Armed Forces of Ukraine struck from the MLRS HIMARS at the location of the military in Makeyevka - the reaction of military correspondents

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Armed Forces of Ukraine struck from the MLRS HIMARS at the location of the military in Makeyevka - the reaction of military correspondents

As local residents reported, in the first minute of the new year, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a strike from the HIMARS MLRS at the location of Russian military personnel in Makeevka (DPR). The military command, apparently, is not well aware of the possibilities of this weapons.

This conclusion is made in his Telegram channel by the Deputy Minister of Information of the Donetsk People's Republic Daniil Bezsonov.



This official, who has solid combat experience, considers the case in Makeevka a serious miscalculation of the leadership.

I hope that the perpetrators who made the decision to use this facility will be punished

- writes Bezsonov.

He notes that on the territory of Donbass there are enough industrial facilities that have stopped working, where there are strong buildings and basements. It was there, in his opinion, that personnel should be placed, and not in buildings near the front line, and placed too crowded.

But even if such facilities are not enough, the DPR has special mine-building equipment that allows you to create fortified underground bunkers.

The reaction of military correspondents to what happened was extremely sharp. Yes, a journalist Alexander Sladkov stated in his TG channel that he considers the main reason for the incident to be the inaction of specialists responsible for the safe deployment of personnel, or their absence.

Like Bezsonov, Sladkov draws attention to the fact that the Donbass has equipment capable of creating reliable underground shelters for our servicemen. Moreover, in Yasinovataya (DPR) there is a machine-building plant that produces it. It is, says the reporter, about tunneling equipment capable of breaking through and concrete tunnels. But on the Donetsk land there are a lot of waste heaps (high rock dumps). They could, Sladkov believes, be dug up by underground concrete passages, safely placing personnel in them.

Russian journalist and member of the Moscow City Duma Andrey Medvedev, commenting on the tragedy in Makeevka on Telegram, he believes that its specific perpetrators should be identified and their names made public.

On New Year's Eve, the Ukrainian military opened fire from the HIMARS MLRS on the building of a vocational school in Makeevka. Many of our soldiers were stationed there. The exact number of dead and wounded has not yet been reported, but presumably there were many victims. In particular, this is what the military commander claims in his Telegram channel Boris Rozhin.
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  1. +126
    2 January 2023 10: 00
    They write a lot about the stupidity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the leadership of Ukraine. In VO, in general, people like to joke. And then his own stupidity led to tragedy. Just . Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.
    1. +15
      2 January 2023 10: 05
      So they will tell us ... Most likely, he will also be recorded as dead and even buried with a guard of honor ..
      1. +49
        2 January 2023 12: 30
        Quote: AlexTires
        Most likely, he will also be recorded as dead and even buried with a guard of honor ..

        It won't happen, they just won't say anything. And military correspondents are military correspondents. Sladkov began to talk about the true state of affairs, got a kick in the ass and, like, went on vacation for six months. So it is with others. Strelkov was generally thrown out, it’s good that they didn’t put him in jail until they put him in jail.
        1. +28
          2 January 2023 14: 50
          "The military command, apparently, is not well aware of the capabilities of this weapon."
          ************************************************** ****************************************
          Well, if it represents "not good enough", then this is not a "military" command, but simply clerks "in military uniforms" ... And the difference here is fundamental. For even a real, junior commander, with the rank of sergeant and the position of "chest of drawers", will not allow such treatment with the subordinate personal status entrusted to him ...

          And here, simply, in essence and in form, they "exposed" Russian servicemen to the enemy in the "form of a target at a training ground" ...

          This is no longer a question of the "further career" of clerks in Russian military uniforms, but a subject for real investigation by the military prosecutor's office. And those same questions, "where are the landings," which the Head of the Russian State once publicly voiced, in relation to some "bad" subjects of economic and administrative activity. By the way, he is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief ...

          The congratulations of the President on the New Year were listened to and heard by the country and its Armed Forces and people. Now, in the context of Makiivka, it would be nice, FINALLY, for the TENTH MONTH of NWO, to hear and see - "where are the landings"? ..
          1. +22
            3 January 2023 04: 55
            Have you watched Ogonyok or whatever this program is called? Did you notice how many generals of the Heroes of Russia were there? In my opinion, a general can receive such a high rank only for a successfully planned and carried out operation, he does not sit in the trenches, he does not throw himself under a tank with a grenade. Where are these operations? Operation to take over that barn
          2. 0
            3 January 2023 10: 01
            Yes, and the soldiers themselves with cell phones. With such crowding of phones, just do not take the opportunity to strike. Yes, and in every hut there are potentially gunners. The soldiers themselves, of course, were looking for more comfort.
            1. +6
              3 January 2023 10: 59
              What do you think the soldiers themselves chose where to settle?
            2. SSR
              +1
              3 January 2023 13: 42
              Quote: zloybond
              Yes, and the soldiers themselves with cell phones. With such crowding of phones, just do not take the opportunity to strike.

              Until now, many carry smartphones, turn them on, take a picture, post a photo, turn it off, but it's! geotags on the photo do not go anywhere!!!
              My friend, a vigorous physicist, was hysterical - why can't mobiles take smartphones?
              And kind of smart.
            3. +1
              3 January 2023 15: 07
              Quote: zloybond
              Yes, and the soldiers themselves with cell phones.

              There is one thing, but there is no network there. Both sides understand that cellular communication is a great communication opportunity and remove it immediately.
              1. SSR
                0
                3 January 2023 20: 57
                Quote: YOUR
                Quote: zloybond
                Yes, and the soldiers themselves with cell phones.

                There is one thing, but there is no network there. Both sides understand that cellular communication is a great communication opportunity and remove it immediately.

                turn it on, take a picture, post a photo, turn it off, but it! geotags on the photo are not going anywhere!!!

                Take an interest in this issue and do not care that smart without a SIM card.
                1. +1
                  4 January 2023 03: 15
                  Quote from S.S.R.
                  Take an interest in this issue and do not care that smart without a SIM card.

                  I asked. Without a network of figurines and not a connection, not a satellite phone
            4. +4
              3 January 2023 15: 15
              I’m generally freaking out, of course I think they turned on the phones, but after all, someone placed them in one unsuitable building ?! What were these people taught in military schools for several years? That's what? I remember at the lessons of the NVP, our military instructor, a front-line soldier, said that when in films they show how a column of soldiers goes near the front, do not believe it, this cannot be. The soldiers are not in the rear, but near the front, they are dispersed, because the Germans have observers and the column can always be covered with mortars. and this was at that time, but, now, when calls are being monitored and drones are flying, what MORON, you can pick another word here, placed a battalion in one building? Here, the Ukrainians were covered at the training grounds, he heard about it, so why is he sure that they will not be covered? And these people were trained in military schools? The worst thing is that I am sure no one will be punished and I am sure this is not the last case! Because IRRESPONSIBILITY FROM TOP TO THE BOTTOM! And it is necessary by the scruff of the neck and out, at best, to Prigozhin on LBS!
              1. +3
                4 January 2023 04: 57
                Now there are no NVP lessons for a long time, and young captains and majors, who are entrusted with 120 people, were born in the 1990s and have not heard stories about WW2 from anyone
          3. VB
            -3
            3 January 2023 15: 06
            It is necessary to serve in the army, starting from the school, and not a "jacket" for at least a dozen years, and everything will be clear.
            1. 0
              5 January 2023 05: 44
              Quote: VB
              It is necessary to serve in the army, starting from the school, and not a "jacket" for at least a dozen years, and everything will be clear.

              Urgent need to serve as a soldier first.
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      1. 9PA
        +10
        2 January 2023 10: 19
        They will send you for a promotion, as the chief inspector there, etc.
        1. +13
          2 January 2023 14: 00
          More correctly in such cases - those involved in the front lines. The only correct solution.
          1. +2
            3 January 2023 06: 42
            To the musicians, stormtroopers, let them try how much a pound is dashing
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    3. -44
      2 January 2023 10: 16
      Quote: kaufman
      Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.


      it will fly into any building and the point is not in the building, but in the fact that it is necessary to place the military and mobilized in small groups of people in order to minimize losses. Do not forget that more than 500 Western satellites work for Ukraine, and the HIMARS missile has excellent penetrating power, which will reach even in the basement of an industrial building .
      In general, these same military correspondents need a new law regulating their activities, otherwise they began to take on a lot.
      1. +12
        2 January 2023 15: 23
        "Do not forget that more than 500 Western satellites are working for Ukraine, and the HIMARS rocket has excellent penetration power, which will reach even in the basement of an industrial building."
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        And the Russian Armed Forces do not have strike weapons capable of hitting and destroying the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis? .. Could you tell me? ..

        Yes, yes, "the very ones" whose inhabitants, the overseas and NATO-vskie masters of the Kyiv Natsiks, have been successfully using for TEN MONTHS to reach an agreement on the supply of foreign "military assistance" to the denazified and demilitarized Kyiv regime? .. And the aforementioned Haimars, in in particular?.. And for the SUCCESSFUL ORGANIZATION of these deliveries?..

        Where are they, these, loudly "presented" since the beginning of the operation in Syria, strikes "on decision-making centers"? ..

        By the way, a protected, equipped "basement" of an industrial building, such as, for example, the "catacombs" of Azovstal, is quite capable of protecting even "non-dispersed" personnel from Khaimars.

        But this is only in the first case, if after the start of "partial mobilization", with the call-up of 300 conscripts, timely think about the forthcoming need for their deployment. And the possible places for their placement, relying on the help and capabilities of the local industrial and production potential and infrastructure, in terms of engineering, reliably, equip ...

        And, of course, if we “remember” in a timely manner about such ACTIVE means of ensuring the safety of personnel as an object air defense / missile defense system ...
        1. 0
          3 January 2023 01: 19
          Quote: ABC-schütze
          And the Russian Armed Forces do not have strike weapons capable of hitting and destroying the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis? .. Could you tell me? ..


          I’ll tell you. And there are weapons and decision-making centers are amazed. Or do you think that the military decision-making center in Ukraine is Zelensky and Arestovich, together with the Ukrainian Rada?

          Quote: ABC-schütze
          By the way, a protected, equipped "basement" of an industrial building, such as, for example, the "catacombs" of Azovstal, is quite capable of protecting even "non-dispersed" personnel from Khaimars.


          only there are catacombs of this level only on the very Azovstal.


          Quote: ABC-schütze
          But this is only in the first case, if after the start of "partial mobilization", with the call-up of 300 conscripts, timely think about the forthcoming need for their deployment. And the possible places for their placement, relying on the help and capabilities of the local industrial and production potential and infrastructure, in terms of engineering, reliably, equip ...


          what nafig deployment centers if in Russia even laws according to which a contract army could not freely scatter from the battlefield were adopted only six months later.
          What are you talking about.

          Quote: ABC-schütze
          And, of course, if we “remember” in a timely manner about such ACTIVE means of ensuring the safety of personnel as an object air defense / missile defense system ...


          to begin with, it is necessary that each mobilized surrender all the means of actively targeting the enemy to himself, namely the same phones, regardless of whether they are push-buttons or smartphones. Any cellular even turned off is a means of targeting the enemy at you weapons.
          1. +3
            3 January 2023 13: 14
            Yes, I believe that the Kyiv clown in the position of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is the MAIN decision-making center of the denazified and demilitarized, according to the goal and main tasks of the Russian NWO, the Kyiv regime ...

            And stop wagging "smartly", hiding behind powerless - childish babble that the "main center" of decision-making is "overseas", in "Brussels", "Mons" or somewhere else, on "Kudykina mountain". ..

            Heal, citizens of the Kremlin inhabitants, and inhabitants of the Kremlin waiting rooms, in the status of "advisers" and other "experts", from political impotence. And inflict, FOR THE BEGINNING, regular and targeted massive strikes against the "non-main" decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis and their inhabitants ...

            Which by their owners, ALREADY TEN MONTHS, HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY USED AS A "WORKING" INSTRUMENT to damage Russia's national security (including military damage) and damage Russia's national interests.

            Incl. and for the destruction of Russian military personnel and the killing of the Russian civilian population, directly on Russian territory ...

            Already fed up with their banal and impotent politicking, ridiculously passed off as some kind of "high politics" ... TEN MONTHS HAVE ALREADY PASSED, IT'S TIME for the "Kremlin" to GO TO DECISIVE and UNCOMPROMISING DECISIONS and ACTIONS.

            AND REAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR CONSEQUENCES TO TAKE ON. Including "unpleasant" ones related to hypothetical "explanations" to "partners" for the regular destruction of the inhabitants of Kyiv rat houses ...

            By the way, at the beginning of February, the EU is holding a European-Bandera "summit" in Kyiv. And one of the most important issues is the discussion of FURTHER SUPPLY of ARMS and MILITARY EQUIPMENT needed by the denazified and demilitarized Kyiv regime ...

            Behind this, continue to "hum" that the place where this NEXT, "Euro-Bandera" gangway will take place, "is not" any "real" decision-making center ... Good luck to you, in these "clarifications" ...
            1. VB
              -1
              3 January 2023 15: 19
              Who will make the decisions, I wonder? Who has families and relatives and friends with his and their money in the west? Where does the Lavrov family live? Who will he fight for? How did Stalin deal with Dybenko for asking the US Ambassador for his sister? Even Primakov has an apartment in Limassol on the waterfront to this day. And the pole in Gelendzhik, remember? How is Abramovich doing with Chubais?
            2. +2
              3 January 2023 18: 18
              A very sensible comment! I completely agree: you cannot strike at the main decision-making centers - strike at non-main decision-making centers!!!
              In the end, these blows will also not be in vain. Yes, they will not frighten overseas masters and puppeteers - but on the other hand, they will greatly affect the nerves and morale of the direct performers (which are the command and personnel of the ukrovermacht)
            3. +2
              4 January 2023 05: 02
              Do not forget that 2.5 years ago, of the two candidates for this post, Zelensky was considered more "pro-Russian" compared to Poroshenko
      2. 0
        2 January 2023 15: 35
        inaction of specialists responsible for the safe deployment of personnel, or their absence

        What pancake still such "accommodation specialists"? Did such a full-time position appear in the Armed Forces? Specifically, their commanders are responsible for these mobilized.
        and the point is not in the building, but in the fact that it is necessary to place the military and mobilized in small groups of people in order to minimize losses

        It is necessary so necessary. This is understandable, probably we are not the only ones so smart, but is there really an opportunity to do this? Well, it's trite to disperse at least a platoon company, you need to have at least 3 "points". And if you need to disperse the regiment? It's not an easy planning task, actually.
        In general, these same military correspondents need a new law regulating their activities.

        Well, yes, well, yes, the most necessary now. Regulate military officers. Without what and without this nothing.
        1. -1
          3 January 2023 01: 24
          Quote: alexmach
          Well, yes, well, yes, the most necessary now. Regulate military officers. Without what and without this nothing.


          you probably forgot how many times the Russian military flew in because the military correspondents posted their video reports in real time, hunting for a rating until they were slapped on the hands and there were fewer arrivals and casualties among the Russian military.
    4. +52
      2 January 2023 10: 26
      Previously, "Akhmat" was put like this, no one drew conclusions! Then they kept silent and quietly lowered on silence like an isolated case and a miss, and now it's a relapse.
      1. +28
        2 January 2023 10: 44
        Quote: Argon
        Previously, "Akhmat" was put like this, no one drew conclusions! Then they kept silent and quietly lowered on silence like an isolated case and a miss, and now it's a relapse.

        This "decision" definitely has an "author" - a specific clerk with stripes, and if he is not punished for his stupidity, or even intent, then I don’t even know ... Then you can probably already wait for Abrams in Khimki ...
        And as for the dispersed placement - e mayo, the 21st century is in the yard, there are containers, bulldozers! He dug in on the roof, and not on the roof, so he half-collapsed and that's it, from above you can strengthen it as you like, there is no danger of collapse.
        1. +45
          2 January 2023 11: 27
          Who are the authors of our "successes" - secret information. 1,5 million sets of "Warrior" were "mastered", the information was made public - the author was not named. And it will continue to be so until there are decisive personnel decisions.
          1. +39
            2 January 2023 13: 45
            Quote: yuriy1863
            Who are the authors of our "successes" - secret information.

            What is characteristic - in my opinion, all the media have played the story, when a couple of mobilized people who refused to go to the NVO are pulled out of action, an investigator from the military prosecutor's office reads out the accusation, they immediately twist their hands and take them away.
            But so far they have not shown how at least one high-ranking person responsible for large-scale violations, negligence and failures with victims is being twisted in the same way.
          2. +3
            3 January 2023 10: 20
            Yes, it will! Silently, silently, slowly, until they forget! We will never know the real culprits!
            1. -1
              3 January 2023 12: 52
              ... the last words of the guilty were: "Come on Zaya, I don't give a shit about the company commander, I want to call!"
              1. -2
                3 January 2023 13: 26
                Unfortunately, that's how it was. A mass of people, at one point, began to call home with congratulations. Of course, this does not remove the blame from those responsible for the placement of personnel.
        2. -1
          2 January 2023 12: 34
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          This "decision" definitely has an "author" - a specific clerk with stripes

          There are no clerks with stripes. Earlier, in my opinion, Saltykov-Shchedrin said, I could be wrong, read Russian fairy tales where there are about generals. Basically, they are told about them that they are loafers, lazy, but nowhere is it that they are stupid. It looks like Saltykov-Shchedrin was wrong.
          1. +12
            2 January 2023 12: 39
            Quote: YOUR
            There are no clerks with stripes.

            Who are the commanders? With photo reports, beautiful tables, painted borders and the stupidity of the decisions made - these are clerks with stripes.
            1. +8
              2 January 2023 13: 40
              Who are the commanders? With photo reports, beautiful tables, painted borders and the stupidity of the decisions made - these are clerks with stripes.

              No, they now have a different name, a newfangled one - "effective managers" ... We don't have a war, but an NWO (popularly nicknamed "bastard") ... And to fight "... we haven't started yet ..." .
        3. +10
          2 January 2023 15: 29
          And apparently not alone...

          In short, in the context of the SVO, the Russian military prosecutor's office, in the Russian "organizers and planners", has already accumulated a "backlog" that is quite capable of "competing" with the volume of cases "excited" against the Kyiv Nazis from "Azov" and other war criminals of the Kyiv regime . In a PRIORITY order, released, even without a "formal" sentence, by "exchange" ...
      2. +25
        2 January 2023 13: 40
        Quote: Argon
        Previously, "Akhmat" was put like this, no one drew conclusions!

        As I understand it, in this war, a certain number of mobilized should be burned simply for training and training untrained generals (since they don’t seem to read military textbooks in principle). It took one season to show them that they shouldn't place large ammunition depots within range of Hymars fire. Looked time, another, tenth - and were convinced. Now another heels of arrangements with recruits to smash to pieces - you look, and the generals will master this issue in practice.
        As the president said, allowing generals to serve up to 70 years instead of 65 - "in order to continue to benefit from their experience and qualifications"? Hmmm, more and more "experience", and less and less learning ...
    5. +42
      2 January 2023 10: 45
      10 months to fight "stupidity"? Too much like...
      1. +37
        2 January 2023 11: 21
        And after all, everyone is well aware of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for reconnaissance of targets and strikes. The practice of centralized storage of ammunition has long been stopped. But that is ammunition - they have been dispersed, moved, masked for several months now. And here people - what is the connection? It is clear why they were placed in a heap - it is easier to control the authorities so that they do not run away, do not get drunk. And if they cover with one rocket - well, that means they will be heroes, and they will definitely not scatter and get drunk. It’s even easier for the authorities - for an escape and an emergency, they will take off their heads, and if they died, then what is the demand? All questions to the enemy. Say what you like, but people have always been considered the least valuable of all resources.
        1. +14
          2 January 2023 11: 41
          It’s clear why they were placed in a heap - it’s easier for the authorities to control so that they don’t run away, don’t get drunk
          The general reasons you listed are correct. I will also add negligence, laziness, irresponsibility, lack of brain for many years on the way up the career ladder.
          If they knew that they would quickly figure it out, in a maximum of a week, and not cover it, but honestly, then they would change their attitude. For such failures, those who hurried to place and did not prepare their places in the rank and file and on the front would have been in a hurry.
          1. +19
            2 January 2023 12: 16
            Quote: nikon7717
            The general reasons you listed are correct. I will also add negligence, laziness, irresponsibility, lack of brain for many years on the way up the career ladder.

            Mobilization was initially carried out incorrectly. What kind of combat coordination????
            The most correct thing was to strengthen the existing units, so that experienced people would train 2-3 fighters each. And the fact that they are taught to shoot and run in formation at the training ground, this is all garbage. Experience is the son of difficult mistakes, here is the main teacher.
            Not a single officer operating in the Donbass would have acted like this. This is a typical newbie mistake.
            In the army in general, ambitions have always been very big, and not a single military man will ever say that he cannot or does not know how. The army gave an order and they carry it out, as they know how.
            Any normal specialist will say that it is necessary to strengthen the existing units with reservists, but they will never do this in the army, they will do it (have already done it), they have formed new units in which not a single soldier has experience.
            And this is sad.
        2. +6
          2 January 2023 13: 48
          Say what you like, but people have always been considered the least valuable of all resources.

          "...Women are still giving birth...". Familiar. They just don’t take into account the “demographic failure” every 25 years, since the times of the USSR (they knocked out the peasants back in the Second World War) ... And the USSR has long been gone ...
      2. +10
        2 January 2023 12: 43
        Maybe stupidity is on the wrong front line? But the fact that we are fighting a competent and motivated enemy is for sure
        1. +7
          2 January 2023 13: 52
          Maybe stupidity is on the wrong front line? But the fact that we are fighting a competent and motivated enemy is for sure

          My God, finally understanding comes! At least here...
    6. +5
      2 January 2023 11: 00
      Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.

      What do you think? Everyone is silent about it...
      1. -1
        3 January 2023 12: 49
        And you just have to drink .. t! Drink ... Deliver already! Congratulated relatives!
    7. +4
      2 January 2023 12: 50
      By the way, Yandex often refers to articles by VO. I looked through, there is an article about the main NATO member and his vision of the future ... About this tragedy, silence.
      1. +7
        2 January 2023 14: 06
        About this tragedy-silence.

        How about? "The Moor has done his job ...".
        But we don’t have a war ... We have a NWO, with a "fraternal" people ... So, "we play spillikins" ... and have not started yet "...
      2. +1
        2 January 2023 16: 25
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        By the way, Yandex often refers to articles by VO. I looked through, there is an article about the main NATO member and his vision of the future ... About this tragedy, silence.

        There are articles on Yandex Zen.
    8. +2
      2 January 2023 15: 21
      Quote: kaufman
      Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.

      So, in my opinion, there have already been such strikes several times in recent months, against large groups of Russian troops, the Wagnerites, who chose hotels, hostels as their place of deployment, it’s understandable why, because it’s comfortable. It is impossible to hide such a deployment among the not entirely benevolent part of Ukrainians towards the RF Armed Forces. Ukrainians at the beginning of the NMD made the same mistakes, regardless of the order, or the order came out late, but in the first weeks there were strikes on military units, where, due to the stupidity of the commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there were military personnel in their barracks.
    9. GIS
      -1
      3 January 2023 10: 35
      And what's with the building. if they write that many used cell phones to communicate with others. if this is not so, correct me.
      without regard to this terrible tragedy: I’m not sure that among the mobilized there weren’t a couple of idiots secretly using a smartphone.
    10. +2
      3 January 2023 11: 23
      Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.

      It's not about one person, it's about the system. The deployment of personnel not destroyed by missiles near the front must be planned several months in advance, by building bunkers and bomb shelters with communication lines. Basements should also be used. But there is no planning, there are no competent people in the General Staff.
    11. 0
      3 January 2023 12: 47
      Who is that stupid degenerate who decided that it was possible to crack on the phone despite the prohibitions? Isn’t he one of those who has an order, not an order ... And there were more than one of them, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not hit 4 missiles on one mobile!
    12. VB
      -1
      3 January 2023 15: 03
      Putin, Shoigu, Gerasimov, Surovikin are the main ones.
    13. 0
      3 January 2023 17: 01
      At the expense of stupidity, you can compete, it is not known who will win! soldier I think that ours will still be ahead! good Distinguished more than once in planning for 10 months! feel There is no need to offend them, the star of Vladimir Irreplaceable to everyone! good
    14. 0
      3 January 2023 18: 01
      The degenerate who placed the mobilized in this building will be determined during the investigation of the GVP of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and who allowed the smartphones to be left to these mobilized and did not provide them with information security and did not warn of the potential danger. This is already a question for those responsible for the combat training of the mobilized - the foundations of the information security of the modern army should be its integral part
  2. +48
    2 January 2023 10: 01
    In less than two days, they decided to publish the news on VO ...)
    1. -18
      2 January 2023 10: 21
      Quote: AlexTires
      Less than two days later, VO decided to publish the news


      and you wanted to be published immediately and thereby deprived some of the holiday, while others (whose mobilized relatives are in Makeevka) were horrified, deprived of peace, rest and sleep?
      1. 0
        2 January 2023 10: 25
        you wanted to be published immediately and thereby deprived some of the holiday

        January 1 - Bandera's birthday laughing
      2. +22
        2 January 2023 10: 27
        Right. We'd better feast, during the plague.
        1. -25
          2 January 2023 11: 15
          Quote: DominickS
          We'd better feast, during the plague.


          and what will we hype on the death of our mobilized by increasing the ratings and audience of bloggers, military correspondents and other media?
          1. +11
            2 January 2023 12: 34
            Quote: lopvlad
            Quote: DominickS
            We'd better feast, during the plague.


            and what will we hype on the death of our mobilized by increasing the ratings and audience of bloggers, military correspondents and other media?

            Don't hype, but tell the truth. Don't you see the difference?
            1. -3
              3 January 2023 01: 41
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              Don't hype, but tell the truth. Don't you see the difference?


              it’s you who don’t see the difference what and when you can say. Because you don’t think about the relatives of the dead, who need to be told when it is definitely confirmed that their relative was injured or died, but about conveying information to everyone in a row.
              Or do you think you had to call on New Year's Eve, "Oh, sorry, your relative was in the building that was fired upon by the enemy and we still don't know whether he is alive or dead. But if something happens, be prepared." As a result, several coffins from relatives are formed at the other end of the tube mobilized at the same time, the mobilized person himself could be a survivor.
          2. +10
            2 January 2023 17: 55
            When you understand that if you do not tell the truth, "well-wishers" will tell it
      3. +7
        2 January 2023 13: 01
        Quote: lopvlad
        and you wanted to publish it right away and thereby deprive some of the holiday, while others (whose relatives are mobilized in Makeevka) were horrified, deprived of peace, rest and sleep?

        You may not post anything at all.
        Then everything will be fine with peace, rest and sleep.
    2. +29
      2 January 2023 10: 43
      VO at least decided and published. And others generally took water in their mouths and are cowardly silent.
    3. +7
      2 January 2023 11: 04
      Xh'ly write about more than 300 dead...
      1. -10
        2 January 2023 11: 17
        Well, grunts bombed Moscow and Voronezh on New Year's Eve. The truth is only in the cart - so this is such a source of information.
      2. -2
        2 January 2023 17: 16
        Quote: Arbeiternegast
        Xh'ly write about more than 300 dead...

        for especially hohloo-gifted and others, they won’t write anything -
        "The Ministry of Defense of Russia announced the death of 63 Russian soldiers during the strike of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Makeevka"
        https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1093433-63-rossiiskie-voennye-pogibli-makeevka
        1. +4
          2 January 2023 17: 34
          Reassured, oh how reassured ... """"
        2. +8
          2 January 2023 17: 56
          These are the confirmed ones who got pulled out. The rubble is still being cleared. The whole building is in ruins. Usually some building or floor, and then the whole building.
        3. +3
          3 January 2023 06: 13
          These are just official data, they should be treated with skepticism.
  3. +35
    2 January 2023 10: 01
    Well, to arrange it in a crowded LS is one side of the coin. who leaked information and coordinates to svidomites?
    it was not an accidental shelling - they hit purposefully.
    1. +34
      2 January 2023 10: 03
      who leaked the coordinates to svidomites

      someone from the "one people"
      1. +23
        2 January 2023 11: 33
        someone from the "one people"

        I would say - "brotherly" ... Only a complete sucker who was "deceived again" can think so ...
        For 30 years, the "generation of Pepsi" and "victims of the Unified State Examination" of the so-called. "Bologna" education system and more than one ... And what can we say about them. Even Bastrykin warned him about this... This so-called "People" did not believe him. "power"... Get...
        There, children in schools jump on September 1 - and yell "Moskalyak to Gilyak", "whoever doesn't jump - that Muscovite" .... At checkpoints they stand with wooden "automatic machines" - they check the passers-by with the word "polyanytsa" ...
        When he saw off his nephew with a consolidated detachment in March (the colonel of the OMON, both "Chechen", business trips to the mountain points ...) - he said to him - "Throw these nonsense about" fraternal people "from your head ... You yourself will return and bring the guys alive ... ".
        He said a lot about these "French" ones (Google to the rescue).
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    3. +23
      2 January 2023 10: 05
      Either local or those in uniform. This is nonsense, not such a drain. Budanov won claimed that they already know all the orders of the General Staff of the Russian Federation even before approval
    4. +25
      2 January 2023 10: 08
      Or maybe you still need to ask those who give stupid orders and those who do not organize the suppression of mobile communications in areas of conducting b / actions? And it’s good to cover up your stupidity and incompetence with “Svidomites”.
      1. +21
        2 January 2023 10: 56
        And you ask the president why our territories are being shelled, why our citizens are dying for the sake of Abramovich, Miler and the like. I deeply doubt that he will answer us.
        1. +22
          2 January 2023 11: 09
          Of course, he won’t answer, even the “direct line”, about which every year, in a chokehold, as about another revelation, was canceled.
          1. +21
            2 January 2023 11: 51
            Quote from AdAstra
            get out even the "straight line", about which every year in choking, as about another revelation, canceled

            Canceled for the reason that 90% of the questions will be in the style of "How long"?
            And there is nothing to answer ...
        2. +1
          2 January 2023 14: 02
          Deon59 Well, and straight Miler and Abramovich are the beneficiaries?
      2. -12
        2 January 2023 11: 20
        That is, it is not necessary to ask Svidomites about your words? Nice thing to go into hysterics. To accuse all the bosses in an auction on the topic - who will mix the higher authorities with shit - who mixes Putin with shit about this incident receives the main prize. And it's hard to figure it out. How many people died specifically? Who specifically gave the order to be placed in a vocational school? Under what circumstances was this unconditionally reprehensible order issued? Was the specific person who gave this order connected with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Here, there are no people who want to understand this. As well as specialists who are able to substantively understand the question - is the mining equipment suitable for creating shelters? Is the plant in Yasinovataya, located near the line of contact, still operating?
        1. +5
          2 January 2023 12: 47
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          That is, it is not necessary to ask Svidomites about your words? Nice thing to go into hysterics. To accuse all the bosses in an auction on the topic - who will mix the higher authorities with shit - who mixes Putin with shit about this incident receives the main prize. And it's hard to figure it out. How many people died specifically? Who specifically gave the order to be placed in a vocational school? Under what circumstances was this unconditionally reprehensible order issued? Was the specific person who gave this order connected with the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Here, there are no people who want to understand this. As well as specialists who are able to substantively understand the question - is the mining equipment suitable for creating shelters? Is the plant in Yasinovataya, located near the line of contact, still operating?

          How does one interfere with the other? Deal with those who allowed this in our country and with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and enemy agents?
          Why should one process deny another?
          1. 0
            2 January 2023 13: 32
            One process - on emotions. This is an exhaust, but the exhaust is at least useless. The second process is a matter of time and silence. What do you want, so that now, on emotions in Makiivka, they began to grab everyone in a row, pronouncing with a Ukrainian accent, while a specific official who handed over the goal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - where to shoot, safely fled. Now they have already begun to blame the officers who settled the soldiers in the vocational school, why they did not settle with the soldiers, but in a neighboring house. But the officers certainly settled their soldiers in the place that they were shown. But to accuse the officers of hysteria is no matter what the topic for comment.
            1. +7
              2 January 2023 16: 07
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              But the officers certainly settled their soldiers in the place that they were shown.

              Who pointed them to the place? Part arrived in the locality, the question becomes about the placement of HP, as decades ago. For the past decades, the opponents of the RF Armed Forces have not had such weapons, and therefore, when choosing a disco, the only question for officers is how to quickly and easily place the fighters, preferably warm and with bathrooms. It’s winter outside, it’s cold, to force the fighters who arrived from the road to dig bunkers for themselves to sleep when there is a large enough building nearby where everyone can fit? In advance, no one has made blocked hibernation bunkers, which leads to the first question to the command of the arrived unit. Why didn’t they worry about accommodation in advance, if, according to experience, hotels, hostels and other buildings in the role of barracks within a radius of 80 km from the front are potential targets of the Chimeras? Maybe part of the answer to this is that the commanders themselves are located separately? After all, they could not have been unaware of repeated similar cases?
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            2. +6
              2 January 2023 16: 37
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              One process - on emotions. This is an exhaust, but the exhaust is at least useless. The second process is a matter of time and silence. What do you want, so that now, on emotions in Makiivka, they began to grab everyone in a row, pronouncing with a Ukrainian accent, while a specific official who handed over the goal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - where to shoot, safely fled. Now they have already begun to blame the officers who settled the soldiers in the vocational school, why they did not settle with the soldiers, but in a neighboring house. But the officers certainly settled their soldiers in the place that they were shown. But to accuse the officers of hysteria is no matter what the topic for comment.

              I do not need to attribute what I did not say. That is, your own inventions.
              I want the same as all normal and caring people, so that there is an investigation and the guilty are punished.
              And do not lower this business as usual on the brakes.
              And for this you need to tell people the truth and declare publicly that the case will be investigated and the perpetrators will be punished.
              And then calmly do it.
              That's when the authorities will not be able to gloss over this matter and shut up.
              You promised to do it.
              Nobody demands immediate results, these are your personal fantasies.
              But what you offer is just an opportunity to put the matter on the brakes and smear the perpetrators.
        2. -4
          2 January 2023 12: 59
          Well, ask the Svidomites ....... if you can
      3. +11
        2 January 2023 11: 23
        Do you want to disable communication in a city with 300 population? And the internet at the same time?
        Not far from the school there is a metallurgical plant, which, when it was its Kirov Iron and Steel Works (one of the largest in the USSR), has a developed network of bomb shelters. But the military prefer the comfort of safety, if everyone cannot get into the hotel, they are placed in such buildings. In the air and closer to the shops with whitefish and beer.
        And if no one shared such joy on the phone or blurted out on the walkie-talkie on an open channel, you can look for agents among the evacuees.
        The campus in Donetsk was shelled, these are the dormitories of the DPI. So the Ukrainians are well aware of where to look for someone.
      4. +8
        2 January 2023 13: 03
        And it’s good to cover up your stupidity and incompetence with “Svidomites”.

        These "stupid and incompetent" mediocrities in uniform have a full name, a title ... And we have a tribunal ... And "by the ribbon" ... Privates ... As an option - to Prigozhin, under his "sledgehammer" .. Brains to treat - who has left ...
        1. +6
          2 January 2023 16: 14
          Quote: Dingo
          As an option - to Prigogine, under his "sledgehammer" ... Brains to be treated - who has left ...

          Only Prigozhin, or his commanders, themselves placed their fighters in hotels, which then formed under the Chimeras, and I remember at least 2 such cases, and there was one just recently, the fighters themselves filmed the video directly from the destroyed building.
    5. +13
      2 January 2023 10: 09
      Quote: Nexcom
      it was not an accidental shelling - they hit purposefully.

      And how many there are in the Donbass, these "sleeping" and not sleeping, they are not easy to identify and count, this must always be remembered.
      1. +8
        2 January 2023 10: 50
        We all like to comb our hair with the same brush. In the Donbass, people sympathize with the binder to their beloved.
    6. 0
      2 January 2023 10: 29
      who leaked information and coordinates to svidomites?

      I agree, most likely traitors or saboteurs worked ...
      So it turns out that SMERSH needs to be revived at the front to protect the front and front lines, to identify reptiles - traitors and saboteurs. The FSB can't handle it. Yes, and not his this function. A specialized service, sharpened for this, should work at the front. SMERSH should work!
      1. +8
        2 January 2023 10: 46
        From a loud name, a fart will not cease to be a fart. And the name will remain a laughing stock.
      2. +5
        2 January 2023 10: 56
        You're right. But SMERSH hasn't gone anywhere. There was the 3rd Directorate of the KGB (military, counterintelligence), now it is the department of the FSB military counterintelligence.
        We cannot, and should not, assess the effectiveness of this service. There is someone to do such assessments.
        But current events show that the counterintelligence officers did not PREVENT this massacre without issuing forecasts and warnings to the command.
        Questions also arise for all intelligence services.
        The enemy's intentions were not disclosed. Analytics also turned out to be out of work, which is generally very strange.
        1. +1
          3 January 2023 11: 39
          that the counterintelligence officers did not WARN this massacre

          What kind of stupidity, how can counterintelligence officers prevent a strike on a target?
    7. +12
      2 January 2023 10: 31
      They leak information to them regularly and that's it! Starting with moles, ending with NATO intelligence!
    8. +1
      2 January 2023 15: 04
      Quote: Nexcom
      Well, to arrange it in a crowded LS is one side of the coin. who leaked information and coordinates to svidomites?
      it was not an accidental shelling - they hit purposefully.

      There are enough satellites of other drones
    9. +1
      3 January 2023 17: 10
      Incorrect quartering is the primary source of the tragedy, in addition to the complete unpreparedness of the fighters for action in a combat situation. am Everything is in the best traditions of the 2nd Army in the era of the degradation of the state and its structures recourse
  4. +15
    2 January 2023 10: 03
    it's time to apply repressive measures to military commanders carelessly fulfilling their duties
    each mistake has a first and last name, as Stalin said. Send such to the penal battalions to the front with deprivation of military rank by privates
    1. +14
      2 January 2023 10: 11
      At least you don’t make the people laugh and don’t touch Stalin’s name once again ... It feels like you have unnecessarily cheered up after the President’s New Year’s words. What executions, what a penal battalion ... The military is a caste that is more likely to throw out an overly smart person from its midst or curtail power if it feels the danger of reforming and changing the status of the squaw ...
      1. +1
        2 January 2023 13: 19
        The military is a caste that is more likely to throw out an overly smart person from its environment

        A familiar statement... Ever since the Soviet army. "Cadet, don't make such a smart face! You are a future officer!"....
        So they spawned "officers" ...
        Remember the foolish colonel, to the legitimate demand of the mobilized peasant to "teach or at least remember" - who received a slander and "a term from the 15th" stricter" (according to Art. Criminal Code) ... Instead of "shagistics" on the parade ground ... that he only can..
        "Urya-quacks" were unhappy, they shouted about "discipline" from their sofas ....
    2. +21
      2 January 2023 10: 32
      Quote: Graz
      every mistake has a first and last name, as Stalin said


      These "mistakes" have too high a position in the military hierarchy to be "requested" from them ... because. systemic problem + lack of desire to change something, because it’s easier to hide mistakes and not remember them ... I won’t be surprised if soon the military commissars are banned from talking about such things at all, and whoever says that will fall under this or that law of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

      How many such "jambs" there were and the official position - 1) Silence or 2) Downplaying the problem (if you couldn't hide it) .... the story of Moscow, sabotage, "regroupings" and other unpleasant things.

      And returning to Stalin ... if he were now at the head of the state, then Gerasimov and Shoigu would be in a completely different place, but unfortunately we do not have such a level of Leader.
    3. +4
      2 January 2023 11: 10
      Why in a penal battalion, better In PMC "Wagner", they will quickly teach you to love your Motherland in assault squads! A little that is not so, so immediately a bullet in the forehead, quickly, efficiently and intelligibly.
  5. +24
    2 January 2023 10: 06
    Now we see that executions for such crimes were previously used absolutely correctly!
    1. -9
      2 January 2023 10: 51
      Quote: Alt22
      Now we see that executions for such crimes were previously used absolutely correctly!

      Seriously? Under Stalin, they would not even pay attention to this, they would simply distribute soldiers from a marching company.
      1. +12
        2 January 2023 11: 55
        Quote: MyVrach
        Quote: Alt22
        Now we see that executions for such crimes were previously used absolutely correctly!

        Seriously? Under Stalin, they would not even pay attention to this, they would simply distribute soldiers from a marching company.

        And who told you such nonsense?
        For unjustified losses, they were harshly asked. Up to the tribunal.
        Read orders.
      2. +1
        2 January 2023 12: 13
        Captain, my doctor, to say that. It is necessary: ​​1) to live in that era.
        2) work in the MO archive, but I don’t see this
  6. +1
    2 January 2023 10: 09
    I completely agree with the opinion of Alexander Sladkov, but I think that it is necessary not only to find the culprit so that everyone knows him, but to be judged by a troika and sentenced to the highest measure of social protection! Until they start shooting the guilty, there will be no sense in this mess!
  7. +25
    2 January 2023 10: 16
    Such cases cannot be avoided. Almost all Ukrainians are filled with hatred for Russia. And there will be similar cases until we start to fight for real. What is needed is not a humanitarian NVO, where they storm fortifications with machine guns in the forehead, so that God forbid a civilian Ukrainian is not hooked, but a real military operation, destroying the enemy over large areas, which will make it possible to push the front line far to the West. There are no sympathizers for us and we must treat this as a fact. Let the survivors flee to the EU, they wanted to go there all the time ..
    1. -13
      2 January 2023 10: 28
      which will make it possible to push the front line far to the West.
      Until it is pushed back to the English Channel, the threat will not disappear.
      1. +20
        2 January 2023 11: 56
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        Until it is pushed back to the English Channel, the threat will not disappear.

        Gee-gee, grandfather, you really are an amateur. No one believes in fairy tales about the "second army of the world" ready to crush NATO for a long time. We have not been able to crush the 22nd army in several villages for 4 months now. And you - English Channel, English Channel ...
        1. 0
          2 January 2023 12: 06
          "crush the 22nd army" in fact, they considered themselves: the first in Europe
    2. +24
      2 January 2023 10: 31
      "For real" - how is it? In addition to analogues and nuclear weapons, they have already used everything that is available.
      1. 0
        2 January 2023 11: 28
        "for real" is to remember the dialectic about the transition of the quantitative into the qualitative. To continue to fight with such a contingent is senile insanity. But you also need to take million-plus cities.
        1. +1
          2 January 2023 12: 36
          In my opinion, you are not friends with logic. Talk about the transition from quantitative to qualitative and immediately offer to recruit more people.
        2. +9
          2 January 2023 16: 25
          In order to fight "for real", it was necessary not to conduct tank biathlons before, but to saturate the army with high-precision weapons, network-centric systems, and UAVs. But since they relied on what is, it means carpet bombing. But for this it is necessary that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have air defense like Dudayev's Chechens, or Assad's opponents in Syria, that is, none. In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, what is dofiga is FABs, but they have no use in this conflict.
      2. +2
        2 January 2023 21: 26
        Quote: DominickS
        "For real" - how is it? In addition to analogues and nuclear weapons, they have already used everything that is available.

        It would be nice if the mind and conscience were available and were used.
    3. +29
      2 January 2023 10: 31
      This is how Russia is fighting at the peak of its capabilities, it’s just that the reality turned out to be not quite the same as we were told about it on the Zvezda TV channel.
      1. +14
        2 January 2023 11: 09
        It is precisely that the military-political leadership of Russia is not fighting for real, but is conducting an NMD, while the leadership of Ukraine is waging a war against Russia practically at the peak of its capabilities and even using significant assistance from the West. Unlike Ukraine, in Russia, the mobilization of the economy, the transfer of industry to a war footing have not yet occurred, and the mobilization of those liable for military service was many times less relative to the mobilization capabilities of countries. Ukraine uses in the war against Russia almost all of its armed formations, as well as its other security forces, and Russia even now uses hardly more than 1/6 of its military personnel in the NMD, not to mention other security forces, and at the beginning of the NMD - about 1/ 10. There is no need to talk about missile weapons, which Ukraine practically does not have, and the Russian military forces use them quite actively, but they mainly hit the wrong place where they need it first of all - on the transport infrastructure of Ukraine in order to interrupt the supply of its troops and make it difficult to transfer them. If we talk about weapons, mobilization and economic resources, then Russia surpasses Ukraine many times over: from 5 times in population to dozens of times in most types of economic resources. And by the beginning of the NMD, Russia surpassed Ukraine in the number of troops, aircraft, helicopters, tanks, artillery systems, etc. from 5 to 10 times, and taking into account their quality and condition - dozens of times. In a word, a strange war and incomprehensible goals of Russia's VPR.
      2. -8
        2 January 2023 11: 30
        The Russian Federation does not fight "for real". A country with a mobilization reserve of 25 lyamas, if only incomplete half-lyama gans are involved in the battles. These are all war toys.
        1. +16
          2 January 2023 12: 54
          Throwing the enemy with personnel is an interesting idea. Here 300 thousand were equipped by the whole country
          1. +9
            2 January 2023 16: 46
            Quote: Foundling
            Throwing the enemy with personnel is an interesting idea. Here 300 thousand were equipped by the whole country

            Perhaps only three hundred were mobilized, and not five hundred, because they were able to provide only 300.
            And then with sin in half.
            As they say, counted, wept.
        2. +12
          2 January 2023 13: 47
          Here it is reality, mob. the reserve may be 25 million, but the mobilization of 300 thousand passed with great difficulty.
    4. -9
      2 January 2023 11: 07
      Yes, the deportation will be colossal. I hope our snot will not chew and they are not going to play good uncles. Anyone who does not agree, welcome to what remains of Ukraine. I think it's better to entrust this to Kadyrov and his Chechens. They have no kinship feelings towards the Ukrainians, and the Chechens were not noticed in excessive sentiments. Just re-sort the population.
    5. +4
      2 January 2023 11: 11
      Ukrov's head is really not in order. Before I talked to them. All conversations are trying to translate to Putin. They have a cult of personality. Yes, and now it can be seen in their comments.
      1. +9
        2 January 2023 11: 48
        Quote: vindigo
        Ukrov's head is really not in order. Before I talked to them. All conversations are trying to translate to Putin. They have a cult of personality. Yes, and now it can be seen in their comments.

        I communicated with them since the first Maidan. Since 2004.
        Schizophrenia has increased exponentially every year.
        And after the second Maidan, they completely went crazy.
        1. +2
          2 January 2023 12: 53
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          Quote: vindigo
          Ukrov's head is really not in order. Before I talked to them. All conversations are trying to translate to Putin. They have a cult of personality. Yes, and now it can be seen in their comments.

          I communicated with them since the first Maidan. Since 2004.
          Schizophrenia has increased exponentially every year.
          And after the second Maidan, they completely went crazy.

          In ... the Ukrainian put a minus. Recognized myself. lol
          1. +3
            2 January 2023 12: 59
            They got really mad at me.)
            1. +2
              2 January 2023 16: 48
              Quote: vindigo
              They got really mad at me.)

              Let them take offense at themselves. They carry water on the offended.
              And they generally ride on horseback.
  8. 9PA
    +35
    2 January 2023 10: 22
    Putin, zadolbal already. There are no professionals in his environment at all, or what? Alone loyal
    1. +30
      2 January 2023 10: 33
      A typical leader of our time. It is dangerous to keep smart people around, then you yourself can look stupid. Or loyal, or relatives.
      1. +9
        2 January 2023 11: 45
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        A typical leader of our time. It is dangerous to keep smart people around, then you yourself can look stupid. Or loyal, or relatives.

        There is an analogy in history. Nicholas II did the same.
        1. +5
          2 January 2023 14: 59
          Nikolai was at least interested in military affairs, unlike the current ones.
    2. -2
      2 January 2023 10: 42
      Well, you turn on your head sometimes. Well, everyone strives to level the president to the level of a platoon commander! There is a nsh, a divisional commander or a battalion commander who considered ukrov dumber than himself, and they got it, respectively. Well, of course, there was a member of the fraternal people who said that everyone had gathered, it's time to congratulate .... Sorry for the men, they died because of someone else's stupidity ....
      1. 9PA
        +24
        2 January 2023 11: 09
        And Putin is generally responsible for what then?
        1. +8
          2 January 2023 11: 36
          Quote: 9PA
          And Putin is generally responsible for what then?

          Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion.
      2. +13
        2 January 2023 11: 43
        Quote from Voronezh
        Well, you turn on your head sometimes. Well, everyone strives to level the president to the level of a platoon commander! There is a nsh, a divisional commander or a battalion commander who considered ukrov dumber than himself, and they got it, respectively. Well, of course, there was a member of the fraternal people who said that everyone had gathered, it's time to congratulate .... Sorry for the men, they died because of someone else's stupidity ....

        The President, by the way, is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
        And he is responsible for what helpers he surrounds himself with.
        Both in the Moscow Region and in the General Staff. This is an axiom for any manager, if a person does not cope with his duties, if he shows irresponsibility, etc., then conclusions must be drawn.
        And so from top to bottom by subordination.
        Or is this news to some?
        1. +4
          2 January 2023 14: 25
          If you knew how and by what criteria, starting from the 90s, in most cases (not 100% of course) appointments to higher positions in the Armed Forces take place, then thoughts about competence, coping, not coping, you probably would not have appeared ....... .
          1. 0
            2 January 2023 16: 57
            Quote from Voronezh
            If you knew how and by what criteria, starting from the 90s, in most cases (not 100% of course) appointments to higher positions in the Armed Forces take place, then thoughts about competence, coping, not coping, you probably would not have appeared ....... .

            I have an idea.
            And thoughts like HOW I SHOULD have appeared as a result of almost forty years of experience in real production and life experience.
            He himself went through the entire line from the master to the deputy. director and member of the Board of Directors.
            So we have no disagreements.
            It just is, the way it was and the way it should be.
            Alas, in our conditions and in the conditions of the built-up system, this categorically does not coincide. sad
    3. +12
      2 January 2023 12: 03
      Quote: 9PA
      Putin, zadolbal already. There are no professionals in his environment at all, or what? Alone loyal

      Such "loyal" ones will very quickly lead him to the status of Nicholas-2
    4. +10
      2 January 2023 12: 14
      He follows the path of Saddam, who surrounded himself with loyal and faithful godparents, lands and relatives. At the same time, here is the news, complete amateurs who only organized parades and sawed the budget.
    5. +11
      2 January 2023 13: 22
      Quote: 9PA
      Putin, zadolbal already. There are no professionals in his environment at all, or what? Alone loyal

      Not only in his environment, but also in all branches of government, government, ministries and departments, even in commercial organizations, this style of management has passed. Recently, I only heard a typical phrase from one newly-made "boss": "there is no one to take on the position of deputy, no one knows how to communicate with higher management, they try to argue, but the leadership does not like it."
      1. +2
        2 January 2023 17: 40
        Familiar familiar hi "" "" "
  9. +15
    2 January 2023 10: 24
    I have repeatedly written that the concept of THIS war is maximum dispersal and ideal communication. All personnel, all equipment should be smeared with the thinnest layer, but communication between ALL elements of this system should be such that in a matter of minutes everyone would be in their place. I really hope that the one who gave the order to gather everyone on the same areal target has already shot himself - at least he finally threw his brains around.
    1. +1
      2 January 2023 13: 01
      Pigeon mail?????????????????.......
  10. -3
    2 January 2023 10: 24
    It is not clear whether a single chimera missile can take down such a building. Maybe they hit something more powerful there, like a Tomogawk called "swift"?
    1. +7
      2 January 2023 10: 40
      They say there were three packages. 18 missiles or so.
      1. +6
        2 January 2023 11: 14
        In the Telega there is a video where there is clearly one powerful explosion. The building is of Soviet construction and not one of the weak. I used to study in one myself. So the question of the type of weapon for me is still open.
        1. +14
          2 January 2023 12: 33
          Strelkov: Briefly about Makiivka. I received information about the defeat of the object around 01.01.2023 am on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          The facility, which housed the N-th division, consisting mainly of mobilized citizens of the Russian Federation, was almost completely destroyed as a result of the detonation of the BC stored in the same building. Almost all the military equipment that stood right next to the building without the slightest sign of disguise was also destroyed.
        2. +2
          2 January 2023 13: 03
          Write three packages. And not by squares but to the point
      2. +4
        2 January 2023 13: 22
        All the equipment stood there and the building was stuffed with bk
  11. +17
    2 January 2023 10: 25
    Actually, it's strange to read all this. Not being any significant strategist, I assumed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would certainly arrange something similar on New Year's Eve - shelling and even offensives in certain sectors of the front. To catch the enemy by surprise, during the holidays, is a technique that was not invented today or yesterday.
    And where were our command heads?
    Did they drink vodka, violated outrages?
    It is a shame!
    1. +8
      2 January 2023 13: 21
      All the necessary measures were taken: the security of Moscow was provided by 20000 soldiers only through the air defense line (an article about this was here on the VO). Well, Donetsk, Makiivka ... Hands did not reach.
  12. +24
    2 January 2023 10: 28
    military command, apparently, is not well aware of the capabilities of this weapon.


    The command is just very well represented, and therefore stay away from the front line.
    1. +2
      2 January 2023 10: 43
      The command represents and instructs, as it should ...
      It is not in vain that many people raise the question that the quality of the composition should be sharply increased ... people who have smelled gunpowder and proved themselves in a combat situation should be nominated for positions !!!
      The military, bureaucratic machine is stalling, stalling ... if you don't give a big kick, at all levels, there will be losses that you can, you need to avoid !!!
  13. +6
    2 January 2023 10: 30
    The military command, apparently, is not well aware of the capabilities of this weapon.
    . Now what?
    Who is to blame and why were they entrusted with the command of units ???
    The same questions over and over!!!
  14. +29
    2 January 2023 10: 30
    Or maybe it’s not so wrong who went to Georgia and other Kazakhstans, as well as those mobilized from that memorable video (I wonder what his fate is)? recourse You can throw dung at me.
    1. -9
      2 January 2023 10: 38
      And you in any warring country ask if those who run over the hill are right?
      What answer will you get, basically?
      1. +16
        2 January 2023 11: 00
        I will answer as a Jew. And you ask in any warring country about wooden commanders up to the neck from the top, what answer will you get, basically?
        1. +1
          2 January 2023 13: 00
          In any country that is not at war, for real, there are enough wooden ones ...
          The process of cleansing... in general, those same wooden ones resist strongly, and since they have a lot of power in their hands, it does not happen quickly.
          However, the process is already underway and it cannot be stopped.
          1. +8
            2 January 2023 13: 25
            The process of cleansing... in general, those same wooden ones resist strongly, and since they have a lot of power in their hands, it does not happen quickly.
            However, the process is already underway and it cannot be stopped.

            With regard to this process, it seems that the wonderful phrase of our president is absolutely true so far, although he said it on a slightly different occasion: "we have not even started yet."
            Bureaucrats, opportunists and swindlers in power, bribe-takers and embezzlers of the state, clearing this power from themselves? Funny.
            1. +4
              2 January 2023 13: 35
              He who laughs last laughs best!
              However, Iva never climbed a tree, so I think that the cleaning will be from below, but how far up it will reach, this is a question that, now, no one can answer ...
              In general, we will see.
          2. +8
            2 January 2023 14: 10
            Is it not possible that the mobilized people are not sacrificed for the "cleansing process"? So that the lives of guys do not test competence?
            1. -1
              2 January 2023 15: 01
              There is a war going on, no matter what they call it... do you know a way to avoid losses???
              1. +1
                2 January 2023 15: 07
                Is there any way to dive deeper into the topic, it is necessary to consider specifically who died when and through whose fault .... and all and all at once, in Czech, to blame again all or specific ones who were not there, it’s empty and even harmful, if you take a closer look.
              2. +2
                2 January 2023 15: 12
                Quote: rocket757
                do you know a way to avoid losses???

                I know a very simple way to destroy the enemy, but unfortunately our leadership is not going to do this.
                1. +1
                  2 January 2023 17: 01
                  How to destroy the enemy and not suffer losses???
                  And what kind of enemy is this, which can easily be destroyed ???
      2. +9
        2 January 2023 16: 41
        Quote: rocket757
        And you in any warring country ask if those who run over the hill are right?

        So no one attacked Russia. Remember the program "Meeting Place", where the rapper Ptah, quite loyal to the authorities, stupidly asked - what are we fighting for? What are the goals? We didn't get attacked? And he added that he knows a lot of people at the front, including Wagner, that they all fight for money, but they don’t know about the goals of the NWO. And what claims can there be for those fleeing mobilization when there are so many questions? Also, why is the mobilization of those who do not want and cannot fight when there are 400 Russian Guards in the country?
        1. -4
          2 January 2023 17: 04
          Svoboludie .... but something specific, who and for what?
      3. +1
        2 January 2023 18: 53
        And what did the Germans say about the escaped Willy Brandt, can you tell me?
        1. 0
          2 January 2023 19: 09
          At different times, different people evaluate the actions of prominent, public figures in different ways ... a special case, nevertheless fitting into the overall picture of the assessment of events.
          In Germany, the Nazis came to power in a completely dermocratic way, that is, they chose from the majority of the population. To say that this is some kind of special phenomenon ... no, probably, it also happens.
          And yet, what exactly do you want to know about?
          1. +3
            3 January 2023 00: 04
            Quote: rocket757
            And yet, what exactly do you want to know about?

            The fact is that it is not right to write down all those who do not want to go to the front as enemies of the people and the fatherland.
            1. -2
              3 January 2023 07: 19
              EVERYTHING AS USUAL.
              The runners, "scared, confused", traitors are trying to justify themselves and smear all the others with mud ...
              What's the most .... funny, even the enemies do not prove their "rightness" so stubbornly as they do, because they have / may have their own idea, faith, etc., but these have nothing, only their own skin is closer to the body.
              Everything, the conversation is over, it's not interesting.
              1. +3
                3 January 2023 12: 56
                Such ultimatum statements are accepted with respect only from those who are at the forefront themselves. You there? Excuses for age, gender, health, having five children are not accepted, as well as for having already fought - the country has not waged such a war for 80 years, the same Chechens did not stand next to each other in terms of the level of losses and capabilities of the enemy. Here you either fight yourself, and then you have the right to ask others, or you sit on a warm sofa, and then sit quietly and don’t gush with your jingoistic patriotism.
  15. +32
    2 January 2023 10: 35
    The most vile thing is that only recently the all-good minister of defense was shown ostentatious locations and positions in the Donbass. And here is the difference - window dressing and reality. And the well-known chattering general-storyteller from the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not chatter about this. It's all gross. And no conclusions are made by the top leadership in relation to the military commanders responsible for this. Surovik's order... As if the traitors are actually sitting there and leading the country to collapse.
    1. +12
      2 January 2023 10: 43
      Konashenkov cannot talk about such things.
      For that, there are corresponding orders for the Moscow Region, and even the FSB added its own.
      The information cited by Konashenkov is not his selection, but a certificate prepared, filtered and approved at a high level (General Staff).
      And I don't think that the general would be able to try to violate these orders.
      So Konashenkov is a talking head and nothing more. So conceived and approved by the System.
      You don't need to push it too hard. Questions to the System.
      1. +4
        2 January 2023 13: 01
        But it is unlikely that somewhere else, except in our country, a talking head could have the rank of lieutenant general. Rather, a captain-major, and at the same time have certain powers in terms of communicating with the press, and not just read the text to the camera, without having to answer clarifying questions.
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      1. +5
        2 January 2023 13: 01
        Quote: Pantsuy
        Quote: BorzRio
        The most disgusting thing is that only recently the all-good minister of defense was shown ostentatious locations and positions in the Donbass. And here is the difference - window dressing and reality

        I worked in circles closely associated with the Ministry of Emergency Situations. And I know perfectly well that the Ministry of Emergency Situations under Shoigu is the most ostentatious office. When he joined the army, the Ministry of Emergency Situations themselves said that now - pi .. the end of the kitten - the army will turn into a complete window dressing. And so it turned out.

        There was not only window dressing and enough corruption.
        I had to deal with the management of the MTO.
        Purchase prices were always inflated. Well, the difference is clear where.
  16. +8
    2 January 2023 10: 41
    In the old days, officers of the Russian army put a bullet in their foreheads for such miscalculations.
    It was like an officer, like a man.
    1. +15
      2 January 2023 12: 32
      So the officers were. And we have managers and managers in uniform. And family is everywhere. Shoigu's daughter is the clearest example of this.
      1. +7
        2 January 2023 16: 49
        Many, many years ago, I expected that, following the results of the Chechen wars, hundreds of generals of the General Staff, up to the military participants directly, in total thousands of security officials of all structures, would be in the dock, a huge process. After such a mass of mess, betrayal, theft, heads should have been flying, and if this is not done, then these same heads will bring the army to collapse in difficult times, which is happening now.
    2. +4
      2 January 2023 15: 27
      . In the old days, officers


      And now they meet. Rarely, but it happens.
      A couple of years ago (a little bit was covered in the press), a junior officer from the traffic police knocked down a child to death. Couldn't live on. Shot himself.
      So we don't give up on everyone. There are other officers. It's just a negative selection.
  17. +9
    2 January 2023 10: 43
    Someone is working on the Mi - 6 and gave the order to place them as a target
  18. +9
    2 January 2023 10: 44
    The question is, where was the air defense, "having no analogues." Makiivka, a territory close to the front line, should have been covered from such raids. ..... This has never happened before, and here it is again. Not a week goes by without our valiant commanders doing something. Then the strategists were pulled, now they lost people where this should not have happened. Kraintsy in the cart are already squealing with delight. That's right, they gave again a reason for the 11th month of the war. Is it really not to be treated by these bosses, maybe they are really stupid in life! After each such incident, questions arise, there are no answers and there are no names of people who allowed this. Probably, the war will write everything off!
    1. +10
      2 January 2023 12: 34
      But our commander-in-chief and the minister of defense claim that everything is according to plan. True, the author is not specified. It's a pity. The country must know the talents and its heroes. Biathlon tank.
  19. +8
    2 January 2023 10: 46
    good morning, cheers-patriots ... it's time to wake up, gentlemen from the planet of pink ponies. otherwise...
  20. +20
    2 January 2023 10: 48
    Many thanks to the site and the editors of the Military Review for not being afraid to publish the truth. Yes, very sick, very scary, but they made it public - which means that at least somehow the problems in the army will move towards a solution. Unfortunately, this is the system in our army: They silenced the problem - consider that it did not exist. The problem is given wide publicity - it is solved in a revealing way, and then orders are hung up for it.
    1. +5
      2 January 2023 14: 12
      Isn't it possible for the mobilized people not to be sacrificed for the "process of identifying the problem"? So that the lives of guys do not test competence?
  21. +30
    2 January 2023 10: 52
    The Supreme Commander awarded the order to the general for leaving the Russian city of Kherson. Everything turned upside down in our country. The military has always received high awards for victories, and now for defeats. Draw conclusions who is actually the internal enemy.
    1. +21
      2 January 2023 11: 19
      Worse, Shoigu said that all the tasks set have been completed by now. I would like to learn more about these tasks.
      1. +15
        2 January 2023 12: 39
        The heroic retention of his chair and the ability to smartly carry a blizzard about 70% of new technology. True, I had to say goodbye to presidential ambitions. But these are trifles. You can cut the budget in the old position. And the plebeians are not sorry. I have long been suggesting that the Ministry of Defense be sent from the warmth of Moscow coffee houses to Donetsk. And immediately all problems will be solved. Protect your loved ones. And the surrounding plebeians benefit. The firing will stop immediately.
      2. -4
        2 January 2023 14: 13
        glock-17 4 new areas. Few ? Why are you silent? And also a nickname - whose weapon do you admire? Clear stump.
        1. +4
          2 January 2023 21: 30
          Stankow. The Glock 17 is a great pistol chambered in Parabellum. It is also used by Russian special forces.
      3. +3
        2 January 2023 14: 13
        Well .... maybe he completed the dacha or added a daughter. What is not a task
  22. -27
    2 January 2023 10: 56
    I can’t imagine how such smart commentators can be kept in the rear. It's just a crime. In a normal state, everyone who unsubscribed under this material with contemptuous criticism would already be taken to the train to the Donbass. Such an assault reserve is disappearing.
    1. +14
      2 January 2023 11: 30
      Quote: Alexey T.
      I can’t imagine how such smart commentators can be kept in the rear. It's just a crime. In a normal state, everyone who unsubscribed under this material with contemptuous criticism would already be taken to the train to the Donbass. Such an assault reserve is disappearing.

      I hope you have already purchased the flag in order to take it in your hands?
      And a drum on to hang around your neck?
      Well, go ahead and with the song, set an example.
      And I'm behind you at 67 years old.
    2. +4
      2 January 2023 12: 47
      Quote: Alexey T.
      I can’t imagine how such smart commentators can be kept in the rear. It's just a crime. In a normal state, everyone who unsubscribed under this material with contemptuous criticism would already be taken to the train to the Donbass. Such an assault reserve is disappearing.

      Wouldn't you like to be in that building, dear, on that day? As they wrote earlier in Russia, there were 2 problems - roads and fools. The first is almost done, but the second is not yet.
      1. +2
        2 January 2023 13: 24
        Russia has 4 problems, everyone knows the first two, and also fools and roads.
    3. +1
      2 January 2023 14: 15
      What do you mean flat feet? Or something else?
    4. -5
      2 January 2023 14: 18
      Alexey-T They don't criticize. They rejoice secretly.
  23. +24
    2 January 2023 10: 56
    This is grief, for sure. But you guys are looking for spies in the wrong place. Is the railroad running? Works, ordered not to touch. Titanium is driven along it through Ukraine to the west. He goes incl. for the production of weapons and ammunition. Does cellular communication work? Works, ordered not to touch. Cellular communication Ukrainian. By the concentration of telephones and their numbers at one time or another of the day, you can learn a lot of interesting things. Even if a fighter does not carry a phone with him, he lies in the barracks. In general, we are not looking for spies there. The closer to the front line, the fewer of them. And vice versa.
    1. +7
      2 January 2023 11: 21
      Does the cell phone work? Works, ordered not to touch. Cellular communication Ukrainian.

      In general, some kind of sur, you can even call Zelensky's administration.
      1. +7
        2 January 2023 12: 11
        If you turn off cellular communication there, then in the first place they will be left without communication by the RF Armed Forces. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine have tens of thousands of Starlink kits - they will not be lost. So the cell towers on the territory occupied by our troops are more likely to be destroyed by the Ukrainians, while ours will be defended with all their might. Because without them it would be quite boring.
  24. -17
    2 January 2023 10: 59
    In general, the military correspondents unsubscribed like a blueprint. Information - zero (data on losses differ by orders of magnitude), but thoughtful advice (in the style: how long?), literally repeating each other - in every post. Indestructible chatter and criticism - there is no one to fight.
    1. +10
      2 January 2023 11: 09
      And what, wait until something is officially announced at the top? So this will not happen, keep silent and pretend that nothing happened, that's how they act. And when they do not tell the truth, there are many versions and understatements.
    2. +9
      2 January 2023 13: 52
      Quote: Alexey T.
      In general, the military correspondents unsubscribed like a blueprint. Information - zero (data on losses differ by orders of magnitude), but thoughtful advice (in the style: how long?), literally repeating each other - in every post. Indestructible chatter and criticism - there is no one to fight.

      Because of the possibility of dying just like that, not in battle, many do not want to volunteer to go to the front. You can be seven spans in the forehead, go in for sports, be mentally prepared to endure the difficulties of military life, but there will be a commander above you - someone's relative, who simply knows how to make beautiful reports, an idler, a blue-blooded careerist who did not sniff gunpowder, etc., who will give a debility an order, or vice versa, will not provide the necessary conditions, will not argue with the authorities for the sake of your life, relying on chance, and that’s it, you will die in vain. Even not by chance, it can still be accepted consciously - war is war, but simply because there will be such a command. Until such a thing happens, when you try to get indignant, they will tell you that this is an army, that the commander is your own father, the war is on, and you can’t argue, but when you die, they won’t even demote him, they will say that NATO they help us with intelligence, and you died like a hero. And you and your comrades are really a hero that, knowing all this, you went to fight for your homeland, but died just because of someone's stupidity. Forgive me Men who fight for us there.
    3. 0
      2 January 2023 14: 16
      You can immediately see from the trench write. "Hero" straight
  25. -2
    2 January 2023 11: 02
    Comrades!

    It is no longer possible to tolerate this systematic criminal sloppiness of the command of the RF Armed Forces with optimized chicken brains!

    Let's all together write a collective appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Putin on the need to urgently restore the death penalty for all military crimes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - the death penalty for all military crimes and its active application by the military courts of the Russian Federation.

    Otherwise, our army will face collapse, defeat and riots mobilized due to the complete lack of discipline, responsibility and professionalism of commanders.
    1. +6
      2 January 2023 11: 33
      Yeah, and let's formulate the theme of this appeal in such an elegant way - "Where to run?" hi
      1. -1
        3 January 2023 10: 42
        It all depends on the consciousness of the writer.
    2. +6
      2 January 2023 12: 17
      I'm sorry, but you think this will help, seriously? :)
      1. +5
        2 January 2023 13: 07
        Quote from N3onMiami
        I'm sorry, but you think this will help, seriously? :)

        Naive, of course. But really this slovenliness and impunity are tired.
        And the chief is silent, everything is fine with him and the chicken is grain by grain.
  26. +4
    2 January 2023 11: 05
    I read the comments and wonder. Do you seriously think that the generals personally indicate to whom and where to be stationed? Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.
    1. +14
      2 January 2023 11: 19
      Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.

      Such decisions are made at a higher level with the involvement of local authorities.
      1. ada
        -1
        2 January 2023 17: 33
        Quote: Konnick
        Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.

        Such decisions are made at a higher level with the involvement of local authorities.

        O! It is very remarkable that your remark is correct (did you participate in the planning of military operations?), but does not reveal the completeness and specifics of the process. Add ?, otherwise reading nonsense is not particularly interesting and, frankly, it acts destructively on fragile brains, or what? Let me explain what I want - I want readers to correctly understand the general procedure for planning such events, their place and time, and of course - in relation to what is being discussed. What can I do - I will add, do you mind?
        1. ada
          +1
          3 January 2023 02: 46
          Well, so okay. To begin with, indeed, the issue of deploying personnel on the ground (as a rule, RS, and all types of areas are of a similar nature) depends on the nature of the events (period, type of troop actions, threats), but despite the name of the "concentration" area, troops (forces and means) in it are dispersed. What "cute.ru" writes to us: "Area of ​​concentration (LOCATION)
          1) a piece of terrain (territory), on which troops are (are located) in preparation and during hostilities, as well as in peacetime. R.s. (r.) are selected in places favorable for protection against WMD, convenient for the location of troops and their quick maneuver. Troops in a R.S.(r.) are dispersed among subunits so as to quickly prepare for combat or withdraw from the occupied area. Spare R.s. (R.) are also appointed. In R.s. (r.) shelters are being equipped for personal. composition and military equipment, air defense is organized, as well as protection against weapons of mass destruction, security, camouflage, and other types of support; 2) in the Navy ... "
          Well, from the old one: "... 7.3. Location of combined arms units in place 7.3.1. Characteristics of the area and requirements for it
          Troops stationed in place are units and subunits that are in reserves not usually associated with the performance of a combat mission, as well as in waiting areas, a rest area, a concentration area (after a march, at large halts, when located for day or night rest etc.). They are located, as a rule, on terrain favorable for organizing protection against weapons of mass destruction, having natural masks and allowing the necessary maneuver to be carried out quickly.

          The area of ​​location, as a rule, is determined by the senior chief. This area must meet the following requirements:
          - to ensure the dispersed and covert placement of military equipment, personnel, weapons, the convenience of placing and resting troops, as well as the ability to quickly assemble on alarm and advance them in the required direction;
          - be favorable in sanitary-epidemic terms;
          - have a sufficient number of water sources, roads and access roads suitable for traffic.
          7.3.2. The location of the battalion (company, platoon) in place
          A battalion (company, platoon) on the spot can be located in the area of ​​concentration, the initial area, the waiting area, the rest area and other areas.
          The battalion in the designated area is deployed in company, taking into account the possibility of quickly forming a column. The size of the area for the location of the battalion on the spot can be up to 10 square meters. km.
          The company in the area indicated to it is usually located along the advance route, using the protective and camouflaging properties of the terrain.
          ...
          When setting tasks for the location, the battalion commander in the combat order indicates:
          - motorized rifle (tank) companies (platoons) and other full-time and attached units - the main and reserve areas of location, the procedure for their occupation and engineering equipment; ...
          ...
          In the area where the battalion is located near the vehicles, the personnel equips open or blocked slots, and if there is time, they arrange dugouts and shelters. For weapons, military and other equipment, anti-aircraft and fire weapons on duty, at guard positions, as well as for ammunition, fuel and other materiel, trenches and shelters are equipped. Locations of subunits, armaments and equipment, positions of guards and fire weapons on duty, traces of vehicles are carefully camouflaged. In the area and on the approaches to it, routes are reconnoitered and prepared for the exit of subunits from the area and maneuver in repelling an enemy attack.
          The battalion in the location area must be in constant readiness to repel the attack of the ground and air enemy, the destruction of his airborne assault and sabotage and reconnaissance groups. ..."
      2. 0
        3 January 2023 10: 46
        Why are there no demonstrative executions in front of the ranks for such criminal negligence in wartime, which entailed grave consequences in the form of the deaths of dozens of citizens of the Russian Federation?
        An army without discipline is a herd.
    2. +12
      2 January 2023 11: 25
      Quote: Dart2027
      I read the comments and wonder. Do you seriously think that the generals personally indicate to whom and where to be stationed? Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.

      Generals are responsible for the commanders of companies, battalions, regiments.
      Or did they just go out for a walk?
      Or have they canceled unity of command and subordination in the army, and everyone turns back what I want?
      1. 0
        2 January 2023 16: 25
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Generals are responsible for commanders of companies, battalions, regiments

        That is, the general should stand behind the back of each lieutenant, and all at once?
    3. +5
      2 January 2023 18: 12
      It turns out to be easy to be a general - just ordered the troops to settle down and they themselves ideally settled down. He ordered to take the city - the soldiers took the city. Fine, I want to be a general.
      1. 0
        2 January 2023 18: 32
        Quote: Timur_kz
        simply ordered the troops to settle down and they themselves were ideally located

        Quote: Dart2027
        That is, the general should stand behind the back of each lieutenant, and all at once?
  27. -21
    2 January 2023 11: 06
    I am amazed at the phenomenal human stupidity that opened up to me with the beginning of the NWO.

    Most of those sitting on the most serious tables here are sure that there is a certain set of rules and regulations, the observance of which during hostilities reduces their own losses to zero.

    You yourself shout from all the irons, “We have a war and not an NWO,” or, “And what are we for ?,, (C)

    Further, it is not clear why, but all human anger after such events is directed not at those who shoot, but at those who are trying to protect. I call it REVERSE consciousness hi

    Grow up. Kindergarten continuous
    1. +11
      2 January 2023 11: 23
      Just the same, most people understand all the difficulties (of course, whoever takes the information, and not just stupidly watches state TV channels), but from the very beginning this is propaganda and the bots said that everything is going according to plan, we grind the enemy with small forces.
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    3. +3
      2 January 2023 18: 16
      DEFINITELY there must be such a set of rules! For each situation, there should be a specific protocol of actions that minimizes losses - from fortifications to the location of troops, warehouses, headquarters.
      1. 0
        3 January 2023 15: 57
        of course have. this code is called a charter. For example, it says how to walk in columns with equipment.
    4. 0
      3 January 2023 16: 14
      getting angry and complaining about those who shoot and kill us is pathetic, useless and unproductive. We need to learn how to do so that our enemies could not do this to us. And without criticism and without intolerance for idiotic mistakes and betrayal, no one will learn anything. We will endlessly step on the rake.
  28. +18
    2 January 2023 11: 08
    some kind of incomprehensible indignation .. for some reason, no one is outraged by the minister of defense, who has not served a day .. if such a minister, then you can imagine what kind of subordinates there ..
  29. +15
    2 January 2023 11: 11
    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: kaufman
    Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.

    ...
    In general, these same military correspondents need a new law regulating their activities, otherwise they began to take on a lot.

    That's really, really, oborzeli Dare, panimash, talk about the great matters here. To the nail of them all. They interfere, here, with talented commanders to fight correctly.
  30. -26
    2 January 2023 11: 15
    Quote: Krilion
    some kind of incomprehensible indignation .. for some reason, no one is outraged by the minister of defense, who has not served a day .. if such a minister, then you can imagine what kind of subordinates there ..


    Sergey Kuzhugetovich is more than a worthy person. Decisions are made locally stop
    1. +18
      2 January 2023 11: 51
      Are you personally familiar? You have surpassed even Meehan, Gonzalez with your leavened patriotism.
    2. +7
      2 January 2023 12: 14
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Sergey Kuzhugetovich is more than a worthy person

      And then Gerasimov is super worthy?
    3. +16
      2 January 2023 12: 19
      Sergey Kuzhugetovich is more than a worthy person. Decisions are made locally

      More than worthy. And in the place of the director of the construction trust, he would have looked quite worthy. In principle, he probably copes with the position of head of the Russian Geographical Society (and what are the duties there?). But what is this, of course, a worthy person doing in the chair of the RF Ministry of Defense? There are much more requirements for the person holding this position than to be a "worthy" person. At a minimum, it would be nice to have a specialized education and at least some work experience in this structure in lower positions. And something does not seem to be pulling these demands.
    4. 0
      2 January 2023 15: 21
      I recommend watching the movie "Two Arrows". There, about such worthy ones, it is beautifully said and shown.
  31. -23
    2 January 2023 11: 17
    Quote: Dart2027
    I read the comments and wonder. Do you seriously think that the generals personally indicate to whom and where to be stationed? Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.


    Don't pay attention, these are people with a rather low level of brain development stop
    1. +7
      2 January 2023 13: 11
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Quote: Dart2027
      I read the comments and wonder. Do you seriously think that the generals personally indicate to whom and where to be stationed? Decisions of this level are made by company and battalion commanders.


      Don't pay attention, these are people with a rather low level of brain development stop

      In ... developed was drawn.
      The whole company is out of step and only one drunken ensign steps in step.
      Isn't this about you by any chance?
      1. +2
        2 January 2023 13: 29
        If a person works, then let him work, the salary needs to be worked out.
        If at the call of the heart - even worthy of respect, because now it is across the mainstream of public opinion, it turns out that not everyone is capable of it.
        1. +5
          2 January 2023 14: 47
          If a person works, then let him work, the salary needs to be worked out.


          It is only possible that a person works for the opposite side, and such tactics are quite effective, to "praise" Putin, Shoigu, etc., thereby causing irritation among users, which will also be projected onto the leadership.
          1. 0
            3 January 2023 13: 08
            Agree. For some time now, I myself have had an increasingly clear impression, already at the level of conviction, that the notorious cissists have now received manuals that require them to gush with jingoistic patriotism, completely discrediting patriotism as such. Those who read their opuses create a subconscious attitude that faith in our victory is inseparable from mental inadequacy. The same Vitya-Gonzalez, who has now disappeared (most likely re-logged in) did much more than a hundred critical commentators to form defeatist sentiments.
    2. +2
      2 January 2023 14: 21
      Well done. Well you attached the generals
  32. +18
    2 January 2023 11: 17
    It doesn't look like horse food...
    The generals do not know how to dispose of the mobilized. The court should be given for such decisions on placement.
    1. +10
      2 January 2023 12: 51
      That's why the number of volunteers and mobilized will be harder and harder to recruit. Not only are there no goals, there is no intelligible ideology. They won’t normally let you die with honor in battle, but like this at night under the rubble in the rear. And all because of one an opportunist (calling himself a general) who for 20 years took his bosses to his bathhouse and drank cognac there without drying out. hi
      1. +4
        2 January 2023 17: 26
        So already Khodorkovsky, one of the commanders of the DPR, said not so long ago that more than 50% of the losses come from his own artillery, due to the lack of coordination between military units, artillery, attack aircraft, and the Air Force. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all pictures from all drones, even Maviks, go on the air in real time, so the target is hit as quickly as possible and often flies from different directions.
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    1. +8
      2 January 2023 15: 13
      Go to the "Russian Spring" already. Why did you have to get out? The world immediately seems so hostile and unfair.
    2. 0
      2 January 2023 16: 29
      Quote: Alexey T.
      I will say more clearly, they are practically indistinguishable from the bright Bandera propaganda.

      And not only. I remember when the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations was the first to die, rushing to help the fallen, the anger in the comments was such that I did not see the difference between VO and Radio Liberty at all.
    3. ada
      -2
      2 January 2023 18: 15
      Quote: Alexey T.
      ... Discrediting the command, dispersing panic, belittling the army, etc. Where do moderators look and who do they work for? Below, off the top of my head, are such quotes, purely according to tsipsosh manuals: ...

      Perfect accent. Yes, it is he - the informational factor of influence on the emerging stacking. I'll just fix a few.
      Quote: Alexey T.
      ... I will say more clearly, they are practically indistinguishable from the bright Bandera propaganda. ...
      It is not entirely true, this is the use of historically related problems of interethnic relations, painted in a certain characteristic color, but having a modern basis of contradictions for the most part with a specific modern and situational goal - to achieve the necessary level of confrontation in domestic politics and social strata of the population to put into effect the next planned measures for the development of this factor of influence. This is an intermediate goal, the signs of the tasks to be solved, you externally described and this is only a small part of them.
      Such characteristic signs are observed at the very beginning of the period of preparation for a large-scale military conflict and have the property of uneven frequency of use with constant build-up and massing at the most favorable moment for distribution and consolidation in the minds of the population, which is observed.
      Yes, all factors of influence (existing, being created and potentially possible) were initially incorporated in the pro-concept of US military planning, US-NATs, including against the Russian Federation.
  34. -19
    2 January 2023 11: 20
    Quote: Konnick
    It doesn't look like horse food...
    The generals do not know how to dispose of the mobilized. The court should be given for such decisions on placement.


    It's like Navalnensky's primitive approach, Replace all the bad with all the good,,.
    1. +4
      2 January 2023 17: 37
      Where Navalny offered to replace? Navalny offered to plant them, with a complete confiscation of property. FBK recently published an investigation into Shoigi's deputy Timur Ivanov. And then the question is, who is the enemy actually, Navalny with the FBK, who showed who Deputy Shoigu is, millions of dollars worth, or the same Deputy Shoigu, who bought pitchforks and yachts instead of missiles, stealing from the country? By the way, Timur Ivanov's wife, like Shoigu's daughter, was rolled out across Europe, while at the front their subordinates were dying.
  35. +10
    2 January 2023 11: 21
    Everything is the same, it is a consequence of impunity, which leads to irresponsibility.
    Those who allow this are sure that no one will ask them harshly for any jambs and they are not in danger.
    At best, they will be transferred to the same position, or even to a higher one.
    How tired of all this.
    Sloppiness, irresponsibility, impunity are ruining the country.
    It's just that in the army it manifests itself most clearly.
  36. -18
    2 January 2023 11: 21
    Quote from StarWarrior
    Comrades!

    It is no longer possible to tolerate this systematic criminal sloppiness of the command of the RF Armed Forces with optimized chicken brains!

    Let's all together write a collective appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Putin on the need to urgently restore the death penalty for all military crimes in the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - the death penalty for all military crimes and its active application by the military courts of the Russian Federation.

    Otherwise, our army will face collapse, defeat and riots mobilized due to the complete lack of discipline, responsibility and professionalism of commanders.


    Set of template slogans stop
  37. +15
    2 January 2023 11: 24
    With such "fathers-commanders" how many mobilizations do not carry out. How did they say "saving the lives of military personnel", right? About the "royal wolf" of all irons, but here it is modestly silent for something.
  38. -10
    2 January 2023 11: 25
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    Everything is the same, it is a consequence of impunity, which leads to irresponsibility.
    Those who allow this are sure that no one will ask them harshly for any jambs and they are not in danger.
    At best, they will be transferred to the same position, or even to a higher one.
    How tired of all this.
    Sloppiness, irresponsibility, impunity are ruining the country.
    It's just that in the army it manifests itself most clearly.


    No, the collective very weak awareness is destroying the country. Everyone wants decisions to be made by someone else and he was responsible stop

    My words are confirmed by the fact that most commentators want punishment and not action hi A completely CHILD AND NAIVE desire to think that this will fix the problem
    1. +5
      2 January 2023 13: 19
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      Everything is the same, it is a consequence of impunity, which leads to irresponsibility.
      Those who allow this are sure that no one will ask them harshly for any jambs and they are not in danger.
      At best, they will be transferred to the same position, or even to a higher one.
      How tired of all this.
      Sloppiness, irresponsibility, impunity are ruining the country.
      It's just that in the army it manifests itself most clearly.


      No, the collective very weak awareness is destroying the country. Everyone wants decisions to be made by someone else and he was responsible stop

      My words are confirmed by the fact that most commentators want punishment and not action hi A completely CHILD AND NAIVE desire to think that this will fix the problem

      No, dear, everyone wants the elementary, so that everyone in his place clearly and responsibly fulfills the duties entrusted to him.
      It is a pity that you did not understand this.
      And one more thing... over the millennia of its existence, humanity has come up with only two ways of educating and influencing - encouragement and punishment.
      Done well, get candy, done badly, get a belt.
  39. +3
    2 January 2023 11: 27
    Again, twenty-five, probably also this one, who collected it, wanted to hold a New Year's light
    1. +11
      2 January 2023 12: 31
      More like political information. Knowing the realities of the army, probably through the line of deputies for educational work (now this is how political officers are called) an order was passed - to ensure that the New Year's address of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief was viewed with a subsequent explanation of its importance, and the coverage of personnel was confirmed with a photo report.
      1. +10
        2 January 2023 15: 10
        100500! This is more like what everyone was gathered in one place for. Watching the televised address of the Commander-in-Chief Putin and possibly with the subsequent speech of his political instructor. I think that such fees were in other places. These guys are very unlucky. Kingdom of heaven to them...
      2. +4
        2 January 2023 17: 20
        Quote: UAZ 452
        More like political information. Knowing the realities of the army, probably through the line of deputies for educational work (now this is how political officers are called) an order was passed - to ensure that the New Year's address of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief was viewed with a subsequent explanation of its importance, and the coverage of personnel was confirmed with a photo report.

        It looks like you just hit the top ten.
        And then also to report - with great enthusiasm they listened and perceived, and so on ...
  40. +17
    2 January 2023 11: 31
    Quote from breakin_beats
    Quote: Krilion
    some kind of incomprehensible indignation .. for some reason, no one is outraged by the minister of defense, who has not served a day .. if such a minister, then you can imagine what kind of subordinates there ..


    Sergey Kuzhugetovich is more than a worthy person... stop

    I fully support. Extremely disinterested official. Everyone noticed this back in 2001, after audits by the Accounts Chamber and the Prosecutor General's Office, when he was urgently admitted to the hospital in October.
  41. +5
    2 January 2023 11: 31
    even Kotz had the strength to squeeze out of himself about this and other events ... Pink ponies, wake up. it's time
  42. 0
    2 January 2023 11: 31
    It is necessary to understand that this is negligence, incompetence or betrayal. It is necessary to interview the survivors who left when and came to investigate thoroughly.
    1. 0
      4 January 2023 01: 51
      No one began to understand Rogozin, but you want someone to dare to say a word for the dead privates ... "The dead have no shame" - and all is not long.
  43. -11
    2 January 2023 11: 35
    Quote: alexey1213
    It is necessary to understand that this is negligence, incompetence or betrayal. It is necessary to interview the survivors who left when and came to investigate thoroughly.


    Your only desire, if you are embittered, should be to rush to the front and smash the Ukrofascist evil spirits. Trust me it's much more effective. hi
    1. +1
      2 January 2023 13: 22
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Quote: alexey1213
      It is necessary to understand that this is negligence, incompetence or betrayal. It is necessary to interview the survivors who left when and came to investigate thoroughly.


      Your only desire, if you are embittered, should be to rush to the front and smash the Ukrofascist evil spirits. Trust me it's much more effective. hi

      Are you already there, mister tsipsoshnik? Change the manual, write like a carbon copy.
  44. -12
    2 January 2023 11: 36
    Quote: Nikolay310
    even Kotz had the strength to squeeze out of himself about this and other events ... Pink ponies, wake up. it's time


    Set an example as ,, woke up ,, from a combat position, or at least having a positive agenda for society good
  45. +10
    2 January 2023 11: 37
    Ukrainians promised us to build surprises for the New Year - so they got it, and even with victims ... Who, in the conditions of artillery counter-fighting, allows people to gather in one place and in a poorly protected shelter ... This is a war, a war of annihilation ... Commanders who allowed criminal negligence, by placing people in an insufficiently fortified place, it is necessary to judge, and in case of grave consequences, and ... In a war, the life of a subordinate is priceless ... You need to cut yourself on the nose that there are a lot of gunners around the ukrov around ... The slightest mistake will be immediately brought by shells or rockets .. We felt this in Afghanistan and in the 1st Chechen ...
  46. +8
    2 January 2023 11: 38


    Just a screenshot from the TG channel MO.

    Our convoys ride near the pillboxes in which the enemy drgs are sitting. Apparently, the supply comes only thanks to heroism, the territory is not controlled (if there are pillboxes of nationalists there).

    I am silent about the errors in the text.
    And that's where a lot of money is spent.
    1. +11
      2 January 2023 12: 36
      Yeah ... DRG with bunkers - this is strong! For such press releases, Konashenkov will soon receive a third general's star!
  47. 0
    2 January 2023 11: 42
    In war, a situation arises where errors are visible to everyone, and their correction should not be visible to anyone in order for it to work.
    If we destroy those who make mistakes, then no enemy is needed - we will defeat ourselves. One of the reasons for the defeat of the Red Army at the beginning of the Second World War was later called just the fear of the commanders before taking the initiative. As soon as the news of a failure or defeat at the front appears, a friendly chorus of commentators immediately enters, demanding to be shot and punished, and thirsty for the blood of their commanders, as if this will change something for the better.
    Will not change. This is an illusion, and a mental reflection of people who are used to beating their ears on their cheeks for the slightest miscalculation. This is the mentality of losers, not fighters. Fear of error only fetters in battle.
    M.b. that's why they are fighting here - in the comments.
  48. -18
    2 January 2023 11: 45
    Quote from cpls22
    In war, a situation arises where errors are visible to everyone, and their correction should not be visible to anyone in order for it to work.
    If we destroy those who make mistakes, then no enemy is needed - we will defeat ourselves. One of the reasons for the defeat of the Red Army at the beginning of the Second World War was later called just the fear of the commanders before taking the initiative. As soon as the news of a failure or defeat at the front appears, a friendly chorus of commentators immediately enters, demanding to be shot and punished, and thirsty for the blood of their commanders, as if this will change something for the better.
    Will not change. This is an illusion, and a mental reflection of people who are used to beating their ears on their cheeks for the slightest miscalculation. This is the mentality of losers, not fighters. Fear of error only fetters in battle.
    M.b. that's why they are fighting here - in the comments.


    Bravo!! Full understanding of materiel! good
    1. +6
      2 January 2023 16: 15
      I would completely agree with you if we really drew conclusions from the mistakes, but this is not the first and not the last case, only recently Rogozin was slammed on his birthday. And most importantly, this is one of the basic rules of war - dispersal, camouflage, shelter of equipment and personnel. What to do with an officer to whom they could not bring it either at the school, or during the years of service, or during the hostilities?
  49. -20
    2 January 2023 11: 58
    Quote: ASAD
    Are you personally familiar? You have surpassed even Meehan, Gonzalez with your leavened patriotism.


    No, it's just you - kindergarten stop
    1. +4
      2 January 2023 15: 35
      Why don't Bakhmut storm our patriotic ones?
  50. -15
    2 January 2023 12: 03
    Alas, in a war there are no losses without losses .. There have always been miscalculations of the command.
    "they do not represent the capabilities of this weapon well enough" is quite natural: we do not have these systems.
  51. -19
    2 January 2023 12: 06
    Quote: Graz
    it's time to apply repressive measures to military commanders carelessly fulfilling their duties
    each mistake has a first and last name, as Stalin said. Send such to the penal battalions to the front with deprivation of military rank by privates


    If you dream about Stalin so much, then he would first of all repress the fighting hysterical sofa housewives who criticize the Armed Forces during the combat period! good
    1. +16
      2 January 2023 12: 43
      repressed militant hysterical sofa housewives who criticized the Armed Forces during the combat period

      Well, this is what Irremovable has been doing for 10 months. And what is the result?
  52. +12
    2 January 2023 12: 13
    Strelkov describes everything in detail. Personally, I don’t have any decent words. One mat.
  53. -18
    2 January 2023 12: 21
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    Strelkov describes everything in detail. Personally, I don’t have any decent words. One mat.


    And now is not the time for words. Now is the time for action stop
    1. +4
      2 January 2023 13: 30
      Quote from breakin_beats
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Strelkov describes everything in detail. Personally, I don’t have any decent words. One mat.


      And now is not the time for words. Now is the time for action stop

      Why are you sitting? Go take action.
    2. +1
      2 January 2023 14: 45
      Lompasniks don’t want to spit in the face, as many times as you see, spit as many times!!!
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  54. -12
    2 January 2023 12: 33
    Quote: Ghost1
    Just the same, most people understand all the difficulties (of course, whoever takes the information, and not just stupidly watches state TV channels), but from the very beginning this is propaganda and the bots said that everything is going according to plan, we grind the enemy with small forces.


    Absolutely doesn't understand. Kindergarten nursery group hi
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    1. +4
      2 January 2023 17: 49
      What did you expect when, after the Chechen wars, hundreds, if not thousands of generals, right up to captains, had to serve life sentences? To list everything, it would take a long sheet to write. But they decided to sweep everything under the rug of “stability” and the same people in the General Staff still worked and still work.
  56. -15
    2 January 2023 12: 46
    Quote: tatra
    repressed militant hysterical sofa housewives who criticized the Armed Forces during the combat period

    Well, this is what Irremovable has been doing for 10 months. And what is the result?


    ??? Do you see some other SVO? laughing
  57. +13
    2 January 2023 12: 49
    They write that the main damage and losses are from the secondary detonation of the ammunition. If this is so, then those responsible for such a “brilliant” decision should be shot on the spot as traitors. By the way, the BC can detonate without any chemicals at all.
  58. +10
    2 January 2023 13: 06
    The idiots who deployed the fighters in this way, who have been fighting in Ukraine for 10 months, should be punished in an exemplary manner.
  59. +7
    2 January 2023 13: 17
    Every mistake (stupidity, intent) has a name and surname! And as long as degenerates in stripes know that for any stupidity they will, in the worst case, be transferred to a new no less profitable position, where they can also steal, nothing will change.
  60. -9
    2 January 2023 13: 31
    Sladkov began to talk about the true state of affairs, got a kick in the ass and went on vacation for six months. Same with others. Strelkov was thrown out altogether, it’s good that they didn’t go to jail until they did.[/quote]Sladkov is constantly wandering around the front, he didn’t go anywhere, and even for half a year. But Strelkov is a separate issue. It’s impossible to listen to his whining, but they gave him a chance to prove himself , got to the front, so he gave up a month later, found an excuse, they say they won’t let you fight, there weren’t any on the lists. You’re all fools, fight yourself.
    1. 0
      3 January 2023 11: 33
      I paid for the “sandwich” and earned money, but only with pollock caviar for 47 rubles.
  61. +11
    2 January 2023 13: 32
    For the hundred and first time, I am convinced that our military is contemptuous of fortification, or has never studied it at all, well, except for digging trenches for prone, kneeling and standing shooting. Such things as dispersal, camouflage, shelter in protective structures are mastered with such difficulty and difficulty. Here I completely agree with the author, the commanders should simply be put on trial. And the patriotic videos, where the mobilized are loaded onto simple trucks and taken in a column to the front line, the Ukrainians squandered at least one such column, these were the first mobilized to die, and they ended up in the combat zone two weeks after being drafted. I think there were no culprits - the war. It’s all the same from the same fairy tale.
    So, for reference, at the very beginning of my dislike, a second engineer-sapper brigade is being introduced into the mechanized divisions, but we have the impression that they do not exist at all. The construction department of the Moscow Region builds residential buildings, hospitals, cadet corps, schools, kindergartens - wonderful. Holy shit, who will build shelters for personnel, protective structures in warehouses, airfields, defensive lines? Private traders have no idea about the organization of fire, protective layers, or covering tank-dangerous areas. All it took was to arrange the concrete pyramids in three rows, well, it’s better than nothing. and probably also raise money at the same time.
    1. 0
      2 January 2023 14: 08
      Quote: alekpro2010
      For the hundred and first time, I am convinced that our military is contemptuous of fortification, or has never studied it at all, well, except for digging trenches for prone, kneeling and standing shooting.

      To make shelters you need equipment, resources, people, management, there is always not enough money for them
      1. -1
        3 January 2023 07: 45
        It's not about money. Construction of fortifications, premises for military personnel, armored personnel, medical services, all this is described in the charter. Moreover, in detail, with illustrations. The company can dig everything for itself, if desired. So laziness and lack of knowledge are to blame here. Also, in my opinion, officers do not enjoy the respect of soldiers. Mobilized people are wayward. 30-year-old men gathered there, who did not live according to the rules, and some did not stand on the pedestal, but they showed off and had more arrogance than their own weight. Officers cannot simply force them to dig trenches and dugouts.
  62. -10
    2 January 2023 13: 41
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    Quote from breakin_beats
    Quote: alexey1213
    It is necessary to understand that this is negligence, incompetence or betrayal. It is necessary to interview the survivors who left when and came to investigate thoroughly.


    Your only desire, if you are embittered, should be to rush to the front and smash the Ukrofascist evil spirits. Trust me it's much more effective. hi

    Are you already there, mister tsipsoshnik? Change the manual, write like a carbon copy.


    In general, I began to think that there is no TsIPSO, but there are ordinary fools and hysterics.

    Grow up. Kindergarten is complete.
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  65. +6
    2 January 2023 13: 47
    The site administration issued me a warning for disrespecting the enemy.
    For inciting hatred towards the enemy.
    I will write a statement to the FSB about local administrators and their extraordinary love for Ukrainian Nazism.
  66. +8
    2 January 2023 13: 50
    Using waste heaps to create underground shelters is, to say the least, a very controversial idea. Various processes take place inside waste heaps; this is a mini-volcano. In the vicinity of housing, waste heaps were generally torn off and the soil was removed by quarry dump trucks. For example, a waste heap not far from my house. We used to climb it as a child, now it’s only about 10-15 meters high.
    And there were also cases when people disappeared in a waste heap. Rare of course, but they were there.
    Sladkov is not local, he may not know this.
  67. -1
    2 January 2023 13: 51
    So that’s why the front line stands, that there are a lot of dummies. To attack, you need to have nimble soldiers and smart commanders. It is always easier to shoot at the same places in Artyomovsk than at positions walking in an open field. They placed the crowd in one place, why? They don’t have enough brains to manage small groups, gathering them into larger ones. It’s bad that they don’t punish, because mutual responsibility, someone’s son, the right person, etc. even worse, our military at one time bought apartments in Bulgaria, Montenegro, etc., the CIA does not sleep, and the authorities love such sycophants as the traitor Penkovsky.
  68. -11
    2 January 2023 13: 54
    Quote: alexey_444
    So that’s why the front line stands, that there are a lot of dummies. To attack, you need to have nimble soldiers and smart commanders. It is always easier to shoot at the same places in Artyomovsk than at positions walking in an open field. They placed the crowd in one place, why? They don’t have enough brains to manage small groups, gathering them into larger ones. It’s bad that they don’t punish, because mutual responsibility, someone’s son, the right person, etc. even worse, our military at one time bought apartments in Bulgaria, Montenegro, etc., the CIA does not sleep, and the authorities love such sycophants as the traitor Penkovsky.


    ,, Everyone fancies himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side,, (C)
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  74. +4
    2 January 2023 14: 58
    It's okay, we got it as we calculated. But according to the last order of the Commander-in-Chief, everyone will go to Paradise. Those who shot without warning will go to Hell. Moreover, in the most lousy part of it, in the one where even devils in gas masks don’t go.
  75. -4
    2 January 2023 15: 09
    We sat chatting with our mobile phones, like sheep were driven into a trap and no one thought of settling there.....the locals were happy to leak it through the bot in the cart....but as usual, I didn’t care and threw up my hands
  76. +7
    2 January 2023 15: 49
    The first data on losses has appeared (tg channel Rybar):
    "...The confirmed dead are about 70 people. Debris clearance continues. Estimated irretrievable losses reach 110 people.
    Over 100 people were wounded."
    1. +1
      2 January 2023 16: 46
      63 dead according to the statement of the mines of defense, this is all easily verified, so they are clearly not lying, but who is assessing it and from what distance is not clear
    2. +2
      2 January 2023 17: 32
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      The first data on losses has appeared (tg channel Rybar):
      "...The confirmed dead are about 70 people. Debris clearance continues. Estimated irretrievable losses reach 110 people.
      Over 100 people were wounded."

      And again a simple question - and again no one will answer for this?
  77. -1
    2 January 2023 16: 29
    Rybar's blog contains the following text:
    At 00.01 on January 1, 2023, the vocational school building in Donetsk Makeyevka was hit by a HIMARS MLRS (two shells were intercepted by air defense, four reached the target). Since mid-December, 14444 regiments were stationed in vocational schools. Yes, they were all mobilized.
    What's secret here? The blogger writes and no one comments on him.
    Matching numbers. The Chinese have 4 ka as the number of death.
    I noticed this coincidence at the cassada. 4re 4 ki in the regiment number and 4 missiles. That's it. They banned there. And here ? Is the same ?
  78. +5
    2 January 2023 16: 30
    Makeevka: there is no limit to the indignation towards those in charge. At the training grounds, are mobilized people trained in the rules and information security regime, or is it only a sapper shovel + ak in the rise-and-release mode?
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  81. +10
    2 January 2023 16: 55
    when I served in the military (1984-1986), any holidays and significant dates were a reason for “increased combat readiness.” It was not just an officer who went on duty, but the chief of staff or political officer. Checks were carried out more often, more people were assigned to guard duty. This is understandable - a potential enemy will not take advantage of any opportunity to ruin the holiday. and it was generally a time of peace! The USSR has not yet collapsed, Afghanistan has already subsided, and Chechnya has not yet begun. And now it’s just war, even if they call it whatever you want, but if two armies shoot at each other, it’s war! And this is not the first time that the irresponsibility of the command has led to the death of our people. And there is no need to say that in war they shoot and kill, and this is an everyday thing! This is commonplace when in battle, but when suddenly it is always someone’s mistake, to put it mildly. So you can “love” anything! And there were already Rust on Red Square and Sukhumi. And the measures taken were to shut up the reporters...
  82. +10
    2 January 2023 17: 10
    Miscalculation?? 63 dead... This is not a miscalculation, this is a crime am and each such crime has a name, surname and rank
  83. +5
    2 January 2023 17: 12
    Quote from Voronezh
    10 months to fight "stupidity"? Too much like...

    And if this is not stupidity, but deliberate setups. I assume that among the command there are enough moles and those who work for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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  86. +3
    2 January 2023 19: 50
    One can immediately conclude that the mobilized commanders simply did not understand the situation at the front. Who are the actual commanders? I personally know the deputy battalion commander of one unit, who worked in the nuclear security service for 10 years before the SVO, before that he was a platoon commander guarding important government facilities, and at the same time, he was not a career officer, but a jacket. Why weren’t the officers explained where and how to be stationed? They just left people behind to gain experience themselves.
  87. +2
    2 January 2023 20: 31
    Quote: ada
    but does not reveal the completeness and specifics of the process. Will you add?

    What is there to complement? Posted, reported on the completion of the task above. If the general is not down, then having received a report on the deployment of the unit at his disposal in the vocational school building, he must conclude that the junior was bullshit in making such a decision.
  88. +1
    2 January 2023 20: 37
    Quote from breakin_beats
    Everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside (C)

    At the military school it was necessary to study diligently as generals, so as not to repeat this. This multiplication table is in military affairs. The majority of ordinary people in the Military District would be fully aware of the danger of placing a large number of military personnel in this vocational school. Are there any generals? So Strelkov is right in his assessments
  89. +2
    2 January 2023 21: 23
    There are admins of TG channels who put all the blame on the mobilized. They say they called home from Russian SIM cards. And they were spotted using the famous "echelon".
    You have to be a complete idiot to invent and believe such a thing.
    1) Russian SIM cards do not work in the LDPR;
    2) in Donetsk a huge number of people are constantly calling someone somewhere; Not only those mobilized in vocational schools have telephones.

    But this version helps place all the blame on the dead. The dead cannot defend themselves.
  90. +5
    2 January 2023 21: 56
    Most likely, everything will gradually go downhill, so why offend people with stripes - this is, after all, protection and support. Well, maybe some lieutenant will be extreme, or maybe, as sometimes happens, the immediate culprits died... That’s all, we’re waiting for the next arrival...
  91. +4
    2 January 2023 22: 39
    What did you want from the generals, for whom in the 90s soldiers built cottages as slave labor, and in the 21st century they steal so much that they can build a palace. For them, soldiers are just slaves, and their own position and money are above all else.
  92. +1
    2 January 2023 23: 00
    Like Bezsonov, Sladkov draws attention to the fact that the Donbass has equipment capable of creating reliable underground shelters for our servicemen. Moreover, in Yasinovataya (DPR) there is a machine-building plant that produces it. It is, says the reporter, about tunneling equipment capable of breaking through and concrete tunnels. But on the Donetsk land there are a lot of waste heaps (high rock dumps). They could, Sladkov believes, be dug up by underground concrete passages, safely placing personnel in them.

    So why didn't Donetsk officials bother and dig these underground tunnels?
    Why don’t Bezsonov and Sladkov hold Donetsk officials accountable for not preparing safe places for the Russian Armed Forces?
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    Maybe Bezsonov and Sladkov are little boys? Maybe they (Bezsonov and Sladkov) don’t understand how they are looking for premises for personnel?
    So, any officer (who most likely does not know the city) looking for premises should contact the city administration, who will offer him suitable premises.

    Once again, for (the little boys) Sladkov and Bezsonov - premises are offered by local officials, Donetsk officials, who, by the way, can leak (the case with Ragozin, also due to telephone activity?).
    So why didn't they prepare?
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    Ask tough questions from Donetsk officials.
  93. +2
    2 January 2023 23: 52
    Quote: kaufman
    They write a lot about the stupidity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the leadership of Ukraine. In VO, in general, people like to joke. And then his own stupidity led to tragedy. Just . Who is the complete degenerate who ordered to place the mobilized in this building.

    This is not a degenerate, this is an enemy masquerading as a fool.
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  95. +1
    3 January 2023 01: 15
    Quote: ABC-schütze
    But the Russian Armed Forces do not have strike weapons capable of hitting and destroying the decision-making centers of the Kyiv Nazis?.. Can you tell me?

    At long distances - calibers (from ships and aircraft), and Iskanders (up to 500 km), the warhead of which is not enough to destroy bridges, but quite enough for centers.
    As for aviation, this can only be solved by dropping glide bombs (which are not produced - there is only advertising for “ready-made samples”) from a height of 15 km - where there is a lack of air defense.
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      4 January 2023 01: 31
      And why is this much smaller combat unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces enough for the same Antonovsky Bridge, but ours is not...
  96. -1
    3 January 2023 01: 41
    Hundreds of those mobilized die without even reaching their positions. (preliminary death toll -110). The question is: is such mobilization necessary? And another - Is it true that “everything is going according to plan”? It's kind of alarming...
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  99. +2
    3 January 2023 07: 00
    Don't have a good idea of ​​the possibilities? From Makeevka to Avdeevka it is only 15 km. This is the firing distance of any artillery system. And heavy ones, over 200 mm.
  100. 0
    3 January 2023 07: 13
    63 people died immediately. These are terrible losses. It is worth declaring mourning at the place of conscription. The most expensive thing we have. The country sent its children to protect its people. And that's how they died. It's horrible.