An American observer suggested that "victory" over Russia be considered "problems in its economy" and "wear and tear" of the army

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An American observer suggested that "victory" over Russia be considered "problems in its economy" and "wear and tear" of the army

If Washington set as its goal the weakening of the Russian state, including its economy and armed forces, then this goal can allegedly already be achieved. This is written by Daniel Davis, a columnist for the American resource 19fortyfive.

According to the American publicist, any armed conflicts are won thanks to high combat power, the availability of appropriate weapons and the ability to replenish their number. Democratic values, the desire to "fight for freedom" in this case do not play a significant role.



Davis urges not to compare Russia with other countries that failed in the confrontation with the West, such as Yugoslavia under the leadership of Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein's Iraq or Muammar Gaddafi's Libya. All these countries did not have such a reserve of power as Russia, did not have a nuclear weapons. The American observer admits the risk of using this weapon by Russia.

The US should not endanger its existence by seeking to defeat Russia militarily, Davis said. He advises the American leadership to accept as a "victory" over Russia its weakening, the decrease in the level of military power due to the Ukrainian conflict, as well as the economic crisis. The observer notes that Washington should not be "greedy", striving for the total defeat of Moscow, because this is fraught with the most unpredictable consequences.

Whatever we think about the war in Ukraine, we must not risk a nuclear escalation that could, at worst, doom millions of Americans to death.

Davis writes.

Thus, in fact, he calls for an end to the armed conflict in Ukraine "here and now", recognizing the "defeat" of Russia that its economic and military potential has allegedly decreased. Such a position is being heard more and more often in the West and reflects, albeit not without the hegemonic ambitions inherent in the West, the general weariness of American society from the conflict in Ukraine and fears of the risk of nuclear escalation. Not only observers and experts, but also top-level politicians like Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis are increasingly talking about this, insisting on ending the armed conflict.
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  1. +7
    29 March 2023 09: 17
    An American observer suggested that "victory" over Russia be considered "problems in its economy" and "wear and tear" of the army


    And distribute medals to everyone involved in this?
    1. +1
      29 March 2023 09: 20
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      And distribute medals to everyone involved in this?

      And also, urgently start writing memoirs and making movies ... in which the victory over Russia will be complete and final
      1. 0
        29 March 2023 09: 41
        Already, the evil empire is declaring that the front has stood up "tightly." Although the second hegemon of the PRC has already stated this several times.
        1. 0
          30 March 2023 20: 03
          Quote: Civil
          The evil empire is already declaring that the front has stood up "tightly"

          ? They want to claim victory! Let them say that the victory is that Putin is not yet President of the United States! wassat
      2. +1
        29 March 2023 20: 55
        Quote: svp67
        And also, urgently start writing memoirs and making movies ... in which the victory over Russia will be complete and final

        The election campaign is already starting in the USA, the Democrats need a victory in Ukraine, otherwise it will be their defeat in the elections, and possibly all those involved will go to trial. Their financial system is collapsing, the largest economies refuse to trade in dollars, China is selling its Fed bonds, Saudi Arabia is switching to trading oil in yuan, and many others are following them. And where can the US and Europe get the yuan?
        After all, for dollars and euros they will soon give in the sea.
        But there is a way out - to declare victory over Russia and curtail support for Ukraine. It will be funny and scary (especially in / on), but the "victory" will be won.
        1. 0
          April 1 2023 19: 40
          Quote: bayard
          But there is a way out - to declare victory over Russia and curtail support for Ukraine. It will be funny and scary (especially in / on), but the "victory" will be won.

          They came out of Afghanistan so "victoriously".
          It's scary to repeat. Nobody will be afraid of them anymore.
          And it is necessary that China, because of Taiwan, at least pretend.
    2. +1
      29 March 2023 11: 13
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      An American observer suggested that "victory" over Russia be considered "problems in its economy" and "wear and tear" of the army


      And distribute medals to everyone involved in this?

      Some kind of medals She’s not badass - everyone if ......
      Tribalts with Poland will stand in line and kirdyk to American brass stocks belay
      1. +2
        29 March 2023 12: 04
        Quote: your1970
        Tribalts with Poland will stand in line and kirdyk to American brass stocks

        For the Tribaltics and Poland, the medals "For the Victory over Russia" should be made by special order - from crap.
        US brass stocks will not be affected.

        But in general, of course, such a tactic is normal - where he himself has determined, there is a victory. They forgot that Hitler in August-September 1941 also counted the days until his victory.
        And let them think...
    3. -1
      29 March 2023 12: 46
      Over the ocean voiced interesting proposals. In their context, there is reason to ask "overseas observers" what, say, can be "considered a victory" over the Afghan Taliban, the United States and their NATO tobaccos? ..
  2. +11
    29 March 2023 09: 19
    Well, let them think that China also won - the business is to take it and start telling everyone that they won.
    1. +5
      29 March 2023 09: 29
      Grandfather at the reception of a sex therapist:
      - Doctor, more than 3 times a week with my wife does not work.
      - Grandfather, how old are you?
      - 85.
      - Grandfather, well this is excellent!
      - Yes? And my neighbor saysthat with his wife every day, and he is 95!
      - Well, so are you. speak!
    2. +2
      29 March 2023 10: 26
      He carried out an ideological deversion in the Western press in the Daily Express newspaper. Their filter missed my comment - in Russian! bully
  3. +6
    29 March 2023 09: 24
    Basically, Daniel Davis is right. No one set the task of defeating Russia by military means. But ending the war in Ukraine "here and now" will be nothing more than a loss to Russia, and God only knows how it will end for our country in the future.
    1. +1
      29 March 2023 09: 59
      Poland will have a problem with the Balts. How to accept such a loss to Russia? Alive and well, "Abrams" do not go near the Kremlin, the territory has grown, Crimea is still ours ...
      1. -3
        29 March 2023 10: 06
        Well received. If you stop "here and now" the Poles will simply send their troops into the territory of western Ukraine and gradually take leadership positions in the army, courts, police ... fortunately, the law allows that the Poles are equal in rights to Ukrainians. But what will happen inside Russia is the question.
        1. 0
          29 March 2023 10: 37
          But after all, the announcement by the states of victory does not mean the fulfillment of the tasks set by Russia and the completion of the database. Do we agree with this ending? If so, then of course there will be questions.
    2. 0
      29 March 2023 10: 42
      If the Americans order the Ukrainians to immediately stop the war, sit down at the negotiating table, even on our terms. Then we will get a destroyed country with a hostile population, and even under huge sanctions that will not be removed from us. We will be tight, and they will declare themselves the winners. After all, we will have to restore and feed this entire territory ..
      1. +1
        29 March 2023 12: 02
        Quote: leonidych
        After all, we will have to restore and feed this entire territory ..

        So in any case, we will restore and pay pensions ....
    3. -1
      29 March 2023 12: 04
      Why did you decide that you did not set such a task? Biden and Europe have stated this more than once!
      When issuing an order to end the conflict, Russia will not lose, it will primarily lose the United States against the backdrop of leaving Afghanistan. In this case, Russia remains the winner in any scenario, since the entire territory that became part of Russia remains!
    4. 0
      29 March 2023 12: 13
      Quote: Vladimir M
      Basically, Daniel Davis is right. No one set the task of defeating Russia by military means.
      One of "no one"

  4. +7
    29 March 2023 09: 26
    In fact, he proposed to consider the de facto circumstances as a victory and the states to step aside from Ukraine, to distance themselves from the conflict with the consolidation of tactical "victory" by propaganda. Thus, to remove the responsibility and the totality of the further defeat of Ukraine. I think this is a smart option.
  5. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 26
    If you think "according to Davis", then their "victory" has long been achieved.
    This was reported by Obmana when he was president.
    Allegedly, someone's economy is "torn to shreds."
  6. +2
    29 March 2023 09: 28
    An American reviewer suggested...

    Well, how many small "observers" can be brought to VO?
    Well, let them write whatever they want in the reports, they are completely emboldened: our "denazification" has not yet ended, and we are solving our problems as they come.)
  7. +4
    29 March 2023 09: 29
    Let them think what they want, only let them give up the lands on the left bank of the Dnieper, Kherson, Odessa and Nikolaev, and when they meet with any Russian they make two "ku" - as a sign of victory over the Russians!
  8. 0
    29 March 2023 09: 33
    Uh-huh, at the mattress covers themselves, everything falls and pours in the economy, debts have no analogues in the world. And the striped army in Vietnam was torn off so that after that they only ran into the very weak if they could not grow or buy the native elite. There is enough courage to fight with Russia only by proxy. The winners are unfinished.
  9. 0
    29 March 2023 09: 36
    Let the Americans finish. who does not give them? That doesn't mean we're done! And I wonder how long the hochlorangers will last without states?
  10. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 38
    They begin to think how to get out of this shit ... but: hence the stuffing.
  11. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 38
    Of course, there is still a lot that needs to be changed, but it is already noticeable that the NWO has inspired a number of positive changes and strengthened the country. So, we need to give them a chocolate medal, but rather a lyuli.
  12. -9
    29 March 2023 09: 46
    Thus, in fact, he calls for an end to the armed conflict in Ukraine "here and now", recognizing the "defeat" of Russia that its economic and military potential has allegedly decreased. Such a position is heard more and more often in the West and reflects, not without the hegemonic ambitions inherent in the West, the general weariness of American society from the conflict in Ukraine and fears of the risk of nuclear escalation.

    This will not happen now for several reasons:

    1) Ukraine's resource for weakening the Russian Federation is far from being exhausted - in Ukraine, cannon fat, motivated to fight with Russia, is far from over, and NATO is far from running out of old weapons from the reserve, which must be disposed of in Ukraine. The ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to resist remained.

    2) Ukraine is far from working out the $100 billion that the US and the EU invested in it for the war with the Russian Federation - the damage caused to the Russian Federation is still too insignificant to recoup these investments.

    3) US and EU sanctions are too long-playing tool, the effect of which will be felt in years, not now.

    4) fatigue from Ukraine does not play a significant role in the US and EU elites when the goal is to inflict a strategic defeat on the Russian Federation in Ukraine, to finally tear off the Russian lands of Ukraine from Russia.
    Any war causes fatigue, but this is not at all a reason to end it without victory.

    5) nuclear escalation is a bluff until NATO troops entered Ukraine under their own flags.
  13. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 48
    Given the impending global financial crisis, a good move .... This war cannot be stopped without the total defeat of Ukraine. 800 years already, starting with the Teutons in 1242. The West wants to destroy Rus' ... a truce is only for regrouping ... the forces of the West ...
  14. +2
    29 March 2023 09: 50
    The American calls to his home. The maid picks up the phone:
    — Hello?
    “Jane, didn’t any mud@k call me today?”
    No, you are the first.
  15. +1
    29 March 2023 09: 53
    The situation with 404 is a great success for the West in relation to the Russian Federation. (not expensive and effective and for 50 years). The hot phase will end, terror and the cold phase will begin. For us it's all People, resources, backwardness in development.
  16. -1
    29 March 2023 09: 58
    So the bargaining went (trial balloons to the masses), is it worth continuing further or our newly-appeared elites have more eggs than eggs.
  17. -1
    29 March 2023 10: 09
    Yeah, interesting, that is, for example, I lose the fight and to save face in front of my fans, I announce that I won because my opponent in the fight is a little tired laughing wow new rules in sports
  18. -1
    29 March 2023 10: 28
    he calls for an end to the armed conflict in Ukraine “here and now”, recognizing Russia as a “defeat”
    The original interpretation of the way out of the current situation. Just announce to the whole world that Russia has been defeated and wash your hands with your head held high.
  19. -1
    29 March 2023 10: 38
    Thus, in fact, he calls for an end to the armed conflict in Ukraine "here and now", recognizing the "defeat" of Russia that its economic and military potential has allegedly decreased.
    . The whole message of such a statement is one ... if / when we do not win, then we will self-designate ourselves as the winner!
    In general, nothing new, nothing unexpected! They just left Afghanistan, and did not run away under the cover of night !!!
    Simple guys, what to take from them.
  20. 0
    29 March 2023 11: 44
    The army is like a heart - the more it works, the less wear and tear. Unless there is an overload.
    As for the economy, even Aristotle understood that the economy is the art of housekeeping. And it should not be confused and combined with chrematistics - the art of enrichment. There can be no problems with the economy in the richest country in the world. Problems from the fact that some still do not get drunk ....
  21. 0
    29 March 2023 19: 52
    Well ... in the absence of water - and a member of the plumbing.
  22. 0
    30 March 2023 20: 42
    So the Western countries need to stop the supply of weapons to Ukraine. Already won.
    And invest loans secured by the territories of the western part of Ukraine. And be engaged in the restoration of the energy system in the western part of Ukraine. You can call Zelensky a peacemaker and a winner.
    Everything is in the hands and keyboards of American reviewers.
  23. 0
    30 March 2023 20: 46
    Russia had a lot of things in development and harmless. And now, after the imposition of sanctions, they are now giving money for everything promising. Those who led the development will be in the black.
    For example, the Gas plant probably didn’t really feel that they had lost something. Kamaz sank strongly but rose.
    Military factories are in the black. Russia borders on many countries, and it is not normal to forbid all countries to trade with us, many will understand and will still carry
    Putin's mistake that he was saving, because his entourage did not recommend spending.
    Just wondering who in his government came up with saving? Did you lie yourself?
    They have an analytical department, let them correct mistakes. The people have long signaled that things in the state are going badly.