The Armed Forces of Ukraine fear that Russia will begin to massively modernize old bombs into precision-guided munitions

Missiles are expensive, and the process of their production is relatively long. But you can save time and money if you redo aviation bombs into guided precision munitions.

Yuriy Ignat, speaker of the Ukrainian Air Force, spoke about this at the telethon.

According to him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are afraid that Russia will start massively modernizing old air bombs into precision-guided munitions.

They just add wings, GPS - and that's it, flew

- suppose the Ukrainian officer.

He noted that for many years, since Soviet times, a large number of old aerial bombs have been stored in Russian military warehouses. It remains only to subject them to modernization. This will achieve the desired effect with minimal time and financial costs. According to Ignat, this is an excellent option for Russia, especially in the face of Western sanctions, which, in his opinion, have a significant negative impact on Russian missile production. Yes, and saving money in the modernization of bombs, compared with the manufacture of missiles, can be tenfold, or even a hundredfold.

It will be extremely difficult for the Ukrainian military to fight such weapons, because for this it will be necessary to shoot down Russian aircraft, which, to put it mildly, is not very good about them.

Information appeared in the media and public in Ukraine that Russia not only has planning "smart" bombs in service, but is already using them in combat conditions. It is reported that the case of their use by the armed forces of the Russian Federation was recorded yesterday in the Sumy region.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

I hope this is true, the long-awaited self-propelled gun Kaolitsia appeared on the Kremennaya Svatovo line.

[UAZ 452]

Whole Coalition?! Are you kidding! So you look, by the summer and the second will appear!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: UAZ 452

Whole Coalition?! Are you kidding!

It would be nice to imprison those responsible for the fact that since the loud presentation in the troops of these unparalleled Coalitions in the world, they have not waited.

[Plate]

And you still go figure out who is responsible. A lot of organizations are responsible for such projects, in which a lot of people work. Here it is necessary not only to figure out who is to blame, but then also to convince everyone that it is he who is to blame, without disclosing secret documentation, which was clearly studied when searching for the culprit.
In general, in all world practice over the past decades it has become customary that a lot of time passes between the presentation and the mass entry into the troops.

[SergioCDS]

... - as I understand it, you are trying to shield the "painter" of the "UNIONS" and the "plywood" with the "biathlon" with your "speech"?

[SergioCDS]

... - as I understand it, you, with your "speech" of the "painter" of "SOYUZOV", wounded in soft tissues "on the forts", and "plywood" with "biathlon", and "a thousand" ARMAT "" and LIKE THEM " leaders" (... - "write" the "humanitarian" to the EDro, give the cars back, ... AND ALSO "give the go-ahead" - pay the "customs officers" ...) are you trying to shield? - ...
So "be bold" so that there is no "world practice over the past decades has become habitual"!
I've "one technical solution" of "hijacking" an UAV for a "detachment" "decided" - "looks" 5 km IN ANY weather, "protects" - CERBERUS (mythical) will give odds ... - You - WHAT DID, except "language la-la-la" and slogans?

[Egeny]

Russia ... is already using planning "smart" bombs" in combat

... well, they can, if they want. Well done.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Plate

And you still go figure out who is responsible.

You talk nonsense. The secret to pedaling into the launch of the Coalition has nothing to do. And for the future, you always have a responsible leader. If he could not ensure the launch of a series of equipment with ALREADY passed state tests in 8 years, then he is worthless.
A few years ago, Chemezov's wife's firm received 1,5 billion rubles. for the development of automatic transmission for Grants. The money was simply written off, and the Grant still has a Japanese automatic transmission. Say who's in charge?

[Zaurbek]

Personally, my opinion is that in addition to just a new trunk, Rostec immediately makes a complex new system with complex automation. It is quite possible, following the example of "Caesar", to put the barrel on a BAZ 8x8 with an FCS and partial automation, or on a tracked carrier, following the example of Hyacinth. And then sculpt all the robots.

[Orange Bigg]

The Coalition self-propelled guns are good. With the help of the Krasnopol-D UAS, it can even hit moving vehicles at a distance of up to 80 km. It would be nice to wait in the Malva SAO troops. This is an analogue of the French Ceasar gun. Should have already completed the tests and go to the troops.

Information appeared in the media and public in Ukraine that Russia not only has planning "smart" bombs in service, but is already using them in combat conditions. It is reported that the case of their use by the armed forces of the Russian Federation was recorded yesterday in the Sumy region.

Photos and videos of the consequences of the strike at the link below.

Initially, it was reported that the attacks on the Sumy region of Ukraine were carried out using shahid drones. However, fragments found at the impact site indicate that the impact was nevertheless delivered using the universal planning and correction module (UMPC). Moreover, judging by the destruction and the size of the wreckage, the FAB-1500 high-explosive aerial bomb was more than likely used as a warhead.

https://avia.pro/news/v-sumskoy-oblasti-noveyshey-planiruyushchey-aviabomboy-unichtozhen-punkt-vremennoy-dislokacii

[Himalayan]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are afraid that it will not be dilettantes-rubbers and traitors who will take control, but devotees-professionals. That's Then they may not be up to Pyramogi.

[dmi.pris1]

Partially, this is already happening. The GRU special forces, and now the commanders of the Wagner PMC

[Terenin]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Partially, this is already happening. The GRU special forces, and now the commanders of the Wagner PMC

Something about Utkin Dm. (callsign "Wagner") haven't heard anything for a long time NATO members are already worried

[Ingvar 72]

Quote from Orange Bigg

UAS Krasnopol-D

It seems like 55-60 km. But that's not bad either. The problem is that laser illumination is not even yesterday.

[AAK]

depending on where, if a specialist from lying behind enemy lines is not good and dangerous, but if from an UAV of some kind it’s quite for itself and yes .... if only ours and Bandera’s air defense systems were sorted out sooner, then ordinary bombs and ODABs and incendiary tanks - everything will work out, not a single Bandera will be left without a gift ...

[Plate]

You can deal with air defense systems on wheels and tracks, but MANPADS are forever. It's like fleas on a street dog. They took out some, so new ones come from somewhere ...

[Arisaka]

It seems like MANPADS do not hit above 5-6 km? And if you throw planning bombs, then in the old fashioned way you don’t need to aim a point at the bottom of the bombsight, well, as it seems to me. On the contrary, the higher the better, it turns out.

[vbi007]

Planning FAB(s) are launched at a great distance from the line of contact. Enemy air defense systems are unable to work on the carrier. It is not clear why they are delaying their use at the places of concentration of the Nazis in the same Dnepropetrovsk and in the 3rd echelon of the Nazis' coming out.

[Zaurbek]

The Americans are already trying to put various seekers on planning small-caliber bombs with both radar and optics.

[SergioCDS]

... - :
In Vysotsky - Book Children.
(Among the swollen candles and evening prayers,
Among the spoils of war and peaceful bonfires
Lived book children who did not know the battles,
Disheartened by her petty catastrophes.
Children are always annoyed
Their age and way of life -
And we fought to the abrasions,
To mortal grievances
But the clothes were patched up
We are mothers on time
We swallowed the books,
Drunk from the lines.
Lipli hair to us on sweating foreheads,
And it sucked in the spoon sweetly from the phrases,
And the smell of struggle circled our heads,
From the pages of yellowed flying to us.
And tried to comprehend
We who did not know wars
For war cry
Those who took the howl -
The secret of the word "order"
Border Assignment
The meaning of attack and clank
War chariots.
And in the boiling pots of the former slaughterhouse and confusion
So much food for our little brains!
We are on the role of traitors, cowards, Judas
In their children's games, they assigned their enemies.
And the villain's footsteps
Not allowed to cool
And the most beautiful ladies
They promised to love;
And calming friends
And loving others
We are the heroes
Introduced yourself.
Only in dreams you can't run away for good:
A short age of fun - so much pain around!
Try to unclench the palms of the dead
And take the weapons out of their worn hands.
Test capturing
With a warm sword
And wearing armor, -
How much, how much!
Figure out who you are: a coward
Or the chosen one of fate,
And taste
A real fight.
And when a wounded friend collapses nearby
And over the first loss you'll make out, grieving,
And when you are suddenly left without skin
Because they killed him - not you -
You will understand that you learned
Distinguished, found
I took it by my teeth -
This is a grin of death!
Lies and evil - look,
How rude their faces
And always behind
Crows and coffins!
If meat with a knife
You didn’t eat a single piece,
If hands are idle
Watched down on me
And did not enter the fight
With a scoundrel, with an executioner, -
So in life you were
Nothing to do with anything!
If the path is cut through with my father’s sword,
You salty tears on the mustache wound,
If in a hot fight I experienced how much, -
So, you read the necessary books as a child!
1975)

[Havoc]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Still to wait in the troops of SAO Malva. This is an analogue of the French Ceasar gun.

What analogue are we talking about, the firing range of Ceasar is twice as high, I don’t understand at all why create a weapon that is obviously inferior to all Western models in terms of technical characteristics, for show, that we also have. Moreover, there is already an A-222 Bereg.

[Zaurbek]

On Malva, the barrel is exactly the same as on the MSTA-B and Msta-S howitzers .... they are used to the fullest. Caesar has a more modern gun, like 777 is the level of the Coalition ... this barrel should be put on Malva.

[poquello]

Quote: tralflot1832

I hope this is true, the long-awaited self-propelled gun Kaolitsia appeared on the Kremennaya Svatovo line.

sv worked in the Belgorod direction even the hell when, it’s another matter that they don’t put them deep, here is another more interesting news on the topic of “cheap and cheerful” - ours began to use art sights capable of laying conventional shells with corrected accuracy

[Orange Bigg]

What kind of miracle sights are these? Or is it better not to give out military secrets.

[Ryazan87]

The answer does not contain a military secret: it turned out (after a year of war) that the compass and the paper guide were a little outdated. It turns out that special software was invented. Also correction from drones. The wonders of science...

[Arisaka]

Well, the paper guide, yes, of course, is outdated. And the compass, how can I remove it? You throw a projectile at 10-20-30km. It is necessary to accurately set the sight so that the coordinate grid matches. Foreign towed howitzers have exactly the same beads and poles. M777 howitzer baseline set up can be googled.

[Bad thing]

The law of dispersion no longer applies?

[poquello]

Quote: Bad

The law of dispersion no longer applies?

bombers used the Hermes sight back in Syria, I see no reason to be smart

[Bad thing]

And what about Hermes and artillery? Or the Chukchi writes anything?

[Zaurbek]

It works .... the more modern and longer the "Barrel", the greater the accuracy.

[Argon]

Shaw? Lunar landscape throughout the outskirts is cancelled? And now what to do? LDNR is lunar, and the rest of the outskirts will be offended!

[poquello]

Quote: Argon

Shaw? Lunar landscape throughout the outskirts is cancelled? And now what to do? LDNR is lunar, and the rest of the outskirts will be offended!

these are new buildings in Mariupol

and this is Grozny

[MeVED]

Do you suggest changing places? I'm afraid Kadyrov will not agree, it's still warmer in the Caucasus.

[poquello]

Quote: MeVED

Do you suggest changing places? I'm afraid Kadyrov will not agree, it's still warmer in the Caucasus.

I suggest shut up about lunar landscapes

as the character of the famous comedy said "I'll break it myself, I'll fix it myself"

[Terenin]

Quote: Argon

LDNR is lunar, and the rest of the outskirts will be offended!

We, they were not hired to dig gardens

[Maz]

It was the 394th day of the war, and only then did the ingenious headquarters realize what had to be understood after the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. Or after Mariupol. Well, anyway. Than never.

[Orange Bigg]

Progress on the face. Let's remember where we started.

Supply columns of the Russian Armed Forces arrived in the Kyiv region. On Thursday, March 10, Izvestia received a video with passing vehicles. During the conversation, one of the servicemen said that the trucks contained more than 140 tons of food and water for residents of Ukrainian settlements affected by looting and the actions of the national battalions, which led to a humanitarian catastrophe.

https://iz.ru/1302971/2022-03-10/kolonny-snabzheniia-rossiiskoi-armii-priekhali-v-kievskuiu-oblast

[vbi007]

You can also bring the state maps for March 25, 2022, they differ significantly from the current maps. What is the reason? Surely Potanin's hand with "friends" and the Istanbul agreement are visible.

[Terenin]

Quote: Maz

It was the 394th day of the war, and only then in the brilliant headquarters did I realize ...

Where are we in a hurry?
It's Russia. Here they harness for a long time because it will be necessary to go - far.

[Fitter65]

Quote: tralflot1832

I hope this is true, the long-awaited self-propelled gun Kaolitsia appeared on the Kremennaya Svatovo line.

Well, what are you like, immediately "Coalition" !!! Haven't you read an article called "Where will the T-54s go?" from the guru Skomorokhov? It is also written in Russian on the screen,

Of course, the removal of the T-62 from storage with the subsequent “modernization” is definitely an act of desperation, since even working in three shifts it is impossible to compensate for the losses that the army suffered under the leadership of our most talented generals.

Everything, what coalitions are there, what T-90s, what are you? Look how they burn our tanks ... An act of desperation, and on Monday 4 Polish Leopards will leave and ...

[Nexcom]

and then we have an "iron kaput" ???

[Terenin]

Quote: Nexcom

and then we have an "iron kaput" ???

Yeah, 1001 kaputs like Chinese warnings

[SergeyB]

Quote: Fitter65

Well, what are you like, immediately "Coalition" !!! Haven't you read an article called "Where will the T-54s go?" from the guru Skomorokhov? It is also written in Russian on the screen,
Of course, the removal of the T-62 from storage with the subsequent “modernization” is definitely an act of desperation, since even working in three shifts it is impossible to compensate for the losses that the army suffered under the leadership of our most talented generals.

Well, of course!!)
Some people don't get one simple fact:
There are no superfluous weapons in the army. There is only the weapon with which you can arm the people in the army.
Recall that we have called an additional 300 thousand people into the army. And where to get weapons / tanks for them?
There are no weapons for them in the army. So it is necessary to remove from storage or produce a new one.
And in my opinion it is quite obvious that a large number of tanks being removed from storage is associated with the need to equip an additional 300 thousand people drafted into the army.
But there are people who invent crazy versions about the colossal losses of our army. And that they say it is precisely with this that the removal from storage of a mass of military equipment is connected.
What is this for?
To kick the leadership of our country. And sow distrust of the authorities and tear apart.

[Plate]

Quote: SergeyB

And in my opinion it is quite obvious that a large number of tanks being removed from storage is associated with the need to equip an additional 300 thousand people drafted into the army.

At the end of 2021, there were 7000 T-72s and 3000 T-80s in stock. The meaning of using all sorts of T-62s and T-54s is completely incomprehensible to me against such a background.

[Guran33 Sergey]

And of course you don’t know that this is NWO? And of course you haven’t heard how the semi-official people of Poland (and this is NATO!) regularly notify the EU (and everything is in NATO there too!) - the outskirts will begin to lose, they will help the occupation of the western part (how else to call the entry of troops into the territory of a neighboring country) we successfully and referenda were held in an organized manner and de jure we are on our territory. And now there is an unreduced supply of tanks in storage, and in connection with the 2,500,000 US army, 1,500,000 armies of their allies and ours at the beginning of the SVO 500,000 ... An unreduced mobilization stock of equipment and weapons huge .. Of course there are losses, but they are not catastrophic like those near the outskirts, where this irreducible supply has already run out, and as it was said above - 300,000 mobiles and an unknown number of volunteers are re-arming T-62, T-54 and naturally extreme models directly from the assembly line ..

[Sergej1972]

Where does the figure of two and a half million people for the US military come from? I have not seen such a figure in any source. Or are you operating on data from thirty or forty years ago? Even the Chinese armed forces have just over two million troops.

[SergeyB]

Quote: Plate

At the end of 2021, there were 7000 T-72s and 3000 T-80s in stock. The meaning of using all sorts of T-62s and T-54s is completely incomprehensible to me against such a background.

And how does it follow from the fact that along with the T-72 and T-80, T-62 and T-54 are supplied that we suffered huge losses?
But to answer your question specifically, I can make the following assumption:
All factories / workshops that can restore the T-72 are fully loaded. And those factories / workshops that were left unloaded have technical equipment for the restoration of only the T-62.
Well, our country cannot restore the T-72 in greater numbers. But in addition to the T-72, the T-62 can also be restored.
The war is on now. And tanks are needed now.
And what do you think is better for our fighters. Get 10 T-72 tanks and plus 10 T-62 tanks.
Or get only 10 T-72 tanks?
The answer is obvious.
Each T-62 or T-54 tank means that 3-4 of our soldiers will not go into battle with Kalash, but will go under the protection of powerful armor and with an accurate cannon and machine guns.

[Plate]

Well, honestly, I don’t even know who is safer on the battlefield - in a modern UPC for an infantryman or in an old tank for a tanker. Seriously, on the tanks of that time, after all, the protection is much weaker, but at the same time, it is no more difficult to aim at them from the anti-tank systems.

[MeVED]

So what happens? If only crossbows and a copy were not found? And then they will send them to tanks, because there is nothing superfluous in the army.

[VladimirNET]

You give MASS production of "wings" for air bombs,
so that the offensive goes faster, and without losses!

[dementor873]

It has long been possible to purchase the required number of 3D printers or place an order in China. But, we haven't started yet.

[shikin]

Yes, it's simple for an officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And "adding wings and GPS" means adding a control system with rudders, drives and power, and a guidance system. It remains to add another engine - and a tactical missile is ready. I don’t think that a simple solid propellant rocket engine costs a lot, but everything else costs a lot. Maybe it's still easier and faster to increase the production of existing guided aircraft munitions?

[begemot20091]

I am always surprised when amateurs! start talking about cost. It's worth ... a penny. I recently laid out the cost of an implant made of the most expensive metal used by dentists on the shelves. Believe it or not - 3 rubles per market day. This is if you sharpen them on "watch" machines manually. everything else is from the evil one. You think why this is one of the most prosperous businesses under any government. And who saddled him? Where are those brave Japs who many years ago came up with the idea of ​​growing new teeth in place of the removed one? An honest military representative sat with us at the factory = and so, there was practically no difference between a military device and a civilian one in terms of price. only the difference in the cost of some materials. These are our managers, if they don’t get 500% gain on a donut hole, they won’t move their ass. Remember the movie "Chief of Chukotka". The system of taxation is very well described there. Here Mironov recently raised the issue of VAT refund: we are driving raw materials for export, back at exorbitant prices "added value" from this raw material, and even VAT. And all profits are offshore. So the "nail" in the gun carriage, made of wire on a nailing machine for 3 kopecks in Uncle Vasya's garage, costs at least 30 rubles after the paper circulation through the offshore. (as they say, feel the difference. And do not pout). A good example is the road to Skolkovo. Innovative. If my memory serves me right, the price of this project is 4 mm of gold across the entire width of the road from the city of Geroya Moscow to Chubais's office. Where's the money, Zin?

[shikin]

Well, then open your own production of precision-guided munitions "for a penny", and you will be honored and glorified. And judging by your words, the same Geraniums and Lancets can be made three pieces per ruble.
And my comment was that a bomb with "wings and GPS" in essence (in terms of complexity and cost) differs little from the guided weapons already being produced.

[begemot20091]

old me to open production. and when the capital was made, I went in uniform. but before that ... you are right: he participated in the production. To the Very Large, than today we hammer and I had a hand. To be honest, it was cheap. Approached (do not believe it) the waste of one of the plants in the Perm region. Well, a piece of happiness from the city of brides.

[Andy_nsk]

And my comment was that a bomb with "wings and GPS" in essence (in terms of complexity and cost) differs little from the guided weapons already being produced.

Since I have been working in high-tech production for more than forty years, I will contribute my five cents. The cost of the gps system is just miserable, it is a microcircuit and an antenna etched on a printed circuit board. The control system is also not super-duper: the controller is far from the highest performance, and electric drives, which, of course, are more durable than those in children's toys, but there is nothing super-technological in them either. The main difference from toys is metal instead of plastic. The cost will strongly depend on the serial number: the price per one product with a series of ten pieces and ten thousand pieces will differ many times!
Therefore, converting free-falling bombs into planning ones is not very expensive.
Now about rockets. Compare a planning one and a half ton bomb and Iskander: even in appearance it is clear that the Iskander is not comparable in cost to a bomb, its most expensive and complex part is the engine. And in terms of effectiveness, Iskander is three times weaker than a bomb, since its warhead is only 480 kg. Therefore, when it is possible to bomb the enemy with cruise bombs without entering the air defense strike zone, cruise bombs are preferable, and missiles are used to work on the rear so as not to risk aircraft and pilots.

[shikin]

I meant tactical missiles, not operational-tactical ones - these are different classes and there is no need to compare Iskander with a range of 500 km (and much more in the KR version) with a planning bomb or a tactical missile with a range of 30-70 km, such as Kh-59 or Thunder.

[shikin]

And also in terms of cost: in Soviet times, I saw at one plant a small, simple brushless electric motor worth two cars. But this engine was for a space satellite. The production is almost piece-by-piece, there are many different developments and tests on different stands (climatic, shock, vibration, etc.), which greatly increases the cost. And if such an engine fails in space, the entire satellite may fail.
So the complexity of the design is not always directly related to the cost.
A weapon, even a disposable one, must be reliable. A cheap glide bomb is of little use if its reliability is low.
And there is no need to compare the conditions of use and the reliability of the toy with military weapons.

[Andy_nsk]

A cheap glide bomb is of little use if its reliability is low.

What makes you think that the reliability of the planning bomb is low. And I didn’t write anywhere that the conditions for using toys and weapons are the same, I just pointed out that the electric drive of a high-precision bomb is a fairly simple product. And I don’t need to explain about the conditions of use: I am developing equipment that operates at 150 degrees C in conditions of wild overloads and vibrations, which do not exist in military equipment. And it works reliably!

[shikin]

The reliability of any product cannot be declared - it is only checked. An ordinary bolt can also fail if it is caught with a marriage. But the difference between military equipment and most civilian equipment is that at all stages - research, development, production - there are much more different checks and tests. And the reliability of the product is confirmed only by testing and subsequent use. And therefore, the cost of the same bolt in a toy and military equipment can differ significantly - due to the fact that this bolt will be checked more strictly. It is strange that you do not want to understand this. Reliability, proven, is worth a lot.
If you have cheap bulk cartridges and expensive ones with proven quality on the front line, which ones will you use?

[Andy_nsk]

I have been doing research and development work for more than forty years, incl. and was engaged in products with military acceptance. And now our company has a military representative. It's even funny that you are trying to explain elementary truths to me. Although, of course, thanks.

[Andy_nsk]

I meant tactical missiles, not operational-tactical ones - these are different classes and there is no need to compare Iskander with a range of 500 km (and much more in the KR version) with a planning bomb or a tactical missile with a range of 30-70 km, such as Kh-59 or Thunder.

This is generally incomparable with a one and a half ton bomb, the weight of its warhead is from 150 to 300 kg.

[shikin]

So you wrote about the complexity of the engine of an operational-tactical missile. And for short-range missiles, the solid-propellant rocket engine differs little from the projectile engine of the same Tornado or Grad.

[Zaurbek]

That's how it happens. There is also an intermediate option - a bomb with an engine.

[Terenin]

Quote: VladimirNET

to advance faster

On the other hand, the disadvantages of a fast offensive:
1. Logistics of supply and evacuation is stretched, and its security is reduced;
2. Huge investment in housing and infrastructure rehabilitation;
3. Creating jobs and issuing social benefits (pensions, maternity capital...)
4. Organization of the work of authorities and local self-government, the CAA, the law enforcement system (payment for business trips, increasing the load on the remaining ones (half a year on business trips, three months of rest for business trips, days off, overtime ...), as a result - an increase in crime in Russia ...

So, you need to master what can be digested without destructive insinuations.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

In order to destroy the pillboxes and pillboxes of the Ukronazis in the Donbass, as well as their bridges and logistics centers, we need them, oh, how we need them ...

[Orange Bigg]

I wonder if it is possible to make a UMPC for the FAB-3000? For attacks on bridges, it would be the most. Or a UMPC for the BETAB-1500.

[SergeyB]

Quote from Orange Bigg

I wonder if it is possible to make a UMPC for the FAB-3000? For attacks on bridges, it would be the most. Or a UMPC for the BETAB-1500.

I don’t understand why many people demand to make kits for turning simple bombs into high-precision ones?
What's the point of this?
There is a claim that JDAM type kits are very cheap. Why would that be!?
Let's look at two options for creating a precision bomb:
1) JDAM kit. That is, when the guidance and control units are made in the form of an external "harness", which must be attached to the body of an unguided bomb with clamps before use.
2) The bomb is initially manufactured as a high-precision one. The guidance and control units are mounted inside the bomb body.

So what makes JDAM cheaper? The guidance and control units in the first and second cases are the same (or at least similar). This means that they are approximately equal in value.
It turns out that the only way JDAM can be cheaper is the bomb body itself and explosives.
And I have repeatedly seen statements like: JDAM is put on free unguided bombs and turns them into precision weapons.
Why are these bombs free? Yes, because they have already been produced, which means that their cost can be ignored. Fuck the trick!
Just repeat the same thing about, say, a car or a computer that becomes free as soon as it leaves the factory. Funny.
OK. Let's figure it out, how much can you save on a bomb body? The cost of the JDAM kit is at least 25 thousand dollars. An unguided bomb costs about $1. All the so-called savings are 4 percent!
And now about the disadvantages of JDAM:
1) Additional costs for airfield services. After all, JDAM is actually a semi-finished product, not a weapon. If one technician is needed to prepare a bomb that was originally designed to be highly accurate. Which in 5 minutes, through the connector, will test the state of the ammunition with the computer and if everything is fine, the bomb is hung on the plane, then in the case of JDAM, several people will be required who will attach the "harness" for several tens of minutes, connecting the parts together and attaching them to the bomb.
That is, to use JDAM, several times more technical staff is needed. And you need to spend money on training these additional people and pay them a constant salary. And something tells me that these additional costs more than cover the mythical savings on the "free" bomb.
2) Deterioration of a number of characteristics of the ammunition. The JDAM "harness" placed on the bomb increases the frontal resistance of the ammunition, which leads to a reduction in its flight range, compared to a bomb that was originally created as a precision bomb.
That's it.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You have a lot of very controversial arguments, and they are given without evidence. That is why the kit that makes the bomb high-precision should be assembled by technicians at the airfield? It will most likely be assembled at the factory. And where did the 4 percent and the $25 cost come from? After all, you don’t give the cost of initially high-precision bombs. The same high-precision 152-mm projectile Krasnopol is much more expensive and carries less explosive. Of course, there is also the cost of an air sortie, but we need to take into account the targets that are being hit, which may initially be inaccessible to high-precision bombs and shells due to their insufficient weight.
Again, new natively guided bombs require raw materials, in particular explosives, and a full production cycle, which may not be in full.
But if we talk about initially high-precision bombs, and even with a sustainer engine, they are definitely more convenient and profitable. But is it possible to quickly increase the volume of their production in the right quantities?
That is, summing up your very very intelligent reasoning, we can conclude that they are not worth a penny, because the available volumes of a possible full cycle of production of new ammunition are unknown.

[SergeyB]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

at 25 thousand dollars

This is the cost of the JDAM kit according to Wiki. And a few months ago I saw the news about a contract for a new batch of JDAM. The unit cost was about the same.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The same high-precision 152-mm projectile Krasnopol is much more expensive and carries less explosive.

In principle, it is impossible to compare the cost of such different ammunition head-on.
The JDAM kit is larger in size and most likely in weight than the entire Krasnopol.
To place a JDAM analogue in Krasnopol, it is necessary to reduce the main elements by hundreds of times. Can this lead to a sharp increase in the final product?
Can.
It is also necessary that the main elements withstand overloads hundreds of times higher than the JDAM bomb kit. This can also drive up the cost.
That is why I am comparing two products, the only difference between which (by and large) is that the control and guidance units are attached either outside the bomb or inside the bomb.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

But if we talk about initially high-precision bombs, and even with a sustainer engine, they are definitely more convenient and profitable. But is it possible to quickly increase the volume of their production in the right quantities?

Russia produces several types of high-precision bombs (including gliders).
And my knowledge tells me that the forces and means invested in the expansion of existing production will give a much greater effect than the same investments in creating something practically from scratch and creating production from scratch.

[AlexWar]

Russia also knows how to make missiles that hit the target exactly, I think these missiles are still being stored in warehouses, as a trump card in a card game
If I were commander in chief, I would have destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper long ago. We have Shoigu, and gestures of goodwill to remove all equipment from Europe for disposal
You should probably expect when the trap for the APU slams shut.
So far, this is Ukraine, but it can be like in 1941 an Air raid on our country.
Right now, they are like wolves in the West, running around the victim.
Great War. 1 Series. Barbarossa.
Germans have fascism in their blood
America now imagines itself to be the country that rules the world. They have been preparing for this war for a long time. But after losing several wars, they decided that the best democracy for them is to pit the peoples. For America, the most important thing is money. They support their military industry
The United States agreed with Russia as two countries, but in fact the United States controls the whole of Europe. Even when I served in the army, our military spoke about NATO. And what about the NATO alliance until 2022? The United States will destroy Ukraine, in Ukraine the president, he did not look at those countries who were helped by the United States, for example, Afghanistan? Ukraine has elected a clown president, he is an actor, he plays. That his army is invincible. They shoot all the videos of how they win, although they don’t show how many they kill every day, that there are so many rocket shells and bombs flying in their direction
You watch the film and draw conclusions about the mistakes of the Red Army in 1941 and now.
The film indicates that the army of the USSR at the beginning of the war grew from 1,5 million to 5 million people and was not even ready. And so now. Everything is the same as an agreement with the United States, which limited offensive weapons

[AlexWar]

And what do we have now in Poland, as in 1941 the armored vehicles of the NATO country are not pulled together?

[Terenin]

Quote from Alexwar

Russia also knows how to make missiles that hit the target exactly, I think these missiles are still being stored in warehouses, as a trump card in a card game
If I were commander in chief, I would have destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper long ago. We have Shoigu, and gestures of goodwill to remove all equipment from Europe for disposal
You should probably expect when the trap for the APU slams shut.
So far, this is Ukraine, but it can be like in 1941 an Air raid on our country.
Right now, they are like wolves in the West, running around the victim.
Great War. 1 Series. Barbarossa.
Germans have fascism in their blood
America now imagines itself to be the country that rules the world. They have been preparing for this war for a long time. But after losing several wars, they decided that the best democracy for them is to pit the peoples. For America, the most important thing is money. They support their military industry
The United States agreed with Russia as two countries, but in fact the United States controls the whole of Europe. Even when I served in the army, our military spoke about NATO. And what about the NATO alliance until 2022? The United States will destroy Ukraine, in Ukraine the president, he did not look at those countries who were helped by the United States, for example, Afghanistan? Ukraine has elected a clown president, he is an actor, he plays. That his army is invincible. They shoot all the videos of how they win, although they don’t show how many they kill every day, that there are so many rocket shells and bombs flying in their direction
You watch the film and draw conclusions about the mistakes of the Red Army in 1941 and now.
The film indicates that the army of the USSR at the beginning of the war grew from 1,5 million to 5 million people and was not even ready. And so now. Everything is the same as an agreement with the United States, which limited offensive weapons

Well, then all the more so, what kind of rapid offensive do we want from our army?
That's not risky. Not everything is ready yet.

[topol717]

Quote from Alexwar

If I were commander in chief, I would have destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper long ago.

Good thing you're not the commander in chief.

[Fitter65]

According to him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are afraid that Russia will start massively modernizing old air bombs into precision-guided munitions.

Yes, this modernization was carried out back in the early 90s. In one of the issues of the magazine "Aviation and Cosmonautics" there was a whole article about how to make a KAB from a simple FAB.

[Soldatov V.]

I thought it was the Americans who came up with it, but there it is, the Russian land will not be depleted of talents.

[rocket757]

Again and again, about converting old ammunition / bombs into ... probably planning a shield with increased targeting accuracy.
As an intermediate option, temporary / forced, it can work.
Parameters, performance characteristics, specially made for such an application cannot be achieved, but enabling aviation to operate without flying into the zone of control / destruction of enemy air defense is a good result, for anyone.
Boom to see how it will be implemented in practice, and not in words, because here you need a LOT, in the necessary, significant amount, and not like that, for a red word!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote from Orange Bigg

I wonder if it is possible to make a UMPC for the FAB-3000? For attacks on bridges, it would be the most. Or a UMPC for the BETAB-1500.

Theoretically, it is possible, but it can be suspended at least on the TU-22M3, which is risky.

[kill the fascist]

Planning bombs would be very useful to disrupt the planned spring offensive of the Banderlogs. To bombard the places of concentration of the advancing enemy with inexpensive air bombs is "what the doctor ordered."

[begemot20091]

the Kremenchug bridge, Dormash, KrAZ, and the oil refinery in the glorious city of Kremenchug, the radio plant in Kirovograd, the Rivne and Pervomaiskaya nuclear power plants (engine rooms), The plant stands in the Yellow Waters - sorts uranium, that is, enriches it. And Kuev - under a flat floor, along with Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk. Rebuild - it will be necessary. Yes, drain the Kanev reservoir. Taras Shevchenko will be easier to look at the Dnipro from the other world. Everything should be enough.

[Yaro Polk]

it is already going massively .. 100 pounds ... enough for the Nazis .. more than enough.
I think soon bridges will be destroyed across the Dnieper .. in connection with the supply of armored vehicles promised by Westerners .. from all over Europe.

[Romanenko]

Russia has aerial bombs for 150 years of war, they are rightly afraid, but now they have attached "eyes" to them.

[Nord11]

Lads, and you cry to your uncle from Washington, maybe he will throw you a bunch of dollars as a consolation ..

[Marson35]

Yes, yes ... We have a lot of things, we also went through parades ...

[egorMTG]

- Does it make sense to make planning bombs (not guided) from shells of TOS systems, for use on drugs, due to the vulnerability of the TOCs themselves, due to their short range? ... unless, of course, there are an abundance of these shells ...

[viktor_ui]

What NEEDED to be done about 10 years ago ... only an hour is going to be put on stream. as the Ukrainians say, is it zrada or victory, cry or laugh??? Ugliness and narrow-mindedness in military planning is getting fluffier. Interestingly, in principle, we have a structure RESPONSIBLE for the introduction of promising developments for the needs of the army ... or is it like that?

[Egeny]

Russia ... is already using planning "smart" bombs" in combat

... well, they can, if they want. Well done.

should have done this 10 years ago

... Victor, well, at least a year ago.)

[mlad]

And let's put a thermal imager on the T-34 and go ahead! Something is not heard at all about the planning bomb DRILL. There, the aerodynamics are different and there are no extra canopies for old fat women, and I don’t think that the cost is much more.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Already a long time ago it was necessary to modernize all our bombs. GNPP "BASALT" suggested that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation do this back in the early 2000s.