A little about the industry of the transitional era

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A little about the industry of the transitional era
Illustration and caption from a textbook stories Middle Ages for 6th grade. “In the workshop of a medieval gunsmith. A cramped, vaulted room on the ground floor of a craftsman's house. A ray of sunlight barely breaks through a small window. In the depths there is a forge, on the right is a grinding wheel and a vise. There are hand tools on the shelves: hammers, drills, tongs, files. The master tries iron armor on the knight. The students help him. At the window, an apprentice with a hammer finishes the chest armor "


So send me an artisan
skilled in working with gold and silver,
bronze and iron, as well as in working with purple,
scarlet and blue yarn and in the art of carving,
to work in Judea and Jerusalem
with my skilled craftsmen,
chosen by my father David.

Second Chronicles 2:7

Problems of historical knowledge. Not so long ago, VO once again started talking about the "industry" of medieval Europe and the New Age. And as always, many questions arose from incomplete knowledge. And on the other hand, where does he get this most complete knowledge from? From a textbook on the history of the Middle Ages for grade 6? Even a university textbook (say, the one that the author had a chance to study from) left practically nothing in his memory, except perhaps for the fact that workshops were then engaged in production and that at first they were a progressive phenomenon, and then they began to slow down the development of capitalism. But neither about professions, nor about the raw materials of different countries, there was not much talk there, except perhaps about salt, without which it was simply impossible to do without in the same Middle Ages, and then - salted herring was almost the main food of the poor. Rarely, as illustrations, one could see a dry graphic picture depicting a gunsmith, blacksmith or weaver. However, there were many more professions at that time, but there was no opportunity to get to know them then.



Meanwhile, there is a unique source from Germany of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, which gives us an amazing amount of beautiful images of people of this time at work. And from them you can learn about the professions that existed at that time and even get a little acquainted with the “material base”! And this is not one book, but several, for a couple of hundred years!

And it happened that already in 1388 a charitable organization was created in Nuremberg, which first accepted 12 people in need and helped them find work, having previously taught the craft! Who they were, in what capacity and where they were arranged, was recorded in books called the “Home Books of the Nuremberg Fund of the Twelve Brothers”. Starting around 1425, their books were designed as follows: one-page illustrations of the people they helped, and text usually giving their names and the profession they were engaged in.

Today we continue to publish illustrations from these books, and for different years, so that you can see how these “pictures” themselves have changed from century to century.

And, by the way, whoever is missing in these illustrations: from a baker to a carpenter, from a "loader" to a "sugar producer" - more than 1 images that show us numerous production processes and handicrafts since the 300th century. The images of the masters in the "Books of the Twelve Brothers" have long been known and loved in special and popular science literature, both as research material and as illustrations. However, most of them have remained unpublished to this day. That is why it is especially valuable that the administration of the Nuremberg City Library gave me permission to process and publish them for the readers of VO to familiarize themselves with them.

This is the first…

Secondly, I managed to find a book on medieval British industry: English Medieval Industries (John Blair, Nigel Ramsey, Hambledon Press, London, 1991, 446 p.). And what is there just not in it - both the early Norman period (1066-1100) and the medieval growth of production (1100-1290), it is clear that there is also something about the medieval economic crisis in it - the Great Famine and the Black Death (1290-1350) . Which was followed then by the "late medieval economic boom" (1350-1509). Products from leather and textiles, wood and bone, ceramics - all this is there, not to mention metal products. The book has been translated into Russian and the translation can be found on the Web, although the translation itself is not very literary. However, you can read, although through a stump-deck.


Here she is...

It’s just impossible to give illustrations from all the “Books of the 12 Brothers” - there are too many of them! However, it is very interesting to get acquainted with these two sources of information. Therefore, a kind of digest will be offered to the attention of VO readers - a summary of a book about the British iron and mining industry in England before 1500, and it will be illustrated, again, by “pictures” from “Books of 12 brothers”.

So, what kind of metals were mined in Britain in the Middle Ages and could they enable local blacksmiths to produce, let's say, the same weapon and knight armor?


Master Lamplighter, 1425. With such lamps then they went at night

To begin with, from the Norman invasion in 1066 until the death of Henry VII in 1509, the economy of England was based on agriculture. However, the mining of iron, tin, lead and silver, and later coal, played an important role in the English medieval economy. William the Conqueror's system of government was feudal in the sense that the right to own land was tied to service to the king, but in many other respects the Norman invasion did little to change the nature of the English economy and its mining operations.


Bricklayer, 1425. Uses a crane!

At first, mining did not form a significant part of the English medieval economy, but in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries England experienced an increased demand for metals, thanks to a significant increase in population and the construction of buildings, including stately cathedrals and churches. During this period, four metals were mined in England: iron, tin, lead and silver using various refining methods.

Coal has also been mined since the 8th century. Iron was smelted in cheese blast furnaces to produce chicken, which was then carefully forged. Blowing into the furnace was carried out first with hand bellows, but then it was mechanized - they were driven by water mills. Domnitsa immediately increased in size and gradually began to turn into blast furnaces. Already in the XIV century, the height of blast furnaces reached XNUMX m. Since all these furnaces worked on charcoal, there was a massive deforestation for coal. The profession of a coal miner was popular, as it was not at all easy to get high-quality charcoal.


Belt buckle maker, 1425

As a result, deforestation to obtain charcoal led to the fact that already in the XNUMXth century in England it was forbidden to use charcoal in metallurgy. And this was a problem, because coke was only made and used in the XNUMXth century.


File maker, 1534

Iron mining took place at several locations, including the main center at Forest of Dean and Durham and the Weald. Some iron to meet the demand of England was imported from the continent, especially towards the end of the thirteenth century.

By the end of the XNUMXth century, the old stripping method of extracting iron ore was supplemented by more advanced technologies, including digging tunnels, trenches, and building mines. Iron ore was usually processed locally, and as early as the XNUMXth century, the first water-powered forge in England was built in Chingley. As a result of deforestation and the consequent increase in the cost of wood and charcoal, the demand for hard coal increased and it began to be mined commercially from quarry pits and by open pit mining.


Armor master. "Three-quarter" armor for a cuirassier or reiter hangs on the wall, 1535.

A silver boom occurred in England after the discovery of a silver deposit near Carlisle in 1133. Enormous quantities of silver were mined from the semi-circle of mines that ran through Cumberland, Durham and Northumberland - up to three to four tons of silver was mined each year, more than ten times the previous annual production across Europe. The result was a local economic boom and a major upswing in royal finances in the XNUMXth century.

Tin mining was concentrated in Cornwall and Devon, where alluvial deposits were mined, and managed by special "tin courts and parliaments" - tin was such a valuable export commodity. And at first it was taken to Germany, and then in the XIV century to the Netherlands.

Lead was commonly obtained as a by-product of silver mining in Yorkshire, Durham and the north, as well as in Devon. Lead mines usually survived as a result of subsidies from silver production.


The nailer used to make nails by hand!

The Black Death came to England in 1348 from Europe. But first, in 1315, the "Great Famine" came, which began a series of acute crises in the English agrarian economy. The famine was caused by a series of crop failures in 1315, 1316 and 1321, combined with an outbreak of epizootics among sheep and oxen between 1319 and 1321 and the spread of fungal diseases among the wheat stocks. During the famine that followed, many people died and the peasants were forced to eat horses, dogs, and cats, as well as cannibalize children, although reports of this kind are usually considered exaggerated. The Great Famine completely reversed population growth in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries and left the domestic economy deeply shaken, though not destroyed.

Then, in 1348, the plague first came to the land of England, after which it was successively repeated during 1360-1362, 1368-1369, 1375. and sporadically thereafter. The immediate consequence of this disaster was a mass death of people: about 27% of deaths among the upper classes and up to 40-70% among the peasants. Several settlements were simply abandoned during the epidemic, but many of them were badly damaged or were almost completely destroyed. The medieval authorities did everything possible to somehow respond to this challenge of the time, but the consequences provoked an economic crisis of exceptional force. Construction work stopped and many mine workings were abandoned.


Master maker of sword handles, 1556

In the short term, the authorities made attempts to control wages and provide the population with pre-epidemic working conditions. However, unlike previous centuries of rapid growth, the English population did not recover this time for over a century. At the same time, the impact of the crisis on the English mining industry was felt until the end of the Middle Ages.

True in 1350-1509. the mining industry performed well overall, supported by strong demand for industrial and luxury goods. Production of Cornish tin plummeted during the Black Death itself, leading to a doubling of the price of its products. Tin exports also fell catastrophically, but rose again in the next few years.

By the early 1300th century, available alluvial tin deposits in Cornwall and Devon began to decline, leading to surface and underground mining to support the tin boom that occurred in the late 1500th century. Lead mining also increased, with production nearly doubling between XNUMX and XNUMX. Timber and charcoal became cheaper again after the Black Death, with the result that coal production declined, remaining at a low level until the end of this period - nevertheless, some coal mining took place, and all the main English coal deposits were used by the XNUMXth century.


Blacksmith, 1564

Iron production continued to rise. In the south-east, more active use of hydropower began, but deforestation continued and reached the forest of Dean in the western part of Gloucestershire in England in the 1496th century. Well, the first blast furnace in England, which became a major technical step forward in the smelting of metals, was built in XNUMX in Newbridge, in the County of the Weald.

That is, the metal production of England between the Middle Ages and the New Age turned out to be at a fairly high level, and the metal itself, both iron and silver, with tin was quite enough to meet the needs of the corresponding production.


Gunsmith, 1613

Since we are primarily interested in the production of weapons, it is worth drawing a number of specific figures showing its level. For example, the production of 100 crossbow bolts required ten birch trunks and 000 kg of iron. At first glance it seems like a lot. But in fact, only in the Battle of Montleury in 250, 1465 arrows were used in one day! However, the British were constantly short of their weapons.


And this, of course, is a shoemaker. Well, where without him ... 1640

So, at the time of the death of King Henry VIII in 1547, the Arsenal in the Tower had 3 bows, and 060 bundles of arrows with 13 arrows each. The total number of arquebuses reached 050, but 24 arquebuses in 7 arrived in England from Brescia. In 700, Henry bought 4 sets of armor in Florence at a price of 000 shillings each, a year later another 1543 in Milan, then in 1512 he bought another 2 armor in Cologne and 000 in Antwerp. Also at the time of his death, 16 iron tools and 5 bronze ones were stored in the Tower.
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  1. +14
    April 8 2023 05: 17
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    And how were birch trunks used in the production of crossbow bolts?

    PS I asked a question - I found the answer that the bolt had a shaft.

    Obviously, he had a poor idea of ​​the variety of crossbow bolts.
    1. +13
      April 8 2023 06: 09
      Hello, Sergey!
      Good morning everyone and no less good day. smile
      Obviously, he had a poor idea of ​​the variety of crossbow bolts.

      Me too, until I stumbled upon it in the storeroom. request


      And look how creatively they thought, how much ingenuity in terms of how best to kill your neighbor. laughing
      1. +3
        April 8 2023 06: 33
        Bolts with a wide tip, as I understand it, to defeat the mast.
        1. +3
          April 8 2023 07: 00
          Good morning everyone!
          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          Bolts with a wide tip, as I understand it, to defeat the mast.

          No, in this case hunting.
        2. +8
          April 8 2023 07: 22
          It is more than doubtful, the accuracy there is very relative, the ships are moving, the sea is pitching, and from the shore they could hardly not only get in, but simply "reach out".
          For these purposes, the Knippel was used - a projectile used to damage the spars and rigging of enemy sailing ships. It consisted of two cores or semi-cores, interconnected by an iron rod or chain (chain knippel, chain cores).


          1. +3
            April 8 2023 07: 53
            More than doubtful, the accuracy there is very relative
            Hi Uncle Kostya!
            I think that before the widespread use of your favorite gunpowder, it was shearing that was the main means of destroying rigging, first with archery, then with crossbows.
            1. +3
              April 8 2023 08: 04
              The rigging won't even take a bullet. See the myth of the cowboy and the gallows.
              1. -2
                April 8 2023 08: 21
                See the myth of the cowboy and the gallows.
                Clint Eastwood disagrees.
                1. +7
                  April 8 2023 08: 33
                  He's too good to be true. But what types!
            2. +8
              April 8 2023 08: 51
              Hello Anton!
              Share specific information, otherwise "the men here are confused, are you for the Bolsheviks, or are you for the communists?" But seriously, I doubt that a tightly stretched rope, and even more so a sagging one, can be killed from a crossbow, not to mention simply getting into a specific rigging cable. Here, not everyone will hit the end from a hundred meters from a machine gun, and this is not in battle, but for the sake of entertainment.
              1. +2
                April 8 2023 11: 52
                I have never heard that in a naval battle someone tried to damage the rigging with arrows. Moreover, one cannot even recall the descriptions of cases of using incendiary arrows, except in fiction. But I have read that a special group was allocated in the boarding teams to destroy enemy rigging.
                That is, attention was paid to this issue.
                1. +3
                  April 8 2023 21: 31
                  The Chinese used rockets, with plumage and wings, I don’t remember the exact name, something like a flaming raven. It had a wing, moved on jet propulsion, a charge of gunpowder, was used to set fire to ships.
            3. +2
              April 8 2023 19: 37
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              More than doubtful, the accuracy there is very relative
              Hi Uncle Kostya!
              I think that before the widespread use of your favorite gunpowder, it was shearing that was the main means of destroying rigging, first with archery, then with crossbows.

              Hi buddy, alas, this is a classic misconception. In antiquity, most warships were lightly loaded. History knows cases when, during the Greco-Persian wars, Greek triremes received underwater holes from ramming and did not sink. After the battles, the victors took them in tow and pulled them to their shore. The tradition changed with the advent of the penter. On the latter, battle towers appear first, then throwing weapons! Demetrius had a hand in the appearance of remote weapons. Later catapults appeared in Syracuse, Ptolemy's Egypt and Antiochus' Syria. Ballista did not prove themselves. Warships were rowboats. Before the battle, in most cases, even the mast was removed. The rigging consisted of four lines and two guys. There was only one transverse rail.
              Although the hexer ballista could throw an iron-studded log with a rope. The unfortunate trireme was pulled to the side and taken on board. So the archers were mainly engaged in the manpower of the enemy.
              So it is not surprising that Julius Caesar is at war with the Venetian fleet. I used long "braids" against rigging. Moreover, he won, having a deliberately weaker fleet. However, the calm helped him a lot.
              Agrippa returned the ballistae to the ships, using them to throw shells with coals.
              In the Middle Ages, crossbows were used to defeat manpower. It is not uncommon for stone throwers to be driven onto Mars. But the main thing was always boarding. Fire arrows were also rarely used. A sail is an expensive piece, almost a fifth of a snekk or knorr.
              Well, something like that!
          2. +13
            April 8 2023 10: 21
            projectile used to damage the spars and rigging of enemy sailing ships
            It’s always like this with us. One sail sews, tries, panimash .. wants to make it easier for people to move on the water, and the other doesn’t, to help - he takes it and makes a knipel. A pest. That’s why everything is through [censored] with us.
            1. +12
              April 8 2023 11: 09
              , and the other is not there to help - he takes it and makes a knipel. Pest

              And the other makes a Brandskugel against the knippel. Became a pest doubly. wink

              Private, Alexey! smile
              1. +13
                April 8 2023 12: 02
                Hello, hello! That's why there is a mess and corruption in the country, because there is one knippel, another brand-skugel. Who is in the forest, who is for firewood. I was drawn, although I didn’t seem to drink. I’ll have to get drunk in such a mood, don’t disappear to him. This mood.
                1. +15
                  April 8 2023 12: 27
                  That's why there is a mess and corruption in the country, because one knippel, the other brandskugel.
                  laughing laughing laughing
                  Directly not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!! wassat
                  This we can understand. Ten years of no life. All Icebergs, Weisbergs, Eisenbergs, all sorts of Rabinovichs
                  fellow
                  1. +12
                    April 8 2023 14: 58
                    Yes, I went nuts myself, Konstantin, as I said to the point laughing
          3. +10
            April 8 2023 11: 20
            Everyone knows dumbbells - just a kind of art projectile. Without any changes. Like the core.
          4. +5
            April 8 2023 12: 44
            Kostya, good day.
            In fact, Knippels did not appear immediately.
            Theoretically, the crossbow could hit the spars. But for this you need: good eyesight and a distance of a hundred meters, and then you will see FIG.
            About 5 or 6 years on the channel: "History", they talked about Geradot from Alexandri, he invented: a repeating crossbow. The machine sent a dozen arrows at once.
            If you put such a crossbow on the shore and a figach on the ship
            1. +5
              April 8 2023 14: 10
              Glory, hello! smile

              If you put such a crossbow on the shore and a figach on the ship


              All this is good, but you also need to get into the ship, but it does not stand still. I'm not even talking about spars and rigging. If crossbows were capable of what human fantasy ascribes to them, then it would not be necessary to "fence the garden" and invent artillery.
              1. +13
                April 8 2023 14: 42
                Let me join. In the sense that
                you also need to get into the ship, but it does not stand still
                and further in the text wink
              2. +3
                April 8 2023 15: 12
                "to invent artillery" in this case, all claims to Berthold Schwartz.
                Instead of praying and breaking your forehead. He made a demonic potion.
                Although, the crossbow is still used now, when a sentry is needed, to remove "the demon of noise and dust".
                1. +9
                  April 8 2023 15: 43
                  People like Berthold Schwartz pushed progress forward, and it would be foolish to blame them for the fact that their inventions were used in military affairs. This has always been the case with all innovations.

                  Re-read "It's hard to be a god" (Father Kabani)

                  Although, the crossbow is still used now, when a sentry is needed, to remove "the demon of noise and dust".

                  "Wild Geese" - Hardy Krueger as a mercenary.
                  1. +1
                    April 8 2023 16: 06
                    Did not see. Need to search. It's just that there's no time
      2. +7
        April 8 2023 07: 40
        Hi Constantine!

        Appreciated. A whole arsenal.
      3. +8
        April 8 2023 11: 17
        Why only "for neighbor"? Visible and hunting tips.
        1. +8
          April 8 2023 14: 13
          The question is what is primary and what is secondary. And hunting with a crossbow was clearly not in the first place in comparison with the war
          1. 0
            10 June 2023 23: 59
            The first known images of European crossbows are of Roman times, just hunting.

  2. +15
    April 8 2023 05: 38
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich, selection. illustrations are amazing!
    I join the kind words about the Administration of the Nuremberg Museum. I am sincerely surprised that now they have agreed, and not vice versa.
    Now to the article.
    . Blowing into the furnace was carried out first with hand bellows, but then it was mechanized - they were driven by water mills.

    Even in ancient Rome, pets were used to drive furs. Mostly donkeys.
    Below I will give diagrams of a cheese-making blast furnace and a blast furnace with a water wheel.


    Have a nice day, everyone!
    1. +15
      April 8 2023 08: 27
      I join the words of gratitude to the Author! hi )))
      Vyacheslav Olegovich painted such an epic picture of the industrial development of England, as well as the natural disasters and misfortunes that accompanied development, that it took my breath away! Thank you!
      Extremely impressed hi
      1. +13
        April 8 2023 11: 38
        Wow, exactly.
        I join the words of gratitude to the Author!
        I almost forgot!
        Extremely impressed
        Not that straight "extremely", but, yes -
        Thank you!
    2. +5
      April 8 2023 15: 19
      Namesake, hello. Are you interested in metallurgy?
      1. +6
        April 8 2023 18: 01
        Quote: vladcub
        Namesake, hello. Are you interested in metallurgy?

        I am a Ural Hamayun, a descendant of mining workers and the first of 10 generations since 1743 who did not work in the metallurgical industry. According to my father, my ancestors were blacksmiths, craftsmen, clerks, carpenters and even managers. By mother - miners and zhigars (coal burners). At least one mountain in the floodplain of the Serga River "Bald" is the work of my great-great-grandfather and great-grandfather. Alas, I did not find the generic worked-out "Eremevsky Mine". Although I know exactly where to look.
        So what about metallurgy - more precisely, in the history of ironworks, I understand something, but it is "something". To our mutual friend VikNick is like walking to the moon. He put me on the shoulder blades even on my field. Been with us!
  3. +12
    April 8 2023 05: 49
    To begin with, from the Norman invasion in 1066 until the death of Henry VII in 1509, the economy of England was based on agriculture.

    Interesting, but somewhere else?
    Having written this provocative comment, he himself remembered at least two more areas of the “national” economy that could be the basis of a state.
    1. This is fishing (the herring business of the Middle Ages is indeed an interesting phenomenon, although the “project” belongs to the church with its fast days and fasts).
    2. Military expansion for the purpose of robbery (Viking and a vivid, but not an isolated example).
    1. +10
      April 8 2023 05: 56
      In terms of an enlarged group of specialties, fisheries are also close to agriculture.

      It remains only to imagine how abundant the seas were with fish.
      1. +10
        April 8 2023 06: 56
        Quote from Korsar4
        It remains only to imagine how abundant the seas were with fish.

        Just awesome! They hit the fish with a spear without aiming, and each blow brought a fish!
        1. +10
          April 8 2023 07: 28
          Just awesome! They hit the fish with a spear without aiming, and each blow brought a fish!

          I doubt this is possible only during spawning!!
          1. +10
            April 8 2023 07: 52
            Agree. There were shoals, of course, in the sea. But try to reach them.
            1. +10
              April 8 2023 08: 06
              Judging by the old illustrations, everything was very nice and homely. smile

              1. +10
                April 8 2023 08: 35
                “The third time he threw a net” (c)?

                And Vrungel likes the difference between the Dutch herring and the Norwegian one.
                1. +10
                  April 8 2023 09: 15
                  And the Scots and Norwegians cannot catch Dutch herring - they can only get Scottish and Norwegian, respectively. ...

                  1. +10
                    April 8 2023 09: 44
                    Agree, almost every aphorism can be minted on bronze.
                    1. +10
                      April 8 2023 12: 29
                      almost every aphorism can be minted on bronze.


                      Cast in marble! laughing
                      1. +10
                        April 8 2023 13: 36
                        . Cast in marble!

                        Kostya, you have a poor understanding of modern technologies.
                        Cast in granite! wassat )))
                      2. +6
                        April 8 2023 13: 45
                        Quote: depressant
                        Cast in granite!

                        I happened to cast in a variety of places ... But in granite ... Is it really the Mausoleum? wassat
                      3. +10
                        April 8 2023 14: 24
                        I tried to stab the sealing wax on the neck of a wine bottle against the fence of the Mausoleum, but a lieutenant with blue buttonholes and Stechkin in a leather holster emerged from the back facade, came up to us, took the bottle from me, knocked out the cork with one blow and, neck down, lowered the bottle into a luxurious urn at entrance. The urn gurgled, the lieutenant grinned, saluted our company and just as slowly returned back. I was then sixteen. smile
                        And ten years later, we drank our vodka with the sentry foreman at the Spasskaya Tower and ate sandwiches with him. By the way, he also had an APS on his side, also in a leather holster. smile
                      4. +3
                        April 8 2023 16: 11
                        "with a sentry foreman", but I thought that under the Union there was more order
                      5. +6
                        April 8 2023 18: 48
                        Where "... Baron Klodt cast in 1841" too? wink
                2. +3
                  April 8 2023 15: 25
                  Sergey, welcome. I no longer remember the herring.
                  Actually, I hardly read Vrungel, but I know the cartoon. cool
                  1. +4
                    April 8 2023 16: 44
                    Greetings, Glory!

                    Konstantin laid out the most important thing. I'll probably stop myself from re-reading it. And then you won't get away.
              2. +5
                April 8 2023 19: 51
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Judging by the old illustrations, everything was very nice and homely.

                Yeah, from the side of a three-masted fishing bus!


                By the way, one of the fastest ships of its time. When fishing with a net, the mainsail and mizzen were removed, so that on one foremast he could pull the fishing net.
                Traditionally, the Dutch buss was used with a longboat. The latter's team returned on board only after the herring catch reached the rowers' cans.
                1. +4
                  April 8 2023 19: 53
                  A few more illustrations of the Dutch buses.



            2. Fat
              +3
              April 8 2023 09: 40
              Greetings, Sergey. There was a fleet of marine small fishing vessels, even when the merchant and military fleet was still in its infancy. We got to the places of formation of shoals of pelagic fish (herring, pelagic fish (shallow water)) normally. Fishing places, of course, had to be looked for, but the locations of the waters rich in fish food were known, as was the seasonality. They caught in the coastal zone with a casting net, while bottom fish (sea bass, cod and flounder) also fell into the catch. In the Mediterranean Sea, the situation is the same, except that the commercial species and traditions of commercial fishing are slightly different.
              1. +3
                April 8 2023 09: 45
                Greetings, Borisovich!

                When the conversation turned, he began to remember about Knut Hamsun.

                Only there it is already much later than the time in question.
                1. +10
                  April 8 2023 10: 20
                  Reading Knut Hamsun is scary.
                  I remember that in "Hunger" the main character suddenly said: "She is calling!", - and rushed into the night sea. The quintessence of despair and impotence.
                  Horror so far, but read a long time ago.
                  1. +10
                    April 8 2023 11: 13
                    Probably the real literature differs in that it evokes strong emotions.
                  2. +14
                    April 8 2023 11: 35
                    and plunged into the night sea. The quintessence of despair and impotence.
                    Scary
                    Real horror, this is a song about a poor fisherman who sailed from Naples into a stormy sea.
                    And his poor girl was waiting on the shore. She waited and waited until she did.
                    Then she threw off her last clothes and also threw herself into the stormy sea.
                    And this abyss swallowed her in one moment. Basically, everyone died.
                    That's where the horror, and tears, and love. Cinema and the Germans.
              2. +2
                April 8 2023 17: 09
                Somewhat later, cod fishing near Newfoundland became a powerful industry in a number of European countries. From data for 1773. France near Newfoundland had 264 ships (25 thousand tons displacement, 10 thousand crew), England 400 ships (36 thousand tons displacement and 20 thousand crew), 665 American ships (25 thousand tons displacement and 24,4 thousand crew). In total, taking into account the Dutch and other Europeans - 1500 ships and 90 thousand tons of fish were caught. Fishing was carried out on a line with hooks with a catch of 200-400 fish per catcher per day.
              3. +6
                April 8 2023 20: 01
                Hi Borisych!
                Fishing resources are still depleted. In the 18th century, cod fishing off the shores of the Newfoundland bank was more developed. Some fishing boats were larger than military frigates.
        2. +15
          April 8 2023 10: 15
          They hit the fish with a spear without aiming, and each blow brought a fish!
          I confirm that it used to be like this. I remember throwing a stone into the sky - you will knock down three geese for dinner, and poke into the forest without looking with a spear - you will definitely get into some kind of animal. These were the times before, not like now.
          1. +13
            April 8 2023 10: 23
            I confirm that it used to be like this ... These were the times before, not like now.

            You've been living a long time, haven't you?
            Methuselah means wassat )))
            love drinks hi )))
            1. +13
              April 8 2023 11: 31
              I have been living in the world for a long time - in my grandmother, in my grandfather,
              In a flea bug, in a mongrel turnip,
              In the dense sky, in a gilded cage,
              And I accumulate knowledge from century to century.

              But the world is terrible and the road is far,
              And I want, and they will not condemn strictly,
              Be small and trust in God.
              And I say: I'm only human.
              1. +11
                April 8 2023 13: 40
                . And I want, and they will not condemn strictly,
                Be small and trust in God.
                And I say: I'm only human.


                I will say briefly. It hit!
                1. +11
                  April 8 2023 14: 39
                  I will answer briefly.
                  This is Tatyana Vladimirovna Drygina, not me...
                  And here it hit
                  I was born so long ago
                  What I sometimes hear
                  How it passes over me
                  Cold water.
                  Tarkovsky. Not the one you thought. Arseny ..
                  1. +7
                    April 8 2023 17: 12
                    . Tarkovsky. Not the one you thought. Arseny ..

                    Dear, not the one, I perfectly understand who Arseniy and Andrei Tarkovsky are. In the film "The Mirror" by Andrei Tarkovsky, the poems of his father Arseny sounded. They say they later replaced it with Fet's poems. I should reconsider, but I don't like Terekhova.
          2. +6
            April 8 2023 15: 32
            "there were times before", I no longer found those times. So I'm still a kid?
        3. +7
          April 8 2023 12: 06
          Just awesome! They hit the fish with a spear without aiming, and each blow brought a fish!
          Herring? A new word in the fishing business, however.
          1. +7
            April 8 2023 12: 21
            Quote: Aviator_
            Herring?

            I don't know which one. Just read about it.
            1. +10
              April 8 2023 12: 26
              Just read about it.
              This has to do with river fish when they congregate in pits for the winter.
        4. +3
          April 8 2023 13: 56
          Quote: kalibr
          They hit the fish with a spear without aiming, and each blow brought a fish!

          On the Kola Peninsula, pink salmon is still caught with nets from the shore. Net with a diameter of a meter and a half on a three-meter handle. You lower it into the water, raise it, take out the fish, lower it. But this is only during the spawning run, of course.
          And in St. Petersburg, smelt will soon go en masse from the Gulf to Ladoga to spawn. The men, right in the city, go out to the bridges across various Neva channels and lower "TV sets" from them into the water - a mesh stretched over a wire frame. Lowered, held for a minute, raised. Two or three fish, sometimes more. You can lift twenty, thirty, fifty kilograms in a day.
          1. +3
            April 8 2023 15: 44
            I know TV very well. In the 8th grade with a friend, they put on a "TV", and the district policeman caught us.
            He demanded a steward, otherwise he would open a criminal case.
            I do not remember how many years the colony promised. Well, the old man - the Circassian intervened: that in his own way, the precinct was also an Circassian, he said. And then in Russian: you have to earn money yourself
    2. +11
      April 8 2023 11: 28
      Salted herring - "Irreplaceable snack" - this is from an advertisement in Soviet grocery stores. I saw it myself.
      There were many products differing in quality/taste.
      I remember from childhood that on the Amur, catfish and large killer whales / lashes pecked at the bait from the most "rusty" herring. And from the latter, fish and tasty cutlets were made very simply. Class!
      1. +11
        April 8 2023 13: 46
        . There were many products differing in quality/taste.

        And there was something that no one would believe now - there was roe inside the herring!!!
        This part of the herring was my favorite...
        And now this part is sold separately, at 1200, oversalted, in suspicious vegetable oil, obviously for additional preservation.
        And I'm not talking about green grass and blue skies.
        1. +6
          April 8 2023 14: 58
          Quote: depressant
          there was roe inside the herring!!!

          She is still there! Went and bought...
          1. +7
            April 8 2023 17: 16
            . She is still there! Went and bought...

            Vyacheslav Olegovich, it is clear that you live in some other world.
            In my world, all stores sell only male herring. recourse
            1. +3
              April 8 2023 17: 49
              Some kind of segregation of herrings by gender.
              1. +8
                April 8 2023 18: 56
                What has already been reflected almost in the classics of the author's song:

                A herring floated in the ocean,
                Twirling herring tail,
                Herring friends called Tanya,
                But, however, the song is not about that.
                She loved the fresh breeze
                She was thrown by the ninth wave,
                When in insidious networks
                The trawler caught Tanyusha.

                At first she had to be tight in a barrel -
                Lying in brine, as if delirious,
                Then Tanya found a friend -
                He lived in the seventeenth row.
                And not embarrassed by the many
                That they accuse her of sin,
                She walked along the barrel with him
                And kissed in the corner.

                By tying himself in a civil marriage,
                Tanya was happy
                And a midwife
                Tanya accepted spawning.
                And at the christening of the people
                There were many kind words
                In honor of the founder of the family
                Salted herring without heads.

                I don't care that there is not enough space in the barrel
                And not to be seen around,
                Tanyusha proudly counted
                Your lifestyle is urban.
                She, as in sweet nirvana,
                Spinning the wheel of life
                I dreamed about the ocean
                And in the morning I drank brine.

            2. +1
              April 8 2023 21: 23
              Quote: depressant
              some other world.

              I just buy herring at the market.
    3. 0
      April 8 2023 11: 57
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Interesting, but somewhere else?

      Nomads smile
    4. +2
      April 8 2023 14: 04
      Quote: kalibr
      I don't know which one. Just read about it.


      Probably halibut. Maybe cod, but not likely. Spicy herring is a fantasy.
  4. +5
    April 8 2023 05: 56
    at the Battle of Montlhéry in 1465, 38 arrows were used in one day

    I looked about this battle: there were few dead. Despite the fact that they cut a lot and fired from cannons. The consumption of arrows is quite large, but the effectiveness ..
    1. +5
      April 8 2023 09: 26
      Quote: Tlauicol
      The consumption of arrows is quite large, but the effectiveness ..

      Nothing changes
      In the First World War, an average of 7000 rounds of ammunition was spent per person who died.
      World War II - 25000 rounds
      Korean War (1950-1953) - an average of 50000 rounds
      Vietnam - about 200000 rounds
      Afghanistan - more than 250000 rounds
  5. +7
    April 8 2023 05: 58
    Since we are primarily interested in the production of weapons, it is worthwhile to draw a number of specific figures,

    Probably the very first production by the "in-line" method arose during the Persian wars. Consider Athens on the eve of Xerxes' invasion.
    170 triremes in two years!!!
    Then the Romans repeated this more than once, losing fleets in batches and building them for 100-200 ships a year. The answer was found off the coast of Italy, a trireme with a numbered set of hull parts was raised from the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea.
  6. +3
    April 8 2023 06: 31
    As an addition, I recommend T. Derry and T. Williams "A Brief History of Technology", a comprehensive book on 700 pages. Good morning everyone.
    1. +4
      April 8 2023 06: 57
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      700 pages

      Brief! What will be the length?
      1. +4
        April 8 2023 07: 15
        I agree, the name is in the British style, as in a joke.
    2. +7
      April 8 2023 07: 04
      The book is really very comprehensive!
      But alas, dry, the modern reader needs a twist.
      I would advise you to start with a collection of articles by Venitsky!

      1. Fat
        0
        April 8 2023 10: 09
        hi Hello Vladislav. A very good book by Venetsky turned out to be reprinted a lot.
        And if specifically about ferrous metallurgy, you can also read Mezenin, which is quite well read and not translated, which is important.
        1. 0
          April 8 2023 15: 49
          Borisych, good health. Here some metallurgists gathered: the namesake metallurgist and you too?
          1. Fat
            +1
            April 8 2023 18: 43
            Hello Slav. I am a civil engineer of TCM by education, I know it well, I managed to work in a foundry (aluminum and bronze). The basics and partly the history of foundry business are not alien. Most of the Soviet boys probably tried to "cast" "stray" for fishing from lead alloys, and for 12 years of my work experience I did it professionally, though not as a foundry worker, but as an engineer smile
  7. 0
    April 8 2023 06: 59
    The author writes:
    "The famine was caused by a series of crop failures in 1315, 1316 and 1321, combined with an outbreak of epizootics among sheep and oxen between 1319 and 1321 .... During the ensuing famine, many people died" (c)
    I would like to know more specifically what caused the epizootic and whether this disease was zoonotic.
    And further.
    It turns out that the metal tip of the bolt weighed 2,5 grams?
    (250 kg per 100000 bolts)
    Konstantin brought a photo of the bolts, for which special thanks to him! But, somehow a little, or did the author incorrectly translate pounds into kilograms?
    1. Fat
      0
      April 8 2023 11: 08
      hi Greetings, Alexander.
      Quote: ee2100
      It turns out that the metal tip of the bolt weighed 2,5 grams?

      Really very curious. I looked at how much the shell of a rifle bullet mod. 1908/30 weighs. It turns out that "the mass of the bimetallic shell of the modernized light bullet was 2,24 g" https://topwar.ru/12587-762-mm-vintovochno-pulemetnye-patrony.html
      The question is open. How much did iron, say, "armor-piercing tips" weigh, and how much did they "cut", taking into account that iron is not a heavy metal.
      1. 0
        April 8 2023 11: 27
        Good day, Andrey!
        In the early 90s I had a crossbow, not a replica, but a real one. Sold as a sports car. The arrow is made of plastic, and the tip is metal, turned on the machine. Weight somewhere around 30-40 gr. The lethal force is actually 200 meters. But it was really possible to hit the wall of a wooden house from 100-150 meters. There is no sight from the word.
        Each shot is almost a 100% lost arrow (bolt), if it is not found by it, and if it hit, then it could not be taken out of the tree and had to be broken off.
    2. +5
      April 8 2023 12: 23
      Quote: ee2100
      I would like to know more specifically what caused the epizootic and whether this disease was zoonotic.

      It's not written...
      1. 0
        April 8 2023 12: 35
        The author forgot to indicate the disease (diseases) that caused the epizootic laughing
        Can you clarify?
        1. +4
          April 8 2023 12: 54
          Quote: ee2100
          The author forgot to indicate the disease (diseases) that caused the epizootic

          What to clarify? There was no source in the text ... What was - in the text. The book is in front of you. You can open it yourself, look through it and check everything.
          1. 0
            April 8 2023 13: 18
            Why then write articles on other people's books.
            Write a bibliography and post it on the website. It is possible on sections and deal with the end.
            1. +5
              April 8 2023 15: 02
              Quote: ee2100
              Why then write articles on other people's books.
              Write a bibliography and post it on the website. It is possible on sections and deal with the end.

              Did that over and over again. He gave descriptions of magazines and articles. After his articles he placed a list of references. And ... almost all wasted. The magazine recommended was once read by only 1 person. According to the list read 2-3 no more. So it makes sense to write in your own words from other people's books.
  8. +1
    April 8 2023 07: 30
    However, there were many more professions at that time.
    Shalom, Orthodox!
    There were indeed many professions, as evidenced by an earlier source. The so-called "Book of Crafts", compiled in 1268 by the Prevost of Paris, Etienne Boileau. Translated into Russian, I recommend it for review.
    1. +10
      April 8 2023 10: 35
      Shalom, Orthodox!

      And you, Anton, do not get sick! )))
      Yes, I will not read anything and get acquainted with nothing!
      It is enough for me that the present titans of thought and memory have become acquainted with something important and, casually discarding the studied historical work, expressed their thoughts on this suitable occasion.
      I trust! wassat )))
      1. 0
        April 8 2023 11: 27
        Quote: depressant
        present titans of thought

        Iyuyuyuyu! As it is said! Bravo, adored!
        Quote: depressant
        I trust! )))

        Do not!
        You can only believe me. For? You!!! I will not let you down!
        Greetings to you Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
        1. +5
          April 8 2023 13: 43
          You can only trust me

          Well, finally you pierced my friend Muller! Otherwise, the Nuremberg Tribunal has been crying for you for almost a hundred years. bully
        2. +5
          April 8 2023 13: 52
          Dear Sergey Vladimirovich! love )))
          The bell did not ring, but I finally found your initial appeal to me and for the second time I wish you good health! )))
          The era proposed for consideration is tough, we need a warm-up before the evening conclusions)))
      2. +6
        April 8 2023 13: 59
        Quote: depressant
        I trust!


        Heh heh heh ... laughing
        1. +5
          April 8 2023 14: 48
          Heh heh heh ...

          And you hehehehe, Misha! wassat )))
          So after all, my initial trust is not in the authorities broadcasting black on white, but in those who created black on white.
          On the other hand, you can broadcast anything, right? And here a fair portion of trust arises in the final statements of the authorities - the sources that formed the basis of the arguments are selected with great historical taste.
          Aesthetics, you know... smile )))
        2. +5
          April 8 2023 15: 57
          Mish, good afternoon. Thank you Lioznova: I picked up wonderful actors.
  9. +10
    April 8 2023 07: 59
    There have been real Masters at all times and in many countries, the only pity is that not all of their products have survived to our time. But what remains is truly impressive.

    And all this deadly beauty was done literally on the knee.


    And this is a workshop for the manufacture of large caliber.
    1. +7
      April 8 2023 08: 06
      They say that you become a master when you create a masterpiece. Look at this beauty - and believe.
      1. +7
        April 8 2023 09: 05
        Look at this beauty - and believe.

        They can be posted here indefinitely, literally by force I forced myself to stop. smile


        1. +7
          April 8 2023 14: 55
          It's like in ancient Greece.
          There, any household item was made as a masterpiece.
          There were not many users.
          There was no concept of in-line production, which required simplifying the design and reducing the life of the product in the presence of constant demand.
          The label was not pasted: "Guarantee - 2 years".
          They would have been killed for that.
  10. +1
    April 8 2023 09: 26
    Meanwhile, there is a unique source from Germany XV-XVII centuries.
    ...
    And it happened that already in 1388 a charitable organization was created in Nuremberg, which first accepted 12 people in need and helped them find work, having previously taught the craft! Who they were, in what capacity and where they were arranged, was recorded in books called the “Home Books of the Nuremberg Fund of the Twelve Brothers”. Starting around 1425, their books were designed as follows: one-page illustrations of the people they helped, and text usually giving their names and the profession they were engaged in.

    Some information to clarify the above.
    The "Books of the Twelve Brothers" were kept from 1425 to 1806, when the Landauersche Zwölfbrüderhausstiftung, the home of the twelve Landauer brothers, was closed. That is, the books cover a period of almost four hundred years.
    There were two "funds" that kept the books.
    The first, the House of the Twelve Mendel Brothers, was established by the wealthy Nuremberg merchant Konrad Mendel, the elder (Mendel, the younger, founded the monastery in 1380).
    Twelve Nuremberg masters were admitted to it, who could still work, but due to their age and state of health, they could no longer provide for themselves. That is, "unskilled labor force" was not accepted into the brotherhood. They did not accept clergy either. In addition, one had to be a citizen of Nuremberg for at least ten years.
    In 1501, following the pattern and likeness of the previous House of the Twelve Brothers, another Nuremberg merchant, Matthäus Landauer, Jr., established.
    All illustrations are nominal, that is, each depicts a specific person, sometimes you can even find brief biographical data.
    In the first illustration in the article - brother Fritz. Only he is not a lamplighter, he is a "horn-maker" - a hornrichter. In the illustration, Fritz is working on a horn plate. Lanterns are for illumination.
    1. +4
      April 8 2023 16: 17
      Actually, there are lanterns there: 3 pieces weigh
  11. +7
    April 8 2023 10: 12
    . Already in 1388, a charitable organization was established in Nuremberg, which first accepted 12 people in need and helped them find work, having previously taught the craft!

    This is how, with a small number of people constantly dying from various misfortunes, growing capitalism, using the ancient methods of charity, lured workers.
    And then it will be replaced by a sweatshop on the assembly line and a 12-hour working day.
    1. +7
      April 8 2023 10: 37
      it will be replaced by sweatshops on the assembly line and a 12-hour work day.


      What a nightmare, God forbid. wassat



      Luda, hello. smile
      1. 0
        April 8 2023 11: 35
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Luda, hello.

        Damn!!!! How I envy * years old *! laughing
        1. 0
          April 8 2023 12: 40
          Damn!!!! How I envy * years old *!


          Decipher!!!
      2. +7
        April 8 2023 11: 44
        Luda, hello

        Hi Kostya! )))
        Recently, everyone has been filled with irony and is delving in particular, publishing pictures with stunning armor and amazing information about the technologies for their production.
        And I ... And I eagerly catch the twisting ribbons of trends - how did we get to such a life?
        So you smiled at my pathos, but meanwhile I did not mention the future queues for the labor exchange and strikebreaking.
        Everything is ahead for them, but for us it is a reality.
        And I feel sorry for them. Ate one herring.
        They say they didn’t even drink water, but beer. Because the water was dirty.
        1. Fat
          +7
          April 8 2023 12: 41
          hi Good day, Lyudmila.
          Quote: depressant
          They say they didn’t even drink water, but beer. Because the water was dirty.

          They slander! Nonsense! They drank water not from puddles, but from clean springs and wells. We have already discussed this. They drank beer because it was tasty and high-calorie (especially for dried voble) laughing .
          Rotten water was only on a long voyage, and therefore "bodyazhili" it with strong alcohol. Yes
          1. +7
            April 8 2023 14: 21
            They drank beer because it was tasty and high in calories.
            "Drink beer! It's delicious and the color is beautiful!" (K / f "Seven old men and one girl", 1969)
          2. +7
            April 8 2023 17: 24
            . They drank water not from puddles, but from pure sources.

            Good evening Andrey! )))
            Well, could I let in a little humor? Like "But the psoglavtsy already live outside this principality." wassat )))
    2. -3
      April 8 2023 10: 46
      This is how, with a small number of people constantly dying from various misfortunes, growing capitalism, using the ancient methods of charity, lured workers.

      The described case does not fit, there is really pure charity. People had guaranteed food, shelter and care in case of illness. And they worked "not for self-interest" but to the best of their ability. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
      1. -3
        April 8 2023 12: 11
        Quote: sergej_84
        And they worked "not for self-interest" but to the best of their ability. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

        Damn it! You know very well, don't you? About this
        Quote: sergej_84
        From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
        1. +7
          April 8 2023 12: 40
          Damn it! You know very well, don't you? About this

          Greetings, Sergey Vladimirovich! )))
          Yes, it is capitalism! He is able to cover the vile essence of a wolf with a sheepskin and still does it, often with the help of dummy figures in the form of movie and TV stars. I have heard more than once or twice that charity is an extremely profitable business. The unfortunate people get 10% of the collected funds, if at all, and the "philanthropists" get 90%.
          As you can see, capitalist charity as a profitable business began to roll in even in the era considered in the article.
          We did not immediately realize this, and then - away we go!
          Real charity in Russia is folk funds, silently collected by a penny by a lot of unexposed ordinary citizens - those for which things so necessary for our soldiers are purchased.
          By the way, the other day I went to the pharmacy to buy eye drops (the life of the drops is only a month, then the remnants are supposed to be thrown away), and there both pharmacists are busy servicing two women I know who, according to the list from the phone, bought a huge amount of medicines for the front. This is charity.
          Although I had to come later, I was glad.
          1. 0
            April 8 2023 12: 55
            Quote: depressant
            come in later

            Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            Glad to meet you! Right. You know, I don’t want to talk about Russia, but? Now I watched an old, old film. * Only old people go into battle *. What caught your eye? something else. Russia? The Union! That's a shame for him! My generation is responsible for its collapse. Mine! And personally, I! For what? For silence!!!
            1. +5
              April 8 2023 15: 17
              My generation is responsible for its collapse.

              Let me disagree.
              I don’t feel guilty about anything, but I feel like a victim.
              The Soviet generations were strictly and forcibly formatted, on the one hand, under subordination to their superiors, and on the other hand, under the impossibility of any consolidation and self-organization of citizens outside state institutions - such consolidation and self-organization that would be capable of anything. resist. In particular, the collapse of the Union.
              As for the change of the political system, inexperienced citizens were simply deceived. At first, everything looked like a continuation of perestroika, but then it was too late. It is worth noting that everyone was inexperienced in one way or another ...

              The XNUMXs and XNUMXs, having given some freedom to people, showed that generations capable of self-organization had arisen and brought up. It's scary for the government. One must think that the trend is subject to suppression. However, what to think! It's already being done. But that's another conversation.
          2. -3
            April 8 2023 13: 00
            As you can see, capitalist charity as a profitable business began to roll in even in the era considered in the article.

            You stubbornly promote the erroneous thesis that you formed solely in the field of your acquaintance with wild modern Russian capitalism. Apparently (this is not a reproach) you have not seen any other capitalisms. Charity in its original sense had nothing to do with profit and has nothing to do with it. Obviously, you have never heard of people like Thomas Coram or Jonas Hanway.
            1. +3
              April 8 2023 13: 19
              Quote: sergej_84
              Russian capitalism.

              Excuse me! Probably there is also some other / we both know what I mean. Like who you are. * Sergey 84 *? / bully
              Quote: sergej_84
              Thomas Coram or Jonas Hanway You've never heard of.

              Your truth!
              Quote: sergej_84
              did not hear.

              Well, I didn’t read it. I confess and admit it.
        2. -6
          April 8 2023 12: 43
          I still do not understand, your "damn it" - is it indignation or admiration? Or something beyond these two sensations?
          1. 0
            April 8 2023 13: 00
            Quote: sergej_84
            outrage or admiration?

            How can I tell you? You are a person from the past, from the Union. All the best is left there, isn't it? That's exactly why you come to this site. Nostalgia? Buddy?
            1. 0
              April 8 2023 13: 05
              You are greatly mistaken. On all counts. First, you can't live in the past while denying the present. No matter how bright it is. If you have no joy in the present, you lived in the past in vain. Why are you here if you have all the good things left there? Produce manure? Hanging out in modern times like a flower in an ice hole?
              So I'm not here because of nostalgia for the past.
              1. -1
                April 8 2023 13: 21
                bully
                Quote: sergej_84
                You are very mistaken.

                Viktor Nikolaevich! Hello!
              2. +3
                April 8 2023 15: 05
                Quote: sergej_84
                If you have no joy in the present, you lived in the past in vain.

                What wonderful words!
              3. +1
                April 9 2023 00: 40
                Quote: sergej_84
                Produce manure? Hang out in modern times like

                Fi. My friend!
          2. 0
            April 8 2023 13: 01
            Quote: sergej_84
            did not understand

            You understand everything very well.
          3. 0
            April 8 2023 13: 08
            Quote: sergej_84
            Delight

            Your knowledge? Yes! Your manners?..... No comments.
            I'm sorry.
            1. -6
              April 8 2023 13: 16
              Your manners?.....No comments.

              This point is of little interest to the general public. Specify in a personal, if it does not make it difficult. If it makes it difficult - no, and there is no trial.
              1. -1
                April 8 2023 13: 24
                Quote: sergej_84
                If it makes it difficult - no, and there is no trial.

                Of course. Rather, yes. However?
                1. -4
                  April 8 2023 13: 58
                  You already decide somehow - either put on your underpants, or take off the cross.
                  1. -1
                    April 8 2023 14: 05
                    Quote: sergej_84
                    underpants

                    Nuuuu. How .... not worth it, right. Huh? bully
              2. -4
                April 8 2023 13: 59
                Quote: sergej_84
                If it makes it difficult - no, and there is no trial.

                Come on, right. Your intellect betrays you. You are our * VO ear * scout! bully
                1. -2
                  April 8 2023 14: 01
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  ear

                  Advice for the future. Do not shine. Intelligence.. Not worth it. You understand, right?
  12. +13
    April 8 2023 11: 03
    Sea Cat (Konstantin), dear, Russia has always gone its own way. Under Peter 1, a knippel with two black and two gold cannonballs appeared in 1712 on the flag of the Olonets Dragoon Regiment. Catherine the Second, when approving the coat of arms of the city of Olonets, left the knipple in the lower part of the coat of arms, but without frills: the cores and chains were simply depicted in black.
    1. +12
      April 8 2023 11: 18
      Thank you, Eugene! smile
      Didn't know about it. I'll add an illustration to your comment.
      1 knippel with two black cores and two gold cores appeared in 1712 on the flag of the Olonets Dragoon Regiment.

  13. +2
    April 8 2023 11: 13
    I wish you all good health.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I leave you to my husband. Perhaps you can calm him down. Angry like a dog.
    1. 0
      April 8 2023 11: 31
      Quote from lisikat2
      Angry like a dog.

      And??? Do not you know the old way of life? Pacify her husband? bully
      1. -2
        April 8 2023 11: 32
        Quote from lisikat2
        husband

        Katerina! Are you blonde? laughing
    2. +14
      April 8 2023 11: 53
      I put a minus.
      So let your spouse register on the site, as expected, and enter into a discussion of the issue.
      Otherwise, everything looks as if my old version of an unshaven uncle with a can of beer in his hands, who walks around here and portrays two women, is true.
      1. -2
        April 8 2023 12: 02
        Quote: depressant
        about an unshaven guy with a can of beer in his hands, who walks around here and portrays two women

        Listen, yeah, come on, chancha, huh? Tibe, beer, small, huh??
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna!!!!
        Yes, just everything. It happens. And you know it. hi
        1. +7
          April 8 2023 13: 03
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna!!!!
          Yes, just everything. It happens. And you know it.

          Sergey Vladimirovich!!!
          But you, no matter how many cans of beer you have in your hand, one replacing the other, - you do not pretend to be a woman! wassat )))
          1. 0
            April 8 2023 14: 10
            Quote: depressant
            a woman

            I don’t even know. How to answer, dear. Beloved .. I’ll go change the battery. And then ???? Hockey!!!!
      2. +10
        April 8 2023 12: 12
        a version about an unshaven uncle with a can of beer in his hands, who walks around here and depicts two women.
        has the right to exist. Version, in the sense. There are many such "unshaven women", especially in the "news". The fact that my interlocutor is a woman, I can count such people on the fingers of one hand - you, Tatyana (read the works), Elena Frolovna (written in English), BTV (not seen for a long time), Measya (written in English, not seen for a long time ), Tatra (not seen for a long time). Perhaps that's it. Well, maybe I forgot who ..
        1. +10
          April 8 2023 12: 39
          Tatra sorry. "You enemies of the communists..." I got so used to it, but now it's like something is missing. request
          1. +4
            April 8 2023 12: 50
            Quote: Sea Cat
            enemies of the communists

            She was found and killed by the enemies of the communists. Rolled into hot asphalt on a highway under construction.
            1. 0
              April 8 2023 14: 22
              Quote: kalibr
              killed by communist enemies. Rolled into hot asphalt on a highway under construction.

              You are evil .. IN! Just a bandyuk from those times NIZZZZYA!
              1. +2
                April 8 2023 15: 09
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                Just a bandyuk from those times

                When I was a boy, I wore flared trousers, a straw hat, and a Finnish knife in my pocket. I slaughtered my dad, strangled my mother, drowned my sister, a schoolgirl, in the toilet - a song from my childhood!
            2. +2
              April 8 2023 15: 01
              "Rolled into hot asphalt" is not very funny
              1. +2
                April 8 2023 15: 32
                Quote from lisikat2
                not very funny

                But very practical!
          2. +2
            April 8 2023 13: 04
            Quote: Sea Cat
            You, the enemies of the communists ..

            Kostya, friend!!!! Well, what * Elusive Avengers * for what? Burnash? Fierce! And others??? drinks
          3. 0
            April 8 2023 14: 14
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Tatra sorry.

            Yeah! Like me and hockey, right? Although? She is more colorful, eh? bully Interestingly, has anyone seen her? In nature? laughing
        2. +15
          April 8 2023 12: 54
          There are many such "unshaven women" here, especially in the "news".


          Not the same as always!
          I laughed for a long time, and now I can’t stop smiling - thanks for the fun moments! )))
          As for Tatra, she changed her surname "Zhuravlyova" to "Sonina", leaving the name Irina" in the variant "Ira" (got married and got younger? laughing ), and is now available at Publicist.ru. The style is recognizable, you can't drink it away, but the "enemies of the communists" under the blows of the aesthetic or simply timid liberal public were replaced by "enemies of the Soviet regime and Russophobes."
          Such things wassat )))
          1. +10
            April 8 2023 14: 28
            As for Tatra, she changed her surname "Zhuravlyova" to "Sonina", leaving the name Irina "in the variant" Ira "(married and younger? laughing), and now it is acquired by" Publicist.ru ". The style is recognizable
            Thanks for the info. So she was wandering around doing a mission? The style, of course, was characteristic. Azef's cause lives on and wins!
          2. +10
            April 8 2023 14: 54
            With regards to "unshaven women" .. I have two versions of why men register here under female "nicknames" - one, let's say, this is for a psychiatrist. I’ll register as a woman - maybe these all sorts of people will regret the “girl” there, and they won’t draw any cons for me. PiSi Egoza still. One hundred and seventy-two percent when I'm sure that my interlocutor is a Woman.
            1. +1
              April 10 2023 16: 16
              I also remember: Housewife, Nastya Makarova (?), Diana and someone else, but now they are not visible.
          3. +5
            April 8 2023 15: 10
            Quote: depressant
            Such things

            Everything flows, everything changes! Even people!
      3. +1
        April 8 2023 14: 57
        * not shaved uncle "I shave every morning!
        1. +1
          April 9 2023 00: 29
          Quote from lisikat2
          "I shave every morning

          Is this Katya? bully Or who? bully
          1. +1
            April 10 2023 16: 18
            Probably her "faithful"
    3. +1
      April 8 2023 12: 52
      Quote from lisikat2
      Angry like a dog.

      Why, Katenka, you don’t know how to calm your husband down. For a woman, this is as easy as shelling pears. "Darling, come here... Closer... more... Mm-m-ah!"
      1. +7
        April 8 2023 13: 07
        Come on, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
        Do not trample on the truth that "the way to the heart of the torment lies through his stomach."
        I would add - complete!
        True, the aphorism does not specify the gender of the one who paves the way - a woman or a man wassat )))
        1. +7
          April 8 2023 15: 31
          The way to the torment's heart is through his stomach."
          I would add - complete!

          I would say, through which "the way to the heart of a woman lies", but I'm afraid of being misunderstood by the female part of the audience. M can also be added, but it is better not to. laughing
      2. -2
        April 8 2023 14: 36
        Quote: kalibr
        Honey, come here... Closer... more... M-m-m-ah!"

        Iyuyuyu!!!! I came!!! But? We seem to be on a patriotic site? No? And so? I'm ready !!!!
        1. +1
          April 9 2023 10: 11
          Fuck! Let's think, huh? Well, not Katya?
  14. +7
    April 8 2023 11: 15
    Very interesting !!
    ........................
  15. +7
    April 8 2023 11: 16
    And what - the crossbow bolt weighed only 2,5 g of iron ?? Doubtful!
    Author! Think critically before posting!
    1. +3
      April 8 2023 12: 35
      Quote: alexandr_vd
      Author! Think critically before posting!

      Why think when there is a source. If there is an error in it, well ... VO readers will find it.
      1. +7
        April 8 2023 13: 14
        Why think when there is a source.

        So you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, succumbed to an ironic mood!
        Truly they say: "Laughing, we part with the past."
        But ... "What is the coming day preparing for us? My gaze catches it in vain!" (C)
        My anxiety is not in vain. Look, even when our tomorrow began to roll in - already in the 12th century!
      2. +8
        April 8 2023 14: 31
        Why think when there is a source. If there is an error in it, well ... VO readers will find it.
        Exactly. This is not a royal business.
        1. +5
          April 8 2023 15: 13
          Quote: Aviator_
          This is not a royal affair.

          Sergey! You always have to be a little worse than you are. 80% of people like it very much. Reduces the "level of the hero".
          1. +5
            April 8 2023 18: 33
            Sergey! You always have to be a little worse than you are. 80% of people like it very much. Reduces the "level of the hero".
            That is, the "hero" works for the public? Then it is a circus, stage, stage, and not a literary publication. Playing the fool - will not become a habit? It's easy to stay there.
            1. +2
              April 8 2023 21: 11
              Quote: Aviator_
              Then it's a circus, stage,

              All life is a game, and we are actors in it. And you too! Everyone has their own role.
            2. +1
              April 8 2023 21: 17
              Quote: Aviator_
              That is, the "hero" works for the public?

              We don't like smart people. So why try? Here already gave one such advice. Quote: ArchiPhil
              ear
              Advice for the future. Do not shine. Intelligence.. Not worth it. You understand, right?

              I don't want them to give it to me. Remember what Raikin said? "Let everyone have everything, but let it be a little lacking." This also applies to journalism.
              1. +3
                April 8 2023 21: 51
                We don't like smart people. So why try?
                There is such a thing - either you enlighten the listeners, delicately pulling it to your level, or you go on about it. Tertium non datur
                1. +3
                  April 8 2023 21: 55
                  Agree. Especially if the listeners have a desire. It motivates you to fill in the gaps, especially if you hit someone somewhere or blurted out something.
                  1. +2
                    April 8 2023 22: 25
                    Especially if the listeners have a desire. It motivates you to fill in the gaps, especially if you hit something or blurted out something.
                    Quite right. If there is no motivation (like some of my students), I carefully hint to them that they do not need to suffer in a technical university, there are a lot of different things that you can do for personal and social benefit, but this is not yours. Unfortunately, many continue to have a "happy childhood" provided by their parents.
  16. +15
    April 8 2023 11: 30
    not the one, dear, in August 2000 for the first time visited the local history museum of the city of Zelenogradsk, Kaliningrad region. A photograph of the beginning of the 20th century was posted there: two fishermen on their shoulders hold a strong stick, on which a flounder is strung through the gills and mouth. The tail of the flounder almost touches the ground. That photograph did not look like a product of Kaiser Wilhelm's combined propaganda shooting ... In the early 70s of the 20th century, members of the Severodvinsk diving club "Dolphin", which was based in the sports building of the Lenin Komsomol Palace of Culture (today the Sevmash Shipbuilder's House), from we went with pleasure to the village of Katunino, Primorsky district, on Lake Kholmovskoye. They brought pikes, perches and buckets of crayfish. And then kerosene got into the lake from the warehouse of fuel and lubricants 574 of the Order of Lenin, the Red Banner Marine Missile-Carrying Aviation Regiment. And for some reason, the crayfish disappeared, and the fish became many times smaller ... Although, human activity is good for the fish. Until the 19th century, there was no sterlet in the rivers of the Northern Dvina basin. But the Catherine Canal appeared and the sterlet from the Kama basin moved to the Vychegda basin, and later to the Dvina. Today, in the Kholmogor region, you can catch a sterlet, downstream, it seems that salty tides from the sea prevent it from living, it comes across rarely and small.
    1. +7
      April 8 2023 13: 40
      photograph of the early 20th century
      The largest European flounder ever caught is a meter long. Halibut is not found in the Baltic.
      1. +7
        April 8 2023 17: 38
        Alex, humor appreciated)))
        I also saw another caption under this photo.
        Like, it's a grasshopper. Well, or such a locust.
  17. +3
    April 8 2023 12: 49
    V. Oh, out of harm, the illustrations are German, but the story is about England.
    1. +3
      April 8 2023 15: 15
      Quote: vladcub
      V. Oh, out of harm, the illustrations are German, but the story is about England.

      It's not my fault that British literature has left us nothing of the kind. What are rich -that and happy!
  18. +3
    April 8 2023 14: 00
    Vyacheslav, guys, good day.
    We have a sabotage at our plant: some kind of "radish", the fire extinguishing system was blown up. In October, they installed the newest one, and now do it on a new one
    Another 1st everything was fine, last night, accidentally discovered.
    Orders from the Ministry of Defense, there are not enough skilled workers. They recruited boys after college, and they found everything interesting.
    1. -2
      April 8 2023 14: 30
      Quote from lisikat2
      Orders from the Ministry of Defense, there are not enough skilled workers. They recruited boys after college, and they were interested in everything and found

      Well? Come on! Keep me posted! History, right, everyone is interested! bully
      1. 0
        April 8 2023 17: 06
        "everyone is interested" good health.
        You say that this can not be?
        Now it might not be
    2. 0
      April 8 2023 16: 54
      "there are not enough workers." I have an acquaintance who used to work at the "measuring" one, when they closed it in the "zero" ones, he swelled on the "black": he lacked a factory. Now on disability. Periodically "Kalymit * on trifles
  19. 0
    April 8 2023 14: 07
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    Probably the very first production by the "in-line" method arose during the Persian wars.


    The in-line construction of ships is the achievement of the Phoenicians.
    The Greeks and Romans adopted this technology from them. The Romans - specifically at Carthage, who brought the assembly of ships to perfection. However, perhaps something similar was with the Etruscans.
  20. 0
    April 8 2023 14: 12
    Quote: alexandr_vd
    And what - the crossbow bolt weighed only 2,5 g of iron ?? Doubtful!


    More than. The lethal force of such a bolt would be too small. 10-15 grams - more like the truth.
  21. +2
    April 8 2023 16: 37
    "nails by hand" in our village, there were forged nails.
    The godfather said that these are eternal nails
  22. +2
    April 8 2023 17: 46
    Vyacheslav, thanks for the material.
    "Shoemaker, where would we be without him" and without a baker and a weaver?
    In fact, the most basic ones are: collier, shoemaker, baker, weaver, blacksmith. They depended on each other
    1. +2
      April 8 2023 21: 14
      Quote from lisikat2
      In fact, the most basic ones are: collier, shoemaker, baker, weaver, blacksmith. They depended on each other

      There are 1300 illustrations. I hope that I will be able to break through a book about the crafts of the late Middle Ages and the beginning of the New Age in which these "pictures" will be illustrations. If you succeed, you will find out about it here on VO and then you can still buy it.
  23. +5
    April 8 2023 19: 28
    Bolt cutter (Alex), dear, thanks for the photo, appreciated it!
    But somehow I don’t really believe that you will argue that at the beginning of the 20th century, from all fishing boats and ships in the Baltic, the catch was sorted by type of fish, and all of them were measured and photographed. I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough photographers who want to go from the salon to the pier to meet the fishermen in any weather. And how much developer-fixer would be needed for the plates, and who WOULD pay for the work of the photographer? ... In the same East Prussia, in the lower part of the coat of arms of the city of Kranz (now Zelenogradsk), a flounder was depicted. And on the emblem of Neukuren (now Pioneer) there was a fisherman with a huge salmon on his shoulder. In the valley of Salmon Creek, the Germans organized a nature reserve. The salmon was spawning in that stream. And a salmon breeding plant was opened ... Salmon Creek today is called the Chistaya River in the city of Pionersky, Kaliningrad Region. Her photos and videos can be easily found on the Internet today ... After two World Wars, when everything in the Baltic, of any caliber, did not explode, and after World War 2, everything was flooded in it, for fish and seals the Baltic Sea today is just paradise ... In the early 90s of the last century, one of my friends in a pond (we call it: "pit") near the thermal power station No. 2 of Severodvinsk caught a carp weighing 12 kg on a bait. If I hadn't seen this fish with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it. Well, how is a 12 kg carp in the north? Here, somewhere in the Krasnodar Territory, yes, there and at 30 kg or more, such a fish grows, warm and satisfying ... Although, I saw with my own eyes a 8 kg nelma caught near the entrance stele to Severodvinsk in the early 2000s ... Yes, both in Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk, dozens of mallards live year-round for 30-35 years on warm waters that are discharged from the thermal power plant. Residents of Arkhangelsk often see them in the very center of the city on a fountain - an artificial ice cooler near the Sports Palace on Trade Union Square. And the people of Severodvinsk watch a flock of 70 ducks all winter near the former restaurant "White Nights" in the "square behind the mayor's office" between the streets of Gagarin - Plyusnin - Boychuk. Some of these ducks spend the night in a huge storm sewer pipe opposite the Sporting Goods store on the street. Lomonosov on the shore of "Lake Teatralnoe". Far North, February, frost, wind, sweeping. At about 15 p.m. at dusk, a man is walking along Truda Avenue, who has come to Severodvinsk for the first time on a business trip. And here it’s low, low from the city center, you can see the paws, mallard ducks rush over your head: 4 pieces, a couple, three more, a couple more, six, five ... A person’s eyes pop into his forehead with surprise ...
    1. +3
      April 8 2023 22: 26
      How spoiled the mallards in the cities are indescribable. But what do you take from the city ducks.

      But the geese, when they fly north and rest near Kologriv, are sensitively guarding the bey. You can love. But close - try to come closer.
  24. +1
    April 9 2023 22: 27
    Korsar4 (Sergey), dear, I have never been to the Kostroma region. The nearest settlement is Nikolsk in the Vologda region. I only read about geese near Kologriv.
    Over the past 30 years of shvaboda between Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk, many fields and meadows have become overgrown with bushes, trees and summer cottages. Geese have become much less likely to stop, they are trying to land on the islands in the delta of the Northern Dvina. But barnacle goose sit about 25-30 meters from the road and are not afraid of either vehicles or pedestrians ....