Military correspondents analyzed issues related to our fighters being captured by Ukrainians

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Military correspondents analyzed issues related to our fighters being captured by Ukrainians

Until recently, Russian officials, in contrast to the Kyiv regime, avoided the topic of Russian prisoners of war and their exchange, and the media were mainly busy covering individual cases of enemy surrender and demonstrating the testimony of captured militants. Now the approach has changed: exchanges are commented on at the official level, while the press is actively broadcasting footage of the return of the released fighters. However, the circumstances of their capture are practically not disclosed.

Military correspondents from the TG channels "Rybar" and "Military Chronicle" tried to fill this gap. As indicated in their analysis, approximately 80% of the fighters who were captured were volunteers (35%) and called up from the reserve (45%). Among those mobilized, these were people from the people's republics of Donbass, since the end of September - from other subjects of the Russian Federation.



At the same time, regular military personnel find themselves in the hands of the enemy much less frequently and are mostly incapacitated: 80% of the considered category of fighters are among the wounded.

Among the reasons for the surrender is the lack of regular officers. In units formed from mobilized, reservists become commanders, half of whom do not have the skills to manage personnel. In battle, they are unable to assess the situation and give the necessary orders, due to the lack of which the soldiers become a disorganized mass, unable to resist.

Another reason is the ignorance in some cases of personnel about the combat situation. The servicemen could not only not have information about the location of neighboring units, but even not know the combat mission assigned to them. Being disoriented, they fled from the battlefield at the first onslaught of the enemy and easily found themselves captured.

The third reason is the lack of strong-willed determination in some fighters. Problems with motivation concern mainly the part of the volunteers who decided to earn extra money at the front, and those mobilized, who did not understand the need for their participation in the conflict and its essence. Indicates cases when fighters, having the opportunity to hit the enemy, did not use weapons because of fear.

Of course, conclusions should be drawn from this analysis made by the military correspondents in order to further reduce the risk of our soldiers being captured by the enemy.
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  1. +7
    January 13 2023
    The question is serious. I would not really trust the opinion of military correspondents.
    1. +22
      January 13 2023
      Quote: AlexGa
      The question is serious. I would not really trust the opinion of military correspondents.

      It is clear that here "all the cards" are in the hands of the counterintelligence, it is now their direct duty to establish the reasons for the surrender, to identify those whom the SBU and the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to recruit.
      But so far, the only thing the military correspondents are right about is the number of our exchange fighters, and it almost falls short of 1200 people. And if we have data, how much more data do they have of ours?
      1. +3
        January 13 2023
        And if we have data, how much more data do they have of ours?

        No one has yet canceled BChS in a day.
        1. +1
          January 14 2023
          How much there is still not known, and no one will say out of political correctness. But if you look back and figure out how much has already been changed .... to be honest, I have already asked this question several times. The number is scary. "Effectively" "commanded" it must be said at the beginning of the NWO.
      2. 0
        January 16 2023
        A couple of weeks ago, somewhere among the military correspondents, a figure of at least 500 people flashed, but you yourself understand that such data cannot be trusted ...
    2. +6
      January 13 2023
      The question is serious.

      Even very serious. There will always be prisoners, in all wars, the main thing is to draw conclusions and minimize their numbers. Therefore, any opinion and analysis is important here, especially from military correspondents. They work directly on the ground, in the thick of things. Now, several working groups are working under the President of Russia, specifically on the issues of NWO, I think this issue will be discussed there as well. We will not decide anything here , we will only stir up the Society .
      1. -10
        January 13 2023
        Quote: Vyacheslav57
        Now, several working groups are working under the President of Russia, specifically on the issues of NWO, I think this issue will be discussed there as well

        Will they issue a royal decree forbidding surrender?
        1. -1
          January 13 2023
          Will they issue a royal decree forbidding surrender?

          No order is needed. In September, amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation were adopted. For voluntary surrender, if I'm not mistaken, 10 years of strict regime and the possibility of half the term of leaving for the UFIs was canceled.
          1. +8
            January 13 2023
            General mode.
            For a serious crime (up to 10 years) they go to the general regime.
        2. +1
          January 14 2023
          In addition to working groups under the President of the Russian Federation, it is necessary to create a working group of military psychologists under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and study this problem thoroughly in order to avoid something like this in the future. But it is quite obvious that when training fighters, more attention should be paid to moral and psychological preparation and their behavior in difficult situations.
    3. +3
      January 13 2023
      Why? More details between. Still, they are more often on the front line.
      1. +4
        January 13 2023
        Why? More details between.

        There are many reasons. The military commander is an unofficial person and expresses what he sees with his own eyes according to his understanding. This is his purely personal opinion. Let me explain my attitude towards them. When the events took place in Minsk, some of the Russian correspondents conducted their reports from the ranks of the BChBeshnaya riffraff, telling everyone how the "light" forces are fighting the "Lukashenko regime, if desired, footage of the detention of one of the current military correspondents in the Donbass. So there is not much faith in them, yes and bloggers are like that, they say what listeners like. And remember the work of correspondents on Dubrovka and the captured maternity hospital in the Caucasus, the spirits directly said that they knew from the TV what was going on around them. Please note that there are no military correspondents in the units of the Armed Forces In a war, events are buried from coverage by the masses.Something like this, I think.
        1. +14
          January 13 2023
          And who then to trust? Mr. Konashenkov, who has already destroyed the entire Ukrainian aviation several times?
    4. -2
      January 13 2023
      Quote: AlexGa
      The question is serious. I would not really trust the opinion of military correspondents.

      So well, it's much more pleasant to trust fantasies on the topic "great and invincible, truly the second in the world."
      1. +3
        January 13 2023
        In Moscow in 1941, for spreading panic rumors, they were shot without trial or investigation. So, not everything can be said at a time when your army is at war.
        1. +14
          January 13 2023
          Quote: AlexGa
          In Moscow in 1941, for spreading panic rumors, they were shot without trial or investigation. So, not everything can be said at a time when your army is at war.

          I see lately it has become fashionable to draw parallels between the rat graters of the NWO and the Second World War. What would they have done in 1941 with those incompetent idiots in command posts? Probably like now - they were awarded and promoted?
          1. -4
            January 13 2023
            with those incompetent idiots in command posts

            Have you entrusted the right to determine incompetence to yourself?
            1. +11
              January 13 2023
              Quote: AlexGa
              Have you entrusted the right to determine incompetence to yourself?

              I place the right to define incompetence on the lack of results.
          2. -1
            January 13 2023
            And what would they do? That's what they did to Kulik for leaving Kerch without permission, I'm interested to hear.
            1. +7
              January 13 2023
              Quote: Alexander Salenko
              And what would they do? That's what they did to Kulik for leaving Kerch without permission, I'm interested to hear.

              They were deprived by court decision of the title, Hero, Field Marshal and awards. Is Google broken on your phone? You could see for yourself.
            2. 0
              January 17 2023
              Well, they screwed up in the end. But this marshal did trouble, like a real fascist.
          3. -2
            January 14 2023
            In the forty-first, remember Pavlov Leverkov was shot .. and then they came to their senses, but then who should fight? And the Trotskyist zhorka butcher was not shot.
            Another question is that we are fighting for a year, where are the freshly appeared military geniuses from the bottom? And then these red bears have already got it from the depths of the Ministry of Defense ...
            1. +4
              January 14 2023
              Where are the new Zhukovs, Rokosovskys, Chernyakhovskys? What impoverished the Russian land? No, it has not become poor, but everything is simple - our Chief did not need professionals, but lackeys turned out to be in demand.
              1. -4
                January 15 2023
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Where are the new Zhukovs
                - who blew the beginning of the war and lost only 200 near Minsk in 000 days?
                Yep, nice replacement...
                Rkossovskys are needed, but blockheads like Zhukov are not needed for nothing, they are already full ....
                1. +3
                  January 15 2023
                  who blew the start of the war

                  It was Pavlov who blew both the beginning and 200.
                  There were directives dated June 18 that Pavlov did not fulfill, but for example, Liepaja's defense hero, General Dedayev, complied
                  even a day before the start of the war, N. Dedaev gave the order to withdraw troops from the barracks for exercises and disperse them 15-25 km around the city. Thus, the first wave of fascist bombers bombed the empty barracks of the garrison.
            2. 0
              January 17 2023
              Did the Ukrainians tell you about the "zhorka"? Or domestic liberal military "analysts".
          4. 0
            January 15 2023
            In the Second World War, the fighter knew what he was fighting for. There was motivation, there was ideology.
            And now, what motivation should a mobilized citizen have? Who has everything left in civilian life.

            What are the goals of SVO.
            Why are they throwing him, and not the military personnel who are sitting in the districts,
            Will they use another gesture of goodwill, depreciating everything that was won back at a great cost,
            And he will also look at how deputies warm their belly in Mexico, while ordinary men are in the trenches.
            In general, I think that not all mobilized are ready to "stand to the end."
            1. 0
              January 17 2023
              Motivation appeared only when they found out what the Germans were doing with prisoners, and in the summer of 41 they were taken prisoner calmly.
    5. +3
      January 13 2023
      lack of staff officers. In units formed from mobilized, reservists become commanders, half of whom do not have the skills to manage personnel. In battle, they are unable to assess the situation and give the necessary orders, due to the lack of which the soldiers become a disorganized mass.

      I agree with them 100% here.
      1. +1
        January 13 2023
        So this is the key phrase! It seems that VO does not raise this topic for fear of getting a hat. The lack of a competent middle link has always been one of the main problems in civilian life. Maybe it's time to revive the "courses" for the training of junior command personnel?
        1. -2
          January 14 2023
          If there are no officers who will lead the soldiers into battle, it was necessary to immediately start throwing special ammunition
      2. SIT
        +7
        January 14 2023
        Quote: maksbazhin
        lack of staff officers. In units formed from mobilized, reservists become commanders, half of whom do not have the skills to manage personnel. In battle, they are unable to assess the situation and give the necessary orders, due to the lack of which the soldiers become a disorganized mass.

        I agree with them 100% here.

        Yes? There is no communication with the command. Who the hell should be the neighbors on the right and on the left, no one brought him up. Map 2 layout, according to which the hell you will understand where you are, and you see the area for the 1st time in your life. The enemy looks exactly like you and speaks the same language. Tanks on both sides are Soviet, and T72 from T64 in the distance at dusk, try to distinguish. Well, what orders to give in this case? To score on everything and take up all-round defense?
        1. +1
          January 15 2023
          The first comment from those read, which indicates at least a small part of the real reasons for what is happening ... Plus
    6. -1
      January 15 2023
      This is not the opinion of military correspondents, these are statistics. Among the volunteers, half go to earn some money and receive some kind of benefits.
      We called them rubbish people or ,, I wouldn’t go on reconnaissance with such ,,. These have always been. Well, the last 30-35 years have generally produced human material that can hardly be called people. Moral qualities at a plinth. Well, there are enough commanders. Every second fighter from the LDNR who has gone through battles since 2014-2015 and is still fighting is considered to be one and will give odds to a number of military men.
      But the military correspondents do not agree on something. Many prisoners in camouflage are not military, but civilians, captured for one reason or another by the SBU or the Armed Forces of Ukraine and passed off as military men to rescue their own. These are up to 50 percent somewhere. There was a video of conversations with such transferred as prisoners of war. The children participated in the voting in referendums. With the arrival of the Ukrainians on the territory, someone passed them. They were put in the dungeons and then put in exchange. And ours accept everyone as prisoners of war. Consider often saving their lives
  2. +13
    January 13 2023
    It is necessary to advance and defeat the enemy, then there will be fewer prisoners. And to blame the prisoners for the fact that they themselves surrendered to captivity, regardless of the situation, we have already gone through this. "a soldier of the Red Army does not surrender" the prisoners are considered suspicious, etc. It is necessary to understand in each specific case. Maybe someone ran out of BC, maybe they left him surrounded, maybe he got wounded. The experience of the Great Patriotic War was supposed to teach respect for all fighters. For example, I know cases when pilots were captured, shot down during a sortie. how is it with them? Is the lack of officer cadres to blame or low motivation? Not! it's just that in combat there are all sorts of situations!
    1. +1
      January 14 2023
      Of course, it is necessary to understand each individual case, especially those where there were human casualties (in particular, where 12 of our soldiers who surrendered were shot)
  3. +2
    January 13 2023
    Conclusions ... what? There were no faint of heart in the Second World War or everyone was 100% motivated. But it’s nothing that often, only the rank and file held the defense or advanced without commanders, who were knocked out in the first minutes of the battle ..... Conclusions .... what?
    1. +8
      January 13 2023
      Quote from uprun
      There were no faint of heart in the Second World War or everyone was 100% motivated. But it’s nothing that often, only the rank and file held the defense or advanced without commanders, who were knocked out in the first minutes of the battle ..... Conclusions .... what?

      Have you ever seen statistics on prisoners of war in WWII?
    2. +12
      January 13 2023
      The conclusions are that there is no need to start, since the number of professional army was not enough, and of those that were, many fled. Mobilized is why to stand to death?
      1. -3
        January 15 2023
        That's what I was talking about.
        The mobilized have no motivation to stand to the end. And I understand them.
    3. +7
      January 14 2023
      Motivation is acquired over the years of life. The children of the revolutionaries entered the Second World War, and the participants in the Civil War themselves were old men. What happened in our time? They introduced the idea that the main thing in a person is his personal life Not the fate of his kind and country. Not the great petty became the main thing.
      Although, for the sake of truth, I must say, in the Second World War there were those who surrendered with unused BC.
      1. +1
        January 15 2023
        Sorry.
        Do not compare the Second World War and the present time.
        Now they are shouting in the media that everything is for the front and victory.
        But for some reason, ordinary men are in the trenches. And the sovereign people, and just people, relax in the Canary Islands, take selfies on Instagram, sit in restaurants.
    4. +2
      January 14 2023
      On the topic of 100% motivated during the Great Patriotic War, I would argue .... Hundreds of tens of thousands surrendered until information came out about what the Germans were doing with prisoners .... That's when the people began to resist
  4. +5
    January 13 2023
    And all these reasons boil down to the lack of ingenuity and resourcefulness of our commanders.
    I ask you to understand me correctly, the officers are literate, they have been taught everything they should, they just apply their science anyhow.
    And here the words of the unforgettable foreman Vaskov come to mind: - "WAR, IT'S NOT WHO SHOOTS WHOM, BUT WHO CHANGES WHO'S MIND."
    And there are really a lot of prisoners, not too many, no matter how hard it was at the front.
    1. +4
      January 13 2023
      At least the second reason is a consequence of the lack of normal communication. Should its officers invent?
      1. -5
        January 14 2023
        Everything has been invented a long time ago, pay attention to the dovecote, no matter how tattered it is, but they are never demolished, and for the last six months they have begun to repair and bring it into line ... It looks like radio communication, and even more so wired, there is no longer any great hope
  5. +22
    January 13 2023
    In war, there is even something that never happens at all. It is practically impossible to predict who and when will become a hero, and who will be captured. Especially in this strange military operation with "regroupings" and goodwill gestures. One thing should not be for sure - all those who were captured should be indiscriminately considered cowards and traitors. Each case is purely individual.
  6. +12
    January 13 2023
    Motivation. The only argument for or against. The rest is demagogy. And attempts to compare the Second World War with the NWO are simply blasphemous, IMHO.
    1. +4
      January 14 2023
      I support that the main thing is personal motivation. And about comparing with the Second World War, I did not understand. Why not compare? It also means to equate!
  7. +20
    January 13 2023
    Full truth. My company logistician, my airborne broker. My department is miners. Luckily they are from the same team. Therefore, there was at least some coordination at the level of the department. And my kids are all right.
    1. +2
      January 14 2023
      Quote: Anton Tabunov
      My company logistician, my airborne broker. My department is miners. Luckily they are from the same team. Therefore, there was at least some coordination at the level of the department.

      The principle of the Cossack military unit Yes
  8. +2
    January 13 2023
    Quote: voice of reason
    accuse the prisoners of being surrendered themselves Regardless of the situation, we've been through this before...
    And you open the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and Art. 352.1. Voluntary surrender (if Article 275 is not burdened with treason), then from 3 to 5 years. And note that you started talking about voluntary surrender, so you should not equate this with being captured as a result of a wound, etc. And in each case, of course, it is necessary to deal with it without bias and taking into account the situation at that time.
    1. for
      +1
      January 13 2023
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And you open the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and Art. 352.1. Voluntary surrender

      And where is the line of "voluntariness". To give out an ampoule with poison, to determine if it didn’t poison you. volunteer
    2. -2
      January 13 2023
      Well, that is, if you are not wounded, but surrendered for another reason, then all the damned traitor?
      1. +6
        January 14 2023
        Quote: Kronos
        if you are not injured, but surrendered for another reason

        Which one exactly?
  9. +1
    January 13 2023
    And those fighters who will demand that they be taught to fight will be given a term of five years.
    1. +10
      January 13 2023
      Quote: Gardamir
      And those fighters who will demand that they be taught to fight will be given a term of five years.

      How about hitting an officer? Not even an officer, but a person put in command, what is this? If every fighter starts pumping his rights with a massacre, what is it, an army?
      1. +7
        January 13 2023
        How about hitting an officer?
        Hope you saw the video. the so-called officer of the first hand dismissed. and Then the price of this officer is worthless if discipline cannot be established. And you wondered how many people who arrived at the front line died because of such officers. For which training mobilized to unhook
      2. +4
        January 14 2023
        Forgive me for the fact that the video was not the commander unambiguously.
        Pagons on the shoulders yes, officer yes, commander no.
    2. -1
      January 15 2023
      The trouble is that a lot of fighters under 50 and it’s too late to teach them to fight - they don’t pull purely physically. And there is also a moral-volitional aspect, and the mental abilities of people also differ in a very wide range. And it is customary for us to demand from everyone indiscriminately.
    3. +2
      January 15 2023
      Quote: Gardamir
      And those fighters who will demand that they be taught to fight will be given a term of five years.

      I wonder how quickly a fighter in the Second World War who came for something would be in a ravine require to the regimental commander?
  10. +2
    January 13 2023
    The third reason is the lack of strong-willed determination in some fighters. Problems with motivation concern mainly the part of the volunteers who decided to earn extra money at the front, and those mobilized, who did not understand the need for their participation in the conflict and its essence. Cases are indicated when fighters, having the opportunity to hit the enemy, did not use weapons because of fear.

    This is once again about the preparation of the mobilized. Not only the ability to use weapons, but also motivation, preparation of the psyche, and elementary testing.
    I had a couple of believers in my unit. It’s good that at least they didn’t refuse to fill the horns with cartridges
    1. +1
      January 14 2023
      Believers quite served themselves before and did not care about their beliefs.
      A normal believer should and even is obliged to defend his country, and at the moment, in connection with the persecution of faith, simply go to the military registration and enlistment office in droves to defend the faith.
      1. +4
        January 14 2023
        and at the moment, in connection with the persecution of faith, they simply go to the military registration and enlistment offices in droves to defend their faith.

        Introduced slender women's battalions in headscarves
    2. +1
      January 15 2023
      It's not just about preparation. If the commander is not next to you, but is watching you from a drone, and chasing you on the radio, will this greatly increase morale? Moreover, you see the area, like most of your comrades-in-arms, for the first time in your life, and your "native" unit is scattered, say, in five different positions (.
  11. Two
    0
    January 13 2023
    hi Article about nothing! The reasons for the capture were not disclosed.
  12. -10
    January 13 2023
    These "Voyenkorov" must be caught and handed over to the military counterintelligence, or to the military police.
    It is likely that these are employees of the CIPSO.
  13. -2
    January 13 2023
    Recently, footage was shown on the central channel where one fighter fires at the enemy, he runs out of ammunition and he retreats to his own asking for ammunition. Not only do they ignore their own, but just skerry behind shelters, do not attempt to shoot in the direction of the enemy. The fighter curses them, demands to shoot at the enemy, to do something, but they only huddle against each other behind the wall and sit like paralyzed, there are many of them 10-15 people. The fighter runs back into the depths, and finds zinc with cartridges, where another fighter sits and fills magazines. He gives GG stuffed stores ... this video ends. What is the probability of being captured by these fearful fighters? Who are they? Judging by the visible elements of equipment and ammunition, these are not mobilized yesterday, who were collected from the world one by one.
    1. +3
      January 14 2023
      However! Are you lying? Enter the date and transmission to check. And it's very similar to getting along from you.
    2. +4
      January 14 2023
      Quote from splin44
      Recently, footage was shown on the central channel where one fighter fires at the enemy, he runs out of ammunition and he retreats to his own asking for ammunition. Not only do your own people ignore him, but also simply do not make attempts to shoot in the direction of the enemy. The fighter curses them, demands to shoot at the enemy, to do something, but they only huddle against each other behind the wall and sit like paralyzed, there are many of them 10-15 people. The fighter runs back into the depths, and finds zinc with cartridges, where another fighter sits and fills magazines. He gives GG stuffed stores ... this video ends. What is the probability of being captured by these intimidated fighters? Who are they? Judging by the visible elements of equipment and ammunition, these are not mobilized yesterday, who were collected from the world one by one.

      Well it's all clear winked video reasoning at the level of Sun Tzu (Chinese strategist and thinker).
      Who is he to give him his ammunition and where to shoot if you do not see the target in your sector (even additional)? fool
      They do it very right
      Quote from splin44
      just sneak behind cover
      Do you know how long it takes to empty a 30 round magazine? That's right, three seconds.
      Everyone knows where you can replenish the BC.
    3. +1
      January 14 2023
      I saw this video too. and the one that was filmed by the one who then fills the shops. how he wanted to capture 2 vushniks, but they decided otherwise and he flunked them both. so don’t drive a wave off the sofa ... by the way, trophy zinc in that trench
    4. 0
      January 15 2023
      Yes, that is right. 1-2 in the squad are fighting the rest in prostration lie in the trenches in anticipation of either death or perhaps it will blow over.
  14. +3
    January 13 2023
    You can say anything. Only for the whole world they themselves spun a video with the surrender of our soldiers and subsequent execution.
  15. -6
    January 13 2023
    Quote: Alexander Terentyev
    These "Voyenkorov" must be caught and handed over to the military counterintelligence, or to the military police.
    It is likely that these are employees of the CIPSO.

    We do not have military officers in the army in the state. And those who call themselves "commanders" are impostors (they called themselves from the word "themselves"). Nobody taught them this job. On my own mind. Who, what, much. And the more "him" in the cell, the cooler he is. There are no obligations. There is no responsibility. Look at Sladkov. The camera is on a long tripod and its entire "muzzle of the face" is in full TV screen. Speech is underdeveloped - cannot connect two words. Instead of using the camera to scan the surrounding area, showing us carefully all the subtleties, he shows his face. Fuck (plant), we need it in the screen. We need the environment around and the right related interesting speech. And how many of these are on the screen ... They even invite you to TV. Is this the color of our reporting?
  16. +4
    January 13 2023
    Among the reasons for the surrender is the lack of regular officers.


    Something is not visible in the efforts of the authorities to recreate military schools. At least the most necessary: ​​artillery, tanks, communications. Shortened curriculum.
    Officers do not appear by spontaneous generation or budding.
    1. +3
      January 13 2023
      Not for this closed to recreate. Everything goes according to plan. Don't you understand yet?
  17. -10
    January 13 2023
    There are three categories of prisoners.
    1. Who got wounded or something like that - there are no questions about those.
    2. Those who surrendered themselves - there are no questions about those either, but with the opposite sign.
    3. Who was afraid of death or just scared ... I don’t know what to do with these. Can castrate? Because they are not men.
    1. +2
      January 14 2023
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      There are three categories of prisoners.
      1. Who got wounded or something like that - there are no questions about those.
      2. Those who surrendered themselves - there are no questions about those either, but with the opposite sign.
      3. Who was afraid of death or just scared ... I don’t know what to do with these. Can castrate? Because they are not men.

      For the committed offenses of a soldier, only a military court can judge.
  18. +2
    January 13 2023
    Our military correspondents are engaged in analytics). In fact, this is positive, albeit superficially, but at least someone should somehow explain something.
    I think both the military counterintelligence and the command own the situation much deeper, but they cannot share their conclusions with us, this is already from the realm of state secrets.
    1. +5
      January 14 2023
      Quote: Andron78
      Our military correspondents are engaged in analytics). In fact, this is positive, albeit superficially, but at least someone should somehow explain something.
      I think both the military counterintelligence and the command own the situation much deeper, but they cannot share their conclusions with us, this is already from the realm of state secrets.

      I remember the first thing the United States did during Operation Desert Storm was to isolate all correspondents from information.
  19. +1
    January 14 2023
    After the last transfer of prisoners, one of the released - clean and without signs of beating, said that he had been in captivity for 10 days. Before that, I had complete sympathy for our prisoners. But then doubts arose.
    Surrender panicking? To avoid this, it is necessary to introduce new units in the defense gradually, mixing with experienced ones.
    1. +4
      January 14 2023
      Quote: shamil
      But then doubts arose.

      That is to say the least.
      For me, the attempt by some state figures, and the media, is generally incomprehensible ... to make heroes out of prisoners, for whom a pre-investigation check was not even carried out.
      Or maybe he committed a crime before surrendering or was recruited by the enemy more than once.
  20. 0
    January 14 2023
    I don’t understand at all, yes, I’m not there, but it’s wild for me, one of our guys sacrifices himself for the sake of fellow soldiers, and someone just surrenders, reminiscent of 41-43. But I'm not talking about the wounded.
  21. +2
    January 14 2023
    During the Second World War, of course, there were different formations, but if possible, commanders and fighters with real combat experience should be added to the unfired ones. This has been done before, and this is how it should be done now.
  22. +2
    January 14 2023
    I had to sit in the district military enlistment office in 1981, there was a blockage - the veterans of the Great Patriotic War were changing their certificates. He made extracts from personal files. I read, among other things, the papers of those released from captivity, in the end, by the date of being captured, I could tell WHERE it happened. Yes, I was in the officers' accounting department. Typical entries in the file and military ID:
    ..... July 1941 - lieutenant, appointed commander of an anti-tank rifle platoon ..... regiment ... division ..
    ...... 24.09.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX (obviously - Kyiv) - was captured.
    ..... 1941 - April 1945 - worked at a mine in Bremen (conditionally), released by American troops.
    MAY - AUGUST 1945 - SHOOTER (?????) of the 127th reserve regiment.
    August 28, 1945 - commander of the 3rd battery of the 14th division of the 15th rifle division of the Volga military district.
    ALL of them were not driven to the Gulag, but to the reserve regiments for verification - how did you get captured, what did you do there, were there those who collaborated with the Germans?
    I talked to them - how was it in this regiment? They say that they were fed according to the 2nd rear nome (nasty) and drill drills. For 3 months, they called me in for interrogations three or four times. Neither the kidneys beat off, nor the needles under the nails.
    Then they served as officers, although they didn’t make a special career - the army was sharply reduced.
    HERE AND NOW I think that all these exchanged people will be driven through the filter.
    with the right conclusions.
    And do you remember, recently 11 of our "heroes" of the DVUM surrendered to Ukrainians?
    And the Ukrainians were indignant that they dishonor the title of Russian soldiers.
    And they shot them the fuck for educational purposes.
  23. +3
    January 14 2023
    mobilized who did not understand the need for their participation in the conflict and its essence


    Where did they get this understanding from? In adults, sometimes already middle-aged men, who were suddenly torn from their wives and children, from home and work, and sent into a cold trench under artillery fire. Has anyone explained to them the need for their participation in the conflict? No, when at the very beginning they talked about denazification and demilitarization, they assured that there was no such need and swore they would not go to war. And then they continuously told how the operation was going strictly according to plan, ahead of schedule. And then all of a sudden, without admitting a single mistake, not a single defeat, without even moderating optimism in the slightest, they suddenly demand 300 civilians for the front.
    1. 0
      January 14 2023
      and then "suddenly" everyone, well, except Vucic, decided to supply Javelins and Chimeras instead of helmets and shovels? After that, SUDDENLY, it started: failures in the NWO and the need for mobilization.
    2. 0
      January 15 2023
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      mobilized who did not understand the need for their participation in the conflict and its essence


      Where did they get this understanding from? In adults, sometimes already middle-aged men, who were suddenly torn from their wives and children, from home and work, and sent into a cold trench under artillery fire. Has anyone explained to them the need for their participation in the conflict? No, when at the very beginning they talked about denazification and demilitarization, they assured that there was no such need and swore they would not go to war. And then they continuously told how the operation was going strictly according to plan, ahead of schedule. And then all of a sudden, without admitting a single mistake, not a single defeat, without even moderating optimism in the slightest, they suddenly demand 300 civilians for the front.

      Who are you writing about now? And then it’s not men who come out of your writing, but some kind of men ... mother’s sons.
  24. -1
    January 15 2023
    The reason is simple "You can not be a wolf - you will be a sheep" (corpse, captive)
    Most sheep for some reason think that their life is priceless, but they are greatly mistaken, the value of their precious life does not exceed the cost of berets on their feet or packs of cigarettes in their pockets.
  25. 0
    January 15 2023
    The shortage of officers is an important element of the problem, but there are probably no career sergeants who can be trained more in a short time. Such training must be organized as soon as possible. Ignorance needs to be addressed through the introduction of tablets and career sergeants.
  26. 0
    January 15 2023
    As indicated in their analysis, approximately 80% of the fighters who were captured were volunteers (35%) and called up from the reserve (45%).

    Who understood this paragraph?
    Deliberate confusion-abracadabra, as in the entire process of lighting SVO ....
    1. +1
      January 16 2023
      No matter how much you inform people like you, they don’t increase their awareness, and everyone around is to blame.
      80% of those captured are volunteers and called up from the reserve

      How can you not figure this out?
  27. +1
    January 17 2023
    Quote: Osiris
    working group of military psychologists
    Just not psychologists. These will again pester with questions, such as: "What dreams did you have before surrendering"? or "War is given to you by a dark cloud, a white sheep or a locomotive" lol

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