Kovrovskiy 6P67: A Russian assault rifle that doesn't recoil

At first glance, an automatic machine that does not give a return at all is something from the realm of fantasy. Meanwhile, in Russia there is weapon.

Moreover, we are not talking about experimental samples, but about 6P67 (5.45 caliber) and 6P68 (7.62 caliber) assault rifles, which are produced in Kovrov and have already been put into service. True, this weapon is still recommended for use in special forces, so information about it has not been widely disseminated.

The main feature of the 6P67 and 6P68 assault rifles is the complete absence of recoil. The hosts of the Military Acceptance program, to demonstrate this advantage, put a glass of water on it. The latter did not fall even when firing bursts.

Another indisputable advantage of this weapon is its high accuracy of fire. According to the manufacturer, when firing a burst of four shots, all four bullets hit a circle with a diameter of 10 cm.

According to information from open sources, the range of aimed fire from this weapon reaches 800 meters. The weight of the unloaded 6P67 is only 3,5 kg. Magazine capacity - 30 rounds.

Among some experts, there is an opinion that for all its advantages, the aforementioned machine has a significant drawback - it is too whimsical and not suitable for use in extreme conditions.

This statement was decided to check the experts from the "Military Acceptance". During the tests, the machine will be sprinkled with dust and sand, frozen into ice, and then fired from it in different modes.

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[opposite28]

This statement was decided to check the experts from the "Military Acceptance". During the tests, the machine will be sprinkled with dust and sand, frozen into ice, and then fired from it in different modes.

Just don't fill it with concrete.

[smershxnumx]

6P68 (caliber 7.68)

What kind of game? Ochepyatka? Maybe, after all, 7.62 ???

[Zaurbek]

Maybe they did it for the Nazis .... but there is 7,92

[mat-vey]

Quote: oppozite28

This statement was decided to check the experts from the "Military Acceptance". During the tests, the machine will be sprinkled with dust and sand, frozen into ice, and then fired from it in different modes.

Just don't fill it with concrete.

Well, almost. The machine gun is rigidly fixed in the snap .. And when shooting from the hands you can see how it drives ...

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I remember there was still a machine gun with similar characteristics. These complexes are many years old, but they were hacked to death in favor of the Kalash.

[Suhoy]

Come on, they would have been hacked to death and put into the AK-107 series. So no, and the balanced Kalashnikov did not go into the series.

[nedgen]

Quote: SUhoy

Come on, they would have been hacked to death and put into the AK-107 series. So no, and the balanced Kalashnikov did not go into the series.

If I'm not mistaken, AK with balanced automation is AK-108. It was not accepted into service, but it is still produced in small batches. I caught my eye in the net, whether it was a test or a demonstration in a mattress.

[Suhoy]

There are three of them - 107 under 5,45, 108 under 5,56 and 109 under 7,62.

[nedgen]

Quote: SUhoy

There are three of them - 107 under 5,45, 108 under 5,56 and 109 under 7,62.

You're right. My mistake. I also came across an article stating that the AK-12 achieved the same accuracy as the AK-107 To be honest, I don't know if it's even possible. Especially after the demonstration, what happens after the bolt frame hits the back of the head of the machine or in front of the receiver. It seems to me that the MO simply chose a cheaper machine gun compared to the 6P67 (although much more expensive than the upgraded AK-74), i.e. AK-12. Although it seems to me that the AK-12 is still shit. What is worth one cleaning of the gas pipe through a plug that costs nothing to lose or boil after a long shooting. And also poked where necessary and do not need picatinny rails !!!

[Suhoy]

Quote: nedgen

And also poked where necessary and do not need picatinny slats !!!

Well, here it’s rather a plus - you can use trophy sights.

[Buyan]

An interesting article, thanks to the author, a curious product

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Small arms weapons have a lot of indicators and recoil is not the main thing. I'm interested in other indicators.

[lubesky]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I'm interested in others

Have the CIPS officers left the room yet? Or are you still there with them?

[cpls22]

In the video with the casing removed, you can see that its counterweight at the end of the cycle hits the damper near the base of the front sight.
How durable is this unit? How often should it be changed? M.b. so they left him only for special forces?
Or is this blow possible only in the absence of a casing, and in the dressed state it is pneumatically braked?
Some questions.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Abakan?
An epic thing, and what is characteristic, as it were, was not done before the 90s.
Too bad they didn't buy it.

[vvnab]

The name Abakan bore the competition, in which the AN-94 won. The prototype of this machine was later called AEK-971.

[Khibiny Plastun]

AN-94 Nikonov assault rifle, it has nothing to do with AEK.

[vvnab]

Both participated in the Abakan competition.
The AN-94 won, for which he later received this name.

[vvnab]

Small arms without recoil do not exist and cannot exist. We return to school and learn Newton's laws. )
On the Kalashnikov channel, the media somehow clearly demonstrated how the AK fundamentally differs from other systems. Several shots were fired from the weapon, then thrown into the snow, the resulting water was allowed to freeze again and they tried to reload and fire again. Kalash could. Neither the AR-15, nor the HK-416, nor anything else, were able to repeat this trick.
I wonder how this is with AEK-971 / 6P67?

[Arisaka]

And is it really necessary? Exactly what the focus is, but not the performance characteristics.
They showed tricks out on biathlon, on tank.
the Kalashnikov concern is famous for its protectionism, like the Mil design bureau in its time.

[vvnab]

And is it really necessary?

Well xs, of course. But the situation is quite possible in real life, isn't it? This, perhaps, explains the choice of the AK scheme by the Finnish army. I'm not an expert though, just a guess.

[Bad_gr]

Quote from vvnab

Several shots were fired from the weapon, then thrown into the snow, the resulting water was allowed to freeze again and they tried to reload and fire again. Kalash could. Neither the AR-15, nor the HK-416, nor anything else, were able to repeat this trick.
I wonder how this is with AEK-971 / 6P67?

Watch the video in the article (Military acceptance "Balanced machine gun").

[vvnab]

Watch the video in the article (Military acceptance "Balanced machine gun").

I won't! )
I can't stand the manner of the leader. Directly writhing from his howls!
And what is there and such a test? Well, fine if so.

[Bad_gr]

Quote from vvnab

I can't stand the manner of the leader.

I agree with this, but whenever possible, I watch all his films: when watching, I pay all attention to the technique and the statements of specialists, and sloppy statements from the presenters, unfortunately, are a frequent occurrence.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Bad_gr

and kosyachnye statements from the leading, unfortunately, a frequent phenomenon.

As in this video. From the very first frames (when shooting from the hands, and not on the machine) it is clear that the recoil hasn’t gone anywhere. Let’s just say it’s less “burped out”, but it doesn’t violate the laws of nature and mechanics and is present.

[would]

I wonder how this is with AEK-971 / 6P67?

A-545 (6P67) successfully passed the same tests as the AK-12. That says it all.

[JD1979]

For Kalashnikov, balanced automation somehow works differently, there is no such strange thing as hitting the balancer on the front sight. A strange decision and it seems to me unviable. It would be interesting to compare both solutions.

[nedgen]

Quote: JD1979

For Kalashnikov, balanced automation somehow works differently, there is no such strange thing as hitting the balancer on the front sight. A strange decision and it seems to me unviable. It would be interesting to compare both solutions.

The fact of the matter is that the AK-108 has the same front sight as the 6P67. It seems to me that the AK-108 was not accepted into service due to copyright disputes on balanced automation (although I’m not sure about this. The reason may be different.) But you can be sure that the AK-108 is much more accurate than the Ak-12 for all 100. BUT the AK-108 looks much less fancy than the 12th model and it does not have picatinny rails. And when I saw from WHAT piece of iron the barrel for 6P67 is made or from which piece the shutter is machined, my jaw fell on the table right away. Wow transfer of metal to shavings. And then they will be surprised that the 6P67 was not accepted as a mass machine, in my opinion there is nothing to be surprised at all. In real combat, it does not matter to shoot from AK-74 from AK-12 from 6P67 or M-16 or NK. The average for the preparation of shooters in general from all machines due to stress will show almost the same results. Those. Mazat will be great for living. If you trust the pictures from the copters on the ruin, they are massively beating in Somali in close combat . I don't even know where to shoot.

[Fangaro]

In April 2023, both the 67th and 68th will become available. The quantity ready for use in the RF Armed Forces depends on the order of the Ministry of Defense and can reach 470 thousand units per month.

[vvnab]

can reach 470 thousand units per month

ZID does not have such capacities. I don't think anyone has! Where are the "wood chips" from? )

[Peaceful SEO]

And what for this article was necessary if there is no article, but there is only an announcement of the video?

[AlexSam]

Quote from Fangaro

The number ready for use in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation depends on the order of the Ministry of Defense and can reach 470 thousand units per month.

not with this boss

[Bayun]

For "cleanliness" - a great machine. In the mud - I strongly "doubt" what will "sew".

[DO]

Hug "will".
And what, the Kovrov automatic machine, which was put into service, was never tested?
Why not publish the results of these tests, not give the opinions of the fighters and specialists who dealt with him?

[IVZ]

Quote: DO

Why not publish the results of these tests, not give the opinions of the fighters and specialists who dealt with him?

The machine passed all the required tests, otherwise it would not have been accepted into service. As for the opinions of users... At the beginning of the SVO, he often flashed in the frames of TV reports from Kadyrov's people. Disappeared very quickly. At all.
https://topwar.ru/195340-ak-12-kak-zerkalo-status-quo-chast-3analiz-situacii.html

[Bad_gr]

Quote: IVZ

https://topwar.ru/195340-ak-12-kak-zerkalo-status-quo-chast-3analiz-situacii.html

Link to AK-12, and the topic of the article is Kovrovsky 6P67 and 6P68.

Quote: IVZ

The machine passed all the required tests, otherwise it would not have been accepted into service.

And he even won the competition for the equipment "Warrior" from Kalashnikov. Although, later, they said that AK also won it.

[Wolf]

These machine guns themselves are the top small arms in the world, if they were in 6,5 or 6,8 caliber, they would be the God of small arms

[Wolf]

No, I vote for the 6,5x39 Grendel, more precisely, for its Russian military version, and even if it is inferior to imported counterparts (technology, what to do), it will most likely meet the requirements for a promising ammunition for an army machine gun.

[Wolf]

No need to make a mistake, as with the AK12, the caliber 5,45 mm and the cartridge are morally and technically obsolete.

[Eug]

As for me, the "problem" of the AK is that they are trying to adapt it to solving problems for which it was not intended at all (special ones, hence all sorts of body kits, Picatinny, collimators, etc.). And then, when expectations are not met, mainly due to inflated Wishlist, they begin to find fault with AK. The Kovrovtsy acted honestly - they didn’t create a “Kalashoid”, now it’s time to give it to specialists (serious, as I understand it, have the right to choose a rifleman) for a “run-in” - if, of course, there are willing specialists, of course, under the close attention of factory workers. And it would be very interesting to compare the price of Kovrovtsev with AK-12 (15) ...

[Vadim S]

About 15 years ago I tried this AEK971 at the training ground, it's something! Now it seems to be finalized and become more ergonomic, but! The Kalashnikov concern is moving its junk in a body kit and does not allow a really excellent model to break through, head and shoulders above the Kalash! Rassey, what can I say.

[Fluk54]

And this applies not only to Kalash .. At one time I read the story of the adoption of the K-50 (52) and Mi-28 (?) helicopters. The competition was then won by K-50, because. Mi showed problems with the gearboxes. As I understand it, they were eliminated much later. But, nevertheless, the creators of the K-50 and the creators of the Mi-28 received a grant. With this money, the creators of the K-50 shot a good promotional semi-feature film, it was also on TV. And where did the money go, the allocation for the Mi-28, this is a great secret. But, as a result, the Mi-28 was put into service even with the existing shortcomings.

[nedgen]

Quote: Vadim S

About 15 years ago I tried this AEK971 at the training ground, it's something! Now it seems to be finalized and become more ergonomic, but! The Kalashnikov concern is moving its junk in a body kit and does not allow a really excellent model to break through, head and shoulders above the Kalash! Rassey, what can I say.

Well, to be honest, I agree with you that the accuracy of 6P67 is more accurate than the Ak-12, but I don’t really believe that it has any special advantages over the AK-108, which has the same balanced automation, but it’s internal from the well-known AK-74. Of course, excluding the absence of the 108th picatinny rails, BUT to be honest, they are not really needed for a drill machine. Enough quite and dovetail. After all, a machine gun is not a sniper rifle for which microns in the sight settings are so important. And the AK-108 is definitely cheaper than both the AK-12 and 6P67. However, if you watched the movie, you would be horrified by HOW MUCH high-quality steel is translated into shavings. And as I wrote above, the AK-108 was not accepted into service, probably due to the patent of balanced automation owned by the Kovrov plant (although I’m not sure of the reasons). (From my point of view, in the defense industry, patent law SHOULD NOT EXIST AT ALL, but what can you do about CAPITALISM. Money is more important than the interests of the state. If this idiotic situation existed in the USSR, then a lot of things would not have appeared at all, and the AK itself too. After all, in fact Kalashnikov and his colleagues completely redesigned their machine gun, taking the best of the competitors' machines and getting the AK-47 at the end.)

[Illanatol]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Small arms weapons have a lot of indicators and recoil is not the main thing. I'm interested in other indicators.

For example, accuracy and accuracy of fire. Which, by the way, depends on the return

[nedgen]

Quote: Illanatol

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Small arms weapons have a lot of indicators and recoil is not the main thing. I'm interested in other indicators.

For example, accuracy and accuracy of fire. Which, by the way, depends on the return

Let's clarify the recoil from a shot at 6P67 and it has not gone away. You can’t deceive physics, BUT, due to the balancer, the Kovrovites reduced to a minimum the impulse from hitting the massive bolt frame in the back of the machine’s head, which greatly reduced the barrel toss, although it did not completely exclude it. Why do you think 6P67 has DTK? To look better? Hell yes. TO DECREASE THE RECOIL FROM THE SHOT ITSELF!!! and additionally reduced the barrel toss BUT, on the other hand, the design of the machine and its technology have become VERY complicated, which led to a very high price of the machine. If you watched the movie, you would see how much high-quality steel is converted into shavings, and chrome plating is also very annoying. Otherwise, I agree that the machine is excellent in terms of performance characteristics, but the PRICE due to the complexity of production and the design of the machine itself fully explains FOR ME why it was accepted only for specialists. They are supplied with weapons one way or another regardless of the price, but for an infantry Vanka, this machine gun is too expensive to come out. In my opinion, the best assault rifle for infantry would be the AK-108 (this is essentially the AK-74 with balanced automation). Of course, if collimators and night sights and an adjustable butt come with it as a standard kit. In general, cheap and angry. AK-108 could even be made as a conversion from warehouse AK-74s, but the Kalashnikov concern will never do this because their profit will drop sharply) And the AK-12, in my opinion, is not particularly superior to the AK-74 in any way (the picatinny rails stuck on it everywhere where necessary and not necessary for me DO NOT GIVE any advantage to the Ak-12. Only making shooting from the AK-12 without gloves is very difficult.)

[Illanatol]

Quote from Arisaka

And is it really necessary? Exactly what the focus is, but not the performance characteristics.

Exactly what TTX. Databases are not always kept in polygon conditions. Dirt, dust, temperature changes, humidity - a common thing.
Although in computer games it does not matter ...

[wladimirjankov]

At one time, the Ministry of Defense held a competition and tests of automata developed in our country. The main competitors in it were AK-12 and AN-94. The last one was the winner. But for some reason, the losing AK-12 began to be purchased for the army. As long as such strange stories continue, there will be no development of anything. Developers will be beaten off any motivation to do something new. In the end, the AN-94 and 6P67 and 6P68 will still make their way, but time will be lost.

[SSA]

Abakan could not win the contest in any way. This is a very finicky and difficult to disassemble - maintain, automatic machine, the only advantage in accuracy of which is the fire monitor system.

[Alex777]

You messed up something.
AEK-971 was designed to participate in the 1978 Abakan competition announced by the USSR Ministry of Defense, during which preference was given to the Nikonov assault rifle (AN-94, which later received its second name - Abakan).
In 2013-2015, a modification of the AEK-971 called "A-545" took part in the competition for a new combined-arms machine gun for the Ratnik equipment. In 2015, it was decided that the machine gun (GRAU index - 6P67) would be put into service along with the AK-12.

[Zaurbek]

It would be interesting to test with optics. And a version with a heavy barrel

[1 z1]

Kalashnikov almost finished off the Kovrovites with his purchased monopoly. At the same time, he himself is mostly parasitizing on legendary brands from the past. Boblo is done by shifting one part of the body from the left hand to the right. Having somehow pushed the AK-12 into the "warrior" and most likely mastered the contract (well, those same 1 million sets), according to the results of the SVO, they decided to make changes to their unparalleled product. And it turned out .. AK hundredth series.

[km-21]

The "no recoil" machine does not comply with Newton's 3rd law.
This cannot be in nature.

In this case, we are not talking about the absence of recoil, but about balancing all acting forces in such a way that they, with opposite signs, are located only along the line of the axis of the barrel and do not form resultants that deviate this line from a given position. In this case, the recoil will occur with the usual momentum for a particular shot, but its vector will be directed exclusively in the opposite direction from the shot, and will not lead to a barrel toss.

[mildsar]

Damn, why can't you make a long handguard with M-Lock like SAG MK3 for AK? It would also be an almost ideal machine for specialists, with a rigid long top cap with a Picatinny rail and M-Lock on the forearm.

[Zaurbek]

I’ll tell you a secret, this is not the Russian Federation of automatic transactions, but the past, more developed civilization of the USSR .... like Abakan, these are masterpieces of automation and weapons

[AC130 Gunship]

The SKS has almost no recoil with the 7.62×39 cartridge. But he does not shoot bursts.

[FPEDDI_KPYGEP]

I wonder how many hundreds of billions of rubles the development of an automatic machine sucked into itself?