Incompetence and unwillingness to learn the experience of war as the main problem of our army

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Incompetence and unwillingness to learn the experience of war as the main problem of our army

Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything? Why is it that any issue that can and must be resolved by a not at all big commander or boss is not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?

Bungling, bordering on betrayal in Makiivka, when more than 200 people were out of action due to the fault of some slob with big stars. Of these, according to official figures, 89 were killed! The figures are not final, 50 people are still missing.



Over 200 motivated and trained fighters! More than 200 someone's fathers, husbands, children! They died before reaching the front. How could it happen that within reach not only the MLRS, but also the usual barrel artillery, the fighters were settled in one building? Moreover, for greater danger, placing ammunition and 5 tons of fuel in the same place.

I just learned that after the report on the incident, President Putin instructed the military and the Investigative Committee to conduct an investigation and present the results by January 6th. I’m wondering, does anyone in the operation zone doubt that there are a lot of traitors in the rear? That the civilian population is leaking information about our troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with might and main?

Only fools can consider the enemy a fool


The worst thing in the army is a stupid executive commander who considers the enemy a fool. 10 months of the war taught the personnel that there are no safe places on the front line and in the rear. As there are no places where you can refuse the regime of secrecy. As one of the participants in the SVO put it in a personal conversation, considering the enemy a fool is personally dangerous for oneself and criminal in relation to one's unit.

Any of those commanders who are now fighting in Ukraine will absolutely tell you the elementary rules for the deployment of personnel, weapons and fuel depots. They received this knowledge not from charters and instructions, the enemy also knows these charters very well, but with their own blood and the blood of their brothers.

I am sure that among those reading these lines there is a very small percentage of those who have never heard of the dangers of using smartphones and other electronic devices. I think that the soldiers also knew everything very well. So the version that the guidance happened precisely because of mobile phones, to put it mildly, looks silly.

But the version with local gunners deserves special attention. Already because somehow unexpectedly quickly a photograph of the destroyed vocational school building appeared in Ukrainian Internet resources. Yes, and the GUR MOU in his first message stated the same. The version is quite probable.

An even greater crime was committed by the commander who placed the equipment directly near the location of the personnel. What he was guided by is more or less clear. In the event of a combat alert, the crews could theoretically quickly bring equipment to a safe place. And practically? Equipment in the area of ​​​​artillery work is an excellent and even a priority target.

And finding such a target is quite easy even for satellites. Here is another version of events. Someone doubted that on holidays the enemy is activated? That he will look for any “weakness”, any opportunity for a resounding victory? Why is armored vehicles not such a goal?

Returning to the experience of the war and the skills of commanders and fighters, I will give an example of a recent attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on one of the units, described by one of the military correspondents in the Telegram channel.

"For example. The other day, one unit was attacked by the Armed Forces of Ukraine using drones and artillery. Men have been fighting for a long time, so they themselves spent the night in the basements, the equipment was buried. So in the end, we didn’t lose anything or anyone.”

The main enemy is incompetence


I am amazed at the attitude of some commanders towards the war, even after so many months of fighting. Some joke. Indifference. And the roots of this lie in the incompetence of commanders and chiefs. In self-assured incompetence. In the same principle known since Soviet times. I'm the boss - you're shit. You're the boss - I'm shit.

Sometimes I get the impression that officers arriving in a combat zone, even with combat experience in other conflicts, are completely unaware of the specifics of the NMD. And this war is really very different from those that were fought before. A sort of hybrid, reminiscent of the Second World War and at the same time using so many new methods and forms of database maintenance that the head is spinning.

Isn't it time to teach not only soldiers and sergeants, but also officers? To teach exactly what features of the enemy's actions were revealed during the operation. To learn from the examples of the work of the corps of the People's Republics and those units and subunits that have been fighting since the beginning of the operation. How many lives could we save if such courses were organized at the very beginning of the NWO ...

Completely delusional publications have already appeared that Russia decided to fill up Ukrainian army units with corpses and win the war this way. It is clear that this is the "work" of the Ukrainian special services. But surely there will be people who will believe in this nonsense. There will be those who will have thoughts about the weakness of our army.

One more thing. How will commanders and bosses look the president in the eye now? And not only those who are exemplary, for the sake of others, will be punished after January 6th. But also those whose direct duty is to look for talented and competent commanders and appoint them to the appropriate positions. After all, they framed the head of state to the fullest. President Putin very often talks about the highest priority - saving people!

Instead of conclusions


Peace to the ashes of the fallen soldiers and a speedy recovery to the wounded. Condolences to the families. And punishment for the guilty. Any crime, and this is a military crime during the period of hostilities, has a name, surname, position. There is no need to think that "the war will write everything off." One should not think that other events will help to forget the deaths of these servicemen.

The inability to learn from the war, to perceive the experience of combat operations and incompetence have been and remain the main problem of our army. And this problem should not be hushed up. She needs to decide! The concept, which is referred to in combat reports as "unnecessary losses in the zone of the operation," must disappear! The life of a soldier must be valued.

Well, for those who are now beginning to resent. Let me remind you the words of President Vladimir Putin:

“I ask you to take into account criticism and correctly, in a timely manner, respond to it. It is clear that the reaction of people who see problems, and problems in such a large, complex work, of course, always appear, such a reaction can be emotional. But, of course, we need to hear those who do not hush up the existing problems, but seek to contribute to their solution.”
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  1. +36
    5 January 2023 04: 46
    Of these, according to official figures, 78 were killed! The numbers are not final.

    89 already.
    Moreover, for greater danger, placing ammunition and 5 tons of fuel there ... there are no words.

    200 people sat on the powder keg and celebrated the New Year.
    What kind of army is this ... with such slobs.
    I understand, okay, ordinary civilians are still stupid and unbeaten ... but the commanders then looked where ... where was the regiment commander ... where were the higher authorities looking ... did they confuse the New Year's picnic with the war or something?
    We don’t have enough people for such a war ... to lose 200 people at once.
    I am a non-military person before the New Year, I said several times that there would be such dirty tricks ... and here our professional military are doing such stupid things ... it’s simply incomprehensible to the mind.
    And so it can be said that the British avenged their specialists recently destroyed by a missile strike with their favorite stealth method ... the ball is now on our side ... wait for the bastards to answer.
    1. +32
      5 January 2023 05: 33
      that officers arriving in the combat zone, even with combat experience in other conflicts, are completely unaware of the specifics of the NWO.

      Yes, and you don’t need to know the specifics! The Regulations say about dispersal under the threat of using high-precision weapons!
      1. +6
        5 January 2023 11: 02
        Yes, and you don’t need to know the specifics! The Regulations say about dispersal under the threat of using high-precision weapons!

        The specificity is that a dispersed division of 200 people in apartments, basements, dugouts, etc., becomes less manageable and requires much more control work from the command staff.
        ps. Alas, unattended fighters can go to the city for vodka or in search of a female, etc. With barracks content, this is almost non-existent.
        1. +14
          5 January 2023 14: 55
          Quote: Former soldier
          Alas, unattended fighters can go to the city for vodka or in search of a female, etc.

          And in the end, everyone will survive. Maybe with scratched muzzles and bruises under the eyes and a bouquet of veins. disease, but alive!
          1. 0
            5 January 2023 20: 02
            Alas, unattended fighters can go to the city for vodka or in search of a female, etc.

            And in the end, everyone will survive. Maybe with scratched muzzles and bruises under the eyes and a bouquet of veins. disease, but alive!


            Am I against it? But the command staff is not happy with the fact that all the time on the run to the points. I don’t know how right now with the walkie-talkies among the fighters, all the same, some kind of supervision.
            1. 0
              6 January 2023 19: 32
              For this, there seems to be a military police, commandant's offices and military tribunals, commanders, after all. As it was during the years of the Second World War, no one could even think of running away to the neighboring hut, to check on relatives whom he had not seen for 4 years, the same marshal did not stop by the neighboring village to his mother from the realities.
              1. +1
                8 January 2023 10: 53
                during the Second World War, no one could even think of running into a neighboring hut, checking relatives

                Far from it. Still had to hit. The well-known A. Shumilin took a ticket from the hospital and left for Moscow without permission, and there he also received rations without question. True, upon his return, a tribunal threatened.
        2. +2
          5 January 2023 17: 53
          Well, if they are at least dispersed with BC and fuel, then it will somehow be easier. And it’s possible to disperse not too far, yet the enemy still doesn’t have MOAB to cover the whole block in the village
        3. -4
          5 January 2023 18: 15
          AWOL is possible from any barracks. 200 people are two companies. If this is not a rallying point like at the military registration and enlistment office, then there should be a dozen officers and a couple of dozen sergeants, under whose leadership you can disperse at least a platoon, at least in departments. Despite the general skepticism, I would not rule out a tip on the array of mobile phones, remember Dudayev.
    2. +48
      5 January 2023 06: 01
      Everything that is written applies to people occupying a higher position in the country, well, are the events with Rogozin any different? Yes, no, everything is the same, and apparently it doesn’t teach anything, we still won’t understand that there is a war going on and gatherings with vodka with a wide feast end badly on the front line (((Blaming the rank and file mobilized is the last thing, I already wrote it was not a single unit, and the assembly point was responsible for the exchange of higher ranks with the participation of the local administration of the city, where it is possible that the waiting traitors dug in, and the soldiers are losing simply due to sloppiness (((not even in battle, not by combat losses. Reminded me of the events of January 1, 1995, Chechnya, the assault on Grozny, when the boys were sent into battle to please the drunken generals (((((((
      1. +40
        5 January 2023 06: 26
        Yes, we write correct articles and comments. The problem is that no one is responsible for anything. Guilty officers are probably not demoted to the rank of private. Officials are not deprived of their positions with a ban on occupying positions higher than a worker. Why do we only have career growth? And to lower to the status of a worker with a ban on being even a link or foreman? They write mobilized taught. And what were they taught? Were they in the role of game and in the role of a hunter in the exercise? They were shown how they take the direction of the radio exchange and how quickly the calculation covers the point? Did they themselves participate in this? When were they covered during the exercises and when did they cover the mock enemy? Probably not. And they were trained on paperwork. Ask the mobilized what they were taught. Surely many will say that they drank vodka, beat each other and made two hundredths out of each other even before the front. Then the question of military personnel. Where are they? Serdyukov's reform backfired. And the Germans after the Treaty of Versailles were able to keep the military personnel. Serdyukov also signed the humiliating Treaty of Versailles?! They gave him a hero for something.
        1. +52
          5 January 2023 07: 29
          It's good that we have Serdyukov. There is someone to write off all the "sins". If anything, Serdyukov resigned as Minister of Defense in 2012. Ten years ago!
          1. +16
            5 January 2023 07: 49
            . If anything, Serdyukov resigned as Minister of Defense in 2012. Ten years ago!
            So Serdyukov destroyed the army to the ground? So why hasn't she recovered since then? No wonder Shoigu just recently announced an increase in the size of the army. At first, he promised 12 military units until the 23rd year. Then add more. Where to get staff and equipment? Both in the military sphere and in production. The oligarchs are not seen to finance Russia, production and the army. Let's free the outskirts. Everything will have to be restored. Who will supply cement, rebar and much more? Individuals or the state? If private individuals, then all the profits will remain with them. If the state, then there will be funds for medicine, education, pensions, public places and so on. Or will we let a group of people get rich, or will we use funds for the interests of the country?
            1. +27
              5 January 2023 09: 24
              And how does Shoigu differ from Serdyukov, although he did not hang a marshal's star.
              1. 0
                9 January 2023 15: 27
                Under Shoigu, the army began to build up its composition back. Even before the start of the NMD, new directorates of several armies and corps were formed, in the ground forces 8 divisions were restored from brigades. The troops began to receive new and modernized equipment. The number of contractors has doubled. It's probably what makes him different.
            2. +4
              5 January 2023 20: 07
              Quote: North Caucasus
              The oligarchs are not seen to finance Russia, production and the army.

              so-called the "oligarchs" everyone is talking about are foreign oligarchs, they work for dollars that the US gave them, register their property in London, keep the money offshore, they owe their entire position to the US and depend on the US, funding from Russia means death for them from an American hand.
          2. -5
            5 January 2023 11: 46
            And so what, you can do so much harm in a couple of years of your tenure that then all subsequent ministers will not restore and fix it in decades, you are either a complete idiot or deliberately carrying this nonsense.
          3. -5
            5 January 2023 12: 28
            Sorry, maybe I'm wrong, but with the advent of the general builder to the post of minister, modern equipment immediately began to enter the army, and the military-industrial complex rose ... what, the minister grew equipment on family estates, or how a true party member came to everything ready ?
        2. +42
          5 January 2023 08: 27
          The problem is that no one is responsible for anything.
          This is the ideology of the current government, the more harm the country brought, the more respect. Monuments are erected to Yeltsin for the destruction of the country. Abramovich was entrusted to lead the entire operation. Nabiullina, having lost 300 billion, is out of business. Serdyukov, having optimized the army, is a respected person.
          The saddest thing is that no one is going to change anything. Here they are worried about the death of fighters. And someone makes good money on the supply of coal to Ukraine. Here right now. And right now, the Russian government is transferring money to Zelensky for pumping gas through the territory of Ukraine....
          1. +28
            5 January 2023 13: 11
            Ha, it's obvious! But our protectors are simply phenomenal in the ability to walk around the essence of the problem and not see it point-blank. Staver is one of them.
            Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything? Why is it that any issue that can and must be resolved by a not at all big commander or boss is not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?

            Yes, because, Monsieur Staver, that Putin has created such a system in which any issue has to be resolved through Putin.
            1. -7
              5 January 2023 20: 22
              Quote: Beringovsky
              Yes, because, Monsieur Staver, that Putin has created such a system in which any issue has to be resolved through Putin.

              It was you who created such a system in 93 - a system of external control in which all decisions are tied to Washington.
              Putin only partially, in critical positions, balanced their systemic management with his manual influence - for which all the American guards immediately took up arms against him, the American guards do not want to change the American system and do not want to restore sovereignty.

              Quote: Putin
              You are wrong. You are mistaken that to a greater extent management issues go to the head of state. There are questions that are somehow in the field of view of the public. And one gets the impression that everything that happens with us happens exclusively in manual control. This is not true....

              ....besides the Government, there is also the Central Bank, the Presidential Administration, and the Parliament. And you need to COORDINATE all this work. And often you really have to intervene. But to say that the President solves all issues, and always and everything depends on him - this is not true.
              1. +8
                5 January 2023 20: 47
                Quote from sdtreew
                Putin only partially, on critical positions, balanced their systemic management with his manual influence

                Holy, holy, holy, blessed is he who believes! laughing Putin is the head of his own hand-picked team, the head of the absolute majority in the country's parliament. The Cabinet of Ministers consists of classmates, colleagues. The largest oligarchs are Rotenberg's childhood friends.
                It has a fully controlled vertical of power.
                So don't la-la about balancing Washington's influence. wink
                Even the war is conducted in the best traditions of Pyrrhus.
                1. -4
                  5 January 2023 21: 52
                  the blessed may pass by, may read the Constitution or study history, as they choose, but repeating American fiction is the last thing.
                  1. 0
                    9 January 2023 15: 46
                    Yes, at least read who wrote the first chapter that cannot be changed or corrected.
                2. -2
                  7 January 2023 02: 11
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  blessed is he who believes! Putin is the head of his own hand-picked team, the head of the absolute majority in the country's parliament. The largest oligarchs are Rotenberg's childhood friends.

                  Not only everyone can open the list of oligarchs selected by the Americans to work in Russia (Forbes rating), which lists American friends who control Russia and try to find the Rotenbergs there, few can. - believers cannot, believers will continue to believe that it is Putin who controls the Fed and decides who to give a billion US dollars and who not to give. Alas.

                  Putin says in plain text that Russia is deprived of sovereignty and he has no power:
                  Quote: Putin
                  2022 is ending. It's been a year of hard, necessary decisions the most important steps towards gaining full sovereignty of Russia

                  What we have done and are doing in this area is all aimed at strengthening our sovereignty in the most important area - in the economy.


                  also, believers do not know that the parliament is subject to the Constitution, and the Central Bank is independent of the Russian Federation. Alas.
            2. 0
              9 January 2023 16: 42
              ..he does not decide anything, this is a nominal figure ..
              ..remember at least the May decrees ..
          2. +9
            5 January 2023 17: 43
            These oddities with payment for gas transit through the territory of Ukraine, as well as the supply of energy resources there from the Russian Federation and Belarus, the refusal of the tribunal and the exchange of the Azovites, the satisfaction of the requests of the popes cast a shadow on our government and reduce the coefficient of trust in it.
            1. +6
              5 January 2023 20: 14
              Damn, they would at least formally refuse to pay for transit .... they say, let Western companies buy gas on the Ukrainian-Russian border, and then decide for yourself on transit with Ukraine. The same with coal, ammonia. No mind, no imagination.
          3. -6
            5 January 2023 20: 11
            Quote: Gardamir
            This is the ideology of the current government

            sorry, the people at the popular vote of 93 forbade having a state ideology,
            so what do you want, maybe the people will finally realize that it's time to change the First Chapter of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - Articles 13, paragraph 2 and 15, paragraph 4?
        3. +21
          5 January 2023 10: 09
          Do you think a worker is a lower caste? It is somehow unpleasant for me to read this, a worker of the highest rank with a higher technical education. To my level, I'm not ashamed of modesty, you need to grow for 5 years, and you say lower it to my level?
          1. +10
            5 January 2023 10: 20
            Sorry if offended. But I think many managers cannot reach the highest rank of a worker even with two towers. Well, a top manager will not be able to work as a toar of the 6th category! And he can’t be a good auto mechanic, and a good welder! And he won’t be a good bricklayer either, just like a roofer. hi
          2. +10
            5 January 2023 11: 19
            Yes, in modern realities, unfortunately, a worker is a lower caste ... But in general, any ordinary position in any field of activity, for the most part, sitting on a minimum wage or a "near-mouth" salary. These are the realities.
        4. +3
          5 January 2023 17: 58
          Did Serdyukov unload the BC into the barracks? Well, in the sense that it was probably not the generals who unloaded it, no one got burned from this fact, didn’t run to complain to the lieutenant, what’s going on? Well, no one puts a can of gasoline under the bed or on the balcony, although the arrival of a high-precision missile in civilian life is, to put it mildly, unlikely.
        5. +2
          5 January 2023 20: 03
          Quote: North Caucasus
          Officials are not fired

          and who should deprive them of their positions and for what, practically all senior officials are "democratically elected", there is practically no procedure for depriving them of their positions.
        6. +2
          9 January 2023 02: 23
          Quote: North Caucasus
          not deprived of office with a ban on holding positions higher .... Why do we only have career growth? And downgrade to...

          Because, starting from a certain level, they don’t give up “their own”, otherwise, God forbid, he will open his mouth ... this is without a doubt a vicious practice.
          And Serdyukov - his role will still be appreciated, and it is not as straightforward as it might seem.
      2. +33
        5 January 2023 06: 48
        Well ... Obviously, in order to help the army, a law was passed on liability for "discrediting the army and spreading fakes about it." A very timely law, according to which, any mention of the army in a "certain key" falls under the action of this law. Even the author's article ... and its discussion ... hi
        1. +43
          5 January 2023 09: 54
          Obviously, in order to help the army, a law was passed on responsibility for "discrediting the army and spreading fakes about it." A very timely law, according to which, any mention of the army in a "certain key" falls under the action of this law. Even the author's article ... and its discussion ... hi

          ... Nobody discredits the army like his own Defense Ministry and General Staff of the "Arbat military district"! Do not write nonsense here! I am from 63 regions (Samara region). Memorial services were held in churches in Togliatti and Samara... Women are crying, men are grinding their teeth... Do you know what they think? I know. And God forbid you and the like find this out! Colonel Enikeev is only to blame for following the stupid order of the stupid "general" ... Who is so stupidly "excused" ... inventing stupid versions! "We don't leave our own," right? Decide who is "their" for you!
          Remember how, in response to the legitimate demand of a mobilized man to "teach ... or at least let them remember," the tyrant-colonel, exhausting them with "stepping on the parade ground" (yes, he simply did not know and could not do anything else), wrote a slander on him? The escort was out ... The peasant is facing 15 "stricter" (Art. Criminal Code) ... How the sofa "urya-quacks" are up!
          "Discipline... obedience... order..."....
          Not realizing that there is a tyrant in front of the ranks !!! No honor. No conscience.
          Yes, and Rogozin ... with his booze ... He poses himself as a saint .... he sent a fragment in a letter to the EU ... Oh, how sweet!
          I know that the moderators will “ban” me once again for such (very soft) words - it’s not for nothing that there are so many deleted comments here ... Violet ... you won’t return the guys ... Guber Azarov jumped out, he shines in front of the cameras with Pushilin ... Eh ... it's sickening to look at all this ...
          1. -20
            5 January 2023 10: 50
            Remember how, in response to the legitimate demand of a mobilized man to "teach ... or at least let them remember," the tyrant-colonel, exhausting them with "stepping on the parade ground"
            Of course, I remember this video, where a bullish deserter ("master of sports") ran into a rag officer on camera. This figure met the New Year in a prison, I believe that not only this New Year. Claims to combat training are not expressed by this method, the award has found a hero.
            1. +18
              5 January 2023 13: 41
              Quote: Aviator_
              Of course, I remember this video, where a bullish deserter ("master of sports") ran into a rag officer on camera. This figure met the New Year in a prison, I believe that not only this New Year.

              But it would be necessary, on the contrary, to slap a term on that officer, and deprive him of his rank. 89 dead and fifty missing is the result of the activities of such "affitsers".
            2. +15
              5 January 2023 13: 50
              And why is he suddenly a deserter? """"
            3. +6
              5 January 2023 18: 22
              so you can write about you later - I remember this post where the former, narrow-minded in thought, a chase-bearer, like that colonel, called the "master of sports" - "deserter" - for the fact that he demanded that the colonel organize training as expected
            4. +4
              5 January 2023 20: 20
              So I'm 100% sure that this "bull deserter" would just as well have bullied the one who had the idea to place them all in one crowd ... and would have left the location before the impact. It is a pity we have few such "deserters". I heard that the guys generally received intelligence that they could cover before the new year, but they were afraid to report it to the top. If this is true, then it doesn’t fit in my head - the instincts of self-preservation have atrophied so much ...
          2. +8
            5 January 2023 10: 52
            It's just the beginning, alas. But we know how it ends. We are afraid of this, but we know, right? Only now all processes are going faster, much faster than with Afghanistan. Yes, and losses are also quite different.
            I think in three years everything will fit, no more. There are already two left.
            The guys are just sorry. So many families, kids...
          3. +6
            5 January 2023 20: 53
            Quote: Dingo
            Guber Azarov galloped out, with Pushilin in front of the cameras glows ... Eh ... it's sickening to look at all this ...

            That's for sure. Ponty is our everything. He announced the collection of funds and things for the victims, but did not allocate a penny from the regional budget.
            Mourning was not introduced in the region. I can't find any good words for him.
          4. +1
            6 January 2023 10: 44
            ........ Colonel Enikeev is only to blame for the fact that he carried out the stupid order of the stupid "general" ... Who is so stupidly "dismissed" ... inventing stupid versions! "We don't leave our own," right? Decide who is "their" for you! ..........

            Have you served in the army as a commander? So the General Staff of the group, subdivision or replenishment for redeployment, is assigned a settlement. The place and command for placement at this place in this settlement is given by the unit commander. In this case, with the consent of the local authorities (this is a mistake, this should not be in the front line, but it is practiced). Those who work in the administration can know in advance about the arrival of the unit and the location point. If the administration is absent, then the place upon arrival is chosen by the commanders of the units upon arrival or in advance during reconnaissance.

            The command to disperse near the line of warfare was to be given by the regimental commander or his deputy. Or a person who is entrusted with the responsibility for the delivery and deployment of personnel in the frontline zone and the transfer of this composition to the subordination of certain units. These people are responsible for what happened. In addition, the responsibility for the use of mobile phones by personnel, who, while being near the front, decided to share this with relatives and loved ones (what to hide, it's true) is not removed. The Americans, already from Yugoslavia, have learned from such transmissions to fix the presence of personnel in one place or another when mobile phones start working. Do not forget, in most cases it is they who choose the order to work Chimeras and the coordinates of the targets.
            So the high command in the person of the General Staff, which gave the order to deploy personnel in this settlement, is to blame exactly as much as you yourself are to blame.
            And let the investigation deal with the really guilty. Well, and more. Those who do not have information about how the command and control system of the Russian Armed Forces works, it is better to remain silent or simply get acquainted with the documents and charters of what and how.
          5. +1
            9 January 2023 14: 09
            Apparently, in principle, you have no idea "how it works", in the sense of giving back and following "stupid orders". Not a single general points a colonel's finger at a specific house / building with instructions to settle down in it. The COMMANDER of the unit is responsible for the placement / location / occupation of the defense area / position by the unit !!! Having entered the area, any commander is obliged to assess the situation and correct the place / area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbconcentration / location on the spot, reporting this to the senior commander. It is clear that the commanders are to blame here, but not with such big stars, but with medium ones.
      3. +16
        5 January 2023 09: 03
        Dear Silver99. I agree with you.
        ... Blaming the rank and file mobilized is the last thing ...

        The author asks rhetorical questions in the article, answering which he contradicts himself:
        "Well, why is it only the President who is responsible for everything? Why is it that any issue .... is not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?"
        Interest Ask. Indeed, why??? And then the author answers, because: "... And the roots of this lie in the incompetence of commanders and chiefs. In self-confident incompetence. ... I am the boss - you are shit. You are the boss - I am shit ... Inability to learn from the war, to perceive combat experience and incompetence have been and remain the main problem of our army ... "
        Therefore, incompetence is a SYSTEMIC problem of our Russian Army (and not only the Army). And the MANAGEMENT is always responsible for the system. Let us remember the words of our President:
        "Responsibility for everything that happens in the country always lies with the head of state, and further down the ranking," the president said during the annual press conference. “I have never shied away from this responsibility and I am not going to evade,” Putin added https://ria.ru/20141218/1038992763.html
        1. +12
          5 January 2023 12: 48
          Quote: AA17
          The author asks rhetorical questions in the article, answering which he contradicts himself:

          This author has become too much lately. And his conclusions are becoming more incomprehensible.
          Here Mr. Staver quotes the guarantor: "But one must, of course, hear those who do not hush up the existing problems, but seek to contribute to their solution." Does Staver even know what kind of "not hushing up" you can get an article for? For discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?
          That's why this juggling quotes? Senseless and incomprehensible?
        2. +3
          5 January 2023 16: 24
          I agree!!!
          In recent days, one quote from a well-known comedy is spinning in my mind:
          "They say - the Tsar is not real !!!"
          There is also about the army that rebelled!
        3. -1
          5 January 2023 20: 28
          responsibility does not imply the right to make decisions.
          (if you were put in a trench and given a rifle, then you are responsible for this sector of the front, but this does not mean that you are in command of this entire front).
          1. +3
            5 January 2023 20: 58
            Quote from sdtreew
            responsibility does not imply the right to make decisions.

            You have confused the essence and concepts. Intentionally or out of ignorance, to put it mildly.
            The right to make decisions implies responsibility. And only in this order. wink
            1. -5
              5 January 2023 21: 58
              Only the authorities have the right to make decisions, the President is not the authority, we have three independent branches of government + the Central Bank independent of the Russian Federation + independent media.
              Read the Constitution, you are our uneducated.
              and the presence of responsibility, the right to make decisions does not imply.

              Quote: Putin
              2022 is ending. It was a year of difficult, necessary decisions, the most important steps towards gaining full sovereignty of Russia

              - Russia has no sovereignty - no power, we just have to gain it, Putin already talks about this even in his New Year's greetings, well, when will his people hear and start thinking?
              1. +3
                5 January 2023 22: 35
                Quote from sdtreew
                Read the Constitution, you are our uneducated.

                Oh, another adherent of Fedorov? Then further communication is meaningless. NOD sect.
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    4. +4
      5 January 2023 08: 14
      Moreover, for greater danger, placing ammunition and 5 tons of fuel there ... there are no words.

      It only says that the sabotage was a complete success. What was stored in that building (I wouldn’t be surprised if secretly) those military personnel did not know.
      But those people who placed both people and weapons with fuel in the same building should work closely with the FSB or counterintelligence, they could not do without a forelock participation.
      After all, the Ukrainians immediately knew how many people were in that building, they had all the information on the incident, since all their media immediately began to ring. If it had not been a sabotage, then the Ukrainians would not have known at all about the consequences of the strike, just like ours, or, for example, the Belarusians.
      Just think about it - the affected side (Russia) is just finding out the losses, and the Ukrainians already immediately know exactly how many people were there - in the very first minutes after the strike. How could they know the exact information? What is this if not a planned sabotage?
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 18: 24
        they also knew where most of the people came from, and the fact that they were mobilized ... and they also called the numbers ....
    5. Elf
      -1
      5 January 2023 08: 39
      It also turned out that there people massively used hundreds of square meters. So it seems that everyone was noted there: both commanders and fighters.
    6. +11
      5 January 2023 09: 20
      The officers who directly made these absurd and criminal decisions must be immediately demoted to the rank and file, condemned by a military tribunal and in a penal battalion for many, many years, even if they later and with blood atone for their criminal ridiculous stupidity, which cost life and health to two hundred trained and ready to fight our military personnel. They completely forgot that there are no holidays or weekends in a war, that's what war is for, they forgot about it and immediately paid for it.
      1. -4
        5 January 2023 14: 23
        This is a sabotage, at the suggestion of local authorities-specialists, like Khodak. Someone suggested this to them. And, I think, whoever made the decision to stay there is a little inanimate. "Khodakovsky" they are such canaries
      2. +2
        6 January 2023 09: 05
        Take off your rose-colored glasses, it wasn't before, it won't be now. I give 100%, this is not our last proser. And I assure you in subsequent similar cases, well, at most they will find a switchman. And those who are really guilty will continue to serve and hang medals on their mighty chests. This is how our system works, not only the army one, and nothing can be done about it. Those who naively believe that after the start of the NWO, the army began to change dramatically for the better ... There is no beginning, and it will not change at all until there are stronger shocks for it than the current ones. In our country, they still sing songs about the unparalleled, not realizing that it is such propaganda, at the other end of its life of people who must defeat the enemy with this most unparalleled one. But not having it on TV, but in life, for the special purpose regiment of the Airborne Forces, Vorobyov brings body armor as a gift. I am personally offended and ashamed of such a state.
    7. +9
      5 January 2023 15: 30
      What does it mean that the British took revenge "on the sly"? Do we pre-announce blows honestly and nobly? Nonsense does not get tired of writing?
    8. -4
      5 January 2023 18: 11
      No matter how hard it is to write this, but in any war, for any of the parties, there were, are and will be such mistakes. As in any other business, mistakes are made, and not only by amateurs, but also by experienced professionals. And most often, the military bureaucracy, which is no different from the civil one, is to blame. And it is often difficult to find the perpetrators not because of malicious intent and because of nepotism, but because of the usual military confusion and because the army is a huge organizational structure.
  2. +20
    5 January 2023 05: 10
    The command staff is also from the mobilized? Then everything is logical. Znsh or nsh battalion is not a pear, it does not grow on a tree. You can't just take it off the street. It takes years to prepare. And the fact that fifteen years ago it retired as a Magarychev major, today it leads to such tragedies.
    1. +4
      5 January 2023 05: 37
      Quote: 2я19
      The command staff is also from the mobilized?

      Oh yes, and the phones were turned on! Let me not believe that a major called up from the reserve was appointed as a battalion commander! And even if they did, then there is definitely no regimental commander!
      1. +5
        5 January 2023 06: 08
        You won’t believe it, but in addition to the commander, there are still a lot of uncles in the regiment who make decisions, run back and forth, fuss, give orders. And it's not a combo...
        1. +7
          5 January 2023 07: 44
          Quote: 2я19
          You won’t believe it, but in addition to the commander, there are still a lot of uncles in the regiment who make decisions

          What are you talking about! And these "uncles" are all officers recalled from the reserve, who do not know their own regulations? Or maybe the regiment commander is so busy that he is not able to personally control the placement of 9 (nine) about the mouth?
          Fill someone else...
      2. +33
        5 January 2023 06: 32
        Well, if today sergeants command our companies! And yesterday they were laughing over the outskirts that they did not have enough personnel officers. As it turns out, we are all the same. Although the outskirts are fighting desperately for lace panties and same-sex marriages! And we all giggled that we would break this army with such values. But our values ​​​​did not even help to keep the conquered.
        1. old
          +22
          5 January 2023 06: 57
          Although the outskirts are fighting desperately for lace panties and same-sex marriages!

          Not exactly: lace panties and visa-free travel were the bait for which they stood in line. When they swallowed, they included songs about Ukrainian exclusivity, which perfectly fell on the insult to the Muscovites, whom Nenka fed for a thousand years, without receiving anything in return. And everyone somehow immediately forgot about free energy carriers and built factories, ports and hospitals. It remains to add a little hatred to this mixture and we get ideal soldiers who are ready to go to kill Russian quilted jackets not for the sake of some valuables, but simply, like some kind of bedbugs or cockroaches. It sounds crazy to us, but it's a reality, unfortunately. And we still cannot oppose any of our values ​​to this. If we add commanders to this - idiots and politicians who dream of negotiating with the enemy, then a simple soldier needs to strain his brains a lot to understand what exactly he is fighting for.
          1. +7
            5 January 2023 08: 26
            "who perfectly laid down on the insult to the Muscovites, whom the nenka fed for a thousand years, without receiving anything in return."

            "... strange people: they pray for Europeans, work for Jews, die for Americans and hate Russians for all this. That's all." Volframych.
            https://m.vk.com/video24138619_456241694?list=072410e81a8dfc246c&from=wall-113801785_3516769
            .
            1. -1
              5 January 2023 10: 27
              It is a pity that none of the writers of the articles thought of writing about the myths of the modern outskirts. It is interesting to see the reaction of our readers to the alternative history of the outskirts! Although our bloggers are trying to talk about this topic with the current patriots of the outskirts. Personally, my eyes on my forehead climb from their history. Here it is, the power of propaganda and ideology!
        2. +16
          5 January 2023 07: 25
          Companies are commanded by sergeants, for which one can assemble a whole regiment from generals ...
          1. +5
            5 January 2023 10: 02
            for that, you can assemble a whole regiment from the generals ...

            ...and to the front. There, "for the ribbon" ... privates.
      3. +12
        5 January 2023 07: 48
        I can’t speak for battalion commanders, but up to the level of company commanders, there are definitely some of the mobilized, and among them there are former personnel and jackets, in particular, I know about the former head of the warehouse and about the teacher with the department.
        1. -1
          5 January 2023 16: 56
          Quote: maksbazhin
          and among them are former personnel and jackets, in particular, I know about the former head of the warehouse and about the teacher with the department.

          These are not mobilized, these are officers called up from the reserve, and the opponent writes as if ordinary soldiers were thrown into command from scratch.
          1. 0
            6 January 2023 11: 20
            former warehouse manager and about the teacher with the department
            very different from zero?
            In particular, a mobilized friend of mine was offered a lieutenant position, since there is a tower.
  3. +27
    5 January 2023 05: 15
    And who is now in command in the army: the Serdyukovites? who pissed off (sorry for the word, but you can’t say otherwise) the academies and schools, the rear and the defense industry ... Where are the teaching staff of the Moscow academies, transferred to the periphery, now? But it has been working out for decades... Where are the 70 higher educational institutions that fell under the knife and were reduced? You can’t create them again by one decree either ... And so everywhere (((and ruled the country at that time .... You need to look for the guilty in the mirror ...
    1. +9
      5 January 2023 12: 41
      And here Serdyukov? He has not been in charge of the MO for 10 years. And what did the reindeer breeder do for 10 years? At the reindeer breeder, the main rear guard "lost" 1,5 million sets of uniforms and like water off a duck's back. For this, the chief rear officer was sent to lead the "paradise". The fish rots from the head. And after Serdyukov, there was Crimea and the Donbass militia drove the Ukrainian army as they wanted, although the “north wind” helped them, and it was February 24 under the reindeer herder ... As they say in Odessa, there are two big differences.
  4. +12
    5 January 2023 05: 20
    incompetent lampers will not lead to good, we saw another bungling in Makiivka .... and the numbers of the dead will only increase ....
  5. +46
    5 January 2023 05: 21
    To be fair, our main problem is, uh, how to say politically correct, marvelous political leadership. No matter how bad our generals are, but still the idea of ​​attacking Ukraine, recognizing its borders and political leadership, in order to say on the 4th day of the war, let's put up and negotiate with the regimes of silence does not belong to them. It was not they who gave and are giving valuable instructions not to touch communications, information centers, officials, and at the initial stage even barracks.
    Incompetent and untrained army leadership is problem number 2.
    And the political leadership can solve this problem - if they still want to win this war. So far, only his desire to make peace with dear Western partners is visible.
    As for Makiivka specifically, this is a classic combination for our reality - complete indifference and stupidity with no less complete irresponsibility. How many times has this already happened, and that someone answered for something?
    This can be treated in only one way - by punishing the really guilty and removing the incapable with the promotion of adequate and achieving results.
    1. +21
      5 January 2023 06: 46
      Quote: Belisarius
      This can be treated in only one way - by punishing the really guilty and removing the incapable with moving up adequate and achieving results

      This is contrary to the principle of negative selection, which has worked successfully so far!
      1. +6
        5 January 2023 16: 33
        Quote: Stas157
        This is contrary to the principle of negative selection, which has worked successfully so far!

        The principle of negative selection can still work at the stage of the parasitic self-eating state of the Russian Federation in peacetime, and so far there is something to parasitize on - Soviet assets (from military to political) and mineral reserves.
        But with the principle of negative selection- you can't fight . Of course, the "elites" of the Russian Federation were not going to fight, they planned an instant peace on favorable terms for the West, a la Georgia -2008. But this is to the question of what is going on in their heads and how autistic they have.
        They were forced to fight and they will have to fight. With the principle of negative selection, the outcome of such a war will be obvious ... They will lose power and property in the Russian Federation.
        It would seem both good and right, and there they are and the road. But now it’s not 1917, there are no conditions that would allow us to move from February to October and start creative, not destructive processes.
    2. +24
      5 January 2023 06: 49
      I, too, look at our leadership and wonder. They imposed sanctions against us and brought the situation to war simply by putting a fork. We had to hit on any of the two options. What should a person do if they are robbed? Try to punish offenders. What did our victims do? They continued to recognize the outskirts regime as legal and tried to negotiate with it. Although all our affected moneybags had to gather, come to Putin and offer him their help! After all, Russia allowed them to become fabulously rich! And when sanctions were imposed, Putin helped them as victims! Took care of them. Why do they have such large incomes, Putin was asked. And so that they are not lured there! Here they were deprived of their property by their bourgeois foreign colleagues. Where are the protests of our bourgeoisie? Or maybe we in Russia should have been just as tough on fat cats? Here the operation began. Okay, many oligarchs are already old. And to help the army with that kind of money? And what about the children and grandchildren to lead the fighters on the attack against the Nazis? Is there such a thing? Who is fighting with us today? Those to whom these cats paid pennies and prisoners who should consider themselves victims of the regime and categorically refuse to fight for the country that imprisoned them. They get paid and they fight for money? But fat cats have earned more! Why don't they fight and help the army? Is there Prigogine!? But what's interesting. In 91 he built barricades against the USSR. Received two years probation for theft. Then 12 years for robbery! He served 9 years and was released for exemplary behavior! How is his biography? In theory, he shouldn’t drown for Russia in any way! But here's the paradox! Those to whom Russia has given the opportunity to work, they spit on it. The same our stars of show business. Those who were paid a penny and who were given a deadline are fighting for the country! How to explain such a paradox?
      1. +14
        5 January 2023 10: 08
        Although all our affected moneybags had to gather, come to Putin and offer him their help! After all, Russia allowed them to become fabulously rich!

        These are naive ideas, money bags are immoral. Immoral foolish to call for conscience, what are you talking about?
        The oligarchs are only interested in billions, estates and yachts, and they do not care about the Russian Federation from a high bell tower.

        In the year 14, GDP went over to the side of the oligarchs and defended their property and estates in the west, therefore he recognized Bandershtat and lazily looked at the bombings of Dombass.
      2. -2
        5 January 2023 20: 36
        What our people did: in 93, they adopted the colonial Constitution written in the USA - legalized external control (Article 15, paragraph 4), and now people are sitting and wondering why Washington is not helping us to smash Washington ...

        - Yes, because you restore SOVEREIGNTY first - cancel external control!
        Quote: North Caucasus
        Where are the protests of our bourgeoisie?

        we don’t have bourgeois, maybe you have them, but Russia doesn’t have them.
        a bourgeois working for foreign capital in a foreign jurisdiction with accounts abroad is a foreign bourgeois sworn to foreigners - an enemy of Russia - a servant of Washington.
    3. -1
      5 January 2023 07: 00
      give valuable instructions not to touch communications, information centers, officials, and at the initial stage even barracks

      where does this information come from? maybe there is simply no means to implement all this, or is there something else to make decisions?
    4. +6
      5 January 2023 09: 41
      Our leader of the country has simple and brilliant answers to all difficult questions
      1. kaa
        0
        10 January 2023 05: 37
        Did you yourself see this program, or did you just read the demotivators? It was better not to answer that podёb.
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    6. +3
      5 January 2023 09: 56
      This can be treated in only one way - by punishing the really guilty and removing the incapable with the promotion of adequate and achieving results.

      This is cured by issuing an order prohibiting large groups from gathering in the affected area. And the inspectors should be charged with checking not the wall newspaper, but the plan for the dispersal of the unit.
    7. +7
      5 January 2023 10: 27
      As for Makiivka specifically, this is a classic combination for our reality - complete indifference and stupidity with no less complete irresponsibility. How many times has this already happened, and that someone answered for something?
      This can be treated in only one way - by punishing the really guilty and removing the incapable with the promotion of adequate and achieving results.

      ... and YOU believe in it? Girls from the "harem" on Frunzenskaya think differently ...
      And the collapse of the army began a long time ago. Not from the "Stool" and others like him .. From the "Pasha-Mercedes" ... Promised the drunk Yeltsin "... to take Grozny with two platoons of paratroopers." How did it end?
      1. +1
        5 January 2023 10: 42
        Outskirts is Grozny-2? Although the script is like a blueprint. A sharp throw of a cobra, then crawling away. But nothing! After the throw of the cobra, they switched to the tactics of the boa constrictor. We lie, we lazily wag our tail, and the stoned ones squeak like frogs, but climb into their mouths! Why did we need a roll if they themselves climb to die? Though! If you believe in a global conspiracy, then! On the territory of Ukraine it is necessary to create a New Jerusalem! And who will allow? We must bring the Jews to power! And who will allow them to bring? Ukrainian nationalists! But they themselves will want to steer! And we recycle them! Interesting, I thought. How are they going to dispose of them? They will be against it! How naive I am! They don't even mind dying! What Zelensky is doing today! It's just a white and fluffy scribe! Zelensky stupidly sends them to die stupidly! And they don't mind! They also yell that Russia is a dictatorship! Why? Putin has been driving for you for 20 years! AND? And we have a democracy! AND? Our presidents are constantly changing, but you have one! AND? What is changing for you? All presidents are Jews! Democracy everywhere, but dictatorship in Russia! In the United States, presidents also change, but! The structure remains the same! England has been ruled by the royal family since 1714. Who stutters about dictatorship?
  6. +32
    5 January 2023 05: 25
    They mobilized, but not to feed the horse ... trained artillerymen into the infantry .... from the mobilized they create entire units, and do not replenish combat ones ... they don’t know what to do with such a mass of people ...
    Hey, generals and colonels with lieutenants, they fight not by numbers, but by skill. Turn on your brains if they ....
    From Khodakovsky

    Recently, out of the corner of my eye, I watched a fragment of "Twelve Months" - an old Soviet film adaptation. There, the eccentric queen asks the month of February to turn her court dogs into people and says at the same time: they are good, obedient - they walk on their hind legs. No, says February, you can’t turn those who walk on their hind legs into people ...


    There is no Victory without thinking, enterprising commanders.
    1. +18
      5 January 2023 05: 35
      they also train not so hot, from reliable sources - they trained one friend, first as an orderly, then for some reason loading on a tank, but not for long, now just on the shooter ....
    2. 0
      5 January 2023 20: 50
      ... and the fish starts to rot from the head ...
  7. +9
    5 January 2023 05: 34
    Quote: 2я19
    The command staff is also from the mobilized? Then everything is logical

    It doesn't make sense... there are experienced local commanders... why aren't they appointed.
    Why, before sticking the mobilized into the database zone, they are not prepared by those who have already gone through the shelling of the Ukronazis.
    There are a lot of people in Donetsk who would tell the regiment commander that he was wrong and that, pardon the expression, he is a stupid person.
    Khodakovsky, on the other hand, spoke out on this topic many times ... and here, until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself.
    1. +19
      5 January 2023 06: 02
      It doesn't make sense... there are experienced local commanders... why aren't they appointed.

      "Near-minded" Vushniks do just that, they do not create new units, but when withdrawn to the rear, they replenish existing units with combat experience.
      And we have caught up with new units from the mobilized, and now they are suffering with logistics.
    2. +12
      5 January 2023 06: 41
      Let me tell you a little secret.
      If you want your personnel to be intact, think with your head and if you understand that your commander is a little let's say a nerd - think twice.
    3. +25
      5 January 2023 06: 55
      If you put experienced and enterprising, then many at the top will either have to make room or go down the career ladder. And our elevator works only for elevation. And only as a last resort horizontally. They don't leave theirs at the top! Therefore, they hold the defense against the talented and enterprising. Apparently so! hi
      1. +14
        5 January 2023 07: 54
        Therefore, they hold the defense against the talented and enterprising. Apparently so!


        Remembered Wick


        Don't subtract, don't add...
        1. +5
          5 January 2023 10: 50
          Top ten! Eh! We would have to shoot a modern wick today! The higher the roof! There are, of course, humorous shows. But probably it’s not bad for us today to shoot not only humor, but also on the topic of the day. The main thing is that criticism does not develop into Gorbachevism with perestroika, acceleration, new thinking.
    4. +4
      5 January 2023 07: 03
      until the thunder breaks out, the man crosses himself

      thunder struck 10 months ago, and the stripes are still sleeping at the headquarters! Are they still confident in "some kind of victory", should there be an instinct for self-preservation? or do they think that their "thunder" will not touch?
    5. +10
      5 January 2023 07: 25
      From Donetsk to form the management of the regiment? The chief of staff of the regiment-battalion from the militia? And if he gives a regiment from the General Staff to mmmmorddu? But he will, his hands have been itching for a long time.
      1. +11
        5 January 2023 08: 03
        From Donetsk to form the management of the regiment?

        So these, who have not been able to recapture Marinka for 10 months and have deployed 1444 small-scale settlements of territorial defense, almost wrote a theatrical one in this vocational school. The command of the 1st Army Corps of the DPR, at whose disposal a regiment of those mobilized from Samara came, well, just very "experienced" Donetsk people ...
        It was a long time ago, but the Soviet armed forces have long abandoned the territorial and national formation of units. Nothing, we will step on the rake again ...
        1. +1
          5 January 2023 08: 11
          I did not claim that the militias are experienced, literate, etc. But I tried to explain why they are not in these positions. There are more reasons, of course, but this one is clearly present among them.
      2. +4
        5 January 2023 10: 34
        And if he gives a regiment from the General Staff to mmmmorddu? But he will, his hands have been itching for a long time.

        ...and will receive "from 15 strict .." At a minimum...
    6. 0
      5 January 2023 09: 39
      It is necessary to make the most of the experience of the LDNR militias and do not be shy about it, we all see perfectly well that our army does not have sufficient experience in combat operations of this level of intensity and this experience must be acquired and accumulated again.
    7. -2
      5 January 2023 10: 57
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote: 2я19
      The command staff is also from the mobilized? Then everything is logical

      It doesn't make sense... there are experienced local commanders... why aren't they appointed.
      Why, before sticking the mobilized into the database zone, they are not prepared by those who have already gone through the shelling of the Ukronazis.
      There are a lot of people in Donetsk who would tell the regiment commander that he was wrong and that, pardon the expression, he is a stupid person.
      Khodakovsky, on the other hand, spoke out on this topic many times ... and here, until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself.

      And what about the Khodokovsky commander or something ... he was only at the beginning and then faded away. Otherwise, figs would have had time to make posts in the cart. He has been working as a deputy for a long time.
    8. +5
      5 January 2023 13: 41
      Do you think that in almost a year of hostilities, a sufficient number of officers with combat experience did not appear in the Russian army? Sergeants who proved themselves - to lieutenants, lieutenants - to captains, captains - to colonels. Competently fighting colonels - to generals. The current generals are retired
  8. +21
    5 January 2023 05: 35
    Quote: Belisarius
    , marvelous political leadership.

    So maybe this is the real plan? We are told all the time - everything is according to plan ... So in whose interests is the plan? With the naked eye you can see who the main beneficiary is... In my opinion, it is clear that it is not Russia.
  9. +30
    5 January 2023 05: 41
    It's not just about the competence of front-line commanders. The fish rots from the head. Who was responsible for the failure of the first month of NWO? Something I have not heard that someone would be held responsible for false information about the moods of most of the Ukrainian society. Who from the Foreign Ministry went to establish relations with polar bears in Chukotka? Who from the General Staff was responsible for Krasny Liman, Bucha, Kherson, for the death of hundreds, and maybe thousands, of civilians who believed in Russia? With such generals, the meat grinder in Makiivka, one way or another, would have happened, even if in a different place. Sorry guys...
    1. +26
      5 January 2023 06: 05
      It seems that no one in the leadership of the Russian Federation was interested in the mood of Ukrainian society. As always, they staked on agreements with Ukrainian oligarchs, like Medvedchuk, but they cheated. Just like Merkel.
      1. +16
        5 January 2023 07: 01
        Well, yes! Our leadership is so trusting! So Gorbachev was deceived with the non-expansion of NATO not an inch! Although how to look! Not expanded by an inch or two, but by many kilometers! In general, the NATO members kept their word! Putin has already been deceived with the Minsk agreements. And the man seemed to work for the KGB. Has it been carried out? Maybe that's why they don't want to agree with us that we are too gullible? What's the point of negotiating if we believe everything!? Not interested! It's probably like a chess master playing with a schoolboy.
        1. +11
          5 January 2023 07: 39
          Putin has already been deceived with the Minsk agreements
          Everyone pretends to have forgotten about that. that Putin came up with these agreements. Obviously he figured it out. Serious contracts are not developed in one day, and are not drawn on the knees.
        2. -3
          5 January 2023 09: 48
          Credulity and naivety are our most important and fundamental shortcomings, you can’t completely trust anyone, and especially the West, is it really that we still don’t understand this, it’s time for our politicians to open their eyes wider and stop trusting everyone in a row, as the saying goes: trust but verify!!!
    2. +6
      5 January 2023 10: 21
      was held liable for false information about the moods of the majority of Ukrainian society

      The information was the most reliable, but this information was not taken into account, but simply thrown into the trash. Because they did not proceed from reliability, but from the desire to come to an agreement with partners.
      never heard of anyone being held accountable

      Responsible at the very top, they will not punish themselves.
    3. 0
      5 January 2023 11: 05
      Quote: Popenko
      Who from the General Staff was responsible for Krasny Liman, Bucha, Kherson, for the death of hundreds, and maybe thousands, of civilians who believed in Russia?

      Which of General Staff The Red Army was punished for 1941?!!! For 10 days of the war, the total losses in the Minsk-Bialystok operation alone were 200 ...
      Not 86- 200!!!
      There were no oligarchs, but the generals bled at times mediocre.
      Pavlov was appointed extreme - and the rest of the perpetrators in Moscow turned out to be out of business. "And what are we for ??"
  10. +11
    5 January 2023 05: 44
    And how many of the soldiers are such that commanders are considered fools.
    And the order to "surrender mobile communications", of course, was ignored.
    Children are sent to the army, they give them mobile phones, even two, so that one stays when one is sure to be taken down.
    And here it is
    - Honey, I'll call, no matter how I call!
    And pops the mobile deeper.
    About what they will tell?
    - It only happens in the movies!
    And fuck you make them hand over the mobile!
    Even now, after this incident, you will carry out a wholesale "shmon" in any company of mobilized, at least a dozen telephones can be found.
    1. +9
      5 January 2023 07: 06
      Well, we also have the means to identify the work of cellular communications. It is not clear why they are not involved for their own safety. Maybe you can use some kind of gelatinous mine to gasp for those who like to talk. At the same time, other fighters will practice how to quickly identify and suppress enemy talkers.
      1. +18
        5 January 2023 07: 29
        I also wondered why the cellular connection was not cut down in the database zone. Then they explained to me that the RF Armed Forces use Telegram for communication. Stand up, fall down...
        Sarcasm ironic -
        - What have we come to, - Polesov said ironically, - yesterday he ran around the whole city, he could not get three-eighths of an inch dice. There is not. Not! And the tram is going to start up! ..
        1. +3
          5 January 2023 10: 51
          Quote: Konnick
          I also wondered why the cellular connection was not cut down in the database zone. Then they explained to me that the RF Armed Forces use Telegram for communication. Stand up, fall down...
          Sarcasm ironic -
          - What have we come to, - Polesov said ironically, - yesterday he ran around the whole city, he could not get three-eighths of an inch dice. There is not. Not! And the tram is going to start up! ..

          So the military bloggers on this occasion have already raised a universal howl "do not touch phones with communication" Tatarsky, Sladkov, Poddubny, Khodokovsky, Pegov, Rybar ... their entire gang of watering cans
    2. +5
      5 January 2023 09: 30
      The commander is obliged to explain that in a combat situation, a mobile phone = death.
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 18: 33
        mobile push-button with a removable battery - not death but the last means of communication - no need to write nonsense .... everything has a measure and methods of application
    3. +5
      5 January 2023 10: 24
      And fuck you make them hand over the mobile!

      You write some nonsense, a normal army can easily force you to do almost everything.
    4. +2
      5 January 2023 18: 32
      if they wanted to beat them up, they would have seized them long ago ... - and jamming equipment can be attracted - and simply, elementarily - remove sockets ... without charging, a cell phone does not last long ...
  11. +23
    5 January 2023 05: 47
    Didn't the president appoint these commanders? Well, or those who appointed them? Serdyukov, for example. By the way, many of the abbreviations of military schools of that time were formalized by the decision of the government.
  12. +7
    5 January 2023 05: 50
    Something I have not heard that someone would be held responsible for false information about the moods of most of the Ukrainian society. Who from the Foreign Ministry went to establish relations with polar bears in Chukotka? Who from the General Staff was responsible for Krasny Liman, Bucha, Kherson, for the death of hundreds, and maybe thousands, of civilians who believed in Russia?

    - this will not be visible along the way, I think we will continue to witness something similar .....
    1. +2
      5 January 2023 09: 28
      If there is no responsibility of officials of the Russian Federation during the war, and such disasters will grow like a snowball, the war will begin already in Russia. Civil.
  13. +4
    5 January 2023 05: 56
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: 2я19
    The command staff is also from the mobilized?

    Oh yes, and the phones were turned on! Let me not believe that a major called up from the reserve was appointed as a battalion commander! And even if they did, then there is definitely no regimental commander!

    Looking at all this, maybe it would be better from the reserve, who have already gone through fire and water, which can also indicate to the general his incompetence, since they are no longer pursuing a career
  14. +2
    5 January 2023 05: 57
    Less noise. And more business. At the very beginning of the operation, experts said that history had not known such a rapid offensive. Everything went according to plan. And it is precisely at this very beginning that the military needs to figure it out. Everything that is happening now is just the consequences of a breakdown in a fleeting war. It is no secret that units created from the workers of Donbass fight more competently than the main army. Our entire previous life was built on the irresponsibility of officials. And it all penetrated the army. Dead laws were created that were beneficial only to the bureaucracy.
    1. +6
      5 January 2023 09: 23
      .It's no secret that units created from the workers of Donbass fight more competently than the main army

      Such an erroneous opinion was formed because of local bloggers, that is, military officers who are simply not allowed into the combat units of the RF Armed Forces, they are driven with kicks. All the main achievements of the NWO are our units and formations. The same Mariupol, where practically the NM of the DPR was used only for cleaning up after the advance of our marines and motorized riflemen, and the vaunted East took two houses for three weeks.
    2. +3
      5 January 2023 09: 27
      Chapter 12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960 (Articles 237 - 269) must be urgently put into effect throughout the entire vertical of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, starting with Shoigu and ending with any ordinary soldier - and the situation will improve rather quickly.
      1. +2
        5 January 2023 11: 10
        Quote from StarWarrior
        ending with any private - and the situation will get better pretty quickly

        Are you kidding? It’s easy to blame the generals / Moscow / oligarchs, but here you have to put a specific tank crew - who abandoned new equipment - against the wall ...
        1. +4
          5 January 2023 11: 18
          If the death penalty had not been actively used in the Great Patriotic War, the USSR would not have survived 1941 and 1942.
  15. -3
    5 January 2023 06: 04
    ... I'm wondering if someone in the operation zone doubts that there are a lot of traitors in the rear?...
    ... And finding such a target is easy enough even for satellites ...

    The rear is full of writers.
  16. for
    +13
    5 January 2023 06: 27
    One more thing. How will commanders and bosses look the president in the eye now?

    Just like he was in the eyes of the relatives of the dead, because these are all the fruits of his reign.
    Only fools can consider the enemy a fool

    The main enemy is incompetence


    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything? Why is it that any issue that can and must be resolved by a not at all big commander or boss is not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?

    Because he set up the mechanism in such a way, for manual control.
    Yes, and there are no answers to the questions posed.
    The team is not to have subordinates, not friends.
    1. 0
      5 January 2023 20: 48
      Quote: for
      Because he set up the mechanism in such a way, for manual control.

      because it was not possible, due to the position of the people, to change the "colonial mechanism of external administration" to sovereignty. The President does not have the power to change the First Chapter of the Constitution.
  17. -12
    5 January 2023 06: 31
    I am sure that among those reading these lines there is a very small percentage of those who have never heard of the dangers of using smartphones and other electronic devices. I think that the soldiers also knew everything very well. So the version that the guidance happened precisely because of mobile phones, to put it mildly, looks silly.

    The author does not believe the official version? And readers are provoked to doubt the truth of the official version?
    1. -1
      5 January 2023 09: 21
      The commanders were obliged to remind the privates of this and place them in a fortified bomb shelter.
      1. 0
        5 January 2023 11: 12
        Quote from StarWarrior
        The commanders were obliged to remind the privates of this and place them in a fortified bomb shelter.

        And who built it for such units?
    2. +1
      5 January 2023 10: 43
      And what do they know? Everyone knows that you can’t go out on fragile ice, everyone knows that you can’t drink and drive and drive on the roads, everyone knows that you can’t just throw out garbage ... who and when was this knowledge stopped. If it worked, we wouldn’t have heaps of garbage on the sides of the roads, and in general the garbage would only be where it should be, we wouldn’t have an annual 7-8 thousand only deaths on the roads, we wouldn’t have to remove hundreds and thousands from ice floes and to pull out the drowning from the polynya.
  18. +12
    5 January 2023 06: 31
    . After all, set up head of state to the fullest.

    And he is our darling is not at all to blame!
    How is he sideways to his own, and to everything that is happening there, does he relate?
  19. +16
    5 January 2023 06: 34
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?

    Does he really answer? what No.
    1. +9
      5 January 2023 09: 19
      In my opinion, he is protected from any slightest responsibility.
      1. 0
        5 January 2023 18: 35
        With your permission, I'll take it to myself - I really liked it :)
  20. +11
    5 January 2023 06: 39
    I am outraged by the softness of our leadership in everything, both in foreign policy, and in the leadership of the country, and in the leadership of ministers. Every time he asks and asks, asks and asks. And everyone puts the device on his requests, whether they are enemies or their own. Probably no one takes him seriously anymore, everyone knows. that there will be no punishment, the maximum will be removed from the feeder, or even attached to a new one. Shame and sadness...
    1. +4
      5 January 2023 09: 14
      A little more time will pass and all the Russian people on their knees will ask with candles the Holy and Equal-to-the-Apostles Joseph Stalin in front of his icons about his second coming. Or he will take a pitchfork in his hands, if the current Supreme does not come to his senses and finally begins to restore the Stalinist order himself.
      1. -1
        5 January 2023 11: 19
        Quote from StarWarrior
        Or he will take a pitchfork in his hands, if the current Supreme does not come to his senses and finally begins to restore the Stalinist order himself.

        Losses in the Minsk-Bialystok operation for the first 10 days of the Second World War - 200.
        Whom in General Staff (!!!!!!) punished for this?
        Pavlov was slapped for decency, and from the higher ones, not a single aphid from the People's Commissariat and the General Staff of the Red Army was punished ...
        Zhukov even shy about his role in his memoirs
        1. +8
          5 January 2023 12: 20
          And that the execution of Pavlov, the commander of the entire Western Front, is a trifle ?!
          Was Lapin shot for the mediocre regrouping in Kharkov, when they simply gave the dill a bunch of serviceable military equipment?
    2. +5
      5 January 2023 09: 36
      I am outraged by the softness of our leadership in everything, both in foreign policy, and in the leadership of the country, and in the leadership of ministers.
      - in Russia, a style is imposed from above: do not compete, do not fight, no sharp words, no harsh actions - only negotiate, only according to the law. Well, such toothless "fighters" are born at the top. Judo. Sports performance. Respect for elders. Throw maximum on the tatami, softly. This is all the old age of the leadership) Autumn of the patriarch, damn it.
    3. +4
      5 January 2023 10: 06
      How much we miss Stalin now, only now he could restore order in the army and in the country as a whole !!! Liberalism and democracy seem to be in the hands of only oligarchs, hucksters and "effective managers" of all stripes, or, to be more precise, to embezzlers of the state budget, who are only concerned about personal mercantile interests.
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 10: 47
        After all, internal enemies are always much more dangerous than external ones.
      2. -4
        5 January 2023 11: 08
        You know what our / your problem is, this is really some kind of "slavish thinking", you are all waiting for a "good smart king-father" who for some reason suddenly wants to make your life better. As for Stalin, it’s so scary to imagine that if the Americans hadn’t started Lend-Lease, even Stalin himself admitted that without American engines we would have lost the war. The economy of the USSR and the military-industrial complex was just as unprepared for a war with the Germans as Russia is now for the NWO.
        1. +4
          5 January 2023 11: 23
          Again, these liberal clichés about the holy Lend-Lease.
          The entire lend-lease from the United States amounted to less than 10% of the military production of the USSR during the Second World War.
          Lend-Lease gave a large percentage of assistance only in a few areas - in trucks, in stew, in aluminum.
          British and American tanks are rubbish compared to Soviet and German ones.
          How long can you grind these false Western tales about Lend-Lease, which "saved the USSR" ?!
          1. -1
            5 January 2023 11: 26
            Again, these liberal clichés about the holy Lend-Lease.


            You are the first who calls Stalin a liberal.

            Lend-Lease gave a large percentage of assistance only in a few areas - in trucks, in stew, in aluminum.


            Well, there are also medicines, explosives, aviation gasoline, boots, communication wires, etc.
            1. +3
              5 January 2023 12: 24
              These are far from the main instruments of war.
              Tanks, planes, artillery, MLRS, shells, bombs, the USSR made itself.
              1. +1
                5 January 2023 12: 34
                Well, Stalin probably knew better, he clearly said without American engines we would not have won. Again, without American gunpowder, it would be difficult to make MLRS in those quantities, aviation fuel without additives, aircraft without aluminum, copper wires, etc.
          2. +2
            5 January 2023 13: 46
            The current war will just close the question of how Russia can independently solve its problems.
            We can say that the Russian Federation is not the USSR, well, Ukraine is not Nazi Germany.
            Please - release the world's best "analogue". Without any "pathetic 4% lend-lease".
            Who glued on the car can we repeat? Go ahead.
            With little blood and in foreign territory.
    4. 0
      5 January 2023 22: 42
      Not everything is lost: the retirement age has been severely raised.
  21. +7
    5 January 2023 06: 46
    If anyone thinks that ordinary life does not concern the army, he is deeply mistaken. In life, we are surrounded by ordinary hack work. You turn on the TV, either the same movies or series for the whole day. And everywhere they tick off the work done. If you go out into the street, and it’s champing under your feet, or ice is hack-work. We are told that wartime is coming. Is our industry ready to replace technical losses in a short time? Or are we again counting on the short term? Everyone hit the super sound. Although the most diverse equipment is needed. Starting from gliders and ending with jets.
  22. -6
    5 January 2023 06: 49
    No public punishment And there will be no vice. Don't even wait. It DOES NOT WORK absolutely.

    The main task is to learn the Lesson from the tragedy and move forward.

    The only thing we should be guided by is the desire to avenge our comrades.

    stop
    1. +4
      5 January 2023 07: 37
      Quote from booom
      The only thing we should be guided by is desire avenge comrades.

      Revenge on whom? Who committed the bungling?
  23. +11
    5 January 2023 06: 54
    According to the source, during the attack on the vocational school building, two representatives of the command staff of 1444 SMEs were killed: the head of the clothing service of the regiment, Senior Lieutenant Shekhovtsev Andrey Nikolaevich, and the deputy commander of the regiment, Colonel Bachurin Alexei Anatolyevich. They were mobilized officers.

    At the same time, the commander of 1444 SMEs, Colonel Roman Ramilievich Enikeev, and the regiment's chief of staff, Colonel Kuzkin Vladimir Aleksandrovich, were absent from the regiment's location at the vocational school during the strike.

    The area for the temporary deployment of the regiment was chosen with the participation of representatives of the 1st Army Corps of the DPR and the administration of the city of Makeevka.

    The person making the final decision on the temporary location of the regiment was to be the commander of the 1st Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 1st Army Corps, Colonel Aleksey Mikhailovich Khairulin, under whose command 1444 SMEs of the territorial troops entered.


    Well, I’ll add myself, the command of the 1AK DNR was not distinguished by competence before.
  24. +6
    5 January 2023 06: 59
    Questions, questions and again questions. Why is the NMD not yet a war, why are we not destroying and trying to command the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the president, why are we looking for ways to negotiate all the time of the war, thereby crossing out our own plans and tasks, why the general of our army does not bear personal responsibility for each direction, why the best experience is not replicated and applied. It is very bad that the experience in previous wars has not been studied, but the databases have their own specifics, but where is the "head" of the officer, where is the knowledge?
    1. -12
      5 January 2023 07: 28
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      Questions, questions and again questions. Why is the NMD not yet a war, why are we not destroying and trying to command the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the president, why are we looking for ways to negotiate all the time of the war, thereby crossing out our own plans and tasks, why the general of our army does not bear personal responsibility for each direction, why the best experience is not replicated and applied. It is very bad that the experience in previous wars has not been studied, but the databases have their own specifics, but where is the "head" of the officer, where is the knowledge?


      There are 3 fundamental reasons due to which the rapid implementation of the stated goals of the NWO is impossible.

      1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people
      2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.
      3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 07: 44
        There are 3 fundamental reasons why the rapid implementation of the stated goals of the NWO is impossible
        .
        stop reprinting this agitation here, the new training manual is worse than the old one!
      2. +1
        5 January 2023 07: 46
        1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people
        2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.
        3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process


      3. -2
        5 January 2023 08: 41
        Quote from booom
        Quote: Mikhail Maslov
        Questions, questions and again questions. Why is the NMD not yet a war, why are we not destroying and trying to command the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the president, why are we looking for ways to negotiate all the time of the war, thereby crossing out our own plans and tasks, why the general of our army does not bear personal responsibility for each direction, why the best experience is not replicated and applied. It is very bad that the experience in previous wars has not been studied, but the databases have their own specifics, but where is the "head" of the officer, where is the knowledge?


        There are 3 fundamental reasons due to which the rapid implementation of the stated goals of the NWO is impossible.

        1) Russians and Ukrainians are one people
        2) The main and main goal of the Special Military Operation is the unification of 2 parts of one people.
        3) The “Special operation” mode, and not “War”, proceeds from the first two points and no other status will be assigned to this process

        I'll tell you more. The capture of a country with a hostile population is impossible in principle
        1. +3
          5 January 2023 09: 09
          The population of Ukraine is hostile to us only as long as Nazi television, radio and the Internet operate in Ukraine.
          Why it works is the question for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces.
      4. +3
        5 January 2023 10: 12
        In this case, a more acceptable format would be a counter-terrorist operation - CTO, even in our media, the ukrovoyak has long been called militants and terrorists, but at the same time, the format of the CMD has not changed so far.
  25. +9
    5 January 2023 07: 24
    The article is correct, the comments are also in fact! All this is good, but in fact ... I personally held 7 gatherings of partisans and participated in three, to be honest, it was better on Chechen business trips. There was only one conclusion, adult and respectable men turned off their brains with all the consequences, and in proportion to their civilian brains! For three days this is an unbridled booze, general, then local at the background level! Too bad it's not a writer. There were fewer problems with hard workers, and this includes hard-working officers who served, I mean really! Such came across rarely, he offered to continue the service, but he was smart and competent and valuable in civilian life. But the cunning and mediocre mass, looking for a Maidan with jumps, mostly unnecessary in figs in civilian life ... I will say this was a problem, especially "offended officers." So, the most terrible puncture of our military power is that we made mass partisan units, the herd is still something, and if they trample ....! At one time, at partisan training camps during the deployment of the FBMO in Stavropol, there was an OMON to maintain order, I will say a wise decision. But here and just our figures did not take this into account. Maybe now they will understand that there is no need for such monotonous formations, it is necessary to supplement combat units, where these partisans will quickly be brought to their senses!
  26. +8
    5 January 2023 07: 27
    already a few days later, reportage diarrhea and scabies that rained down from television screens at the same time about preparations to celebrate the New Year in the trenches on the line of contact suggested the idea that if such an itch is actually on the front line, then in the near rear there is a virus of a sense perverted over the past forty years and way of celebrating the New Year, will show the terrible result of all this infection, what this holiday has now turned into. And if this disease struck the whole society, then it would be foolish to hope that it bypassed the officers who commanded the landing of more than 200 people at the festive New Year's table in Makeevka. And if the society of the last ten years has been brought up in such a way that its heroes are those who made selfie reports while sitting on the toilet bowl or on the roof of a moving trolleybus or electric train, then as a native of such a society mobilized in the NWO, one should not try to take pictures on his mobile phone in the front-line rear in extreme situation. Can you tell me what is prohibited? So after all, it’s also forbidden to ride on the roof of the train ...
    Well, those whom we are stubbornly wooing into a people friendly to us and brotherly dreams, they are just waiting and looking for an opportunity to transfer the coordinates of the collection of Russian military men to the Bendera artillerymen. There are a lot of these scouts in the rear of Russian troops in the Donbass, they are full of them all over Russia from the Kuban to Ufa, American spy satellites monitor the deployment of our troops in the Donbass, and Russian commanders of soldiers seat whole battalions at one festive New Year's table in a nearby front-line rear, and you can't touch them! Yep, now! It's a pity for the military, and revenge should be inevitable, just as lessons from one's own mistakes should be inevitable.
    1. +3
      5 January 2023 09: 06
      And the brains of the commanders to ban all this in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation were canceled long ago?
  27. +5
    5 January 2023 07: 28
    "Yes, in order to get the ranks, there are many channels; As a true philosopher, I judge them: I would only get into the generals." (c)
  28. +7
    5 January 2023 07: 28
    I'm afraid that everything will be hushed up, as the Moscow Region loves, with the show of punishing "scapegoats" (major, deputy head, etc.) In general, nondescript deputies will be punished, and not the whole chain, all responsible persons to the top, like law enforcement officers, as well as civilians. And it is necessary to consider and voice all possible reasons, and not as the investigation and the judicial system loves - guilty, but 2 years on probation, released in the courtroom. Consider everything, in order to avoid unrest. Up to the arbitrariness of those mobilized, from civilian life, to the decision to celebrate the new year. Although, all the same, life cannot be returned, the Kingdom of Heaven to them. The people are outraged. And it is not necessary to fight with him, but with agents on the line of the NVO, with negligence, carelessness, corruption, etc. They can’t even explain what pushes people to betrayal and destroy the cause. It is necessary to revive SMERSH, call it as you like, but they were very effective and short.
    PS Rallies were held in Samara for the victims, but everything was quickly hushed up. Not just a funeral, but rallies... And for how long, just rallies???
    1. -1
      5 January 2023 11: 36
      Quote: Gorynych_1977
      I'm afraid that everything will be hushed up, as the Moscow Region loves, with the show of punishing "scapegoats" (major, deputy head, etc.) In general, nondescript deputies will be punished, and not the whole chain, all responsible persons to the top, like law enforcement officers, as well as civilians.

      Zhukov - as the head of the General Staff of the Red Army - was punished for the defeat of 1941 ?? They punished a trifle like Pavlov ....
    2. +4
      5 January 2023 11: 54
      Not just a funeral, but rallies... And for how long, just rallies???

      ...I'm from 63 regions. It was our guys who were beaten by the "Arbat" ones ... The howl is standing throughout the Samara region. Howl! In memorial service churches - in Samara, in Tolyatti... The authorities are silent - they are waiting for "pointers" from Moscow... Guber Azarov, however, galloped off to Makeevka, to show off in front of the cameras with the locals (Pushilin and others like him). "Caring" ... He promised to take 60-70 wounded to the hospitals of Samara ...
  29. +3
    5 January 2023 07: 31
    In the militia, we have always sketched out the BC in the places of deployment, but where can you put it, if there are few people, who to assign to it?
  30. 0
    5 January 2023 07: 31
    Sorry, this is my experience.
    It is easy to determine the coordinates by RSSI from the BS to the subscriber in the city with an error of up to 15 m. Outside the city, if 1 BS is not realistic, 2 BS of 50-150 meters will come out. But you need to receive information either from the subscriber's phone or from the BS controller.
    Question, is the option "from the subscriber's phone" a proud suicide?
    From the BS controller - whose PD network?
    This is what confuses us, if ours is all merged, if their SIM is from where?
    1. +1
      5 January 2023 11: 38
      Quote: Vsevolod Z
      Sorry, this is my experience.
      It is easy to determine the coordinates by RSSI from the BS to the subscriber in the city with an error of up to 15 m. Outside the city, if 1 BS is not realistic, 2 BS of 50-150 meters will come out. But you need to receive information either from the subscriber's phone or from the BS controller.
      Question, is the option "from the subscriber's phone" a proud suicide?
      From the BS controller - whose PD network?
      This is what confuses us, if ours is all merged, if their SIM is from where?

      Mmm, did one of them take local SIM cards?
      And the concentration in one place is more than 100 sims - this is a notorious object for firing the Armed Forces of Ukraine
  31. -2
    5 January 2023 07: 56
    Quote: Vladimir80
    There are 3 fundamental reasons why the rapid implementation of the stated goals of the NWO is impossible
    .
    stop reprinting this agitation here, the new training manual is worse than the old one!


    You are looking for answers to questions and do not find them within the framework of your logic, not me. good
  32. -13
    5 January 2023 08: 20
    Correctly, the President once said, “The problem is not the existence of the Opposition, but their lack of a Positive Agenda for the country,”

    It's the same on ,, Military Review ,,. The problem is not the existence of fighting couch housewives, but the fact that they can OFFER nothing.

    You go to a branch with a tragedy and no one, in fact, for himself can read an ACTIVE METHOD for avoiding such tragedies or some real proposals. Some snot about "corruption-Kremlin-authority-to-punish-everyone", etc.

    This is the BIGGEST problem stop
    1. +6
      5 January 2023 09: 03
      The problem today in Russia is that the irresponsibility of officials is directly encouraged at the very top by the president himself. In this case, the entire vertical of power rots and smells. And do not blame the sick head on a healthy one. The state of society in the country is primarily responsible for the authorities, who have in their hands all the means to change society. It was not the opposition that made the society this way - the authorities and those who have been personifying this authority for decades have made society this way.
      1. -2
        5 January 2023 11: 41
        Quote from StarWarrior
        The problem today in Russia is that the irresponsibility of officials is directly encouraged at the very top by the president himself. In this case, the entire vertical of power rots and smells.

        Who was punished for the Dead Road? For starting it and abandoning it?
        And for the turn of the rivers? For the millions pumped on it?
        Throw it - spawning so in Rus' it was
    2. +3
      5 January 2023 12: 00
      Some snot about "corruption-Kremlin-authority-to-punish-everyone", etc.

      This is the MAJOR problem stop

      ... Until these are touched PERSONALLY! But then it will become a PERSONAL "MAIN" problem ... IMHO.
  33. +3
    5 January 2023 08: 35
    The army is a mirror of any society of countries. Everyone is already accustomed to the indifference of doctors, teachers, officials after their incompetence, it seems like people do not die immediately, although how to look. Then everyone blames Khodakovsky for not coming, in the Donbass people are a little different, I’m not sure that after a daily shelling in some Moscow, janitors and public utilities would come out and begin to restore order and not send the authorities further. All sorts of shooters offered to mobilize a million, we would hundreds of soldiers would die every day. Well, and the rear services corrupted by corruption, try to get into the Volsk entendan school, etc., it’s understandable that the sons of mediocrity study there. Unfortunately, only when the adversary locks us up, competent people will appear in the right places, and all the rot will be washed away.
    1. +1
      5 January 2023 10: 14
      Quote: alexey_444
      The army is a mirror of any society of countries. Everyone is already accustomed to the indifference of doctors, teachers, officials after their incompetence, it seems like people do not die immediately, although how to look. Then everyone blames Khodakovsky for not coming, in the Donbass people are a little different, I’m not sure that after a daily shelling in some Moscow, janitors and public utilities would come out and begin to restore order and not send the authorities further. All sorts of shooters offered to mobilize a million, we would hundreds of soldiers would die every day. Well, and the rear services corrupted by corruption, try to get into the Volsk entendan school, etc., it’s understandable that the sons of mediocrity study there. Unfortunately, only when the adversary locks us up, competent people will appear in the right places, and all the rot will be washed away.

      But don’t talk about the Volskoe School ... my neighbors had a son there. And they are simple rural teachers without any cronyism.
  34. +2
    5 January 2023 08: 42
    Every time a roasted rooster pecks, it becomes a "major problem".

    And at the same time, this is only what is more or less known.
  35. +9
    5 January 2023 08: 43
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?

    Does he really answer? what No.

    "She drowned" ... And a grin with a fisheye curve. I still remember.
  36. +3
    5 January 2023 08: 43
    Perhaps, yes, I suppose, Okay, and so it will do, Nonsense, it will carry .....
    Our bungling, unwillingness to strain and stupid hope for the stupidity of the enemy - these are the components of this tragedy !!!
  37. +4
    5 January 2023 08: 56
    The main enemy is complete personal irresponsibility. It breeds incompetence.
    As soon as we return the normal chapter 12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960 (articles 237 - 269), in which military crimes, including criminal negligence, were punishable by death in wartime, everything will get better pretty quickly.
    And the competence of commanders will increase significantly, because they will be responsible for their subordinates in the literal sense with their heads.
    1. 0
      5 January 2023 09: 55
      And the competence of commanders will increase significantly, because they will be responsible for their subordinates in the literal sense with their heads.


      But if you're dumb as a tree
      You will be born a baobab...
    2. -3
      5 January 2023 10: 11
      Quote from StarWarrior
      The main enemy is complete personal irresponsibility. It breeds incompetence.
      As soon as we return the normal chapter 12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960 (articles 237 - 269), in which military crimes, including criminal negligence, were punishable by death in wartime, everything will get better pretty quickly.
      And the competence of commanders will increase significantly, because they will be responsible for their subordinates in the literal sense with their heads.

      Just forget that "negligence" extends to soldiers and not just commanders ... where the local authorities have allocated a place there and settled down ... and even less need to tryndet on the phones. And it turns out that all the saints of our soldiers do not make jambs.
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 10: 50
        And why have those who allocated this place still not been shot according to the law of war?
        Does the Russian Federation generally have martial law?
        Or do we still have peace in Russia, do we sing and have fun?
  38. +8
    5 January 2023 08: 57
    that the staver stubbornly does not name the name of Surovkin. Clearly, he has absolutely nothing to do with it. but the reason to remove it has already been found. he did his job - surrendered Kherson, began to dig the Surovikin line. now another one will be appointed, who will hand over the DPR, and continue to dig the line with a genichesk junkie, waiting for the order to withdraw. and they will assign the army general to the surovikin, and for promotion. he already received the cross for Kherson. something the staver didn’t write at the end, everything is going according to plan, I forgot, probably
  39. +3
    5 January 2023 09: 01
    Much can be taken from the Great Patriotic War, with an emphasis on modernity. But for some reason we neglect such invaluable experience. For some reason, the leaders of the country dreamed of having a mobile army at the brigade level, for some reason they disbanded the special forces (I still remember the Berdsky special forces, which successfully carried out all operations in Chechnya, reducing the size of the army to the level of the National Guard, a country having such spaces does not have the right to have an army of 1,5 million, and the weapons must be the most advanced, capable of crushing any enemy, and other important destinies of the army.Almost a year has passed of hostilities, the DRG, the surrounding population are not always adequate to our army, but there is still no SMERSH, without neither traitors nor the crimes of unfortunate commanders like the Makeevsky ones can be traced ... Yes, and the GRU is not heard in action behind enemy lines, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are transferring their units from one point to another like absenteeism along the avenue ... The worst thing in war is betrayal , which never leads to victory!
    1. +2
      5 January 2023 09: 42
      Quite right! I don’t care about the opinion of the site administration!
    2. -1
      5 January 2023 13: 38
      Quote: bsk_una
      there is still no SMERSH,

      And it won’t, because SMERSH worked in sterile conditions of a continuous front line, complete lack of civil and military rights!
      And as soon as these sterile conditions ended, he was immediately liquidated - although Bandera was driven through the forests for another 11 (!!!!) years
  40. +9
    5 January 2023 09: 30
    If it's true ...
    In other cheers, the media have already branded Strelkov a traitor and alarmist, because. he stated about the stored fuel and the victims ... he allegedly lied.

    And the author is somehow very kind not to people, but to Putin, IMHO ... Putin, President, Putin, President ... flickers in the text .. "they framed the head of state to the fullest" - it worries ...

    And "those who do not hush up the existing problems" is partly a criminal offense .. If you don’t shut up, you name names, and according to the law, they can come for you too ...
    1. +4
      5 January 2023 09: 51
      It's an old tradition, to hush up problems, to pretend that they don't exist, to call things by the wrong names, and the one who tears off the other's gzaa is at great risk. In general, an anonymous collection of information about the facts of violations is needed everywhere, people are at the bottom. everyone sees. and everyone understands.
      1. +3
        5 January 2023 10: 05
        Quote: agond
        It's an old tradition, to hush up problems, to pretend that they don't exist, to call things by the wrong names, and the one who tears off the other's gzaa is at great risk. In general, an anonymous collection of information about the facts of violations is needed everywhere, people are at the bottom. everyone sees. and everyone understands.

        We see how everyone understands ... even if they are not able to elect normal leaders in their municipalities.
  41. -6
    5 January 2023 09: 34
    The cat abandoned the kittens, it's Putin's fault!
  42. +4
    5 January 2023 09: 39
    And what thoughts about the tactics of military operations should people have if the army has practically stood still for 10 months ?!
  43. Qas
    +7
    5 January 2023 09: 41
    To the question: "Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?" Here's what I want to answer right now:
    Didn't he create this system based on personal attachment to him?
    And what is the phrase: "... And one more thing. How will the commanders and bosses look into the president's eyes now?..." But don't you want to look into the eyes of the mothers / fathers / children of the dead soldiers?
    1. -3
      5 January 2023 10: 03
      Quote: Qas
      To the question: "Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?" Here's what I want to answer right now:
      Didn't he create this system based on personal attachment to him?
      And what is the phrase: "... And one more thing. How will the commanders and bosses look into the president's eyes now?..." But don't you want to look into the eyes of the mothers / fathers / children of the dead soldiers?

      A very convenient position ... screwed up and blamed the president. The ban on mobile communications in the army did not arise from scratch. And the local authorities allocate the premises and not by typing "I want here" ...
  44. -3
    5 January 2023 10: 01
    In general, the local authorities were distributed there to stay ... where they allocated a place there and settled down. But it's not interesting to delve into such matters. And it is not at all interesting to discuss that the ban on mobile phones in the army did not arise from scratch. So after all, it will not work to poke at the generals.
    1. Eug
      +4
      5 January 2023 10: 57
      And who put forward the requirements for the objects of accommodation of military personnel to the local authorities? who agreed with the provided premises? Surely there are specific names ...
      1. -1
        5 January 2023 11: 02
        Quote: Eug
        And who put forward the requirements for the objects of accommodation of military personnel to the local authorities? who agreed with the provided premises? Surely there are specific names ...

        Who? 1 corps of the DPR... the same DPR people who are praised here in every way, how skillful and sensible they are.
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  46. +5
    5 January 2023 10: 19
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?
    So he shows with all his appearance and behavior that he has nothing to do with it. But some, no matter how they calm down and keep climbing, you know.
  47. +1
    5 January 2023 10: 29
    All education of our officers ends with a school. And then ... How anyone wants to learn on their own. Most, like all other people, do not want to learn anything. And the more stars, the smarter people)))))))). And he doesn't have to study.
  48. Eug
    +3
    5 January 2023 10: 33
    You need to start earlier - with the most severe eradication of all kinds of window dressing, especially during exercises, when plywood shields lined up in a row are skillfully hit. Before the Great Patriotic War, during the exercises, it was practiced to provide actions with hull means of communication and rear support for tank brigades ... Everyone knows what this led to in reality. And, as for me, a very great achievement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the absence of window dressing, the Anglo-Saxons managed to replace it with FUNCTIONALITY ....
    1. 0
      5 January 2023 10: 59
      Quote: Eug
      You need to start earlier - with the most severe eradication of all kinds of window dressing, especially during exercises, when plywood shields lined up in a row are skillfully hit. Before the Great Patriotic War, during the exercises, it was practiced to provide actions with hull means of communication and rear support for tank brigades ... Everyone knows what this led to in reality. And, as for me, a very great achievement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the absence of window dressing, the Anglo-Saxons managed to replace it with FUNCTIONALITY ....

      We remember what led ... the Germans in the Caucasus, on the banks of the Volga and under the walls of Moscow.
  49. +3
    5 January 2023 10: 41
    Quote: nickname7
    Although all our affected moneybags had to gather, come to Putin and offer him their help! After all, Russia allowed them to become fabulously rich!

    These are naive ideas, money bags are immoral. Immoral foolish to call for conscience, what are you talking about?
    The oligarchs are only interested in billions, estates and yachts, and they do not care about the Russian Federation from a high bell tower.

    In the year 14, GDP went over to the side of the oligarchs and defended their property and estates in the west, therefore he recognized Bandershtat and lazily looked at the bombings of Dombass.

    VVP came over to their side much earlier, when he escaped from the Office, just at the moment when she was experiencing serious difficulties and trials ... . Maybe even sooner than we imagine... sad
  50. +5
    5 January 2023 10: 50
    Quote from StarWarrior
    The main enemy is complete personal irresponsibility. It breeds incompetence.
    As soon as we return the normal chapter 12 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1960 (articles 237 - 269), in which military crimes, including criminal negligence, were punishable by death in wartime, everything will get better pretty quickly.
    And the competence of commanders will increase significantly, because they will be responsible for their subordinates in the literal sense with their heads.

    What are you speaking about?! Who will return?! They "sawed" the laws for themselves. For treason in the form of espionage, ridiculous terms are given! Who can make your dreams come true? winked
    1. +2
      5 January 2023 11: 26
      Then defeat is inevitable. No war can be won without iron discipline
  51. +1
    5 January 2023 11: 07
    It is a fact that there is some kind of general lack of organization.
    They transferred the military, but for some reason they didn’t immediately send them to the location (the trenches).
    The front line is practically nearby.
    For example, Ukraine has a NATO system that shows where and who is located; Ukrainian troops play like chess. They also have information about the location of our troops. Regarding our troops, the central headquarters probably has no idea who they have and where they are located.
    Until there is order, we will not win the war.
    Most people just sit and do nothing. The mothers are crying, and will continue to cry as long as they continue to sit in the trenches and do not go on an organized offensive, with aviation, artillery, and missiles. airplanes, helicopters. Until there is centralized control of who is located where and what they are doing, we will achieve nothing.
    1. +2
      6 January 2023 14: 13
      Nothing will work! They made the war not to win, but to intimidate. Everything is like in a kindergarten game.
  52. +7
    5 January 2023 11: 10
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything? Why is it that any issue that can and must be resolved by a not at all big commander or boss is not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?


    Because he turned everything on himself, he built a vertical, developed a cult, suppressed any initiatives.
    1. 0
      6 January 2023 20: 30
      At one time, nothing was decided without Stalin. But he really led. He placed competent and responsible people in key positions, assigned them tasks and goals, daily monitored the progress of their implementation and compliance with deadlines, delved into all emerging problems and helped in eliminating them, harshly punished those who did not fulfill his requirements and failed the case. And the results were obvious. The country won the Second World War, quickly rose from the ruins after the war, created nuclear weapons, etc. Putin, under his absolute power, issues only decrees, appoints narrow-minded, illiterate and mediocre “his” people to key positions, who do not bear any responsibility for failures in their work. He essentially does not control the situation, does not delve into the essence of what is happening, does not know the real state of affairs and does not govern the country. After all, issuing a decree or resolution, allocating money for them, is clearly not enough for them to be implemented. Under our system of power, nothing will be accomplished by itself. Our officials must always be kept on their toes, controlled, kicked, brought to inevitable responsibility in the event of failures in their work, and an adequate personnel and economic policy must be pursued. It seems like our president is not interested in doing this and is bored. Therefore, the country is in chaos and blatant irresponsibility.
      1. 0
        21 January 2023 08: 38
        This is observed in Putin's media - interest in Stalin. It is noticeable that Stalin has stopped being vilified.
  53. -1
    5 January 2023 11: 10
    We have missiles but no spotters, we have an air force but they have no one on the ground to support them, everyone is sitting in the trenches, including a bunch of helicopters flying.
    We need a general, organized offensive by all types of troops.
    We used drones to figure out the location, checked the locations with reconnaissance, and hit them with artillery rockets.
    We went on the attack with the support of helicopters and planes. They gave us target indicators where to hit.
    But they don’t go on the attack because we don’t have armored vehicles for the infantry.
    No one thought to release the T-15 or Kurgan 25, but they are really needed there.
  54. -1
    5 January 2023 11: 13
    The question is why, for example, do not remove the turret from T-62 tanks and install a new one with a 152 mm caliber gun? 125 say little.
  55. +4
    5 January 2023 11: 15
    Is our president really responsible? And if so, who built such a system over the last 20 years, Abama, Trump or Biden, probably?
  56. -1
    5 January 2023 11: 26
    Incompetence and unwillingness to learn the experience of war as the main problem of our army


    The main problem of our army is that it is unnecessary to wage war at half strength and show compassion towards the enemy. The enemy must be destroyed by all means. Both on the battlefield and deep in the rear, otherwise it turns out that by feeling sorry for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we actually get losses on our own. Why are not all Ukrainian military hospitals destroyed? several tens of kilometers from the front line where they are rescuing this wounded animal? Again, we wish that later this unfinished beast would recover and begin to kill civilians and our soldiers again?
  57. +3
    5 January 2023 11: 39
    Yes, yes, yes, the soldiers themselves are to blame for everything, you know, in civilian life, it’s not the good people who are used to using phones, but the commanders, nah - “Rafik is not the culprit.”
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  59. -3
    5 January 2023 11: 54
    I read the comments here and in 95% of them I discovered the old hatred of the holo....worker towards the master. Especially the one “in pince-nez.”
    It is always the regiment commander/plant director/trawler captain, etc. who is to blame for the fact that a proletarian cut off his finger while drunk.
    He served in the Navy in low officer ranks, worked in the merchant and fishing fleets - it’s the same everywhere. Like some kind of emergency with the proletarian - the president, the general and the damned akhvitsir are to blame.
    Have you been to training camps in peacetime? What were these 40-year-old “partisans” doing there? They drank. DRINK!!! That's all.
    And what the hell could that same lieutenant or captain do with them.
    Now on to this matter. The authorities who posted the message in such a way are guilty and should be punished.
    What was this boss supposed to do?
    Remember the videos and discussions on websites about the rebellion of “partisans”? The drunken mugs of the regiment dragging the Polkan by the breasts and mockingly blowing cigarette smoke into his mug's face was received with great approval by the people. Didn’t you pay attention to the faces and appearance of these “Protestants”? But in vain.
    And so they arrived at the front. Place them in huts of 3-5 people? In three hours, the overwhelming majority of them will be lying around their huts drunk and pissing themselves, and the rest, with weapons in their hands, will go to look for women in the neighboring village.
    Swam, we know.
    And what will this company commander do with them?
    By the way, try to take away their cell phones. Will this captain get into every anal hole? But he will get a bullet in the back in one go.
    What about safe underground shelters, as proposed here, where is that?
    In the Moscow metro or Gorky, in Stalin's underground headquarters?
    I understand, colleagues, your mind is boiling with indignation.
    How about thinking with your brain?
    1. +6
      5 January 2023 12: 37
      It’s all in the officers’ job descriptions; if you can’t fulfill them, don’t look for excuses with bad soldiers.
      1. -1
        5 January 2023 14: 30
        So that colonel tried to carry out these job descriptions. And shake him by the chest, even under a recording published on this site. With 95 percent approving comments.
    2. +6
      5 January 2023 12: 44
      Or can you write the same thing, but so that the leitmotif is the old nobleman’s hatred of the stupid redneck from the plow? Or can this not happen?
      1. -1
        5 January 2023 14: 44
        Honestly, I wouldn’t give a damn about this (and at any service level), if I weren’t deprived of my bonus for the fact that one stupid person cut off his own finger with a thug, and another, sticking a knife into a fish maker (which is prohibited), drove over this knife with a brush and mutilated his fingers.
        Or a polite sailor would wake you up in your cabin at the port parking lot and say that you should put a different watchman at the gangway, because he had quarreled with the watchman at the gangway due to drunkenness and just stabbed this watchman to death.
        I went and looked. That's right - he stabbed him to death.
        Well, the police, this and that.
        Well, I installed a new watchman. Service, sir.
    3. 0
      5 January 2023 13: 23
      Real life commentary. About the drinking of the partisans, I pointed out that this could be a gathering of those mobilized for drinking, for the New Year, but the commanders are to blame. Everyone is to blame, from the flea to the bowl. It is necessary to deal objectively, and not subjectively, with a scapegoat. And Seamaster is right, during training camps there were always stupid drinking sessions in nature. But armchair patriots only want to make the commander guilty. And everyone is to blame.... Like Commissioner Maigret...
    4. -1
      5 January 2023 13: 59
      “In three hours, the overwhelming majority of them will be lying around their huts drunk and pissing themselves, and the rest, with weapons in their hands, will go to look for women in the neighboring village.”
      How long have you been involved in the field of clairvoyance?
      1. +2
        5 January 2023 14: 26
        Three years of service in the Navy and 15 years of work on trawlers in the North, side by side with the same types who had just been demobilized and recruited into the trawl fleet, gave me such experience.
        When you fish on the watch side by side with them, you will hear a lot.
        By the way, they didn’t “get caught up”, but “got caught up”. Learn your native language, you curious one of us.
    5. 0
      21 January 2023 08: 37
      You talk about the consequences, but you don’t see the reasons that led to the consequences...
  60. BAI
    +1
    5 January 2023 13: 07
    At least this is the 2nd case. The first - the Chechens were covered. It looks like it's a system. And it will be solved only by personnel methods.
    And we must start from the top - with the General Staff. Specifically - with NGSh.
  61. +2
    5 January 2023 13: 10
    Nobody wants to do anything and refers to the President - because that’s how the system is built. Everything is closed to the President and no one has access there, only through Shoigu and the special services. Decisions on generals and weapons are made by personal connections, not by selection for competence. Ukraine has been picking at this abscess since 2014, and the working solution is control over the army by the representative government and society and information openness. Until we have this, we will continue to be surprised and invoke the spirit of Stalin.
  62. +4
    5 January 2023 13: 12
    What's all this nonsense about phone hoarding? Most of those present here have no idea what frequencies these same phones operate on. And some people believed in hacking drones, until it turned out that even a neighbor’s Wi-Fi is not so easy to hack. Well, a special hello to those who believed in the complete disconnection of the ship Donald Cook from the electronic warfare of Khibiny. Рэб
    1. kaa
      0
      10 January 2023 06: 25
      I am sure that among those present here there will not be a couple of radio intelligence specialists to answer your phones - sleep well.
  63. +3
    5 January 2023 13: 22
    On the railways, the words of People's Commissar Kaganovich are forever in the mind: every wreck has a name, surname, and position. Those. the ugly and incompetent leadership must be held accountable.
    Who of their incompetent military leaders was punished, put on trial, etc.?
    Look at their biographies, so all the higher educational institutions and one or two academies “passed” - such as the Armed Forces and the General Staff.
    So, they teach poorly and the selection there is even worse; the academies do not provide knowledge, but a float that pulls any sheep to the highest positions.

    The benefit of the SVO is that for the first time in 20 years it became obvious that the country is sick and urgent and radical treatment is needed.
    Otherwise there will be nothing to treat...
    They were reassured by the fact that they stopped at the very edge of the cliff in honor of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin Sabbath and did not fall into the abyss.
    How many years did it take for the USSR to become a world power, defeat fascism and restore everything? In robotic cases, less than 22 years have passed since the mother left.
    This means immediately returning to your proven and best system.
  64. +2
    5 January 2023 13: 39
    who is the author? staver? the one who beat himself in the chest that we won’t surrender Kherson? a stupid armchair strategist. You don’t need to read any further than the name of his fabrications
  65. 0
    5 January 2023 13: 45
    I largely agree with Alexander! For example, I am also more inclined to conclude that the SBU agents were at work! (As for the version about detecting a sharply increased radioactivity on the eve of the new year, the activity usually manifests itself somewhere around an hour before the onset of the new year! An hour before the onset of the new year, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had to “detect” this activity..." adjust the appropriate "himars" "(provided that the MLRS is carefully hidden and "far away"!)...visit...well, I don’t know...anything can happen...but doubts still appear!) Also regarding the “statements” of the media about the stupidity and sloppiness shown by the mobilized! For example, I “didn’t graduate from officer training schools” (!); but I’ve been interested in military topics in various manifestations for a long time! And I learned something! I have long known about the dangers of using cellular communications “in war”! But didn't those mobilized know about this? Weren't they taught the rules for using communications in war? They taught you how to shoot and dig in, but they didn’t teach you how to use communications? belay It’s kind of strange to think like that! If we assume, then we must assume not just a mess, but a blatant mess... a mess in a cube! Where is the command’s control over mobile phones? Couldn't this have been done? It probably wouldn’t have worked out “100%”... but it was possible to “minimize” cellular “activity”!
  66. +1
    5 January 2023 13: 56
    I have no words. You can say whatever you want, sloppiness, unprofessionalism, etc.
    But in my opinion, this is a betrayal of Russia and there can only be one sentence - capital punishment and no excuses.
    Otherwise this will continue.
    The consequences are not only the loss of life.
    It's much broader.
    And political and informational and trust in commanders and authorities and doubts among those who wanted to volunteer and much more.
  67. +1
    5 January 2023 14: 35
    Everyone from battalion commanders to commanders of formations and associations guilty of such idiocy should be held accountable. With demotion in positions and ranks.
    It's already been a year since the SVO began.
    EACH TVD HAS ITS OWN FEATURES. Such as material, military-technical, ideological, mental and religious.
    During the year of the victorious operation, with all the victorious reports from the media and the Ministry of Defense, the troops geographically did not achieve anything special.
    Only more and more shells are flying into the depths of Russia. Peaceful people are dying.
    The questions arise: how long will this continue?
  68. +1
    5 January 2023 16: 55
    You might think that all the officials in the Kremlin are very competent! Nepotism, corruption and populism are everywhere! The only, albeit bitter, consolation is that now this is the situation in the leadership of all countries of the World except for countries where dictators rule.
  69. +1
    5 January 2023 17: 15
    Officers and non-commissioned officers of the German army in the period 1935-1944 were trained so that any of them, upon graduation, could competently command two levels higher than they graduated from... military institutes attracted practitioners with experience in military operations for more visual and accurate training ... I can’t say about today, but practice shows that training in the Russian Federation occurs very superficially....
    1. -2
      5 January 2023 17: 41
      Whoa. And penal battalions were introduced in the Wehrmacht 4 years earlier than in the Red Army.
      And Hitler introduced his order No. 227 “Not a step back” 8 months earlier than Stalin.
      And a Wehrmacht soldier who patted the colonel’s chest would be spanked right there, after a short trial consisting of 3 officers. They wouldn’t have discussed the recording of this assault on the Internet with 95% approval.
  70. +1
    5 January 2023 17: 46
    This is war. How likely we would have won if all the armchair hacks had been put in charge of the army. It's nice to comment on a fait accompli.
  71. +1
    5 January 2023 17: 59
    Today, information appeared in the media that the cunning Turk Erdogan proposes to Russian President Putin to unilaterally, as a sign of “Goodwill,” stop military operations in Ukraine. I don’t know the reaction of our authorities, but from the experience of the 1st Chechen campaign, the only difference may be that Chubais and Berezovsky were in charge then, and now Abramovich, but horseradish is not sweeter than radishes...
  72. +1
    5 January 2023 18: 21
    The problem is that responsible military commanders are not held criminally liable for their decisions. There is always an extreme switchman of the lowest echelon. And the main bastards, the colonels and generals, have nothing to do with it as usual. And this is the fault of our president himself - he built such a vertical of untouchable power. His immediate circle, starting with the Minister of Defense, has been throwing dust in their eyes for many years about the rearmament and retraining of the army and navy. All these pompous parades, exhibitions, exercises turned out to be just a scam. Billions of state money have been poured into the pockets of industrial oligarchs. And where is this 70% of modern equipment in the army now? Did you ask someone? The Minister of Defense is still warming his butt in his chair. He's a friend of the president. A devoted person. Like a bunch of others - not responsible for anything. Hence, they don’t care whether 90 or 3000 soldiers died. Not their problem. The people have endured and will endure.
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    1. +2
      5 January 2023 18: 42
      So what? Let them regroup on the other side without fear, pull up reserves where necessary, and unload trains with foreign equipment and ammunition.
      It’s Christmas in our constitutionally secular state! Holiday! The patriarch himself asked - how to refuse?
    2. +2
      5 January 2023 21: 29
      This is another indicator of idiocy and cheap populism
  74. +2
    5 January 2023 18: 37
    Why is any issue that can and must be resolved by a very small commander or boss not resolved without the personal participation of President Putin?

    Because President Putin himself built just such a system.
  75. +1
    5 January 2023 19: 14
    Who is to blame for the death? According to the unwritten law, the culprit will be assigned. There is a level of officials, ministers, generals, admirals and even some colonels who will never be guilty. For 30 years, the new Russia, not in war, lost 21 million of its citizens. The liberal government, the comprador bourgeoisie, is engaged in business, for it human life is a consumable material.
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    1. 0
      6 January 2023 00: 14
      Oh no. Self-employed people and bloggers have a certain combination of talents and skills to attract people. To produce a sought-after product, they do not require management, a workshop, or a personnel department. And taxes are almost half that of an ordinary worker.
      And now the worker will not be able to be absent for a week - a replacement will be found for him very quickly. There aren't any trade unions, are there? No. Therefore, a situation with a shortage of at least some plumber for a week will not arise. They will invite the same self-employed person for a couple of days
  77. +2
    5 January 2023 19: 35
    I will answer the author’s question at the very beginning of the article. - Because that’s how the power model is built. Have you forgotten the annual shows, when grandmothers call and some ask to return the medical office to the village, some ask for the commuter train that was canceled because of Sapsan? And so - throughout the country. So what are you waiting for in the army, if back in the days of the USSR they could not shoot down Rust, whom they saw on the radar, but were waiting for orders from above? In the army, nothing has changed since then. Well, they changed the uniform a little and more often they began handing out general's shoulder straps to civilians
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      10 January 2023 06: 35
      By the way, the entire chain of command above the division was removed for Rust. Those who did not give the order, remembering the scandal with the Korean flight earlier. So something has changed in the army; now they don’t film.
  78. +1
    5 January 2023 19: 39
    The problems are not only in the army. The country has adopted two dozen national projects, the money has been spent, but nothing has been done. These are our miracle officials, the team, and we don’t abandon our own...etc.
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  80. 0
    5 January 2023 21: 14
    gently punish irresponsible bosses! demoted to private!!!
    and quarter people discretely according to wartime regulations!!!!
  81. +1
    5 January 2023 21: 15
    To cite the words of the president as an example means to nullify what you have now correctly criticized. After all, it was he who instilled manual control of literally all actions in the country, window dressing: tank biathlons, aerobatic teams, etc. Sending a lone frigate to the BS, not provided with any cover - this is window dressing and irresponsibility
  82. +1
    5 January 2023 21: 21
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?

    Because the author of the news says WE, having arrogated to himself the right to broadcast for everyone in Russia?
  83. 0
    5 January 2023 21: 24
    We already have a Ministry of General Concern. The Ministry of General Irresponsibility has appeared
  84. 0
    5 January 2023 21: 28
    Sorry for the men.
    Firstly, we do not panic to the delight of the enemy.
    Secondly, I hope that those responsible will be punished and not appointed.
    Thirdly, they will draw conclusions and such losses will be minimal.
    Unfortunately, you cannot completely get rid of the human factor and incompetence. Especially with mobilized ones. It’s not for nothing that they say that the charter is written in blood
  85. 0
    5 January 2023 21: 44
    Chapaev: They won’t fire guns at one person.
  86. Uno
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    5 January 2023 22: 08
    I don’t understand at all why you are attached to these phones, there are such “siphoning” objects all over the front like a car and a trolley. Any residential building will reflect in exactly the same way, but it was hit here. Then everyone can draw their own conclusions
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  88. 0
    5 January 2023 23: 17
    Well, why do we have only the president responsible for everything?

    Perhaps because the president spent 20 years diligently building such a system? Although no: he made it so that he decides everything, but is not responsible for anything.

    Okay, but maybe the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff are responsible for something? Also no.

    For ten years they diligently created the current army. They spent a lot of money on this. Far from what the Americans or the Chinese spend, of course, but an order of magnitude more than the Ukrainians. The army, to put it mildly, did not perform as expected. And what? Are Shoigu and Gerasimov actively cooperating with the investigation and giving valuable testimony? Maybe they would at least resign? Nothing of the kind: they remain at their posts, make difficult decisions, control the lives of hundreds of thousands of mobilized civilians. And if any questions arise, even on this site they prefer to blame everything on Serdyukov. It would be necessary to examine the guilt of General Kuropatkin and Franz Lefort in more detail, but I think that in the coming year it will come to that.

    There are no claims against Putin that Shoigu and Gerasimov deceived him. They were able to deceive not only him. This is the only thing in which they turned out to be true talents and professionals. The Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Milley, expected on February 24 that Ukraine would fall in 3-4 days. Gerasimov’s “works” were studied in the West as a kind of revelation on the level of Clausewitz and Jomini. Here everyone went crazy (maybe, except for the Chinese, they just weren’t particularly frank). But now, after many months, regroupings and difficult decisions, everything became clear to everyone. In the United States they are already demanding a purge of the intelligence and analytical community for the fantastic overestimation of the Russian army. And only Putin has no complaints about the sweet couple. Continue in the same spirit, there will be enough Russian money and Russian men for our lifetime.
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      10 January 2023 06: 41
      It turns out that it was Shoigu and Gerasimov who indicated the building for placement?? Atu them, Atu!
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      6 January 2023 21: 37
      What achievements? Don't you know?
      Soviet orders were abolished. And those that were left as the Order of Alexander Nevsky were converted from a star into a cross.
      And now all the orders, instead of the stars with which Hitler was defeated, are now crosses.
      Instead of red banners with a star, now there are banners with crosses, like those that were in the imperial one.
      And now again there are priests in the army instead of political instructors.
      Maybe that’s why it’s such a success.
  90. -2
    6 January 2023 00: 06
    Bungling bordering on betrayal in Makeevka, when due to the fault of some slob with big stars
    Do you already know who is to blame and what stars he has?
    Or is this an attempt to pass off wishful thinking as reality?
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    The attitude of some commanders towards the war, even after so many months of hostilities, is striking. Some kind of buffoonery. I don't care. And the roots of this lie in the incompetence of commanders and superiors. In self-righteous incompetence

    Before you say anything, you need to understand how the choice of premises is carried out.
    An officer is appointed who must resolve the issue of personnel deployment.
    This officer (even if he knows the city) cannot dispose of property in the city. He (the officer) contacts the city administration, who offer him the appropriate buildings.
    So, the first conclusion is that it is not the officer, but the city administration that has a much greater influence on the choice of premises. So the author clearly got excited about the “big stars”.
    The officer's choice could be bad or very bad.
    What influences the choice of an officer?
    First of all, TIME to resolve this issue. It is the time factor that can have a tragic impact.
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    Who did it?
    Considering that the strike was struck at 00:01 already says a lot. This is a "New Year's gift". This means that everything was prepared in advance and for sure. Once again, FOR SURE.
    Could they hit the place where mobile phones were active? It's practically impossible. This way, you can specifically activate hundreds of mobile phones and the Hymers will hit the void.
    The target for Hymers is chosen extremely carefully. And only after the target has been identified and double-checked, Hymers seems to begin to move out of cover to the point of impact. This is at least half an hour.
    Could local gunners? They could, but again for Hymers (who shoots with an accuracy of 3 m), a more accurate guarantee is needed, and not a guarantee from some “Mikola”.
    A more accurate guarantee is a person from the city administration, who probably could even visit this vocational school in a few hours, find out how things are going, take a more detailed look at where and how the personnel are located, and then give the coordinates.
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    The most likely leak is from the city administration.
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    Teach using examples of the work of the corps of the People's Republics and those units and units that have been fighting since the beginning of the operation. How many lives could we save if such courses were organized at the very beginning of the Northern Military District...

    Yeah, these corps of the people's republics, if not for the Russian army, would already be lying flat and not moving.
    This is not even funny anymore, these people’s militia of the republics for 8 years have not even been able to move the front line away from Donetsk. Well, where can we take an example from them?
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  95. +1
    6 January 2023 02: 18
    Annex No. 7 to the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces
    Russian Federation (to articles 10, 80, 81)
    LIST OF GROSS DISCIPLINARY OFFENSES. PROCEDURE FOR THE EXECUTION OF DISCIPLINARY ARREST
    "1. Gross disciplinary offenses include:
    ............................
    - Violation of the prohibition to carry, while performing the duties of military service, electronic products (instruments, technical means) for household use, in which they can be stored or which allow using the information and telecommunications network "Internet" to distribute or provide audio, photo, video materials and data geolocation, in the following cases:
    - participation in hostilities, performance of tasks in a state of emergency or martial law, armed conflicts, participation in activities to maintain or restore international peace and security or suppress international terrorist activities outside the territory of the Russian Federation;

    - carrying out combat duty, combat service, service in the garrison attire, performance of duties as part of the daily attire;
    -participation in exercises or cruises of ships;
    - being on the territory of a military unit during the working hours established by the daily routine or at other times, if this is due to official necessity;
    - passage of military training;
    - rendering assistance to internal affairs bodies, other law enforcement agencies in protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen, protecting law and order and ensuring public safety;
    - participation in the prevention and elimination of the consequences of natural disasters, accidents and catastrophes."
    The charter is the law for military personnel. First of all, the mobilized and their commanders must be informed of the requirements of the law and military regulations, against signature. Based on the requirements of Appendix No. 7 to the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, “electronic products (devices, technical means) for household purposes” must be confiscated from all military personnel, from commander to private, participating in the military military service. As practice has shown, those who violated the statutory requirements did not have time to receive disciplinary punishment, but paid for it with their own lives. In truth, the statutory requirements are written in blood.
  96. +1
    6 January 2023 03: 22
    Unfortunately, in the current government bodies, medicine and law enforcement agencies, a system of negative selection, nepotism and twinning has been built. Well, they don’t let the smart and talented people come up. The person who was supposed to become the next Zhukov is now pouring concrete or rolling a baby around the warehouse, but because of the system he simply spat and left there.
    Now there are no demonstrative executions, the perpetrators are not even tried; they are simply excused by changing positions and, often, promotions. Why suddenly all these “godfathers”, “brothers” and “in-laws” start thinking? What will they think, and most importantly, why if everything is fine with them?
    Therefore, this line about unnecessary losses will not go anywhere, because the people will remain the same. New and smart personnel cannot be recruited from the street in a hurry. They must be raised, brought up in the proper cultural environment, so that the subordinate soldier is for all officers, young and old, not a silent slave, but a brother, comrade and the main support in battle who is protected.
    And what was so needed was an idea at the state level, an idea for the country as a whole, for all the people. But today we have no national idea. The national idea today is to make as much money as possible, so that storerooms and basements are bursting with pieces of paper. And so it is everywhere. So why does everyone expect things to be different in the army?
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    1. +1
      7 January 2023 02: 21
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      Do you think during the Crimean War, the merchants and officials who stole everything and everyone had English passports?

      Do you think the mold or rats destroying your grain reserves have wolf fangs?
      Do you think that someone who is not hit by a car is guaranteed no death from a falling icicle? What does the Crimean War have to do with it? what are you talking about?

      In order to solve any problem, you must first understand the cause, and not mix everything together.
      problems with wolves and rats pose different threats and are solved by different methods.
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      No, they were also great patriots of the Tsar and the Fatherland (and this is not sarcasm).

      This is nonsense, simply by definition.
      if you are for the fatherland, then you will not steal from it, so do not tell us fairy tales that Chikatilo loved women.
      and one can only be a patriot of the fatherland; it is impossible to be a patriot of the Tsar, simply by definition.
  98. +1
    6 January 2023 08: 24
    Only about Putin there is no need for Dithyramb. I'm fed up.
    "I'm the boss - you...
    You are the boss - I am."
    Anyone who has served knows that this is the basic Principle of army command.
    Interesting:
    what is the number of generals (active and retired) in Russia now? And how many of them know how to dig a trench?
    Sentence:
    Create divisions from generals and trenches to the front line.
    If they die, it’s not a pity. If they survive, they will definitely become wiser.
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  100. +2
    6 January 2023 11: 29
    The bungling comes from the top. If the command does not understand and is fooled by its own propaganda, then what can it demand from those below?