A new batch of Penicillin complexes will increase the effectiveness of the counter-battery fight of Russian troops

Against the backdrop of more frequent reports that the army “mainly fights on old equipment”, literally daily data is published on the supply of modern weapons to the troops, and often precisely in those units and formations that perform combat missions in the special military operation zone.

Among other things, another new batch of Penicillin systems delivered to the Russian Armed Forces. 1B75 (76) Penicillin - automated sound-thermal complex artillery reconnaissance, allowing to track the flight paths of ammunition and identify the exact coordinates of the places from which these ammunition were fired by the enemy. Accordingly, artillery, although not only artillery, can quickly work on these places.

"Penicillin", developed by the Research Institute "Vector", is an effective domestic means of counter-battery combat. Its main difference from the Western AN / TPQ-36 (and the difference for the better) is that Penicillin does not use radio waves, which allows the complex to remain invisible - to enemy radars.

The delivery of a new batch of such sound-thermal reconnaissance systems is reported by RIA News citing an informed source. For obvious reasons, data on which units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation this party is distributed among are not disclosed. But it is quite clear that the complexes from this batch will increase the effectiveness of counter-battery combat in the zone of the special military operation of the Russian troops. it weapon, named as a well-known antibiotic, is able to increase the level of combat work of a number of artillery units of the RF Armed Forces to destroy the deadly "microflora" of the enemy, including in the West Donetsk direction.

Comments

[Leader_Barmaleev]

Incredible technique, both in principle of operation and in efficiency. And most importantly - he really has no analogues. Now, if only it didn’t happen that the data from the “penicillin” would go to the headquarters, there they would be coordinated for a day or two, and then the artillery would receive “accurate” target designation. I hope that artillery and scouts will work in one bundle without the participation of coordinators! Good luck guys!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

there a day or two are agreed upon and then the artillery will receive the "accurate"

why are you talking about the military??

[Leader_Barmaleev]

why are you talking about the military??

Well, firstly, it was ALMOST sarcasm - junior commanders, unfortunately, are put in such a framework that for an independent decision you will either receive a medal, or in the head - a ratio of 1:100. Therefore, the decision-making is delegated to the "giraffe" - he is big, he knows better. Well, and secondly, this is a disease of the entire Russian administrative system - in medicine, the police and even in production - everything is the same. It’s just that agreements in the world are insulting and stupid, but not fatal, but in war it’s very deadly, although no less offensive and stupid. Even ten minutes for approval is a criminally long time.

[Aerodrome]

Yes, I would like the communication to be shorter, at the company level. So that the reaction is instantaneous. And the same with front-line aviation.

[Argon]

It is necessary to coordinate in view of the frequent "friendly" shelling. Here is a double-edged sword, but penicillin already gives information online and clearly gives goals about the enemy.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

that for an independent decision you will either receive a medal, or in the head - a ratio of 1:100.

is it for you personally at the front as you describe?

[Leader_Barmaleev]

is it for you personally at the front as you describe?

We recall what is written in any charter between the lines - the initiative is punishable, the initiative has an initiator, who leaned out and answered. For you, this area of ​​reality was beyond your personal vision of the world? And these phrases are more than one hundred years old ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

We recall what is written in any charter between the lines - the initiative is punishable, the initiative has an initiator, who leaned out and answered. For you, this area of ​​reality was beyond your personal vision of the world? And these phrases are more than one hundred years old ...

Is it customary for you to answer a question with a question, or are you just trolling here?

[Sergeich]

Interestingly, I was the only one who remembered from the "Combat Charter of the Ground Forces" that my actions, as a commander, should be "daring"?

[An K-s]

So this military-staff bureaucracy was already thrashed by General A.V. Suvorov. It is necessary to send a messenger to the headquarters, then wait for an answer, and after that to carry out a maneuver according to the order. When speed and pressure were simply needed.

[78bor1973]

The very principle of this system is instant information from the senior officer on the battery, otherwise there is no point in it!

[APASUS]

In 18, the last tests of this technique were passed, and it has begun to arrive now. What were they thinking about, what were they going to fight with up to this point, with a checker?

[Johnson Smithson]

in 2020 has already begun to arrive, now the next batch

[Nikolaevich I]

"Penicillin" is, of course, good! But "germs" mutate quickly ... new "strains" appear! It's time to develop "Tetracycline"!

[Aerodrome]

will it work?Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
OK

[Arkady007]

So give this Penicillin to control production to Medvedev, even though it will be useful.

[solar]

Its main difference from the Western AN / TPQ-36

First of all, in size, which in the frontline is often important in the days of drones.

And also the fact that the western AN / TPQ-36 is a really working and long-proven complex.
And Penicillin has been supplied to the troops since 2020, and information about the real effectiveness of such a specific complex should already be available, but something has not yet been heard. No matter how it turned out, as with electronic warfare, expectations from the use before the war turned out to be greatly overestimated. Probably, before writing commendable reviews, it is worth making sure that the complex performed well in a combat situation.

[lopvlad]

Quote from solar

First of all, in size, which in the frontline is often important in the days of drones.

the only important and overwhelming value on the modern battlefield is the radiation emanating from the complex during operation + its mobility. By the way, for this reason, those very large ones, Himarsy, are a rather difficult target due to the fact that they do not emit anything during operation + quick leaving within 4 minutes of the position after the shooting. But if the Himars position can be calculated from the rocket that he launched, then Penicillin does not launch anything at all during his work.
AN / TPQ-36 actively radiates into the surrounding space and has no mobility, since it cannot move itself.
And REB is the best in the world

[solar]

the radiation turns on only during shelling and is directed upwards, it is not so easy to fix, there is an afar antenna with a small number of side lobes.
But the reconnaissance station constantly stands in position, the larger it is, the more noticeable it is for the UAV.

and has no mobility

look more closely.
in no time clings to the hammer and is transported to a new place. What can not be said about Penicillin with the mast extended.

[lopvlad]

Quote from solar

the radiation turns on only during shelling and is directed upwards, it is not so easy to fix, there is an afar antenna with a small number of side lobes.

even in the photo of AN/TPQ-36 it is clearly visible that the main radiation of its antenna module with AFAR is directed to the side and not upward.

by the way, the whole complex consisting of a control vehicle and a separate antenna module is visible (by the way, this module is hung on 4 supports manually). At the same time, the deployment / folding time of the AN / TPQ-36 complex is unknown, which clearly says that this will take not a single dozen minutes, Well, unless, of course, you get out of position in the control car by throwing the antenna module.

In Penicillin, the passive antenna unfolds and folds automatically in a matter of minutes, and its location can only be determined visually. At the same time, Penicillin cannot be "drowned" with REB.

[solar]

even in the photo of AN / TPQ-36 it is clearly visible that the main radiation of its antenna module with AFAR is directed to the side and not upwards.

Are you cross-eyed? It is obvious that the antenna is not strictly vertical. The flight paths of the ammunition simply cannot be technically determined at the level of the earth's surface, the earth is spherical, as some have recently discovered, so they are not determined at the very initial section. Thus, the enemy on the ground, no matter how hard he tries, cannot hit the main beam, and the side lobes of the afar are very weakly expressed, besides, they simply cannot hit it, "the earth is round".

At this time, the deployment / folding of the complex

consisting of a jeep with a small trailer, clearly smaller than a large truck with a huge retractable antenna, which makes the AN / TPQ-36 look like a child's toy.

its location can only be determined visually

and it is much simpler than AN/TPQ-36.

At the same time, Penicillin cannot be "drowned out" with REB.

But it is very easy to deceive with the usual masking volleys of explosives, which was successfully done back in World War II.

[Oleg Ogorod]

I would like this penicillin to not turn out to be arbidol ....
Does not use radio waves, operates on new physical principles. Detects projectiles by ear and eye.
By the sound of the shot and the flash from the shot, probably. And if the fog or the fighters nearby turned on the music loudly?

[solar]

what if it's an explosion package? with sound and flash? This was practiced during World War II simultaneously with battery fire.

[tranquil]

Quote from solar

as with electronic warfare, expectations from the use before the war turned out to be greatly overestimated

And what's wrong with the work of electronic warfare? Is there any analysis of their use at the front in the public domain?

[solar]

Once Alekhine sat down to play with a stranger and immediately suggested that he give odds to the rook. And when the stranger was surprised, "You don't know me at all," Alekhine replied, "If I couldn't give you a head start on the rook, I would know you."
If the electronic warfare worked as it was advertised before, then we would have heard it from the reports from both sides.

[nordscout]

The news is very good, but I will allow myself to ask a question, in the "VO space": the Penicillin 1B75 (76) complex began to enter the troops in 2006... And it took 16 years to "get" to the Ukrainian theater of operations? It looks like they carried it by hand from Vladivostok... It looks like the "Armata" is expected at the front by 2032, it is much heavier... However, God forbid, fighting until 2032... I will express a cautious wish that samples of new military equipment are delivered, after all, to the front, not by hand, but by other means, well, for example, by rail, air transport or trailers... You see, the SVO will go "more cheerfully" and with fewer losses of personnel of the RF Armed Forces.... In a word, the path from the Forum "Army-202...." to the trench should be very, very short... And also: I would like to hope that this EW installation is much more effective than the "foreign" AN/TPQ-36...

[tranquil]

It seems to me that armata is being protected in case of a direct collision with the Americans and NATO and their Abrams and other leopards.

[nordscout]

Dear "tranquil"! "Armata" - "by the way" came up... We have many examples of military equipment, equipment, weapons, which, as it seems to me, should undergo "testing" on the battlefield, and not show off at exhibitions and forums, waiting for a "real" war with a "real" enemy... A clear example is the American M142 HIMARS... This complex has been in service with the US since 2006 (16 years), and have we "come up with" anything effective against it in 16 years? It seems that no, or rather we are fighting with "improvised" and not always effective means... Now there is an opportunity to "test" all of Russia's military "innovations" in tactics and the use of modern weapons on a motivated enemy, even if not with the most modern weapons... The motivation of a soldier - officer is 70% of success and victory, even if not with the modern weapons of this soldier - officer... And the supply of modern combat equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is "just around the corner", with the participation of NATO units, on their side, "in full swing"... Here, Russia only has to "drag out" the process of positional warfare and the so-called SVO will move to another phase, with a different combat "filling" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and, as it seems to me, with serious military-political problems for the RF Armed Forces and Russia, as a whole...

[tranquil]

I do not argue that the failures in the logistical preparation for the special operation are huge. I would even say criminal.

[Lisiy Prapor]

Actually, as far as I know, any projectile has supersonic speed. That is, the shot will be detected after arrival. So the achievement is doubtful. Even in the Great Patriotic War there was sound-metric intelligence.

[solar]

back in the war, during a shot, they made false explosions of imitators

[tranquil]

Quote: lisiy prapor

That is, the shot will be detected after arrival.

And what's the problem? Enemy artillery location data becomes less valuable as the sound wave travels? Or is the enemy battery gathering and changing position at supersonic speed too?

[Oleg Ogorod]

The fact of the matter is that the complexes should stand in a row and only detect the place of the shot, and not the trajectory of the projectile.
But detecting by sound, flash and thermal mark is not always possible. And the distance of 25 km makes these complexes easy prey when such a tall fool sticks out. They can be seen from afar from a drone and covered with more long-range artillery, including missiles.
Any drone for a penny is more effective than these monsters. To detect enemy artillery positions. For the cost of this complex, even one, it was possible to make more than a dozen drones ...

[Obstacle]

Somewhere on the Internet they mentioned the cost of 1 yard .. there are no analogues?

[tranquil]

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

They can be seen from afar from a drone and covered with more long-range artillery

Well, there is a technique that can't swap them see from a drone?

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

a drone for a penny is more effective than these monsters. To detect enemy artillery positions. For the cost of this complex, even one, it was possible to make more than a dozen drones

Do you have data on the effectiveness of this complex?

[Oleg Ogorod]

Efficiency data may not be available, but
1. I know the work of our military-industrial complex, when the effectiveness of weapons is not determined by the order at all, but is determined by the connections of the management with the higher management. For some, ceremonial pictures, for others, expensive orders.
2. Yes, and it’s enough just to look at these complexes, as everything becomes clear with their effectiveness. And their security.
In recent decades, military equipment designers have lived as if in a land of elves. They only did what they could do before, or what their older comrades, who had already passed away, taught them.
Where is the analogue of Hymers? For many years hailstones were riveted in wild quantities. Tornadoes in single instances. And guided projectiles for them in prototypes.
Maybe more than half a century ago, such penicillin could have shown some effectiveness, but not now.
To find a shooting gun, you need to look now at the rentv. Trembling of the earth. Sensors of earth tremors burrow into the ground over a certain area, and work by radio signal to the central system, which, based on the analysis, calculates the coordinates of the fired gun. The impact on the ground when fired is not frail.
But it is impossible to hit the information collection station, since it can be hidden anywhere and does not emit radio waves;)
And the sensors are even harder to hit in the ground.
We use satellites, which are located hell knows where hundreds of kilometers in the sky, using a simple phone, we calculate our location with an accuracy of several meters ...
But it can be seen the technology of aliens. And we need such observers on the towers ...
If the USSR hadn’t collapsed, I think the firefighters would have sat on the watchtower and watched where it caught fire ...

[petrakimov]

Maybe I'm confusing something, but what can be coordinated during counter-battery combat? What's the point?
The information is about the enemy who is currently shelling our troops. I understand if it is necessary to coordinate on hidden manpower discovered during reconnaissance: possibly the enemy, and possibly our sabotage and reconnaissance group or someone else from ours. But not on artillery, right? If I wrote something wrong, please explain.

[Normann]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

there a day or two are agreed upon and then the artillery will receive the "accurate"

why are you talking about the military??

The military is different.

[mr wolf]

Quote from nordscout

Dear "tranquil"! "Armata" - "by the way" came up... We have many examples of military equipment, equipment, weapons, which, as it seems to me, should be "tested" on the battlefield, and not shown off at exhibitions and forums, awaiting a "real" war with a "real" enemy...

Oh yeah! We have something to "treat" ... For example, the Kalashnikov walker.

Oh, I forgot - there is also Fedya, he knows how to shoot "in Macedonian and drive an UAZ ...