Finnish official: We must transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, but not many, since we ourselves border on Russia and must think about our security

An increasing number of Western countries are considering printing their tank arsenals in order to share part of them with the Ukrainian regime. Another proof that the demilitarization of Ukraine in terms of a significant "knocking out" of the existing arsenals of the Soviet and our own weapons for 10 months, a special military operation was carried out with great efficiency, despite the inappropriate scoffing of individual pseudo-experts.

Now in the West, realizing that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have almost exhausted their own arsenals, they are looking for options on how to share with the Kyiv regime what they themselves have in service. In particular, the Finnish parliament and government announced their readiness to consider the possibility of transferring Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

The statement was made by the chairman of the relevant committee - the defense committee - Antti Hakkyanen, who stated the need to share with Ukraine the Leopard 2 tanks, "which she needs so much today."

Hakkyanen:

If this practice spreads in Europe, then we must transfer a batch of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

At the same time, a Finnish official said that Finland's contribution "won't be big":

We need to transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, but not much, since we ourselves border Russia and we need to think about our own security and defense capability.

Comments

[Murmur 55]

A little in the understanding of this Finn is how much? The French launched a trial balloon, and since there will be no consequences for Paris, now everyone else will start sending a little, and a string from the world. So it’s time for ours to take countermeasures.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Murmur 55

A little in the understanding of this Finn is how much?

Exactly as much as the mattresses / Germans compensate them immediately.
They can also use other weapons.

[Sancheas]

For 2021, the SV was armed with 100 Leopard 2A6 tanks (+100 Leopard 2A4 in storage). 2A6, of course, will not be given. Rather, it will be about part 2A4 from storage. What condition they are in is unclear.

[Nikolay310]

what are the countermeasures? express concern? to strike even at the points of "changing shoes" of wheel sets, the harsh and plywood, apparently, is not able to ...

and go to heaven, in the hope that the Europeans will go to hell, such an offer ... (it is unlikely that they will accept the one who delivered the first nuclear strike to heaven ... no matter how intensely this character ALONE did not baptize his forehead on the night of 6 th to 7th)

in my opinion, it is time for the state to stop spreading its thoughts along the tree, and to announce the specific goals and objectives of the NWO for the population. and for these goals and objectives, try to call on at least volunteers and normally mobilize at least security officials, as people who know how to hold weapons. because in the mass sending to the front of people who have seen a machine gun twice in their lives, it makes little sense ... and they have no motivation ... to die for conditional Kherson, bearing in mind that tomorrow Erdogan will call and your feat and your blood will be betrayed- such a...

but in fact now they don’t even say whether Kherson will be returned or, according to Zatulin’s terminology, it is “incomprehensible and recently annexed” ...

[Oleg Ogorod]

You can mobilize at least a million. Civil. Only they need to be dressed, put on shoes, equipped, armed, trained, regularly fed, washed, changed clothes, brought cartridges, shells, and generally provide military equipment. And it's not that easy. Recently held on a smaller scale.
In a country of corruption and nepotism at all levels, from the very bottom. And here the principle that the fish rots from the head is not true. They come to mind from below with established principles and mentality. Corruption and nepotism. And private property.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Nikolay310

what are the countermeasures? express concern? to strike even at the points of "changing shoes" of wheel sets, the harsh and plywood, apparently, is not able to ...

Will they be taken by sea? Intercept and drag the trough with tanks into St. Petersburg.

[donavi49]

The Finns have 30-50 tanks in service (A4), while the main MBT is the Dutch A6.

About 100 tanks in reserve.

They have Norway, out of 52 A4 leopards, about 20 are in service, the rest is in reserve.

There is Sweden, which converted to a reinforced A5, but they also have 20-40 A4 in reserve and cannibalism.

Here they are quite able to recreate the "Viking" on their own.

There is also Spain. The Germans also have about 80 Leo2A4 unsettled in the Republic of Moldova. In general, you can easily push 200-300 tanks.

[cold wind]

A4 is very outdated, if it is put stock it is not a very big problem. However, I think they are now working on a modernization package, Turkey, by the way, showed a variant of its modernization for a couple of years.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

A4 is very outdated, if it is put stock it is not a very big problem

So the bare T-72s are being transported and the T-62s are being modernized. Yes, Leo can be wound up very well, but even in the modifications of the 90s he is not much of a T-62.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

There is also Spain. Even the Germans in the Republic of Moldova have about 80 Leo2A4 unsettled

It seems that Switzerland still has 200 pieces. They will not give Ukraine, but it is quite possible for circular deliveries.

[VLAD-96]

We have been waiting for countermeasures since March of that year, but things are still there .. As if the Kremlin lives in another dimension .. And the fact that our guys suffer because of this and shed blood on the front line does not bother them at all! Because of this, I lost respect for our government.

[Yves762]

For what is available - still understandable.
And what about the bourgeoisie with the military-industrial complex ???

[Mihail0221]

proof that the demilitarization of Ukraine in terms of a significant "knocking out" of the existing arsenals of Soviet and domestic weapons in 10 months of a special military operation was carried out with great efficiency, despite the inappropriate snickering of individual pseudo-experts.

Yes, this is understandable. And the fact that they will grunt, well, how without it ... There are many "experts" out there.

[Negro]

Quote: Michael0221

proof that the demilitarization of Ukraine in terms of a significant "knocking out" of the existing arsenals of Soviet and domestic weapons in 10 months of a special military operation was carried out with great efficiency, despite the inappropriate snickering of individual pseudo-experts.

Yes, this is understandable. And the fact that they will grunt, well, how could it be without it ... there are a lot of such "experts" here.

)))
They organized an accelerated replacement of Soviet weapons, in not the best condition, with NATO ones. On average, newer, and in some cases - the latest.

Well done.

[ZIF122]

Well, 80 years have passed and again it looks like German tanks will crawl across Ukraine! Until they burn! Their history teaches nothing!

[Diana Ilyina]

So the truth does not teach. Remember, every hundred years Europe gathers in a heap and goes to Russia, expectedly rakes and crawls away for a hundred years to lick its wounds. They have such a tradition, we have people go to the bathhouse, and they have people to rake, what to take from them?

[alexoff]

History has taught them that under the wing of Uncle Sam, you can not answer for your crimes. In extreme cases, you can live to a ripe old age like Mengele in Argentina and not be afraid of the type of Israeli avengers, who, in fact, took revenge once.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

So, now 27 countries are at war with us (NATO + Ukraine), this is more than serious. True, there are still 224 countries with us in the world, most of which are simply ridiculous to take seriously, but there are still three or four dozen countries that are not interested in losing to Russia. And now it turns out to be an interesting alignment - it seems to me that with this war the United States is going to bleed and bury NATO, give Europe to be torn to pieces by Asian countries and get some kind of profit from this, the idea and appearance of which are still vague. But in fact - the United States disarms Europe. Everything is more wonderful and wonderful (c)

[donavi49]

Well, what are three or four dozen?

Hungary-Belarus-Abkhazia-Ossetia-Iran?

Look at the UN vote. Well, it's just a button press. Also, there is no queue of arms suppliers, except for Iran. Also, it is not very visible who want to lend a shoulder in the economy, the supply of critical components. Even China has taken the most cautious position. Modi has completely abandoned the annual face-to-face meeting. I won’t be surprised if this year they open arms supplies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Victor777]

The Turks also want a deferred payment for gas. Turkey is not an ally - it is waiting for what it will tend to and make the most of

[cold wind]

Only Russia and Ukraine are fighting, there are no other warring countries. Ukraine is supplied by 40+ countries of Ramstein and NATO has nothing to do with it at all, they disowned this war right away. We are supported only by Iran and Belarus. Nobody else cares about this war.
NATO without this war lost its meaning, but now it is only expanding. Europe is not disarming, but rearming, their military-industrial complex is being urgently reanimated.

[Diana Ilyina]

Isn't it necessary to lie so brazenly? Where would the Ruin be now without supplies from the West, without their all-seeing intelligence and without their type of "mercenaries", by the way, in no small number. So we are at war with NATO, and not with the Ruin. The ruin, for all their tenacity, would have blown away by summer. Because it is impossible to fight without a rear. So stop singing these mantras about ukrocyborgs, I'm sick of such songs.

[donavi49]

Where would Vietnam be? That is, the USSR was at war with the USA? And where would we say Syria and Egypt in 73? That is, the USSR fought with Israel? Where would Angola be? That is, Cuba and the USSR fought with South Africa? And where would Iraq be by the year 82? That is, the USSR fought against Iran for Saddam, and together with Reagan and Mitterrand!

Military supplies, economic support of interest has been practiced since the ancient world. And it's silly to be surprised now.

[Diana Ilyina]

So yes, the USSR fought with the FSA and it was called the Cold War, if you don't know.

[donavi49]

Well, NATO and the United States now have Russia in their documents as an adversary. Therefore, what's the point of being surprised at their completely logical position and supplies? Rather, one should be surprised that there are still no KMP Cobras and Vipers with Helfires in the night, F-16s and other things. That is, with regard to my examples (Vietnam, Syria-Egypt, Angola, Iraq in the Iranian-Iraqi), they seriously underestimate.

[Vadim Zhivov]

These have 100% supply. Who else had it I can't remember

[donavi49]

What? Did Angola find tanks, planes, helicopters and ammunition in the trees? There, too, there was 100% supply of Cuba and the USSR. Syria in 73 - 100% supply of the eastern bloc (Germany allocated 12 MiG-21s in the modification of the interceptor, 4 MiG-23ML flew from the USSR - this is how the modernized F-22 came today, a sea bridge was organized under the cover of the forces of the fleet and an air bridge for 1000 aircraft -An12 and An22 sorties, Squares materialized in Syria en masse, infantry fighting vehicles, raised the Soviet air defense automated control system, etc.). Vietnam also did not find MiGs and S-75s in the jungle. But, there, deliveries were also shared with China and other allies (however, in the context of the collision, everything is logical, just as what thread Portugal or Slovenia is now supplying weapons)

[Vadim Zhivov]

I remember your flag. Do not compare Africa and Europe. This is a war on my doorstep. NATO war against Russia by your hands. A war against a nuclear power is not Vietnam or Angola. Putin was going to negotiate to the last, so that's all now. That's what surprises me. I hope I answered you

[Oleg Ogorod]

Europe and NATO, and even more so the United States, this war is very beneficial. What can not be said about Russia and Ukraine. But the centuries-old dream of Europe came true, so that Ukrainians and Russians fought among themselves on their territory. Killing each other, destroying their economies. Then they will need Ukraine as an agrofield, so the destroyed cities and industrial enterprises will not interfere with this at all, they will only help, since there will be few people left to live there, and a lot is not needed for an agrofield.
They need Russia as a benzo-gas-column, well, the forest is still there, other minerals. There is just enough population to pump gas and oil, and cut the forest.

[ratoborets]

NATO without this war lost its meaning, but now it is only expanding.

It lost so much that after the collapse of the USSR it expanded to the East, including Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, East Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Albania, North Macedonia.
And if Mishiko had not taken it into his head to arrange the genocide of Ossetians in 2008, and Russia had not stood up, then Georgia would have been in NATO.
And if it were not for the SVO in 2022, then Ukraine would be in NATO with NATO bases and nuclear warheads near Moscow.
Moreover, Montenegro entered in 2017, and North Macedonia in 2020. This is probably how it lost its meaning and did not expand.

Ukraine is supplied by 40+ countries of Ramstein and NATO has nothing to do with it at all, they disowned this war right away.

This is the height of hypocrisy and cynicism.
There is an Anglo-Saxon empire represented by the US hegemon, as well as Britain, Canada, Australia, and to a lesser extent New Zealand. Rest
- or vassals
- or joined the strong
- either useful fools (useful idiots). It's like Lithuania, which destroyed its own energy and industry, lost 30% of the population, but to spite the Russians.
- or a combination of the above.

And if it were not for the Anglo-Saxon empire and its interests, then most of the 40 countries would not care about Ukraine, what is happening there or to whom it belongs. And it would be beneficial for Germany or France in general to maintain normal relations with Russia and receive gas directly without beggars (Ukraine) and the watchdog of the United States (Poland), who constantly put spokes in the wheels of gas transit and unhindered fulfillment of contracts, despite the fact that they themselves earn there are billions of dollars on it.

Only Russia and Ukraine are fighting, there are no other warring countries.

The only one where I agree with you. NATO is at war with Russia through a proxy (Ukraine), where Ukraine provides meat-soldiers, NATO - weapons.
The only real deterrent to a direct NATO attack is nuclear weapons and the possibility of their use. If it were not for nuclear weapons, then in the event of a direct collision it would be very, very difficult: they have 3.3 million soldiers, thousands of tanks in storage with the Americans in the desert, a strong fleet (the United States has 11 or 12 aircraft carriers. Each aircraft carrier is not just a ship, but a whole support group to escort, so that it would not be like with the Moscow cruiser), a huge amount of aviation, an advantage in UAVs and modern weapons.

[Negro]

Quote from: ratoborets

then in the event of a direct collision it would be very, very difficult: they have 3.3 million soldiers, thousands of tanks in storage with the Americans in the desert, a strong fleet (the United States has 11 or 12 aircraft carriers. Each aircraft carrier is not just a ship, but a whole support group to accompany , so that it is not like with the Moscow cruiser), a huge amount of aviation, an advantage in UAVs and modern weapons.

)))
And why is all this wealth if the Russian Federation conducts its Desert Storm HERE AS we see it?

Quote from: ratoborets

It lost so much that after the collapse of the USSR it expanded

Exactly. NATO was created as a military command similar to the WWII SES (and by the same people), but became some kind of knitting circle. These new members for 20 years have not even switched to NATO weapons standards - which now turned out to be handy.

[Luka Nord]

Oh Finns Finns .. As they were fascist bedding, they remained ..
But the transfer of offensive weapons is, in fact, a declaration of war on Russia. Think about it carefully!

[Amateur]

The Finns will hand over the tanks to the Ukrainians, but what will the Russian Foreign Ministry do?
Will Zakharova express her concern and "disappear" with this, or will the Russian Federation terminate the agreement on the lease of the Saimaa Canal as a retaliatory measure?
If the Russian Federation through diplomatic channels would impose real sanctions on unfriendly countries, then some of them would not supply weapons, but would sit quietly and keep quiet.

[Negro]

Quote: Amateur

If the Russian Federation would impose real sanctions on unfriendly countries through diplomatic channels

And what kind of sanctions?

[K-50]

Finnish official: We must transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, but not many, since we ourselves border on Russia and must think about our security

For how many decades they have been earning money in Russia and in Russia, then why didn’t you squeal about the threat emanating from us?
Or how with low social responsibility under the owner were bent?
Fuck you, you filthy bastards!

[tralflot1832]

Bravo, Wagner's press service!!! You were printed in Norway, I didn't expect you!

[Tommy Calhoun]

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Quote: donavi49

The Germans also have about 80 Leo2A4 unsettled in the Republic of Moldova. In general, you can easily push 200-300 tanks.

The Germans have no free tanks, as far as I know. They give their Leo tanks to countries that give Ukraine their Soviet stocks of T - 72, T - 55, Poland, the Baltic states and other small things. They definitely don't have free tanks. Initially, it was said that the countries of Europe would give away their Soviet stocks, and in return receive NATO ones.

[Nikolaevich I]

Mdaaa ....! Fools ... they are everywhere (!) ... like Armenians! For some reason, these "particularly gifted" officials do not understand that the best way to "protect against the Russians" ... is not to send any weapons to Ukraine against Russia ... and in general, not to join any rubbish like NATO!

[alexoff]

Why are they afraid of Russians? That's how many Ukrainian officials or generals ours banged in 2022? Not at all! And the Americans will not stand on ceremony, a clerk may decide to commit suicide, and for ordinary Finns, a ship to liquefy LNG in the winter may explode, and no one will dare to blather. The example of the President of Haiti has taught many

[iouris]

Nyet, Hakkyanen! Nyet, Hakkyanen!
Finland's security has already been thought about. You will need tanks yourself. Most likely already this year. Finland is also Ukraine. One of.

[Vashek]

Leopards, with their weight over 60 tons, are made for fighting in Europe. On UA, they suffer in the mud, without bridges and roads. It is difficult to kill them, but they will die on their own.

[Codett]

I hope that we will get a trophy for the Cuban, but it would be nice to study