In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

A photo of an MT-LB with a 2M-3M shipborne anti-aircraft gun installed a few days ago has already been widely circulated on the Web. As it turned out, this is not a single craft of army craftsmen who decided to invent a new anti-aircraft gun, but quite a serial version. At least, the echelon with similar installations, moving towards the front, has already been filmed.

A couple of days ago, a photo of a "motorcycle league" with a 2M-3M ship mounted memory appeared on the Web. In the basic configuration, such towers are armed with two M-110 automatic guns of 25 mm caliber. But in this case, when installed on the MT-LB, the guns were replaced with two 14,5 mm KPVT machine guns, several sources report this, although it is possible that some of the installations come with "native" barrels. The tower is inhabited, the calculation is 2 people, but what is inside is unknown, there are no pictures.

As it turned out, this is not a single handicraft, but rather mass-produced vehicles, the supply of which to the NWO zone is quite active. On Russian Internet resources, footage of an echelon with similar installations appeared, as well as MT-LB with the same towers in a parking lot somewhere in the area of ​​​​the NVO zone.

The choice of "motorbike" as the base machine is the most acceptable option because of its cross-country ability. In general, this is not the first time that MT-LB has been used as a base chassis for various installations, both artillery and other purposes. The choice of a naval gun mount as a turret is ambiguous. However, the military in the NVO zone say that the car is suitable, but the idea is sound.

The 2M-3M artillery mount was developed in the early 1950s as a means of self-defense for small ships. The rate of fire of two 25-mm M-110 assault rifles is 270-300 rounds per minute per barrel. The range of destruction of ground targets is up to 3 km, in height - 2,8 km.

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[Aerodrome]

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

[Orange Bigg]

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

As for me, it's not cool.

CNN data on UAF casualties. CNN: Ukraine's losses in the conflict with Russia amounted to more than 500 troops. CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that as of February 000, 28, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than half a million people.

CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that on February 28, 2023, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to:

killed, who died from wounds, diseases 259 people;

wounded, crippled 246;

deserted, as well as missing - 83;

captured - 28 393.

https://newsland.com/post/7654872-cnn-poteri-ukrainy-v-konflikte-s-rossiey-sostavili-bolee-500-0

APU lost more than half a million people - СNN

CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that on February 28, 2023, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to:

killed, who died from wounds, diseases - 259 people;

wounded, crippled - 246;

deserted, as well as missing - 83;

captured - 28 393.

According to the Associated Press, Ukrainian losses are four times greater.

https://podolyaka-yurij.ru/05-03-2023-srochnye-novosti-s-ukrainy-vsu-kontratakuyut-v-popytke-prorvat-okruzhenie-artemovska-bahmut-vojna-na-ukraine-segodnya-21-video/

[cold wind]

Spreading outright fake news. CNN never wrote such nonsense anywhere.

[Orange Bigg]

Smoke without fire does not happen.

The American TV channel published data on losses in the power structures of Ukraine since the beginning of the Russian special military operation. We are talking about the material of TK CNN, which says that the data is presented with reference to informed sources.

Thus, the irretrievable losses of enemy forces since February 24, 2022 (killed and died from wounds and diseases) amounted to almost 260 thousand people (more precisely, 259). The number of wounded is about 085 thousand.
The number of deserters who went missing and were captured by Russian troops was named. Almost 84 people were classified as missing and deserted Ukrainian servicemen, and 28 were classified as prisoners.

https://topwar.ru/212194-na-amerikanskom-kanale-nazvali-cifry-poter-sredi-ukrainskih-voennyh.html

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Smoke without fire does not happen.

The American TV channel published data on losses in the power structures of Ukraine since the beginning of the Russian special military operation. We are talking about the material of TK CNN, which says that the data is presented with reference to informed sources.

Thus, the irretrievable losses of enemy forces since February 24, 2022 (killed and died from wounds and diseases) amounted to almost 260 thousand people (more precisely, 259). The number of wounded is about 085 thousand.
The number of deserters who went missing and were captured by Russian troops was named. Almost 84 people were classified as missing and deserted Ukrainian servicemen, and 28 were classified as prisoners.

https://topwar.ru/212194-na-amerikanskom-kanale-nazvali-cifry-poter-sredi-ukrainskih-voennyh.html

They wrote absolute heresy that the commentator above is not a very good person, but there is no smoke without fire.

[Shurik70]

Quote from cold wind

Spreading outright fake news. CNN never wrote such nonsense anywhere.

There are a lot of "according to CNN" on the Internet
But I didn’t find this article on CNN itself

[SerAp]

Yes, because it doesn't exist. And never was. Someone first composed it, and then everyone, not understanding for joy, began to repost.

[Aviator_]

There are a lot of "according to CNN" on the Internet
But I didn’t find this article on CNN itself

Hasn't CNN written about the towers from the 68 cruisers of the motorcycle league project yet? So he will write soon.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I thought it was a new model of "Terminator", let's call it "Delirium" or "Anti-Bradley". One view terrifies the enemy. If you install two back to back, then there will be "Pull-Push"

[skeptic]

WITHOUT DATA ON OUR LOSSES, THESE FIGURES ABOUT ANYTHING

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Arsen1

these are all examples of encircled battles, naturally, when attacking a surrounded enemy, there are less losses. We now have a frontal swotting of fortifications for a long time.

Among the fresh statistics came across the following: 8 out of 10 dead were killed by artillery fire. And if you consider that ours in this matter are superior by an order of magnitude?

[Havoc]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Arsen1

these are all examples of encircled battles, naturally, when attacking a surrounded enemy, there are less losses. We now have a frontal swotting of fortifications for a long time.

Among the fresh statistics came across the following: 8 out of 10 dead were killed by artillery fire. And if you consider that ours in this matter are superior by an order of magnitude?

This comrade does not understand how the fighting is going on now, he probably still thinks that they are advancing at full height with an unfurled banner.

[VSO-396]

Quote: Arsen1

1:3 is the average loss of the advancing army.

Kiev operation 1941, USSR Berlin operation 1945, USSR defeat of the Kwantung Army 1945,,

these are all examples of battles in the environment, naturally, when attacking a surrounded enemy, there are less losses. We now have a frontal swotting of fortifications for a long time. Bakhmut won for 10 months. A bunch of videos where Ukrainians look at the attacks of the Wagner Kashniks through a thermal imager. So if by the beginning of the war I think it was 1k1, now we are losing more

They downvoted Arsene... It is interesting that the data on losses from Mr. Konashenkov and the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are approximately the same. It is clear that everyone is lying, but I think that the losses are equivalent.

[ecolog]

if the losses were equivalent, then we would have already passed the 3-4 wave of partial mobilization.

[Shefango]

Why do you (mat) give such incorrect examples? The operations you describe are the height of military art, using tactics of deep coverage, encirclement and subsequent destruction of the enemy. Now - frontal attacks, on fortified areas, in the spirit of WWI and the beginning of the Second World War. What are you talking about? And art here is far from everything can compensate. Apparently again they decided that the women give birth to new ones. And they, women, such reptiles, DO NOT WANT! Well, they don't want to, and that's it! How to fight here? That's terrible...

[Sergey Zhikharev]

In the original, "to break through the defense you need to have an advantage of three to one."
But for some reason this expression began to be interpreted as triple losses.

[Egeny]

sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

... and what's wrong, if this "work" is fully completed, then why not?
There are platforms, the guns were removed from old vessels, the hands are also not made of zh..py grow. Well done kulibins.

[seregatara1969]

a viable option. you don’t even need to leave the caponier, the tower will stick out and okay. tried and tested tool

[Leonidych]

The most important thing is that this mower effectively mows dill. Nothing more is required of it, and it does not matter that these are outdated systems.

[order64]

I agree, provided that the tower is uninhabited. Too noticeable target and weak armor resistance. The lives of soldiers are important (and BLM has nothing to do with it).

[Johnson Smithson]

it’s most likely for the rear, to fight drones
You can't stock up on Thors for every drone

[Arsen1]

kpvt 14,5 with a rate of fire of 300 - a smart weapon against drones (none)

[Arsen1]

The tower is inhabited, the calculation is 2 people, but what is inside is unknown, there are no pictures.

well, they write to you in Russian) those 2 people with such a thickness of armor are suicide bombers. It is not for nothing that armored personnel carriers and transporters are not armed normally anywhere: so that the commanders would not be tempted to drive them to the front line. No, we put a cannon on an armored personnel carrier, did not armor it, and now it is actively used in battles, although it should serve to transport drugs in the rear. I'm talking about armored personnel carrier 82a, if anyone does not understand. So here, on the art tractor ktrp should not participate in battles at all, they put a large caliber. Now this squalor will be on the front. So you shouldn’t rejoice, the shushpanzers do not make from a good life

[Timur_kz]

Well, I hope not on the front end, like the T62, somewhere in the rear.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Arsen1

those 2 people with such a thickness of armor are suicide bombers.

Are these options better?

[certero]

Quote: Bad_gr

Are these options better?

A better point because they fought against an enemy who did not have heavy artillery, aviation and radar reconnaissance Drones and other things

[Rome]

If they begin to saturate the army with non-standard equipment, the question arises: where is the actual standard equipment? We have only 500K army participating in ours! And we do not have enough modern technology?! Bradley and Marder arrive at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and we have "the main thing that would shoot"!?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Standard equipment for another war was being prepared, for the past one. Who could have imagined that the front line would become so depleted and enemy DRGs could easily penetrate through it. Or that the main threat will be FPV drones and agricultural drones with mines suspended on them. And the developed DBMS with machine guns and cannons are poorly adapted for firing at drones and do not have the appropriate ammunition and sights.

[Egeny]

Regular equipment for another war was preparing

Sergei Sanych, what are you talking about ... for the "other" we have "Sarmatians" and "tiers". But after another, we will have a "different life": someone in "paradise", sorry, in a bunker under the Kremlin wall, but who will simply die.)
It seems to me that the GDP in vain so "joked".

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Eroma

But where is the actual equipment?

The manufacturers offer a bunch of weapon options, but for what reasons the MO buys is a question. If the main topic during purchases is not the best characteristics of the vehicle, but what would be cheaper .... After all, all Tigers can be purchased with combat modules, but mostly we see them with a turret in the hatch.

And if necessary, you can put a gun


Here is an interesting BM for armored personnel carriers offer

[Pankrat25]

For a modern gun, there are other ammunition that needs to be produced right now in huge quantities, and for an old one, ammunition is rotting in warehouses in huge quantities. This is the disposal of old ammunition and the unloading of industry.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Pankrat25

For a modern gun, there are other ammunition that needs to be produced right now

That is, well-established production, additional investments are not required.

Quote: Pankrat25

for the old ammunition rots in warehouses in huge quantities.

In other words, it is not a fact that they are all working and will not let you down during the battle (and this is at best, at worst - an explosion of a projectile inside the barrel)

[Shefango]

This is called recycling l / s. How many shots will the crew have time to fire before they make a colander out of it?

[topol717]

Depending on where and where to shoot from. if in the rear 2-3 KM from the LBS and by drones over the LBS, then it will live for a long time, and it will destroy a lot of drones.
If you read carefully, it is clearly written that KPVT was installed.
In Google you will find what kind of machine gun it is and what it is for.
And then how to laugh at the Armed Forces of Ukraine with 4 maxims so everyone is much, but how is it 2x KPVT so immediately for some reason questions

[Timur_kz]

And this fool will succeed, right? You can't even see the optics there. One FPV drone and that's it.

[Pankrat25]

And this fool will succeed, right? You can't even see the optics there. One FPV drone and that's it.

It's even worse on foot, one drone at night with a thermal imager and that's it ...
And here you can create a good density of fire to sweep away everything superfluous...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

poorly adapted for shooting at drones
Switch to shot instead of bullets. Bench shooters and duck hunters get ready, you are the first for another call.

[Johnson Smithson]

no one has regular anti-drone systems,
drones throwing grenades into the trenches is a new concept of war, now a lot is being worked out that has never been used

[Negro]

Quote from Johnson Smithson

no one has regular anti-drone systems

You will not believe
https://www.kalashnikov.ru/dronam-konets-distantsionnyj-boevoj-modul-rws/

[Anna E]

Bradley and Marder are also far from nanotechnology. A spark of 25mm will cut them in two in any projection. Actually, this is the point. By the way, about the newest superweapon. Estonia recently supplied Swedish anti-aircraft guns of the 50s and it’s normal, no one tore their hair out of f##s and sadly sprinkled ashes on their heads. That's it against lightly armored vehicles. Drones are also possible, with some luck.

[Storog dvornik]

In Omsk, DOSAAF studied on a similar device in 1985 ... Right in the classroom on the second floor, a cannon melted, in the next room there was a "horizontal" 30mm. I don’t remember by the name of the model, I didn’t have a chance to serve on them ...

[Arsen1]

Excuse me, where did you see 25mm?) 14,5 there. Bredl 14,5 in a circle holds

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Arsen1

Excuse me, where did you see 25mm?) 14,5 there.

Well, whose trunk is there? native or KPVT?

PS
BM, which is on the ship, is mirrored (for a more convenient comparison)

[SergioCDS]

... Well, don't be so angry!
... - here the vast majority of the SHIELD from "AK-47", "PKT", "DShK", "Cliff" "in the pictures" was seen and "know everything."

[Windsurfer]

Quote from Anna E.

Bradley and Marder are also far from nanotechnology. A spark of 25mm will cut them in two in any projection. Actually, this is the point. By the way, about the newest superweapon. Estonia recently supplied Swedish anti-aircraft guns of the 50s and it’s normal, no one tore their hair out of f##s and sadly sprinkled ashes on their heads. That's it against lightly armored vehicles. Drones are also possible, with some luck.

It can and will cut it, but it's just troublesome! At point-blank range, you will have to get close to Bradley, and then it’s questionable because Bradley holds 30 mm from 2a42 in the forehead, which has both a higher initial speed and a larger projectile mass, and besides, the shooter in this shawl panzer will look for Bradley through a conventional collimator sight with a magnification of 0 while sitting in half-open wheelhouse 2m-3, and shooter Bradley through optics with 12x magnification and from two kilometers can cut a motorcycle league without taking his hands out of his pockets and smoking a cigarette.

[Chief Officer Lom]

The fact that they made them from what was, and some kind of series - well done. It is sad that such a "collective farm" was needed.

[poquello]

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

The fact that they made them from what was, and some kind of series - well done. It is sad that such a "collective farm" was needed.

so bradley to make holes will fit, but according to your favorite in NATO mobile tactics, humvee, etc. is generally good

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

They won't fit. You can’t take a Bradley 14,5 with a machine gun, and there are big doubts about the 25-mm anti-aircraft guns. And most importantly, Bradley, with his FCS and detection tools, will be the first to dismantle this barn.

[poquello]

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

They won't fit. You can’t take a Bradley 14,5 with a machine gun, and there are big doubts about the 25-mm anti-aircraft guns. And most importantly, Bradley, with his FCS and detection tools, will be the first to dismantle this barn.

well, firstly, as always, out of nowhere, a replacement for a machine gun appeared on the VO, secondly, the side of the bradley from this gun is easily stitched, and thirdly, look at the range of the gun and then talk about the magical suo bradley)

[Arsen1]

Bradley holds 14,5 in a circle.

Well, firstly, as always, out of nowhere, a replacement for a machine gun appeared on VO

the article clearly states this and the photo shows that there is a KPVT. how do you imagine a 25mm twin and 2 crew members in this tower?

[poquello]

Quote: Arsen1

Bradley holds 14,5 in a circle.

Well, firstly, as always, out of nowhere, a replacement for a machine gun appeared on VO

the article clearly states this and the photo shows that there is a KPVT. how do you imagine a 25mm twin and 2 crew members in this tower?

for the gifted

Quote: poquello

on VO, as always, out of nowhere, a replacement for a machine gun appeared

articles here sometimes shine with incredible details, such as "The range of destruction of ground targets is up to 3 km", this is like on a flat 200 meters further than when shooting up)))))))))))))))))))) ), well, look at the pictures more carefully, I’ve given a photo of this anti-aircraft gun below, exactly the same at the motorcycle league

[SergioCDS]

... - and you would "boldly go" with an Excellent HUNTING KNIFE against a small "bolt" of a fast-loading modern crossbow with OPTICS. I can see it right - "in the advancing orders with a banner."

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from Egeni

sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

... and what's wrong, if this "work" is fully completed, then why not?
There are platforms, the guns were removed from old vessels, the hands are also not made of zh..py grow. Well done kulibins.

Well done woman!
A balanced and very correct comment, unlike some "male" ones, in which a departure from the "letter" destroys the whole plot and script., Like - "Well, how can you chop the enemy with a sapper shovel if an automatic machine is invented for this?"
If this device allows you to ruin Banderlogs, then it’s a good thing.

[solar]

CNN data on APU losses.

If you are linking to a CNN, then you need to link to the CNN.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from solar

If you are linking to a CNN, then you need to link to the CNN.

This is not always possible. The bourgeois media sometimes so quickly wipe out all the information that did not suit the political or military authorities - that sometimes it is simply impossible to link to the material at the original address, it disappears so quickly after publication.

[Negro]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

The bourgeois media sometimes so quickly wipe out all the information that did not suit the political or military authorities - that sometimes it is simply impossible to link to the material at the original address, it disappears so quickly after publication.

You have to, how convenient.

[runway-1]

Quote: Negro

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

The bourgeois media sometimes so quickly wipe out all the information that did not suit the political or military authorities - that sometimes it is simply impossible to link to the material at the original address, it disappears so quickly after publication.

You have to, how convenient.

Still not convenient!

[Nikanor1993]

The Internet remembers everything, in such cases there is at least a screen of the page, and almost always its copied version.

[Anna E]

Yes, in theory it is. There is always a red-eyed archivist who copies everything he can get his hands on. The question is how to find him, if he uploads his archive at all.

[Nikanor1993]

Yes, in theory, each of us, every single day, climbs into the browser settings and clears both the cache and the history.)
PS And those who publish such news do not expect to have to confirm them with something other than their bare words.

[solar]

it is impossible to link to the material at the original address

And what's the problem to give a link, even if the information has already been erased there?
Only there are no links.
In addition, there is caching in search engines and archival services.

[Anna E]

How long does the cache of search engines live? Archiving services do not archive by themselves. Someone has to archive. "Was there a boy?"

[Black_Messiah]

The Overton window has not been canceled
In our reality, this is very clear ...

[SergioCDS]

... - The "history" of SEARCH ENGINES is not enough for you?
You not only in "Google"? also on "Yandex", "CC Search", "StartPage", "SearchEncrypt" "banned"???!! :-]
or you have a computer "BK-0010" and on the "network" you, like a "knight in armor" on the good old "Arachne", "surf" with disabled "pictures" on the "dial-up", so to speak - "walk on the FSE 56 Kb "ZUHEL" "... - not even funny.

[d.zacharith]

Write more! What are they, adversaries, to feel sorry for

[Alien From]

Nobody wants the truth. If it weren’t for SVO, they would have rubbed the ointment from hemorrhoids through our ears further. But now we are seeing such wunderwaffles that have no analogues in the world.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Alien From

Nobody wants the truth. If it weren’t for SVO, they would have rubbed the ointment from hemorrhoids through our ears further. But now these we observe wunderwaffles that have no analogues in the world.

You did not understand this disguised Peresvet ....... who did not understand this bitter sarcasm .... Who will sit in this tower? What can he see? Or is there some kind of observation and targeting equipment ..? So the anti-aircraft gun is normal ... it was on torpedo boats and ESKAers ... (patrol) ships of that time ..

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Orange Bigg

killed, who died from wounds, diseases - 259 people;

wounded, crippled - 246;

Usually, there are 2-3 times more wounded than killed.
It is not clear why in this conflict the numbers are almost equal ...

[Mikhail Ya2]

Also, the practice of positional wars shows; that attackers lose 3 times more than defenders. And under Bakhmut they say the loss of ukrov 1: 8-10.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Mikhail Ya2

Also, the practice of positional wars shows; that attackers lose 3 times more than defenders. And under Bakhmut they say the loss of ukrov 1: 8-10.

Let's clarify, the losses of the defending ukrov are 8-10 times higher than the losses of the troops attacking them. Not vice versa, as you wrote. Which corresponds to a significant superiority in the density of Wagner's artillery fire from our side, exactly 8-10 times.

[mmaxx]

This is the practice of the first world. And then the Germans with their assault groups showed that this was not so. In the Patriotic War, this was a universal excuse for weak commanders. The losses of the attackers only at some stage are greater. And if the attack is successful, then the defender simply dies or runs and dies. This was repeatedly proved by the Germans in WWII, ours too. And our troops now. The defender must be strong everywhere. It is enough for the attacker to be strong only in the attack area.
And the repetition of spells only distorts the picture.

[Aken]

There shouldn't be many wounded after the sun.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Usually, there are 2-3 times more wounded than killed.
It is not clear why in this conflict the numbers are almost equal ...

In fact, everything is clear.

Quote: Captain Pushkin

wounded, crippled - 246

This refers to the number of permanently retired disabled people, plus those currently being treated in hospitals. Simple practice. And the number of the wounded, if we add those who were returned to service after being cured, will be exactly three times the number of the dead.

[Aviator_]

Usually, there are 2-3 times more wounded than killed.
It is not clear why in this conflict the numbers are almost equal ...

Because it's an artillery war. The ratio of killed and wounded is 1:3 in small arms combat.

[mmaxx]

This is one. And another thing that the people do not want to take into account: everyone is in armor, and they save both their small fragments and from bullets in the body. Those who could hurt or kill. Remain contusions and limbs. So in this war, the statistics should be different. You can't blindly endure everything. Times are not the same.

[Nikanor1993]

The CNN site works great in our country without any vpnov, why not link directly to it? Although I know there is simply no such news, well, they apparently deleted it.
But there is this one:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/03/03/sergey-lavrov-russia-ukraine-war-laughter-video-vpx.cnn

Well, at least there is something to laugh at.)

[Sarboz]

Quote from Orange Bigg

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M


As for me, it's not cool.

And in my opinion, this is not very cool:

On Russian Internet resources, footage of an echelon with similar installations appeared, as well as MT-LB with the same towers in a parking lot somewhere in the area of ​​​​the NVO zone.

When will this blogger bacchanalia end. They film military echelons, columns, locations of units and upload it to the network in real time with geolocation and their own comments. In 1941, for this, to the wall without trial or investigation. And back in 2014, a stupid wench was detained for this, had an explanatory conversation and was released. And it was necessary to bring the case to court, give a real time and widely cover it in the media, making it clear that this would be the case with every accomplice of the enemy.

[NickShel]

Only CNN did not write this. They don't have it on their website. Moreover, this news appeared on the evening of March 5 almost simultaneously on all top patriotic Telegram channels, with the text unchanged. Watch what you read.

[Anna E]

And what are you supposed to do? Bring flowers to their graves? "Do not feel sorry for the enemy, he is not your own, just chop and then a hero." If, as they write in all textbooks of tactics, the advancing army loses three times more than the defending one, then our losses are in the region of one and a half million people. So one and a half pre-war armies is already everything? Something doesn't add up. Who then is fighting now, who is in places of permanent deployment? What sienen pi##it like Trotsky.

[culinary]

Quote: Aerodrome

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

And all over Svidomo homemade make fun of.
Well, yes, they have a quadruple "Maxim", but we made something !!
Maybe just "shilki" put? Probably in storage. Without a radar, with increased BC on the ground, with a radar for large drones.

[spectr]

Apparently, equipment is needed to deal with mobile, weakly armored enemy weapons. What is available, so they saturate.

[bayard]

Quote: spectr

Apparently, equipment is needed to deal with mobile, weakly armored enemy weapons.

Obviously, these are ersatz to provide air defense from drones. It’s just that they (air defense systems) now need a LOT of them, and 12,7 and 14,5 mm calibers are enough. So they pulled everything that is from the warehouses. I think that this is not even so much for the front, but for cover from attack UAVs that flew across the territory of the Russian Federation. Yes, and in the near rear on the fronts, a lot of this is needed. Therefore, we will see on trucks and motorcycle leagues and ZPU, and other ersatz.
But if at such a pace and with such "successes" the SVO continues to go further, in a couple of years we will have twin and quadruple machine guns "Maxim" on the turret.

[Arsen1]

provide air defense from a machine gun with a rate of fire of 300 rounds per minute?) Good luck with this attraction

[bayard]

Quote: Arsen1

provide air defense from a machine gun with a rate of fire of 300 rounds per minute?)

Arseniy, this is not the rate of fire of machine guns (we look at this at least on Wikipedia, the rate of fire of the KPVT) but 25 mm. guns ON ONE BARREL! Two barrels give a rate of fire already 600 rounds per minute.
Few ?
And this is already like Kalash.
Actually, "Maxim" has 300 rounds per minute. and the Sumerians provide them with air defense.
And here is the GUN.
25 mm. caliber .
Or 14,5mm machine guns. with a much higher rate of fire (550 - 600 rounds per minute). On the stem. And there are two trunks.
After all, this is against a UAV with a speed of 120 - 200 km / h !! This is the speed of airplanes on the eve (!) of the First World War.

[Bad_gr]

There was information here (https://topwar.ru/211973-zamechen-jeshelon-s-novejshimi-rossijskimi-btr-bumerang.html) that the train with Boomerangs was going somewhere. Let's hope, exactly where it is needed (to prepare for the May 9 parade, it seems a little early)

[Negro]

Quote: Bad_gr

to prepare for the May 9 parade, it seems a bit early

It's about time. Since February, they always start to bang.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Bad_gr

the train with "Boomerangs" is going somewhere. Let's hope it's exactly where it's needed.

The echelon shows that the optics are not closed, the mock-ups of the Kornet TPK are in place. Old-style boomerang, still 2015. They take you to the parade.

New type boomerang

[Xnumx vis]

[quote=Bad_gr] Let's hope, exactly where it is needed (to prepare for the May 9th parade, it seems a little early)[/quote They may well prepare for the parade in advance .. We can do everything. How was it sung there ...- "You don't have to grieve with our" chieftain "...." The devil knows what kind of "thought" can visit the minister's gray-haired head .. Did you take a plywood Reichstag recently? They took it! So ....

[nov_tech.vrn]

The quadruple maxim is quite an anti-aircraft gun of the early 40s and it proved to be quite good then, so most likely it was removed from storage. Yes, and MTLB riveted a lot at one time, so why not use it, but all laser guns would be sofas, you still need Jedi swords.
And so the density of fire is decent, protection from fragments, and ammunition is apparently not measured in stocks.

[NickShel]

So we are regularly poured honey into our ears about "laser guns" by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with its contractors and journalists in sugar articles about the progress of the domestic military-industrial complex, which forms obvious expectations.
Therefore, when we see such homunculi from the city of labor and sticks at the front, there is a cognitive dissonance.
It's like with the BMPT "Terminator", which, as if specially carried around the rear for the reports of "Stars".

[mmaxx]

For the drone behind the eyes. And the fire can continue as long as there are cartridges. No overheating is not terrible.
A 14,5, 12,7 and 25 for the drone bust

[SergioCDS]

... - I agree with you. BUT. ... - do you have a "reaction", an effort on the control organs, an eye gauge, ballistics calculation, a radar like a lidar ??? - CONGRATULATIONS! You with a quad installation of "maxims" will be effective in countering light reconnaissance, and possibly low-speed strike UAVs ... - like the "T-800" against ANY special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (without reinforcements).

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: kulinar

Maybe just "shilki" put?

There are motorcycle leagues with "Shilki". But there the shooter sits not covered by armor, but here there is some kind of tower.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: kulinar

Maybe just "shilki" put? Probably in storage. Without a radar, with increased BC on the ground, with a radar for large drones.

Yes, the whole point is that the MTLB is equipped with ZUShki even without shilok! And in theory, ship towers - it was clearly superfluous

Why was it necessary to invent some kind of Karbaras?
However ... l / s protection using such a tower - with an open ZUshka, of course, is incomparable.

[Argon]

In Ukraine, many "snipers" divorced. From the Baltic States, Poland, Romania and TD. Some kind of protection is good, if, moreover, they simply lie idle. And from wind, rain and snow norms. I'm more interested in its running characteristics, especially the passage of water obstacles

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: kulinar

Without a radar, with increased BC on the ground, with a radar for large drones.

They may have the technical ability to put an additional lidar, which is good against airborne trifles, and photogrammetric stereoscopic cameras.

[Aken]

Apparently, there are no Shiloks left.
On the other hand, to dispose of frank junk is a witty decision. For drones, this should be enough.

[Arsen1]

yeah, along with the crew. "Great idea. Wouldn't you like to ride under fire on a stere for recycling?

[Timur_kz]

Shilki okay, where is the Tunguska?! Not a single fact of the presence of Tunguska for the year of the NWO is amazing.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Not true. I personally saw 4 "Tunguskas" serving in the protection of the unit. And in the summer I saw the transfer of the same 4 "Tunguskas" towards the border with the Kharkov region.

[Nordsc0l]

A bunch of vidos in February-April, where there are Tunguska

[Vlodek]

demons in caps-pilots
mechanism (aircraft) without a pilot-UAV

[Nordsc0l]

And by the way, such a modification of Shilka for SA was back in Afghanistan.

[bulbash70]

but why lay good in warehouses? Ammunition for them is probably also unmeasured. Moreover, they are not installed on BMP-2; 3; or an armored personnel carrier, but on MT-LB, a peer, so to speak.

[poquello]

Quote: bulbash70

ammunition for them, probably also unmeasured

wow, good idea

[Timur_kz]

Well, that's right, let alone people in bulk, why feel sorry for them? Do you know they roam around idle?

[Subtext]

So we will not crush the Atlantic and Pacific oceans under ourselves ...: o (

[Monster_Fat]

Hmm ... The equipment supplied to Ukraine by the West is necessarily called "worthless", "obsolete", "melted what was lying around in the warehouse" and in the same spirit, but our equipment like this "motorcycle league" is "time-tested", "reliable" , "in skillful hands: wow!".

[Mazunga]

sons bullet fool bayonet-well done))) don’t tear your grandfather’s throat better pour it

[Arsen1]

yeah, I went into the comments, and here it’s as if I’m reading an article by Ryabov

[Commissar77]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Hmm ... The equipment supplied to Ukraine by the West is necessarily called "worthless", "obsolete", "melted what was lying around in the warehouse" and in the same spirit, but our equipment like this "motorcycle league" is "time-tested", "reliable" , "in skillful hands: wow!".

Well, perhaps there is no other? There would be 5000 Armats, they would be installed.

[order64]

Not otherwise. Is it in vain that Gerasimov was brought to the fore

[smart ass]

And this is the weapon of the second army of the world? Where did the 20 trillion rubles go?! For 10 years of rearmament? 70% of modern weapons they said

[al3x]

In our kingdom, everything is always beautiful with numbers in reports, but they have little in common with reality. And this applies to absolutely everything.

[Diger]

weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

THREE (or 4) landmark state armament programs were successful. Trillions of rubles have been disbursed in full, Shoigu Chemnzov will not be allowed to lie
ZSU born in the 50s with peephole guidance (3 bast shoes to the left of the moon) will fight on equal terms with cheetahs and Skynex equipped with Oerlikon X-TAR3D Tactical AFAR

[smart ass]

They will shoot down f35 from this unit

[fa2998]

Quote: Aerodrome

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles".

Quote: Aerodrome

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles".

Probably on May 9 at the main parade they will show! They will be counted among the new systems, they will be painted festively. The country will be happy!

[azkolt]

Quote: Aerodrome

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

Yes, where are they, these analog shit? What will Sergei Khuzhenetovich tell us about this?

[2112vda]

New is well forgotten old. What for to fence "wunderwafer on new physical principles" if the problem is solved by old simple means. As Griboyedov said: "For every sage, simplicity is enough." The solution is logical and simple. So everything is correct.

[Commissar77]

Quote: 2112vda

New is well forgotten old. What for to fence "wunderwafer on new physical principles" if the problem is solved by old simple means. As Griboyedov said: "For every sage, simplicity is enough." The solution is logical and simple. So everything is correct.

The bow and arrow is ours. Oh, I forgot, also a shield and a sword with a spear

[Diger]

Oh, I forgot, also a shield and a sword with a spear

Rogatin!

[Just_Kvasha]

Comrade non-commander-in-chief, you need to understand that this installation is very effective against drones. Before, they had to start delivering.

[ivan1979nkl]

weapons based on "new physical principles"

new physical principles - where have you seen them lately? Plasma blaster maybe? The principle has already been used - the flamethrower shoots exactly the plasma !!

[Anna E]

Flamethrower to plasma as to the moon. However, this temperature is sufficient.

[engineer74]

Quote: Aerodrome

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

In Star Wars, the MG-42 shoots with plasma - why is KPVT worse?
I hope this shushpanzer was made for some specific task, and not from poverty and despair ...
IMHO.

[ALCA056000]

"However, the military in the NVO zone say that the car is suitable, but the idea is sound." - that's a real assessment, not servile lamentations!

[Anna E]

You can, of course, and an electromagnetic gun, and a laser with x-ray pumping. Can? Yes, you can. You can also hammer nails with a microscope. The bed is heavy and durable. There are two questions. 1. Why? 2. At whose expense is the banquet? If a 25mm twin grinds Bradley to rubbish, why a railgun?

[cat Rusich]

Quote from Anna E.

You can, of course, and an electromagnetic gun, and a laser with x-ray pumping. Can? Yes, you can. You can also hammer nails with a microscope.
If a 25mm twin grinds Bradley to rubbish, why a railgun?

"Gag" in the means observation и connectionthat M2A3 Bradley has.
In order to "grind" (cut lengthwise, across and obliquely ...) "Bradley" you need to be the first to see it and get into it ... at the same time frontal armor "Bradley" will endure and 30mm from BMP-2 from 300m, while M2A2 ... 3 has a remote sensing.
The Bradley itself penetrates the frontal armor of the Russian BMP with 1,5-2km.

[poquello]

Quote: cat Rusich

frontal armor "Bradley" can withstand 30mm

) with hinged shields

Quote: cat Rusich

BMP-2 from 300m, while the M2A2 ... 3 has a remote sensing.
The Bradley itself penetrates the frontal armor of the Russian BMP from 1,5-2 km.

why so modest? 5-10 kilometers would be written))))))))))))))))), and our infantry fighting vehicles yeaaa - they don’t penetrate at point-blank range))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))) you need to write such nonsense

[Bayun]

When in close combat BMPs work almost "on a bayonet" from ambushes, what are the "kilometers"? And from 100-300 meters, yes, they turn any other into a colander into a bochin, who will be in time FIRST.

In the case of "kilometers" ATGMs are available.

[Arsen1]

you read the damn article, there is 14,5 mm. Have you seen a motorcycle league at all? Look at this tower, where to shove 2 people and also a 25 mm twin with ammunition. and 14.5 bradley keeps in a circle

[Mazunga]

this is "Kurganets" and "terminator" at minimum wages) after the T-62 I feel a lot of interesting things will appear from the warehouses

[Bayun]

If there are hundreds of these towers left from the cut ships, and in the warehouses for them - hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition are stale - a great solution!

[poquello]

Quote: Bayun

If there are hundreds of these towers left from the cut ships, and in the warehouses for them - hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition are stale - a great solution!

so it is, what good to disappear

[Commissar77]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Bayun

If there are hundreds of these towers left from the cut ships, and in the warehouses for them - hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition are stale - a great solution!

so it is, what good to disappear

Haven't bows and arrows been lying around anywhere in the Moscow Region? There is a lot of wood in the country if that

[VSO-396]

Nope. Cavalry checkers, they say, there is!

[CC300CC]

Quote: Bayun

If there are hundreds of these towers left from the cut ships, and in the warehouses for them - hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition are stale - a great solution!

Put an intelligent admiral in command, and you can arrange squadron battles - "crossing T" over the Bradley column to fight.
In general, this is an ersatz air defense from drones. It is not clear only whether there is a radar for aiming.

[isv000]

Quote: Aerodrome

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

Each weapon is designed for its own purposes, there is a job for this. Separately, they are so-so, but together they can come in handy.

[Gogol]

To fight drones, apparently

[cold wind]

Against Drones, this is useless from the word at all. This is an ersatz BMP.

[Just_Kvasha]

Against drones, this is useful from the word "absolutely".

[Arsen1]

Excuse me, did you shoot from the KPVT? with its rate of fire, there can be no talk of any drones. Air defense should be either rapid-fire or "smart"

[cast iron]

Dear comrade, you probably don’t know, but the KPVT was used in anti-aircraft guns: ZGU-1, ZPU-2 and ZPU-4. Read at your leisure. And stop telling the tale about 300 rounds / min.

[Arsen1]

And you stop believing in 600)) this is a technical rate of fire, combat in the region of a hundred. The average is just 300 and it comes out, in 2 barrels 600. No one shoots at the barrel melt from the kvt.

[cast iron]

Well, you probably "know better" how the anti-aircraft gunners fired from the KPVT. You are a prominent anti-aircraft gunner :) And as many as three anti-aircraft fire systems based on the KPVT are probably an indicator of its low rate of fire and uselessness :)

[isv000]

Quote from cold wind

Against Drones, this is useless from the word at all. This is an ersatz BMP.

In warehouses, nothing should gather dust just like that, especially in our time. Everything must be sent to the front, as prepared as possible and in any combination. If this hybrid, in your opinion, is not suitable against drones, then you can use it on ground targets ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from gogol

To fight drones, apparently

For "fighting drones" "Shilki" is better suited! Moreover, "someone" promises to make 23-mm projectiles with a programmable detonation!

[your1970]

With an open tower? So that a grenade from a drone is guaranteed to put everyone down?

[BARKAS]

Drones can score with these radar installations, some kind of available.

[donavi49]

There is no radar, there is no serious sight. There is a piece of iron instead of a sight. This is just an ersatz BMP.

According to UAVs, this is useless, or rather, not completely useless, but in terms of efficiency at the level of ZPU / memory and other things.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: donavi49

UAVs are useless, or rather, not completely useless,

This is an ersatz product without its own reconnaissance equipment, "fastening" an external radar station to this wagon is also a crutch. the problem of relative orientation of the elements will not be solved, it is possible to bring them into a platoon / battery, but the efficiency will be low. It is pleasant and comfortable to work with manual guidance drives in an unventilated / unheated booth.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: donavi49

There is no radar, there is no serious sight. There is a piece of iron instead of a sight.

In the video in the article, along with anti-aircraft guns, there is another thing on the same base:

I have another question: why this pedestal was not sunk into the hull of an armored car, because it, at least to the level of the fenders, will freely enter there.

[donavi49]

This is not a thing, but quite a Strela-10.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: donavi49

This is not a thing, but quite a Strela-10.

Exactly, she. I wonder if they can work together? I mean, not standing nearby, but will "Arrow-10" share its data from the radar?

[smart ass]

If only with the help of flags, if the gunner waves

[alexmach]

What other radar? Arrow-10 has no radar at all. You see a square over there - this is an optical guidance system. Who would share the data with her ..

[Diger]

No. Can not.
9K35 Frank junk.
She herself needs a PU-12.
She cannot give out. Yes, there is no place to take it. Not to whom.
In my opinion, only a radio range finder is for her, but there is no radar at all

[highlight]

And just a year ago they announced that all the arrows were withdrawn from the Armed Forces. They say it's only Ukrainians indulge in such junk.

[Arsen1]

And just a year ago they announced that all the arrows were withdrawn from the Armed Forces

so the y points were removed from service in 19. but nothing, they are fighting.

[alexmach]

This is not a thing, but quite a Strela-10

So, well, if these "ersatz" are traveling together with the "Strela", maybe it's air defense after all and not BMPs?

[ZIF122]

Because in the barbette there is a hydraulic drive with an engine and a vku (rotating contact device), therefore it is impossible to drown deeper!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ZIF122

(rotating.contact.device), so you can’t drown deeper!

It rotates, as I understand it, only the tower, without the pedestal. Here is the cabinet and drown the armored personnel carrier. Of course, there will be little space inside the conveyor.
Found a cheap option with this BM:

[alexmach]

why this pedestal was not drowned in the body of an armored car

Saved the internal volumes?

[Diger]

I have another question: why this pedestal was not sunk into the hull of an armored car, because it, at least to the level of the fenders, will freely enter there.

It is always, everywhere mounted like this.

Apparently because of the UVN (-10 + 85) and the angle of sweeping. So that the platform is not painted in haste

[cast iron]

Not drowned in the body, so as not to spoil the roof. And under it, you can also use the body for transportation. And then you can remove it from the roof and use MTLB without it, without repairing the roof.

[CC300CC]

Quote: cast iron

Not drowned in the body, so as not to spoil the roof. And under it, you can also use the body for transportation. And then you can remove it from the roof and use MTLB without it, without repairing the roof.

Or maybe it's just a means of increasing the survivability of a motorcycle league - instead of a "barbecue"? Look how much a cumulative jet needs to go vertically)

[BARKAS]

There is no radar

On the video separately, the motorcycle league was with something similar to a radar.

[Diger]

Quote: BARKAS

On the video separately, the motorcycle league was with something similar to a radar

radio rangefinder is
Known SAM 9K35M2 or 9K34M2

[alexmach]

This is just an ersatz BMP

oh god forbid! Still, I want to believe in the best.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: BARKAS

Drones can score with these radar installations, some kind of available.

on a motorbike? Radar? oh ...

[Nexcom]

Looks like a hell of a self-propelled gun. Couldn't they have been more technically accurate? Above the Frankenstein-handicrafts of shareware neighing, but what about yourself?

[dmi.pris1]

By the way, a couple of days ago it was written (with banter, about a ukromonster with this tower) It turned out that this is ours.

[Nexcom]

You are right, I also read this banter and was stunned when "this masterpiece" turned out to be ours. The height is what this installation has - it will probably be seen with such a high tower for 10 km ....
Although most likely it is not intended for the cutting edge.

Maybe they decided to cross everything that was stale and turn it into a useful thing? Like - well, why is it gathering dust, let it bring benefits.
Over the T62, so the people also joked ....

[dmi.pris1]

Actually, if used together with a radar, then you can organize a good barrier on the object

[Nexcom]

Yes, this is understandable ... No matter how this system got the ability to easily roll over with small rolls - nevertheless, the center of mass changed with such a high tower.
Physics can’t be deceived or canceled - even if it’s a minus.

[dmi.pris1]

Therefore, the guns were replaced with KPVT .. Something like that ..

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Therefore, the guns were replaced with KPVT .. Something like that.

Or maybe "somehow" in caliber (25 mm)? Or rather, in the insufficient availability of 25 mm ammunition?

[alexmach]

Or rather, in the insufficient availability of 25-mm ammunition?

Especially the landlords.

[Anna E]

The warehouses of the Navy are shaking. They have wagons of this stuff.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Anna E.

The warehouses of the Navy are shaking. They have wagons of this good

Is it so? These installations have not been produced for a long time! It is logical to assume that the production of ammunition was soon stopped, because. they don't apply anywhere else! And the existing ones could be shot for many years during training and exercises!

[poquello]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Quote from Anna E.

The warehouses of the Navy are shaking. They have wagons of this good

Is it so? These installations have not been produced for a long time! It is logical to assume that the production of ammunition was soon stopped, because. they don't apply anywhere else! And the existing ones could be shot for many years during training and exercises!

or maybe look at the pictures)))))))))))))))), which one .... he says about machine guns)))))))))

[Alien From]

And why minus something, they crossed a snake and a hedgehog. Let them show at the parade, such a mess, hair on end!

[Anna E]

"Practice is the criterion of truth." Let's see how it will work, then we will raise our hair.

[Anna E]

I won't miss! Don't wait! As for stability, this is not Afghanistan, the plain is like a table. And skillfully and a buoy (with the letter x) can be broken.

[Anna E]

So far, 18 pluses, no one has at least been minus. You make Giordano Bruno early. No one brought firewood and tar, and you already see yourself at the stake, a martyr of science.

[vinschu]

With a range of 3 km "not for the front line"?

[nov_tech.vrn]

In Syria, "shilkas" have proven themselves very well, and apparently they are not enough against objects flying at low altitudes either.

[Mol_18]

In Syria, "shilki" have proven themselves very well

I don’t understand why, Shilka is not actively used to support infantry, and even better, you can put 4 twin guns like Shilka on the tank base, and under the tank’s armor, and put 4 ATGM cornets, and work on dill, T-64 and T -62, there is still a lot in the warehouses, it’s better to have armor on the base of the Tank than on MTLB where there is no armor.

[mmaxx]

Shilka was spent godlessly on the Afghans and the Caucasus.

[wladimirjankov]

Shilka seems to have been handed over by the generals for non-ferrous and black scrap metal.

[ZIF122]

It is not clear how they work there. This art installation is powered by a hydraulic drive and it is turned by a DC motor for 220v or 110v, which is powered by the ship's VAKS! And here, how it is energized, very interesting! So, of course, the car is not bad, but yes, it’s old, it has gone into production since 1949! The old people say the engines used to be on 24v, but I didn’t find them. They still stand on the old BT and BDK.

[Waterways 672]

2m3m works very easily from a manual drive. Roughly speaking, you can twist it with one finger. I found a photo of the installation on our ship.

[Nikolaevich I]

By the way, on another site these installations are referred to as 2M-3! I don’t quite understand how it was determined that some of the installations were machine-gun; the pictures are very "muddy" and taken from a "decent" distance! Machine gun mounts were used in the Navy ... "similar" of them ... these are 2M-7 (that is, "vertical") ... "In appearance", of course, 2M-7 is not easy to confuse with 2M-3 (2M -3M); but over time, the installations "changed" (some modifications appeared ...) They could also "transfer" the weapons part from 2M-7 to the "platform" 2M-3 (2M-3M) at the "last moment" .. .

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: ZIF122

It is not clear how they work there.

Through the clutch on the power take-off shaft.

[solar]

Is the generator worth it? There is an electric

[midivan]

[/ Quote] The unit is powered by a hydraulic drive and it is powered by a 220v or 110v DC motor, which is powered by the ship's VAKS! And here how it is powered is very interesting! [quote]

Already probably ten years ago, I installed inverters from 12v to 220v 3 kW in cars, it was less than a brick in size, I twisted a grinder and a drill.

[mmaxx]

Even a 37 mm spark was played by my son jokingly. He was 8 years old. This one will fly even more. When I twisted that spark, it was still possible to fly out of the seat, if something went wrong)).

[Mol_18]

Above the Frankenstein-handicrafts of shareware neighing, but what about yourself?

So some still laugh at the equipment that they are supplied with, at the strikers and Bradley. In the same place, the BC, in fact, should be located somewhere, there is plenty of space on the ship, but with the BC it will probably fit in a hoe, there is a place there, but during firing it will not be turned over by the MTLB, then from such a load.

[Bayun]

I repeat. If there are many, many millions of rounds of ammunition for this "miracle", then the matter is very justified. Our fleets, unfortunately, are not very much at war purely historically. And, here, the heroic crews in the infantry and the "tower caliber" on land are a long-standing military "tradition".

[Filosoff]

I remember that about 9 months ago someone was indignant, someone was neighing that they were fighting prisoners ... Lately I notice that we are going through the same stages, only with a big delay. It would be funny if, in the light of subsequent events, it was not so sad...

[Kok_Ivanov]

Then, logically, by October we should be supplied with "Abrams" and "Leopards" ...

[incognoto]

I don’t see anything wrong with that .. if it were time before the NWO, then yes there would be questions. in this case, taking into account the fact that the SVO has been going on for more than a year, the supply of such weapons is the norm,
especially in another case, they would simply rust and that's it. and so serve their country

[Mikhail Maslov]

Yes, yes, it means “Shilka and Tunguska” are not needed, this creation is very necessary especially in this war. And where are the screams, where to get ammunition, and the workload of logistics. .why not put them?

[cold wind]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

ZU-23-2. Why not install them?

They put. They are used as infantry fighting vehicles if that.

[incognoto]

everything is needed to win .. I didn’t just write that NWO has been going on for more than a year. obviously we have losses in technology. so plugged here with such machines.

[ZIF122]

There are a lot of ammunition on them in warehouses!

[km-21]

There are a lot of ammunition on them in warehouses!

And this is the correct answer.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

a plant for the production of ZU-23-2 was opened. why not supply them?

So, put! They even recently developed a "new" anti-drone installation with a ZU-23-2 "mounted" on a "Tiger"!

[d.zacharith]

It will serve to serve, but it’s not very good against American Bradleys and other NATO infantry fighting vehicles

[cast iron]

We have tanks against the Bradley. They are much better at handling them.

[Kok_Ivanov]

If you purely write off at the checkpoint (so that they don’t rust), then yes.
And if "this" instead of a wrecked T-72 is put up in Berlin .... It will not be bad, but ashamed.
After the brave reports
about those who do not have anadogs and herego knows how many percent of substitutions, there are a bunch of questions .... And the main one: WHERE?

[blackGRAIL]

In the Nagorno-Karabakh war of 1992-1994, 2M-3M on the MT-LBU chassis was used by the Azerbaijani military.
In general, the MT-LB / U chassis is on a par with such products as the Kalashnikov assault rifle and the Mi-8 helicopter. This is something from the category of "eternal". You can only try to modernize some individual elements.

[saigon]

There zu 23 and shoved into the bodies of dump trucks, I had a chance to see on KAMAZ

[blackGRAIL]

ZU-23 - yes. This tool was installed on almost all existing platforms, and often in serial production. The reason for using 2M-3M (more precisely, its tower installation) is interesting here. Apparently the reason is armor protection.

[Kok_Ivanov]

There is no armor protection there!
Only from dust

[Fizik13]

On our technique they write - Z, V or O, and on all sides and BOLD, and applied before transportation. And here, only in the first photo, there is an impression that it was written with chalk.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Yes, they no longer apply, I see every day and a lot of equipment without any signs at all. There are other circles inside the triangle.

[svp67]

M.. yes ... We laughed long and loudly at the "handicrafts" of the Ukrainian "home-made", but we ourselves are going the same way, only wider ...

The choice of "motorbike" as the base machine is the most acceptable option because of its cross-country ability.

Oh, it’s doubtful .. For me, it would be better if the BTR-50 was used as a BS, there it would be possible to place this installation, cutting off part of the cabin, more optimally, closer to the center of mass of the vehicle. All the same, this installation weighs 1515 kg, and this is a bit too much to place on the stern of the MT-LB. Fortunately, there are still BTR-50s at storage bases in the Far East, it would also be worth looking for the PT-76 there and using them as BS for such "anti-aircraft guns".
Something like this ...

And the main question is how this "thing" will be used, as I understand it has neither a locator nor a rangefinder

[Nexcom]

So I'm talking about the same thing - how is this system with rollover resistance at certain roll angles?

[svp67]

Quote: Nexcom

So I'm talking about the same thing - how is this system with rollover resistance at certain roll angles?

And how will she drive along the bumps of Russian roads, with such an uneven and even excessive load on the rear rollers? The suspension will not endure such frank mockery for a long time.

[Mordvin 3]

Yes, just dig it deeper and use it for protection.

[your1970]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Yes, just dig it deeper and use it for protection.

It also seems to me that for object anti-drone air defense in places remote from the front - warehouses, fuel and lubricants, as well as against DRGs in the same place - it might work out well.
Sparka DShK is a brutal thing, at least in terms of infantry

[saigon]

It is difficult to ruin a motorcycle league, even extremely handy because the driver is a tenacious machine, I had a chance to see a 120 mm mortar on it and the suspension held nothing.

[svp67]

Quote: saigon

I had a chance to see a 120 mm mortar on it and the suspension held nothing.

275 kilograms, this is not 1530 kg of this anti-aircraft gun. Do you understand the difference in weight?

[Fat]

Then the HELLY "wirbelwind" will work! The Germans placed their quadruple 20 mm guns on the T 4 chassis. Veterans told me that it was a deadly machine for infantry, but did not prove itself very well against aviation.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: svp67

Fortunately, there are still BTR-50s at storage bases in the Far East

If the war drags on for another couple of years, and the turn will come to the BTR-50.
Moreover, there is a lot of work for them: transporting goods and personnel to the front line, towing mortars, installing an 82mm mortar, etc., etc.

[CC300CC]

[quote = Captain Pushkin] [quote = svp67] If it drags on for another couple of years, and the turn comes to the BTR-50. [/ quote]
Already reached, a month ago even, the video is widely dispersed.

[Kok_Ivanov]

And in the Far East (on the islands) there is an IS-3 ....

[zyablik.olga]

Quote: Kok_Ivanov

And in the Far East (on the islands) there is an IS-3 ....

Already in a state of scrap metal. However, the condition of the IS-2 and IS-3 abandoned in the Kuriles is still better than that of the Japanese tanks left there from World War II.

[mmaxx]

It's not for drones. Why does she need a locator?

[fetus]

why not upgrade the Tsar Cannon from the Kremlin?

[Nexcom]

on what chassis do you propose to weld it? BTR152?
Well, what - I think as soon as the Svidomites see such a hollow, they will immediately rush to tick.

[fetus]

On the T-34 !!) A time-tested platform!

[Alien From]

Wait, at this pace, soon it will be her turn.
How, how this craft will ride, garage tuning.
Damn, there are no words. It's a shame, they hung noodles for so many years and continue to hang them!

[lopvlad]

Quote: Alien From

noodles have been hung for so many years and continue to be hung!

and what's the noodle? Or do you, in your naivety, think that Ukraine is the main enemy in the furnace of war with which you need to throw the most modern armored vehicles in order to eventually end up with such junk in a real war against NATO. Armored vehicles are essentially a consumable on the battlefield and do not use something that is a lot weapons, it is effective and it is not a pity for him, it would be a crime against Bandera in Ukraine.
The West is not jarring to supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with weapons of the 40s, thereby utilizing its rubbish and thereby creating problems for Russia.
The USSR, for example, during the Second World War near Moscow, used guns from the times of the Crimean War against the Germans. From a direct hit by a shell from these guns, the turret of a German tank was torn off and thrown tens of meters, and a shell that hit the hull pierced the tank through and through.

[Luka Nord]

Then some started whining again ..hehe
The cauldron is ready and the corridor too. We will let out and in which case put EVERYONE out of such things!
Russia's patience is over!!! I hope these will put PMCs, they know how to use them

[vinschu]

And only the caps do not end. The text of your comment is too short and according to the site administration.

[Luka Nord]

Quote: vinschu

And only the caps do not end. The text of your comment is too short and according to the site administration.

And yours is very long and informative hehe

[VSO-396]

LukaNord, aren't you Gonzalez for an hour? The reaction is the same.

[your1970]

Quote: VSO-396

LukaNord, aren't you Gonzalez for an hour? The reaction is the same.

This is the old unsinkable Meehan...

[savage]

. And here is the "having no analogue in the world" equipment went to the front bypassing the parades

[Oleg812spb]

It is possible that the installations themselves from dismantled minesweepers, torpedo and missile boats were put into action. The BC is stored a lot, as a mobile short-range memory for creating air defense lines from UAVs and covering objects will do just fine.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Oleg812spb

It is possible that the installations themselves from dismantled minesweepers, torpedo and missile boats were put into action

I understood where they got these towers. In Sevastopol, the former ukroships stood idle .. Trawlers, various missile boats, and other crap. We decided to use them, at least something.

[cast iron]

As I understand it, 1949 ammunition only gets better with time? How expensive wine? :)

[your1970]

Quote: cast iron

As I understand it, 1949 ammunition only gets better with time? How expensive wine? :)

For you personally, cartridges for KPVT(!!!!!) Which are in these towers - they are still being released .....

[Bad_gr]

Quote: your1970

cartridges for KPVT (!!!!!) Which are in these towers

On the 2M-3M anti-aircraft guns there are 110-PM automatic guns (designer Nudelman) of 25 mm caliber, they have nothing to do with KPVT (designer Vladimirov).

[Waterways 672]

On our destroyer, in addition to 4 45mm SM-20 zif, there were 2 more 2m3m installations, but they were rarely used in firing. Ashtrays from shells for their shells were made at the DMB - the smallest caliber on the ship.

[Marine engineer]

“The choice of a naval gun mount as a turret is ambiguous.”
I wonder how this miracle, with a displaced center of gravity, will resist tipping over when driving along a crossroads.

[Oleg812spb]

I don't think it's meant to be fired on the move.

[Marine engineer]

This is not about shooting on the move, but about moving from point A to point B, and not along the highway, but along “directions”

[Nexcom]

The article says that there are 2 people in the tower. This is yet another addition to the rollover instability.

It dawned on me why they made the tower so high - maybe there is a standing crew fighting?

[ZIF122]

One person is sitting in the tower, on the left is the door! The armor is weak anti-fragmentation!

[Nexcom]

And where will this man go out of the tower through this very door? There's nowhere! There is air! Or does it come with a ladder?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Nexcom

And where will this man go out of the tower through this very door? There's nowhere! There is air! Or does it come with a ladder?

Immediately behind the door there is a step, and in the center of the cabinet there is a step.

[Oleg812spb]

Especially gifted and out of the blue will find problems for themselves

And in her pedestal, the BC is located and the mechanism for its supply.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is a good solution for dealing with large drones and even enemy helicopters. There are only questions about the drive. If they kept the hydraulic, then it's good, if only the manual, then it's bad.
The same BMP-2 is inconvenient for firing at air targets, only the commander has an anti-aircraft sight, not to mention the BMP-1.
You can, of course, find fault with the incompatibility of ammunition with the ZU-23-3 and 30-mm guns, but these are details.

[Negro]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

This is a good solution for dealing with large drones and even enemy helicopters.

To fight large drones and even enemy helicopters (by the way, where will the enemy get them from), it is supposed to have Strela, Osa and Shilka from Tungusskaya. Where is it all?

The appearance of such a prodigy should not cause discussion whether they are useful or not. Any KKP on a pickup truck is useful.

The question is, what are they used instead of? Where is the standard equipment, albeit from the Brezhnev era?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

How do I know where you get helicopters? And what equipment of the Brezhnev era should you submit, BTR-70 or BMP-1?

[Negro]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

And what equipment of the Brezhnev era should you submit, BTR-70 or BMP-1?

I listed. But yes, any standard equipment is better than homemade banned ISILstyle. At least uniformity.

[Oleg812spb]

Against terrorist tactics like ISIS with attacks on purely civilian targets, you have to use everything more or less suitable in order to organize their stationary cover to the maximum.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Negro

it is supposed to have an Arrow, Osa and Shilka from the Tunguska. Where is it all?

There are vague suspicions that Shilka and Tunguska have long been sold to all sorts of underdeveloped countries.

[Negro]

Quote: lis-ik

Shilka with Tunguska have long been sold to all sorts of underdeveloped countries.

How so? It's the forelocks who sold the entire Soviet legacy to Africa, and now they are forced to dig up the MG42 buried by their grandfather-Bandera in 1946? How did it happen that the fighters against Nazism had already passed the BTR-50 and were engaged in homemade products, and the Nazis were mastering the Challengers and Leopards 2A6?

Some fluff along the way. How can I post a report here?

[Arsen1]

we pissed off the ability to send reports about 10 years ago. Now we live with that admin ktr there is

[Oleg812spb]

Laughed, however! You are not very good at Eurogeopolitics or the virtual forelock has grown ...

[your1970]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: Negro

it is supposed to have an Arrow, Osa and Shilka from the Tunguska. Where is it all?

There are vague suspicions that Shilka and Tunguska have long been sold to all sorts of underdeveloped countries.

When I served urgently in Kushka, after the withdrawal of troops to Afghanistan, after 2-3 months, Shilki-3 echelons were sent there. I participated in unloading. The mechanics of the tank regiment were driven to the border.

[Bongo]

For the most part, they don't work for us. The MSA of the machines that were in storage needs repair, and for good, a radical modernization. Those that were in combat units were mostly "used up" or out of order for technical reasons.

[Negro]

Quote: Bongo

They are for the most part inoperable.

Oops.

Joe, what about the Cobras? Joe, wake up!

[AVA77]

You can, of course, laugh, but, her shoulder strap is high, behind a parapet or behind a concrete fence this thing is quite a mobile firing point.

[Nexcom]

Sharovarnye go crazy - the tower visible above the parapet itself (!) Goes back and forth and pours fire.

[AVA77]

They might go nuts, who knows. So in industrial development it may well come in handy.
On the spot, the guys will figure out what to do with it and how to apply it.

[Monster_Fat]

Sharovarnye go crazy - the tower visible above the parapet itself (!) Goes back and forth and pours fire.

Yeah, and right there the ATGM catches this tower ...

[poquello]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Sharovarnye go crazy - the tower visible above the parapet itself (!) Goes back and forth and pours fire.

Yeah, and right there the ATGM catches this tower ...

bourgeois birds will either not fly, or if they fly they will not bring harm, because the city, but on the other hand, is of the 4th generation

[AVA77]

Better an anti-aircraft gun in such a tower or no guns at all than an anti-tank gun in a barrel.
Yes, and an arrow without armor, hanging with a bare bottom over an abyss, then another pleasure.

[Arsen1]

Daragay, why is there 4mm armor there, what do you want Dolby from

[Escobar]

Maybe for the near rear, at the checkpoint, bury a tower, but no more

[White AK]

20 years of army reforms and 70% of new equipment did not help. Well, at least in the USSR they built and did not make photo reports, now there is something to fight on. The minister can go to the basement and 9 grams to him in addition, you don’t need to draw a green cross.

[your1970]

Quote: White AK

20 years of army reforms and 70% of new equipment did not help

Are you talking about June 1941 now ??
They also boasted of "Little blood on the territory of the enemy ...", then a hop and near Moscow. For 5 months....

[T-100]

At this rate, the experience of the civil war will soon come into play, carts with a Maxim machine gun.

[kasatky]

To overpower the enemy - everything will fit. In extreme cases, muzzle-loading ignition is a weapon.

[Marine engineer]

It will not work with carts this year - competencies have been lost))).
Although if you entrust Rostec, you may be able to shine at an exhibition in some kind of Abu Dhabi in 2030)))

[Nexcom]

yes. with a turret from a destroyer.

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[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nexcom

yes. with a turret from a destroyer.

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You can take a fluff from the 30th armored turret battery .. The battery is mothballed. Live...

But there are spare barrels 17 meters long and ammunition ... under 305 mm. It hits for forty km ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do you propose to restore the TM-3-12, a 305-mm railway artillery gun of the 1938 model, and roam around Avdiivka so as not to risk aviation?

[TOR2]

This thing will require projectiles with a GLONASS module and several helicopter-type UAVs with radio and optoelectronic suppression systems. And the range, of course, I would like more, but if it knocks, it will knock.

[d.zacharith]

I have been offering this option for a long time ... dill fortifications equal the most

[Xnumx vis]

Any means are good if they help to win.

[poquello]

Quote: Marine engineer

It will not work with carts this year - competencies have been lost))).
Although if you entrust Rostec, you may be able to shine at an exhibition in some kind of Abu Dhabi in 2030)))

why wait for the 30th year, ATVs with anti-tank guns are used now, carts at one time were a very effective means of mobile combat, and laughter for no reason .. well, you yourself know

[Marine engineer]

Do we have the production of domestic ATVs? I have never heard of such an achievement of effective managers. Relying on Chinese consumer goods in battle is not the best idea.

And "to live and build ..." helps us not only the song but also laughter.

[poquello]

Quote: Marine Engineer

Do we have production of domestic ATVs?

I'm embarrassed to ask, are you from Russia at all?

stealth, hunter, rm, avm - these are only popular brands

[lis-ik]

Quote: poquello

stealth, hunter, rm, avm - these are only popular brands

It's all China, with our stickers. Do you really have no technology?

[poquello]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: poquello

stealth, hunter, rm, avm - these are only popular brands

It's all China, with our stickers. Do you really have no technology?

why didn’t they say that the T90 with the Sarmatians is all China? and most importantly, you just don’t mind))))))))))))))))))))

[Marine engineer]

stealth, hunter, rm, avm - these are only popular brands"

The engines on them are "famous brands" Chinese, as probably everything else

[poquello]

Quote: Marine engineer

stealth, hunter, rm, avm - these are only popular brands"

The engines on them are "famous brands" Chinese, as probably everything else

so Russia is not autarky yet)

[acetophenone]

Has no analogues in the world...
With whom you will lead, from that you will gain.

[Escobar]

But at the May 9 parade, the Armata tank will be shown to the electorate

[Nexcom]

Armat will show a lot ....
Where are they in the troops then only.

[your1970]

Quote: Eskobar

But at the May 9 parade, the Armata tank will be shown to the electorate

Well, in the USSR, the T-35 was also shown to the electorate, yeah .....

[voyaka uh]

More use would be from the T-55 than from this armored car.
Lenin pushed with about such a speech in 1917.
The speaker can be seen from afar from the roof of a high tower.

[Commissar77]

Quote: voyaka uh

More use would be from the T-55 than from this armored car.
Lenin pushed with about such a speech in 1917.
The speaker can be seen from afar from the roof of a high tower.

Cool about Lenin. Maybe they are already preparing for the revolution, they will push speeches from them.

[CC300CC]

Quote: voyaka uh

More use would be from the T-55 than from this armored car.
Lenin pushed with about such a speech in 1917.
The speaker can be seen from afar from the roof of a high tower.

So maybe this is for the newly created political department? The political instructor climbed in and broadcasts from above, agitates.
Or for better command and control of troops, instead of quadrocopters - also what kind of commander climbed up and looked through binoculars.

[mag nit]

After Minister of Defense Shoigu visited the NVO zone, "Analogovnet" weapons finally began to arrive at the front.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: mag nit

After Minister of Defense Shoigu visited the NVO zone, "Analogovnet" weapons finally began to arrive at the front.

[Yapet100]

It is better for Americans with their nimars not to meddle close to such weapons!

[Escobar]

I won’t be surprised if soon T34 in cities will begin to be removed from pedestals in order to send them into battle

[Tma197725]

When KPVT hits you with two barrels, it will be even sadder. In any case, it’s worse than pickups with Maxim. There should be nothing for the defender. For an attack, the armor is weak.

[your1970]

Quote from Tma197725

When KPVT hits you with two barrels, it will be even sadder. In any case, it’s worse than pickups with Maxim. There should be nothing for the defender. For an attack, the armor is weak.

Grandfather told me that they were leaving the encirclement (heavy howitzer gunner) and two DShK crews with the commander strayed to them. In the morning the Germans caught up with them - 3 tanks (I think some kind of armored cars) and 3 infantry trucks. 5 rounds of ammunition left on the nose and that's it. The Germans dismounted and turned around - here the DShK and hit it.
10 minutes of battle and the Germans ran out ....
Quite ...
And the next day, both crews died while crossing the front line
No names or surnames or graves ....

[mag nit]

Quote from gogol

To fight drones, apparently

More like mills.

[Tarasios]

Yeah, the motorcycle league does not become obsolete) We are waiting for the version with a laser installation;)

[fiberboard]

Oh, you, tyamnota, this, Kurganets, is called the latest BMP from Sergei Kuzhugetovich.

[Dmitrii]

Quote: Aerodrome

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

Sadly, this is when at least some kind of weapon was not originally invented for the tractor. And so at least you can shoot.

[cast iron]

Well, actually, he originally had a turret with PKT. But, apparently, with the modern saturation of enemy troops with armored vehicles, a single 7,62 mm machine gun is already frankly weak.

[stankow]

MTLB had a 12.7 mm machine gun
............

[Kosh]

Where did this nonsense about installing KPVT come from? Both the photo and the video clearly show the standard 25mm 2M-3 guns.

[donavi49]

Compilation from the first batch - where the donors were warehouses of the marine guard with the 2M7 installation with KPVT.

[ZIF122]

Yes, I fully support it, there are no 14.5 but 25mm!

[cpls22]

they should be rapid-fire, the ammunition load, in theory, takes up a significant amount. There is a place on the ship, but in this box? Only suitable for machine guns. But with stability, there are obvious problems in any case.

[cast iron]

Ribbon for 65 rounds. Probably packed in separate 50-60 kg boxes, which can be conveniently placed in the back of the MTLB.

[Pavel57]

I think all readers were stunned by this design. 25mm is not bad, but there is a reticule sight. Don't shoot down drones, but scare crows.

[Nexcom]

As for being stunned - you definitely deigned to notice this.

[Kerensky]

In the basic configuration, such towers are armed with two automatic guns M-110 caliber 25 mm. But in this case, when installed on the MT-LB, the guns were replaced by two KPVT machine guns of caliber 14,5 mm,

Even worsened. The dependence of the power of the BP on the caliber is cubic.

[exo]

The product evokes sad thoughts. At the same time, such an installation height makes the car very noticeable. When such crafts appear, this is a call: something is going wrong. It's not the first call, and I'm afraid it won't be the last.

[Novichek]

. this is a call: something is going wrong. It's not the first call, and I'm afraid it won't be the last.

. What a call! Here on the forum, experienced people no longer know which bells to beat! With this oligarch-economy plus total corruption in all areas, at least shout "guard!" at the top of your lungs! , and even then to no avail, late realized

[Prokop_Pork]

Wow, guys... What a crazy retired welder's creation.

[Nexcom]

Okstites - a retired welder will not think of such a thing in a nightmare. And drunk too. There is the Soviet Engineering and Technical School.

This is clearly the creation of playful modernizers of the new wave.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The time of year is different in the photo and video. I couldn't find anything else on this topic on the net. I guess I'll wait with my opinion.

[Mordvin 3]

Well, finally, there will be something for the mobilized to fight.

[Kok_Ivanov]

The creation of whose brilliant idea is this unit? Probably straight from the Tank Biathlon (probably someone there gave birth in attempts)
As I understand it, right now, laughing at crafts at 404 in line?
The audience happily tossing their bonnets up, delighted with this, and this is a disgrace epta
PS: I had something like this at the BTSC...
Mines to shoot will come down ...
Drones are unlikely

[Knell wardenheart]

Just some kind of KV-2!
Looks really scary

[d.zacharith]

Similar pepelats in the Inhabited Island went on the attack

[rocket757]

The choice of a naval gun mount as a turret is ambiguous. However, the military in the NVO zone say that the car is suitable, but the idea is sound.

In the fields you can see what they need, but still it's some kind of ersatz!

[viktor_ui]

a rare freak at the exit turned out ... or maybe this is one of the reincarnations of the STURM robotic platform based on a motorcycle league? After all, it is all studded with technical vision, WiFi modules, hung with sensors for collecting and exchanging data ... I can’t see well in the pictures, but the 21st century is overboard
HELL THRESHING of shaggy years and it will look more killer and more decent

[YanniKounnar]

Ce "mariage" peut sembler curieux, mais comme je ne suis pas dans le "secret des Dieux" peut être at il été réalisé suite à une demande ou un retour d'expérience de ceux qui sont au front si c'est le cas le mieux et d'attendre leurs retour d'expérience avant de critiquer ou d'encenser cet équipement ? Non?
Le seul avis interior sera celui de ceux qui sont au front ...


This "marriage" may seem curious, but since I am not involved in the "mystery of the gods", it may have been made at the request or feedback from those at the front, if this is the best case, and wait for their feedback before criticizing or burn this equipment with incense? Right ?
The only interesting opinion will be from those at the front

[viktor_ui]

No, not true...
If at least this was started at the forefront of the type "hellish thresher ZSU-57-2" with a modern SLA - YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, but the fact that they disfigured the motorcycle league, YES THERE IS NO CROSS ON THEM.

[al3x]

Yes, this is definitely unparalleled. Well, the reindeer breeder rearmed the army, I’m just “proud”. 70% of new weapons in the army according to reports. And in the news reports, apart from the Grads of forty-year-olds, almost nothing is shown. I would like to believe that the nuclear shield was not laid out according to the same patterns.

[Comrade I]

I would like to believe that the nuclear shield was not laid out according to the same patterns.

By the same. There is no reason to assume that for others.

[Sergey3]

All the armies of the leading countries of the world were preparing for a modern war, and not for such a batch. The United States is now urgently reviewing its military textbooks, they were also extremely surprised that the current weapons and military strategies do not fit the hell out. Especially the consumption of high-precision munitions, it turned out that for a modern war their stocks should be more than an order of magnitude larger.

[Negro]

Quote: Sergey3

Especially the consumption of high-precision munitions, it turned out that for a modern war their stocks should be more than an order of magnitude larger.

And what is the amazing expense of the upstart in the NWO?

[Konnick]

An excellent tractor for towed guns, which, as part of the counter-battery fight, must not only be quickly moved from position to position, but also protected not only from DRGs, but also from drones. Great solution, three in one. A much more useful machine than the stupid Tigers. And he who laughs last laughs best.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I agree, at least one such machine for a battery is not bad. And still a shotgun in addition for shooting small drones.

[gromit]

These mobile anti-aircraft guns are planned to be used to shoot Ukrainian Kherani.
No one will attack them)

It's normal to make monsters like this when faced with unforeseen circumstances.
Development, design and launch in a series is not fast and expensive, but you need to shoot down drones right now.
Here, blinded from that which is a lot.
Basically, it's the norm.
The chassis is good, armor, firepower is also decent. It's a pity there is no way to see what he has with a sight and a connection.
Better than a pickup truck with a machine gun of Ukrainian geranium hunters.

[Prokop_Pork]

And where is the watchtower for the sentinel, from where will he shout into the mouthpiece, or honk the bell?

[Nexcom]

Duc Rynda then forgot to weld. Again, when driving over rough terrain - it will strum a lot, the unmasking is sound, you understand ....

PS we are waiting for a mutant with a main caliber tower from a destroyer. if the chassis is found ... the motorcycle league then obviously will not work right away.

[Sergey3]

We are preparing for a very serious and massive batch! If we add here a video of the beaches of Yevpatoria, how they are urgently preparing a line of defense along the entire coast. There is only one answer: we are preparing for a massive attack by NATO troops, Ukraine does not have so many resources. And if you look at how China began to massively reactivate its weapons with their production capabilities to rivet new ones, then the batch is being prepared for a sickly one.
And this notion with a motorcycle league is good, one must assume that there are thousands of tons of cartridges for it in warehouses!

[AdAstra]

And where are the "Tunguzki" and "Shilka", have they really sold everything, and what did they not manage to sell on metal ???

[billy bones]

For reliability, it is also necessary to put an intelligent admiral in command of this.

[Prokop_Pork]

It would have looked quite good at a parade of some 1934. Eh, Shoigu Shoigu ... I would make him drive it away at the parade now.
In the photo, the back sank a lot. It would be better if they put it on Kamaz.

[agond]

However. The 25 mm ZU 2M-3M is superior to the ZU-23-2 in any way.
firing range 2M-3 (M) 7500 m, for ZU-23-2. 2500 m
a 25mm projectile is twice as heavy as a 23mm one, and a high-raised turret is a plus, you can shoot from behind cover, and then the turret will not immediately hit a very small enemy, so we can assume that against ground targets this is the right decision.

[yriyko67]

Shta is for u..e..shche?? 2 storey ?? and where is the unparalleled in the world?? or ??? again Kuzhugetovich ...

[spektr9]

Having no analogues, they went to the parade, a week ago they already wrote about the echelon of parade boomerangs to Moscow ...

[Roman Efremov]

On March 8 parade????????????????????????????????????????7

[spektr9]

On March 8 parade????????????????????????????????????????7

Ask the commander-in-chief, maybe he will hold him at 8, he loves this business

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And what exactly does His Excellency love?

[yriyko67]

Quote: yriyko67

Where are the Tunguzkas and Shilkas? Have they really sold them all?

??? Kuzhegetovich?!?!

[yriyko67]

Quote: agond

However. The 25 mm ZU 2M-3M is superior to the ZU-23-2 in any way.
The firing range of the 2M-3(M) is 7500 m, that of the ZU-23-2. 2500 m
the projectile is twice as heavy as a 23 mm, and the high turret is a plus, you can shoot from behind cover, and then the turret is quite small

Lebedenko wheeled combat vehicle
(Tsar Tank)
Classification Wheeled combat vehicle
Combat weight, t 60 (40 in the project)
Crew, people ~15 people
History
Manufacturer Russian Empire Russian Empire
Years of development 1914 — 2023
Years of production 1915 - 2023
Years of operation 1918 -

Number of issued, pcs. xxxx pieces
Main operators Russian Empire
dimensions
Body length, mm 17800
Width, mm 12000
Height, mm 9000
Reservation
Armor type Rolled steel
Body forehead, mm/deg. 10 (7 in project)
Hull side, mm/deg. 10 (7 in project)
Hull feed, mm/deg. 10 (7 in project)
Bottom, mm 8 (5 in the project)
Housing roof, mm 8 (5 in the project)
Tower side, mm/deg. 8 (5 in project)
weaponry
Caliber and brand of gun 2 × 76,2 mm guns
Gun type caponier
Gun ammunition ~ 60 shots
Angles GN, degrees. ~180
Optical sights
Machine guns 8-10 × 7,92 mm Maxim,
8-10 thousand rounds
Mobility
Engine type: Maybach, aviation carburetor high-speed
Engine power, l. With. 2 × 240 at 2500 rpm)
Highway speed, km / h 17
Rough ground speed, km / h 10
Cruising range on the highway, km ~ 60
Cruising range over rough terrain, km ~ 40
Specific power, l. s./t 8,3 (12,5 according to the project)
Wheel formula 3 × 2
Suspension type Rigid
Climbability, degrees. ?
Wall to be overcome, m?
Ditch to be overcome, m?
Fordability, m?
The Tsar Tank is a combat vehicle developed by Nikolai Lebedenko in the Russian Empire in 1914-2023. Strictly speaking, the object was not a tank as such (in the generally accepted and well-known sense), but rather a combat vehicle. The construction and testing of the machine took place in 1915. Based on the test results, it was concluded that the object was generally unsuitable for use in combat conditions, which led to the closure of the project. The completed copy was left to rust for many years in the forests of the Moscow region.

[fa2998]

Even, about 40 years ago, it was in the Western Military District. They installed the Vulcan on the M 113 base. At least there the rate of fire was 3000 rounds per minute. Everything happened in this life.
It just raises questions: how to control such a system? Where is the locator, where is the optical-electronic system? Or shoot into the light of day.

[Sergey3]

Take a closer look at the video, the locator is there in traveling condition. The most dangerous direction will be covered for the campaign.

[dump22]

Where is the locator, where is the optical-electronic system?

They are not provided.
The AU 2M-3 is aimed by the gunner through the KMT-25 collimator ring sight.

[decimalegio]

Ruining such a beautiful MT-LB is a sin that cries out for retribution. I've never seen anything so bad

[Roman Efremov]

It will rock it when shooting with such a high “tower”!!!

[vh48905]

The ship's turret was removed directly from the boat and welded onto the MTLB. It's funny, but I'm for it. Everything we have must be sent to the front, but the solution is working. We need at least 1000 armored vehicles per month.

[Master 2030]

So maybe you yourself will fight in this miracle of the domestic automobile industry? There are still 1891 Mosinki, Berdankas and Arisakas in the warehouses there. I don't want to fight, it's called.

[mmaxx]

If there are weapons in the warehouse, then why not use them? The guns are normal. Small-caliber assault rifles are now in great demand. The way The Terminator cuts down forests is impressive. The high installation is even a plus. Stick your turret out from behind a hillock and use up your ammunition. And the installation itself is in a shelter. Does it look unusual? Yes, to hell with him. If only it worked well.

[Master 2030]

This is a good solution for someone who sits on the couch and writes stupid comments. And then they ask why our techies talk obscenities. Because they fight and work on all sorts of shmorgalki in the XNUMXst century. I don’t envy the crews of these pepelats.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Two or three years ago, agricultural drones were not loaded with 82-mm mines and cumulative anti-tank grenades. And suicide bombers from the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not roam around the forests en masse. So no sarcasm.
And the 30-mm cannon is worse due to its smaller barrel elevation angle and the lack of direct visual observation, as well as the lack of self-destructors for the ammunition. You can use it with anti-aircraft fire to hit your own when the shells land.

[fa2998]

They demonstrated where the trillions allocated for the rearmament of the army went. They waited!
There is another idea - to mount a ship's RBU on the same base - let it hang out. There is no point in rusting at the pier!

[Dante77]

This is probably the work of a saboteur. I feel sorry for the people who have to work with such equipment. Even Ukrainian SUVs look better.

[Master 2030]

I feel sorry for the people who have to work with such equipment

Jihad-Armata

[Zaurbek]

for the Army 2021-2022 there were similar vehicles with built-in ZSU-2-23mm.....Something based on either the Urals or the Tiger. The chassis is a shaft for them, Even a short Kamaz or Ural, Lawn......

[runway-1]

To be honest, there is rather ambiguous information indicating that we have certain problems with military equipment...

[runway-1]

ps Such products can be used with grief in half to protect rear areas...

[Zaurbek]

The Ural with the S-60 (57mm) installation is constantly shining on YouTube... and everyone is happy with it. There were still powerful 37mm anti-aircraft guns on the boat

[N3onMiami]

What is most striking is the hypocrisy of individual commentators.
As everyone showed off their crafts, everyone chuckled and said that they couldn’t do anything.
And when they themselves began to do exactly the same thing, they remained silent. Or vice versa, look how smart and thrifty we are.
Second Army of the World, ugh.

[AdAstra]

Me too, and how many such laughs there were before 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, and then the wooden “armor”, and now this, but it’s such a memory.

[gromit]

And if I didn’t laugh at the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ crafts and didn’t have any illusions about our army, then what should I do now?
I really didn’t think that I would have to calm down the urchins))
A year ago we were an advanced superpower, and today we are Mommies! Everything is lost! We have been betrayed! There's nothing! Everything is stolen!)

Everything is quite expected. A limited victory will be achieved, but the price will be paid for this, that for “We can repeat it!” they will hit you in the face long after the end of the SVO.

The vast majority were sincerely mistaken.

I’m not talking about the ghoul botyars who dispersed the war hysteria.
A separate regiment needs to be formed from them and sent to the bayonet station in Artyomovsk. Give regiment commander V. Solovyov a Mauser with one cartridge and a grenade.
Don't give out your uniform, let him run in his kimono.

[the same doctor]

They say that we have thirty-fours in abundance. Much better carrier than MT-LB. It’s even better to put the truck on a trailer. In Ukraine there are roads everywhere.

[Sergey3]

The spring thaw has begun in Ukraine, a motorcycle league is the best solution for this time of year, it will take place where the tank hits the tower.

[solar]

They say that we have thirty-fours in abundance.

Probably not very many, if three dozen Czechoslovakian T-34s were recently taken from Laos.

As the TASS news agency reported on January 9, 2019, three dozen T-34 tanks arrived in Russia after making a multi-mile journey by sea from Southeast Asia. The Ministry of Defense of Laos, within the framework of military-technical cooperation, transferred 30 tracked vehicles in fully operational condition to the Russian military department. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, noting that the equipment “until recently was in service with the Laotian army.”

[RED_ICE]

Poor motorcycle league. No matter how they use it ((

[digger]

I will tell you my thoughts. Many are surprised at the terrible appearance and at the same time laugh at this prodigy - the enemy will die from the horror of her appearance, but if you think carefully and analyze the situation, then this combat unit is necessary and in demand ..... but not where many people think, but in the rear and on the State The border to cover it both from low-flying drones / UAVs and from the same gangs of terrorists that broke into the country as the other day. These are ideal mobile and stationary firing points with heavy weapons whose shells are superior in performance to 23 mm shells from Shilka \ ZU-23-2 and hit further. There are not enough air defense systems to block the entire state border and spending expensive missiles on small drones and UAVs flying low The state border is also not rational, therefore, in these combat units, they combined the cover of the State border from the air from low-flying drones and UAVs and from erupted terrorist saboteurs. If such a unit was near every village in a firing position where the entire territory would be visible and shot through, then these terrorist saboteurs would have a hard time - they would be pressed to the ground at a distance or turned into minced meat ... they had only machine guns, mines and explosives ( no one takes grenade launchers and ATGMs to the rear for sabotage - there are no tanks there) these barmaley would not have a single chance.
Why exactly? Because there was a task to quickly and almost free of charge organize an air defense system to cover the State Border both from the air and to strengthen cover from the ground. At least eat 25 mm shells in the country ... and MTLB is generally a Kalashnikov assault rifle in the world of tracked vehicles - a lot and reliable. And ship installations rot idle.

[scary]

Well then, why did these modules need to be mounted on the chassis? They would be installed as stationary ones. It would be even cheaper. At worst, they simply put it on trailers if there were difficulties with adaptation to the location. It is even possible to install outriggers on trailers, primitive, mechanical ones, if you really need them very cheaply and cheerfully. It could even be semi-trailers. And the special steel plates with their special steel, although thin, should be used normally.

[mmaxx]

They put it on a chassis so that this thing can move. This is understandable. The enemy will detect a stationary one and destroy it. You can't carry it on your hands.
The Germans didn’t make a lot of self-propelled guns during the war. One is worse than the other. We were tired of fighting them.

[Master 2030]

Has no analogues. Maybe Dimon was talking about these “tanks”? Tough. The need for inventions is rich, the mind cannot understand.

[Wildcat]

We have 70% modern technology!
And this is data from three years ago!
It should be even better now!

https://youtu.be/pmATcNIAh5I?t=192

[Lis_Domino]

everything that was true was new in 2019 - it grew old in 3 years

[Fedor Rashkin]

That something like this was carried around the country a couple of years ago with ISIS inscriptions...

[Ivan F]

A very "unexpected" decision. Although if you attach good optics, a thermal imager and a night light to it, then it would work as a “thresher” in terms of manpower. But something tells me that this “newborn” will go into battle wearing nothing but diapers.

[opposite28]

Storage bases require updating the product range to more modern samples. The symbiosis of the MT-LB and a ship’s artillery mount once again confirms the versatility of the chosen chassis and the low cost of manufacturing weapons based on it. The cross-country ability of the chassis allows you to go wherever you are sent and return back as long as there is enough fuel.

[Brother]

... and what about the carts bye! like comrade Chapaev, but with artificial intelligence the same Vasily Ivanovich was not put under arms!

[dump22]

Apparently, Ukrainian drones are already so fed up that they have begun to “collectively farm” such an outwardly awkward product.

It’s very interesting how they solved the problems with stability when firing and where did they power the hydraulic guidance and reloading drives?

[garik77]

Quote: Aerodrome

21st century .. weapons based on "new physical principles". sad, Comrade Commander-in-Chief.

This is against a huge number of drones. Only what is needed here is not machine guns, but rather small-caliber cannons with explosive shells that create a swarm of fragments.

[garik77]

Quote from: dump22

Apparently, Ukrainian drones are already so fed up that they have begun to “collectively farm” such an outwardly awkward product.

If only Ukrainian ones. The West is supplying thousands of them.

[the same doctor]

Building air defense against small drones with grenades based on such an installation is stupid. A queue costs more than a drone, and the shells will hit their own people as they fly out. This technique is conditionally suitable for drones at altitudes up to 2 km and the same distance. Light drones hang at 50-100 meters in height.
Even better, such self-propelled machine guns are suitable for shelling oporniks whose defenders do not have ATGMs and KPVTs.
.
Light drones require installations based on PCM. They can be made weighing 10-15 kg and with remote control. Since there will be no people nearby, armor is not needed. If the enemy destroys such a machine gun with a rocket, then thank God. He spent the rocket, but one of our fighters remained alive.
They will have to be placed at distances of 200-300 meters from each other, but they will be cheap and numerous. They will be able to fire at ground targets, and the soldiers will not have to expose their foreheads to bullets. The development team will then, based on the experience gained, be able to automate and robotize almost any firing equipment on the battlefield.
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I don’t believe that the algorithms for controlling such devices that are obvious to me are not seen by professionals. But... nothing appeared at the front in a year, although two months is a lot for such development. the samples that appear... moronic, oaky, many hundreds of kilograms... I don’t want to discuss.
No order? The management doesn’t understand what to order, what to ask and how to evaluate? orders to the best of his understanding, and the humiliated and insulted engineers keep the fig in their pocket?
Announce a competition for a general idea with good prizes, then for individual nodes...
.
And further. A naked weapons design bureau will not make such equipment. The old people have lost their mental vivacity and they won’t allow the youth. We need a new design bureau consisting of gunsmiths, electronics engineers, programmers and specialists in manipulators. There's a pair of each creature, plus some kind of mechanical plant. After all, even if they provide ready-made machine guns, the products will have to be shipped at the rate of 10 thousand per month.
To speed things up, recruit specialists from those who already have access to weapons.

[Romanenko]

It looks like some kind of shushpanzer, somehow clumsy, especially after the report on Zvezdochka from an exhibition in Saudi Arabia

[BorzRio]

Firstly, the individual who filmed the military equipment in the parking lot with a commentary and, moreover, posted it on the network - send it to the basement for a date with the FSB. Secondly, where are those who escorted this military equipment from the military and why did they allow some passengers to walk around and film it?!

[vovochkarzhevsky]

But I’m still wondering where this centaur should be attributed, to the ground forces or the navy?
It’s probably better to go to the fleet and hand it over to Osipov as a flagship. Well, at least it won't drown.

[Nikanor1993]

If you joke like that, then you need to ask whether it walks or swims.)
The only thing is that the moto league itself is very aesthetically pleasing as an example of technology, and here they do this to it, it’s a pity, one can only hope that it will bring at least some benefit.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

But I’m still wondering where this centaur should be attributed, to the ground forces or the navy?

Below are infantry, above are sailors. And no one will be offended.

[storm]

Everything is logical, an amphibious centaur for the Marine Corps :))

[d.zacharith]

If in each tower installed on these moto-legs there is a robot Fedor, or two robots, then I take my hat off to the creators of these shushpanzers!

[JonnyT]

The best thing to do is to crush truck drivers in pickup trucks, and extinguish enemy quads as they approach.
So on lines 2-3, any technique is a great help.

[super-vitek]

Having no analogues in the world!.... There are no words... Of course I can imagine how they can be used... But Karl!!! 21st century... Laser, hypersound, Swarms of drones, AI, drones, drop-down... And mtlb with a two-meter tower 60 years ago.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Well, super-vitek, you’re right, but what’s there to waste on trifles, it’s better to immediately hit the “death star” and shoot it with a force beam ⚡️

[Valery_V]

This is the guy who goes around making videos about secret technology and why is he still at large?

[ISSIDOR]

Let it be so, rather than not, it will be useful for fighting drones.

[Valery_V]

Normal option. The crew is protected by bulletproof armor. Power and rate of fire are good. Weapons should be simple, cheap, effective and there should be a lot of them. This is just such a weapon.

[opposite28]

Oh, I wouldn’t like to hear pure Russian swearing in the middle of a quiet Ukrainian night with notes of slight hope for improving living conditions when using this device at the time of loading and unloading into the conning tower in the dark with kilograms of soil on the sole and boxes with ammunition in the hands. Even if the BC is supplied to a height through the internal compartment, the calculation of the “sparky” will still remember with paternal love and warmth the persons who came up with such a design.

[opposite28]

Beauty and nothing more. Lightly trim the steps with a file. Overall, he deserves the right to life. Budget (mobilization) version of the module "Berezhok" or "Bakhcha".

[Moneron]

motorcycle league, armed “ship-like” - from our poverty. a hastily stitched old transporter with the same old "Ostankino" turret - a guaranteed mass grave for the crew (thank God it's a small one). and everyone here on the forum knows that such a “collective farm” definitely leads to big losses. It is impossible for a homemade product to compete on an equal footing with SPECIALIZED equipment, originally tailored for a specific purpose. it’s the same as a “funny” Zhiguli car competing with a Ferrari on the track..

[cast iron]

It depends where and how these MTLBs will be used. If in the rear, they will do just fine. Maybe they are being transported for the defense of border towns? Nobody will really tell anything.

[avdkrd]

Some kind of game. What, the Zu-23s are out of stock? Some handicrafts of alternatively gifted pioneers. How bad must things be for such shushpanzers to enter the army?

[cast iron]

For some reason everyone remembers the ZU-23. And why is it better? If you attach it to the MTLB, the same thing will happen. Who cares???

[certero]

“Our troops have 70% of the latest equipment”
Was this the kind of technique you were talking about?

[aiden]

Why go to collective farms? What didn’t I like about Shilka? Is it really not on the storage bases?

[jonht]

For me, this is just the thing for fighting drones. The main thing for these cannons (machine guns) is to have a search and guidance post. This was originally the air defense of the ships.

[Tim666]

Quote from Orange Bigg

In the NVO zone, the appearance of a large number of MT-LBs with an installed ship-based anti-aircraft gun 2M-3M

As for me, it's not cool.

CNN data on UAF casualties. CNN: Ukraine's losses in the conflict with Russia amounted to more than 500 troops. CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that as of February 000, 28, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to more than half a million people.

CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that on February 28, 2023, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to:

killed, who died from wounds, diseases 259 people;

wounded, crippled 246;

deserted, as well as missing - 83;

captured - 28 393.

https://newsland.com/post/7654872-cnn-poteri-ukrainy-v-konflikte-s-rossiey-sostavili-bolee-500-0

APU lost more than half a million people - СNN

CNN, citing its sources in the Ukrainian General Staff, reports that on February 28, 2023, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to:

killed, who died from wounds, diseases - 259 people;

wounded, crippled - 246;

deserted, as well as missing - 83;

captured - 28 393.

According to the Associated Press, Ukrainian losses are four times greater.

https://podolyaka-yurij.ru/05-03-2023-srochnye-novosti-s-ukrainy-vsu-kontratakuyut-v-popytke-prorvat-okruzhenie-artemovska-bahmut-vojna-na-ukraine-segodnya-21-video/

Can I link to the source?