Grooved and smooth armor: innovations in the first quarter of the XNUMXth century

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Grooved and smooth armor: innovations in the first quarter of the XNUMXth century


Stone walls of knights' castles, impregnable until then
did not resist the cannons of the townspeople;
the bullets of the burgher guns pierced the armor of the knights.
Together with the armored noble cavalry
the rule of the nobility also collapsed.

Friedrich Engels

History knightly weapons. The Hundred Years' War, which tormented France from 1337 to 1453, and the plague of 1346-1351 left a colossal mark on its history. All these events left a colossal imprint on the economy, psychology, culture and even the genetic composition of the population.



But even more went to the British, who, in addition to the defeat in France, then back in 1455-1485. fought in the internecine war of the roses, that is, they waged the War of the Scarlet and White Roses on their island. The war brought significant destruction and disaster to the population of the country. During the conflict, a large number of representatives of the English feudal aristocracy died.

As a result, by 1500, in the same England, a situation developed when there were simply few knights as such. And the people of knighthood themselves were not at all eager to carry out knightly service and fight again, when many other ways appeared to get rich and live for their own pleasure.

Gradually becoming a knight became more and more difficult. Under Queen Elizabeth, for example, the government began to request lists of candidates for the highest approval, and by the time of her death, knighting warriors had practically ceased. There were fewer knights, fewer castles, which now turned out to be simply not needed due to the increased power of artillery, on the one hand, and ... craving for the convenience and comfort of the nobility, on the other.

Nevertheless, the upbringing of boys from noble families, both in England and on the continent, was still very traditional. First of all, it was required to learn how to skillfully stay in the saddle, control the horse only with the legs, freeing up hands for possession weapons, and of course, to be in armor for a long time, not knowing fatigue.

For training, they used a stuffed animal, poles with a hinge, where at one end of the lever there was a target in the form of a shield, and at the other - a sandbag that hit the awkward rider in the back. Another simulator for the future knight was a ring suspended on the crossbar of a pillar. It took a lot of training to get into it at a gallop, but then the developed muscles of the hand and forearm then almost intuitively directed the heavy knight's spear at the target.

Tournaments were still very popular. And since in the same England King Henry VIII himself was their avid lover at that time, his entourage sought to please the king in everything and also did not lag behind him in “military fun”.

In Europe, the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire Maximilian I and the French King Francis I were not inferior to him in this hobby. Naturally, tournaments demanded armor, and armor in fashion, and the fashion for them changed in the same way as for everything else.


Equestrian armor of the armorer Christian Schreiner the Younger (1499–1528), c. 1505–1510 This armor is a rare example of the fluted or "Maximilian" style at a very early stage in its development. Armor was made either in Mühlau or in nearby Innsbruck shortly after Emperor Maximilian I (1459–1519) established his court armor-making workshop in Innsbruck in 1504. Little is known about their creator, Christian Schreiner the Younger. Few of his works have survived, and this armor is one of the most complete. In this armor and in the armor of the Innsbruck / Mühlau school in general, a strong Italian influence is noticeable. They are characterized by full rounded shapes and a sparing use of superficial ornamentation, in contrast to the purely German Gothic of slender proportions. Innsbruck. Weight 9 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


Cuirass with ledges and grooves. Work of the master Hans Meishtetter (1508–1533), c. 1510 Innsbruck. Weight 2 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


Cuirass, back, circa 1505–1510 Probably the work of Francesco Negroli (d. December 1519). Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The weakening of the feudal nobility occurred simultaneously with the growth of the power of the kings, who, precisely at the turn of the 1493th-1519th centuries. turned into truly autocratic sovereigns, capable of challenging the Vatican itself if desired. And if earlier the armament of each knight and the warriors subordinate to him was his personal affair, then in the last years of the XNUMXth century, knightly armament became a matter of special concern for European monarchs, and in particular Emperor Maximilian I (XNUMX–XNUMX), who is credited with creating knightly armor with grooves along surface, eventually called "Maximilian".

However, this name can be considered rather arbitrary, since most of the "Maximilian" armor was made long after his death in 1519. However, it can be fairly argued that it was Emperor Maximilian who gave a powerful impetus to the German production of knightly armor in the course of fierce competition from Italian gunsmiths.


Corrugated armor in the "Maximilian style" from Nuremberg, with a two-piece cuirass design, which, although typical of German Gothic armor, was quite unusual for this period. On the armor there is a manufacturer's mark in the form of a shield and an image of a half-lion or a bear above the letters LB. Production time is about 1520. The height of the armor is 175,26 cm. Weight 26,15 kg. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


German armor in the "Maximilian style" 1515-1520 The pointy shoes seem to have disappeared, and plate "boots" of the "bear paw" type are used instead. On the hands are gauntlets. The grooves cover almost all parts of the armor. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York.

This armor appeared somewhere around 1500, and the corrugated surface of this armor began above the knees. Leggings below the knees remained smooth, apparently due to the fact that the gunsmiths did not see the need to strengthen the protection of the shins and feet. The corrugated surface of the new armor created a beautiful play of sunlight on their surfaces and was definitely close to the fashion for pleating in the clothes of the nobility.

But in addition to its optical properties, the corrugation also increased the strength of the armor itself, which made it possible to make it thinner and therefore lighter, but with exactly the same level of protection. However, the technology for manufacturing such a surface was more complex compared to armor with a smooth surface and very laborious, which greatly increased the cost of the armor, so that these very beautiful but expensive armor disappeared without having existed for several decades.


"Maximilian Armor" from Nuremberg c. 1525. It consists of elements from at least three different but very similar pieces of armor, all made in Nuremberg when fluted armor was at its height. Height 170,2 cm. Weight 22,23 kg. Helmet weight 3 g. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


The same armor. Back view


Helmet with grooves and accordion visor


And this is how the helmet looked when the visor was raised ...


Plate "necklace" with a twisted "rope" side. Attached with shoulder straps


Two wambras with three-piece elbow pads, as was customary in Germany


Greave. Back view

It is very interesting that immediately after the appearance of corrugated armor in Germany, Italian masters immediately began to copy them, who reacted very quickly to any innovation. But in the same Milan, their production was abandoned already in 1520, and only in Germany they continued to be produced until 1540. At the same time, the city of Nuremberg remained the main center of their production all this time. Neither Innsbruck nor Augsburg, although they were recognized centers of armor production, could not be compared with him, at least in terms of their number.

Interestingly, almost simultaneously with the “Maximilian” armor, on which the grooves partly resembled the folds on clothes that were fashionable at that time, from the very beginning of the XNUMXth century, the so-called “costume armor” also came into fashion. They reproduced with much greater accuracy the fashionable at that time camisoles - purpuins and "from de chausses" ("top of trousers") - short trousers with slits. Moreover, in them, just like in the "Maximilian" armor, the leggings remained smooth, like stockings, called "ba de chausse" ("bottom of the pants"), which were then universally worn along with civilian clothing.

Since more and more puffy sleeves came into fashion at this time, it became impossible to imitate them in metal. However, in the Imperial Armory of the New Hovburg Palace in Vienna, one can see a costume armor with stunning sleeves, 1520 and signed in the name of the prestigious master Kolman Helmschmid. That is, there is a very funny transformation of knightly armor into ... a kind of ceremonial clothing of the feudal nobility.

Now they began to flaunt in armor not only at tournaments, but also in palaces, demonstrating their taste, significant financial capabilities and ... a desire to serve the king, pleasing his exacting gaze with their unusual and expensive outfit!


The unusual armor of Wilhelm von Roggendorf, the work of the gunsmith Kolman Helmschmid (1471–1532), also belongs to "costume armor". Engraver Daniel Hopfer (1471–1536). Made around 1523. The armor looks like the traditional clothes of the German landsknechts. Imperial Arsenal of New Hovburg Palace in Vienna. Author's photo

It is interesting that arme helmets, which appeared in the middle of the XNUMXth century, with new, grotesque visors depicting a frightening-looking face with hooked noses and protruding mustaches, and besides, often wearing glasses, began to be worn on the front exits to the armor. Strange "faces" on the helmet visors were also associated with the fact that tournaments at that time were often held during carnivals, and it was customary to wear a variety of masks, including a frightening one.


The helmet shown in this photograph belonged to Duke Ulrich von Württemberg (1487–1550). The work of the master armorer Wilhelm Cervey the Elder (1501–1538, Nuremberg). Imperial Arsenal of New Hovburg Palace in Vienna. Author's photo

That is, the ceremonial function of knightly armor has now become the main one.

The spear hook disappeared on them, and they even stopped making holes for attaching it. The armor became symmetrical, as the protective asymmetry was no longer needed and, of course, the armor now began to be very richly decorated! Such armor now increasingly replaced court clothes, so a very paradoxical situation arose: the feudal nobility began to fight less often, but wore knightly armor much more often!

And at the door of the royal chambers there was a guard in ceremonial armor and with round shields in their hands, which have already lost all meaning, but are very beautiful.

As a result, the armor, in fact, turned into a means of capitalization, while they literally lost their practical significance before our eyes.


The easiest way was to gild the armor! Here, for example, is the armor of Emperor Maximilian I (1459-1519), made by Francesco da Merate (1480-1508). Imperial Arsenal of New Hovburg Palace in Vienna. Author's photo


The same armor is a rear view. By the way, we see typical Milanese armor of the late XV - early XVI century.

The easiest way to turn almost any armor into ceremonial ones was to gild them. Various methods were used, but the most accessible was fire gilding using mercury amalgam. Gold was dissolved in mercury, then the parts of the armor were covered with the resulting composition and heated. Gold bonded strongly with iron, but mercury vapor was a great danger to those who used this method.

Plating was another method of gilding: the details of the armor were heated and covered with gold or silver foil, after which they were smoothed with a special “ironer”. It turned out a strong "golden" coating. Moreover, in Augsburg, the masters used this method already in 1510.

And now they also began to decorate armor with the help of engraving. It would be rather difficult to decorate the same cuirass on Gothic armor in this way - the belts in front and behind would interfere. But now there were no straps on the new one-piece forged cuirasses, and nothing prevented them from depicting entire artistic compositions on them.

So after 1500, another direction arose in the work of gunsmiths - armor engraving. It is clear that on the "Maximilian" armor, the presence of corrugations on them for engraved "pictures" did not leave room for them, but since smooth armor was still produced, engraving, as a way of decorating them, became very popular.


Cuirass with cuisses, possibly by Kohlmann Helmschmid c. 1510–1520 The engraved images are attributed to Daniel Hopfer (1471–1536), a famous engraver and etcher. Hopfer was a pioneer in the technique of making prints from etched metal plate, which revolutionized engraving in the 8th century. The figures on the breastplate depict the main Christian saints, including the Virgin and Child surrounded by St. George and St. Christopher. Augsburg. Weight 845 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


The same cuirass. Back view. On the back plate, Saint Anna with the Mother of God and the Child is surrounded by Saints James the Great and Sebastian. The figure of Saint Sebastian pierced by arrows is copied from a woodcut made around 1507 by Hans Baldung Grien (1484 or 1485–1544)

Among other innovations in the field of armor, the beginning of which can be attributed to the year 1500, it should be noted the simplification of the design of combat armor. Thus, throughout the XNUMXth century, the front and back of the cuirass were usually made in two pieces, loosely riveted together in the German fashion, or fastened together with straps and buckles in the Italian fashion, to provide additional mobility to the body. That is, the entire cuirass consisted of four parts: two parts in front - the upper (“bristplate”) and lower (“placard”), and two behind.

Such a device made it easier to wear plate armor and increased the mobility of the torso and shoulder girdle. In addition, there was an opportunity for savings. One cuirass could be divided in half and the lower part of the cuirass could be given to one warrior, and the upper part to the other. In any case, even such protection was better than none at all!

By the way, the cuirass - the breastplate and its back plate - was the last element added to the full knightly armor made of "white metal". And this happened by no means due to the lack of appropriate skills among the gunsmiths, since by the middle of the XIV century they already knew how to make skillfully articulated protective armor for arms and legs, but rather due to the fact that the knights, after flexible chain mail, simply did not want to enclose themselves into an unyielding iron "corset".

And only by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, they had already clearly resigned themselves to the need to wear a completely rigid cuirass of just two solid forged plates.


Typical Gothic German-style cuirass, c. 1480 Weight 2 Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


Cuirass Italian or Flemish c. 1490–1500 One of the first one-piece cuirasses, replacing the previous Gothic forms, which consisted of two parts. The shape of this cuirass, and especially the fringes around the opening for the neck and arms, became characteristic of a new type of armor created in Italy and then copied in Flanders. Weight 4 g.

But now the cuirass has acquired a rounded, globular shape, and besides, it began to consist of only two parts, front and back, connected on the sides and shoulders, where the straps were closed with shoulder pads and a plate "necklace".

Pointed plate shoes with long protruding noses disappeared. Now, because of their shape, they have received the name "bear's paw", and it is known that such appeared already in 1505. At the same time, there is a mass distribution of plate gauntlets in the form of gauntlets, and not gloves. The protection of the elbow and neck also becomes very thoughtful.

And at the same time, around 1512, the first ... half-armor appeared, that is, such armor in which there were no plate leggings. And it is obvious that their appearance was due to practical necessity, otherwise no one would have begun to produce or wear them!
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  1. +7
    April 1 2023 04: 54
    corrugation also increased the strength of the armor itself

    It was always interesting, did the craftsmen making such armor make some kind of engineering calculation of this corrugation (stiffening ribs) or did they work on a whim, by a simple "poke method"?
    1. +7
      April 1 2023 08: 06
      Quote: Luminman
      It was always interesting, did the craftsmen making such armor make some kind of engineering calculation of this corrugation (stiffening ribs) or did they work on a whim, by a simple "poke method"?

      Well, who can say this, except for themselves?
      1. +5
        April 1 2023 09: 22
        Quote: kalibr
        Well, who can say it, except for themselves

        Surely, some kind of "technical documentation" has been preserved, or whatever-it-it-is-called...
        1. +3
          April 1 2023 10: 38
          Surely, some kind of "technical documentation" has been preserved, or whatever-it-it-is-called...
          Not preserved. For one simple reason - industrial espionage was not invented yesterday.
          Hello, colleague!
    2. +6
      April 1 2023 10: 14
      Hardly calculations, hardly a poke method. I believe that personal experience and constant experimentation, creative search played a more significant role.
    3. +2
      April 1 2023 14: 40
      Quote: Luminman
      It was always interesting, did the craftsmen making such armor make some kind of engineering calculation of this corrugation (stiffening ribs) or did they work on a whim, by a simple "poke method"?
      .
      And you might think that modern engineers do not work according to the same "poke" method.
      1. +3
        April 1 2023 21: 33
        This is how inventors work. For designers and developers, this definition is sometimes used as a curse word.
  2. +8
    April 1 2023 05: 11
    Traditional thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich, although I don’t agree about the fact that England lost the color of its knighthood in the last years of the 100-year war and the fight against the Scarlet and White Roses!
    The knights of Foggy Albion were “eaten by sheep.” These bloodthirsty predators killed, contrary to the general opinion, not only the peasants, but the entire old army system of Britain, which, in fact, was strong not with its knights, but with yeomen (archers).
    However, the new economy also gave birth to a new recruitment system. Yes, the institution of recruitment, with the inevitable anecdotal situations.
    Thanks again, good day to everyone - April 1 comrades happens once a year !!!
    1. +6
      April 1 2023 07: 14
      Thank you Vladislav!

      Happy April! I love this month.

      And sheep and goats in general caused serious damage even to civilization, even to forests.
      1. +7
        April 1 2023 08: 41
        Good morning everyone! smile
        I join in gratitude to Vyacheslav! good
        Beautiful work can be simply contemplated to cheer up. We were especially pleased with the amazing purity and clarity of Daniel Hopfer's work on the cuirass, just wonderful!
        It has amazing graphics!

      2. +10
        April 1 2023 08: 44
        Hello, Sergey!
        Happy April! I love this month.

        Yeah, especially his first number. wink Seven years ago, and on the First of April, I had gangrenous appendicitis. laughing
        1. +6
          April 1 2023 08: 55
          Hi Constantine!

          There were a lot of things these days.
          For example, on April 1st, a valid version of the passport was issued.

          2nd - an engineering degree.

          Which confirms the frivolity of their owner.
          1. +6
            April 1 2023 09: 15
            On April 1st, a valid version of the passport was issued.

            Active??!!! belay
            But ... laughing
            Well, everyone loves to joke. wassat
          2. +1
            April 2 2023 15: 19
            maybe you should start with this? On the first of April, we always waited for the price to go down.
      3. +6
        April 1 2023 08: 57
        Quote from Korsar4
        I love this month.

        April? I like it too. However, like January, February, March, and so on. Happy weekend, friends and comrades! hi
        Good morning Sergey!
        1. +7
          April 1 2023 09: 17
          Seryoga, hello! drinks NHL broke up, you know? Yes
          1. +4
            April 1 2023 11: 18
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Sergei, hello! NHL broke up, you know?

            Hi! hi
            What kind of nonsense? Tonight / according to our time / regular matches took place. Where does this * stuffing * come from? am
            1. Fat
              +7
              April 1 2023 11: 24
              hi Hello, Sergey!
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              .Where does this * stuffing * come from?

              April 1st smile
              1. +7
                April 1 2023 11: 26
                Quote: Thick
                April 1st

                Oh!!! And damn it!!!! I bought it!!! laughing laughing laughing
                Damn, thanks for the giveaway! bully I laugh.
            2. +6
              April 1 2023 12: 07
              Where does this *throw* come from? am


              From me. Yes


              Happy April XNUMXst, my friend! laughing drinks
          2. +6
            April 1 2023 11: 27
            And everyone lined up for the casting in CSKA. How. Everyone has been talking about it since morning. Where to buy shares?
        2. +6
          April 1 2023 11: 26
          Good morning, Seryozha!

          I love all months. But April is special.
          1. +5
            April 1 2023 20: 07
            I love all months. But April is special.

            Yes. April is a special month. He will bring a real spring

            1. +5
              April 1 2023 20: 54
              April is a special month. He will bring a real spring


              After March teaches her something wink , and there May is on the way ...

      4. +2
        April 2 2023 11: 32
        Quote from Korsar4
        goats generally caused serious damage to civilization, even to forests.

        I came across the phrase of a certain forester that "for the gardening of the Sahara it is necessary to kill all the goats and goatherds."
    2. +10
      April 1 2023 08: 11
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Knights of Foggy Albion - "ate the sheep."

      This is a separate and very interesting question. Maybe I can tell you more about this.
    3. +8
      April 1 2023 10: 36
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      England lost the color of its knighthood in the last years of the 100 year war and the fight against the Scarlet and White Roses - I do not agree!

      Hello, Vlad. I think it's correct to disagree. smile
      The number of titles and manors was finite and was always less than the number of those wishing to possess them, so that the loss of knights during hostilities was easily replenished. The wars of the knights were not to be destroyed or even reduced - a sort of Lernean hydra.
      But I would not speak so unambiguously about sheep either. The yeomen suffered more from the sheep than the gentry.
      I would not talk about the disappearance of the knights at all. They didn't disappear. They were translated. There were some axolotls, and then again! - and became ambistomers. They seem to be similar, but not the same.
      1. +6
        April 1 2023 10: 46
        Unfortunately, Shpakovsky never takes into account the economy of the European Middle Ages ...
        1. +5
          April 1 2023 13: 14
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Unfortunately, Shpakovsky never takes into account the economy of the European Middle Ages ...

          That's all I do! And as a rule, I preface my texts about armor (so as not to rack my brains!), with texts taken from Christopher Gravett, David Nicol, taken from the corresponding books. And it is they who at first always write a little about historical realities and the economy. True, I rewrite their texts well, check for novelty according to the Text Guide, but the meaning of the rewritten does not change ha ha. And I think that they know their own history no worse than you, Anton.
          1. +2
            April 1 2023 13: 28
            Quote: kalibr
            That's all I do ... though, I rewrite their texts well, check for novelty according to the Text Guide, but the rewritten does not change the meaning ha ha

            Confessions of a plagiarist (TM). Where the world is heading... request
            1. +2
              April 1 2023 14: 10
              confession of a plagiarist (TM). Mdya, where the world is heading ... request

              Puffs in the studio?
              1. +4
                April 1 2023 14: 14
                Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                Confessions of a plagiarist (TM). Mdya, where the world is heading ... request

                Puffs in the studio?


                I ask fellow
            2. +5
              April 1 2023 16: 12
              Quote: Repellent
              Repellent (R)

              What is not plagiarism today? And then ... what can be plagiarism with a level of novelty of 90-100%? I don't do less. Because then I use the articles in my books. The publisher will check the text of the chapter for novelty, and will issue an Internet link to the VO. Can you plagiarize yourself? So these are the realities of today - do not live in yesterday!
            3. +10
              April 1 2023 16: 15
              Quote: Repellent
              Confessions of a plagiarist

              Reply of a slacker.
              If not for this "plagiarist", you personally would not have seen and learned a lot of things. Thank you would say better.
              By the way, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I, as usual, carried away by the topic, forgot to express my gratitude for the material. hi
              Treat such weaknesses of mine indulgently. smile
              1. -3
                April 1 2023 18: 32
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                If it were not for this "plagiarizer", you personally would not have seen and learned a lot of things

                Um. Where and what I (personally) learn - you are not given to know. Buddy negative

                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Thank you would say better

                I see no reason. Fiction on any topic, such as what is called "history" here, in particular, is of little interest to me. Something like this request
              2. +3
                April 1 2023 18: 37
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Treat such weaknesses of mine indulgently.

                Dear Mikhail! In the book "Captain Blood's Odyssey" there is a phrase "I am also a thief and a pirate, so I am lenient with people of my kind." Remembering your excellent articles, I hasten to inform you that the person who writes this was not a Ph.D. I am not only indulgent, but doubly indulgent.
          2. +3
            April 1 2023 16: 52
            And I think that they know their history as well as you, Anton.
            The big is seen from the outside, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
            1. +3
              April 1 2023 18: 33
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Big seen from the side

              In any case, I can refer to them, even quote the original, if necessary. Specify page .... I cannot refer to you. Although you can also refer to someone and quote pages. Why not?
  3. +8
    April 1 2023 07: 12
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    “Frugality is an excellent quality,” she said with satisfaction.
    duchess. - When I married Paisley, he had eleven locks and no
    one habitable house.
    - And now he has twelve houses and not a single castle! - said the lady
    Windermere.
    You see, honey, I love...
    “Comfort,” Mr. Podgers said, “comfort and hot water in
    every bedroom. You are absolutely right, Your Grace. Comfort is
    the only thing civilization can give us.
    1. +7
      April 1 2023 09: 25
      Zaitsev quickly got used to the UGRO. He was now wearing an old overcoat narrow at the shoulders, with nothing more than turning up the collar. He pulled the cap up to the very eyebrows, so that the fiery red hair was not visible. And he proudly looked at everyone, slightly rolling his angry gray eyes, like a medieval museum knight. Back in the spring, at a book market, he bought a filthy book of 1909 with a description of Japanese methods of fighting Jiu-Jitsu, collected, as indicated on the cover, by the head of the secret police, Prof. Ashaga, to help detectives, sailors and gentlemen officers who want to improve their muscles. Having thus become the owner of all these cunning methods of struggle, Zaitsev was downright eager for activity, stormy, risky, dizzying, ready even now to put his entire eighteen-year life at stake. (c) "P. Nilin" Trial period "

      Greetings, Sergey hi Knowing your love for rare old books, I can send this very pocket guide to prof. Ashaga - exactly 1909. Have a nice new day everyone! drinks
      Thanks to the author for interesting illustrations good
      1. +4
        April 1 2023 11: 28
        Greetings, Dmitry!

        Send if possible.
        1. +6
          April 1 2023 15: 06
          Package sent
          Receive and sign smile
  4. +8
    April 1 2023 07: 43
    Good morning everyone!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich was pleased with the armor of the beginning of the XNUMXth century!
    I especially liked the unusual armor of Wilhelm von Roggendorf,
    and really extraordinary, a kind of iron landsknecht.
    I've been to this museum twice... and somehow I missed it. belay
    hi
    1. +8
      April 1 2023 08: 08
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      ..and somehow missed

      And how much I missed there... Oh! By the way, now due to "this terrible war and sanctions" I can't use their own photos. So that. Good morning Edward!
      1. +5
        April 1 2023 09: 46
        Unusual armor of Wilhelm von Roggendorf, the work of the gunsmith Kolman Helmschmid

        and here is their museum view from all sides






        1. +8
          April 1 2023 09: 53
          Wilhelm Freiherr von Roggendorf (1481 - August 25, 1541) - Austrian military commander and chamberlain.

          Wilhelm was the son of Kaspar von Rogendorf and Magdalena von Wildhaus. In 1491 he entered the service of the Habsburgs and was governor in Friesland from 1517 to 1520. In the second half of the 1520s he was the court master of Archduke Ferdinand. He also commanded heavy cavalry under his brother-in-law Niklas Count Salm (1459-1530) during the 1529 Turkish siege. The following year, he was appointed general manager and in the following years was one of the most influential politicians in the circle of King Ferdinand I. In 1539 he resigned his post, but was soon appointed commander of the armed forces that were sent to conquer Budas (the German kiln) in 1541. During the siege of the Turkish fortress of Buda, which was disastrous for the Habsburgs, he was wounded, fled to the island of Schutt, but died a few days later in Sommerein (Shamorin)
          Fig. Coat of arms of the barons of Rogendorf (woodcut by Albrecht Dürer, 1520)
          1. +2
            April 1 2023 18: 36
            In the second half of the 1520s he was the court master of Archduke Ferdinand.

            The word Hofmeister literally does not need to be translated - the meaning is lost. Chamberlain - position - manager of the royal or imperial court. Since the XNUMXth century in the Holy Roman Empire - something like a privy adviser to a monarch.
        2. +8
          April 1 2023 11: 43


          Subtly reminded:

          Zadolbalo this "text is too short." am
          1. +5
            April 1 2023 16: 03
            Trilobite Master (Mikhail):

            Your professional sense has not let you down, Trilobite Master. This is definitely your client. Yes

            Greetings Michael hi drinks
            1. +6
              April 1 2023 16: 22
              Greetings, Dmitry.
              I know this trilobite. This is Zhenyok from the Bobrovaya Zavodka, they sometimes meet with my Syoma, that they rub something with shells, they probably tell the news. Normal trilobite, not quarrelsome. Not like Arseny from Sharp Luki. He has a disgusting personality.
              smile
        3. +5
          April 1 2023 13: 16
          That's it, Richard, it's good that sanctions do not apply to you!
          1. +4
            April 1 2023 16: 15
            So what's the problem, Vyacheslav? These sanctions are easy to get around. Insert photos in your articles in transit through me Yes I will take the customs duty not expensive laughing drinks
            1. +2
              April 1 2023 18: 29
              Quote: Richard
              These sanctions are easy to bypass.

              It takes a long time to explain, Richard, why nothing can be done in this particular case. But there are difficulties here. As they say - there is nothing better than virtuous behavior. But in the library of Nuremberg and the Royal Arsenal in Leeds they gave permission !!!
    2. +2
      April 1 2023 16: 59
      You shouldn't fret. Our parents didn't have that either.
  5. +3
    April 1 2023 09: 13
    This is how modern reenactor Eric Dube makes such armor - [media=https://www.youtube.com/@ArmureDube/videos]
    1. +1
      April 1 2023 09: 37
      It seems to me that the gunsmiths and knights of that time underestimated the capabilities of corrugated armor, if the corrugations (according to modern corrugations), for example, on a cuirass, were placed not vertically, but horizontally, then such a transversely corrugated cuirass could deform like an accordion, it could be tilted left-right and back and forth, plus it could lengthen and shorten a little at the same time (albeit without twisting) and, most importantly, elastic deformations would require the knight’s energy to be minimal. Of course, all this is possible only in thin-walled corrugated armor elements made of elastic steel.
      By the way, elastic deformation in the corrugations could effectively dampen the impact energy, including, for example, when falling from a horse.
    2. +4
      April 1 2023 09: 42
      Looked. Very interesting. What it is necessary to have a firm hand, however. Thanks for the addition. True, it was more difficult for the masters of the New Age - there were no gas burners and an electric grinder. Everyone turned their hands...
      1. +1
        April 1 2023 14: 20
        Looked. Very interesting. What it is necessary to have a firm hand, however. Thanks for the addition.

        Addition, of course, interesting. Unfortunately, the author is far from understanding the theory of elasticity in particular and strength of materials in general, therefore, from a technical point of view, his commentary is complete, how to put it mildly, nonsense, or something.
      2. +3
        April 1 2023 14: 34
        Modern reenactors can also make using old technologies, but then the price tag goes off scale. For example, a simple helmet according to all the old technologies - from a cracker, in a coal furnace, etc. maybe over 500.
        1. +2
          April 1 2023 16: 15
          You can copy a lot, but why?
  6. +11
    April 1 2023 10: 05
    On the back plate, Saint Anna with the Mother of God and the Child is surrounded by Saints James the Great and Sebastian. Figure of Saint Sebastian pierced with arrows

    And how beautiful the "domes" would look here! laughing
    "Yes, I took eight castles!" wassat
    1. +9
      April 1 2023 10: 32
      "And on the left chest, the profile of Stalin,
      And on the right, Nadyukha full face "(C)
      1. +6
        April 1 2023 10: 59
        So it seems not Nadyuha smile
        Greetings Anton hi
        1. +9
          April 1 2023 11: 20
          Marina was there. And I think we even know her last name. smile
    2. +9
      April 1 2023 10: 52
      "Yes, I took eight castles!"


      "Kazan took, Astrakhan took, Revel took ... Shpak did not take." (c)

  7. +8
    April 1 2023 10: 29
    The weakening of the feudal nobility occurred simultaneously with the growth of the power of the kings, who, precisely at the turn of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. turned into truly autocratic sovereigns, capable of challenging the Vatican itself if desired.
    Here the author is wrong. The Vatican was challenged by Old Harry and Frederick Barbarossa. Philip the Handsome was so crazy that he organized the "Avignon sitting", which led to the "great Western split".
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +8
      April 1 2023 11: 16
      Yes, dads who just didn’t challenge. Recall at least the struggle for investiture.
      1. +3
        April 1 2023 12: 01
        The struggle for jevesity is a particular example. I think the question is a little deeper.
        1. +8
          April 1 2023 13: 10
          Deeper than what? smile
          Deeper than the struggle for investiture?
          Yes, there were about fifty antipopes alone!
  8. +6
    April 1 2023 11: 20
    ... in the last years of the 1493th century, knightly armaments became the subject of special concern for European monarchs, and in particular Emperor Maximilian I (1519–XNUMX), who is credited with creating knightly armor with grooves on the surface, eventually called "Maximilian".

    However, this name can be considered rather arbitrary, since most of the "Maximilian" armor was made long after his death in 1519. However, it can be fairly argued that it was Emperor Maximilian who gave a powerful impetus to the German production of knightly armor in the course of fierce competition from Italian gunsmiths.

    A little further.
    In German literature, three terms are used in relation to the described armor:
    - Riefelharnisch - "corrugated armor";
    - Maximiliansharnisch - "Maximilian armor";
    - Pfeifenharnisch - "tubular armor".
    That is, not every armor that has a characteristic surface with grooves is "Maximilian". In order for the armor to be called such, in addition to the grooves, it must also have the appropriate forms in the style of the Milanese armor "alla tedesca". In other words, by combining, in fact, the Gothic and Milanese styles, they got "Maximilian".
    But who "connected" is a debatable question. Whether this is Maximilian I himself, or one of the masters, has not yet been reliably established.
    As for the Pfeifenharnisch - "tube armor", which is a development of Riefelharnisch, this is an armor in which the fins are made from separately forged steel tubes, which are then attached to a smooth surface. Such armor was made in the period from 1500 to 1530.

    Children's Pfeifenharnisch of Emperor Charles V, son of Philipp von Habsburg, made by Hans Rabeiler around 1511-1512.
    This technology was very labor-intensive, respectively, the prices for such armor, in today's language, "went off scale", therefore, by the middle of the XNUMXth century, interest in them faded.
    1. +3
      April 1 2023 13: 35
      Florence has the Museo Nazionale del Bargello (National Museum of the Bargello). The museum is small, but it has a Sala delle Armature (armor room), where you can see a very interesting exhibit in terms of today's article.

      This is the hall. An interesting exhibit is the first on the right.

      Milanese armor of Giuliano (Julian) di Lorenzo de' Medici, Duke de Nemours. Dated 1515. As you can see, the task of increasing strength with a minimum weight was solved by the Milanese masters similarly to the German ones, but "there are nuances."
      1. +5
        April 1 2023 14: 25
        I wrote about the Bargelo Museum, but I could not get this photo. Very interesting! Thank you!
        1. +3
          April 1 2023 15: 25
          but this photo was not obtained.

          This photo is my own. It's just that everyone who more or less owns the "art of photography" takes pictures from the same optimal position from which the glass glares the least. As a result, all photos are similar to each other.
          1. +3
            April 1 2023 16: 17
            Quote: sergej_84
            As a result, all photos are similar to each other.

            My hands are itching to steal it from you. But conscience, damned, does not allow!
            1. +5
              April 1 2023 16: 29
              Why steal it. You can just use it.
              1. +3
                April 1 2023 18: 26
                Quote: sergej_84
                Why steal it. You can just use it.

                The thing is, I just can't. I'm working on a book where I'm only allowed to use my personal photos. Even if you very kindly give me such an opportunity, I still won’t be able to write a “photo of the author”, because it will just be theft, and I am very scrupulous in such matters. It's one thing to skillfully rewrite someone else's text, and quite another to take and use someone else's photo under your name. So alas, but anyway... thanks for the offer. Nice.
                1. +1
                  April 1 2023 19: 42
                  Can photographs from museum catalogs dating back a hundred years be used in your book?
                  1. +1
                    April 1 2023 22: 07
                    According to the plan, only the latest author's ... Photos from museums with permission and drawings by the artist.
  9. +7
    April 1 2023 11: 56
    Tired of everything.
    Iron is also tired. Shrunk into an accordion of corrugation. beauty. Not fashion - the conditions of the war have changed. Gunshot?
    I read Snegov "People are like gods". I understand why the Strugatskys criticized him. But there are magical moments.
    "Is" or "essence"? How right? Don't care!
    How many of the worst people in history have died. Here and in the next post. Technology couldn't feed everyone.
    I shrink into a corrugation from fatigue.
    Winter has returned.
    1. +7
      April 1 2023 12: 27
      Lingonberries, celandine and other pleasant plants appeared from under the snow. April is coming into its own every day. And the drum roll of a woodpecker knows how to drive away the blues.
      1. +5
        April 1 2023 13: 50
        woodpecker drum roll

        There was once a woodpecker - all gone. There was also Nightingale, an outstanding composer. Also disappeared due to cutting, trimming. No new ones coming...
        But then, the dim, poor sun of our latitude came out, and the blues left, I'm a solarium.
        So long live the First of April, our great holiday!
        good drinks wassat )))
        Let's drink and smoke, speak Chinese!
        1. +3
          April 1 2023 14: 09
          There was also Nightingale, an outstanding composer. Also disappeared due to cutting, trimming. No new ones coming...

          At my dacha, nightingales have not been allowed to sleep since the end of April. In addition, nests are made in wild grapes, which braided the cottage.
          1. +5
            April 1 2023 14: 35
            At my dacha, nightingales have not been allowed to sleep since the end of April

            Rejoice! )))
            Civilization is such a filthy thing, climbs everywhere, destroying natural life. So far, something monotonously chirps outside my window - oh, not a nightingale! However, yes, nightingale night singers. Maybe closer to May, at least one will fly in ....
            I imagined what a bird's hubbub stood in knightly times - they lived beautifully! )))
          2. +4
            April 1 2023 17: 08
            At my dacha, nightingales have not been allowed to sleep since the end of April.
            In St. Petersburg, by the way, too. They're running, bastards, no worse than capercaillie!
    2. +3
      April 1 2023 12: 28
      Winter has returned.


      Do not believe it, the first of April and the weather is joking. smile
      But, if the enemy does not surrender, it must be destroyed! laughing soldier

      1. +4
        April 1 2023 13: 59
        if the enemy does not surrender

        Our answer to Chamberlain:
        Snow - no, Snegov - yes! wassat )))
    3. +3
      April 1 2023 13: 18
      Quote: depressant
      Italian Snegov "People are like gods".

      Do you love this book too?
      1. +4
        April 1 2023 13: 57
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I am reading for the first time and I expect to read the entire trilogy. Just imagine, never before and nowhere have I even met mention of such an author.
        Who made me think? Anton?
        I got to the thunderstorm festival - amazing!
        I always envied the authors who give the text, but you perceive it like a movie.
        There are already ideas approaching - I'll bite into it!
        1. +3
          April 1 2023 14: 30
          Quote: depressant
          I got to the thunderstorm festival - amazing!

          I read the first book in high school. It was in the sci-fi compilation "The Hellenic Secret". At that time, the book made a tremendous impression on me.
        2. +1
          April 1 2023 17: 16
          Who made me think? Anton?
          From that moment on, thoughts of suicide began to visit me more often ...)))
          1. +1
            April 1 2023 17: 37
            From that moment on, thoughts of suicide began to visit me more often ...

            "You will stop this for me!" (c)
            wassat )))
            I promise not to abuse.
            But in general, it happens, it happens ... Sometimes, as it rolls, you want someone to arrange a suicide. It is in trend now.
            1. +2
              April 1 2023 18: 02
              Yes, kill Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Awareness of "fifty kopecks" must be experienced by yourself.
              1. +3
                April 1 2023 20: 04
                I was tempted to answer. This way, that way, erased ...
                Yes, you are young!
                You have everything ahead. Life is just beginning.
                It's true, it's a bad time. It looks like a descent into a burning mine.
                1. +3
                  April 1 2023 20: 44
                  And for my generation, whatever one may say, the epoch is filthy.
                2. 0
                  April 2 2023 21: 35
                  Exactly, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Just salaga. Let's open his eyes to this. Did we succeed?
          2. +3
            April 1 2023 20: 30
            Hmmm ... bright thoughts visit you ... wassat

            And what about dreams?

            "- Esaul, do you dream?
            "That's right, Your Excellency!"
            - And what are you dreaming about?
            - Baba...
            -- Go away!."
            (I can't vouch for the accuracy of the quote))))
            1. +3
              April 1 2023 21: 00
              The only thing that inspires is that women still dream.
              1. +2
                April 1 2023 22: 49
                It’s okay for you, young man, to be shy, you might think that only in dreams. wink drinks

  10. +4
    April 1 2023 11: 57
    The shins were smooth, probably so as not to injure the horse.
    If she was controlled only by her feet, then this explanation is quite plausible.
  11. +4
    April 1 2023 14: 07
    Dmitry, writes about armor by Helmschmid:

    and here is their museum view from all sides


    The profile is especially expressive.
    What was stuffed with a protruding process? Is it by your nature? wassat )))
    1. +4
      April 1 2023 14: 31
      Quote: depressant
      Is it by your nature?

      Of course, cotton!
      1. +2
        April 1 2023 15: 34
        Ah ...
        And I, jokingly, decided that this was such a cap on the armor - unscrewed it, and do your job on a pole or on a bush. I thought the longer the lid, the easier it is to remove. And then they made short caps for soda a few years ago - inconvenient! ..
        Happy April 1st, isn't it?)))
        1. +5
          April 1 2023 16: 19
          Quote: depressant
          what is this cap on the armor -

          There were shameful capsules with a screw cap, just for this. But not on armor, but on the civilian clothes of noteworthy fashionistas. But... the music didn't play for long.
          1. +2
            April 1 2023 17: 42
            But... the music didn't play for long.

            Well, it is necessary, almost hit the mark.
            And the music, you see, ended when Japanese elastic bands for panties were brought in. A thing that is inherited. Panties in the trash, the elastic band is like new and even more evil.
            1. +2
              April 1 2023 21: 06
              Panties in the trash, the elastic band is like new and even more evil.

              "I got up in the morning, at seven o'clock,
              No panties elastic...
              .............................................."(With)

              Or is it only for women? laughing

        2. +2
          April 1 2023 22: 53
          Dad tells them: “Children,
          It was before you looked,
          Having lost these things,
          Must endure!

          I feel sorry for your loss;
          I, perhaps, in the form of a board,
          I will order from the best cotton
          Insert your patches!”

          Those to him: “What do we need wool for?
          It's good for a bathrobe!
          Not soft but hard
          Something we need!”
  12. +2
    April 1 2023 17: 51
    Here's what I found on the Internet:
    On April 1, 1957, the BBC aired a television report on the rich spaghetti harvest in Switzerland. Spectators saw peasants gathering pasta from trees. The announcer said that the Swiss breeders managed to make an agricultural breakthrough - to grow spaghetti of the same length. The most original response was the request of the Englishman to send him pasta seeds.

    And I kept wondering why pasta on the ears is a symbol of deception?
    And there it is...
  13. +2
    April 1 2023 19: 10
    Quote: Luminman
    corrugation also increased the strength of the armor itself

    It was always interesting, did the craftsmen making such armor make some kind of engineering calculation of this corrugation (stiffening ribs) or did they work on a whim, by a simple "poke method"?

    and if you imagine that they were covered by some kind of catastrophe and everything that they created with overwork burned down and collapsed? then it’s easier to imagine that they had the same industry as they do now, but what if we flew into space for a hundred years, and our great-great-great-great-grandfathers were dumber?
    The logic is that once there was no global catastrophe, then they slurped cabbage soup with bast shoes, not like us ... but what will remain of us after a nuclear war, nothing, everything will have to be done again ... and if we are the ones who everything has to be made from scratch and it’s just lucky that not everything burned down ?!
    1. 0
      April 1 2023 20: 11
      They say that most of what exists on earth now (buildings, structures, plants, factories, other industries, scientific discoveries, space exploration) was created over the past 200 years.
      How to fit it into consciousness?
      1. +1
        April 1 2023 20: 15
        but there is nothing to believe in Ivan the "fool", then the understanding will fit that the man is smarter than they try to imagine him ... and before that everything was built, but then something global collapsed, otherwise what kind of engineer would build palaces without heating in St. Petersburg. .for the kings ... with such windows ... yes, there should have been firewood and coal warehouses under the royal windows around ... the climate was summer all year round, in 1816 it was winter in the USA in summer, there was a global catastrophe, but we were able to revive civilization, otherwise, give us 1000 years of technological development, where would we be now?! they would definitely live on Mars if only 1960 years have passed since the 60s and we have already gathered on Mars ...
        1. +2
          April 1 2023 22: 03
          And when was this global catastrophe?
          1. +1
            April 1 2023 23: 52
            No, no ... Everything has been kirdyk for a long time, there is nothing, and we are not there - there is only visibility all around. wassat
  14. 0
    April 1 2023 22: 35
    Quote: kalibr
    And when was this global catastrophe?
    on YouTube they say there were a lot of world-class disasters (both man-made, and natural, and space and some other), but we are taught that everything has been quiet in the last 1000 years ... yes, go outside or look at Google maps: old buildings in which the windows are half buried in the ground, it’s just an old building, a gate, but the cart won’t drive in, and how did it happen that it went into the ground, that the windows were buried in the ground, maybe the street was raised by the highway, but why the ground level is also higher around foundation ..and off we went into the depths of history, and there it was ..covered with soil, poured from above ... and so on all over the planet .. what it was ..many the first floor leads to search
    1. +1
      April 2 2023 08: 17
      Quote: Arabfun
      old buildings in which the windows are half buried in the ground, it’s just an old building, a gate, but the cart won’t drive in, and how did it happen that it went into the ground, that the windows were buried in the ground, maybe the street was raised by the highway, but why around too the ground level is above the foundation .. and it went off into the depths of history, and there it was .. covered with soil, poured from above ... and so on all over the planet .. what it was .. many the first floor leads to search

      I had an article here about buildings gone underground. Look ... You are typing the Military Review. Shpakovsky V. "Buildings gone underground" ... And let nothing lead you anywhere. Everything is simple and natural. In my article and photo there is ...
    2. +3
      April 2 2023 09: 19
      Quote: Arabfun
      the first floor leads many to search

      It was you who brought the *front* photo. And here is a slightly different, but more impressive one.
  15. +2
    April 2 2023 15: 08
    A good Italian ristretto coffee and an interesting article to read are the perfect combination. Thanks to the author. Congratulations to all on Palm Sunday. hi hi
  16. 0
    April 2 2023 16: 15
    But still, it’s very interesting why pointy shoes were replaced by bear paws? Was there any practical sense in this or just a fashion?