The Ukrainian side claims that the Russian Aerospace Forces used planning bombs during night strikes on targets in Shostka and Kramatorsk

At night, regular strikes were carried out on objects in the territories controlled by the Kyiv regime. Explosions thundered in Kramatorsk - at the places of deployment of personnel and equipment of enemy troops.

The Ukrainian side reiterates the use of Russian combat aviation planning air bombs that can reach a target located at a distance of up to 80 km from the place where the bomb was dropped from an aircraft. This factor is particularly annoying in Kyiv, where they are now forced to switch from the paradigm “the Russians are running out of missiles” to “the Russians have a lot of aerial bombs that can be cheaply converted into correctable and guided ones.”

It is also reported that a night strike was carried out on enemy targets in the city of Shostka. It is located in the Sumy region. According to some reports, it is in the Sumy and Chernihiv regions that the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is making attempts to create an air defense line. Several anti-aircraft missile systems supplied by Western countries have been deployed there. The other day, we recall, one of these was struck in the Chernihiv region.

Several large industrial enterprises are located in Shostka, including the Impuls plant, which manufactures detonators and other military-technical products.

Against this background, the statements of the Ukrainian authorities that "Ukraine needs more air defense systems that would intercept both aircraft and missiles - cruise and ballistic" attracted attention.

Comments

[voice of reason]

So they really began to apply. Well, it's good for the cause. Another option with a cluster rocket that raises a bomb to a height and from there launches free target planning. But no one else seems to have such technology. NWO gave a new impetus to the development of the use of aviation. In fact, attack aircraft of the battlefield cannot work effectively. It’s interesting that the idea of ​​​​launching gliding bombs from an airship, launcher or balloon, from a height of twenty kilometers, is already being developed by someone? America, and hence the entire Western POVO, was unable to shoot down such targets. And from such a height, planning can probably get very far.

[Silver99]

Russia got from the USSR not just a large stock, but a huge amount of ammunition for various purposes, if you turn on the technical thought and carry out modernization, then it is quite possible to dispose of them with such goodies. Just yesterday, the Supreme Commander declared that Russia has tens of thousands of shells filled with uranium and not only depleted ones, there is enough for the whole of Europe, the way is not pushed in line.

[Andy_nsk]

Another option with a cluster rocket that raises a bomb to a height and from there launches free target planning. But no one else seems to have such technology.

No and will not be, a planning bomb dropped from an aircraft is the best option in terms of efficiency / price, and I fully share your opinion about the usefulness of planning bombs. A rocket requires a jet engine, and these are completely different costs.
One can only be surprised at the obstinacy of the military departments and, in part, the military-industrial complex, which did not launch the production of such bombs a few years ago. Striped have been making and using them for a long time. There is nothing complicated in such bombs.

It’s interesting that the idea of ​​​​launching gliding bombs from an airship or a balloon from a height of twenty kilometers is already being developed by someone?

The idea is so-so. The flight range of a winged bomb is determined by three factors:
1. Aerodynamic characteristics of the bomb.
2. Drop height.
3. The speed of the carrier and the bomb at the moment of separation.
When dropped from a balloon, it will be difficult to provide a long flight range.

[topol717]

Quote from Andy_nsk

When dropped from a balloon, it will be difficult to provide a long flight range.

The most important thing is not clear why?
A strategic bomber can lift several tens of tons of such bombs to a height of 15 km, how much can a conditional balloon lift? a couple of tons and then at best.

[IL-18]

Quote: voice of reason

from an airship, starter or balloon, from a height of twenty kilometers

Well, you can still set the direction. Only plumage and speed will be like a hang glider. Or there will be a fall at a low angle.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: voice of reason

interesting idea of ​​​​launching gliding bombs from an airship, launcher or balloon

And let's better with a hot air balloon! (I would clap your hands, but you are "late"! For about 200 years ... Balloon bombing was carried out in the first half of the 19th century, and they dreamed about it in 1812. Even the Japanese with their bomber balloons in the 40s years of the 20th century turned out to be "plagiarists"! Although ... they already had strategic (!) Bomber balloons! )

[saigon]

Attack aircraft can still work, and for this you don’t need much, you need to remember the classics of any military theory.
At least for infantry, at least for you aviation, at least for you artillery - suppression of the enemy by MASSIVE use.
If there is not a pair of attack aircraft, but for example 50 pieces for a certain area, then the air defense will not be taken out.

[topol717]

Quote: saigon

If there is not a pair of attack aircraft, but for example 50 pieces for a certain area, then the air defense will not be taken out.

We do not have a war, but a NVO, and we do not bomb cities with civilians.

[saigon]

Of course, who can argue with us, but in the winter of 1941, Comrade V.I. Stalin specially explained (for the generals) that cities and other settlements should be bypassed, surrounded, and not stormed head-on. Also, in an ancient treatise on war, back in the wild years, the theorist Sun Tzu noted that the worst is to besiege fortresses (that is, cities, although this statement should be taken in more detail, and not just about sieges).
The conclusion of the city should be bypassed by cutting off communications, wreaking havoc in the rear areas of the enemy.
And so the war is that the NWO principles of maintaining a database are the same.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Small gliding bombs can also be dropped from helicopters. Some kind of Mi-24 is quite capable of lifting two FAB-250 bombs.
And launching from an airship is an interesting idea. But it is a very vulnerable technique if the enemy has long-range fire weapons.

[al3x]

The decisive factor for a gliding bomb is the speed of the carrier and the flight altitude so that the drop site is as far away from the target as possible. A helicopter is limited in height and speed, an airship or a balloon for such a thing in general, one might say, is static in space, or, well, some kind of accelerator is tricky. Therefore, fighters are used because of their performance characteristics.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Helicopter speed of 200 km / h is enough to reset. This is just about the takeoff speed of the aircraft, at which planning can already begin. In the end, indeed, it is possible to attach a powder accelerator. A glide bomb range of 10 kilometers or more may also be sufficient for many applications when dropped from heights accessible to helicopters. And the decisive factor of the planning bomb is not the range at all, but its weight. Lighter weight ammunition can be used in other ways, for example with the help of MLRS or long-range large-caliber artillery.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: voice of reason

Another option with a cluster rocket that raises a bomb to a height and from there launches free target planning.

It will turn out to be too expensive, a rocket capable of throwing 5-6 tons per 1000 km will cost as much as 10 Iskanders.

Quote: voice of reason

But no one else seems to have such technology.

Because no one needs nafig, in this form.

[incognoto]

I am glad that they are poured regularly, which means they have mastered the production

[Lech from Android.]

With cheap air bombs, you will bomb all the nearest rear areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine where their reserves have been accumulated ... that will be the case.

[rotmistr60]

This factor causes particular irritation in Kyiv

Declare, do not declare, get irritated even to the point of blue in the face, but the blows are being dealt and will be dealt. Judging by the reaction of the Kyiv regime, the blows are painfully sensitive and achieve their goal.

[Egoza]

Quote: rotmistr60

Judging by the reaction of the Kyiv regime, the blows are painfully sensitive and achieve their goal.

Shostka! Film "Svema"! Where will Zelya take the film for her "trips"?

[Old_geologist]

Elena, I thought the same thing! How are films going to be made now?

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

For the past month, the Avdeevsky fortified area has been hit by 5-9 strikes per day with planning bombs based on the M-62. M-62 in warehouses left 3 thousand tons. Now the density of blows began to increase. They switched from pairs to links. In April there will be an order of magnitude more. According to rumors. The only problem is to teach the crews. It is possible until August to rise to the wing of all products of the 9-xx for throwing bombs from the UMPC.

[incognoto]

and what is the problem of crew training in what is manifested ..? their task is to get to the right area at the right height and speed. Or are there other nuances?

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote from incoggnoto

desired altitude and speed. Or are there other nuances?

Our glide bombs are in test mode. Let's hope it doesn't take a lot of tweaking.
The range is gained due to the high speed of the carrier. According to UMPC - geometric data are known - scope, profile. For the configuration with the M-62, the aerodynamic quality is 6. Although during operation all sorts of different restrictions can come out both in speed and in modes. According to the peculiarities of the wing opening mechanics and, as a result, the range data may be worse than planned.

[Ivan Fokin_2]

But could you, dear, decipher 3 thousand tons, how much is this in our opinion?

[Saburov_Alexander53]

For a month now, Avdiivka fortified area has been hit by 5-9 strikes per day with planning bombs
I read today, in Avdiyivka they began to turn off mobile communications. It has become more difficult to maintain BS in the city, says the local head of administration. And we are shown some foundations from houses destroyed there during 9 years of the war. My two hemispheres of the lower brain are not able to comprehend such contradictions.

[Mouse]

Crying Ze that ....

Against this background, the statements of the Ukrainian authorities that "Ukraine needs more air defense systems that would intercept both aircraft and missiles - cruise and ballistic" attracted attention.

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[-Paul-]

There was a powerful chemical plant there in Soviet times.

[kromer]

Quote: -Paul-

There was a powerful chemical plant there in Soviet times.

Avdiivka Coke Plant
Reinforced Concrete Plant
Plant "Stroydetal"
Avdeevka experimental plant of non-standard equipment
Plant of metal structures PJSC "AZMK"
ceramic factory
Career management
Manufacture of garments and haberdashery
Construction and installation department "Donkoksokhimstroy"

In general, these are all the enterprises of Avdiivka at the beginning of the NWO.

[Aviator_]

There was a powerful chemical plant there in Soviet times.

Chem. association "Svema" (photosensitive materials). They made a very good photo and film, better than the Kazan "Tasma". And the gunpowder factory in the same place.

[Bort radist]

Svema was originally, tasma then came to replace. Yes, the differences were not for the better. Rigid and thick lining. In cold weather, the film behaved badly.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

And a gunpowder factory in the same place.
The first gunpowder for solid rockets (SFR) in the USSR was made in Shostka. It turns out that this is the most complex chemistry and technology so that the powder cylinder in the rocket body burns out strictly evenly from the axis to the walls along the entire height. Otherwise, premature burnout of the thin body of the rocket will occur. That is why we did not have strategic TTRs in service for a long time, especially on nuclear submarines.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The most vile film for moviegoers was just "Svema". It had a disgusting bluish tint and poor contrast.

[IL-18]

Quote: -Paul-

There was a powerful chemical plant there in Soviet times.

“The film was shot on film by the Shostka production association Svema. There is no plant without any SVO. Died.

[AlexVas44]

The Ukrainian side reiterates the use of planning bombs by Russian combat aircraft...

So what's the point of the statement? What a projectile, what a rocket, what this bomb - the result is the same. And to whom is this complaint? Just the same crying Yaroslavna, only performed by Zelya in the address of Joe. It won't help, so get it and wait some more.

[Alex777]

Quote: AlexVas44

So what's the point of the statement?

The bottom line is that if earlier there was a "hope" that our missiles were about to run out, now, with the advent of guided bombs, all "hopes" are over.
400 aircraft with such bombs is a big force.

[Bodipancher]

Well, everyone will now pour heartily to the Nazis. Attach the wings to the FAB and go ahead. Judging by the pictures, the device costs a penny and you can make a lot of them.

[art having]

Well that's great..............

[kromer]

“the Russians have a lot of air bombs that can be cheaply converted into adjustable and controlled ones”

It is hard to believe that converting a conventional air bomb into an adjustable one is cheap. Yes, and the question is how ours are being redone, what the alteration is. If a “tail” is attached to an ordinary aerial bomb, which allows you to correct this one thing, if the aerial bomb itself is remade, this is another.

[IL-18]

Quote from kromer

the question is how ours are being redone, what is the alteration

For what purpose are you interested? And a comment with a Ukrainian accent...

[Alexey RA]

Quote from kromer

It is hard to believe that converting a conventional air bomb into an adjustable one is cheap.

With the mass production of kits - cheap. For the founders of such sets of "cast iron" conversions in UAB, the price of JDAM starts from 25 kilodollars (for their own aircraft.)

[kill the fascist]

Great if information about the use of planning bombs is confirmed. The massive use of such air bombs will reduce the enthusiasm of the participants in the planned spring offensive of bloomers.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Next in line is Bankova, stop pitying the Nazis.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Leave alone - Bank. Nice area there. They built during the union. There will be an office of the representative of the President of the Russian Federation for the Southwestern Federal District.

[svp67]

Against this background, the statements of the Ukrainian authorities that "Ukraine needs more air defense systems that would intercept both aircraft and missiles - cruise and ballistic" attracted attention.

[Kuziming]

It seems that the real path to the offensive is still work with precision weapons.
And now the key factor in preparing for the offensive is the suppression of enemy air defense.

[Kostadinov]

One can only be surprised at the obstinacy of the military departments and, in part, the military-industrial complex, which did not launch the production of such bombs a few years ago. Striped have been making and using them for a long time. There is nothing complicated in such bombs.

This is not stubbornness. The social system in Russia today is like this - it requires the maximum profit for the arms manufacturer. The United States has the same system and such bombs did not hit either in Korea, or in Vietnam, or in Yugoslavia, and today there are few of them. Although the very idea and technical capabilities to make them since the Second World War.

When dropped from a balloon, it will be difficult to provide a long flight range.

If the carrier is a ball, then everything depends on the direction and strength of the air currents. Recently they showed a Chinese balloon over the United States, and the Japanese hit the first intercontinental weapon. This is before the reset, and after the reset it depends on the height and aerodynamics.
If the carrier is an airship, then the range can be global.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Kostadinov

The United States has the same system and such bombs did not hit either in Korea, or in Vietnam, or in Yugoslavia, and today there are few of them.

Already been in Vietnam. Paveway just started to be used there - sets of attachments for the standard series of Mark 81, 82, 83, 84 aerial bombs, with which "cast iron" turned into a laser or TV-guided UAB. They were replaced in the early 2000s by the JDAM, and then by the winged JDAM-ER.

[Emperor_Alive]

The stump is clear that from a ball, that is, an airship, it is not fate to throw planning bombs.
But why are they not used as a high-altitude observation tool?
Ukroreikh has nothing to shoot down high-altitude targets.