Voenkor: The secret of victory in the NWO lies in discipline

War correspondent, reporter Alexander Sladkov emphasized that only iron discipline and strict execution of commanders' orders will lead the Russian army to victory in the special operation in Ukraine.

Sweet remindedthat the existing army regulations include everything necessary to defeat the enemy. All other aspects, from the appearance of military personnel to the use of electronic devices in a war zone, can be fixed in temporary regulations.

The military commissar stressed that absolutely all types of troops must strictly follow the established order. Supply units must supply a certain amount of equipment and ammunition provided for the performance of a combat mission, without attributing the lack of necessary resources to the conditions for conducting combat operations.

Sladkov also noted that non-compliance with clearly defined conditions for the storage and transportation of ammunition is criminal negligence, for which the guilty should be punished. The military police and the commandant's office are fighting against disciplinary violations, but they cannot cope without the participation of a disciplined commanding staff.

In addition, the military commissar stressed that the Donbass survived for eight years of hostilities largely due to the most severe discipline maintained in the volunteer units. For drunkenness they could shoot the knee, and for more serious violations they could be sent to the front line without weapons dig trenches.

Sladkov summed up that the established requirements must be met absolutely at all levels of our army - from the General Staff to the farthest trench. This will inevitably become the key to victory.

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[Grandfather]

In addition, the military commissar stressed that the Donbass survived for eight years of hostilities largely due to the most severe discipline maintained in the volunteer units. For drunkenness, they could shoot through the knee, and for more serious violations, they could be sent to the front line without a weapon to dig trenches.

who was talking about a sledgehammer as a bad medicine? in the Donbass, before Wagner, it turns out that they are treated like this. Russian army? if he is sweet for this, then he will be the first to take out his knee.

[dmi.pris1]

Send to dig trenches? This is more serious than a shot through the knee ... Hmm, really .. With all due respect to Sladkov, but the former political worker went somewhere in the wrong place

[minus]

Well, according to observations, he was apparently firmly taken by the balls. Virtually no liberties. Everything is in line with the party leadership) There are only slogans left .... If you used to raise a lot of pressing problems, then lately it has merged a lot ..

[lis-ik]

Quote: Minus

If earlier he raised a lot of pressing problems, then lately he has merged a lot ..

Also noticed it.

[Skeptic3]

The KGB never liked initiators.

[Egeny]

Hello Dima. Digging trenches is a good job for the penalty box, but "shooting the knee" is too much. Here I agree with you.
Well, wow, they gave an asterisk, "another 10 thousand buckets and the Golden Key are in our pocket," as Duremar said to Karabas Barabas.)...

[ABC-schutze]

Whether he "drunk himself" or not, this is the competence of professionals - narcologists ...

But, professionals - the military, should essentially "roll out" his position and words of comments. Did he say something or reminded of something "wrong"? ..

An army without discipline, especially in a war, is a sure path to the Makhnovshchina. But the fact that the requirement of discipline in no way "cancels" the need for a serviceman, especially a commander, to have a civil position. And, ON TIME, in the correct form, justify and express it, that's for sure ...

By the way, and if all military personnel, especially from the "planners" of the NWO, would have "in themselves" civil courage, justify, including the Supreme Commander, the inadmissibility, in the initial phase of the NWO and with the brilliant successes of the group, of any " negotiations" with the top of the regime subject to denazification, then TODAY, NO ONE WOULD fire at hospitals in the LPR with Khaimars ... For, there would be no Khaimars on the territory of the former united Ukraine at all ...

But Shoigu and Gerasimov turned out to be "disciplined" people and did not open their mouths to express an OBJECTIVELY NECESSARY position ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Hmm, really .. With all due respect to Sladkov, but the former political worker went somewhere in the wrong place

Where did it take him? He spoke in favor of strict observance of the requirements of the charter and discipline from the soldier to the command staff. It seems like everything.
He does not propose to introduce the experience of "strengthening discipline" in the army of the Russian Federation in the image and likeness of measures to influence violators of discipline in the people's militia of the LDNR. I re-read the article twice, but did not find anything like it. Is not it so?

[dmi.pris1]

But who is against discipline in the army? But still there are other means of maintaining discipline, excluding shooting off a leg for drinking

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

But who is against discipline in the army? But still there are other means of maintaining discipline, excluding shooting off a leg for drinking

Agree. Now, by introducing the uniform disciplinary requirements of the Russian charters into the ranks of the people's militia of the LDNR, I believe that the practice of shooting in the legs, as a disciplinary measure, will be excluded from everyday life.

[Ed1970]

The heroic presentation of this information is similar to incitement to lynching, to violation of the charter (a violation of discipline should be considered by the military prosecutor's office and not by a backache on the spot). And if the top leadership believes this correspondent and makes all the soldiers disabled?

[free]

They hesitated, the media have been writing about discipline and beards for probably a month without specifics, apparently the boys from the front line accidentally sent some kind of bump from Moscow to ..r))) About the September miscalculations of the command, they would have been procrastinating

[ABC-schutze]

The "miscalculations" of the command (and, in fact, the Supreme Political Leadership of Russia), army discipline in no way cancel. Moreover, the aforementioned "September" miscalculations of the command are a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE POLITICAL "negotiation" miscalculations of the top political leadership in the INITIAL (March ...) phase of the NWO ...

And, ON THE COMPLETION OF THE SVO with the achievement of its goal and the solution of the main tasks (and not at all "on its way" ...), these miscalculations should be OBJECTIVELY analyzed. must be PUBLICLY named REASONS thereof. And the names of the "presonals" who prepared, motivated and made the appropriate decisions...

For that "babble" of the type of Gerasimov's, which explained the punctures during the mobilization campaign, the "unpreparedness" of the military commissariats and the system of registration and training of reservists, to the fact that the country already lives in a different economic system, is nothing but the impression of the complete initiative impotence of the highest army no guidance...

Guys from the leadership of the General Staff, are you just now, THIRTY YEARS AFTER the "introduction of capitalism" in Russia, with all its "freedoms of movement", etc. "notice" that the system of accounting for those liable for military service, the UNINTERRUPTED updating of its database, the system of their training and retraining, the payment of compensation to them "for separation" for retraining, need to be changed OPERATIONALLY and LARGE-SCALE? ..

Do you realize that with such "belated" and impotent "statements" at the highest military command level, in case of war, you bring the country and the army to the "level of readiness" on June 22? .. And this despite the extremely commendable in REALITY, implementation of SAP 2020. Excellently funded from the budget (as before the Second World War). The implementation of which gave the Armed Forces a new and MODERN MATERIAL BASE. Constantly expanding and improving...

But, with a real, AS IT turned out, INABILITY to quickly mobilize "all this" for transformation into a real, combat-ready and combat-ready potential (except for strategic nuclear forces) in the event of a major conventional war? ..

Are you "flaming"? ..

[dmi.pris1]

The secret of victory, first of all, is determination. Everyone. From the Commander-in-Chief to the ordinary fighter.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The secret of victory, first of all, is determination. Everyone. From the Commander-in-Chief to the ordinary fighter.

The swan, cancer and pike also have determination. Did it help them? Charters are not written from the ceiling, they contain the experience of generations. Therefore, Sladkov is right - discipline is the basis of the foundations.
By the way, not only in the army, it's the same in production.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

discipline is the basis of the foundations.

the main thing is brains and the ability to use them, and everything else is secondary, such slogans of political instructors and commissars in the pre-war period led to a defeat in 41, so your comment is about nothing ...

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Charters are not written from the ceiling, they contain the experience of generations.

If you are an officer, then you should know that in wartime, the charter (with the exception of guard duty) is not a bible and not the ultimate truth, but just a guide to action according to the situation.
The charter can be fully executed only in peacetime.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: PSih2097

the main thing is brains and the ability to use them

Yes, I understand that your brains are the best, and you know how to use them.
But there is at least one, but oh-oh-very big BUT. Both the private and the commander have brains. And they are different. Whose brain is the best in battle? If a private decides that his brains are better and, on the basis of this, does not follow the order, then what will happen? Do not strain your mighty brain, I will tell you - there will be no army. There won't even be a partisan detachment. For everyone will consider himself the smartest.

Quote: PSih2097

similar slogans of political officers and commissars in the pre-war period led to the defeat in 41.

I am surprised that, having such a mind, you still did not understand the reasons for our defeats in 41-42. I'll tell you a secret - the commissars and political officers are not to blame for this.
Another secret, free of charge - no matter how smart a private is, he still has a minimum of information in comparison with a not very smart commander. Therefore, he must unconditionally obey the commander. And submission is discipline.

Quote: PSih2097

If you are an officer, then you should know that in wartime, the charter (with the exception of guard duty) is not the bible and not the truth in the latest

Speaking of statutes, I had in mind only and exclusively discipline.

[Ed1970]

Yes. Shooting through the knee (like Sladkov's) is also determination. But some kind of primitive, and not even animal (in a wolf pack they discipline but do not destroy without need) ...
And if there is discipline, then not only "below" but also "above".

[Ross xnumx]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

The secret of victory, first of all, is determination. Everyone. From the Commander-in-Chief to the ordinary fighter.

7 principles for achieving victory from Alexander Suvorov

Principle No. 4. Purposefulness “Always have a definite goal,” said Suvorov. “Battles, the purpose of which remains incomprehensible, are the favorite method of the ignorant.” The Russian "maybe" in the Suvorov system is unacceptable, the actions of each unit and each soldier always have a very specific goal. Let's remember Suvorov's aphorism: "Every soldier knows his maneuver". According to Suvorov, it means not only and not so much a detailed briefing before the battle, but bringing to the attention of the personnel the goals of the regiment, division, army, corps, and even the entire campaign. Suvorov objected: they say, a captured soldier can give out military secrets to the enemy. Suvorov replied to this that the harm from the fact that the soldiers do not understand the meaning of their actions is much greater than the harm from transmitting information to the enemy.

Source: https://fishki.net/1947631-7-principov-dostizhenija-pobedy-ot-aleksandra-suvorova.html?utm_source=aab&sign=111911014780543%2C159331597003888 © Fishki.net

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Here. Therefore, bringing the goals to the fighters, the task of each operation, including the timing of the offensive, its direction, the forces and means involved, is the primary role of the command. Only the complete abolition of the concept of "secret" as such can earn the trust of soldiers and society in a democratic state. Otherwise, everything turns into lack of control and permissiveness, a catastrophe.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

the harm from the fact that the soldiers do not understand the meaning of their actions, much more harm from the transfer of information to the enemy.

[Sanya Terek]

the harm from the fact that the soldiers do not understand the meaning of their actions, much more harm from the transfer of information to the enemy
In the combat order, the platoon commander and above must indicate all the information necessary to complete the combat mission:
1. landmarks, composition, position and nature of the enemy's actions, the location of his fire weapons;
2. the task of the company, platoon and neighbors;
3. tasks are set for squads, attached subunits and fire weapons, and the commander of a motorized rifle platoon, in addition, tasks for directly subordinate personnel (deputy platoon commander, machine gun crew, sniper, orderly-shooter) and created groups (fire support, obstacles (undermining ) and capture).
4. time of readiness to perform the task;
5. your place and deputy.
The combat order should be stated briefly and very clearly. (BU SV, part 3, p. 22).
For a normal commander, a soldier will understand the task correctly and complete it.

[dmi.pris1]

Bringing the timing of the offensive, direction, available forces to each fighter ??? Yes? So that the enemy would know faster? Did they serve in the army in general?

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

the harm from the fact that the soldiers do not understand the meaning of their actions, much more harm from the transfer of information to the enemy.

[dmi.pris1]

A soldier will always understand if they explain to him and show him where to attack, where the positions of the enemy are, they will prepare the attack correctly. But he absolutely does not need to know what forces, when (maybe only in a few hours). He only needs to have a goal. Everything else must be provided other

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

bringing targets to the fighters, the task of each operation, including the timing of the offensive, its direction, the forces and means involved, the primary role of the command.

In support, I’ll say that this is what the Israeli army does, and it has fully justified itself over decades of wars and military operations.
Without unnecessary details, of course, but each fighter should at least have a general idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbwhat is happening and the goals set. Understand your role in the unit and the role of your unit in the overall scheme.
This greatly strengthens the feedback and autonomy of the units, which allows them to redistribute the chain of command and continue to complete the task, even with the complete loss of all command and / or officers and even connections.
There were cases when even sergeants took over the management of the company and successfully continued the combat mission before they sent replacement commanders.
And the same Egyptians or Syrians, for example, having lost an officer, simply hung out, not knowing what to do, and as a result died or surrendered to whole companies and battalions.
Of course, along with this, it is necessary to instill in the personnel an understanding of the importance of keeping military secrets from outsiders.

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

the abolition of the concept of "secret"

This is, of course, an inflection, you just need to adequately assess the degree of necessary secrecy, clearly understand where and when it is really needed and in what, and where it is statutory - meaningless and merciless.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

7 principles for achieving victory from Alexander Suvorov

Here you, dear Yuri Vasilyevich, quoted A.V. Suvorov. Everything the great commander said was right. Now ask yourself the question, what would happen to these seven principles if there were no performing DISCIPLINE in Suvorov's army? All 7 principles down the drain. Why A.V. doesn't talk about discipline? Because it exists a priori. Discipline is an immutable law, not subject to discussion. It is necessary not only to read, but also to understand what is read.

[frog]

Well, the determination of the Japanese in WWII was quite enough for themselves. One might even say overkill. It is possible that in some places she replaced them with common sense. Do you know the result?

[Ivan Ivanov]

The secret of victory is in a large number of factors, discipline is only one of them.

[Epaulettes]

Sladkov will not tell who was shot in the knee for the tragedy in Makiivka?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

This wisest thought must be carved on granite and cast in bronze!

[VladMirU]

...... together with Sladkov.

Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment

[Lech from Android.]

If there are new Istanbul agreements with our enemy, then no discipline will help here.
Discipline must first of all be at the top, and then you can already demand it from subordinates ... there should be no vacillation and confusion in the upper echelons of power ..

[dmi.pris1]

Here you are, that discipline should be at the top. Again, the fish rots from the head. But here discipline alone cannot help. Maybe, in fact, a shot through the knee will set the brains there? By the way, we noticed that there are much fewer patriotic chants in the media, and the talk show with them almost disappeared ..

[AdAstra]

Yeah, they just got off, no matter how.

[Amper]

Citizens! Don’t throw hats on anyone and don’t scare anyone with loud cheers! Only the entire state, united into one smashing fist with a strong rear, political will and the goal to win, can win in a modern war! What is NOT! !!! Admire the wild deeds of the mercenaries!? War crime? There is a military tribunal! And when the rank and file answer to him, and the gold-chasing traitors continue to serve ... This is a dead end path. Sweet, the farther, the more sugary and incomprehensible.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Sladkov, as always, brings blizzards and heresy. All the problems of the SVO in the illiterate officer corps of the RF Armed Forces. Only after he is brought to his senses and shaken up (including the wall) can we talk about the effectiveness of the army and the establishment of discipline there. Only after the appearance of a normal officer corps, which has earned the trust of soldiers and society, can we talk about the rest of the garbage. And since this is not the case, then do not interfere with the soldiers to fight as they see fit.

[Alf]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

All the problems of the SVO in the illiterate officer corps of the RF Armed Forces.

An indecent question - Who brought the army to such a state? What is the military education of the Minister of Defense? And army experience in general?

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

And he is also an officer. Therefore, only after the most severe repressions and cleansing of officers can we speak of command and leadership in the army and navy. I think many officers are waiting for the fate of Dukhonin. Overwhelming majority. In 1917, it was the purge of officers, carried out through the soldiers' and sailors' committees, that made it possible to forge the Red Army. Well, a Mauser, attached to the back of the head of each officer. In general, it was the soldiers themselves who nominated the most brilliant commanders. And discipline - this is conscious submission to the most authoritative commanders - will come by itself.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, actually, almost half of the tsarist officer corps fought in the Red Army, and some for one side and the other, like Govorov, for example. In the fleet, everything was different, but in the army there were very different officers, and not only Dybenko fought with Pskov near Narva, but also General Parsky.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Do not forget that by 1917 there were no career officers left in the imperial army and half were soldiers and ensigns. This mass, as well as former non-commissioned officers, went over to the side of the Reds. And behind each stood a commissar with a Mauser and soldiers with rifles and bayonets. The fleet supplied the most frostbitten part of the officers. Accordingly, they ended up in the Kronstadt ravine. 90 percent of regular officers were either destroyed as unnecessary or fled to the whites and ended up in the doorways of Europe.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

In 1917, it was the purge of officers, carried out through the soldiers' and sailors' committees, that made it possible to forge the Red Army.

USE? What purge? The Bolsheviks disbanded the old army and assembled a new one on a voluntary basis, the Red Guard,

then February 23, 1918 (see Defender of the Fatherland Day). It was on this day that the mass enrollment of volunteers in the Red Army detachments began,

Dukhonin was an opponent of the Bolsheviks and fought against them, being the Supreme Civil Code of the Republic of Armenia.

Sailors burst into the car, brought Dukhonin to the landing, someone shot him in the head, and then they finished him off with bayonets and butts.

What purges if there is no army ....

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Yes. It is difficult for you with your knowledge of your native history. March 1917. In just 2 days in the Baltic, more than 700 fleet officers were killed, more than 600 were wounded and subsequently survived by fleeing to the whites. Over 1000 were expelled from the fleet. Similarly, things went on in the trenches, but the dead were no longer counted. The army and navy were cleared. The rest were given the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves before the people. That's just the front-line soldiers from the people, raznochintsev and service nobles supported the people. The rest of the foam was blown off.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

March 1917. In just 2 days in the Baltic, more than 700 fleet officers were killed, more than 600 were wounded and subsequently survived by fleeing to the whites. Over 1000 were expelled from the fleet. Similarly, things went on in the trenches, but the dead were no longer counted. The army and navy were cleared.

Where are the Bolsheviks and the future Red Army? The army of the Republic of Ingushetia was destroyed by the Petrosoviet by Order No. 1. Order No. 1 is a document (order) issued by the united Petrograd Soviet of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies (Petrosoviet) on March 1 (14), 1917, during the February Revolution, for the garrison of the Petrograd District.
Active participation in the development and editing of the text of the order was taken by such well-known "defencists" as the Menshevik Semyon Klivansky and the non-factional Social Democrat, secretary of the executive committee of the Petrosoviet N. D. Sokolov (as of February 1917 - attorney at law, social democrat, friend of Kerensky and Chkheidze)

Yes. It is difficult for you with your knowledge of your native history.

But the exam will write everything off ...

[AdAstra]

Are you suggesting that he shoot himself? """

[Mavrikiy]

Quote from AdAstra

Are you suggesting that he shoot himself? """

Why, if you have the same USE knowledge as an idiot, then you can play roulette for a couple ....

[former soldier]

Many successes in 11 months other than fleeing occupied territories?

In fact, it was not the holy spirit who provided them with the occupied territories, but they themselves, with weapons in their hands, took control earlier.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Repellent

who is into what much, like Father Makhno, or what?

In vain you are talking about the old man, he, with his raid on the rear of the whites on Melitopol, thwarted Denikin's offensive on Moscow. His army at its peak consisted of 130 thousand bayonets and sabers, and weapons were obtained by themselves, no one supplied them. And the Karetnik brigade near Perekop defeated the last reserve of the Whites - Barbovich's cavalry corps!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

Only after the appearance of a normal officer corps, which has earned the trust of soldiers and society, can we talk about the rest of the garbage.

A normal officer corps prepares for war every day and masters the AVAILABLE and INCOMING equipment and weapons, and does not prepare for parades and does not torture itself and its subordinates with combat reviews. And yet, he does not write papers, spending precious time on this.

[odisey3000]

We all carefully listen to the authors of opuses about officer cadres, I didn’t read anything new about how to restore order in the army, well, this Sladkov’s nonsense about knees doesn’t count. And what is the reason that the issue of discipline has become so acute in the army. Then again it is necessary to issue a new order not a single step back. and call the commissars in dusty helmets, since they are no longer there, then the commissars, political workers, political officers, dispersed as unnecessary by the new government. battalion. We kept 600 snouts in check and did not let us lose our human appearance. And now, what we see is some kind of sour shoulder straps, not of course, of all, but of many.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5

And since this is not the case, then do not interfere with the soldiers to fight as they see fit.

Maybe they, the soldiers, with all due respect to them, will be engaged in the development and planning of operations? For how can one fight without planning a defensive or offensive operation? In your understanding, war for a soldier is the enemy, I shoot at him and do not interfere with me. Everything. Everybody???

[Virus-free crown]

Sladkov summed up that the established requirements must be met at absolutely all levels of our army - from the General Staff to the furthest trench. This will inevitably become the key to victory.

Well, here's how I see that starting from General Staff well, at least the Orders of the Supreme Commander will begin to be carried out in a buffalo way - I’ll believe it right away ... as a guarantee of Victory

[Repellent]

Quote: Corona without virus

Well, as soon as I see that, starting from the General Staff, they will begin to carry out, well, at least the Orders of the Supreme Commander, I will immediately believe

To see, you need to be allowed to see. To do this, you need to have permissions. And landing

But you don’t have them, like Pechkin’s saddles on a bicycle. And therefore - you will never see this, plump further

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Corona without virus

Well, as soon as I see that, starting from the General Staff, they will begin to carry out, well, at least the Orders of the Supreme Commander, I will immediately believe

To see, you need to be allowed to see. To do this, you need to have permissions. And landing

But you don’t have them, like Pechkin’s saddles on a bicycle. And therefore - you will never see this, plump further

Well, this is how I see landing according to the Federal Penitentiary Service - so immediately and I will believe
And so I will give out the most terrible top secret I have been in the delivery for a year and a half - moreover, voluntarily

[Repellent]

Quote: Corona without virus

Well, here's how I see landings according to the Federal Penitentiary Service

You Russian is not native, hike. Landings, as well as tolerances, must be with you.

Quote: Corona without virus

I have been in the delivery for a year and a half - moreover, voluntarily

Ahem, "in the delivery" ... Well, in the manner of speech, it is clearly felt. But you go on, don't be shy

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Repellent

You Russian is not native, hike. Landings, as well as tolerances, must be with you.

In vain you are. Well, a person (not his field of activity) does not know that tolerances and landings are technical terms.

[Alf]

Quote: Corona without virus

starting from the General Staff, they will begin to carry out, well, at least the Orders of the Supreme Commander - so I will immediately believe ... as a pledge of Victory

To do this, you must first ensure that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief gives ORDERS, not INSTRUCTIONS ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Corona without virus

Well, as soon as I see that, starting from the General Staff, they will begin to carry out, well, at least the Orders of the Supreme Commander, I will immediately believe ... as a pledge of Victory

Doesn't the Supreme need to know that:

43. The order of the commander (chief) must be carried out unquestioningly, accurately and on time.

And always remember this when giving orders EVEN TO NEGLECT MINISTERS!!!
In addition, he has a pestilence to "mantur" from the positions of any burdensome and sleazy, referring to hell knows what reasons.
In our case, there can be two reasons: this is not in nature and sudden death.
Sorry! When the guys count missiles, tanks, planes, and for someone pearls are small ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ROSS 42

Doesn't the Supreme need to know that:
43. The order of the commander (chief) must be carried out unquestioningly, accurately and on time.

And this is what is called performance discipline. From which, judging by my minuses, all minusers shy away like hell from incense.

[acetophenone]

Quote: VladMirU

Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment

Well, you are a cunning people -
Azhno dumbfounded takes!
He thinks everybody else is a freak,
Despite himself.

[Amateur]

In 1968, journalist Joan Saldanha was appointed head coach of the Brazilian national football team, who criticized the game of the national team and especially its coaches the loudest and most viciously. To prove his case, Saldanha organized a series of friendly matches with obviously weak opponents, which the team won with brilliance. But as soon as it came to serious rivals, they turned out to be too tough for her. As a result, after a series of scandals in 1969, Saldanha was fired.
Why all this? Maybe it's worth as an experiment to appoint Sladkov to command part of the actual hostilities?
ps Today, the Wagner press service smashed Strelkov-Girkin to smithereens, recalling to him how he surrendered Slavyansk to the Ukrainians for Akhmerov's money. (https://t.me/concordgroup_official/362)

[Asad]

If this is true, then why is Strelkov alive and at large? And what kind of evidence does Prigogine have?

[minus]

According to Strelkov, I don’t want to say anything. On the one hand, there are many moments from his speeches, with which I agree one hundred percent ... And on the other, yap ...

[minus]

At least most of the fighters who were with him definitely do not. Some raids on musicians are worth something .... At the end of 14, the guys through PMCs went to Ukraine ... and fought not for money, but for an idea! And in Syria they fought not for a reward. Many veterans of the 1st and XNUMXnd Chechen. Some of his vysers about mercenaries are worth what ..... And how do the RF Armed Forces in Syria differ from PMCs? Or could someone without a command from above allow the transfer of musicians by military aircraft? Or was it not the RF Ministry of Defense who was fully responsible for the equipment and weapons of the first two business trips of musicians ??? So Girkin is the usual yap with an exaggerated sense of self-importance ....

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Minus

At the end of 14, the guys through the PMCs went to Ukraine ... and fought not for money, but for an idea!

This Bednova banged when?! Many have already forgotten about it. There were also all sorts of rumors about the murder of Mozgovoy.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Amateur

In 1968, journalist Joan Saldanha was appointed head coach of the Brazilian national football team, who criticized the game of the national team and especially its coaches the loudest and most viciously. To prove his case, Saldanha organized a series of friendly matches with obviously weak opponents, which the team won with brilliance. But as soon as it came to serious rivals, they turned out to be too tough for her. As a result, after a series of scandals in 1969, Saldanha was fired.
Why all this? Maybe it's worth as an experiment to appoint Sladkov to command part of the actual hostilities?
ps Today, the Wagner press service smashed Strelkov-Girkin to smithereens, recalling to him how he surrendered Slavyansk to the Ukrainians for Akhmerov's money. (https://t.me/concordgroup_official/362)

Today the press service of Wagner "sat in a puddle" in full!!! Who is Strelkov, and who is Prigogine?! I would be in Prigozhin's place. since he is so cool, nafik would have fired his entire press service. you need to know who you can roll barrels on, and on whom you can’t!!!

[Repellent]

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Who is Strelkov, and who is Prigogine?!

Um. Strelkov is a reenactor who once provoked a war in the Donbass, and then skillfully faded from there. Prigozhin is the head (nominal, at least) of an organization that defends the interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, in some other countries, and now in the Donbass.

So understandable, or even chew?

[Skeptic3]

They are both of the same kidney. It's just competition for public resources.

[Virus-free crown]

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Who is Strelkov, and who is Prigogine?!

Um. Strelkov is a reenactor who once provoked a war in the Donbass, and then skillfully faded from there. Prigozhin is the head (nominal, at least) of an organization that defends the interests of the Russian Federation in Syria, in some other countries, and now in the Donbass.

So understandable, or even chew?

Chew
Are you so directly accusing Mr. Prikhozhin of several dozen articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?! For a dozen life-long pulls for sure Starting with the fact that private military companies in Russia can’t be a donkey soviet - 10-15 years is a minimum of interpretation for organizing))) and participation in terrorist organizations in the hands of a weapon is for life)))

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Are you so directly accusing Mr. Prikhozhin of several dozen articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?!

That is, there are no questions about Strelkov?

I knew

[AdAstra]

And you read the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Comrade Dichlorvos, you will learn a lot of new things for yourself.

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Comrade Dichlorvos

Shy. Comrade Cadastre

[Krasnoyarsk]

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And you read the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Comrade Dichlorvos, you will learn a lot of new things for yourself.

And you don’t want to try on the actions of Girkin in the year 14 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, since you are trying on him for the actions of Prigozhin. And I wouldn't. Neither one nor the other.

[Virus-free crown]

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Are you so directly accusing Mr. Prikhozhin of several dozen articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?!

That is, there are no questions about Strelkov?

I knew

Personally, I have no questions about Strelkov My relatives from Lugansk and Donetsk literally prayed for him in his years when he was there, armed with a handful of volunteers, DEFENDED!!! them from the Nazis!!! And if it weren’t for Strelkov, FIG would know what would happen there now !!!

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My relatives from Lugansk and Donetsk literally prayed for him in his years when he was there, armed with a handful of volunteers, DEFENDED!!! them from the Nazis!!! And if it were not for Strelkov

Well, some teach - only to spoil. There are cadres here who also pray for Putin, so they were not surprised with your "relatives".

One more time: it was Strelkov who unleashed a war game in the Donbass. Where it all really started.

 Mouse tynts!

https://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/20/strelkov/

[sadam2]

Do you think it’s normal to invite a dude to war through a cart? (copy from original)
"I'm sure that Strelkov will behave like a complete pissant. The commanders, embittered at him, will tell him: "B @ side, why did you come here, @ pissing? Why did you, bitch @ nok, surrendered Slavyansk? How much money did Akhmetov pay you for this?". This man is not famous for his courage, courage and reliability. He will try to escape - piss on his face," Prigozhin said.

Do they do a common thing or are they measured by pisyunami?

[Virus-free crown]

They do different things
Strelkov - "angry patriot" and company
Prigozhin - militant privately owned military company
These are different universes.

[sadam2]

and what kind of coordination do you want after that if the army men hate Prigozhin’s so fiercely and this is mutual?
.... calling him a "chaldean" and "m, who either was in prison or changed plates at Putin's" and said that Girkin would not serve in his "p@derastic company" ....
the plot is generally interesting. if Vova didn’t play too much, then he will put the Cook in his place

[Skeptic3]

There is no PMC in Russia. This is a primitive lie, and everyone repeats.
"Wagner" is just another power structure on the full state content and in direct government. Just less limited by all sorts of state laws and state instructions. Similar to the Chechen troops.

[rocket757]

Sladkov summed up that the established requirements must be met absolutely at all levels of our army - from the General Staff to the farthest trench. This will inevitably become the key to victory.

. Not only according to the CHARTER, it is not a panacea for all troubles, you need to think with your head, make the right decisions in accordance with the situation.

[ximkim]

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Here you are, that discipline should be at the top. Again, the fish rots from the head. But here discipline alone cannot help. Maybe, in fact, a shot through the knee will set the brains there? By the way, we noticed that there are much fewer patriotic chants in the media, and the talk show with them almost disappeared ..

Discipline is the key to success. And if it is shown by the top ..
But there is another thing - losses.
Not every region officializes the dead in the NWO, or sending those mobilized to the zone

Mobilized citizens of Krasnoyarsk went to the NVO zone from Novosibirsk
January 25, AiF Krasnoyarsk

Loss is a two-sided coin.
One side shows losses in equipment and manpower (Russia had losses with 200 and people unable to return to the trenches on time, the SVO amounted to 500000 people.
The other side shows - the state of the army, the preparation of the army, the work of the army ..

[Spaceman111]

As for "Russia has lost ... 500000 people" (c) and do you have proofs? What is overclocking?

[Skeptic3]

When the state lies and hides, it causes the spread of the most fantastic rumors, unfortunately.

[former soldier]

Loss is a two-sided coin.
One side shows losses in equipment and manpower (Russia had losses with 200 and people unable to return to the trenches on time, the SVO amounted to 500000 people.
The other side shows - the state of the army, the preparation of the army, the work of the army ..

Who are one side and the other. Be clearer. About 500 thousand of our losses, even Western observers do not fantasize like that.

[vorobejti]

Discipline is certainly needed, only if it does not turn into tyranny and absurdity.

[16112014nk]

I have not seen officers of the RF Armed Forces on the streets of Moscow for a long time. Well, it’s clear with the generals, they don’t walk the streets. But where did the officers go? And they walk in civilian clothes, and change clothes at the duty station. This is evidence of the attitude of society towards the army. Officers are uncomfortable in military uniform on the street. And it should be the other way around, especially since now there is a NWO.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Thank God it's not comfortable. Otherwise, people will wipe their feet on them. And so they are cowardly and okay. This is just for them. What kind of officers - such behavior

[Virus-free crown]

And I will answer in my small town in the Moscow region ... Several 300s have already returned - some without arms, some without legs ... They are drinking their 3 lyamas black ... for a month or two there is still enough ... and then what? ! where is rehab? by the state? that's how they run out of money - how can they continue to live? where to work? how to support families? and all right, these are contract soldiers and volunteers only ... but when will the mobilized return ??? they are tolerated for the time being, even when they are in a drunken stupor and rowdy .. and then what? So, while the fathers of families “cleaned their faces” a couple of times, when their daughters and wives were molested ... but the patience of the people is not unlimited, after all !!!

[dmi.pris1]

I don’t know about dressing up, but a colleague was on a business trip in the Moscow region. So I couldn’t mark a business trip for half a day. There was no one, everyone went to the front. About the losses .. It is clear that they are comparable. four residents died.

[Sebostyuan]

Of course, in military uniform it is not comfortable on the streets of Moscow. Who wants to attract the attention of military patrols. During the years of my military service, this was the only reason for both soldiers and officers.

[minus]

And the fact that Slavyansk was mediocrely surrendered, I have no doubts about this. And by communicating with the participants and with people who left it. And even individual neutral khataskrykniks acquaintances with whom they communicated online at that moment did not understand the reasons for the flight. It seemed that everything was fine and suddenly it became empty! They just threw all the property at the checkpoints and departed in an unknown direction, to the delight of local economic kurkuls))))

[ximkim]

Quote from Spaceman111

As for "Russia has lost ... 500000 people" (c) and do you have proofs? What is overclocking?

Did you read my comment

in Russia, losses from 200 and people unable to return to the trenches (I will add, they received a disability) in time, the SVO amounted to 500000 people.

No one will talk about disability, they generally try to keep silent about the dead.
Do you think they just hide losses and point the finger at the enemy side (and everything is bad with them there)?

[ivan2022]

Disclosure of military secrets is a crime!
Outside the army, discipline is really the first thing.
And who does not agree with the authorities, can complain after .....
But in the army, above all, the Oath.

If the military for the fulfillment of the Oath stopped the actions of the chief, because there is no time and opportunity to complain, and the lives of subordinates are more expensive, the military court will justify him .. But if someone does not believe in a fair trial of his comrades, then there is nothing to do in the army. This is how it should ideally be.. Strictly speaking, the title of an officer is almost equivalent to the title of a saint. Did Sladkov understand this?

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

That's right, so if a soldier puts a bullet in the head of an officer who gave a criminal order, he's right.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

And I thought he was thinking about shaving beards ...

[minus]

Girkin, are you here too?))) I see you minus me))) Write in a personal! I will answer you. The guys will answer. Even the girls will respond. Yes, there are also girls from Slavyansk who I know who left for Russia after your shameful flight ...

[RED_ICE]

Sladkov has long been blown away and is carrying a blizzard.
And he did not know that in any sphere of life discipline comes first?

[valera75]

War correspondent, reporter Alexander Sladkov emphasized that only iron discipline and strict execution of commanders' orders will lead the Russian army to victory in the special operation in Ukraine.

I agree, of course, that discipline is necessary and I don’t even argue with that, but maybe it’s enough to blame (blame) everything on the guys that destroy the Nazis and let's see where deeper?

Compared to 2021, last year gas supplies to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia increased from 159 tons to 331. And if Latvia increased imports by 77%, then Lithuania - as much as 8,5 times. According to traders interviewed by journalists, new purchases go straight to Ukraine. Nezalezhnaya, which formally refused to supply from the Russian Federation, continues to buy Russian fuel. Moreover, it turns out to be cheaper for Kyiv by about $150-200 per ton than from Romania or Poland. Thus, Moscow, it turns out, also subsidizes the Ukrainian economy.

We feed Russophobic countries, and they are Bandera

At the same time, one should not forget that official trade between Moscow and Kyiv does not stop. According to the official report of the State Customs Service of Ukraine, published in December last year, according to the results of 11 months of 2022, Russia ranks sixth in the list of importing countries with an indicator of $1,57 billion, behind only China, Poland, Germany, Turkey and the United States. In the first place of goods supplied from Russia are coal, anthracite, coke and semi-coke, Ukraine received them in the amount of $507 million. But this is the main raw material for both Ukrainian power plants and the metallurgical industry. The Russian side also supplies finished steel, for 11 months - for $ 28,2 million. And aluminum, copper, nickel, tungsten, chromium also come from the Russian Federation. In general, everything that the military-industrial complex cannot do without.

During the same period, Ukraine's agriculture received "help" in the form of Russian ammonia for $21 million. Approximately ten times less ($2,16 million) raw materials for fertilizers were received from Belarus.

And all this is only according to open data. And how many goods from Russia can get to Ukraine through third countries, like the same liquefied gas through the mediation of the Baltic states?

Can we win at the front when we win with this?

[cash]

too sweet ... a lot of drilling is not the case, even the headline is stupid ... disciplined, but naked soldiers endure packed idle adversaries? These are the thoughts that come to mind after reading the title...

[Iris]

You are right, only a certain Maxim Svetlyshev came up with the title. he is also the author of the article, who pulled quotes from an unshaven shpak in a helmet that has become a "classic".

[Terenin]

The military commissar stressed that absolutely all types of troops must strictly follow the established order.

Yeah and water should be wet, salt should be salty, the economy should be economical ...

[Iris]

Some military officers need to tear out their tongues. They will grow a new one anyway, like a lizard's tail. I remember how Sladkov admired Lapin: "he could smash the radio on the heads of the Syrian generals."

[Terenin]

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Some military officers need to tear out their tongues. They will grow a new one anyway, like a lizard's tail. I remember how Sladkov admired Lapin: "he could smash the radio on the heads of the Syrian generals."

He has it all the time. And not only him.

[Skeptic3]

Oh, this latent sadism to me ...
.............................

[Maxim Shalak]

Wow, sensible thoughts have appeared, partisanism is being eradicated.

[Unsam]

I don’t understand who this military commander Sladkov is? And a note ... "Sladkov emphasized ...", "Sladkov reminded ...", "The military commissar stressed ...", "Sladkov also noted ...", etc. etc.... Ichichi matiti!!!! Allow me to freeze in deep pardon and depict the deepest reverence on my face that is not disfigured by intellect!
Damn, I haven't seen such notes about the President.

[SIT]

Roma Abramovich was given back $7 billion of his hard-earned dollars, arrested by the police of the island of Jersey, the very next day after the Russian army, disciplined and in accordance with the order, left Kherson and surrendered the bridgehead for the development of the offensive on Nikolaev and Odessa. I wonder what orders will follow if Chelsea is returned to him?

[Al manah]

It is not clear what prompted this article to be written. Which side of the knees are shot through the charters, and what jambs of ammunition are we talking about?

[Fangaro]

... the established requirements must be met at absolutely all levels of our army - from the General Staff to the farthest trench. This will inevitably become the key to victory ...

The requirements do not include "lines", the order of location on the ground?

[optimist007]

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They hesitated, the media have been writing about discipline and beards for probably a month without specifics, apparently the boys from the front line accidentally sent some kind of bump from Moscow to ..r))) About the September miscalculations of the command, they would have been procrastinating

That's right!

[Ed1970]

And what about "where could 1,5 million sets of uniforms from the points of reception of personnel go?" https://topwar.ru/202725-deputat-gurulev-prizval-objasnit-pochemu-vo-vremja-chastichnoj-mobilizacii-obnaruzhilis-problemy-s-nalichiem-voennoj-formy.html
"Gurulev urged not to look for another job for General Bulgakov, but to ask him, ...". The general was found missing and he was simply transferred to another job?
Is discipline only for ordinary citizens?

[Appraiser]

Without discipline, you shouldn’t even start fighting at all, this is not Makhnovshchina. The principle of unity of command in command and control of troops is the key to victory, these are the basics of military affairs ....

[usm5]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine, we must pay tribute to them, use the experience of the Second World War. For violators of discipline, the death penalty is provided for under an accelerated procedure, up to and including execution on the spot for failure to comply with an order. There are from the barrage units and the responsibility of the closest relatives for the "coward and traitor." In the Russian army, apparently, there is no cruel discipline in most units. This is a disaster, because war is a terrible test for the human psyche, which requires specific laws of control. In the meantime, there is an impression that dudes are leading the Russian army, and this foppishness (ostentatious conduct of the war by supposedly "humane means") will cost Russia dearly.

[Alex242]

Sladkov also noted that non-compliance with clearly defined conditions for the storage and transportation of ammunition is criminal negligence, for which the guilty should be punished. The military police and the commandant's office are fighting against disciplinary violations, but they cannot cope without the participation of a disciplined commanding staff.

as they say - the military regulations are written in blood ....