How an additional device turns an ordinary air bomb into a precision weapon

One of the topics discussed today in the field of armaments has become the so-called "gliding bombs".

It should be noted that this weapon really worthy of attention, as it has a number of advantages.

Let's start with the fact that in most cases we are not talking about a bomb created from scratch, but about modernized by installing a special module with drop-down wings on it.

Consequently, almost any 250 or 500 kg air bomb can be turned into a precision weapon (perhaps there are already modules for 1000 kg bombs), which is very profitable, given the amount of these ammunition stored in warehouses in different countries. But that's not all.

Thanks to the drop-down wings, the modernized aerial bomb is capable of gliding, moving away from its carrier at a distance of about 50 km (Iranian developers claim 60). This means that an aircraft armed with glide bombs is capable of delivering strikes without entering the enemy's air defense coverage area, at least of a short or medium radius.

Finally, the electronics used in the installed module controls the planning of the ammunition and aims it at the target with high accuracy. The same Iranian developers claim that their upgraded aerial bombs are capable of hitting even targets such as a single infantry fighting vehicle or a tank. Presumably, the device uses inertial or satellite guidance systems.

It is worth adding that the above know-how is already used by many armies of the world. Similar devices are promised to be delivered to Kyiv by the United States.

At the same time, taking into account the "deposits" of FABs in our warehouses, the presence of these modules in the Russian army would make a significant contribution to the implementation of the goals of the NMD in Ukraine.

Comments

[Lech from Android.]

At the same time, taking into account the “deposits” of FABs in our warehouses, the presence of these modules in the Russian army would make a significant contribution to the implementation of the goals of the SVO in Ukraine

So what's the problem then?
Why are FABs not used in this way ... SU-34s can bombard the enemy’s fortified areas without entering the zone of destruction of enemy weapons.
And the crews of the aircraft will not have to risk ... which have already lost several.

[strannik1985]

Because this is a photo of the use of a planning bomb from an Iranian SU-22 during a recent exercise.

[Alien From]

These are the devices we need. The only thing is that the leadership does not care about losses, however, as always

[Aristarkh Pasechnik]

In Russia there is a similar bomb - PBK-500U "Drill"!

[Andy_nsk]

In Russia there is a similar bomb - PBK-500U "Drill"!

Unfortunately, nothing is heard about the use of this planning bomb PBK-500U, apparently the industry has not mastered mass production, and this bomb would be extremely useful and inexpensive compared to the KR.

[Dost]

Have you seen FABs? They don't have that kind of aerodynamics. And not everything is so simple with re-equipment. It's easier to make a new one.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: Dost

Have you seen FABs? They don't have that kind of aerodynamics. And not everything is so simple with re-equipment. It's easier to make a new one.

Dost, back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BAZAL, would be useful to our army! We could have had adjustable glide bombs in service for a long time!

[Alt 22]

Because the range of dropping such an air bomb is up to 30 kilometers, that is, in the coverage area of ​​the S-300 and Buk. Is it possible to additionally attach a powder accelerator to the air bomb, so that at least a dozen more kilometers would be added ... Then it is possible to launch without entering the zone of destruction of the medium-range air defense system.

[vlad106]

Quote: Alt22

additionally add a powder accelerator to the air bomb, so that at least a dozen more kilometers would be added ... Then it is possible to launch without entering the zone of destruction of the medium-range air defense system.

Good idea. It's just the electronics problem.

[Andy_nsk]

It's just the electronics problem.

What are the problems with electronics? The GLONASS-guided seeker is the least complex, cheapest, the only thing is that they only work on stationary targets, so they could bomb the bridges across the Dnieper, which many people like to talk about on the forum.

[stankow]

And yet - the least complex laser seeker. With equal noise immunity.

[Andy_nsk]

Because the range of dropping such an air bomb is up to 30 kilometers, that is, in the coverage area of ​​the S-300 and Buk.

You do not take into account that the S-300 and Buki are not placed close to the LBS, otherwise they will quickly become targets for anti-radar missiles. So aviation can quite safely use planning bombs, all world experience confirms this. Well, the fact that there is no absolute weapon and you can find a bolt for every nut is an obvious truth.

[Dost]

It is possible with a cabling. In Afghanistan, the guys threw over the passes and very successfully. And then the range increases.

[Raymond]

yes... I think it's called a rocket.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote from Raymond

yes... I think it's called a rocket.

Raymond, it's called max cast range increase. The Americans have already installed a rocket engine on their AGM-154 JSOW glide bomb.

[Sergei N 58912062]

... additionally add a powder accelerator to the air bomb, so that it adds at least a dozen more kilometers ... Then you can launch without entering the zone of destruction of the medium-range air defense system.

Alt22, then a rocket engine is already better right away, and not a powder accelerator. How the Americans did it by installing a rocket engine on their AGM-154 JSOW glide bomb. Then it will be possible to launch without entering the zone of destruction of the long-range air defense system.

[Shelest2000]

So what's the problem then?
Why aren't FABs used this way...

There is no money, but you stay there ... (c)

[Dost]

What is there? For all? And for bombs and tanks and missiles and UAVs? And for recovery? You know exactly where to spend. I'm sitting on the sofa.

[svoroponov]

Yesterday they showed in a video somewhere near Kleshchevka the use of the FAB 500 on a target using such a device with a bomb. So we not only have it, but have begun to use it. Yes, and there was an article in the press about this development, implemented in record time. So far, for bombs from 100 to 500 kg. The data was not given for the launch range, it probably depends on the height. But the fact that the guidance system is like that of a high-precision missile weapon was mentioned

[Sergei N 58912062]

svoroponov back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT offered the RF Ministry of Defense to equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Maxim G]

It is worth noting that this weapon is really worthy of attention, as it has a number of advantages.

Why didn’t the author of the article talk about the shortcomings of these bombs?

[YOUR]

He did not say that this bomb was made from scratch. Ridiculously upgraded bomb. Modernization type soup from an axe. We took the cheapest b / h if we talk about the price, and then the wings are a device for their disclosure of the GOS and a bunch of all kinds of mechanics. Easier to do from scratch

[Vladimir80]

Easier to do from scratch

and it’s even easier to do nothing at all (as m.o.) ... it’s better to send New Year’s greetings to the front, you can show a report about this on TV ...

[YOUR]

A very stupid comment. Why is he?

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: YOUR

He did not say that this bomb was made from scratch. Ridiculously upgraded bomb. Modernization type soup from an axe. We took the cheapest b / h if we talk about the price, and then the wings are a device for their disclosure of the GOS and a bunch of all kinds of mechanics. Easier to do from scratch

YOUR, back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT offered the RF Ministry of Defense to equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Sergei N 58912062]

Ridiculously modernized bomb.

YOUR, what do you think is funny about that? The Americans have long since upgraded their old free-fall aircraft bombs into adjustable ones by installing JDAM kits on them.

[Yura]

Quote: Maxim G

It is worth noting that this weapon is really worthy of attention, as it has a number of advantages.

Why didn’t the author of the article talk about the shortcomings of these bombs?

Tell me it would be
interesting to read.

[YOUR]

The most important, aerodynamic qualities like a brick.

[Sergei N 58912062]

YOUR, yes, everything is normal there with aerodynamic qualities.

[stankow]

You don't understand. They are American. They have "virtually no flaws"

[Leader_Barmaleev]

There is only one question - who and on what knee will stamp these modules? Or will we buy J-ladies from the Americans? Something today in the articles Manilovism goes off scale ...

[Andy_nsk]

There is only one question - who and on what knee will stamp these modules?

I am an electronics engineer and have already expressed surprise in several posts that nothing is being done in our country to develop and manufacture such bombs. The direction (along with UAVs for various purposes) is extremely promising. Our Ministry of Defense is outrageously clumsy and ossified, it was necessary to finance this direction for a long time, and I would place orders not only at old Soviet enterprises, but also at newly created ones already "under capitalism", there are not many of them, but they exist, they are more dynamic, interested in the final results of their work, i.e. more motivated.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote from Andy_nsk

There is only one question - who and on what knee will stamp these modules?

I am an electronics engineer and have already expressed surprise in several posts that nothing is being done in our country to develop and manufacture such bombs. The direction (along with UAVs of various directions) is extremely promising. Our Ministry of Defense is outrageously clumsy and ossified, it was necessary to finance this direction for a long time, and I would place orders not only at old Soviet enterprises, but also at newly created ones already "under capitalism", there are not many of them, but they exist, they are more dynamic, interested in the final results of their work, i.e. more motivated.

The slogan of the Russian bureaucrat, if you can not do something, then it is better not to do it.
And then you do it wrong. And for what you didn't do, you won't get anything.

[AlexWar]

The problem is in the general that they must equip the army with new weapons. There are specific individuals responsible for equipping the army.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Andy_nsk

long ago it was necessary to finance this direction,

For more than a decade, publications that are being developed. And about five years of publications that are about to be adopted.
Alas, no light is yet to be seen. Plus, over the years, the development has become obsolete - foreign analogues have a range of 50 to 100 km.
But you need to put on supply what happened, in order to conduct military tests, develop tactics. And to work intensively on more promising aerodynamic schemes. For starters, buy Iranian samples.

[Raymond]

Do you want to denazify with weapons created by the Nazis?
We've known for 80 years that it doesn't work... unless guided by the radio...
But in this case, you need to follow the trajectory.
https://ostfront.forumpro.fr/t2554-missile-radio-guidee-fx-1400-fritz-x


As a result, a programmed rocket was invented, it's easier.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Captain Pushkin, back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Eule]

Quote from Andy_nsk

we do nothing to develop

In 2007, he worked in a company manufacturing equipment for testing high-voltage tools and insulators, the boss went to some military authorities, with the idea of ​​​​an analog of JDAM at minimum wages.
One steering machine, one blade forward, inside which is an antenna or optics of an equal-signal seeker. Yes, it would not be ideal, but the price ... is very small. Among themselves, they called the layout "platypus", I don't know if it was a theme, or a nickname between workers. But then the warriors said that what for is not necessary, although there seemed to be discharges of an inert variant.

[Sergei N 58912062]

eule, back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Arifon]

"... who and on what knee will stamp these modules?"
What about public procurement through Aliexpress?

[Dost]

Because we always know better the divans. What to do and where to put the money in the first place.

[alexey_444]

A couple of years of sanctions and we will have smart bombs, there are few engineers, young people prefer to run around with backpacks with food.

[voice of reason]

The ability to hit and control the planning of the bomb is one factor. But there is a question about the transfer of this very target designation. The problem is the same as with the original concept of the "red field". The projectile was supposed to be guided by a laser beam, illumination carried out by a special group of SOF or military intelligence located apparently behind the front line. Perhaps for a low-intensity war and against irregulars like the Syrian conflict, this was possible. But with the intensity of hostilities in the NWO mode, experience shows that the reconnaissance group practically cannot go unnoticed and instantly turns into an assault unit. Yes, and there is no "front line" but there is one continuous fortification, consisting of many kilometers of protected firing positions. Reconnaissance is carried out not by ground groups (the covert movement of which is impossible to ensure) but by means of UAVs. And accordingly, it is necessary to resolve the issue either with guidance on the satellite coordinates of the GLONASS system (which is partly resolved in the Orion army system) or technically integrate laser illumination into the UAV.

[cpls22]

Now the GPS coordinates are guided.
The problem is that only stationary targets become available this way. For the mobile ones, operational space surveillance is needed. The enemy has it, and only the lack of carriers of such weapons saves us.

[Arifon]

"...Now GPS coordinates are being guided...."
I would like to believe that it is not GPS, but at least Glonass ...

[Raymond]

Yes, but Elon Musk is watching, seeing what you're doing, and he's tweeting Ukraine.

Raise your head, look, smile and say hello...
in 6 minutes you are on facebook !
Putin deletes facebook because he is an enemy...
but no, it's just a problem.

[Andy_nsk]

For the mobile ones, operational space surveillance is needed. The enemy has it, and only the lack of carriers of such weapons saves us.

You write something about space, from the realm of fantasy. For moving targets, seekers with optoelectronics are used, or, as they are also called, television.

[Sergei N 58912062]

cpls, the Americans have long solved this problem. JDAM-L kit for retrofitting older unguided aerial bombs. It has the ability to target both GPS and laser beam. Bombs equipped with this kit can hit both stationary and moving targets.

[Andy_nsk]

Laser beam guidance is definitely a technology of the last century. Either via GLONASS (for stationary targets), or an optoelectronic (or other target-tracking) channel for moving targets.

[Goto]

The backlight has already been made in the UAV, but not in all.

[stankow]

voice of reason Laser guidance has never counted on a "group behind the front". Carried out from the NP artillery for 1-2 km, at the location his troops. In theory and in practice, according to the charter and according to a healthy mind. How can the GOS see the spot if you highlight the "back" of the target? And if by mistake you sparkle with your beam? And finally, have you seen how much the illumination equipment weighs, how much to carry and return it to / from the enemy’s til?

[Eule]

Quote: voice of reason

the question of the transfer of this very target designation.

But why?
If an analogue of JDAM costs up to 200 euros (imported parts), then it’s just that the IR is equi-signal in a third of the bombs, and another third is aimed at radio stations or cell phones, the rest, yes, for illumination.
IR is equal-signal, if there are a lot of such bombs, this is the removal of equipment, and all heated shelters. Yes, and without field kitchens, the enemy will be uncomfortable. Targeting by GSM is also a good thing, if you make an IMEI filter so that the bomb goes not to cheap phones of privates, but to the 12th iPhones of commanders.

[Boniface]

At the same time, taking into account the "deposits" of FABs in our warehouses, the presence of these modules in the Russian army would make a significant contribution to the implementation of the goals of the NMD in Ukraine.

I am writing for the THIRD time - you can use this type of weapon with the appropriate CARRIERS (speed, flight altitude, payload) - Where is it near the Pig?

How and from what Ukronosatel to apply? (Bayraktar does not count - it lifts 95 kg of payload)
Another nonsense of a drunken Mykola, moonshine fantasies in a hayloft in a barn!

[cold wind]

They will be used with the MiG-29, Su-24/27, they have the necessary speed and altitude. They were destroyed only in Konashenkov's reports, the range of use of these bombs makes it possible not to enter the air defense coverage area.

[Winnie76]

Quote from cold wind

the range of use of these bombs allows you not to enter the air defense coverage area

To throw such a bomb you need to climb higher. Turned out to be above the radio horizon - lit up on radar - received a rocket - noted in Konashenkov's report

[maksbazhin]

It allows you not to enter the zone of tori and shells (for them, the bomb itself is already a target), with beeches already on the verge, and the S-300/400 will clap their hands.

[AdAstra]

Judging by Engels, we have more ear clapping than clapping.

[cold wind]

Reality shows the opposite. Israel is bombing with F-16s protected by Buk and S-300 objects in Syria with absolute impunity. At best, a small part of the bombs is knocked down.
The aviation action algorithm is simple. The RER systems locate the least “visible” radar zones, a fighter / bomber flies into this zone at extremely low altitudes, makes a slide to the required height, releases bombs, makes an anti-missile maneuver and returns back at extremely low altitudes.
In fact, the aircraft is in the theoretical zone of operation of the air defense radar for a few minutes, this is not enough to detect, identify, take on escort and hit the target. Even if this happens, given that most air defense missiles are controlled by radio command, it is enough for the aircraft to go below the radio horizon.
Naturally, air defense crews are further away from protected objects. Considering the massive use of high-precision projectiles and chimarsoids, deep in the rear. Accordingly, at a depth of 50-100 km from the front, all warehouses, command posts, positions are under the impact of 250-500 kg of bombs.
The only way out is the constant patrolling of AWACS aircraft along with fighters. Naturally, it was best to destroy the Ukrainian Air Force in the first 3 days. But both options are impossible to implement, in view of the degradation of the Russian Air Force.

[Dost]

There is another problem in that before the start of the NWO, the Khokhls had already been informed of possible troubles and they had withdrawn part of the aircraft ahead of time. add here what else they were given.

[Raymond]

Thinking they are aware of the future that Russia is preparing changes your assumptions about the preparation?

[stankow]

The planning range of the usual ones, which they will be given, is 28 km. Air defense range - much more.

[rocket757]

Let's start with the fact that in most cases we are not talking about a bomb created from scratch, but about modernized by installing a special module with drop-down wings on it.

. It is worth recognizing the idea worth ...
Of course, it will not be as high quality as ammunition specially designed for such purposes, but the issue of saving and improving the efficiency of conventional, already available ammunition matters in all respects.
You have to do it yourself, that's a fact. There are a sufficient number of conventional bombs, and it is difficult to use them due to the enemy's air defense systems ...

[Pavel57]

The conservatism of our military for a long time prevented the introduction of such solutions in the Aerospace Forces.

[Goto]

gotta chase. Let them retire. Because their time has passed, this is a natural process. Make way for the young!

[Raymond]

I'm not getting too far ahead of myself by writing that previous decision makers have opted for more innovative solutions.
By offering this new Iranian technique, which is now 80 years old, it is clear that the industry is trying to make it more economical rather than cheaper.

[kamakama]

It's an old idea and a good one. Question two
1) As already mentioned - how to build this economy? By satellite, by video image, by beam or something else?
2) The aerodynamics of different bombs are different. Therefore, without a cardinal alteration, it is impossible to tear it off from one bomb and hang it on another. Well, if you only need to reconfigure the mass coefficients, air resistance and any geometry. And if the power of the actuators is not enough?

[Timofey Smagin]

Iran made this thing for the Soviet FAB 500 bomb of the 56 model. Under the Soviet su 22 which they are armed with.

[Sergei N 58912062]

kamakama, back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT offered the RF Ministry of Defense to equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

And there are enough ways to guide. US JDAM kits point the bomb using GPS. The JDAM-L kit has the ability to target both GPS and laser beam.

[topol717]

The whole problem is not the presence of bombs, but intelligence data, you need to understand exactly where to shoot.
and between the takeoff of the plane and the beginning of the drop, not to mention the fact of landing such a bomb, a lot of time will pass. 10 times faster with Tornado-S to defeat.

[Goto]

Well, if there is no tornado, sir? Moreover, not always the installation can overcome a long distance to strike. But the plane is the very thing, and it can fly up where it needs to be faster. Thus, the efficiency of actions is decided. The ground unit can give coordinates. For example, according to the bunker or around the house where the enemy is sitting. It remains, as usual, the communication system, so that the ground unit would have a connection with the pilot (in order to know the time of arrival, well, transmit the coordinates). Such kits should have been available yesterday, although the planned bombs should have appeared the day before yesterday.

[single-n]

The thing is interesting. The question of price as the kit itself. And taking into account the "wear and tear" of the carrier. Although as operational support can be useful. But taking into account the actually static front, the value is somewhat reduced.

[Voronezh]

There are probably still deposits, only here are such devices where to get with the complete indifference of bureaucrats (and I can’t call them otherwise) in the Moscow Region. If only from Iran to buy.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Voronezh, back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT offered the RF Ministry of Defense to equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain. Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

And now you have to buy from Iran.

[the same doctor]

Too complicated and expensive. The possibilities of electronics are not used, the control is based on the principles of a living person, not a robot.
It can be much easier and cheaper.

[Maluck]

As for me, it would be better to design and manufacture rocket boosters for such air bombs. Shoot from the ground. Turning it into a rocket. Cheap and cheerful.

[Andy_nsk]

As for me, it would be better to design and manufacture rocket boosters for such air bombs. Shoot from the ground. Turning it into a rocket. Cheap and cheerful.

The cost of a jet engine is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of the bomb itself.

[stankow]

Even without an engine, this "modernization kit" has long outpaced the price of the bomb itself. And it's in the states. And in Russia, cast iron is even cheaper, and electronics are more expensive. So in 1997 it was worth it, but now the game is not worth the fry. Better new (by production) air-to-ground missile. There are developments.

[Sergei N 58912062]

... and now the game is not worth the candle.

1) This upgrade kit allows you to turn old unguided aerial bombs into adjustable ones.
2) Allows the aircraft not to enter the range of short-range air defense.
3) Increases the possibility of hitting the target the first time.
So the sheepskin is worth the candle.

[Sergei N 58912062]

The cost of a jet engine is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of the bomb itself.

Andy_nsk, in the west, the problem with the cost of a jet engine has been resolved. By combining the M26 rocket engine with the SDB GBU-39/B aerial bomb. This ammunition is called GLSDB. It is quite possible that it will soon appear in Ukraine.

[Raymond]

This is the principle of the Caesar gun, a propelled and guided projectile (option).

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: Maluck

As for me, it would be better to design and manufacture rocket boosters for such air bombs. Shoot from the ground. Turning it into a rocket. Cheap and cheerful.

Maluck, there is already a similar hybrid. This ammunition is called GLSDB. It is quite possible that it will soon appear in Ukraine.

[Nikolaevich I]

Yes ... kits have been developed in several countries that turn "free-falling bombs into guided (adjustable) bombs ... But the RF Ministry of Defense is of the opinion that such "transformed" bombs are much worse than "specialized" guided bombs!

[wladimirjankov]

but much cheaper and can be used in bulk.

[stankow]

Specialized is always better!

[wladimirjankov]

The reason for the lack of such kits for conventional bombs in our army is the same as the lack of modern UAVs. The lack of foresight and incompetence of the command. At one time, it should have set tasks and demanded from the military-industrial complex the development and production of these weapons. But our hardened generals considered all this to be frivolous, worthless toys and pampering. Why do we need all this? We will crush any enemy with carpet bombardments with simple cast iron, shooting at squares and tank wedges. But for some reason it doesn't work now. The SVO showed that it is impossible to do without this weapon; it is needed today and now.

[Sergei N 58912062]

wladimirjankov, back in the early 2000s, NPO BASALT offered the RF Ministry of Defense to equip all our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Voenoboz]

Citizen, you forgot to say from what height to drop this ammunition in order to reach a target of 50 km.

[single-n]

Good question. As well as what is the reset speed.

[Timofey Smagin]

Judging by the fact that Iran is armed with Su 22, with FAB 500 bombers, model 1956, the height and speed of the drop is quite achievable by our aviation.

[TJR]

Soviet air bombs can be turned into planning ones, there is experience and it is very successful - it has been proven by war.
Further on the link.

http://interfax.az/view/744701

[AlexWar]

Our aviation cannot fly up, well, the question is what have you been doing there since the 70s, that you didn’t prepare and update the parks with new equipment. Aviation does not work on the NMD as it should, so that they fly in a group bombed, the infantry goes on the offensive. Is that how it should be? These missiles are what they did, they do not reduce the population of ukrov at all. All the ammunition was spent with the time of the USSR, and the front stands still for a year, as it will be. There is no effect from one missile per day, massive strikes are needed on a certain sector of the front. These are the modules you need to ask Irn, equip 50 bombers and plow the field under bakhmut

[Sergei N 58912062]

AlexWar, back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules. Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

If then the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation would have accepted the offer of the NPO BASALT, we would not have needed to ask Iran for these modules.

[AlexWar]

Arestovich said that the West plans to attack Russia by 2000 aircraft, and Russia cannot equip even a hundred aircraft in the Donbass. They closed the airfields and, in my opinion, in vain. Somewhere I found information on closed airfields, they closed a lot that if there is a drone raid, then aviation will not even be placed anywhere. There are no defensive fortifications. This is how we prepared for war.

[Raymond]

There are over 2000 aircraft...
But there is no desire to bomb.

We prefer to come to see the opera in St. Petersburg.

[AlexWar]

Just think that after two disastrous defeats in the USSR in 1939, the USSR was attacked, if Russia shows weakness, they will attack us like in 1941.

[AlexWar]

In fact, Messrs. Vanga predicted a war; now, in fact, there is a third world war, the collective West against Russia. One nation decided to nationalize everything, as they say, to force everyone to speak Ukrainian. Now they are depriving the Russian-speakers of their religion there. These barbarians turn out to be Bandera's henchmen. I thought that in 2014 Yanukovych had to disperse everything, he did not disperse, got the war. The question had to be resolved in 2014. The question is why do they think that they had such corruption, how did their corruption of 2013 differ from the corruption of 2015? Yes, nothing, just the media warmed up the people with topics about theft. In fact, some people were just given money. Another question is: is it possible to live without corruption at all? Take the USA tighter, isn't there corruption there, they fully support the companies that develop weapons. They develop viruses, on this their entire pharma industry is fed. In Ukraine at the time of 2014 there were not many oligarchs, but everyone was talking about corruption, these oligarchs of theirs did not disappear, after Yanukovych left, Poroshenko began to earn money. After Poroshenko, a clown came to power, who apparently got too into the role of the Great Commander, which sends thousands of Ukrainians to their deaths.

[Vashek]

Was it hard to think before? Nobody? And there would be no filthy Avdiivka.

[Ponchik78]

Like they thought. Caught on the net the other day

[Sergei N 58912062]

Finally woke up after almost a quarter of a century! Back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Sergei N 58912062]

Vashek apparently before there was no one and there was nothing to think about it.
Back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[bratchanin]

Our air defense will not allow the use of glide bombs!

[Timofey Smagin]

It’s more likely not air defense, but Migi 31 with their excellent radar and terrible R 33 with a range of 304 km. Universal earthing device for bomb carriers.

[Alex242]

Quote: Dost

Have you seen FABs? They don't have that kind of aerodynamics. And not everything is so simple with re-equipment. It's easier to make a new one.

- I completely agree, in this case it will probably be cheaper to make a new one ....

[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: Alex242

Quote: Dost

Have you seen FABs? They don't have that kind of aerodynamics. And not everything is so simple with re-equipment. It's easier to make a new one.

- I completely agree, in this case it will probably be cheaper to make a new one ....

Alex242, back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!

[Alexandre]

Who would have thought, all these well-fed people in uniform were able to realize this only after the start of the NWO. Maybe they should be required to read "Military Review"?

[Alexandre]

On You Tube, a French pilot comments on footage of the destruction of a low-flying Su-34 by Ukrainians: "It's stupid that an advanced and expensive aircraft, due to the lack of the right ammunition, should carry out bombing in such a primitive way."

[Sergei N 58912062]

Back in the early 2000s, the BASALT NPO suggested that the RF Ministry of Defense equip all of our old free-falling aerial bombs with planning and correction modules! Apparently then the RF Ministry of Defense was not interested in this. But in vain! Now aerial bombs, equipped with planning and correction modules from NPO BASALT, would be useful to our army! We could have been armed with adjustable aerial bombs for a long time!