The Greek publication claims that the Russian hypersonic missile "Dagger" hit the underground NATO command bunker in Ukraine

The Greek Internet publication Pronews published an article in which it reports a “terrible” strike by a Russian hypersonic missile “Dagger” on a NATO underground command bunker in Ukraine. It follows from the publication that the command post was located at a depth of about 130 meters, it housed a joint Ukrainian-NATO control and communications center.

In total, according to the publication, about 300 people permanently lived in the bunker. Most of them are British and Poles, but there were also Americans and representatives of private companies responsible for organizing communications and data transmission.

The author claims that this is the first such effective strike against the headquarters with foreign specialists and NATO military personnel. Such a statement raises doubts about the reliability of the information, because, as you know, last year the RF Armed Forces already inflicted a defeat on a well-protected command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Chasov Yar area of ​​the DPR using the Dagger complex. This was officially announced on April 11 by the Russian Ministry of Defense. True, at that time it was not specified whether there were foreign military personnel and specialists there. There were also publications about the use of a hypersonic missile at a buried object in western Ukraine in the first half of 2022.

At the same time, the Greek publication reports that this event could have significant consequences "on the conduct of Ukrainian and Western operations and attempts to stop the Russian offensive on Bakhmut." As you know, in April last year, military operations in the Bakhmut (Artemovsk) region, especially offensive ones, were not conducted by the Russian army.

Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the use of hypersonic weapons on enemy facilities in their summary for the past few days was not reported.

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[RED_ICE]

“This statement raises doubts about the reliability of the information, because, as you know, last year the RF Armed Forces already inflicted a defeat on a well-protected command post of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Chasov Yar area of ​​the DPR using the Dagger complex.”
Can not understand anything ))

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

The author of the fake is a slop Greek site, the motto of which is:

Welcome to explore the fascinating world of Great Powers. You learn to realize that many things are not what they look like.

Welcome to the fascinating world of great powers. You learn to realize that many things are not what they seem.

[Mister X]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

The author of the fake is a slop Greek site

It turns out that this is an interpretation of the news about the use of planning bombs by the Russian Aerospace Forces on the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Konstantinovka

[igorbrsv]

. True, at that time it was not specified whether there were foreign military personnel and specialists there.

And now it's not clear. One Greek knows
Well, they failed and it’s good, but no, yes and ........

[poquello]

Quote: RED_ICE

Can not understand anything ))

this author is like that, he found the Greek press with a super-deep bunker, you need to read MO messages, there was a dagger, there was a communications center, and the rest of the time will tell

[Mister X]

Quote: RED_ICE

Can not understand anything ))

- Tell me, is it true that Abramovich won a million in the lottery?
- True, but not Abramovich, but Rabinovich,
not in the lottery, but in the cards,
not a million, but ten rubles
didn't win, but lost...

[tralflot1832]

The Greeks ate henbane! I believe if the Greek alone remained alive in this bunker and there is no reference to one.

[Nexcom]

It would be nice if this were true...

[Olesya Lesya]

It seems that not so long ago a message slipped in the TG from ours and from the Ukrainians that there was a use of the Dagger on the bunker. I have read this from several sources. And our people talked about the dagger, but there was no clarification. The dagger was needed for deep penetration. Most likely something was struck, but there were no exact reports.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Olesyai Lesya

It seems that not so long ago a message slipped in the TG from ours and from the Ukrainians that there was a use of the Dagger on the bunker.

Yeah. And about Chasov Yar that year it was, including here. Alas, in our country a phenomenon that I would call "dizziness from military secrets" is extremely popular. Its meaning is to declare a military secret everything that the hands and an empty head can reach. There are countless problems and losses that the USSR, and then Russia, suffered from this phenomenon.
But this does not stop the fanatics of military secrets. Apparently, the fact is that putting a signature stamp on something "secret" is not necessary at all. But then you can walk around with your chest puffed out like a wheel, and it is important to say that they say "I protect the interests of the State." Most rabid secrets in life have nothing more to brag about, but here is such an opportunity! Ugh...

[Peter1First]

In my opinion, 130m is a bit too much even for a dagger ...

[invisible_man]

Too much even for nuclear weapons. Another fake, although many will like it).

[BARKAS]

It remains to understand what is fake in the depths of the bunker or in the very fact of using a dagger.

[invisible_man]

Daggers were used in Ukraine, and successfully. But 130 meters ... Even if we hypothetically assume that such bunkers exist). Guys, be serious. It is not a fact that they will be destroyed by a direct hit from a megaton nuclear bomb. We are talking about a ground explosion, mind you. Air will not make any sense at all.

[bk316]

It is not a fact that they will be destroyed by a direct hit from a megaton nuclear bomb.

If the shelter is not suspended, then the fact is. due to seismic.

[invisible_man]

The ones on the hanger were 30-45 meters deep (at least the ones I know about). A powerful nuclear weapon is guaranteed to destroy them. But these are command posts for launching ICBMs. It was understood that they would fulfill their task until the moment when the enemy’s weapons reached them.

[bk316]

Those on the suspension were 30-45 meters deep

You know a little.

[poquello]

Quote from invisible_man

We are talking about a ground explosion, mind you. Air will not make any sense at all.

)))) like a dagger flies and explodes above the ground? you should at least watch a movie about a warehouse dagger attack, it should be on the network)

[invisible_man]

Probably a fascinating pastime: to attribute some nonsense to the opponent and immediately refute it :)

[poquello]

Quote from invisible_man

Probably a fascinating pastime: to attribute some nonsense to the opponent and immediately refute it :)

about how, but this is not your nonsense?

Quote from invisible_man

We are talking about a ground explosion, mind you.

[invisible_man]

Talk about a ground explosion

Well, not a "dagger", but a nuclear one. Isn't it clear from the context?

[poquello]

Quote from invisible_man

Well, not a "dagger", but a nuclear one. Isn't it clear from the context?

very interesting, that is, instead of a deep, underground defeat with a dagger, we are considering a ground detonation of nuclear warheads? why not a high-altitude explosion? there is even less impact.

[invisible_man]

Are you another victim of the wunderwaffle myth? "Dagger" is not capable of hitting objects to a depth of tens and hundreds of meters. From the word "completely". He has only 500 kilos of conventional explosives in his warhead - 50 kilos more than the "Caliber". This is just a very fast and maneuverable missile, which is impossible to fight with air defense systems.

[poquello]

Quote from invisible_man

Are you another victim of the wunderwaffle myth? "Dagger" is not capable of hitting objects to a depth of tens and hundreds of meters. From the word "completely". He has only 500 kilos of conventional explosives in his warhead - 50 kilos more than the "Caliber". This is just a very fast and maneuverable missile, which is impossible to fight with air defense systems.

do you need to repeat twice or the main thing is to yell?

Quote: poquello

you should at least watch a movie about a warehouse attack with a dagger, it should be on the network)

[vadimtt]

And here VV?
A dagger in a certain design is an analogue of the "Bunker buster" - 15-20m of stressed heavy concrete is not an obstacle for him. However, 130m of dense soil is approximately equal to 25-30m of such concrete. And yes, the explosive explodes after passing through obstacles, when the accelerometer detects that the resistance is gone, which means that a void has been reached - the habitable compartments of the bunker - or just the warhead has stopped, a little before reaching the voids. And the case will still be completed by VV.

[vargo]

I will add that on other resources they also discussed the option where the bunker is built vertically. When the bunker is not 130 meters of soil, and then the premises, but when the bunker starts at a depth of 20-60 meters and has a length down the floors. So to destroy a target at a depth of 130 meters, it is enough to get into the upper floors and then the warhead works. That is, in fact, if people at a depth of 130 meters were and even suffered / died, then in the newspapers they will write: "The dagger hit people in a bunker at a depth of 130 meters" Are you savvy? What sounds like 130 meters is not necessarily 130 meters of soil + concrete.

[invisible_man]

Yes, read already how much bombs (bombs!) of the GBU-57 type weigh, capable of hitting buried objects allegedly up to 60 meters. 14 tons! 14 tons, Carl!

[Sanichsan]

Quote from invisible_man

14 tons! 14 tons, Carl!

Did you not have physics at school yet, or did you skip it? are you not shocked by the penetrating power of a bullet weighing only 9 grams? or do you not understand the difference between a free-falling bomb and a hypersonic missile with a multiple of higher speed?

[invisible_man]

No, it doesn't. For there are limits to this penetration. And if we talk about more or less dense media, then they are not so significant (and sometimes quite insignificant :) ). Speed ​​in this case is not a panacea if the mass is "so-so".

[Andrey Moskvin]

Deep in defeat. Maybe there are physics here, calculate from speed and weight.

[Boa kaa]

Quote from invisible_man

Too much even for nuclear weapons.

Yah!!!
You can't even imagine what kind of funnel a deepened SBP with a capacity of Q=100 kt will "dig out"! in a circle (SKVO) = ​​50 m, if it is "sent" by a hypersonic warhead !!!
And what about the "seismic" impact of such a BZ did you hear ???
That's it ...

[Guran33 Sergey]

last year, a Soviet anti-nuclear bunker in the Western region was killed with a dagger, and this is deeper than 150 meters ..

[Rage66]

Well, if only it was sirloin dagger

[incognoto]

it’s 50/50, oddly enough, both sides are not very interested in disclosing

[dmi.pris1]

And why is the bunker not a kilometer deep? Something is a bit small, only 130 meters ... Lord, what nonsense. The mining and chemical plant in Zheleznogorsk is at a depth a little lower. There really are rocks. But this is understandable and justified ..

[Daishi]

depth 130 meters?
and what will one dagger do there?

[incognoto]

imagine what kind of kinetic power there is? it is not necessary to break it through; it is enough to make a collapse of the rock, and more and more likely the people who were there will remain there forever

[tatarin1972]

As a mining engineer, I say that he rather moved the rock formation, with a good shift, the workings, even when concreting with reinforced concrete and dubbing, could collapse. But only in this case it was necessary to hit the point of greatest tension.

[vargo]

to the point of greatest tension

Ukraine is just now a very tense point.

sorry for the pun)

[dmi.pris1]

For reference. The depth of the "Stalin's bunker" in Kuibyshev-Samara does not even reach 40 meters. In Ukraine, standard Soviet standard shelters.

[Andrey Moskvin]

You do not know, in such bunkers there are separate branches with an exit? There is not just one elevator or stairs ...

[dmi.pris1]

Of course, I am aware. I have been in more than one such shelter. How does this fit in with the forty-story depth of the structure that the Greeks told about?

[Andrey Moskvin]

You did not answer . I'm talking about the collapse of the rock described above, and the inability to get out.

[dmi.pris1]

I didn’t understand here. Did I write something about a collapse? I know that nonsense has been written about the depth of this shelter. About the fact that it does not have emergency exits or did not write about collapses at all. distance, so that the four-story building does not block the exit. It was also done under the regional administration., For example

[NKT]

Someone said about 130m and away we go.

ZKP of the Warsaw Pact countries in Belarus - depth 62m

[Boa kaa]

Quote from Daishi

depth 130 meters?
and what will one dagger do there?

Wake up! The Greek obviously lied: the "bunker" cannot be at a depth of 130 m. In the capital of dill, the hero city of Kiev, the DEEPEST metro station ARSENAL is located at a depth of 75 m (!). And in some kind of darkness, cockroaches "dug" a hole as deep as 130 m ... And why did they "dig" this? And then, why should the staff "live" there?
Something doesn't fit here...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Wake up! The Greek obviously lied: the "bunker" cannot be at a depth of 130 m.

I bet it started with "reliable" sources from British intelligence. and the British, as they should, wrote 130 feet (40 meters) which the Greek journalists turned into 130 meters.

[kenpachi]

Um, bridges means the dagger does not take, but the bunker did. Interesting squiggle

[incognoto]

the dagger was not used on bridges, on either side there was no report about the use of daggers on such objects

[Arsen1]

Didn't use Iskanders either?) it's the same thing

[Chief Officer Lom]

Quote from kenpachi

bridges means the dagger does not take, but the bunker took

I have not met a reliable description of the mechanics of the impact of the Dagger on the affected object, only assumptions. Perhaps this information is secret. But I can assume that when the Dagger hits the underground bunker, everything inside will be destroyed by huge pressure and debris from structures, but if it hits the bridge, a through hole will simply be punched, say a few meters, and all excess energy that can break through several more bridges in a row will dissipate in the air over the bridge.

[Volunteer Marek]

130 meters? What's in the mine? There may be 300 meters. Here only a vigorous warhead can handle it.

[Nexcom]

They are simply terrified of this Dagger. Here they are dispersing horror stories

[Blacksmith 55]

Yes , one name Dagger already inspires fear .
I affirm that the Dagger can pierce the whole Earth, and explode somewhere in America.
))))))

[Prisoner]

"-Destroyed..., write up to 14 spirits.
So three of them got busted.
- Write 14. Do you feel sorry for something? (Conversation of the company commander with the political officer.) Let them write. Maybe there are these bunkers like fleas on a yard terrier?

[2112vda]

This information refers, to put it mildly, to the echoes of what has already happened in the Dnieper. There was information about the defeat of a buried command post on the territory of one of the factories. Allegedly, there was some kind of command post. How many foreign people were there and what nationality they were, this is a great secret. But information slipped through that there was a serious kipish after the blow, and after that the zeleboba was seriously saddened. Looks like they got somewhere, maybe in the storehouse of "coke" here is a green bean and in sadness.

[Glagol1]

It's fake. A bunker at a depth of 130m cannot be destroyed like that.

[Puzoter]

In fact, at a speed of Mach 8, a special concrete-piercing warhead is very possible. In the same place, not 130m of concrete, but in total 10-15 meters maybe. If an ordinary concrete-piercing bomb pierces 6 meters, then a hypersonic dagger will only pierce 10 meters.

[certero]

Surprise is only one thing - what does this news on the resource? After all, military review is still the media, and why drag news from such garbage dumps?

[Sergey Muravyov]

How is it from the dumps? Hangs on Yandex. Unless Yandex began to play the role of that fence ...

[kakvastam]

The Greeks from Greece can see everything ...
And why reprint it?

[Bekkham Ali]

The beginning of action or just imagined?

[Graz]

I do not exclude that there is no smoke without fire, and something where it really can and slammed

[Aviator_]

A lot of suffering on the topic: "this cannot be because in Kuibyshev Stalin's bunker was at a depth of 40m." Well, it was built when there were no nuclear weapons yet. Further. And how do commentators imagine the defeat of a buried object? It seems not at all. From reliable: in 2022 there was already a use of the Dagger on the old Soviet nuclear weapons storage facility in the Carpathians. Depth 128 m. Air missiles were stored there. Significantly detonated. I think this was helped by the placement of the object in the rock mass - the shock wave goes through it very well. It seems that the elimination of the control center also went well, albeit without detonation.

[invisible_man]

the use of the Dagger on the old Soviet storage of nuclear weapons in the Carpathians. Depth 128 m.

Fake. Alas. "Daggers" were used in underground warehouses, but not so deep.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Aviator_

A lot of suffering on the topic: "this cannot be because in Kuibyshev Stalin's bunker was at a depth of 40m."

40 meters? 40 meters = 130 feet. coincidence?

[opuonmed]

well, they can write at least what they can, but what really xs

[former soldier]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has not reported on the use of hypersonic weapons on enemy targets in its reports over the past few days.

From Greece, from Mount Olympus, you can clearly see which instant-31 and where and with what it hit.

[Sergey Muravyov]

The Greeks did not say that they climbed Olympus: they heard from their sources in NATO ...

[Iris]

9% fake. The duck was launched on March XNUMXth by an office called theinteldrop.org. Greeks, greedy for fried, reprinted. Then the simple-minded were found with us. The duck was sucked two weeks ago and immediately forgotten. Why return to this again, and even on the pages of VO, which is trying to position itself as conscientious?

[Grandfather Fichteau]

about the "terrible" strike by the Russian hypersonic missile "Dagger" on the underground NATO command bunker in Ukraine.

Zelensky is not touched, we need him alive)))
Maybe all this is fake, but we also need them .. The formidable weapon of the Russians will get everyone !!! That's the whole point..
It is necessary to launch such fakes more often, the Western layman is gullible and stupid .. Let them shake!

[igorlvov]

Well, with a jar of tomatoes Khokhlukha drones shoot down and are not shy)

[Egor Adashev]

Not a "wolf's lair" by any chance, is it?

[Popov I.P.]

The fact that the use of "Daggers" at Ukrainian facilities is expanding is an indisputable fact, the ukrospeakers themselves admitted that as many as 6 "Daggers" were supposedly used in the last mass arrival. Previously, there was the fact of the defeat by the "Dagger" in Western Ukraine of the buried former facility GUMO-12 of the USSR Ministry of Defense, which was turned into a storage facility for NATO ammunition. In our case, the depth of 130 m is doubtful. I don’t recall such deepened command posts in Ukraine from the times of the USSR: the command posts of the 3 military districts, the command post of the missile army in Vinnitsa and the command post of the air defense army were objects of a shallow "occurrence", or even in general bunded type structures. The control rooms of the republican and regional leadership of the Ukrainian SSR were most often ordinary basements under the buildings of administrations and regional committees. I deeply doubt that in impoverished independent Ukraine anything like this new was being built. But it is also impossible to completely exclude the presence of "deep" objects in Ukraine: 1. Data on the objects of the former GUMO-12, including the SSK seismic stations - information is very closed even now
2. In several cities of Ukraine there are subways and unfinished facilities, but at what depth are they? 3. Dark Forest - underground shelters and other facilities of industrial enterprises and not only the military-industrial complex (remember Azovstal in Mariupol or even a champagne factory in Artemovsk) 4. Objects of the former USSR state reserve (underground warehouses) - also not widely used information 5. On Ukraine had a lot of mines, including closed ones. During this conflict, the Ukrainian side distinguished itself by skillfully using purely civilian objects to conceal military potential (remember, for example, a shopping center in Kiev, in the ancillary premises of which the Uragan MLRS and ammunition were hidden) and by obtaining the maximum propaganda effect in case of their defeat.

[polar bear]

130 meters? To a depth of 45-50 floors into the ground? The Greeks have a wild fantasy, though, and it's nice that they believe in such fabulous possibilities of the dagger. Rather, someone hastily attributed zero.

[hermit]

And why would the ICC suddenly issue an arrest warrant for Putin? If they really covered the checkpoint, on which there were Poles, British and Americans, then it is quite understandable.

[Private SA]

Quote from invisible_man

Too much even for nuclear weapons.

I believe that 20 Megatons in a ground explosion would still be torn apart.

[220 volts]

If anyone is interested, this news is a clear echo of an article by a very productive author, Alexander Sitnikov, from the Svobodnaya Pressa website. By the way, does he write here?
https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/364901/