        And by the way, read the article carefully. They raised the issue of long barrels, too). Moreover, its permission is even required. Hmm ... it seems like a recent poll, how do you read the article by title, whether or not thoughtfully, is really relevant.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 28 November 2012 10: 40
    +6
    All discussions about firearms remind one of the groans of doctors about swine and bird flu ... oh, how dangerous they are ... there were just a few hundreds who died of ordinary forms of tens of thousands every year, and tens of millions of times in history. weapons ... oh, a gunshot, but dies less from the cold or vice versa ... that there are few examples when they killed less with a utility knife or ax than with a pistol ... but no one discusses the sale of knives, axes, screwdrivers ... everyone understands full of loonies, and medicine and the police are in prostration. But at the side s resolution there is a downside ... can someone stop the security forces before the arrival of a psycho with a gun or a gun.
  24. Nikolay-
    Nikolay- 28 November 2012 10: 47
    -1
    Who really needs the sale of firearms is their manufacturers. The rest needs order and security. The most armed population in the world in Switzerland. In the same place, most often, a showdown ends in a shootout with a fatal outcome. And this is in a country where, it seems, everyone is full and satisfied. What we are getting into is clear right now. Therefore, we need only complete disarmament and atrocious punishment for carrying weapons.
    1. Atlon
      28 November 2012 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Nikolay-
      The most armed population in the world in Switzerland. In the same place, most often, a showdown ends in a shootout with a fatal outcome. And this is in a country where, it seems, everyone is full and satisfied.

      Do not give a link to the source of information? wink Something I hear nothing about the news about Switzerland ...
  25. wulf66
    wulf66 28 November 2012 11: 31
    +3
    "Slaves differ from free citizens in that they have no right to bear arms." And everything else is from the evil one.
  26. Atlon
    28 November 2012 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: Cthulhu
    1. Reports as from a period of hostilities (a striking example of UWB), about some kind of crazy half-breed ghoul who staged a massacre at a school, college, institute, etc. 2. Be sure that your mobile phone will not be taken away. Only a convincing request, answer these questions honestly, without emotion.

    1. and why did you decide that it will be so? I do not think so. Your examples are just examples of the lack of weapons by citizens, when each "ghoul" can shoot them with impunity. Ghouls, will quickly pass natural selection, and will instantly subside.
    2. My mobile phone will not be taken away from me anyway, and it’s not a pity to take it away.
    He answered honestly, without emotion.
    Then you answer:
    1. Do you rush with your bare hands on the killer (like a guy in the office on Vinogradov) and die protecting others?
    2. Will you get under the table in the hope that the police will arrive before the turn reaches you?
    Honestly, without emotion ...
    1. Cthulhu
      Cthulhu 28 November 2012 14: 15
      0
      At 18, I could not answer this question. Yes, I think even about 25 years old. But after going a certain way. Including in self-knowledge, not only in a philosophical sense, but also taking into account practice. I can answer honestly, without emotion. Yes !. Although it is possible, I am a little disingenuous. We are in different weight categories. I was taught this, then I was tested in practice, but you are not. But honesty ... well, where to put it.
      And you? So provocatively asking your opponent so easily, answer your own question, honestly, without emotion. Or is it ... emotions ... emotions)))
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Cthulhu
        And you? So provocatively asking your opponent so easily, answer your own question, honestly, without emotion. Or is it ... emotions ... emotions)))

        Without emotion, and honestly ... No. But this is without emotion, but in general NOBODY knows what he would do in this situation. Depends on a lot. And cowardice or heroism have nothing to do with it.
        I won’t judge you (I don’t know you), just a little doubt, I'm sorry.
        1. Cthulhu
          Cthulhu 28 November 2012 14: 39
          +1
          Doubt your right. Thank you for your answer. Honesty is worthy of respect. From me to you "+" with all my heart. Basically I agree 99%. But let 1% of none be left to practitioners. Otherwise, you will have to overclock all the CSNs for professional unsuitability).
          1. Atlon
            28 November 2012 16: 50
            +1
            Quote: Cthulhu
            But let 1% of no one leave for practitioners. Otherwise, it will be necessary to disperse all the CSPs for professional inappropriateness).

            Well, we don’t seem to discuss the pros? NORMAL average civil? wink
            At the same time, as a young man, I was closely involved in SAMBO, and in the army I received very good fire training. Plus, my father is a military man, so I learned to shoot as a child. If I had a pistol, I would kill Vinogradov with one shot, and with bare hands I would not have climbed ... Age is not the same, physical form is not the same, skills are lost ...
  27. SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 28 November 2012 12: 15
    +1
    1. BAN ANY TRAFFIC! People are too irresponsible to use it.
    2. DO NOT Pneumatics! For the same reason.
    3. ALLOW the firearms short-barreled weapons to carry.
    4. ENABLE long-barreled firearms for STORAGE.
    5. To disperse the Ministry of Internal Affairs "For inconsistency with the positions held"
    THEN WHY DO THE POLICE NEED AT ALL !!!!!!!!! ?????????????
  28. Atlon
    28 November 2012 12: 30
    +3
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    5. To disperse the Ministry of Internal Affairs "For inconsistency with the positions held" THEN WHY DO THE POLICE NEED AT ALL !!!!!!!!! ?????????????

    In countries where weapons are allowed, the police also have ... did not know? Once again: Weapons are a deterrent. There will be no shooting! We are not worse than other nations. And inadequate are everywhere and always. But these are units. And it’s better to inadequate let the palette of the REGISTRATED weapons be guaranteed to be identified than to kill or kill someone with a rubber bullet and avoid punishment.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 28 November 2012 15: 20
      0
      The West should not blame, they are already tired of allowing everything to their citizens. So we are returning to the days of the savages, living according to the principle "everyone has his own ax"? Then the thought will tell you to create a tribe that would have some guarantee of protection, for example, against several bandits with guns, then the sheriff will be drawn and "AGAIN 25 !!! ??? Again corruption, again repression." WHAT WILL THE MIA DO THEN ???
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: Atlon
        And it’s better to inadequate let the palette of the REGISTRATED weapons be guaranteed to be identified than to kill or kill someone with a rubber bullet and avoid punishment.


        As an option: such an inadequate one flared up, shot at someone, killed. The case was opened, the bullet identified. And he had already dragged a statement of the corresponding form (with a lawyer) that he was hit on the head from behind and the trunk was taken away. Handles-muzzle washed from the tracks ... What next?
        1. Atlon
          28 November 2012 18: 05
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          As an option: such an inadequate one flared up, shot at someone, killed. The case was opened, the bullet identified. And he had already dragged a statement of the corresponding form (with a lawyer) that he was hit on the head from behind and the trunk was taken away. Handles-muzzle washed from the tracks ... What next?

          Firstly, not the fact that he will be luckier ... Maybe he will be killed on the spot. Secondly, the examination will always prove that the murder took place BEFORE he brought a "statement of the appropriate form." It takes time to make a statement, a lawyer and "wash your little pens". The same as for the examination of the "blow from the back on the head" with a spring from Toyota. And the onset of death is determined with an accuracy of a quarter of an hour. In addition, we have this and it happens with cars in an accident, so not an argument. Maybe this and that, these are exceptions, there will be no mass character. And to prohibit gas supply to houses and apartments, because sometimes household gas explodes with victims, this is nonsense!
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 19: 56
            -2
            In the process, do you draw your knowledge from TV shows? Where do the experts go to the scene and immediately determine everything? Blessed. who believes only reality is very different from your fiction ...
  29. Atlon
    28 November 2012 12: 46
    +6


    So it could be in an office with Vinogradov ... You see what daredevils? Run and stumble! laughing And because it is one thing to cut money "on the easy", and quite another to die from an overdose of lead! bully
    1. Joker
      Joker 28 November 2012 13: 43
      0
      Grandfather of course laughing how many times he shot almost point blank and still didn’t hit drinks But at least kicked out these geeks. And remember the cases with an attack on the collectors with us, because the gun would have been allowed, they would have climbed the hell to rob, at any time a bullet could fly from everywhere hi
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 13: 50
        +1
        In fact, I got ... One wounded another in the arm of another in the leg and ... forgive my ass ... (the second is hard). Subsequently, they were arrested in the hospital (it is also written at the beginning of the video). Not the fact that he wanted to kill them, maybe that was what was intended ... wink And they fall, most likely, just from hits. It’s just that in a fever they don’t immediately understand that they are wounded.
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 28 November 2012 14: 00
        +2
        Quote: Joker
        And remember the cases with an attack on the collectors with us, because a firearm would be allowed, they would get to hell

        Please specify, do we have collectors without weapons?
        And if with weapons, then why are they periodically attacked?
        And why aren't you afraid to get lead in your head?
        1. Atlon
          28 November 2012 14: 07
          +2
          Quote: Ustas
          Please check with us that collectors are without weapons? And if with weapons, why are they attacked from time to time? And why aren’t they afraid to get lead in the head?

          Collectors with weapons, of course. But they are not attacked by the gopniks, this is first. And secondly, often, they themselves substitute their colleagues from inside the system.
        2. Joker
          Joker 28 November 2012 15: 57
          +1
          The collectors with weapons are of course, but after all they are shot suddenly, and when passers-by can go down the street and there is a chance that in a sudden attack, someone will turn around, take out a gun and stuff the lead with robbers, I think they will often think about whether to attack or not.
          1. Atlon
            28 November 2012 16: 59
            0
            Quote: Joker
            and when passers-by can walk along the street and there is a likelihood that in a sudden attack, someone turns around, takes out a gun and stuffs the robbers with lead, I think they will often think about whether to attack or not.

            But for this, we need the DEFENSE Law! (and not self-defense) Where it will be written out in what cases citizens have the right to use weapons. Not only when protecting yourself, your family and your property, but also strangers, other people's property, public property, public safety and security of your country! Here's how to pose the question! And having such a law and weapons, it was possible to avoid Dubrovka and Beslan!
            1. Joker
              Joker 28 November 2012 18: 20
              0
              And the shooting of the white house in 91 what
            2. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 28 November 2012 20: 02
              -1
              You can immediately see the person who raves!
              No one will ever write a law that will allow people not to defend themselves, but to attack in all cases when they will SEE that someone is ready to commit a crime! You do not need a law on defense, but a law on attack, it turns out, is required! That’s what they would say - you WANT TO PUNISH, not to defend yourself! And here you have to be punished, insane ... and just socially dangerous individuals! You are ready to commit a murder, and therefore, to protect society from such dangerous criminals, you need to slap as quickly as possible - and it does not matter that you commit a crime in your thoughts, but you are ready to commit it in real life!
  30. Waroc
    Waroc 28 November 2012 13: 36
    +4
    An excellent answer to the wailing comrades is that villains with real weapons will come (most villains are already registered and no one will officially authorize them). So - the villains with weapons came - and then, lo and behold, the visitor (grandfather in white) also had a barrel, what happened - and what happened was exactly what was supposed to happen !!! It’s one thing to wave the barrel in front of the unarmed and bend over them, and it’s quite another to face resistance. And it’s not necessary to consider everyone as psychos and drunks, it is not necessary to consider everyone around as maniacs and sadists - this is not so, most people around are normal. In addition, the weapon really disciplines an adequate normal person, and a psycho with a knife breaks firewood no less. Using the same Breivik as an example, we can only say the following - why there wasn’t such a grandfather there and for 2 hours he UNFAZEDLY shot people on the island.
    Think ... Everyone decides for himself ...
  31. Helizer
    Helizer 28 November 2012 13: 54
    -3
    Sample application for the issuance of weapons to civilians:
    A citizen Name is too weak to defend himself, too dumb to avoid trouble and too lazy to eliminate at least one of these shortcomings, asks to give him a weapon.
    1. zevs379
      zevs379 28 November 2012 15: 20
      0
      Quote: Chelicera
      Sample application for the issuance of weapons to civilians: a citizen's name is too weak to defend himself, too dumb to avoid trouble and too lazy to eliminate at least one of these shortcomings, asks to give him a weapon.


      Distort dear. Lazy trunk wearing laziness laughing
  32. Atlon
    28 November 2012 14: 01
    0
    But everyone remembers this? The peasant had a trunk, he survived ... But would all the neighbors have it? Perhaps scumbags would have put everyone there!

  33. Burbur
    Burbur 28 November 2012 14: 34
    +4
    Korotkostvol need to be allowed. And the law on self-defense is normal to adopt.
    To be afraid that the Caucasians will arm themselves without exception and they will shoot everyone - nonsense. Injury near kills no worse, but no traces. Accordingly, the illusion of impunity.
    The entire short-barrel goes through the bullet-shell case. So it won’t work out.
    But Narik will think 100500 times whether to climb into the hut and the gopota is unlikely to throw at loners ... The insane will be quickly shot.
    Here the main culture of handling weapons to inculcate. Shooting ranges / shooting ranges should be extremely cheap and easily accessible. All kinds of courses, etc. etc.
    And our people are very responsible ....
  34. Atlon
    28 November 2012 14: 52
    +4
    1. A weapons permit not earlier than 21 years old (if he served in the Army, if not, not earlier than 30 years old).
    2. A medical examination with the PERSONAL liability of the physician in the case of an incident with the examined.
    3. Registration in the bulletproof library.
    4. Complete revision (re-creation) of the law on DEFENSE (not self-defense, namely on defense)!
    5. Compulsory training (as on the right) with different categories of access, like on a car and passing an exam, including accuracy of shooting! (you don’t hit the target, it is dangerous for others!)
    6. Reexamination every 5 years.
    7. Lack of criminal record, drives, administrative punishments (hooliganism, for example, deprivation of a driver’s license, etc.).
    8. In case of loss (loss) of weapons, revoke the permit, say for 5 years. With repeated loss - forever.

    Add that did not consider.
    The requirements are not very complicated, right? especially for NORMAL people. But how many unwanted audiences will weed out? Including the notorious Caucasians. Well, toughening the order of responsibility for illegal trunks. For illegal use. For a booze, how with the rights to deprive permission, etc.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 28 November 2012 15: 37
      +2
      Now you are already "bargaining", forgive the expression !?
      For example, several people are walking, let's take the same Caucasians, they all have holsters with pistols under their jackets. Don't you think that the police won't approach such people at all !? And even if they dare to come up and ask permission, and if suddenly one of them does not have permission, what do you think the rest of his friends will do, intoxicated by the brotherhood in Islam, all kinds of tribal solidarity. These policemen will simply be shot with their restriction on the use of service weapons , and the people, remembering the antics of the NKVD, will simply turn away, remain silent (at best) and rejoice when remembering the "champagne bottles" in the 21st century. The breakup of the country will come even faster than Russia's enemies dream of.
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 16: 00
        +2
        Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
        For example, there are a few people. Let’s take the same Caucasians, all under the jackets are visible holsters with pistols. Do not you think that the police will not approach such people at all !? And even if they dare to approach and ask for permission, and if one of them suddenly doesn’t have permission, what do you think his other friends will be drugged by the brotherhood in Islam, all kinds of tribal cohesion. These policemen will simply be shot with their restriction on the use of service weapons ,

        nonsense...
        simply because each bullet has the shooter's first and last name written on it. Well, I wrote above about the tightening of responsibility ... How can you not understand! DO NOT compare a non-marking rezinertorel with a normally registered LEGAL barrel! That cops aren't being killed now? Do they not fire? What will change with the introduction of legal weapons? Everyone will drop illegal guns and buy legal ones ??? laughing
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 28 November 2012 16: 20
          -1
          In principle, you can laugh !!!! While there is time !!! If the topic in your article becomes a reality, then there will be no laughing matter !!!!! In the meantime, you can laughing - "dry your teeth."
      2. Joker
        Joker 28 November 2012 16: 01
        +2
        In the US, the police come up and nothing. And if such a Caucasian has a desire to reach for a gun, then a policeman will shoot him on the spot.

        After all, the policeman was not afraid to do so, or maybe the driver had a barrel.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 29 November 2012 21: 05
          +1
          American cops count!
    2. Cthulhu
      Cthulhu 28 November 2012 16: 06
      +1
      Let's look at things logically. We omit the very topic of legalization.
      According to the requirements, you have added practically nothing new to the existing ones. In addition to raising the age in paragraph 1 (here I partially agree with you) and paragraph 6. Now in order:
      - according to claim 2, the responsibility is present now, only it is practically not provable. Well, unless of course there is an obvious forgery from the PND.
      - according to claim 5 honestly did not understand about the categories. Explain your point.
      That is, in principle, you offer what is already there. And where is the barrier for the notorious? And by the way, item 8 can be safely removed. He will not be needed. There is such article 224 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and a bulletproof library, therefore this category (according to clause 8) of citizens will raise the national economy in the colonies.
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 17: 09
        +3
        Quote: Cthulhu
        - according to claim 5 honestly did not understand about the categories. Explain your point.

        Well, by analogy with a driver’s license. A - (motorcycle) smooth barrel, B - (passenger) short barrel rifled, C (truck) - long barrel, etc. I wrote conditionally, you can apply another gradation in increasing efficiency, or danger. Power, aiming range of multiple charges, etc.
        Quote: Cthulhu
        And where is the barrier for the notorious?

        Lack of service in the Army wink And after 30, the youthful craving for adventure in many ceases to play in the pope. Families, children, responsibility ...
  35. Kars
    Kars 28 November 2012 15: 02
    +3
    Quote: Atlon
    A medical examination with the PERSONAL liability of the physician in the case of an incident with the examined

    not a single doctor will subscribe to this.

    I am in favor of facilitating the sale of long-barreled weapons. Which is for defense at home. And with a short-barrel and even shot and nominal problems there are no problems, it’s easier with illegal ones. If you can always give the cops money to let them go.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 17: 52
      -1
      And whoever needs it, they will have two trunks. Or three. Personal, shot, recorded, and another, for shooting. Say no? This country is easy. Now, is it difficult to injure without permission to buy? The same will be with short-trunks. only more expensive.
      1. Atlon
        28 November 2012 18: 19
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        And whoever needs it, they will have two trunks. Or three. Personal, shot, recorded, and another, for shooting. Say no? This country is easy. Now, is it difficult to injure without permission to buy? The same will be with short-trunks. only more expensive.

        what for?! Who needs one and now has it. Why is he still legal? What would shine once again in the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Or do you mean yourself? During the day, a law-abiding citizen with a legal trunk, and at night a robber with a left ?? I do not understand the great meaning of your post ...
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 28 November 2012 23: 15
          +2
          Pavel, honestly, well, we're not in the Duma. And you are not a deputy with this bill. And from the fact that we let steam in here, there is nothing to change.

          You asked our opinion. we answered you. Well, why should everyone have the same opinion? Moreover, if it coincided, then what? Will you carry a deputy from your district? So you by law have every right to fill up with him such a question without us.

          And if you don't like the opinion that does not coincide with yours, if you want to see only the joyful cries of "Give me the trunks !!!", so you would write to each of the opponents in a personal, like I ask you not to discuss this topic, because it is unpleasant for me, how auto RU. Many would understand. I don’t seem to understand, I will not climb anymore. It won't get any worse from me, and it won't change the situation.

          And as for your rudeness and such a comparison - God grant you a judge. When arguments end, insults begin. Fe ...

          But since such a booze has gone - I do not consider myself a law-abiding citizen. But I don’t have a trunk. Neither legal nor illegal. I simply don’t need it. He even sold it. There is something to replace, especially not entering into the framework of the Criminal Code.
  36. Egoza
    Egoza 28 November 2012 18: 15
    0
    The main thing is that now you can buy everything for money - including a medical certificate, and permission to wear. Normal people simply don’t have money for weapons, and bandits have plenty. In addition, we are in no hurry to comply with laws. and for the most part they don’t know (and don’t want to know). First of all, you need to change the law on self-defense, and then talk about the possibility of having weapons. Self-defense will be taken into account - we will repulse without weapons.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 3 December 2012 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      First of all, you need to change the law on self-defense


      I think it’s a hundred times easier than making ALL be equal before the law! That's when (in what it is hard to believe) we and in general it will be, then you can break spears in disputes here! In the meantime, we have no equality before the law then ..... I think it makes no sense to argue!
  37. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 28 November 2012 18: 48
    0
    I would like to thank the editors and the author in particular for the frequent and impartial touching attention to the Armenians, which set us an example in such a burning and important issue as the legalization of weapons and the right to self-defense.
    But I would like to remind you that there is a lot of other evil in the world --- for example, Kutsenko began to sing, Moiseev was resurrected, the President of South Africa sacrificed 12 cows ....
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      SAVA555.IVANOV 28 November 2012 23: 01
      +2
      Yes, and thank you, dear Armenians, for example, for Rostov-on-Don, for your "Indian" show off, you and the rest of the "hot guys" are racing to humiliate the Russian person who warmed you up, you are already like those guests according to the saying "we live here too. ... t ". And those two brothers, before firing on Russian soil at the Russians, would have to remember that only a Russian soldier beat the Turks at the cost of a lot of blood. And you go there too ??? Well, the Turks are waiting for nothing, they know how to wait, then we'll see how cool you are. ...
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 29 November 2012 00: 51
        0
        No need to thank me .
        Thank you dear for reminding us of the Turks. And then how can you not be SAVA, as a descendant of the valiant Russian wars (which I strongly doubt), thanks to which every normal Armenian keeps in his heart, to remind us among whom we live.
        I see that you are very aware of how the Turks know how to wait a long time, apparently you know better in Baku!
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 29 November 2012 15: 20
          0
          My ancestors were at one time more abruptly than the Turks and Armenians combined, but I do not show off like a monkey. Let me give you advice and you do not show off so that you do not get into crime reports, live modestly IN ANOTHER LAND, communicate with ordinary people and not with "cops" bosses, from communicating with whom you have a feeling of permissiveness, this feeling is false. outstanding compatriots do not give you the right to say that you have done a lot for this country, just your compatriots were able to become famous and benefit due to the fact that they adopted the way of life of the Russian chelovek.Medzh these people and the current Armenians on the "Mersy" is a big abyss.
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone 29 November 2012 16: 50
            +1
            In vain you are so rude.
            A man with all his soul, with humor, is trying to somehow smooth over the negative, and you spit in his face! You blame the Turks.
            Not in Russian like that!
            1. SAVA555.IVANOV
              SAVA555.IVANOV 29 November 2012 22: 47
              0
              I agree not in russki.I'm not Russian and you can't cheat me as a Russian, I don’t believe in false speeches. Let people shoot at people in real life, but on the forums we will treat such "humorists" with understanding.
              1. MilaPhone
                MilaPhone 30 November 2012 08: 02
                0
                Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
                I am not russian

                Then I will answer you with your own words:

                Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
                My ancestors were at one time more abruptly than the Turks and Armenians combined, but I do not show off like a monkey. Let me give you advice and you do not show off so that you do not get into crime reports, live modestly IN ANOTHER LAND, communicate with ordinary people and not with "cops" bosses, from communicating with whom you have a feeling of permissiveness, this feeling is false ..
                1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                  SAVA555.IVANOV 1 December 2012 16: 16
                  -1
                  I live quietly and calmly and do not take the side of all the national minorities there, I do not exalt myself above ordinary people, and if my koment offended someone, let them live as I or other normal people and then they will respond more or less normally.
                  1. Hairy Siberian
                    Hairy Siberian 2 December 2012 16: 07
                    +1
                    I never get offended at all. I live as I can. For someone it’s bad, but for someone it’s good. I do not want to judge the whole nation by criminals. Good luck.
                    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                      SAVA555.IVANOV 2 December 2012 16: 41
                      0
                      Almost identical answers, perhaps thoughts converge on something. So let the criminals not find approval and condescension among their decent compatriots. Good luck.
  38. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 28 November 2012 19: 20
    0
    TT-33
    Oh... winked
  39. Comrade1945
    Comrade1945 28 November 2012 19: 26
    +2
    The slave never had a weapon. Having gained freedom, the slave first acquired weapons.

    On the 100 120% agree with the opinion of the author and the bast, as they say
  40. gmajor
    gmajor 28 November 2012 19: 34
    +4
    Dear, how do you like such a test?
    1. Atlon
      28 November 2012 19: 48
      +2
      Quote: gmajor
      Dear, how do you like such a test?

      Very intelligible! BRAVO!!! drinks
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 29 November 2012 16: 40
      0
      Quote: gmajor
      How do you like this test?
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 December 2012 16: 05
      +1
      ANSWER TO ALL ARGUMENTS OF ANGELS OF THE SHORT-BUTTER! BRAVO!
  41. Bosk
    Bosk 28 November 2012 20: 16
    0
    Adequate people can also give permission for a howitzer ..... so there’s a small little thing left ... to sow adequats from inadequates.
  42. Captain45
    Captain45 28 November 2012 22: 08
    0
    So you read all the comments and think, how am I still alive in such a terrible life? After all, bandits around me, scumbags, are just waiting to rob and kill a poor and defenseless me, because I don’t have a gun. Only for 47 years now I live and everything is alive. There were a couple of real situations in everyday situations when a friend got into a cafe and had to wave his fists, normal, stayed alive, and once a couple of unreasonable young people asked me to smoke and nothing, alive and even without damage, even though I’m not Bruce Lee Chuck Norris.
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 28 November 2012 22: 27
      +3
      Samurai said - that even if once in my life I need a katana, I will always wear it! I have a short barrel (legally) but don’t wear for many reasons. I keep it at home - for there are less conditions for both application and evidence in court. Plus - no one can say what will happen tomorrow :) Therefore, the NZ of ammunition must be stored and refreshed constantly because in times of crisis - arms stores close and prices go up very much!
  43. Aleshty
    Aleshty 28 November 2012 22: 12
    0
    Even the howitzer will not return male power to some individuals, and the bomb will not help women.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 29 November 2012 00: 11
      0
      Uh ... easy, you whoever wore a gun will say ... that during this period there are no problems with male power ..... there is a problem with women ................. .............. (maybe this is the influence of weapons ....).
  44. arkady149
    arkady149 29 November 2012 09: 47
    +3
    Ardent opponents of the legalization of the short-barrel are, as a rule, those who have this very short-barrel by the nature of their activity and it is very difficult for them to come to terms with the loss of their "chosenness". There is, of course, another motivation for rejecting the idea to arm those who wish, but this one most aggressively advocates the practice of prohibitions.
  45. sergey261180
    sergey261180 29 November 2012 21: 01
    +1
    Philosophical question. If the state distributes weapons to everyone, then it is necessary to change the criminal code and abolish Art. 105 "Murder". The one who survives will be right. If Art. 105 not to be canceled, what is the point then in the weapon? The problem is not in the availability of weapons, but in the legal consequences of their use.
  46. sleepy
    sleepy 2 December 2012 05: 25
    +1
    Liberals say authorities fear an armed nation. Big mistake. They are not afraid of anything.
    They know about weapons as much as a simple layman, and if you ask them, they will answer exactly the same.
    It will never occur to them to think about the challenges of tomorrow, or that one of these challenges
    - how to shoot Russian breiviks during the period of exacerbation,
    - nor that an armed nation is a united and responsible nation.
    But the authorities love MONEY.
    Roughly, the short-barrel market in Russia - ten million consumers at the start,
    and the price of weapons (high by default) does not matter here.
    And who believes that he really needs a gun - can take a loan from a bank
    The market will be pulled by infrastructure: the massive need for ammunition and consumables, shooting galleries, shooting clubs,
    jobs for retired military and police officers, licensing system, bulletproof magazines ...
    Also money, again money, a lot of MONEY.
    And a feeder for those who are interested. Lots of feeders.
    And then the law comes into effect: it’s more likely that the winner is not the one who noisily fights and loudly upholds the rights,
    and he who simply lives according to his own concepts and shapes the world around himself according to these concepts.
    And the world is driven by money and very big MONEY.
    And for some reason it seems that everything has already been paid.
    Otherwise there would be no movement on this topic.
    It was reported that Promtekhnologii Group of Companies launches the assembly of three fourth-generation Glock models in Russia.
    This is not the "best gun in the world", but the price / quality ratio is acceptable.
    And Glock GMBH is a huge corporation that has been measuring time for decades, and if it stuck a fingertip somewhere today, sooner or later it will fit all five.
    And those who have money are not really afraid of those with weapons, buying armored vehicles and hiring security professionals.
  47. Gonchar
    Gonchar 2 December 2012 07: 57
    +2
    Complete nonsense!!! Let's ban it, let's ban it ... ugh! Bans only decent citizens and limit! Whoever needs it will get anything illegally, starting with light pneumatics and not limited to even a large-caliber firearm;)
  48. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 2 December 2012 19: 46
    -1
    TO THE AUTHOR ...
    4. ENABLE long-barreled firearms for STORAGE.


    Sorry, it’s not clear who forbade you to do it)))) Wear, hunt, play sports .... another thing is a short-barrel rifled.
  49. vlad tanks
    vlad tanks 3 December 2012 09: 51
    0
    With two hands FOR !!!!
  50. DimYang
    DimYang 4 December 2012 10: 28
    0
    And the last thing. As you know, "Slaves differ from free citizens in that they have no right to bear arms."

    I absolutely support!
    And from seba added-licensing wearing weapons, a short barrel to protect themselves, families, housing. Wear it only in the region of registration, otherwise, confiscation and withdrawal of a license for a long period. For issuing licenses in violation of the rules (the inspector himself is required to verify the authenticity of certificates of other documents necessary to obtain a license, etc.) criminal liability, with entering data articles in the category of particularly serious crimes.
    If you think a little longer, then everything can be normalized and proportionately normalized. No one is protected from fools and such cases will unfortunately happen, but this is a justified risk. The statistics on street crime in those countries where the short barrels were allowed speaks for itself. Who cares, can read on the net. But in general, there are people whom the state pays for the development of rules and laws, if they cannot, it means that it is not in its place. And this is another topic for discussion.