When it's time to change the names of prospectuses

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When it's time to change the names of prospectuses


"Reverse Decommunization"


History of events.



On January 30, in the telegram channel of the head of the administration of Melitopol, secretary of the Zaporozhye regional branch of the United Russia party, Galina Danilchenko, information appeared about the renaming of the streets of the city. One square, 30 lanes and 55 streets will get new names. The rationale is as follows:

“In 2016, as part of the so-called Ukrainian decommunization, many Melitopol streets were renamed in honor of Ukrainian Nazi ideologists, our historical They tried to erase the names.

Below is a complete list of streets to be renamed.




Source: t.me/DanilchenkoGV

Some of the names do not cause any doubt - rename, and all mentioning the figures burn and consign to oblivion.

First of all, Dmitry Dontsov, the main ideologist of Ukrainian nationalism, who proclaimed his life motto at the beginning of the last century: “Separation from Russia, dissolution of any unity with it!”.

It is proposed to rename a couple of lanes and a street named after Hetman Sahaidachny. Let the hetman himself not be listed as traitors and murderers, but the flagship of the “square” flooded in the port of Nikolaev is named after him. Sagaidachny's karma is completely ruined, so the renaming seems fair.

Likewise, Geroev Krut Street should be blotted out of history. We are talking about the clash of Ukrainian nationalists with Soviet armed groups in 1918 near the town of the same name. Although the clash was not particularly large-scale, a lot of blood was shed. According to various sources, about six hundred people were killed on both sides.

In fairness, we note that the glorification of nationalist rebels did not come to Ukraine with the Maidan - commemorative coins about the events appeared back in the 90s.

In general, there are enough toponyms in Melitopol that require serious censorship.

But some initiatives of the city administration look provocative. What did not please Galina Danilchenko Academician Paton - it was proposed to rename the street in his honor to Sergey Lazo. Who is Lazo, we still have to dig, but without Evgeny Oskarovich Paton tank army during the Great Patriotic War would have missed several thousand vehicles. Paton invented and, more importantly, organized automatic welding of tank hulls at the Ural factories. He founded an advanced scientific school of welding. In Ukraine, she was safely buried, but we still have to be grateful to the genius of Yevgeny Oskarovich. Instead of erasing names from street signs.

At the request of workers


The replacement of Generala Petrov Street with Menzhinsky Street is not unambiguous. For reference: Ivan Efimovich Petrov - the hero of the defense of Odessa in 1941, a talented commander, chief of staff of the 1st Ukrainian Front, Hero of the Soviet Union. Vyacheslav Menzhinsky - a revolutionary, the second Chairman of the OGPU of the USSR, one of the builders of the Soviet state security agencies. There are no objections to the name of Menzhinsky in Melitopol, after all, many streets and villages are named after the Chekist in the country, but why erase General Petrov Street at the same time?


Banner over Melitopol. Source: smotrim.ru

Even more fun is the replacement of Academician Korolev Street with Kuibyshev Street, Vishnevaya Street with the 40th anniversary of October, Alexander Dovzhenko Street with Karl Liebknecht. The Soviet director, winner of two Stalin and one Lenin Prize, apparently, is on a par with Bandera and other evil spirits.

The “reverse decommunization” of the streets performed by the Melitopol authorities apparently did not find a response in the hearts of the Russians, and the telegram channel “War against Fakes” hastened to declare the event false. Indeed, on the website of the administration there is not a word about the renaming of the streets of Melitopol.

But in the telegram channel of Galina Danilchenko news is also relevant:

“Dear Melitopol residents! Streets, avenues, boulevards, highways, lanes, squares and driveways in Melitopol will return their historical names.”

But even here there are errors. So, the street of the mentioned Dontsov turned into "the name of Pavel Sudoplatov." We have nothing against Pavel Anatolyevich, but the street was never named after him - it was Profintern. If the historical names of the streets are returned to Melitopol, then not to everyone.

A thoughtless return to the historical names of city streets can be costly. In Ukraine, they immediately screamed about the return of the Soviet Union. Once again, our mistakes pour water on the mill of enemy propaganda.

"With Russian weapons the hateful Soviet past will come to Ukrainian cities, look, they are already renaming the streets in honor of their executioners!”

- something like this is now being distributed in nationalist publics.

Sovietization in the worst sense of the word has become a horror story for Ukrainians. However, in Russian publics something similar is sometimes found. They will also wait for accusations of theomachism - in Danilchenko's news, the Cathedral Square is proposed to be renamed the Revolution Square.

Russian media have been exaggerating Ukrainian historical cannibalism for years - the Kyiv regime is demolishing the monument, erasing the names of streets and avenues, canceling Russian culture and language. And then a list of 55 streets, 30 lanes and one square pops up at once, which are planned under the knife. Even if this is a fake, it is still published on the official page of the head of the administration of Melitopol.

The abolition of the decommunist hysteria of the Kyiv regime is an important aspect of the integration of the new territories of Russia. Only to approach it should be much thinner and more responsible. Does it make sense to return the names of Rosa Luxemburg, Thalmann, Karl Liebknecht and other martyrs of communism? Are there not enough Heroes among us who deserve to be immortalized in the names not of streets, but of central avenues? Paratroopers, marines, tankers, gunners, pilots, motorized riflemen - there are enough names and surnames for more than one Melitopol.

The very process of renaming the streets of the city clearly indicates the seriousness of Russia's intentions. However, much more serious - four regions are included in the Federation. The new street names are somewhat similar to the symbolic "Russia is here forever." Only now the special operation has not ended, many cities have been destroyed, and the nationalists do not spare either strangers or their own.

Peaceful life should come not with the "correct" names of streets and avenues, but with the solution of the urgent problems of citizens. The time for slogans has passed, now there is only hard and painstaking work.

And after the Victory, you can rename the prospectuses.
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  1. +1
    3 February 2023 04: 51
    I still don't get the point of the article. In Melitopol, they REALLY gathered to rename the names of streets to Menzhinsky, R. Luxemburg and others, or is it still a fake?
    1. +8
      3 February 2023 05: 49
      Quote: Amateur
      I still don't get the point of the article. In Melitopol, they REALLY gathered to rename the names of streets to Menzhinsky, R. Luxemburg and others, or is it still a fake?

      Not "rename", but return to the pre-Nazi state. And after the defeat of the Ukronats, you can even bother with pre-revolutionary names, ".. then, if you want."
      1. +2
        3 February 2023 21: 56
        Offer to jump over the abyss in two steps. In St. Petersburg, many streets received their historical (until 1917) names, only they approached this carefully and accurately, a special toponymic commission worked, there was no indiscriminate renaming, in particular, 10 Soviet streets did not become Christmas. "Let's not hurry," as Comrade Saakhov said.
    2. +4
      3 February 2023 06: 07
      Quote: Amateur
      In Melitopol, they REALLY gathered to rename the names of streets to Menzhinsky, R. Luxemburg and others, or is it still a fake?

      Most likely make doo fool pray to God, so he will hurt his forehead. Or ideological sabotage, But there are no others. Come again disappointed, now in us.
      In the 2004 presidential election, she voted for Viktor Yushchenko, but was disappointed with his rule. In 2014, she voted for Petro Poroshenko, but in 2017 she called him the worst president and said she regretted voting for him[
      1. -3
        3 February 2023 09: 40
        There are no other problems now ... it remains only to rename the streets ...
    3. +8
      3 February 2023 12: 37
      In Ukraine, they immediately screamed about the return of the Soviet Union.

      And what actually confuses the author of the article? Enemies yelled - good. And adequate Ukrainians remember the USSR with its friendship of peoples with nostalgia.
      Once again, our mistakes pour water on the mill of enemy propaganda.

      it would be a mistake to leave the renamed ykr. mode. Therefore, Revolution Square rules forever!
      1. +1
        3 February 2023 16: 03
        Quote: MBRBS
        In Ukraine, they immediately screamed about the return of the Soviet Union.

        And what actually confuses the author of the article? Enemies yelled - good. And adequate Ukrainians remember the USSR with its friendship of peoples with nostalgia.
        Once again, our mistakes pour water on the mill of enemy propaganda.

        it would be a mistake to leave the renamed ykr. mode. Therefore, Revolution Square rules forever!

        But the clergy from the Russian Orthodox Church want the square to be Cathedral.
        They revolution like a Faberge sickle.
        They agreed to the point that returning Soviet names is against Putin, violates the goals of the NWO ... although where they saw the word "de-Sovietization" is not clear.
        There is demilitarization and denazification, but there is no de-Sovietization. Glitches are probably painful.
        We agreed that our soldiers should not fight under the red Banner of Victory, since it is Soviet.
        1. -1
          3 February 2023 16: 40
          Something I have not heard about the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church was outraged by the red banner.
          In general, according to the article, it is necessary to rename, but only where necessary
          1. 0
            3 February 2023 18: 01
            Quote: igorbrsv
            Something I have not heard about the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church was outraged by the red banner.
            In general, according to the article, it is necessary to rename, but only where necessary

            You can watch the story on the channel "Spas" for yourself. Somewhere at eight in the evening yesterday was .. I'm not saying that the ROC is against it, I was talking about churchmen, participants in the program.
        2. 0
          4 February 2023 11: 02
          A referendum needs to be held. Cathedral or Revolution. Let people say how they feel more comfortable
    4. 0
      5 February 2023 14: 21
      Quote: Amateur
      I still don't get the point of the article. In Melitopol, they REALLY gathered to rename the names of streets to Menzhinsky, R. Luxemburg and others, or is it still a fake?

      The point is not Menzhinsky and R. Luxembourg, the point is that Mrs. Danilchenko decided to return the SOVIET names. And there, as you understand, there were named names.
      She did this with the aim of quickly abandoning the "independent" past of Melitopol. And I didn't think about the fact that not all "nominees" for street names would be "consonant" with the modern citizen.
  2. 0
    3 February 2023 05: 05
    And after the Victory, you can rename the prospectuses.
    Those. will not rename?
    1. +3
      3 February 2023 16: 43
      Anyway, there will be something. I don't want to call the streets Bandera's heroes. Cut hearing. If only on such a street the museum could organize a jail for prisoners of war and leave the houses broken. To remember
  3. +5
    3 February 2023 05: 45
    Yes, leave it for now - there are no other things to do, chtol? If the residents themselves take the initiative, consider it at the level of the city administration.
    In general, it reminds me of the hysteria of the 80s-90s ... How did I get sick of these renaming then. And for what? What the hell does a subway station have to do with Kitay-gorod? Yes, and Nogin's head remained there, the station was built in the USSR ... Only they scored hemorrhoids - and now they are going to rename Volgograd again.
    1. -2
      3 February 2023 06: 48
      No. It seems that they have already changed their minds about renaming? ...
  4. +3
    3 February 2023 05: 46
    Pre-revolutionary historical names could be left. In general, the leaders of the CPSU (b) and the heroes of the Civil War have already been forgotten, and their names on the tablets will not say anything positive to anyone, and only if you laugh at revolutionary romanticism like "profintern". But Bandera and Nazi names must be removed, and the sooner the better. And no Ukraine in the names, neither pure nor independent, to be replaced by Little Russia and / or Novorossia.
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 16: 47
      Well, somewhere it is necessary to leave about Ukraine. Can't be erased at all.
      1. 0
        4 February 2023 02: 31
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Well, somewhere it is necessary to leave about Ukraine. Can't be erased at all.

        Well, my friend, we removed the tumor for you, but left it a little, you can’t completely remove it, otherwise you will live well and calmly for some time, and then again it’s boring but not for long)
  5. +1
    3 February 2023 06: 04
    It's like a wedding in Malinovka.
    In Ukraine, the change of power is rooted, due to the fact that Western Ukraine was annexed to them. Because of this, there was constant discord. And now the war is going on because of Bandera
    Maidan in the person of Bandera seized power in Ukraine. And they decided to rewrite everything for themselves. A civil war ensued. And then they blame Russia for everything.
    Western Ukraine did not work, often liked to snap that they lived poorly there. That Yanukovych was to blame for all of them. The Ukrainians themselves who came to Russia said that well, less money, but life is about the same.
    They aspired to Europe, but what Europe is doing is simply buying up all the property and land for its factories. Part was for the independence of Ukraine, the second part was sold to Europe.
    I highly doubt that someone in Europe needs them there, most Ukrainians are Greyhounds, arrogant. I saw who comes here and who for example I think will go to Europe. Most Europeans are against any migration, there is little work, especially Italy, Spain
    It is best if Ukraine loses now and owes nothing to anyone.
    One thing is not clear for what all these sacrifices will be.
    Arzebaijan attacked Armenia, is it about the same that they are captured and the Armenians are forced to speak Azerbaijani?
    In Ukraine, the Russian church was banned, historical monuments are being demolished, the streets are being changed to look like Bandera heroes. It's all disgusting to people. The Ukrainian language is a bit mixed.
    Well, for example, Cat in Ukrainian KIT
    By the way, a pig in Ukrainian Lloha
    1. -2
      3 February 2023 11: 06
      Quote from Alexwar
      It's like a wedding in Malinovka.
      In Ukraine, the change of power is rooted, due to the fact that Western Ukraine was annexed to them. Because of this, there was constant discord. And now the war is going on because of Bandera
      Maidan in the person of Bandera seized power in Ukraine. And they decided to rewrite everything for themselves. A civil war ensued. And then they blame Russia for everything.
      Western Ukraine did not work, often liked to snap that they lived poorly there. That Yanukovych was to blame for all of them. The Ukrainians themselves who came to Russia said that well, less money, but life is about the same.
      They aspired to Europe, but what Europe is doing is simply buying up all the property and land for its factories. Part was for the independence of Ukraine, the second part was sold to Europe.
      I highly doubt that someone in Europe needs them there, most Ukrainians are Greyhounds, arrogant. I saw who comes here and who for example I think will go to Europe. Most Europeans are against any migration, there is little work, especially Italy, Spain
      It is best if Ukraine loses now and owes nothing to anyone.
      One thing is not clear for what all these sacrifices will be.
      Arzebaijan attacked Armenia, is it about the same that they are captured and the Armenians are forced to speak Azerbaijani?
      In Ukraine, the Russian church was banned, historical monuments are being demolished, the streets are being changed to look like Bandera heroes. It's all disgusting to people. The Ukrainian language is a bit mixed.
      Well, for example, Cat in Ukrainian KIT
      By the way, a pig in Ukrainian Lloha

      In general, I agree. But not everything is so simple with Azerbaijan.
      As a result of the war of 93, Armenia occupied six regions of Azerbaijan.
      The UN Security Council resolution decided that Armenia is obliged to return these regions.
      For a long time there were negotiations in the PM in the Minsk Group. Armenia did not agree to return, apparently decided that these areas belong to them forever.
      In the end, in Minsk, Pashinin signed the obligations and agreed to return.
      And he immediately refused, telling Putin that the people of Armenia would not understand him.
      And only then, with the support of Turkey, Azerbaijan itself returned these territories.
      The war was on the territory of Azerbaijan and not a single Azerbaijani soldier entered the territory of Armenia.
      This is to the requirements of Pashinin that Russia and the CSTO entered the war on the side of Armenia.
  6. 0
    3 February 2023 06: 28
    If you translate Lyokha in Ukrainian, like Lech, this is a pig, and apparently Aleksei initially went on behalf of Lyokha
    If they call you Lyokha and this is a Ukrainian, he meant you. And say that the Ukrainian language is not funny
    LYO IS LYO + HA
    KHERSON where did the name come from?


    1. 0
      3 February 2023 06: 39
      Quote from Alexwar
      And say that the Ukrainian language is not funny

      So this is a type of praise - real, they say ...
  7. +7
    3 February 2023 06: 38
    There is no doubt that it is simply necessary and urgent to get rid of street names in honor of Ukrainian nationalists and outright Nazis. But with the rest of the street names, you can really wait until complete victory, and then conduct a survey among the residents, presenting them with possible options. But let the people of Melitopol decide this already, because. them to live on these streets.
    1. +3
      3 February 2023 10: 54
      Quote: rotmistr60
      There is no doubt that it is simply necessary and urgent to get rid of street names in honor of Ukrainian nationalists and outright Nazis. But with the rest of the street names, you can really wait until complete victory, and then conduct a survey among the residents, presenting them with possible options. But let the people of Melitopol decide this already, because. them to live on these streets.

      Here I am about it. Remove Bandera names, and then let the residents decide.
      1. +3
        3 February 2023 12: 55
        Let the residents decide.

        I'm not sure what the residents decide. And I doubt that 70% in Volgograd against Stalingrad. Survey data, we're told.
        Therefore, it is better to cancel all Ukrainian renaming, and then let the residents decide.
        1. 0
          3 February 2023 15: 54
          Quote: MBRBS
          Let the residents decide.

          I'm not sure what the residents decide. And I doubt that 70% in Volgograd against Stalingrad. Survey data, we're told.
          Therefore, it is better to cancel all Ukrainian renaming, and then let the residents decide.

          Well, that's what I'm talking about. There is no disagreement.
  8. +2
    3 February 2023 06: 49
    Well, you will like it if the government changes and they tell you now you will speak a different language.
    Their policy towards the indigenous peoples led to war. Half of the country spoke Russian and continues to speak
  9. +5
    3 February 2023 06: 51
    In my opinion, everything is easier. At first it was decided that all the streets in the new territories are brought to their original state. Everyone cheerfully agreed. When in the process it turned out "suddenly" that there was Rosa Luxembug and other historical characters, then the hype began.
    In fact, first you need to bring everything back to its original state, and then, by voting, establish those names that people want to see on their house plate and in the registration stamp.
    And the essence of this hype lies deeper. Since the liberals are not going to leave the administration anywhere, and now there is again the question of whether to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad (and not only, the discussion is much wider), then in the media they give you an example, they say the old Russian Bakhmut will again become Artemovsky, although initially here he is exactly that Bakhmut. And it seems like Ukrainization was not negative everywhere, and sometimes it even turns out to be "nothing like that." And then let's rename some village back in Russia into the town "Bezbozhnik" (it used to be like that).
    The topic with names has many hidden layers and meanings. But in itself, the hype on it was raised precisely from the liberal platform. This must be kept in mind.
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 10: 52
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      In my opinion, everything is easier. At first it was decided that all the streets in the new territories are brought to their original state. Everyone cheerfully agreed. When in the process it turned out "suddenly" that there was Rosa Luxembug and other historical characters, then the hype began.
      In fact, first you need to bring everything back to its original state, and then, by voting, establish those names that people want to see on their house plate and in the registration stamp.
      And the essence of this hype lies deeper. Since the liberals are not going to leave the administration anywhere, and now there is again the question of whether to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad (and not only, the discussion is much wider), then in the media they give you an example, they say the old Russian Bakhmut will again become Artemovsky, although initially here he is exactly that Bakhmut. And it seems like Ukrainization was not negative everywhere, and sometimes it even turns out to be "nothing like that." And then let's rename some village back in Russia into the town "Bezbozhnik" (it used to be like that).
      The topic with names has many hidden layers and meanings. But in itself, the hype on it was raised precisely from the liberal platform. This must be kept in mind.

      That's right, and liberalism in terms of anti-Sovietism, closely merges with Bandera and Vlasov.
      1. -2
        3 February 2023 11: 54
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        In my opinion, everything is easier. At first it was decided that all the streets in the new territories are brought to their original state. Everyone cheerfully agreed. When in the process it turned out "suddenly" that there was Rosa Luxembug and other historical characters, then the hype began.
        In fact, first you need to bring everything back to its original state, and then, by voting, establish those names that people want to see on their house plate and in the registration stamp.
        And the essence of this hype lies deeper. Since the liberals are not going to leave the administration anywhere, and now there is again the question of whether to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad (and not only, the discussion is much wider), then in the media they give you an example, they say the old Russian Bakhmut will again become Artemovsky, although initially here he is exactly that Bakhmut. And it seems like Ukrainization was not negative everywhere, and sometimes it even turns out to be "nothing like that." And then let's rename some village back in Russia into the town "Bezbozhnik" (it used to be like that).
        The topic with names has many hidden layers and meanings. But in itself, the hype on it was raised precisely from the liberal platform. This must be kept in mind.

        That's right, and liberalism in terms of anti-Sovietism, closely merges with Bandera and Vlasov.

        Minus tail, aren't you tired of running after me? What a funny and wretched cisco you are, you will never forget how I put you in a puddle. Well, run, run. I'm glad the cissos hate me, so I punched them in the face. lol
    2. +2
      3 February 2023 11: 41
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      But in itself, the hype on it was raised precisely from the liberal platform. This must be kept in mind.

      Panically afraid of Soviet names. And the history must first be learned, and then the streets should be renamed. For now, there are other things to do. Construction, schools, hospitals ... so it's well, uh, it's a long time, and they'll even ask the administration. Atak - "Where is your work for the benefit of the city? - And here! The names of the streets were returned"
  10. +9
    3 February 2023 07: 25
    Telman did not please? Helped in the fight against fascism, died in a concentration camp. Today, the Russian Federation does not have such assistants.
    1. +5
      3 February 2023 08: 35
      The enemies of the USSR who captured the USSR have a mental denial of everything Soviet, it doesn’t matter to them whether it’s bad or good, they are stupidly, thoughtlessly, AGAINST. And in order to be AGAINST the Soviet, they are always ready to be FOR anything and anyone, and they don’t care if it’s bad or good. And only with this they caused great harm to the republics of the USSR they captured.
      1. +4
        3 February 2023 08: 45
        that's right, liberosnya rules for many, as the Horse showed an Israeli passport in his pocket))) but does the mother of the horse really not have such a))? the word Stalingrad causes cramps on our elitka and rightly so
        1. 0
          3 February 2023 17: 54
          Quote from Mazunga
          that's right, liberosnya rules for many, as the Horse showed an Israeli passport in his pocket))) but does the mother of the horse really not have such a))? the word Stalingrad causes cramps on our elitka and rightly so

          The mother of the horse probably has an Israeli passport.
          But she, as "Caesar's wife," is beyond suspicion.
      2. +3
        3 February 2023 10: 48
        Quote: tatra
        The enemies of the USSR who captured the USSR have a mental denial of everything Soviet, it doesn’t matter to them whether it’s bad or good, they are stupidly, thoughtlessly, AGAINST. And in order to be AGAINST the Soviet, they are always ready to be FOR anything and anyone, and they don’t care if it’s bad or good. And only with this they caused great harm to the republics of the USSR they captured.

        And in this denial of the Soviet, they are at the same time with Bandera and Vlasov.
        And by the way, according to the Constitution, the Russian Federation is the successor of the SOVIET state.
  11. +1
    3 February 2023 07: 35
    In the army, the main thing is order in the bedside table and beautifully tucked blankets on the bunks.
    Street names in the city. In the country, the Constitution lies on a shelf and the tsarist boyars are sitting in the Duma thinking ..... COOL!
    Everything is simple with a needle .......
  12. +12
    3 February 2023 07: 41
    The example of Melitopol once again shows Jesuitism under the slogan of "reconciliation". As part of this very "reconciliation", films about Kolchak can be made, the relics of white generals can be returned, but no films about red heroes are being made at the same time. And the "conciliators" find hundreds of reasons why Soviet names should not be returned.
    1. -3
      3 February 2023 08: 47
      so the contra is in power))) they slipped at one time and it was convenient not to notice the privileges for members of the city committees of the district committees and then the habit grew into a character and I wanted to eat a French bun and get serfs for myself
      1. +4
        3 February 2023 09: 35
        Who are the secretaries of the city committees and even the Central Committee now with serfs and oil wells? There are no such. Even among the Komsomol workers there is no one to name. The secretary of the Moscow City Committee, Grishin, died in line at the district clinic; friends chipped in for the funeral of Shcherbitsky, the First Secretary of the Central Committee of Ukraine. There were only two exceptions: Gorbachev and Yeltsin. But for their special merits in surrendering the territories from which the Russian Federation is now attacking, such concessions were made.
    2. -6
      3 February 2023 09: 56
      Hmm... About red heroes? And can you find out who it is? It’s clear with the whites, there were no heroes there ... :⁠,⁠-⁠) Almost the entire officer corps fell on the fronts of the First World War, while the forerunners of the red heroes were drinking beer over the hill. And digging into the documents of the biographies of these red heroes (at least the same Lazo) takes such horror. Personally, I am for the historical names of streets and avenues. Let Volgograd be Tsaritsyn, although I won't object to Stalingrad either. Never liked the name Volgograd. It is faceless.
      1. +5
        3 February 2023 11: 02
        Have you tried to dig into the biography of the same Kolchak? The Reds at that time kept the country united, when the entire white movement was supported by the "partners". Very good films about the same Dzerzhinsky can be made on this topic.
      2. +6
        3 February 2023 11: 49
        Quote: Alexander Kuksin
        Let Volgograd be Tsaritsyn, although I will not object to Stalingrad

        You may not know that during the years of the Civil War there was sabotage of the delivery of bread to Tsaritsyn. And Trotsky's friends and relatives did it. Then they sent I.V. Stalin to understand. And he figured it out, practically saved Tsaritsyn from starvation. Gave "on the hands of Trotsky's relatives." (Isn't that where their enmity came from?) And after that, the inhabitants of Tsaritsyn offered to rename their city to Stalingrad. Historians do not like to recall this fact, but "among themselves, in the corridor" .... I will find a link to the article - I will post it (if there is light))))
        1. -2
          3 February 2023 17: 04
          Where is your light going? Are you in Donbas? belay
        2. +1
          3 February 2023 21: 59
          Not quite what I promised, but also a good article on this topic
          https://v1.ru/text/culture/2019/11/10/66301870/
      3. +2
        3 February 2023 18: 46
        Dear daughters of officers who do not know the biography of Sergei Lazo, and, delving into the post-perestroika "versions" of his biography, find reasons for fainting! How old are you? What patterns did you cut yourself in as a child? Who was your ideal?
  13. +9
    3 February 2023 08: 08
    Here I am an ordinary mobile, I am now in the Zaporozhye region. and was very surprised at first, then, passing through cities and towns, I saw signs and quite often, Lenin Street, Peremoga (Victory), Zhukov Street, etc. Passing through Melitopol, I remember only from everything that Lomonosov saw, but I was driving on a beter, I did not have time to see much.
    1. -1
      3 February 2023 08: 40
      And this SVO provoked a sharp increase in both anti-Sovietism and Russophobia, both in relation to the Russian Federation and its people, and in relation to the great people of the Russian Empire.
    2. +4
      3 February 2023 08: 51
      good luck to you brother come back home alive and with victory Dios anda con los bravos
  14. 0
    3 February 2023 08: 27
    at one time, he lived on Voikov Street .. I read it - who it is .. I still don’t understand why - in almost every locality - there is his street named after him - a person, very ambiguous .. okay, let it all be rumors, but what did he do that was so great? streets of the same Myasnikov, Narimanov, Sklyansky, Mogilevsky, Mikoyan and many others - I didn’t see them en masse ..
    1. -2
      3 February 2023 17: 07
      You didn't look there. We don't know Voikov. The rest we have in our city
  15. +1
    3 February 2023 08: 50
    Below is a complete list of streets to be renamed.
    Well done Melitopol! ED on sopatka, on sopatka!
    The communists have always been in the forefront, and the edros sit behind their backs without party members and criminals. But they want to rule and establish their own concepts. Not laws, but concepts! Because they carry out their own laws selectively - everywhere! This is what Democracy is. But such a democracy, Putin's power, does not suit!
    1. -1
      3 February 2023 17: 10
      What kind of democracy does not suit Putin? Only the western does not suit him. He didn't say anything more. I don’t care about edros, but I don’t understand Putin
  16. +4
    3 February 2023 08: 53
    Most likely they are returning pre-perestroika names, but I could be wrong.
    And the whole hysteria is absolutely understandable - no one has canceled de-Sovietization and decommunization in our Empire.
  17. +3
    3 February 2023 09: 30
    "Time to change names!
    It's time to change!"
  18. 0
    3 February 2023 09: 50
    The matter is very delicate, it is necessary to approach it wisely, call the historians.
  19. +2
    3 February 2023 10: 40
    In my opinion, what business do we like something in Melitopol or not.
    The residents of the city should decide, not us.
    But the fact that such a decision of the authorities of Melitopol (if any) became the basis for a hysterical anti-Soviet coven not only in Nazi-Bandera Ukraine, but also here in Russia.
    For example, what I saw yesterday on the channel "Spas" where the clergy merged in complete ecstasy with Bandera on the basis of anti-Sovietism. And what I wrote about yesterday on the topic of Stalingrad.
    By the way, Telman is a martyr of fascism, not communism. The Nazis tortured him.
    Why did he not suit the author if we are fighting fascism.
    With which I agree that there is no need to rush in this matter, except for the change of absolutely odious Bandera names.
  20. +2
    3 February 2023 10: 41
    It is important for us to monitor such initiatives. This kind of sword of oblivion hangs over the Soviet streets, and there are as many as 9 of them in St. Petersburg-Leningrad. The recently erected monument to the carriage on the 1st Sovetskaya st. (purely my opinion) rather rudely alludes to one of the former names - Karetnaya st.
    An ideological question (a question of time) - will Soviet streets remain, or will there be Rozhdestvensky and Karetny ...
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 13: 04
      I have nothing against the carriage street, but the former name can be given to another street. Not all the same Mannerheim avenues to rivet.
  21. -1
    3 February 2023 12: 24
    A little off topic, but why are submarine missile cruisers named after little-known Moscow, Kyiv and other princes in the world? In order for this military equipment to terrify the enemy, wouldn't it be better to give it more famous names:
    Joseph Stalin - everyone understands
    Nikita Khrushchev - a reminder of the Caribbean crisis, missiles in Cuba, "Kuzkina's mother" in 58 Mtn
    Leonid Brezhnev - achieving nuclear parity with the United States, the most powerful army in the world, the war in Afghanistan. At the same time, a peacemaker.
    I think the sailors would be more proud, serving on such missile carriers, and not, for example, the Monomakh.
    1. 0
      3 February 2023 12: 39
      Quote: MBRBS
      why are submarine missile cruisers named after little-known Moscow, Kyiv and other princes in the world?

      Very fast. What if it breaks? What if it drowns? And if they start stealing rivets on it? In short, we will agree with the princes. They fought among themselves. )))
    2. -2
      3 February 2023 15: 48
      Quote: MBRBS
      A little off topic, but why are submarine missile cruisers named after little-known Moscow, Kyiv and other princes in the world? In order for this military equipment to terrify the enemy, wouldn't it be better to give it more famous names:
      Joseph Stalin - everyone understands
      Nikita Khrushchev - a reminder of the Caribbean crisis, missiles in Cuba, "Kuzkina's mother" in 58 Mtn
      Leonid Brezhnev - achieving nuclear parity with the United States, the most powerful army in the world, the war in Afghanistan. At the same time, a peacemaker.
      I think the sailors would be more proud, serving on such missile carriers, and not, for example, the Monomakh.

      Here Khrushchev was still not enough.
      Dear, there is such a thing - naval traditions.
      There are sailors in VO, they will confirm.
      So, in the traditions of the fleet, to give new ships the names that other ships previously bore. Decommissioned or dead.
      For example, the name "Varyag", a glorious name, is already the third ship.
      The name "Slava" was worn by the battleship of the Russian fleet of the Borodino project. He distinguished himself at Moonsund.
      After there were several more ships with this name.
      With regards to "Vladimir Monomakh", this was the name of the cruiser that died at Tsushima, but did not lower the flag. As well as the "Dmitry Donskoy" of the same type with him.
      Although the Japanese more modern and powerful armored cruisers simply shot our ships from a safe distance.
      These names were given to our submarines.
      Now it is clear where these names come from.
      I hope you don't want to deprive our sailors of their traditions.
      1. 0
        4 February 2023 12: 27
        Naval onomastics is a very serious topic for the Navy around the world: ship names reflect traditions, military line, and naval policy.
        A case in point is the Royal Navy, where ship names have been repeated for centuries; for example, the aircraft carrier PRINCE OF WALES is the seventh ship to bear this name, since the ship of the third rank launched in 1765. The same can be said about the US Navy. Navy, the next ENTERPRISE aircraft carrier will be the eighth to bear this name, starting with the GEORGE III, captured during the American Revolution by the British in 1775 (we should add the first space shuttle and starships of the Star Trek series, where, by the way, we also have USS Gagarin (NCC-97930). laughing It works the same way in the Italian Navy. I don’t remember how many ships bore the name of Giuseppe Garibaldi. Any sailor can’t argue with this about naval traditions. laughing
  22. +1
    3 February 2023 13: 02
    And we have there in St. Petersburg by chance nowhere already the streets of Mannerheim, well, or some other ghoul.?
  23. +1
    3 February 2023 13: 38
    let them scream about the return of the Soviet Union, let them be afraid! This is not a reproach to us, but joy and praise.
    But changing the names of the streets should still take into account the opinions of local residents. No ideology is worth the inconvenience and extra expense.
    1. +4
      3 February 2023 13: 55
      Who asked the locals in the era of "market and democracy"! After Peskov's statement yesterday that they would not rename Volgograd to Stalingrad, since the VTsIOM opinion poll shows a lack of support from the townspeople, there are questions from Volgograd residents: Where was this poll conducted?
  24. +1
    3 February 2023 13: 50
    "... Rename cannot be left..." History will put a comma.
  25. +2
    3 February 2023 14: 04
    God bless him with Melitopol and Menzhinsky. I want Lubyanka Square back to Dzerzhinsky Square and that the monument would be returned.
    1. +2
      3 February 2023 14: 21
      By the way, they renamed it without any "opinion polls". And in order not to return Dzerzhinsky, they pushed him head-on with Alexander Nevsky.
      1. +1
        3 February 2023 15: 34
        Quote: Boris Sergeev
        By the way, they renamed it without any "opinion polls". And in order not to return Dzerzhinsky, they pushed him head-on with Alexander Nevsky.

        Exactly, and when the Dzerzhinsky poll began to win, they quickly covered it up.
        This is despite the fact that the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished absolutely illegally.
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    1. 0
      3 February 2023 14: 51
      Something grandmother near Kharkov did not meet the troops with banners, but with the Red Banner. Those like you are not much different from Bandera. You pour water on their mill.
      1. -4
        3 February 2023 14: 58
        I beg you, your Soviet terrorists, Russophobes who hate everything Russian and the Russian people, could only give birth to their own kind of ukronatsiks! Under the Tsar, Ukronazism was burned out with a red-hot iron, but your wonderful regime has been cultivating it for decades, and now it, in all its glory of Russophobia, has hatched on our heads!
        1. +2
          3 February 2023 15: 06
          You don't need to speak your mind! Under the tsar, Ukrainianism appeared. And Ukraine began to separate under the Provisional Government. Kyiv was then taken by the Bolsheviks. What the current lovers of "good will" have not yet succeeded in doing.
          1. -2
            3 February 2023 15: 13
            Raise the documents when the word "Ukraine" was invented. Before the revolution, Little Russia was no Ukraine and did not smell, all attempts to create it by the Polish lords were suppressed! And on whose bayonets did these temporary workers come during the coup in the middle of the war behind the back of the army?
            1. +2
              3 February 2023 15: 19
              They raised it already: “In 1906, the historian and one of the leaders of the Ukrainian national movement, Mikhail Grushevsky, published in St. people", where the main goal of Ukrainianism was determined by the historical necessity of equalizing the rights of the Ukrainian people with the Great Russian. In 7, Grushevsky published an article in the newly opened Moscow literary magazine "Ukrainian Life" entitled "Ukraine and Ukrainianism"[1912], in which he spoke with harsh criticism of those representatives of "Ukrainianism" who consider the "Ukrainian tribe" incapable of an independent state life[8].

              In 1912, the Russian state official and doctor Sergei Shchegolev published in Kyiv a voluminous work “The Ukrainian Movement as a Modern Stage of South Russian Separatism”[10], and in 1914 a special work devoted to the analysis of the phenomenon of Ukrainianism: “Modern Ukrainianism. Its Origin, Growth and Tasks”[11], where Ukrainianism was seen as a separatist political movement. In 1917, the bibliographer Volodymyr Doroshenko published the work “Ukrainianism in Russia. Modern times” (Ukrainian. “Ukraine in Russia. New hours”)[12], in which he outlined his view on the prehistory of the formation of Ukrainianism and concluded that conscious Ukrainianism (Ukrainian, Svidome Ukrainianism) was formed in Russia in the late 1890s ."
              1. +1
                3 February 2023 15: 26
                Quote: Boris Sergeev
                They raised it already: “In 1906, the historian and one of the leaders of the Ukrainian national movement, Mikhail Grushevsky, published in St. people", where the main goal of Ukrainianism was determined by the historical necessity of equalizing the rights of the Ukrainian people with the Great Russian. In 7, Grushevsky published an article in the newly opened Moscow literary magazine "Ukrainian Life" entitled "Ukraine and Ukrainianism"[1912], in which he spoke with harsh criticism of those representatives of "Ukrainianism" who consider the "Ukrainian tribe" incapable of an independent state life[8].

                In 1912, the Russian state official and doctor Sergei Shchegolev published in Kyiv a voluminous work “The Ukrainian Movement as a Modern Stage of South Russian Separatism”[10], and in 1914 a special work devoted to the analysis of the phenomenon of Ukrainianism: “Modern Ukrainianism. Its Origin, Growth and Tasks”[11], where Ukrainianism was seen as a separatist political movement. In 1917, the bibliographer Volodymyr Doroshenko published the work “Ukrainianism in Russia. Modern times” (Ukrainian. “Ukraine in Russia. New hours”)[12], in which he outlined his view on the prehistory of the formation of Ukrainianism and concluded that conscious Ukrainianism (Ukrainian, Svidome Ukrainianism) was formed in Russia in the late 1890s ."

                It's easier to blame everything on the Bolsheviks.
              2. -4
                3 February 2023 15: 26
                On December 11, 1914, Grushevsky was arrested in Kyiv on charges of Austrophilia and involvement in the creation of the Legion of Ukrainian Sich Riflemen. Did the Soviet government imprison a lot of Ukronatsiks?
                1. +1
                  3 February 2023 15: 38
                  Quite a lot, no one fought Bandera more effectively than Stalin. And films about this were shot "We must not forget about this", "Until the last minute". Nothing of the kind has yet been created.
            2. +2
              3 February 2023 15: 25
              As for the "temporary workers who came on bayonets", these were the bayonets of the reserve regiments, who were not willing to calm down in the 500 thousand garrison of St. Petersburg. By the way, the leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church very violently welcomed the February coup, by March 1917 they began to commemorate temporary workers instead of the royal family in prayers.
              1. -3
                3 February 2023 15: 36
                The Church always prays for the existing government if it is not theomachy. Lenin is anathematized by the patriarch by the church. I'm tired of the argument. Communists, Germans, Swedes, Ukronats, Mongols, there was a lot of rubbish in Russian history, where are they ??? Someone got horns at one time, the rest have sunk into oblivion where they belong.
                1. +2
                  3 February 2023 15: 58
                  The Church always serves the current government. In Ukraine, for example. Under Stalin, the patriarchy was restored, and none of Stalin's saints anathematized. Quite the opposite. The ranks of the Russian Orthodox Church surrendered the Tsar in just a week. "On March 5, the proclamation of many years to the reigning house was canceled, on March 6, the Synod decided to serve a prayer service for the new government, after which a prayer for the" faithful Provisional Government was also established. On March 9, the Synod issued an appeal to support the Provisional Government. The appeal said: " The will of God has been done. Russia has embarked on the path of a new state life. May the Lord bless our great Motherland with happiness and glory on its new path. ... The Provisional Government took over the administration of the country at a difficult historical moment. ... For the sake of the millions of better lives laid down on the battlefield ... for the sake of saving your own families, for the sake of the happiness of the Motherland, leave all strife and disagreement in this great historical time, unite in brotherly love for the good of the Motherland, trust the Provisional Government; all together and each one individually, make every effort to make it easier for him through labor and deeds, prayer and obedience to establish new principles of state life and with a common mind to lead Russia onto the path of true freedom, happiness and glory.
                  1. +1
                    3 February 2023 17: 45
                    Quote: Boris Sergeev
                    The Church always serves the current government. In Ukraine, for example. Under Stalin, the patriarchy was restored, and none of Stalin's saints anathematized. Quite the opposite. The ranks of the Russian Orthodox Church surrendered the Tsar in just a week. "On March 5, the proclamation of many years to the reigning house was canceled, on March 6, the Synod decided to serve a prayer service for the new government, after which a prayer for the" faithful Provisional Government was also established. On March 9, the Synod issued an appeal to support the Provisional Government. The appeal said: " The will of God has been done. Russia has embarked on the path of a new state life. May the Lord bless our great Motherland with happiness and glory on its new path. ... The Provisional Government took over the administration of the country at a difficult historical moment. ... For the sake of the millions of better lives laid down on the battlefield ... for the sake of saving your own families, for the sake of the happiness of the Motherland, leave all strife and disagreement in this great historical time, unite in brotherly love for the good of the Motherland, trust the Provisional Government; all together and each one individually, make every effort to make it easier for him through labor and deeds, prayer and obedience to establish new principles of state life and with a common mind to lead Russia onto the path of true freedom, happiness and glory.

                    So the ROC still unconditionally supports the authorities.
                    And supported the pension reform.
                    1. +2
                      3 February 2023 19: 46
                      ROC for the current government. Any. In Ukraine, Onufry managed to bless the murder of Russians.
          2. 0
            3 February 2023 15: 28
            Quote: Boris Sergeev
            You don't need to speak your mind! Under the tsar, Ukrainianism appeared. And Ukraine began to separate under the Provisional Government. Kyiv was then taken by the Bolsheviks. What the current lovers of "good will" have not yet succeeded in doing.

            Under the temporary seceded and Poland and Finland and the Baltic States. Moreover, the Baltic states were already under the Germans.
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  27. +1
    3 February 2023 17: 19
    The renaming of Jewish Street into Dagin Street, Israel Yakovlevich, the butcher of the OGPU and the NKVD, who was executed by Beria, was amused.
    Something is wrong...
    Maybe the street is waiting for a third name? ..
  28. -1
    3 February 2023 18: 47
    Persons in women's dresses want to remove the foam from the SVO without striking a finger.
  29. 0
    4 February 2023 02: 17
    Hmm... Another competition, who will break through the next bottom faster, or rather the BOTTOM... Moreover, now is not the time to arrange a total renaming, with the exception of the streets named after the Nazis. So also streets with simply sonorous and beautiful names must be named after some "composer" ... What did not please such as Pokrovskaya, Vinogradnaya, Y. the Wise, Universitetskaya, Grecheskaya, Petropavlovskaya, Chereshnevaya, Cherry. They are much more beautiful than the next "nominal" which can be found in every city and in total thousands throughout the country. And stubborn only in the period of the early USSR and the October Revolution ... There are no other periods? Or is it itchy? And to some "comrades" now the attitude is far from unambiguous. But for Ahmet-Khan Sultan and Korolev, I want to adjust the facade.
  30. -1
    4 February 2023 17: 07
    It is surprising that the dills attributed to themselves not only Academician Paton (maybe they confused him with Patton?), but also Korolev.
  31. -1
    5 February 2023 20: 25
    In Melitopol, the Administration does not know where to spend the money?
    Renaming streets costs money. Which will be allocated on plates with new names.
    And what about residential buildings, hospitals, schools, roads, recreation parks, local police, an ambulance fleet, the Public Employment Service, branches of the Russian Post, branches of the Russian Pension Fund? Is this already working? Or is it necessary to throw dust in the eyes of the population and send a report to Moscow?
  32. 0
    22 February 2023 15: 19
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    Quote: MBRBS
    In Ukraine, they immediately screamed about the return of the Soviet Union.

    And what actually confuses the author of the article? Enemies yelled - good. And adequate Ukrainians remember the USSR with its friendship of peoples with nostalgia.
    Once again, our mistakes pour water on the mill of enemy propaganda.

    it would be a mistake to leave the renamed ykr. mode. Therefore, Revolution Square rules forever!

    But the clergy from the Russian Orthodox Church want the square to be Cathedral.
    They revolution like a Faberge sickle.
    They agreed to the point that returning Soviet names is against Putin, violates the goals of the NWO ... although where they saw the word "de-Sovietization" is not clear.
    There is demilitarization and denazification, but there is no de-Sovietization. Glitches are probably painful.
    We agreed that our soldiers should not fight under the red Banner of Victory, since it is Soviet.

    The Chief himself said that de-communization suits him, where de-communization is, there is de-Sovietization, so everything is correct.