Sensitive information: losses of the Armed Forces cause depopulation of the country

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Sensitive information: losses of the Armed Forces cause depopulation of the country
Source: ru-novosti.com


Until the last Ukrainian


The main question is when the losses in Ukraine's manpower will reach critical limits, after which there can be no talk of any resistance? In the absence of official information, which is hidden for obvious reasons, opinions about the number of dead and wounded differ many times. At one pole, Arestovich and his "losses are not present", more precisely - they are, but not more than 10 thousand in the middle of summer. And further, as according to the textbook - about 30 thousand wounded veterans.



Mikhail Podolyak is no less optimistic, pointing to 13 dead in the nine months of the special operation.

On the opposite side is Ursula von der Leyen, head of the European Commission, who at the end of November let slip about 100 killed soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian army. Later, the words of the European boss were repeatedly disavowed and even cut out a piece of the report with the announced number.

It is clear that an official of this level cannot so easily take and make a reservation - she is far from Biden, confusing Ukraine and Iran. Quite a sane person, albeit somewhat exalted. And if you follow the logic of Arestovich and calculate the number of wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then it turns out that the total losses, according to Ursula, may approach 400 thousand by the beginning of December. These are not irretrievable losses - a large part of the veterans will heal their wounds and return to the front. But there are nuances here too.

It's about the calculation method. More precisely, that the classic ratio of the number of killed to wounded 1:3 is an oversimplified and averaged assumption. Every war is unique and too many factors go into the number of dead and wounded. For example, in World War II, for every American killed, there were three wounded, and for the Germans this ratio was 1:1,34, while for the Italians it was 1:2.

In Ukraine, a difficult situation has now developed. On the one hand, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a numerical superiority, on the other, a serious (sometimes multiple) lag in technical equipment from the Russian army. For example, the Russian army can now afford to fire up to 20 shells per day, while the Ukrainian one can fire no more than 5-6 thousand. Previously, the Russian army fired more than 35 rounds at the enemy. Arguing about where they went and what damage they caused is completely useless.

The fact remains that by the winter of 2022, the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was finally depleted, and this is a huge, if not the main, merit of the gunners. According to statistics, up to 70% of all wounds in Ukraine are shrapnel: rocket and cannon artillery is the main factor that knocks out the enemy's manpower.

From the same series, the weak equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with armored vehicles capable of holding at least minimal fragments. All in sight are the Bandera combat pickups with heavy machine guns or mortar crews. This is an ersatzweapon capable of causing trouble, but completely defenseless against any artillery.

The whole set of factors suggests that the notorious ratio of 1 to 3 is too optimistic for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. We can talk about 1:5 and even about 1:7. Good medical support for nationalists also plays in favor of this. Starting from the mass distribution of first-aid kits of the NATO standard and ending with medical hospitals, for which Western sponsors are so generous.

Under such conditions, a large part of the potential "two hundredth" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remains in the rank of "three hundredth". At the same time, Kyiv will not be able to calculate the exact number of dead combatants.

Firstly, at the beginning of the special operation, territorial defense detachments were spontaneously formed, which were taken into account very fragmentarily. And they died no less rapidly than regular troops.

Secondly, a large part of the territory of hostilities was under Russian control, which also complicates the calculation of the dead.


Source: discover24.ru

Uncertainty gives rise to a lot of versions. Kyiv's western partners were especially successful in this. From the many recent publications, it becomes clear that it is becoming increasingly difficult to hide the gigantic losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine abroad. And it is not second-rate reporters who are drunk on “freedom of speech” who are talking about this, but quite venerable specialists. For example, George O'Neill, Jr., board member of the Institute for American Ideas. According to him, there is a large-scale conspiracy in the West to mask the true losses of the Ukrainian army. A typical campaign slogan was "things are going well in Ukraine."

This rhetoric fits remarkably well with Ursula's "clause" about 100 dead nationalists. Echoing O'Neill in the New York Times, authors Barnes, Cooper and Schmitt allege a stalemate for the Ukrainian army next year. Recall that Zelensky promised to visit Crimea by the summer of 2023. According to the Americans, there is no real possibility of doing this - the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply do not have enough personnel to break through the defenses of the Russian troops.

Depopulation of Ukraine


The maniacal stubbornness of the Kyiv regime is very expensive for Ukraine, which is on the verge of a demographic catastrophe.

It is worth starting with a slow but sure depopulation of the country. The population of Ukraine at the beginning of 2022 was not 43 million, as most sources claim, but only a little less than 37 million people. Ukrainians themselves like to cite a larger number, adding to it the inhabitants of Donbass and Crimea. At the same time, more than 16 million people, mostly women and children, left the country for Europe. Several million more live in the territories that became part of the Russian Federation.

Thus, the remaining Ukraine will barely have 17-18 million people, several hundred thousand of whom are now on the eastern front.

A lot or a little for such a population - an irretrievable loss of 100 or more thousand fighters? The question, of course, is rhetorical, given that mostly young and healthy men are dying, and several tens of thousands more fighters will inevitably return disabled. There are several fundamental problems facing the Kyiv regime in full growth. The longer Zelensky drags out the resistance, the less likely it is that the refugees will return to their homeland in full force.

Many of them have already successfully integrated into the European reality, found a job, started their studies. Like it or not, but Europe is much more comfortable than the destroyed Ukraine. Tens of thousands of unaccounted guns are now spinning on the black market, which cannot but affect the level of crime. And this factor will also be taken into account by yesterday's refugees from Ukraine.

Gradual knocking out of men of reproductive age for the relatively small number of remaining Ukraine will create a demographic hole in the country. Until February 2022, the natural population decline reached half a million a year. We will probably never know how much the country's population will decrease by the end of 2023.


But Zelensky has a plan. It consists in the further mobilization of the male population. Let not by force, but by creating unbearable conditions. And the countries of the West completely agree with this, forming new requirements for the Ukrainian economy.

We are talking about a memorandum signed by the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine together with the International Monetary Fund. According to local publications, the IMF used to give money, and then asked for reforms. Now the opposite is true – first Zelensky must work out the tranches and only then receive a transfer.

At the request of the financial bosses of the West in Ukraine, the simplified taxation regime is canceled and draconian preventive measures are being prepared for non-payers. Zelensky's office called a number of "difficult political decisions" - a reduction in the payment of state employees in 2023 by 27%, that is, by almost a third! Naturally, at the request of the IMF, the total number of employees in the public sector is also being reduced.

Where to go unemployed in this situation? Especially when men of military age are ordered to leave the country. That's right, in the defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Zelensky, together with the West, is simply squeezing his own citizens into the meat grinder of the eastern front.
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  1. +45
    27 December 2022 03: 55
    The fewer banded ghouls left, the easier it will be for us later
    1. +47
      27 December 2022 07: 22
      The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.
      1. +15
        27 December 2022 07: 59
        Quote: Civil
        The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.
        Just the Austrian artist assured to the last that the Red Army was about to run out of soldiers, it was only necessary to hold out a little. Well, how did it end, you already wrote
        1. +2
          30 December 2022 18: 12
          Young men will run out - they will start, as in Germany in 1945, to drive old people, children, women to the front.
          You can only advise them to surrender to the "enemy" as soon as possible, once they get to the front. Let us help you survive until the end of the nightmare.
      2. +38
        27 December 2022 10: 15
        An absolutely absurd comparison of the Third Reich and the modern Ruins, and even more so of Hitler and Ze. The first was an independent figure, and the second was just a clown and a talking head, nothing more. So your comparison is at least not correct, to say the least.
        And about the article, the author does not have any information from the word at all. He was especially amused by the confidence that the XNUMXth in large numbers would return to service, while from the front they write that just out of the XNUMXth, a lot become XNUMXth because of the impossibility of evacuating them, because there is nothing and apparently nowhere.
        Yes, and according to Western sources, the irretrievable losses for October exceeded 400 thousand, so the wild gynecologist is a so-so source.
        1. +36
          27 December 2022 12: 11
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Yes, and according to Western sources, the irretrievable losses for October exceeded 400 thousand, so the wild gynecologist, well, so so


          Irretrievable losses are when a citizen is lost both for the army and for the economy. In other words, "neither in mandu, nor the Red Army."

          400 thousand is a bit much, and therefore we will consider the calculated ones.

          1. Article "Killed"
          - 300 dead on the line of contact per day;
          - 100 dead from missile and air strikes in the rear;
          - up to 80 people who died in hospitals (for five dead, one fatally hopelessly wounded)
          Total: 500 people

          500 * 300 (days of SVO) = ​​150 dead and dead from wounds, which was announced yesterday by the American military.

          2. Article "Missing" (direct hit by a shell, littered with earth, buried under the rubble of buildings)
          In the Second World War they amounted to 790 / 000 = 4 (681%) in the Wehrmacht, 000 / 0.15 ~ 15 (488%) in the Red Army.

          Of the 120 who died on the spot, this is approximately another 000 - 12.

          3. Article. Disabled people (blind and deaf; amputated limbs; fractures from the shock wave of the neck, spine, pelvis, ribs; removed internal organs)

          It is the ratio of two dead on the spot to one disabled person:
          120 / 000 = 2.

          4. Article. Commissioned for chronic diseases (severe pneumonia and tuberculosis; kidney failure; perforated ulcer and pancreatitis; arthritis)
          Poor-quality medical examination, when they row everyone in a row.

          In World War II, it amounted to 2% of those mobilized, that is, from a million mobilized Armed Forces, this is about another 20.

          5. Article. Missing deserters.
          In World War II, they accounted for 1% of those mobilized, that is, from a million mobilized, about 10 more were at least.

          Thus, irretrievable losses amounted to:
          150 dead and died of wounds;
          plus
          18 000
          plus
          60 disabled
          plus
          20 000
          plus
          10 000
          Total: approximately 258 permanently retired from the Armed Forces of Ukraine as of 000/24.12.2022/XNUMX.

          The wounded in hospitals, returning to service after 3 months of treatment, were not included in these 258. This is a PERMANENT STAFF OF HOSPITALS - constantly absent in the ranks while the war is going on.
          Calculated according to the formula:
          monthly number of deaths on the spot * 3 * 3 months of cure = 12 * 000 * 3 = 3.

          Total: 258 irretrievable and 000 sanitary losses amount to approximately 108 total losses.

          IMPORTANT!
          80% of the losses are borne by the BATTLE NUMBERS of the ground forces - infantry, marines, paratroopers, tankers, infantry fighting vehicles. In the land forces themselves, it is only 2/3, and 1/3 is made up of SUPPLY PARTS - staff officers, signalmen, sappers, supplies, artillerymen.

          And now, from a million mobilized, you first isolate the ground forces, in the ground forces themselves, isolate 2/3 of the combat strength, remove 80% of the resulting value from 366, that is, 000 losses, and get the rest of the BATTLE STRENGTH of the Ukrainian army.

          IMPORTANT!
          All other types of troops lose their meaning if the BATTLE STRENGTH of the ground forces is knocked out, that is, those who directly defend, storm and determine the success of hostilities.

          This is how warring armies keep records of losses, and not at the level of a forum booth!
          1. -15
            27 December 2022 12: 37
            Quote: Damir Zakirov
            This is how warring armies keep records of losses, and not at the level of a forum booth!

            Quote: Damir Zakirov
            500 * 300 (days of SVO) = ​​150 dead and dead from wounds, which was announced yesterday by the American military.

            "American military" did not voice anything like that yesterday. The figure you give is completely insane. Maybe there were such bad days, but taking it as an average is unscience fiction.

            Therefore, all your scientific calculations, as it were, are in the furnace.
            1. +12
              27 December 2022 13: 34
              Quote: Negro
              The figure you give is completely insane. Maybe there were such bad days, but taking it as an average is unscience fiction.
              Therefore, all your scientific calculations, as it were, are in the furnace.

              First, my comment is for smart people.
              Secondly, not for Russophobes.
              1. -19
                27 December 2022 14: 25
                Quote: Damir Zakirov
                First, my comment for smart people

                Does not look like it.
              2. +2
                29 December 2022 22: 10
                Damir, you have expounded very instructively. Thank you.
          2. +1
            27 December 2022 17: 10
            1. The number of missing people has already been announced - 35 thousand people.
            2. And where did you get such a beautiful figure of 500 people?
            Let's open the summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for example, for 26.12.2022/200/XNUMX - XNUMX people.
            Shoigu announced the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the whole of November at 8,3 thousand. which gives 276 people / day. Almost 2 times LESS than yours. However, again without specifics by type. So counting them ONLY 200 is reckless.
            And how many of them are included in those 35 thousand "losses"? In September, the RF Ministry of Defense wrote about 100 thousand KILLED AND WOUNDED. And after just a couple of months, only 150 thousand have already been killed .. How cool is that? Have we killed 2 times more in 2 months than in the previous 7? Well I xs.
            Yet again. Usula said about 100 thousand killed at the end of November. We have already threshed 50 thousand in a month, up to 150?
            Let's open a summary from, for example, 18.12 -175 people
            16. 12-130 people
            Well, where are the stable 500?
            So all these calculations are worth nothing.
            1. +5
              27 December 2022 20: 52
              Quote: Single-n
              1. The number of missing people has already been announced - 35 thousand people.

              Add up my 18 "missing" and 10 "deserters". After all, deserters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not leave a note to the chief of staff. And there is also the terrorist defense and national battalions, among which are their "missing" and "deserters". So taking into account and get 000.

              Quote: Single-n
              Let's open the summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, for example, for 26.12.2022/200/XNUMX - XNUMX people.
              Shoigu announced the loss of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the whole of November at 8,3 thousand. which gives 276 people / day. Almost 2 times LESS than yours.

              Losses on the line of contact, that is, "according to the reports of the troops." I wrote, up to 300 people a day.
              Again, there are still losses of terrorist defense and national battalions. Taking them into account, your 276 will exceed my 300.


              Quote: Single-n
              And how many of them are included in those 35 thousand "losses"?

              Not included at all, since "killed" is a separate article. In the file of the servicemen, both the cause of death and the place of burial were noted.
              But in relation to "without introducing the missing" there are no notes in the file. Not found on the battlefield and that's it.

              Quote: Single-n
              In September, the RF Ministry of Defense wrote about 100 thousand KILLED AND WOUNDED. And after just a couple of months, only 150 thousand were already killed. How cool?

              And on July 1, 2022, Zaluzhny's data was:
              - 72 thousand dead on the line of contact, in the rear and died from wounds;
              -- 42 irrevocable sanitary (transfer - commissioned invalids, commissioned chronicles);
              - 8 thousand prisoners.
              This is until the middle of the year and another 6 months have passed until 24.12.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. And if you multiply by two, you get my data

              So who was more informed - Shoigu or Zaluzny about their losses on the battlefield, in the rear from air strikes and missiles, in hospitals?

              The dead servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, during the offensive of the Russian army, whose funeral teams were selected?
              In whose refrigerators were they stored before being handed over to the Ukrainian side, if they were handed over at all?
              Do you remember the database from the Ministry of Defense on the dead APU officers? It doesn’t occur to me that the MO data is only for them

              However, the dead servicemen were also picked up and buried by Ukrainian funeral teams. Shoigu, this data was definitely not reported!

              Quote: Single-n
              Have we killed 2 times more in 2 months than in the previous 7? Well I xs.
              Yet again. Usula said about 100 thousand killed at the end of November. We have already threshed 50 thousand in a month, up to 150?
              Let's open a summary from, for example, 18.12 -175 people
              16. 12-130 people
              Well, where are the stable 500?
              So all these calculations are worth nothing.

              You have some kind of confusion!
              But my data "fights" with the data of Zaluzhny, and with the data of the American military, and with daily reports of losses from the line of contact.
              1. -2
                28 December 2022 13: 21
                1
                And on July 1, 2022, Zaluzhny's data was:

                Which have not been confirmed anywhere. So Zaluzhny did not officially declare anything like that. And this document itself has a very dubious status. For it seems that it was obtained by some hackers xs from where.
                Even my reference to 35 thousand missing is also based on a very shaky foundation. But the figure is not prohibitive, and given the repeated movements of the front back and forth, it is quite probable.
                2.
                Losses on the line of contact, that is, "according to the reports of the troops." I wrote, up to 300 people a day.


                Do you remember the database from the Ministry of Defense on the dead APU officers? It doesn’t occur to me that the MO data is only for them

                Excuse me, but where did you read this? Konashenkov does not say this. Yes, read the notes carefully.
                here for example for 26.12.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX
                In the Krasno-Limansky direction, artillery fire inflicted a defeat on units of the 11th territorial defense brigade in the area of ​​\u40b\uXNUMXbthe settlement of Torskoye of the Donetsk People's Republic. Enemy losses per day in this direction amounted to more than XNUMX Ukrainian servicemen, four armored combat vehicles and two pickup trucks.

                The funeral team of the RF Ministry of Defense arrived and counted the troupes? In general, it is difficult for me to imagine what will remain of a person after being hit by a 122mm projectile. And no one there divides the personnel military or terbatovtsy.
                Of course there are strikes on targets in the rear. But how many died/wounded xs. Maybe they didn't get anywhere at all. Or they worked for a false purpose. So it is difficult to assess the effectiveness of such strikes.
                So there is no need to mix everything together. I judge by the official information of the RF Ministry of Defense. Given that there, of course, there are also no saints and they will downplay their losses and increase the enemy's. But all sorts of "experts" and anonymous hackers also do not inspire much confidence.
                And the easiest way to assess the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the scope of mobilization is YouTube. I think that many before that watched all sorts of YouTube channels from Ukraine. Well, look at how many bloggers have disappeared. Who was called up, and who was washed away. I've looked at the channel of a carpenter from Kherson. The quite cheerful uncle has sincerely rejoiced at the arrival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 4 weeks, and no one is driving him to the front. Like many others.
                1. +3
                  29 December 2022 12: 42
                  And the easiest way to assess the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the scope of mobilization is YouTube. I think that many before that watched all sorts of YouTube channels from Ukraine.


                  I wouldn't be so gullible. YouTube is filtered and if earlier Google was playing with the selection of only videos, now everything that illuminates from our side is stupidly blocked and everything that is on their side + Euronews and all sorts of Freedom is displayed in the top ..... Type in the search any topic: losses, victories, promotion, Ka52. Get 90% of the olis from the West side. Everything is cleaned up and cleaned up.
          3. +5
            27 December 2022 17: 53
            Well done, good job. While I was reading, I thought that I would turn into the 200th from a rupture of the skull.
          4. +4
            27 December 2022 23: 34
            Quote: Damir Zakirov
            1. Article "Killed"
            - 300 dead on the line of contact per day;
            - 100 dead from missile and air strikes in the rear;
            - up to 80 people died in hospitals

            Very qualified calculation, Zamir. But I think that it is necessary to take into account the fact that until the middle of summer the length of the fronts was much greater than now. In the first months, aviation was used much more actively, both bomber, and assault and army (helicopters). The very nature of the database was much more dynamic, and the losses of the enemy then (200) were estimated from 600 to 1000 people. per day . Without taking into account the sanitary and those who died from wounds .. There were more frequent strikes on the barracks and places of deployment of the enemy, more effective strikes on places of concentration, on marching columns, places of unloading. Therefore, I think that the total losses for the entire period of the enemy are higher. I think that about 1,5 times the figure calculated by you. And the consumption of shells in that period was much higher.
            But we will find out more or less exact numbers of losses only after the war, and even then not immediately.
            1. +2
              28 December 2022 00: 10
              Quote: bayard
              Very qualified calculation, Zamir. But I think that it is necessary to take into account the fact that until the middle of summer the length of the fronts was much greater than now. In the first months, aviation was used much more actively, both bomber, and assault and army (helicopters). The very nature of the database was much more dynamic, and the losses of the enemy then (200) were estimated from 600 to 1000 people. per day . Without taking into account the sanitary and those who died from wounds .. There were more frequent strikes on the barracks and places of deployment of the enemy, more effective strikes on places of concentration, on marching columns, places of unloading. Therefore, I think that the total losses for the entire period of the enemy are higher. I think that about 1,5 times the figure calculated by you.

              I agree with you and see the reason in the following.
              Firstly, the first four months are characterized by a large number of destroyed vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, trucks, aviation, helicopters and air defense systems. And behind each piece of equipment is a dead crew or crew, and in the case of infantry fighting vehicles and trucks, entire squads of dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              Therefore, those killed in March-June (4 months), based on the data of Zaluzhny, are 72 military personnel, and in July-December (640 months), another 6 - 150 ~ 000.
              That is, the losses under the article "killed" (those who died on the line of contact, in the rear and those who died in hospitals) are comparable, but the periods differ by as much as one and a half times. This confirms your assertion that the losses were higher in the beginning. At least up to 600 people per day only under the article "killed" for the first 4 months.

              Secondly, are the losses of terrorist defense and mercenaries included in the data I calculated? This is the same dark forest as the losses of the Volkssturm during the Second World War. The forger Müller-Hillebrand, and this is a fundamental work, they do not pass at all and only the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS troops are taken into account.
            2. -1
              31 December 2022 07: 09
              If the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 300+ losses, our troops would already be in Kyiv, there would simply be no one to hold the front line
              1. -2
                4 January 2023 04: 00
                See what you want! And stop theft-cutting the military budget? Think about who in Russia benefits from this parody of a war with the main task - to harm the enemy as little as possible! And from the zomboyaschik there are only false victorious reports! And the army was not ready! Well, just like the storming of Grozny at the end of 1994 with recruits from the November draft against the militants who passed through Afghanistan!
          5. 0
            8 January 2023 01: 26
            Good evening.
            Good alignment, studied with interest.
            And I think it's close to reality
          6. 0
            16 January 2023 20: 21
            Respect and gratitude to Damir for such a thorough and scientific approach to the issue.
            Daily losses are, by definition, a weak point of any analytics, because the data is not just closed, but also deliberately distorted by all interested parties (each in his own direction).
            For the same statistics and various ratios - low bow!
        2. +1
          27 December 2022 12: 43
          More than a fair comparison. The fact that the resident of evil is not in Kyiv, but in Fashington, the fact that in Kyiv there is a puppet, and not a puppeteer, does not change the situation as a whole ...
        3. -2
          27 December 2022 13: 22
          Yes, and according to Western sources, the irretrievable losses for October exceeded 400 thousand, so the wild gynecologist is a so-so source.

          And how much did the Russian army lose according to the same Western sources?
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      3. +7
        27 December 2022 11: 45
        Instead of ideological scum, there is mercantile scum, he is also a comedian. He won't shoot himself.
      4. +3
        27 December 2022 12: 18
        Quote: Civil
        The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.

        So it’s interesting - why don’t ours calibrate Zelensky’s office?
        With our capabilities, it would be possible to arrange a real hunt for him.
        So that he could not stick his nose out of the bunker!
        And then cover this bunker with the "Dagger".
        But this is not. Do not want? Violently volunteer?
        Who knows...
        1. +5
          27 December 2022 13: 34
          So it’s interesting - why don’t ours calibrate Zelensky’s office?
          With our capabilities, it would be possible to arrange a real hunt for him.

          What about the meaning? Will this somehow improve the situation militarily? Will it lead to the surrender of the outskirts? They will immediately find a replacement for him, a whole stack has already been built there. And the comedian will be declared a great martyr, they will sing him in ballads. It is right that valuable missiles are not transferred to a useless target.
          1. +9
            27 December 2022 14: 50
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            What about the meaning? Will this somehow improve the situation militarily? Will it lead to the surrender of the outskirts?

            Knocking out decision heads is always disorganizing. And the reasoning - what's the point of eliminating Ze and K, if others come instead of them - these are the same reasoning - why eliminate such and such a terrorist, suddenly instead of him there will be even more reckless.
          2. +5
            27 December 2022 17: 12
            What about the meaning? Will this somehow improve the situation militarily? Will it lead to the surrender of the outskirts? They will immediately find a replacement for him, a whole stack has already been built there. And the comedian will be declared a great martyr, they will sing him in ballads. It is right that valuable missiles are not transferred to a useless target.

            Not this way. If every week, a newly appointed "Zelya" from the stack goes to hell after the previous one, then the morale of the army will drop to a minimum. And if there is still the same hunt for the entire quarter booth, all the more so.
            ps I read Lavrov's speech that US intelligence agencies are taking serious measures to physically eliminate the President of the Russian Federation. And the CIA does not choose useless targets.
            1. 0
              30 December 2022 14: 21
              Quote: Former soldier
              Not this way. If every week, a newly appointed "zell" from the stack goes to hell after the previous one, then the morale of the army will drop to a minimum.

              It is more useful to destroy Zaluzhny than Zelensky. Zelensky partly plays along with Putin and Gerasimov by forcing the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the punitive national battalions to take active steps and take heavy losses. The purpose of the SVO is the denazification of Ukraine. And on the ground, Ukraine can be denazified if at least 500 Ukrainian nationalists are killed.
            2. -1
              18 January 2023 21: 00
              This is wrong, because the CIA knows very well that if Putin leaves, an anarchic and uncontrolled Russia will follow him.
              On the contrary, the CIA is going to get Putin to stay and take responsibility, to be judged by his people (like Saddam Hussein, for example).
          3. 0
            27 December 2022 18: 34
            The stack can be destroyed. If, in addition to the meat grinder at the front, organize the identification and defeat of this stack. A matter of time and technology
          4. 0
            27 December 2022 21: 22
            And the comedian will be declared a great martyr, they will sing him in ballads.

            So that's great! Let them sing of him and his successors, according to the "stack". And it feels way too easy. And Caliber is not sorry for this.
          5. 0
            27 December 2022 23: 12
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            He will be replaced immediately.

            They will not find it, a squabble will begin between Zaluzhny, Arestovich and other applicants.
            1. +1
              28 December 2022 08: 25
              Quote: guest
              squabbling between Zaluzhny, Arestovich and other applicants.

              Drug addict, right?

              Arestovich and Zaluzhny are like Solovyov and Shoigu approximately. And not Shoigu, who is the current one, but the conditional Malinovsky.
            2. +1
              28 December 2022 20: 59
              Biting in what sense: no one wants to be the next great martyr? If you regularly send new henchmen to their Bandera, it seems to me that those who want to become ukroprezik will greatly decrease.
      5. +1
        27 December 2022 13: 56
        Well, given that Berlin was defended mainly by the Volkssturm, the Hitler Youth, firefighters, policemen, and there were only 60 thousand Wehrmacht and SS soldiers against the millionth Soviet group, yes, the artist ran out of soldiers.
        1. +2
          27 December 2022 18: 37
          Rakitin
          Yeah, Berdin was defending the Hitler Youth firefighters ... on Tiger tanks and with large-caliber artillery. Why, then, was Berdin taken with such losses? Some Seelow heights were worth something ...
      6. 0
        27 December 2022 14: 02
        Quote: Civil
        The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.


        Oh really? And how did it happen that Soviet soldiers ended up in Berlin and why? Is it because there are too few chances left to stop the offensive of the Red Army?
        By the beginning of 1945, these shortcomings did not pose any real threat to the USSR. Later - just the agony of the dying,

        "Only a miracle can save us, but reasonable people do not believe in the possibility of miracles."
        1. +1
          27 December 2022 14: 25
          Quote: Illanatol
          Is it because there are too few chances left to stop the offensive of the Red Army?

          Dofiga remained.
          Quote: Illanatol
          By the beginning of 1945, these shortcomings did not pose any real threat to the USSR

          Wow applications. That is, the Vistula-Oder, Berlin, Balaton, etc. Are these some kind of jokes?
      7. +1
        27 December 2022 16: 40
        Quote: Civil
        The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.

        Powerfully, of course, you mixed up cause and effect. Hitler shot himself when the fighting was going on in Berlin, i.e. just when the 3rd Reich was already giving off its spirit and his life no longer affected anything.
      8. +1
        27 December 2022 18: 31
        Not quite like that... On April 30, Heilgitler became a martyr, and the war went on for another 9 days. And in some places (in Czechoslovakia, Courland) even after that. The war ended only when the fascist command unconditionally surrendered. German losses were orders of magnitude greater than ukrov now
        1. 0
          30 December 2022 14: 32
          Quote: futurohunter
          German losses were orders of magnitude greater than ukrov now

          Germany had a front of thousands of kilometers along the outskirts of both Western and Eastern Europe. The Ukrainian front in 2022 is now about 700 km, almost an order of magnitude smaller. According to the average losses per 1 km of the front on the day, the losses of the Germans in 1941 and Ukrainians in 2022 do not differ much, perhaps Ukrainian losses are even at the level of German losses in June-October 1941. The effectiveness of Russia's actions has increased after the strikes of geraniums on the energy system of Ukraine. If Lavrov manages to arrange the supply of drones and long-range missiles from the DPRK, then the effectiveness of these strikes could triple. The military-industrial complex of the DPRK is able to neutralize all the efforts of France and Germany in support of Ukraine. It's just that the DPRK needs to pay for weapons with uranium, timber, hydrocarbons, and possibly food and metal products.
      9. -3
        27 December 2022 19: 04
        Quote: Civil
        And not when he ran out of soldiers.

        That is, at the time of Hitler's death, he had a multi-million dollar army? Hmm...
        1. +5
          27 December 2022 20: 44
          Quote: Dart2027
          That is, at the time of Hitler's death, he had a multi-million dollar army?

          Is this news to you? GA Centre, Scherner, GA S, Vietinghoff, GA Asch, Bush. Plus every little thing like Courland and Norway. In total, something like 4 million. It's minimum.
          1. -3
            27 December 2022 21: 26
            Quote: Negro
            In total, something like 4 million. It's minimum.

            Yes. 2 times less. Moreover, almost all the equipment was destroyed.
            1. 0
              28 December 2022 23: 15
              Quote: Dart2027
              2 times smaller

              Rather more. The three major army groups I have named are about a million each. And there was also the GA Vistula, the remnants of the Balkan armies and the whole command of West Kesselring. Which, after the Ruhr Cauldron (and the demilitarization / denazification of the Model), practically ceased resistance and gave the Americans a green light to Berlin (until the notorious Wenck decided to play a hero on the Elbe). And that means no troops were lost.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Moreover, almost all the equipment was destroyed.

              There was enough equipment for 10 years of Middle East wars. But the logistics, yes, were destroyed.

              By the way. Everyone, I hope, understands that despite the extremely flattering name "ukrovermacht" adopted in Russian propaganda, before any German army group, even the 45th year of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, how is it before the moon? First of all, in terms of the quality of headquarters and command?
              1. 0
                29 December 2022 19: 42
                Quote: Negro
                Rather more. The three major army groups I have named are about a million each. And there was more

                And that's why literally children were thrown to the defense of Berlin?
                Quote: Negro
                There was enough equipment for 10 years of Middle East wars.
                Well, what were the grandiose tank and air battles in the spring of 1945?
                1. -1
                  31 December 2022 15: 51
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Well, what were the grandiose tank and air battles in the spring of 1945?

                  The Red Army in April 1945 was losing about 150 tanks. In that war, the average daily losses of Red Army tanks in terms of combat and non-combat losses were at the level of 400 units.
                  1. 0
                    31 December 2022 17: 52
                    Quote: gsev

                    The Red Army in April 1945 was losing about 150 tanks. In that war, the average daily losses of Red Army tanks in terms of combat and non-combat losses

                    Lost from enemy tanks and self-propelled guns or from non-combat losses, from faust rounds, mines, etc.?
      10. 0
        28 December 2022 09: 32
        Fuel and the loss of the main part of the military industry is the reason for the collapse of the Third Reich, the artist could not shoot himself, it would not change anything.
    2. +7
      27 December 2022 11: 29
      Are there no losses in the RF Ministry of Defense? Terminators are at war? Do Donbass and Luhansk have no losses? "Wagner" immortal? Reading these brainless articles, you conclude that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been destroyed three times along with the population of Poland and the EU. Only now a cart with wheels in manure is still there.
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      2. -1
        27 December 2022 13: 34
        Are there no losses in the RF Ministry of Defense?

        In Russia, the mob potential is about 8 times greater.
        Well, it is recognized that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at least 4 times greater.
        The total difference is 32 times.
        1. +4
          27 December 2022 14: 15
          Quote: bk316
          Well, it is recognized that the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at least 4 times greater

          Hmm.
          Who is recognized?
        2. 0
          27 December 2022 18: 14
          They asked about the losses, you answered about the potential. If the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, based on article 450000, then from your words, the losses of the Russian Federation are 110000?
      3. -6
        27 December 2022 14: 05
        Quote: Maxim Arkhipov
        Are there no losses in the RF Ministry of Defense? Terminators are at war? Do Donbass and Lugansk have no losses? "Wagner" immortal?


        There are losses, but a) losses are much smaller b) our demographic potential is much greater. c) demographic losses are compensated by the acquisition of new fellow citizens.

        We have a small scratch, Ukraine has a severe wound.
        1. +1
          27 December 2022 14: 14
          Asians? So-so substitution. Not the case.
        2. +4
          27 December 2022 18: 23
          The fact that for you, as you put it obscenely, is not a big scratch, for your other fellow citizens - grief, broken lives, loss of loved ones (fathers, sons, husbands). When some shed blood for their homeland, while others give their children for it, such non-humans sit in their homes and amuse their swollen pseudo-patriotism, counting how many were killed somewhere there !!!
        3. +1
          27 December 2022 20: 45
          "We've got a little scratch." That's right, if you shoot from a machine gun in the head, then this will not affect the body of the country in any way. In general, it is blasphemy to talk like that about our dead. You are a blasphemer, my friend.
      4. +2
        27 December 2022 18: 01
        I’m confused, they write that the Ukrainian army has long ended, and our soldiers are fighting exclusively with NATO mercenaries, now, in fact, the same people are talking about when Ukraine will run out of soldiers. How can this fit in one head for some?
    3. 0
      27 December 2022 19: 22
      FoBoss_VM (Ivan) The fewer banded ghouls left, the easier it will be for us later
      ... if we were talking about 100% brutal ukrofascists ...
    4. -3
      27 December 2022 20: 30
      Zelensky in the photo hands in trousers as if walking through Disneyland
  2. +17
    27 December 2022 04: 01
    There are fewer stubborn ukronatsiks on the Internet ... a clear sign that a significant part of the most active of them have been disposed of to Bandera.
    This process must be put on stream and not closed until the last destroyed Bandera ... there should be no peace negotiations with these murderers in principle.
    1. +2
      27 December 2022 09: 17
      "There are fewer stubborn Ukronazis on the Internet"
      You are wrong. Just the opposite. And the Nazis just hid.
      1. +1
        27 December 2022 11: 18
        For example, the Russian army can now afford to fire up to 20 shells per day...

        The Americans have already brought about a million shells. When will they run out Ukrainians - the Poles will begin, then the Germans, etc. There are no illusions about this. In general, the West has not yet begun to help in full. On average, only about 2% of different types of weapons were provided from the total volume of their own arsenals.
        1. -2
          27 December 2022 18: 27
          They proved to me here last week that the Ukrainians ended back in June, and Poles, Germans, etc. are fighting instead of them ... Whom to believe? Those who claim that the Ukrainians are over and Russia is at war with NATO, or those who say that the Ukrainians are not over yet, and the battle with NATO is yet to come!?
        2. -1
          27 December 2022 22: 40
          2%, and we already have a whole face in the blood. But the heroes are already a complete pantheon from Shoigi to Murado-Akhmedov
        3. -1
          18 January 2023 21: 21
          At the moment, the West is helping with old or obsolete equipment, as well as ammunition that does not have a strategic reserve (what it has in excess).
          The West is not engaged in the war economy, this is a normal life.
    2. +1
      27 December 2022 09: 35
      it's more likely that they have problems with electricity
  3. 0
    27 December 2022 04: 34
    Well, judging by the pace of advancement of the front, they still have a LOT of meat and will not end soon. And the depopulation of the male population is a great way to clean up western Ukraine later, while the slaughter is going on in the east. To give out EU passports to refugees at the border and bring them back, you get an oil painting, as with Russian passports in the Donbass. What kind of girl does not dream of a European prince, and Mykola may not return.
    1. +6
      27 December 2022 08: 56
      There are no EU passports, there are passports of the countries included in this association.
    2. +2
      27 December 2022 11: 27
      No EU passports? Yes and no. In the passports of states, the EU emblem is printed. Brussels "wise men" confused the issue of EU citizenship in their own way. It's amazing how people like Ursula are able to get into control. Truly Ilyich was right, not only a cook, but also a gynecologist can govern the state. Well, yes, the garna zhinka will continue to love his Mykola from afar - and miss him, but to return to Ukraine, well, no, the orcs "fly" there.
      1. -1
        18 January 2023 21: 24
        This is a national passport valid in the Schengen area, not what you say.
  4. +3
    27 December 2022 05: 12
    On the other hand, Europe will have one less headache - the question of where to redirect the flow of refugees from North Africa and the Middle East begins to acquire some kind of connection to reality - someone must grow vegetables, fruits, grains, preferably almost for nothing - here are all the conditions for you ( bonus - local women). I won’t be surprised if documents come up in a few years, THAT IT WAS INTENDED SO ...
    1. +1
      27 December 2022 05: 57
      It is quite possible. In the Baltics, this seems to be starting to act.
    2. +12
      27 December 2022 08: 36
      oh well, blacks are not stupid .. they are all rummaging around in Germany, France and Sweden .. in the tribaltic, and in Poland there are very few of them, no one will go to Ukraine, they won’t work for profit ..
    3. -4
      27 December 2022 11: 30
      Quote: Leader_Barmaleev
      the question of where to redirect the flow of refugees from North Africa and the Middle East is beginning to acquire some kind of connection to reality.

      This is quite likely.
      Europe receives Ukrainians - a literate population with "European" morality, at least with some education and professions, and utilizes illiterate, Islam-sick, unmotivated "refugees" on the Ukrainian front. A very good exchange. But this is the replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from 3 to 7 million pseudo-refugees motivated to "kill Russians" who have nowhere to go.
      1. +2
        27 December 2022 14: 10
        Quote: eule
        Europe receives Ukrainians - a literate population with "European" morality, at least with some education and professions, and utilizes illiterate, Islam-sick, unmotivated "refugees" on the Ukrainian front. A very good exchange.


        European morality - praise Bandera and jump on the Maidan?
        Well, they will work out, keep your pocket wider.
        And that the Islamists will go to Ukraine is also a fairy tale. They are not so stupid, they did not strive to Europe in order to work hard in the fields and fight with the Russians. The last thing - they could have done it in Syria, but for some reason they didn’t want to.
        Do not wishful thinking, it's ridiculous from the outside.
  5. +13
    27 December 2022 05: 34
    at the request of the IMF, the total number of employees in the public sector is also being reduced.
    The increase in the retirement age, at one time, took place in Ukraine and Russia, at the request of the IMF.
  6. +7
    27 December 2022 05: 51
    On the opposite side, Ursula von der Leyen, head of the European Commission, who at the end of November let slip about 100 killed soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian army.

    A good Bandera is a dead Bandera.
  7. +4
    27 December 2022 06: 05
    On the opposite side, Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, ... Quite a sane person, albeit a little exalted.
    I have "deep doubts" about her sanity. Very "deep". A puppet, completely under the mericatos, therefore her "sanity" is completely absent.
  8. +10
    27 December 2022 06: 30
    reduction in the payment of state employees in 2023 by 27%, that is, by almost a third!


    I agree with everything! And that the stoned ones are crushed like rats, and that there are fewer of them on the site! But! Mr. Fedorov, this figure of 27% is closer to a quarter, but not to a third! Why exaggerate us?! We are also a little literate here!
  9. +5
    27 December 2022 06: 31
    The maniacal persistence of the Kyiv regime is very costly for Ukraine
    Does this regime care about a country called Ukraine? They hide behind the country to knock out money from the accommodating West today, which eventually go to increase their personal bank accounts in the same West. Therefore, without pity, they throw their own into a meat grinder in order to show the Americans and Europeans at least some result.
    natural population decline reached half a million a year
    And this is for the best, because. less will be born - less will grow fascists with hatred for Russia.
  10. +5
    27 December 2022 06: 41
    And what about our losses? No one considered? Or it’s impossible
    1. +2
      27 December 2022 08: 15
      Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
      And what about our losses?

      If official losses per 1st of ours account for 7-8 not ours, then it will not be difficult to calculate the losses on our part. Rough calculation will be as follows: from the official 100t. we take away one zero of the killed Ukrainians and get 10 tons. ours.
      1. +3
        27 December 2022 12: 17
        Is there any OFFICIAL data on this ratio? Or is it again the media and the crowd of talkers convey the truth, as they have been talking about stupid and cowardly VSU for 8 years. Or about Yatsenyuk's wall? Or the useless Hymars? Or destroyed air defense. But at the same time there is not a single message about growing up. aircraft at least over Poltava.
      2. +3
        27 December 2022 12: 31
        Quote: Boris55
        If official losses on our 1st account for 7-8 not ours

        And where did you get the official losses, comrade?
      3. -2
        27 December 2022 20: 33
        Considering that 10 thousand Soviet soldiers died during the 15 years of the war in Afghanistan. 10 thousand for svo in 8 months is a disaster
        1. 0
          15 January 2023 18: 55
          Greetings, Vasily.
          I have to somewhat disagree with the methodology of your comparison.

          1. The intensity of hostilities is completely different. In Afghanistan, there were rather sorties to suppress pockets of resistance and comb out areas, but here there is a full-fledged front, assaults on cities and fortified areas.
          2. The Mujahideen did not even have such a list of weapons. For them, the Stingers became almost a turning point (our wide opportunities in the air BEFORE the appearance of the Stingers, by the way, also greatly reduced the losses among the Soviet soldiers), and the current Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be surprised by a “simple” Javelin, there the Highmarses are held in high esteem, Leopards are waiting.
          3. It is statistically difficult to compare samples of 11 months and 10 years. Let's rely on the official data of the Russian Federation. Just to reduce the number of inputs and evaluate the dynamics.
          - March 2: 498 killed (83 people / day)
          - March 25: 1351 killed (46,6 people / day)
          - September 21: 5937 killed (25,8 people / day)
          From these data, it can be seen that the first weeks of the NWO were the most bloody, which there is a lot of evidence from various sources and a lot of articles explaining “why this happened” on this site. Large losses at the initial stage do not allow simply multiplying the conditional year of the NWO by 10 and comparing it with Afghanistan, where all kinds of “statistical outliers” (don’t take it as blasphemy) are spread over 10 years, not 11 months. By the way, there is data on which the losses of OKSVA killed differ from year to year by more than 40 times, that is, there were their most difficult weeks.
          4. In mathematics, unlike accounting, the answer does not depend on the methods of counting. But everything related to losses is much closer to accounting for a number of very obvious and objective reasons. Therefore, it is more correct to compare our official statistics on Afghanistan with the data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and Konashenkov, and not the conditional 10.000 from “independent sources” and “third parties”. To other things being equal, as they say.
          5. Well, the most banal - the number. At its peak in 1986, the contingent of Soviet troops reached 120.000, and it all started with a "modest" 81.000. Then mathematics comes into play, the larger the contingent, the greater the losses can be. There were no less than 160.000 of ours in the NWO at the beginning.

          It's a little long, but I'm sorry - I love math too much. All the best!
      4. -1
        18 January 2023 21: 29
        Ask the author of the article who quotes Western estimates of Ukraine's losses...
        Ask him why he does not mention the assessment of Russian losses by the same West, instead of making guesses and assumptions.
    2. +2
      27 December 2022 08: 40
      Shoigu in September called the figure 5937 people. Most likely it was pretty close to the truth at that time.

      Naturally, Shoigu is only responsible for his own economy, MO.
      1. 0
        27 December 2022 11: 25
        Well, multiply by two (LDNR, then not yet part of the Moscow Region, Wagner and others), and just about 10-12k turned out for the fall
        1. 0
          27 December 2022 12: 08
          And take into account the fact that the 404s have been fighting on the offensive for almost half a year in a blunt
          1. +1
            27 December 2022 12: 33
            Quote: Zaurbek
            404s have been on the offensive for almost half a year in a blunt

            Wow. That is, the battles for Severodonetsk - Lysichansk, Sands, Vugledar, Artemovsk, etc. Is this some kind of joke to you?
            1. +2
              27 December 2022 15: 46
              When were they? and when did those that are now begin? Take attacks on Kherson, Krasny Lyman .... how many waves they had back and forth. Failed attack - minimum 50% losses.
        2. +4
          27 December 2022 12: 27
          Quote from Kriso Sborshik
          So multiply by two

          This is an absolutely ridiculous number.

          The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is the most trained, armed, and, as far as possible, controlled part of the combatants. In addition, judging by the regroupings, these people are not at all going to look for the death of a martyr. The main figure of losses is given by the people's corps, all sorts of "detachments" with an unclear status, convicts, mobs of the LDNR, etc. Apparently, in the LDNR there is no accounting at all.

          First of all, the l / s that is free is spent. So it would be very strange if the losses of the relatively expensive Shoigov's were such a large percentage of the total.
          1. 0
            27 December 2022 13: 37
            The main figure of losses is given by the people's corps, all sorts of "detachments" with an unclear status, convicts, mobs of the LDNR, etc. Apparently, in the LDNR there is no accounting at all.
            First of all, the l / s that is free is spent. So it would be very strange if the losses of the relatively expensive Shoigov's were such a large percentage of the total.

            That's about the LDNR police, you are powerful now. Free l/s
            And according to information from there, it’s just the military of the Russian Federation that is often complete crap. Those who are used to "fighting" at training grounds and in reports, but when faced with a real enemy, were not up to par. Who draped there throwing the latest tanks? LDNR fighters? Or massively began to break contracts? 500s. Yes, in such quantities that the laws had to be urgently corrected.
            Did Shoigu take into account the losses of the same Russian Guard? Or modestly silent? About the same "Akhmatovites". Or is that alsothe l / s that is free.[b] [/ b].
            And by the way, there is accounting in the LDNR. They posted their losses on the LDNR website. It's just that our prop rubber products don't publish it. And then how to ruin a good picture. And the losses there in the fall were about 20 thousand. And if you add up 10 thousand of the RF Ministry of Defense + 20 thousand LDNR and + xs how many Russian Guards, then well, it doesn’t work out 1 to 8. After all, ours then talked about 100 thousand losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
            1. +3
              27 December 2022 14: 17
              Quote: Single-n
              After all, ours then talked about 100 thousand losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


              We didn't speak. And in reality, the loss of killed Ukrainian combatants (APU + military battalions + hiring) has long gone beyond 200 thousand rubles.
              1. +2
                27 December 2022 14: 21
                Quote: Illanatol
                We didn't speak. And in reality, the loss of killed Ukrainian combatants (APU + terrorist battalions + hiring) has long gone beyond 200 thousand

                )))
                The farther the worse.
                1. -3
                  28 December 2022 02: 09
                  - How many killed VSUshnikov?
                  - 50
                  - Let's write 500, why feel sorry for them!
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      2. +1
        27 December 2022 12: 21
        Yeah. And he announced a mobilization for 300 thousand. But the LDNR police reported the loss of ONLY their police about 20 thousand people. Talk not tossing bags. Only in my area in 200 private houses ALREADY 2 were killed. And I don't know this for everyone.
      3. 0
        28 December 2022 01: 49
        quite plausible, just 1: 10 part, because approximately 50-60 thousand personnel are involved in the front end
        1. +1
          28 December 2022 23: 22
          Quote from marathus
          because approximately 50-60 thousand personnel are involved in the front end

          If you count only MO - maybe plausible.
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    2. +1
      27 December 2022 09: 37
      do you have an option how to get a numerical superiority of 800 APU in a couple of months without ruining the country?
      1. -4
        27 December 2022 11: 37
        Quote: Barberry25
        how to get a numerical superiority of 800 APU in a couple of months without ruining the country?

        The total call of all personnel of the tax, FIU, OMS and other parasitic structures.
        To calculate pensions for old people, one server in the basement of the central bank and two admins are enough - there are data from passport offices ...
        The total conscription of all PSC sheep, with their replacement by pulling out people with a military past from their pensions. I understand that they are biased, but when at the enterprise the turner is limping from long-term injuries, and hefty goons are sitting at the entrance as security guards, something is wrong here. PSC sheep have already passed medical examinations, they are fully fit, many have a military past, accustomed to some kind of discipline. And a person of pre-retirement age is quite capable of sitting and checking passes.
        Well, the rest of the convicts in the penal battalions, and after them to call the Federal Penitentiary Service, as the colonies will be empty.
        1. +2
          27 December 2022 12: 39
          and without stupid sophistry? how can women of the FIU solve the problem, for example? You are not just biased, you are trying to write wild nonsense to cover up some of your inner pains
        2. +5
          27 December 2022 13: 40
          The total call of all personnel of the tax, FIU, OMS and other parasitic structures.

          Ho Hol what?
          Have you ever been to the FIU? There aunts over 50 are sitting, where are they going to the front?
          Yes, and in the tax women the absolute majority.
          OP sheep have already passed the medical examination, they are fully fit,

          And what is this nonsense? We don't have a private security company younger than 50 in our office.
        3. +1
          27 December 2022 14: 57
          Quote: eule
          The total call of all personnel of the tax, FIU, OMS and other parasitic structures.

          In the FIU and others, as you said, "parasitic structures" - 90% of employees are women. Why was your vysser?
        4. -4
          27 December 2022 15: 32
          Quote: eule
          Quote: Barberry25
          how to get a numerical superiority of 800 APU in a couple of months without ruining the country?

          The total call of all personnel of the tax, FIU, OMS and other parasitic structures.
          To calculate pensions for old people, one server in the basement of the central bank and two admins are enough - there are data from passport offices ...
          The total conscription of all PSC sheep, with their replacement by pulling out people with a military past from their pensions. I understand that they are biased, but when at the enterprise the turner is limping from long-term injuries, and hefty goons are sitting at the entrance as security guards, something is wrong here. PSC sheep have already passed medical examinations, they are fully fit, many have a military past, accustomed to some kind of discipline. And a person of pre-retirement age is quite capable of sitting and checking passes.
          Well, the rest of the convicts in the penal battalions, and after them to call the Federal Penitentiary Service, as the colonies will be empty.

          What are you talking about??? How can tax officials and others be mobilized?! These are untouchables!
    3. -2
      27 December 2022 13: 42
      Considering the population of NATO and the EU of about 1,5 billion people. And our undoubted success is 100-300 people per day. That .... Probably the APU will never end. But our guarantor will peck everything grain by grain
      1. +4
        27 December 2022 14: 58
        Quote: Single-n
        Given the population of NATO and the EU about 1,5 billion people.

        700 млн
        1. 0
          27 December 2022 15: 25
          Quote: Prometey
          700 млн

          Under a billion.
    4. +1
      27 December 2022 16: 27
      ... estimated the strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at 3 million people. But still ahead. When the Americans completely take over the ukrovermacht for maintenance, it will be so.

      They will not gain either 3 million or even one million. Whoever wanted to fight is already fighting or has fought back. Most likely, they will not be able to carry out total mobilization. It will not be good to fight someone who is “struck” by force: either he deserts or goes into captivity on his own initiative. Therefore, the main source of replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with combat-ready soldiers will be foreign states, mainly Poles and others like them.
    5. -2
      28 December 2022 02: 19
      In general, Ukraine was anti-Russian all the way to independence, just the farther, the fewer those who grew up under the USSR remained, and the more they grew up in Ukraine, with their nationalist fantasies. The fact that the war will be written also after 08.08.08/2004/1995, and after the Maidan 30, although I also remember some articles from XNUMX on this topic. Capitalism leads to nationalism, with subsequent conflict of the parties. So all this was clear for a long time. That did not prevent our capitalists from investing in the Ukrainian economy on a huge scale and sponsoring the Ukrainian regime with cheap gas. While the Ukrainian leadership closed Russian schools and pursued an anti-Russian policy. That is, Russia financed the enemy for XNUMX years.
  12. -5
    27 December 2022 07: 11
    Not a bad article. The end of the non-state Ukraine is near. Losses are simply monstrous ...
    1. +2
      27 December 2022 07: 31
      Quote: Michael0221
      The end of the non-state Ukraine is near. Losses are simply monstrous ...

      Will it survive the winter?
    2. +4
      27 December 2022 11: 26
      This "under-state" collapse has been predicted every day since 2014, but it still holds. So it's not all that bad for them.
  13. +9
    27 December 2022 07: 23
    The losses are considerable. Who else would voice ours. Moreover, taking into account the NM LDNR.
    1. 0
      27 December 2022 09: 49
      Under the conditions of the information war, our losses cannot be voiced in any way, and even classified for a certain post-war period.
      1. -2
        28 December 2022 02: 22
        Well, the enemy side does the same, but the author of the article presents this as evidence of monstrous losses. So why keep it secret? What would give the opportunity to speculate on this topic?
        1. -1
          18 January 2023 21: 34
          If the Russian public learns about the number of dead Russians, Putin may die murdered by an angry passerby...
          So it's a secret.
  14. +3
    27 December 2022 07: 52
    It's good that Ukrainians are not Palestinians where there are several children in families, as the number accumulates, Israel gets it. It will be easier for us, hohlandia is being developed, a couple of years of war and will calm down, unfortunately, we will also lose our youth ready to fight for our future.
    1. -3
      27 December 2022 11: 06
      the problem is that we have until the end of the 23rd year, by this time we need to break the Armed Forces of Ukraine as an organized force, otherwise the conflict will drag on for several years to come.
  15. +8
    27 December 2022 07: 53
    How to suck an article? Yes, very simple. Take, instead of the data of the medical administration or military registration and enlistment offices (or whatever their name is), two frostbitten propagandists on both sides, add up to a bunch of personalities who are also not responsible for their words, reason and leave a little riddle in the finale.
    No such data? Then, of course, it remains only to speculate. By the way, the author did not mention that the enemy is underestimating losses in order to save on payments to the families of the dead, and you need to carefully look at the statistics of the missing.
    1. +2
      27 December 2022 08: 41
      I agree with you .. and about the eastern front, I mentioned it twice for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as if they have a western one .. well .. it’s such propaganda ..
    2. -3
      27 December 2022 12: 24
      By the way, the author did not mention that the enemy is underestimating losses in order to save on payments to the families of the dead, and you need to carefully look at the statistics of the missing.

      If our media do not lie, then the number is known to be 35 thousand people.
      Yes, and our data should be approached the same way.
  16. +7
    27 December 2022 08: 06
    )))
    In the summer, they rushed about with the "American general", who lost as many as 200 Ukrainians. Now they pulled out this German chicken and the losses have halved.

    Hmm, the trend is good.
    1. -3
      28 December 2022 02: 27
      I remember Solovyov in 2015-2017 all the time talking about 50000 dead civilians in the Donbass, last year he was already talking about 10000. (which, of course, is also a terrible figure). Before the bombing of Yugoslavia, NATO talked about 100000 Kosovo Albanians killed by the Serbs, after the bombing they started talking about 10000, then about 4000, and then they stopped raising this topic altogether.
  17. +5
    27 December 2022 08: 08
    The fact remains that by the winter of 2022, the offensive potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was finally depleted, and this is a huge, if not the main, merit of the gunners.
    Auto sleep. Before the Kharkov "regrouping" it was believed that they lacked this very offensive potential in principle. And to brag about the abundance of projectiles produced in the era of high-precision weapons is ridiculous.
  18. +2
    27 December 2022 08: 17
    That's right, in the defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Zelensky, together with the West, is simply squeezing his own citizens into the meat grinder of the eastern front.
    If we are talking about such a squeezing of the population to the front, then the campaign to a radical change is still far away ...
  19. +3
    27 December 2022 08: 22
    . The Russian Federation can now afford to issue to 20 thousand shells per day, while the Ukrainian - no more than 5-6 thousand.

    A question of efficiency. Why, with such a global advantage, does the front line not change? Or rather, if it changes, it is not in our favor. Maybe they fire a small number of shells more accurately?
    1. -1
      27 December 2022 09: 40
      the question is that the infantry is advancing and not the artillerymen, We had 800-120 infantrymen for a conditional BTG of 200 people in the summer .. here's the answer for you .. What really the infantry was at most 50 on the LBS, which allowed the Armed Forces to create up to 000 times superiority, just the past wave of mobilization was aimed at solving this problem
      1. -3
        27 December 2022 13: 51
        Question. And why did it happen?
        1. States are not the same? What kind of genius came up with such a staff, and who are all these udots who introduced it?
        2. All the same losses? 500s including. But we were told about 5-6 thousand people.
        We have been told all summer that everything is fine, there are enough people and there is no need for mobilization. Strelkov fool and hysterical. And now you say this. If there were 120-200 infantry there, then THIS IS ENOUGH, according to the reports of the RF Ministry of Defense. And all attempts to justify these are either an accusation of cowardice / incompetence of the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense.
        Either...YOU are a CIPSist.
        Choose.
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  20. -3
    27 December 2022 08: 45
    "Pig-" is not a very rare population - especially with rabid Nazism.
    So that the entire world community will benefit from the "cleansing" of this biological debris!
    1. -2
      28 December 2022 02: 30
      When someone, somewhere, uses the phrase "biological debris", it immediately starts to stink of a fascist
  21. 0
    27 December 2022 09: 13
    "By order of the office of the Zelensky Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are mobilized without exception. At the same time, Galicians and residents of other western regions of the Nezalezhnaya are practically not affected by mobilization measures. ""https://news-front.info/2022/11/24/galichane-gromche-vseh- krichat-iedina-kraina-no-vedut-vojnu-rukami-russkojazychnyh-zhitelej-ukrainy/
    Western Ukraine, only 7% of those mobilized. Western Ukraine already hates Russia. But in order for Russian-speaking Ukraine to hate Russia, so they send Russians to be slaughtered. It is necessary to hit Western Ukraine the way they hit Donetsk!! I assume that Putin is saving the infrastructure of Western Ukraine for Poland and Hungary. Only Russians are subject to "utilization". Then we are tormented by the loyalty of the population to earn and restore the destroyed!
    1. -1
      27 December 2022 11: 31
      Wait, it's another MultiMovePoint (no)
  22. +3
    27 December 2022 09: 17
    If the same article is applied only not to Ukraine, but to Russia, the difference will not be big. Russia has huge resources and the elite does not see itself as a vassal, pursuing a conditionally independent policy, and nuclear weapons are a guarantee of inviolability. Otherwise, Russia has the same problems, especially with the emigration of the able-bodied population, a demographic hole when "women DO NOT give birth", and the economy is under stress and unprecedented international restrictions.
  23. -1
    27 December 2022 09: 32
    On the one hand, it is clear that the Sumerians of state employees will be driven to war, on the other hand, the Sumerian state employees can pull the cordon before they are driven. Are they the same doctors or teachers that they won’t find work in foreign countries both in the west and in the east, depending on their orientation? Although the smart ones have already left .... The "ideological" or "accustomed" ones remained. The first is not a pity, the second will apparently check the effect of the Darwin Prize
  24. +1
    27 December 2022 09: 50
    All this is true. If you do not take into account that mass death in the absence of war does not occur on its own, as with covid, but by the hands of quite certain people and neighbors.

    And in 10 years, will people proudly say - and here we are, and our sons, killed 500 thousand Russians (in terms of GDP) in Ukraine? And the State Department got orders, PR, a new arms race and the suppression of any sympathy for Putin from this. (Remember, they wrote how T-shirts with his photo were sold out well, burgers named after him, actors played him as a cool macho in the Show, Merkel and Andreeva gave flowers, etc.)
  25. -1
    27 December 2022 10: 46
    the Argumenty Nedeli newspaper reported that, according to volunteers who studied obituaries in the Ukrainian press, they counted 102 dead. To this should be added 35 thousand missing, according to the Ukrainian General Staff.
    For the wounded, the statistics can be very diverse. And it can be 1 to 1, or maybe 1 to 5, depending on the type of fire damage, the possibility of evacuation, medical support, etc. Moreover, if, as it is written in the article, unarmored vehicles are mainly used, then still the question is, after its defeat there will be more killed or wounded.
    1. -1
      27 December 2022 12: 19
      Quote: glory1974
      the Argumenty Nedeli newspaper reported that, according to volunteers who studied obituaries in the Ukrainian press, they counted 102 dead

      )))
      It's funny, but 102 thousand is the figure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now giving for enemy losses. The Arguments of the Week did not report anything like that as far as I can find, and even if they did, who were the "Arguments of the Week"?
  26. 0
    27 December 2022 11: 49
    "Writer" E. Fedorov, let's talk about our losses, where the data is also classified.
  27. +4
    27 December 2022 12: 14
    This is of course sad, but there were 900 fewer Russians in the Russian Federation and before the SVO per year.
    1. -1
      27 December 2022 14: 24
      And after the SVO, it became several million more.
      And in Ukraine, where the demography was also lame, it became millions less.
      1. -1
        28 December 2022 02: 34
        It became more due to the addition of new ones, and not due to an increase in the birth rate
  28. +1
    27 December 2022 12: 18
    Kukuev fanatics don’t care about depopulation, everything is simple for them, whoever is not with us is unworthy of living in their bright drug fantasies, they are such stubborn fanatics. They will say and say, well, like the wrong people got it.
    1. 0
      27 December 2022 12: 39
      Quote: evgen1221
      Kukuev fanatics don’t care about depopulation, everything is simple for them, whoever is not with us is unworthy of living in their bright drug fantasies, they are such stubborn fanatics. They will say and say, well, like the wrong people got it.

      Moreover, they themselves are not going to live in Ukraine.
    2. -3
      28 December 2022 02: 35
      And we don't have many! Read the comments at least here, "whoever is not with us is for minced meat, etc."
  29. +1
    27 December 2022 12: 38
    I think 100 is an underestimate.
    Earlier, the US military voiced the figure of 400 irretrievable losses.
    One hundred thousand is more likely just killed.
    And there are also crippled, missing and deserters, in which the dead were also recorded.
    With a million mobilized, one hundred thousand losses, of course, a lot, but in this case it is hardly possible to speak of a catastrophic shortage of drugs.
    Especially with 10-15 thousand as a lie in Kyiv.
    So the figure of one hundred thousand is also underestimated. Otherwise, why is it already the ninth wave and they are sweeping everyone in a row.
    So the figure of 400 thousand is closer to the truth.
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    1. -3
      28 December 2022 02: 37
      Yes, here for some SVOs, something like a football match, and the numbers are not human lives, but the points are indicators of "we are cooler !!!".
  31. -3
    27 December 2022 13: 37
    Zelensky is walking and his hands are in the intestines, in Ukraine they say - hands are in Chisinau. With him, his army with hands in Chisinau.
  32. -2
    27 December 2022 13: 41
    While the fact remains that all these forecasts are like a pitchfork on the water, there are already many forecasts that everything will be all right by winter, the EU, Ukraine will freeze and the like. Let's be realistic, despite the losses, the enemy is still alive. And read the Ukrainian press, it’s just that even the headlines there are the same as what we write about them, only they write it about our army.
    1. -4
      28 December 2022 02: 47
      Exactly! Propaganda departments work as if according to one training manual. At the very beginning of the SVO, Konstantin Semin had a video on YouTube about the war in Yugoslavia, so there an example was even shown from Croatian and Serbian TV, the presenters generally speak the same text, replacing only Serbs with Croats, and Croats with Serbs!
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  34. +4
    27 December 2022 14: 18
    Quote: Single-n
    Yeah. And he announced the mobilization of 300 thousand people.


    And how many have been called up to the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the conflict? Especially if you count with terbats (which did not exist before).
  35. +3
    27 December 2022 14: 22
    Quote: Dmitry Smetanin
    Only the jingoistic patriots do not understand that our losses are not much less than the Ukrainians. The surrender of territories with incidental mobilization, as it were, hints.


    Strongly less. Mobilization was needed, since the enemy increased its numbers many times over. The surrender of territories was carried out in order to minimize losses.
  36. 0
    27 December 2022 14: 27
    Quote: Max1995
    And in 10 years, will people proudly say - and here we are, and our sons, killed 500 thousand Russians (in terms of GDP) in Ukraine? And the State Department got orders, PR, a new arms race and the suppression of any sympathy for Putin from this. (Remember, they wrote how T-shirts with his photo were sold out well, burgers named after him, actors played him as a cool macho in the Show, Merkel and Andreeva gave flowers, etc.)


    They killed 500 thousand Natsiks and traitors - they are dear to them.
    And what will Europe have? Also, after all, part of the "collective West" and NATO.
    And the popularity of Putin abroad - do not give a damn and grind. Proku with this popularity.
    1. 0
      27 December 2022 15: 05
      Quote: Illanatol
      Killed 500 thousand Nazis and traitors

      Nazis and traitors, of course, are also killed, but not in those quantities. The bulk of the dead - "meat". There is nothing good about that, of course. But this is inevitable as one of the results of the destruction of the USSR. The Russian Federation and the CSTO are already beginning to "pump" them. If they succeed, then there will be a real depopulation. To avoid this, you need the USSR-2. And fast. Yes, that's just the question: what to do with this "elite", the owners of newspapers, factories, ships and inland waters? Where to get the device? There are no people.
      1. +2
        27 December 2022 15: 44
        All wars on the territory of the former USSR are the result of the capture of the USSR by its enemies, and the fact that they hate not only the Soviet people, but also each other.
        1. -2
          27 December 2022 16: 38
          This is the fault of the leadership of the CPSU, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Army. They destroyed a great country. Sami.
          1. +3
            27 December 2022 19: 05
            Quote: Zaurbek
            This is the fault of the leadership of the CPSU, the KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Army. They destroyed a great country. Sami.

            I would exclude the army from this list.
            The task of the army is to prevent external aggression.
            And no foreign army attacked us.
            The country fell apart due to internal betrayal.
          2. -3
            28 December 2022 02: 53
            The fact that the communists themselves ruined a great country is liked to be told by those who made the most of the collapse. Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Putin, like many others, were in the CPSU, but were they communists at the same time? No. How can Gorbachev be a communist if, according to him, his main goal in life was the fight against communism. Yes, he is the same communist as Stirlitz is a fascist.
            1. -1
              28 December 2022 10: 27
              The system gave rise to and led to power - Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... The 80s deliberately rocked the country, some medinational conflicts are worth something! There were no resources to tighten the screws on the Nazis - there were! But they didn't. We needed reforms of the Communist Party and the Economy in the USSR - we need them! They did it - they didn't! Could the army make a coup with the displacement of the leaders (and the KGB) according to the law, could (could)!
              1. -1
                18 January 2023 21: 42
                Gorbachev was innovative, he proposed the integration of Russia into NATO...
            2. +1
              28 December 2022 23: 24
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              Yes, he is the same communist as Stirlitz is a fascist.

              What interesting people became members of the Politburo and General Secretaries of the Central Committee. Wow, how did this communism of yours get them.
      2. -3
        28 December 2022 02: 50
        The Bolsheviks, like that, solved this problem, despite the fact that at that time there was practically no literate population. Yes, at first it was not very good, but then the grown-up shots appeared, and it began to improve.
  37. -1
    27 December 2022 14: 59
    Ukraine - FSE! What country is "depopulation" going on?
  38. -1
    27 December 2022 16: 06
    It's certainly wonderful to count the perished dill. But there is a rhetorical question. And when will we think about our male population and gene pool? I will only remind you of the main milestones, where the score went to tens of thousands: the First World War, the Second World War, Afghanistan, 1 and 2 Chechens (these are our people on both sides), Ukraine. I am modestly silent about all sorts of minor skirmishes and conflicts. Maybe we’ll think about ourselves or along the path of the “great commander” - women still give birth.
    1. +2
      27 December 2022 19: 02
      Quote: Vladimir-78
      It's certainly wonderful to count the perished dill. But there is a rhetorical question. And when will we think about our male population and gene pool? I will only remind you of the main milestones, where the score went to tens of thousands: the First World War, the Second World War, Afghanistan, 1 and 2 Chechens (these are our people on both sides), Ukraine. I am modestly silent about all sorts of minor skirmishes and conflicts. Maybe we’ll think about ourselves or along the path of the “great commander” - women still give birth.

      What "great commander" are we talking about? Zhukov did not say this, Stalin did not say this, so who are we talking about?
      1. 0
        27 December 2022 19: 39
        The phrase is attributed by many to Zhukov. Yes, and I have one witness (my grandfather), who managed to tell me something.
        Maybe one of those who have already downvoted or is going to do this will answer one question that was voiced by a friend of my daughter (generation 20-25 years old). And from whom to give birth then? Normal and healthy (head and body) can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
        1. +3
          27 December 2022 20: 43
          Quote: Vladimir-78
          The phrase is attributed by many to Zhukov. Yes, and I have one witness (my grandfather), who managed to tell me something.
          Maybe one of those who have already downvoted or is going to do this will answer one question that was voiced by a friend of my daughter (generation 20-25 years old). And from whom to give birth then? Normal and healthy (head and body) can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

          That's exactly what is "attributed" by all sorts of crooks liberals.
          Or illiterate or on purpose.
          In fact, Field Marshal Sheremetev allegedly said this to Peter the Great after the defeat of the Narva clan, when Peter complained about the heavy losses.
          So when you say anything, you have to be careful.
          To the question of your daughter from whom to give birth, there has long been an answer.
          Not there the girls are looking for husbands. My two daughters married wonderful guys. And the hands grow from where it is necessary and with the head in order.
          Two grandchildren and hope to have more.
          Not in nightclubs, you need to look for husbands and not handsome iachos, but a life partner, protector and father of their future children.
          And believe me, they are and not necessarily the children of officials or rich Pinocchio.
          1. +1
            28 December 2022 01: 22
            And believe me, they are and not necessarily the children of officials or rich Pinocchio.
            As it is not necessary, it is very necessary. Well, they don’t get married in order to work later, God forbid. The maximum that they are ready for is to give birth to one child, and then to live happily ever after without doing anything, but at the same time, what would everything be, and an apartment and a car and vacation 2 times a year on foreign beaches .. Yazhemat, everything is now for me must on the coffin of life.
    2. 0
      2 January 2023 17: 28
      And how do you propose to think? Tighten our paws and crawl to the west and pray that they will leave us at the level of 20-30 million, as Margaret bequeathed?
  39. +1
    27 December 2022 16: 17
    Are there new Ukrainian billionaires in the photo?
    Playing pocket billiards.
  40. -3
    27 December 2022 16: 37
    And the year has not yet ended NWO ... two more months. there will be 150-160000 dead there. Another year -300? This is a lot even for the Russian Federation.
  41. +1
    27 December 2022 18: 28
    This is the plan of the West and consists in reducing the population due to the fact that the Russians themselves are destroying the Russians.
    In fact, it is wrong to correlate the losses of troops with the number of population. History knows protracted wars waged by much smaller nations (the Palestinians, the inhabitants of Irian, the peoples of Myanmar, etc.).
    Here, either Russia will win due to the defeat of not only the Ukrainian troops, but also the Ukrainian authorities, and the suppression of supply chains.
    Or the war will drag on for many years if they are "thrown in" from there (at least weapons, at least soldiers - it doesn't matter which ones: Ukrainian Canadians, Poles, Albanians, Wahhabis, drug mafia, etc.), and "grind" from here. Existing resources are enough for decades of such a war
  42. 0
    27 December 2022 19: 15
    When the real numbers of losses are found out in Ukraine, the Ukrainians will be horrified!



    1. -2
      27 December 2022 20: 32
      This is closer to the truth. Then the total mobilization becomes clear.
      1. +1
        27 December 2022 21: 09
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        This is closer to the truth. Then the total mobilization becomes clear.

        You suckers-cipsoshniki, you are trying in vain with your minuses, you can’t refute the facts, you are not only disposed of, but also used for organs and used as guinea pigs in American biolaboratories.
        You yourself have come to such a shame, you yourself have chosen it.
      2. 0
        27 December 2022 21: 28
        All "heroes" of Ukraine will go to visit Bandera. He had been waiting for them there for a long time.
  43. -1
    27 December 2022 19: 31
    "...by the summer of 2023, Zelensky promised to visit Crimea." I hope the Russian Armed Forces will take him to the Crimea to sign the surrender.
  44. -3
    27 December 2022 21: 09
    If we compare, it is easy to notice the amazing semantic similarity and "reliability" of information about the losses of the authors-propagandists of both sides, as well as the content of the comments ...
  45. -1
    27 December 2022 22: 41
    I did not find a single conclusion based on at least some facts in the article.
    With the support of Western Ukraine, he can fight indefinitely. Moreover, the sending of volunteers from among the same Poles takes place right before our eyes.
    Well, the technique when let's have more enemies than ours and not ours passed during the First World War near Verdun. I'm sure everyone remembers how it ended then.
  46. 0
    27 December 2022 23: 13
    For adherents of the "grinding strategy".

    If initially the NWO were carried out correctly and cut off along the Dnieper (not counting Kherson), then in a matter of months it would be possible to take all control over the Left-Bank Ukraine and even the South (Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson) with the official population before the start of the NWO at the level of 15-20 million , if we start from the official population of 41 million. In reality, it is much less, since there has not been a census since 2001 and millions of Ukrainians have left for Europe and Russia.
    - The Kyiv regime could not mobilize 700 thousand people.
    - hundreds of thousands of people would not have been mobilized in the territories of the South-East and the Left Bank of Ukraine.
    - This territory (the lion's share of Ukrainian industry, not counting Kyiv) would not work for the Kyiv regime.
    - 15-19 million people would remain under the control of the Kyiv regime - this is official. The actual number would be much less.
    - it would be much easier to grind the grouping in the Donbass without constant supplies, and it would be blown away in 2-3 months by the beginning or middle of summer.
    - there would be no need to spend missiles and drones on industrial and infrastructure facilities in the South and Left Bank of Ukraine. The main capacities of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex before the war were the Dnieper, Kharkiv, and Zaporozhye. This means that attacks on the territory and infrastructure remaining under the control of Kyiv would be more accentuated.
    - The Kyiv regime would not receive billions of dollars every month from the export of agricultural products through the Odessa ports.
    - millions of residents of the South and the Left Bank would be cut off from the constant Nazi propaganda of the Kyiv regime.
    - hundreds of thousands or even millions of children went to school and would study according to normal textbooks, physics, mathematics, biology, etc., and would not absorb hatred for the Russians and Russophobia.

    This is an incomplete list of pluses, but it makes it clear that the strategy of grinding is not from a good life, but from miscalculations at the top at the very beginning of the SVO and unwillingness to fight for real, when they constantly felt sorry for the inhabitants of Ukraine and even the Armed Forces of Ukraine and did not mobilize until the end of September.

    Undoubtedly, with an advantage in artillery and aviation, grinding works. But it would be much better if we had enough money and numbers to completely cut off the supply of the Donetsk and Kharkov groups by creating large boilers and letting them boil for 2-3 months, until fuel and lubricants and shells run out.
  47. +1
    28 December 2022 02: 21
    Everything is clear, the war ..... the war against the now newly formed Ukrainian fascism, one can say fake, because. according to the idea, most of the Ukrainians are Russians, with their heads completely clogged and the barbarians from Geyropa, Anglo-Saxia and the USA succumbed to the convictions ........ but there is one "but", we stand up for how much we banged our brothers, friends , fathers, etc., maybe you shouldn’t react to these events like that, the people are the same idea, and someday we will have to rake all this "ha ..... o" together, and those who pitted us, they will quietly rotate their thumbs in their palms, and it’s a sin to count those killed with malevolence, but are we different from these ghouls, or not? By chance, I talked with a man from Odessa (he is an electrician on a ship under a contract), and so he said that in Ukraine the population is kept in fear, you can’t say anything at all, the SBU immediately arrives, and if you ran into servicemen somewhere, then there and they don’t ask, they just shoot, such morals there.
  48. -1
    28 December 2022 03: 01
    The most optimistic estimates of the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at ~300 thousand (taken, however, from the ceiling) do not allow us to assert that they are critical for Ukraine. This is about 1℅ of the population.
    The USSR, for example, in the first year of the Second World War lost twice as much as a percentage, which did not lead to the collapse of the front and surrender. Moreover, the logistics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are intact, they are returning territories. The idea of ​​"grinding" is good for jingoism, not for victory. The unwillingness to localize the theater of operations, by destroying the enemy's supply, suggests that the leadership of the Russian Federation is not going to "start" and is not going to.
  49. -1
    28 December 2022 03: 43
    The more Khryukai pigs die, the better and cleaner the future of the whole world will be.
  50. 0
    28 December 2022 05: 26
    Today, this “de” needs to be shoved everywhere? I just can't get over the title.

    Population - a set of organisms of the same species, living in the same territory for a long time (occupying a certain area) and partially or completely isolated from individuals of other similar groups.

    That is, with the prefix will be
    DEpopulation - DE is a set of organisms of the same species that live in the same territory for a long time (occupying a certain area) and are partially or completely DEisolated from individuals of other similar groups?

    "...some kind of counter-revolution..."
  51. +1
    28 December 2022 08: 45
    Quote: certero
    With the support of Western Ukraine, he can fight indefinitely. Moreover, the sending of volunteers from among the same Poles takes place right before our eyes.
    Well, the technique when let's have more enemies than ours and not ours passed during the First World War near Verdun. I'm sure everyone remembers how it ended then.


    No, he can not. Western Ukrainians, in fact, prefer to fight the “orcs” in the rear and do not particularly strive to go to the front.
    The Poles... are cheerful until the corpses start pouring in en masse.
    In WWII, the side that had the greater demographic potential won.
  52. +1
    28 December 2022 08: 59
    Quote from: ratoborets

    If initially the NWO were carried out correctly and cut off along the Dnieper (not counting Kherson), then in a matter of months it would be possible to take all control over the Left-Bank Ukraine and even the South (Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson) with the official population before the start of the NWO at the level of 15-20 million , if we start from the official population of 41 million. In reality, it is much less, since there has not been a census since 2001 and millions of Ukrainians have left for Europe and Russia.
    - The Kyiv regime could not mobilize 700 thousand people.


    Once again for those in the tank.
    The strategy of grinding to achieve real denazification does not imply achieving a quick victory, but the most complete destruction of the carriers of Nazi ideology.
    The only legitimate way to destroy such a huge mass of people is military action. Therefore, in order for the Nazis to be destroyed in this way, they must first be provided with the opportunity to get into the combat zone, because only there can they be destroyed.
    Therefore, the destruction of infrastructure, which would interfere with the mobilization and dispatch of reinforcements to the WBS, would be wrong. Yes, from a purely military point of view, this would make the work of our army easier, but in the future it would create more problems with the disposal of “human material” infected with Nazi ideology. What then to do with these shortcomings? Just shoot? Alas, this is not very realistic in modern conditions.

    AND THE ONLY REAL WAY OF DENAZIFICATION IS THE PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION OF THE CARRIERS OF THE NAZI IDEOLOGY! OTHER WAYS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE!

    It must be taken into account that Banderaism has taken root in both the East and South of Ukraine. It was from there that the maximum number of volunteers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine came from, and it was there that the volunteer battalions were organized. The rapid inclusion of these regions in the zone of control of the Russian Federation would create conditions for unleashing a guerrilla war in the rear of our troops.
    We need separation, the possibility of dividing the local population according to the degree of loyalty to Russia. How, in fact, happened in Kherson. 120 thousand left with our army, 50 thousand chose to wait for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    1. -1
      28 December 2022 09: 13
      It must be taken into account that Banderaism has taken root in both the East and South of Ukraine.

      I don't agree. There is more selfish interest among young people...we are about to join the EU and live a boho life....
      Two miners from Donbass worked for me, periodically they “suffered” from money scammers, they were very hungry for pennies, just like “true” Ukrainians with an exorbitant thirst for freebies.
    2. Msi
      +2
      28 December 2022 15: 40
      AND THE ONLY REAL WAY OF DENAZIFICATION IS THE PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION OF THE CARRIERS OF THE NAZI IDEOLOGY! OTHER WAYS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE!

      Great comment. Bravo. Deep. Write more often You are missed on the front of the information war. hi
    3. +1
      29 December 2022 19: 55
      It's all blue blur. It is necessary long ago to form special forces groups from the people's militias of Donbass, train them properly, and send them under the guise of refugees to Kyiv. Weapons can be sent separately in any way. And then in Kyiv, organize a little St. Bartholomew’s night, deal with Zelensky and Budanov, and with Kuleba and Poroshenko. Well, then the Airborne Forces land on the prepared bridgehead and everything according to the proven scheme. Bandera's men are scurrying in different directions like rats. And you are all a special operation, negotiations. Everyone would have forgotten about this a long time ago.
    4. -1
      18 January 2023 21: 51
      If you go to war to denazify a country that has no more Nazis than you have at home, you will search in vain for the enemy and find yourself running out of fuel.

      https://www.20min.ch/fr/video/a-sec-le-pilote-d-un-char-russe-se-fait-chambrer-par-un-ukrainien-902470115714
  53. +4
    28 December 2022 09: 04
    Quote: iouris
    Nazis and traitors, of course, are also killed, but not in the same numbers. The bulk of those killed were “meat.” There is nothing good about this, of course.


    Was it different in WWII? Most of the Wehrmacht soldiers were also “meat”.
    In fact, this is someone else's "meat". And this “meat” is also to blame for the current situation. Because it is precisely thanks to the apathy and indifference of ordinary people that the “flowers of evil” of Nazi ideology begin to grow.
    They fully deserved such a fate.
    Just like we, at one time, deserved the “Chechen wars”.
  54. +1
    28 December 2022 11: 22
    Quote: Civil
    The 3rd Reich expired only when the Austrian artist shot himself and the Red Army took Berlin. And not when he ran out of soldiers.

    No.
    It didn't end. Europe has always been Nazi and remains so.
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    2. +1
      29 December 2022 09: 31
      Quote from Deon59
      And the losses of our army do not lead to depopulation of the country's population.


      They do, of course. But on a smaller scale.
      Over the same period of time, we lost more people in road accidents. Painful, but not fatal.
      What do you want? The berries have ripened from those flowers that were planted during Perestroika.
      The fact that the West signed up for Ukraine in such a way and provides it with such volumes of assistance doesn’t make you think? Moreover, the training of the NATO Armed Forces began even before February 24, as well as the deployment of its bases.
      Ukraine was really being prepared for the coming war with the Russian Federation - that’s why it is so supported and that’s why the leaders of the United States and NATO are so embittered. For once, the Russians launched a pre-emptive strike.
      They were not allowed to completely transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Western standards and place their bases with tactical aviation and air defense (similar to the Baltic countries).
      What we have is far from the worst option for the Russian Federation. Things could have been much worse.
      1. 0
        29 December 2022 22: 55
        Quote: Illanatol
        For once, the Russians launched a pre-emptive strike.
        They were not allowed to completely transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Western standards and place their bases with tactical aviation and air defense (similar to the Baltic countries).
        What we have is far from the worst option for the Russian Federation. Things could have been much worse.

        I like your comments. Although they are tough, they are concrete - I myself think along the same lines!
        You have advantages everywhere.
        1. 0
          20 January 2023 15: 58
          The main problem is that the Russians struck the Russians and the Russians are dying. The civil war greatly damaged the gene pool, and then the winners repressed the vanquished for a long time.
  56. +1
    29 December 2022 09: 04
    Of course, one can debate how much of the population remains in Ukraine, but the fact is that 100 thousand died. these are underestimates. Von der Lein’s report refers to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and does not take into account other paramilitary structures: territorial defense, national battalions, border troops, their flawed Navy, and other security forces. In addition, the Ukrainians themselves gave the figure of 100 thousand, deliberately underestimating it. It seems to me that the real death toll is about 500 thousand. And how many are disabled? Million? It is clear that these “brotherly” people no longer love us. This means that why would Russia liberate all of Ukraine by sacrificing our guys in order to receive in gratitude an embittered population that would shoot us in the back.
  57. +1
    29 December 2022 11: 41
    Russia's losses are two or more times less than the losses of the Reichskommissariat, and the population is five times (at least) greater.
    Most of the so-called “civilian” losses of the Reichskommissariat are the police and all the weapons of the formation that are not part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. 0
      20 January 2023 16: 00
      Officially, 10 million soldiers from the USSR and 5 million from Germany died. And 17 million civilians in the USSR and 5 million in Germany.....it should be noted that among our prisoners there was a poor survival rate.
  58. 0
    29 December 2022 19: 41
    For every killed Ukrainian Armed Forces fighter, Biden paid Zelensky. Vovik is little concerned about the deaths of thousands of his fellow citizens. We need to more actively encourage the guys from the Ukrainian Armed Forces to surrender if there is no blood on them. The morale in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is very low, the majority of fighters from the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to fight, to die mediocrely for Bandera’s supporters!!!!
  59. 0
    29 December 2022 20: 15
    It is necessary long ago to form special forces groups from the people's militias of Donbass, train them properly, and send them under the guise of refugees to Kyiv. Weapons can be sent separately in any way. And then in Kyiv, organize a little St. Bartholomew’s night, deal with Zelensky and Budanov, and with Kuleba and Poroshenko. Well, then the Airborne Forces land on the prepared bridgehead and everything according to the proven scheme. Bandera's men are scurrying in different directions like rats. And you are all a special operation, negotiations. Everyone would have forgotten about this a long time ago.
  60. 0
    29 December 2022 23: 32
    Quote: Zakirov Damir
    Quote: bayard
    Very qualified calculation, Zamir. But I think that it is necessary to take into account the fact that until the middle of summer the length of the fronts was much greater than now. In the first months, aviation was used much more actively, both bomber, and assault and army (helicopters). The very nature of the database was much more dynamic, and the losses of the enemy then (200) were estimated from 600 to 1000 people. per day . Without taking into account the sanitary and those who died from wounds .. There were more frequent strikes on the barracks and places of deployment of the enemy, more effective strikes on places of concentration, on marching columns, places of unloading. Therefore, I think that the total losses for the entire period of the enemy are higher. I think that about 1,5 times the figure calculated by you.

    I agree with you and see the reason in the following.
    Firstly, the first four months are characterized by a large number of destroyed vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, trucks, aviation, helicopters and air defense systems. And behind each piece of equipment is a dead crew or crew, and in the case of infantry fighting vehicles and trucks, entire squads of dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Therefore, those killed in March-June (4 months), based on the data of Zaluzhny, are 72 military personnel, and in July-December (640 months), another 6 - 150 ~ 000.
    That is, the losses under the article "killed" (those who died on the line of contact, in the rear and those who died in hospitals) are comparable, but the periods differ by as much as one and a half times. This confirms your assertion that the losses were higher in the beginning. At least up to 600 people per day only under the article "killed" for the first 4 months.

    Secondly, are the losses of terrorist defense and mercenaries included in the data I calculated? This is the same dark forest as the losses of the Volkssturm during the Second World War. The forger Müller-Hillebrand, and this is a fundamental work, they do not pass at all and only the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS troops are taken into account.

    There were days in October when the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction reached several thousand per day. There is a Bakhmut meat grinder, where the sanitary losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are very high and many 300s become 200s due to the impossibility of providing medical care. There were also periods of calm when the losses of both sides were minimal. I think your calculation of the average temperature in the hospital is close to the real one. The only thing is that the nature of the war has changed somewhat and is it appropriate to use WWII coefficients? Nowadays, almost everyone wears armor and travels under the cover of armor. It seems to me (based on the assessments of the participants of the Northern Military District and, from their words, the ratio of those killed and wounded in our country), the number of 300, or rather their ratio to the dead, is higher.
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  62. 0
    30 December 2022 14: 02
    Quote: Beregovyhok_1
    The only thing is that the nature of the war has changed somewhat and is it appropriate to use WWII coefficients? Nowadays, almost everyone wears armor and travels under the cover of armor. It seems to me (based on the assessments of the participants of the Northern Military District and, from their words, the ratio of those killed and wounded in our country), the number of 300, or rather their ratio to the dead, is higher


    Yes, on the one hand it is. But military field medicine has also stepped far forward. During the Second World War, by the way, things weren’t going well for the Germans even with penicillin. And now the NATO Armed Forces are supplied with good first aid kits.
    As for armor - in fact, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have problems with this. That’s why bander mobiles, and homemade ones, are used en masse. While we did not have a full-fledged (according to PU standards) front, it worked. And against a properly organized defense, the tactics of such mobile groups only lead to large losses... "carts" are of little use in such a situation.
  63. 0
    30 December 2022 14: 11
    Quote: Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev
    . Bandera's men are scurrying in different directions like rats.


    Let's say it works. What's next? Are we going to catch these rats in the forests? What then? Shall we judge?
    Can our judicial system cope with such a volume of work? Won't you choke? OK. What are the sentences? Our moratorium on the death penalty has not been lifted. Let's say they cancel it. How many “exceptional measures” will there be? 1000? 10000? But you need at least 500. Realistically, what do you think in the current “sovereign democracy”? A bit much even for the Stalinist USSR, however.
    Are we going to jail? Already imprisoned... after the Second World War. Did it help fix it? Please note that the contingent in correctional institutions can be a fertile environment for Nazi propaganda. Let's imprison one Nazi, and 2 or 3 will come out. How do you like this situation?
    We are only at the beginning of a very long journey. Unfortunately, this story will not end with the capture of Kyiv.
  64. 0
    2 January 2023 14: 16
    Representatives of the Slavs are killed here. I don’t know how to populate Ukraine, I hope not with Arabs or blacks. It is necessary to offer Ukrainians peaceful conditions, a better life, but the war can still be won.
  65. 0
    4 January 2023 10: 20
    The rabid propaganda is also our fault. The retreat from Kherson and Kyiv had to be presented as a gesture of goodwill at every corner. And we left silently, which the drug dealer immediately took advantage of. It was they who recaptured Kyiv and Kherson and that’s why they have such fame in the West
    1. -1
      18 January 2023 21: 57
      Communication is more important than action, and Russia has 1950s communication.
      It was necessary to choose a young president, not a 70-year-old man with old ideas in his head.
      Ukraine has very modern communication, moreover, with a young president who is in harmony with the militant youth.

      I am sure that when Putin talks to a young Russian soldier, a banal question sounds in the young man’s head: “What did my grandfather tell me?”
  66. +1
    4 January 2023 13: 30
    Unfortunately, the mobilization is carried out mainly with the mobilization contingent of the Left Bank and the South of the country 404. The conscript contingents of the Zapadenschina are carefully guarded, protecting, so to speak, the gene pool of the “true Aryans”.
    It was the USSR, with its well-functioning propaganda apparatus, that managed to cleanse consciousness in East Germany, as a result of which there was no trace of any revanchist sentiments, such as, I must avenge my father who was killed by the Russians.
    But the modern Russian Federation, with its wretched propaganda and the dominance of the liberal lobby in the media, will not be able to carry out anything like this. And the mood: it was the Russians who deprived me of my father, brother, son - they will bloom magnificently, cultivating those who will hate us for personal reasons.
    Therefore, dancing with tambourines, they say, the more personnel of the Ukrainian-Wehrmacht you destroyed, the better, they will give a very bad belch. Because the rabid Ukrainian-Nazis from Zapadenschina are protected by the comedian-hetman regime, and the mobilization of the mobilized Left Bank and South Ukrainian-Reich leads to an increase in negativity among their relatives.
  67. 0
    10 January 2023 15: 18
    The main question is when will losses in Ukraine’s manpower reach critical limits, after which there can be no talk of any resistance?


    In my opinion there is no point in hoping for this.
    Iraq, 24 million strong, fought for 8 years with Iran, 81 million strong. The losses stopped.
    And the war only contributed to the strengthening of the regimes in both Iraq and Iran.
  68. 0
    20 January 2023 15: 56
    If the wounds are mainly from artillery, then there will not be 1:3-4-5. The shells produce finger-sized fragments. Tears off hands, arms and legs. I don't think the survival rate will be high. 300 will immediately tend to 200