How Konev, Reuters and Rokossovsky tried to defeat Army Group Center

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How Konev, Reuters and Rokossovsky tried to defeat Army Group Center
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"Rzhev meat grinder"


During the offensive of the Red Army in the winter of 1941–1942, a ledge was formed in the western direction in the enemy’s defenses (up to 160 km in depth and up to 200 km wide at the base). The front line ran west of Bely, north and east of Rzhev, west of Yukhnov, east of Spas-Demensk. The German headquarters attached particular importance to holding the ledge, considering it as a springboard for a new offensive against Moscow. In the winter of 1942–1943 more than a third of the troops of the Army Group "Center" were concentrated here (9th Army, forces of the 3rd tank and 4th armies).




Soviet troops on American medium tanks M3 "General Lee" enter the liberated city of Vyazma

The Soviet Headquarters also attached great importance to this direction, trying to destroy the enemy bridgehead aimed at the capital. In winter - spring 1942, the troops of the Kalinin and North-Western fronts carried out the Rzhev-Vyazemsky operation. In July - October 1942, the Kalinin Front went on the offensive again - the Rzhev-Sychevskaya strategic offensive operation. In November - December 1942, the Soviet armies again tried to defeat the German 9th Army - the Second Rzhev-Sychevskaya strategic offensive operation (Operation Mars). The Red Army was unable to defeat the Wehrmacht in the Moscow direction during these long and bloody battles.

В history this battle was included as one of the longest and bloodiest, the "Rzhev meat grinder", in which, according to various estimates, from 1 to 2 million Soviet soldiers were lost killed and wounded. Only in March 1943, when the German 9th Army left the ledge, did the Soviet troops
pushed the front line away from Moscow by another 130–160 kilometers.


German 88 mm anti-aircraft guns (8,8 cm FlaK 36/37) on a railway platform in occupied Rzhev. Noteworthy is the number of white rings on the gun barrels - marks of damaged vehicles


German anti-aircraft gunners at the bridge across the Volga in the occupied Rzhev. Winter 1942. In the center is a German 37 mm FlaK 37 anti-aircraft gun.


German anti-aircraft battery on railway platforms in occupied Rzhev. 88-mm guns (8,8 cm FlaK 18/36) are installed on the distant platforms, a pair of 37-mm anti-aircraft guns (3,7 cm FlaK 37) are mounted on the right side of the platform

Plans of the Soviet Headquarters


The Soviet Headquarters in the winter of 1943 planned to conduct a series of successive operations in the western (central) direction in order to defeat the German armies and finally push them back from Moscow. First, with concentric strikes by the troops of the Bryansk and the left wing of the Western Fronts, defeat the 2nd German Panzer Army, liberate Oryol and Bryansk. Then develop the offensive on Smolensk, go to the rear of the Rzhev-Vyazma grouping, and with the armies of 4 fronts encircle and destroy the main forces of Field Marshal von Kluge's Army Group Center (2nd and 3rd tank, 4th and 9th field armies ). In the group "Center" there were 77 divisions and one brigade, more than a third of the forces were on the Rzhev bridgehead.

The commander of the Western Front (ZF), Konev, in cooperation with the right wing of the Bryansk Front (BF), was supposed to strike with the forces of the 16th Army, reinforced by the 9th Tank Corps, in the general direction through Zhizdra to Bryansk. Then the 50th and 10th armies were to advance in the general direction to Roslavl, part of the forces - to Yelnya. The commander of the BF, General Reuter, was given the task of defeating the enemy's Oryol-Bryansk grouping. The 48th Army advanced on Orel, covering it from the southwest, the 3rd Army attacked from the east, and the 61st Army attacked from the north, through the Volkhov. This led to the encirclement and defeat of the main forces of the German 2nd Panzer Army. The 13th Army, in cooperation with the 16th Army of the Polar Front, was supposed to liberate Bryansk.

A special role was assigned to the troops of the Central Front (CF) under the command of Rokossovsky. The front was created on February 15, 1943 on the basis of the disbanded Don Front. The new front was deployed north of Kursk between the Bryansk and Voronezh fronts. The front was to include the 21st, 65th, 70th combined arms, 2nd tank, 16th air armies, a number of formations from the Stavka reserve. Rokossovsky's armies were to reach the Dnieper in the region of Gomel and Orsha, making a deep envelopment of the right wing of Army Group Center in order to defeat the main enemy forces in a huge cauldron in the Smolensk region, together with the troops of the Kalinin and Bryansk fronts.


Maloarkhangelsk operation


The fronts of the central direction went over to the offensive at different times, as soon as they were ready. The BF troops went on the offensive first. From the beginning of February 1943, they continuously attacked enemy positions. On February 12, Pukhov's 13th Army and Romanenko's 48th Army, trying to bypass Oryol from the southeast and south, resumed their offensive against the right wing of the German 2nd Panzer Army. Due to the lack of serious mobile formations, the offensive of the two armies was reduced to frontal attacks on enemy positions. The interaction of the Soviet armies was weak. The German command had already withdrawn part of the troops from the Rzhev-Vyazemsky bridgehead, several divisions were transferred to the Oryol direction, strengthening its defense.

The Oryol (Maloarkhangelsk) operation did not lead to success. For a month of stubborn fighting, our troops penetrated the enemy's defenses by 10–30 km. The troops were forced to stop the offensive at the Novosil, Maloarkhangelsk, Rozhdestvenskoye line. The front line remained there until the end of the summer of 1943. The losses were large (over 50 thousand people). March 12, the Bryansk Front was abolished, Reiter headed the Reserve Front.

Other participants in the large-scale plan conceived by the Headquarters to defeat Army Group Center did not have time to prepare for the operation. So, the task of preparing the operation to liberate Bryansk, the commander of the 16th army, General Bagramyan, received on February 9. The army was seriously reinforced with infantry, tanks and artillery. But the main part of the reserves arrived already in the course of the operation, with a great delay, and they were not introduced into the battle at the best moment. Bagramyan simply could not gather all the divisions at the starting line in a few days, organize interaction and supplies, and establish reliable communications.

The troops of the former Don Front, the new Central Fleet, simply did not have time to move from the Stalingrad region to a new location. The only restored single-track railway could not cope with the transfer of several armies.

“Transportation plans were bursting at the seams,” Rokossovsky recalled. - The traffic schedule was violated. Applications for echelons were not satisfied, and if trains were submitted, it turned out that the cars were not suitable for transporting personnel and horses ...
Mixed formations began to arrive in the area of ​​​​concentration. The material part of the artillery was unloaded for its intended purpose, and the horses and vehicles were still in place.
There were also cases when equipment was unloaded at one station, and troops at another. Echelons were stuck at stations and sidings for several days.

As a result, many units and rear institutions remained near Stalingrad. The area of ​​concentration, just liberated from the enemy, was not prepared to receive such a large mass of troops and equipment. Off-road exacerbated the situation.

Therefore, it was not possible to form the Central Front by February 15, 1943 and at the same time launch an offensive. Thus, the administration of the 65th Army arrived in Yelets only on February 18, and the main forces of the army - a week later. The 21st Army completed the transfer only by the beginning of March. Tarasov's 70th Army, recruited from the personnel of the border and internal troops of the NKVD, the newly formed 2nd Rodin Tank Army and Kryukov's 2nd Guards Cavalry Corps were transferred from the Stavka reserve to the Central Fleet. But they didn't succeed either. Of the more than 400 tanks of the tank army, after a 270-kilometer march to the starting line in the Fatezh area, only a little more than 100 vehicles reached the appointed time, without artillery, rear units, almost without fuel and provisions. The cavalry corps arrived without guns, convoys, ammunition and fodder. Tarasov's army had to make the hardest winter march, breaking through snowdrifts and snowstorms, dragging guns and materiel on itself.

As a result, the start of the operation was postponed three times, and all the same, the armies of the Central Fleet launched an offensive in parts. The 65th and 2nd tank armies launched the offensive first, the rest of the troops were brought into battle upon arrival. The result was obvious. The rush didn't do any good. It is obvious that the Soviet command was sure that the enemy was broken, it was only necessary to finish him off. Hence the overestimation of one's own forces and the underestimation of the enemy.


Women clear rubble on the street of the liberated Maloarkhangelsk.

Zhizdra operation


On February 22, 1943, the 16th army of Baghramyan ZF went on the offensive. A strike group of 6 rifle divisions and 4 tank brigades attacked in a 16 km zone and was supposed to capture Zhizdra and Lyudinovo by the end of the first day. From this line, a mobile group consisting of the 9th Panzer Corps, a rifle division and a ski regiment entered the battle, which received the task of liberating Bryansk with a quick throw.

However, our troops were unable to break through the enemy's strong defenses (two German infantry divisions) on the move. Our reconnaissance did not open the enemy’s defenses, artillery hit the squares, aviation acted unsatisfactorily. In addition, German intelligence revealed the preparation of the Russians for the offensive. The German command sent reinforcements to a dangerous place in time. The German Air Force was active. The Germans counterattacked.

The command of the ZF threw in the battle suitable units of fresh divisions. The Germans also transferred new reinforcements, divisions that were released after the withdrawal of troops from the Rzhev bridgehead. The battle turned into a "meat grinder", both sides suffered heavy losses.

By the beginning of March, Baghramyan's army had advanced 10–13 km and had exhausted its offensive potential. The 16th Army halted the advance to put the troops in order and await the arrival of reinforcements. On February 27, Konev was removed from the post of commander of the Western Front with the wording "as he had not coped with the tasks of leading the front" and recalled to Moscow. Sokolovsky was appointed commander of the ZF.

On March 7 and 19, the 16th Army again tried to break through the enemy defenses, achieving local successes. But she was deprived of the 9th Panzer Corps, which was transferred to another sector of the front, and Baghramyan's army could not develop success. The Germans pulled up three more divisions and recaptured a number of positions. ZF finally went on the defensive.


Destroyed German Focke-Wulf Fw.190A fighter at the airfield in Bryansk. March 1943

Sevskaya operation


Rokossovsky's troops were able to go on the offensive on February 25, 1943. The Dmitriev-Sevskaya offensive operation, also known as the Sevsko-Oryol offensive operation and the Sevskaya operation, began.

The main blow from the Kursk-Fatezh line in the general direction to Sevsk with the task of intercepting the Bryansk-Gomel railway was delivered by the 65th Army of Batov (7 rifle divisions and one brigade, an artillery division and 5 separate tank regiments) and the 2nd Tank Army Rodin ( 11th and 16th tank corps, guards tank brigade and regiment, 2 rifle divisions and one rifle brigade, anti-aircraft artillery division). On the right wing, Tarasov's 70th army (6 rifle divisions) was advancing, aimed at Dmitrovsk-Orlovsky. On the left wing there was a cavalry rifle group (3rd and 4th Guards Cavalry Divisions, 3 ski brigades and 2 separate tank regiments), which was advancing on Novgorod-Seversky. The front included over 250 thousand people (excluding the 21st Army) and about 600 tanks.

The operation looked smooth only on paper. Already at the stage of formation of the Central Front, big problems began, they pursued the front further. Most of the tanks and artillery of the tank army were still on the march by the beginning of the operation due to lack of fuel and bad roads. By the beginning of the operation, out of 408 tanks, only 182 tanks were able to go into battle. The main forces of Batov's 65th army made a 60-kilometer march from the place of unloading to the starting line and immediately went into battle. The 70th Army also made a heavy march. The 21st Army has just begun unloading in the Yelets area. In the cavalry rifle group, only the 2nd Guards Cavalry Corps arrived on time. The skiers were on the march, the tanks were waiting for fuel in Livny. Of the 20 artillery and mortar regiments of the Reserve of the Supreme High Command assigned to the front, not one arrived.

Rokossovsky noted that due to the haste of the transfer of armies to a new area, the troops were not familiar with the area, did not conduct reconnaissance, the formations were without transport and communications, supplies. The offensive had to be launched on the move, without reconnaissance, study of the terrain, without rear lines, means of reinforcement, on limited supplies of fuel and ammunition.

However, the start of the operation was quite successful. The 11th tank corps of General Lazarev was the first to go on the offensive. On the evening of February 24, 1943, the forward detachments of the corps launched an offensive. Then the 16th Panzer Corps struck. Fearing the "bag", the Germans left Dmitriev-Lgovsky. To the south, Kryukov's cavalry corps successfully launched an offensive. But the 65th army of Batov immediately ran into a strong enemy defense, every height and village had to be taken with heavy fighting. On the day the army slowly pressed the enemy for 2–4 km.

On March 2, our tankers liberated Sevsk. A day later, without encountering strong resistance and advancing 30 km, Soviet tanks were at the Suzemka station, on March 3 - at the Seredina-Buda station. Army Motherland intercepted the iron line Bryansk - Konotop. On March 7, Soviet tanks reached the left bank of the Usozha River. Kryukov's cavalrymen, without encountering difficulties, traveled 120 km and reached the Desna near Novgorod-Seversky. At the same time, the flanks of the corps were open.


Soldiers of the 35th tank regiment of the Wehrmacht at the broken Soviet 45-mm gun 53-K in the occupied village of Seredina-Buda. Kursk region. March 1943

To be continued ...
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  2. +7
    31 March 2023 06: 28
    How Konev, Reuters and Rokossovsky tried to defeat Army Group Center

    Embrace the immensity ... too superficial and stereotyped ... "meat grinder" as in "Ogonyok" of the 90s.
  3. +12
    31 March 2023 08: 17
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: A. Samsonov
    Like Konev, Reuters and Rokossovsky tried defeat Army Group Center

    And how did the attempt fail? In general, the title does not match the content:

    The Battle of Rzhev ended 80 years ago. On March 3, 1943, Soviet troops liberated Rzhev, on March 12 - Vyazma, and by March 31, the Rzhev ledge was liquidated ...


    This is not the first time this has happened on the VO website.

    ps
    By the way. Congratulations to all of us on another wonderful date. On March 31, 1814, the West, under the rule of Napoleonic France, capitulated. He capitulated in 1709 (Swedes), in 1814 (French), in 1945 (Germans), capitulates today (arrogant Saxons).

    Glory to the Russian soldier, Russian weapons!


    1. +4
      31 March 2023 16: 30
      Thank you very much for your congratulations!
      Colleagues, I also congratulate all of you on the victory over the French Empire! Hooray!
  4. +5
    31 March 2023 08: 31
    Regarding the white rings on the guns - destroyed targets. In all photos of German anti-aircraft guns, there are ten such rings. They were supposed to destroy all Soviet aviation five times. But it’s impossible to do this, the Luftwaffe aces must also leave 200 thousand aircraft!
    1. +5
      31 March 2023 09: 30
      These anti-aircraft guns were used as anti-tank guns. Sighting range up to 8 km.
      Perhaps this cannon came from Africa. There, in the open area, they clicked a lot of allied equipment
    2. +4
      31 March 2023 10: 12
      Regarding the white rings on the guns - destroyed targets. In all photos of German anti-aircraft guns, there are ten such rings.

      There is a version that these are technological marks for setting up a rollback.
  5. +5
    31 March 2023 09: 24
    "To be continued..."
    Samsonov, we need to continue. All clear.
    1. +4
      31 March 2023 19: 52
      Quote: GIPS
      "To be continued..."
      Samsonov, we need to continue. All clear.

      It should!
      Don't you have a feeling how the glorious Wehrmacht "crushed" the Red Army?
      Did the Soviet people win not because of, but in spite of the leading role of the country's top political and military leadership?
      Didn't we lose 13 million for Memorial against the "ridiculous" 600 for Rüdiger Overmans?

      If you are still in doubt, then you need to continue from Samsonov! An inferiority complex is what you should experience at every mention of the Second World War or NWO!
  6. +15
    31 March 2023 09: 41
    Poem by Alexander Tvardovsky

    I'm killed near Rzhev

    I am killed under Rzhev,
    In an unnamed swamp,
    In the fifth company,
    On the left,
    With a cruel raid.

    I did not hear a break
    And did not see that flash, -
    Exactly in the abyss from the cliff -
    And neither the bottom nor the tire.

    And in this whole world
    Until the end of his days -
    No buttonhole,
    Not a sign
    From my tunic.

    I - where the roots are blind
    They look for food in the darkness;
    I am where with a cloud of dust
    Rye goes on a hill.

    I'm where the cock crowing
    At dawn the dew;
    I'm where your cars are
    The air is torn on the highway.

    Where is the blade of grass to the blade of grass -
    A river of grass spins,
    There, where at the wake
    Even the mother will not come.

    In the summer of a bitter year
    I am killed. For me -
    No news, no reports
    After this day.

    Count, live,
    How long ago
    Was at the front for the first time
    Named suddenly Stalingrad.

    The front burned, not abating,
    As on the body of the scar.
    I am killed and do not know -
    Is our Rzhev finally?

    Did our
    There, on the Middle Don?
    This month was scary.
    It was all at stake.

    Is it possible until autumn?
    Don was already behind him
    And at least wheels
    To the Volga broke out about n?

    No, it's not true! Tasks
    Toy did not win the enemy.
    No, no! Otherwise
    Even to the dead - how?

    And the dead, mute,
    There is only one joy:
    We fell for our country,
    But she -
    Saved.

    Our eyes faded,
    The flame of the heart went out.
    On the ground to check
    Do not call us.

    We are like a bump, like a stone,
    Even muffled, darker.
    Our eternal memory
    Who is jealous of her?

    Our ashes by right
    He took over the black earth.
    Our eternal glory
    An unfortunate reason.

    We have our own fighting
    Do not wear the Order.
    You all this, alive.
    We are alone in joy

    What was not in vain struggled
    We are for motherland.
    May our voice not be heard
    You must know him.

    You should have been, brothers,
    Stand like a wall
    For the dead curse -
    This penalty is terrible.

    It's a bitter right
    We are forever given
    And it's behind us
    This is a bitter right.

    In the summer, in the forty-second,
    I'm buried without a grave.
    Everything that happened afterwards,
    Death deprived me.

    To all that, perhaps, long ago
    Everyone is familiar and clear.
    But yes it will be
    With our faith according to.

    Brothers, maybe you
    And don't lose
    And in the rear of Moscow
    For her, they died.

    And in the Volga region
    Hastily digging trenches,
    And with the fighting came
    To the limit of Europe.

    We need to know
    What was certain
    There is the last span
    On the military road, -

    That last span,
    What if you leave,
    That stepped backwards
    There is nowhere to put a foot ...

    And the enemy turned
    You are to the west, back.
    Maybe brothers.
    And Smolensk already taken?

    And the enemy you smash
    On another line,
    Maybe you are to the border
    Already up?

    Maybe ... Yes, come true
    The word of the holy oath:
    Berlin, if you remember,
    He was named after Moscow.

    Brothers now spoiled
    The fortress of the enemy land,
    If dead, fallen
    If only we could cry!

    If volleys victorious
    Us, the dumb and the deaf,
    We are eternally devoted,
    Resurrected for a moment.

    Oh, true comrades,
    Only then would the war
    Your happiness is immense
    You have comprehended completely!

    In him, that happiness, the indisputable
    Our blood part,
    Our, torn by death,
    Faith, hatred, passion.

    Our everything! Do not be sullied
    We are in a severe struggle,
    All having given, they did not leave
    Nothing to myself.

    All of you are listed
    Forever, not for a period.
    And alive not in reproach
    This voice is our imaginable.

    For in this war
    We did not know the differences:
    Those who are alive, those who have fallen, -
    We were on a par with.

    And no one before us
    Of the living not in debt,
    Who is the hand of our banner
    Picked up on the run,

    To the sacred thing,
    For the soviet power
    Also, maybe, accurately
    A step further to fall.

    I am killed under Rzhev,
    That one is still near Moscow ...
    Somewhere, warriors, where you are,
    Who remained alive?!

    In cities of millions,
    In the villages, at home - in the family?
    In combat garrisons
    Not on our land?

    Oh, its own, strange,
    All in flowers il in the snow ...

    I will bequeath to you to live -
    What more can I do?

    Bequeathed to that life
    You are happy to be
    And my homeland homeland
    With honor to continue to serve.

    Grieving is proud,
    Without bowing your head.
    To rejoice is not boastful
    In the hour of victory itself.

    And take care of her holy
    Brothers, - their happiness, -
    In memory of a warrior-brother,
    What died for her.
    1. +8
      31 March 2023 13: 53
      I am killed under Rzhev,
      That one is still near Moscow ...
      Somewhere, warriors, where you are,
      Who remained alive?!



      I was lucky to be invited to bookmark the monument
    2. +2
      April 1 2023 17: 44
      Takes for the soul hi on our Smolensk land in every scrap the memory of our heroes! hi soldier
  7. 0
    31 March 2023 10: 35
    About a photo of anti-aircraft guns on platforms from the book of Paul Karel (SS Obersturmbannführer Paul Schmidt) -

    Major Richter, who commanded the 2nd Battalion of the 4th Anti-Aircraft Regiment, came up with an unconventional way to protect the vital railway traffic in the Rzhev direction. According to his project, the division in Rzhev built a kind of mobile "anti-aircraft battery" from two 88-mm, two light 20-mm anti-aircraft guns and four machine guns mounted on mechanically powered platforms. This self-made "armored train" was serviced by a team of forty people under the command of Lieutenant Langhammer.
    The train ran between Rzhev and Sychevka. But first, at the urgent request of the transport officer on duty, the "battery" went south to accompany the ammunition train. It is said that, having received the first assignment, Lieutenant Langhammer asked doubtfully:
    "Wouldn't it be better for you to send a submarine there?"
    But the anti-aircraft gunners from the "air defense armored train" soon became famous for how excellently they coped with the tasks assigned to them.
    Physically, service on an open "armored train" was torture. The wind generated during movement lowered the temperature, which on the platforms reached 50 and even 58 degrees below zero. Those who stood watch on the locomotive hid their faces under leather masks, because otherwise they would frostbite their noses and cheeks in a matter of minutes. In front of him, the locomotive was pushing several freight cars - "mine detectors".
    More than once or twice, the "armored train" dispersed large groups of saboteurs making their way to the railway embankment. Moreover, a battery on wheels brought cargo trains to Rzhev, accompanying them and thus ensuring the supply of everything necessary in the first, most difficult days.
  8. 0
    31 March 2023 10: 35
    How Konev, Reuters and Rokossovsky tried to defeat Army Group Center
    The title, ironically, sounds like the title of a cartoon
    1. +7
      31 March 2023 10: 54
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      The title, ironically, sounds like the title of a cartoon
      During this battle, the Army Group Center went on a counteroffensive with the aim of completely destroying the Soviet troops opposing them. After 2 or 3 days of stubborn oncoming combat, the German tank divisions went on the defensive. This time they failed to repeat what the Germans were able to accomplish near Barvenkovo.
  9. BAI
    +1
    31 March 2023 12: 56
    Soldiers of the 35th tank regiment of the Wehrmacht at the broken Soviet 45-mm gun 53-K in the occupied village of Seredina-Buda. Kursk region

    And what's with this photo? If the article ends with:
    A day later, without encountering strong resistance and advancing 30 km, Soviet tanks were at the Suzemka station, on March 3 - at the Seredina-Buda station.

    Obviously, the photo should refer to the next part of the article, where the Germans will counterattack
  10. +9
    31 March 2023 15: 31
    The Rzhev-Sychevsk operation of 1942 was carried out from July 31 to August 23, 1942. The 29th and 30th armies of the Kalinin Front, the 20th and 31st armies of the right wing of the Western Front + the mobile group of the Western Front 6 and 8 tank corps and the cavalry corps were involved.
    The center of the Western Front - 5th, 33rd, 43rd, 49th and 10th armies were defending. The left wing of the Western Front - the 16th and 61st armies, together with the 3rd tank army (12th and 15th tank corps) + 3rd and 9th tank corps in August and September repelled the German attack "Torch" ("Smerch"), and then they wore their claws.
    From August 24 to the end of September, only the 30th Army of the Kalinin Front advanced on Rzhev.
    Now the question is: from what hangover did the author stick Rokossovsky, if after being wounded by the Sukhinichi, the general was treated for a long time, and then commanded the Bryansk Front first, and then took command of the Don Front. And in the summer - autumn of 1942, Rokossovsky was not at all on the Western Front. And in the winter of 1942-1943, he commanded a group that kept the army of Paulus in the ring near Stalingrad.
    It sucks not to know and forget.
    1. 0
      31 March 2023 19: 44
      Zhukov also fought there, that we are silent about his command.
      1. 0
        April 2 2023 16: 53
        For admirers of Zhukov, there is a historian S Gerasimova, the author of books lives in Tver and has been engaged in the Rzhev battle for 40 years, read "The Rzhev Massacre. Zhukov's Lost Victory" The Rzhev battle is divided into 4 offensive operations. Zhukov led the first three. The third operation is called "MARS" The battle of Rzhev lasted for 15 months. The first operation Rzhev-Vyazemskaya January-April 1942 was a continuation of the battle near Moscow, the encirclement and death of the 33rd army of General Efremov, who died along with the army refusing to evacuate.
  11. +2
    31 March 2023 18: 55
    it would be better to avoid such battles to avoid losses creepy there is a channel on the cop there the guys in those places still raise the bones they were not even buried often swamps swamps
    1. 0
      April 3 2023 11: 33
      it would be better to avoid such battles to avoid losses creepy there is a channel on the cop there the guys in those places still raise the bones they were not even buried often swamps swamps


      And you better name the places where the front stood in one place for more than a year. I know places near Rzhev where the metal detector is constantly phoning, and the probe is stuck in the metal more often than not in vain. There are practically no swamps along the main front, where there was a continuous line of contact. And they raise bones wherever there were battles ... And stop calling the battles near Rzhev a "meat grinder", there were losses, but not the same as in some fantasies about corpse fields, and losses on both sides. There was a third of the entire Wehrmacht, and the best, no Romanians with Italians. You will not find a single German photo with a corpse field, but there are our photos from near Stalingrad with heaps of dead soldiers.
    2. 0
      April 3 2023 14: 39
      it would be better to avoid such battles to avoid losses creepy there is a channel on the cop there the guys in those places still raise the bones they were not even buried often swamps swamps

      The Rzhev battle lasted 412 days, the total losses in killed, wounded and missing amounted to about 1 million 200 thousand on our side. The Berlin offensive operation lasted 17 days, the total losses amounted to 356 thousand ... Everything is relative.
  12. +5
    31 March 2023 19: 12
    My father fought near Rzhev. First "Vanka-platoon", then com. companies.
    Three wounds, one of which is severe.