It turned out that the downed Ukrainian pilot with the call sign of the Nazi Hartmann tried to “hunt” for drones

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It turned out that the downed Ukrainian pilot with the call sign of the Nazi Hartmann tried to “hunt” for drones

Ukrainian pilot Vadim Voroshilov, shot down the other day, was known as "a fighter against Iranian drones". It was for the UAV that he "hunted" on his fighter. At least, this is how he was represented by the media controlled by the Kyiv regime.

But, as it turned out, the pilot was also inspired by the examples of his colleagues eighty years ago - military pilots of Nazi Germany.



On the helmet of Vadim Voroshilov we see the word "Karaya". It was this call sign that the Nazi pilot Erich Hartmann had. Voroshilov himself, by the way, never hid his admiration for this Nazi character. He repeatedly stated that Hartmann was the most successful fighter pilot aviation during the Second World War, and, therefore, wants to imitate him. In terms of getting captured, too? Not yet, but anything can happen.

Erich Hartmann (1922-1993) is considered the most efficient aviator ever. history military aviation. He made 1404 sorties, scoring 352 air victories. The bulk of Hartmann's victories were made in air battles with Soviet pilots. At least, this is how the official Western interpretation sounds.

Until 1955, Hartmann was in Soviet captivity, then returned to Germany and became an Air Force pilot, also trained American pilots. He retired only in 1970.



As for the fact that Hartmann served in the Nazi Luftwaffe, Voroshilov justifies himself by saying that the pilot was a young man, apolitical, which he repeatedly emphasized in all his interviews. Hartmann's service in Hitler's aviation does not play too big a role for him, Voroshilov admitted.

By the way, the first thing the Ukrainian pilot did after his plane was shot down and after his ejection was his selfie - hanging on a parachute with a broken face.

According to some reports, the downed pilot of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was a Russian fighter missile.
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  1. +14
    7 December 2022 12: 02
    Apparently a fashyuga flew off ... they gave him a litak wassat
    1. +3
      7 December 2022 12: 50
      Yes, and his muzzle after the downing was clearly not ketchup ..
      1. +3
        7 December 2022 18: 57
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Yes, and his muzzle after the downing was clearly not in ketchup ..

        The lad got carried away too much, finished his game.
        1. +4
          8 December 2022 14: 06
          Without a plane will not remain, I think.
          Too publicized. Who else will be removed from the plane and given to him.
          1. +3
            9 December 2022 13: 49
            Quote: Shurik70
            Who else will be removed from the plane and given to him.

            Lucky someone else lol Hartman was hit repeatedly; once captured, but left while being escorted; he appeared at the front in the spring of '42, for his boyish appearance he was nicknamed Bubi - the Kid. He honestly served his tenth and despised the Americans for the rest of his life - for sending 52JG to the Red Army.
  2. +52
    7 December 2022 12: 02
    Hartmann - Voroshilov - shooter of Iranian drones on the MiG-29: surrealism nervously smokes aside.
    1. +26
      7 December 2022 12: 15
      ..... the pilot Vadim Voroshilov, who was shot down the other day, was known as "a fighter against Iranian drones" ......, became his selfie - hanging on a parachute with a broken face.

      It's a pity, next time they will smash his face with the butt of a machine gun so that he dies.
    2. +15
      7 December 2022 12: 25
      Quote: iouris
      Hartmann - Voroshilov - shooter of Iranian drones on the MiG-29: surrealism nervously smokes aside.

      These losharas are jacks of all trades!
      One managed to shoot down our "Geranium - 2" ... with his fighter! ..
      A geranium flew into his air intake and the litak fell to the ground.
      This "Hartman" was lucky that the drone did not detonate under his dupa .. He successfully ejected. wink
      1. +13
        7 December 2022 13: 52
        Normal exchange. A flying moped on a jet fighter and a broken muzzle of the pilot. We look forward to more such selfies and exchanges.
    3. 0
      9 December 2022 08: 01
      Quote: iouris
      Hartmann - Voroshilov - shooter of Iranian drones on the MiG-29: surrealism nervously smokes aside.

      Moreover, it shoots down exclusively by the plane itself laughing
  3. +15
    7 December 2022 12: 02
    Life is nothing, the most important thing is a selfie. The pilots will determine whether this selfie is true or a statement.
    1. +1
      7 December 2022 12: 10
      By the way, there may be a decision, although in one of the telegrams of the channels conducted by the pilots, they noticed that the lines were stretched, i.e. the fascist managed to eject and throw off his "victory" on tik tok.
      1. +12
        7 December 2022 12: 26
        oleg-nekrasov-19 .... the fascist managed to eject and throw off his "victory" on tik tok.

        I think that such fascist heroes need to be finished off with parachutes, there should be no humanism.
        1. +2
          7 December 2022 12: 42
          for such things - immediately turma. it was only the Nazis who did this.
      2. +8
        7 December 2022 12: 29
        You can also pull the lines in the gym, here is the selfie stick where he had during the "ejection"
        1. +3
          7 December 2022 12: 33
          it is quite possible that they love various kinds of productions, nothing can be ruled out
        2. +3
          8 December 2022 11: 56
          Well, their president played the piano without hands.
      3. +18
        7 December 2022 13: 04
        I am sure that 100% setting: the blood on the face is caked. it doesn't happen like that. and in general, the process of bailout and descent is a very stressful state for a person. Using the phone at this moment to take a selfie - this does not happen. The blood on the face is already caked - this also does not happen, too little time. The dark background behind means night, there is no visibility. Here it would be better to understand where you will land, and not play on the phone. In general, another Ukrainian production.
        1. 0
          9 December 2022 08: 03
          Quote: flanker7
          I am sure that 100% setting: the blood on the face is caked. it doesn't happen like that. and in general, the process of bailout and descent is a very stressful state for a person. Using the phone at this moment to take a selfie - this does not happen. The blood on the face is already caked - this also does not happen, too little time. The dark background behind means night, there is no visibility. Here it would be better to understand where you will land, and not play on the phone. In general, another Ukrainian production.

          How many photos are posted by paratroopers?
    2. -6
      7 December 2022 12: 14
      I wonder what criteria and how the pilots will determine the truth or falsehood of this photo. Who are these pilots? And most importantly, why would they even do it?
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    4. +1
      7 December 2022 12: 47
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Life is nothing, the most important thing is a selfie. The pilots will determine whether this selfie is true or a statement.

      In a computer shooter, you can endlessly revive ... but in this war, I do not know of a single case of the rebirth of a dill. what
      1. +11
        7 December 2022 13: 03
        Unfortunately there is at least one case. Geek got a tower, but revived after a "goodwill gesture" and kills again
      2. +4
        7 December 2022 14: 11
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        in this war, I do not know a single case of the revival of the dill.

        There was some kind of Babchenko there, like ... Then he begged for macaroninka for the kids. what
  4. +30
    7 December 2022 12: 04
    When vyrus takes the call sign of a fascist, thereby trashing his surname Voroshilov, it turns me all over. I hope many people understand who our guys are dealing with in the areas where they are performing tasks. am
    1. +37
      7 December 2022 12: 38
      Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
      , thereby trashing his last name Voroshilov, turns me around.

      And how I turned out in 2014 from the number of Russian-speaking Bandera in the Russian city of Berdyansk when I was packing my bags. So that was 2014 already. And these are my former colleagues at work, study and even relatives.
      You don't even understand the level of Nazismization of the neighboring "state". By the way, in vain you sprinkle your head that you had to go to the end back in 2014, I will upset you, and then it would be too late and a lot of blood.
      Point of no return 2004. Then there would have been flowers, and minor, isolated incidents with shots in the back in the Russian-speaking regions, but lower than in the North Caucasus in the 2004s. So do not kick your President, in XNUMX he was definitely not up to Ukraine.
      Who does not believe, read my publications in the profile 6-8 years ago.
      1. +15
        7 December 2022 12: 51
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        So do not kick your President, in 2004 he was definitely not up to Ukraine.
        Who does not believe, read my publications in the profile 6-8 years ago.

        Thanks for your comment. Health to you.
      2. +11
        7 December 2022 12: 52
        Yes, I know about the point of no return in 2004, after the "orange revolution" of Bandera Yushchenko and his patrons from the United States. Many of my classmates at the military school lived in Ukraine and almost all moved to Russia in 2014. Poltava, Kirovograd, Zhytomyr, Vinnitsa ... one remained, by the way, with a purely Russian surname, served in the air defense of the Ukrainian Air Force near Lvov, in I remember writing to me in 2008 how they shot down our dryers in Georgia, he worked in one of the calculations, after that he blocked him everywhere and I don’t know his further fate, for me he will “crash”
      3. +11
        7 December 2022 12: 54
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        By the way, in vain you sprinkle your head that you had to go to the end back in 2014, I will upset you, and then it would be too late and a lot of blood.

        That's it, they got on the site the howls of the people "but in 2014" ... Your mother, you are trying to tell them the most objective facts - that in the spring of 2014 half of Donbass was sitting in mob camps and preparing to fight with Russia. Not Westerners never - these will not go anywhere, their hut is from the edge, namely the Donbass, on mobilization, in the spring - and you would have to fight EXACTLY WITH THEM! No, they don't hear shit! But about the miscalculations of the General Staff THIS spring - they will tell. But at the same time, it doesn’t fit in my head that in the spring of 2014 they had not yet been shelled by Kyiv for 8 years, and for 8 years they didn’t say that there were no people there, only quilted jackets (Farion about Mariupol) - and even now there are gunners, activists and other riff-raff, and in 2014? Like peas on the wall.
        1. +1
          7 December 2022 13: 07
          Your mother, you are trying to tell them the most objective facts - that in the spring of 2014 half of the Donbass were sitting in mob camps and preparing to fight with Russia
          Many of the supporters of the 14th still believe that it would be better to fight then with those sitting in mob camps than now with those already incubated. Then it would be the same, but probably easier.
          1. +4
            7 December 2022 13: 12
            Quote from Rustic
            than now with already hatched.

            In 2014, the ENTIRE Donbass would stand up against Russia. There was a half-way situation, someone for the Russian Federation, someone for Europe, someone doesn’t care, but in the event of an invasion, EVERYONE would go. We would be in the place of the APU
          2. +6
            7 December 2022 14: 12
            Quote from Rustic
            Your mother, you are trying to tell them the most objective facts - that in the spring of 2014 half of the Donbass were sitting in mob camps and preparing to fight with Russia
            Many of the supporters of the 14th still believe that it would be better to fight then with those sitting in mob camps than now with those already incubated. Then it would be the same, but probably easier.

            In 2014 in Ukraine:
            1. A huge European dream, even among Russian-speaking citizens.
            2. Dissatisfaction of a significant part of Russian-speaking citizens with Yanukovych and co.
            3. A new generation of Russian-speaking citizens according to Yushchenko's textbooks after 2004.
            We take exclusively Russian speakers, about Westerners separately. Total:
            - change of generations
            - political assimilation through TV and mass media into Ukrainians.
            - fatigue from corruption (as they thought) and faith in the European dream.
            - no independent interest in studying how the Russian Federation lives after 1991 and 1999, respectively. They mirrored the everyday life of the sleeping areas of Nikolaev and Zaporozhye on the cities of the Russian Federation. And they repeated the manta of the 90s: "Moscow lives, Russia survives!" And they made a choice towards Western Civilization, where Ukrainian identity acted as a ticket and transit. There is nothing worse for the identity of a Russian if he lives in another Slavic community. The rate of assimilation is high. You probably immediately remember Belarus? As an antipode of Ukraine. But there is a temporary fuse in the form of the Russian state language, but I suspect that in Russian-speaking schools in Belarus, they teach mathematics and physics in Russian, but definitely not the History of Russia and Russian literature. I found Russian-language schools in Ukraine in the 90s. There, in the Russian-language textbooks of the History of Ukraine and World History, there were no compliments about the Soviet past and Russia. Even then, they wrote in Russian for Russian-speaking children that Bandera was not such a bad guy. This was before 2004. I think Belarus also has its own "heroes". There the process will stretch, but will not stop.
            And what Russia was like in 2014, from the army to the financial system, you know better than me.
            1. +4
              7 December 2022 18: 26
              You want to say that then it would be more difficult than now? I am not a humanitarian, not a politician, not a philosopher. I am a techie. And I see that it would be easier to break Ukraine on the knee then. Purely technical. And all sorts of liberal things do not excite me. I communicate with iron. There is no liberalism and philanthropy in him. Sometimes I cut it, sometimes it cuts my hands. Today, I "killed" 2 assemblies by cutting them into parts. Do you think canibal? And as for me, iron is not as evil as people. And yes, guns don't kill people, people do. Without people, a weapon is just a piece of metal. Gold nuggets are out, lying quietly for millennia, and nothing. But how do people get to them ... This is where it all begins.
              1. +4
                8 December 2022 05: 10
                Quote from Rustic
                You want to say that then it would be more difficult than now?

                The same, but proportionally lower for both sides, both in terms of the fanaticism of Ukraine and its military-technical capabilities, and of Russia, with the exception of the patriotic fanaticism of the Russians, there was more of it then, because. it was closer to 1991, even money was not needed for volunteers. They were ready to pay their own, if only to give Bandera a hat. But 8 years is a long time, someone has already become a pensioner, and in total it has become 30 years of the consumer society from 1991, someone counts from 1985. (and not 23 years of the consumer society, as in 2014)
                But the state of the Russian army was worse in 2014 (there were no massive calibers, or none at all), and the financial system was completely under the West, and not only partially as after 2014, and closer to 2022. I am already silent about import substitution.
                Techies, a special type of people. Their maidanism in Ukraine in 2014 was the last to affect them. They were an island of sanity there, with them I had an outlet, but only for a while, since the Russian-speaking humanitarians riveted metal tanks at the Malyshev plant.
      4. Nzn
        +6
        7 December 2022 13: 22
        Absolutely agree. Already in 1991, the Nazis were gaining momentum, only progressing every year. And 2004 - another turning point, only accelerated the process. Now those people with whom 10 years ago I spoke the same language are now completely unrecognizable.
      5. -23
        7 December 2022 13: 22
        the city of Berdyansk, when I was packing my bags.

        You won’t become Russian anyway, no matter how hard you try to cling to us

        You are from Ukraine, branded on your forehead forever
        1. +12
          7 December 2022 13: 33
          Quote: Santa Fe
          the city of Berdyansk, when I was packing my bags.

          You won’t become Russian anyway, no matter how hard you try to cling to us

          You are from Ukraine, branded on your forehead forever

          And I don't care what you think. I've been here on the site since 2012, there was still an old nickname, just Nevsky. My paternal relatives are all from Siberia, I was born in the GDR. Accordingly, in the passport and in the birth certificate, there is no Ukraine, not even the Ukrainian SSR. Last name also Russian.
          So in your inflamed brain, maybe I'm Ukrainian. You will measure my skull with a ruler, Latin lover Santa Fe ? Russian or not?
          Yes. and Berdyansk today, this is the Russian Federation. Caution, you are close to violating the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And how do you distinguish Russians from non-Russians. Here in Novosibirsk, we have a lot of Russians from Central Asia, and with South Russian surnames, which you will probably interpret as Ukrainian. According to the principle of birth, residence (how many years to live?), Eye and hair color?
          1. +1
            7 December 2022 22: 00
            In the second half of the 80s, I traveled all over Ukraine for work. In Poltava 1.5 years, Kherson, Kharkiv, Zaporozhye, Ivano-Frankivsk (Stanislav). Everywhere less than a month. There were normal people everywhere. And there are idiots everywhere. You don't have to pay attention to them.
          2. -5
            8 December 2022 12: 30
            Accordingly, in the passport and in the birth certificate, there is no Ukraine, not even the Ukrainian SSR.

            you lived in Ukraine

            "Rome does not pay traitors" (c)

            No matter what the motives and the situation, you have a stale biography. And unfortunately it can't be fixed.
            1. +2
              8 December 2022 13: 59
              you lived in Ukraine

              Oh, respected by someone, how long do you have to live in Ukraine to get from you the verdict of "traitor" and the label "stigma"?
              Variants of answer:
              1. A week in a hotel room in Kyiv.
              2. Summer with my grandmother in Ukraine near Poltava. Maybe two or three years? (Do you know that there used to be one country, how old are you?)
              3. An elementary school in Russian-speaking Kharkov in the 90s, which was no different from Belgorod at that time. Or is a kindergarten in Ukraine considered?
              4. Finish school in Ukraine, but graduate from a university in Russia.
              5. To be born into a family of Russian RSFSR who were passing through the Ukrainian SSR laughing a week.
              6. A child was conceived in the sky over Ukraine in the cabin of the aircraft, he was led by the Ukrainian dispatch service. Is the child Ukrainian?
              7. ... I can go on ad infinitum.
              You smell like Nazi Ukraine. You slept. They have one logic in Ukraine: who was born, lived, worked and passed through Ukraine, even by chance, these are all Ukrainians: Sikorsky, Korolev, Antonov, etc. laughing Type is the serfs of Ukraine. Once they were there. Even if it was ordered by Soviet Moscow: to serve and work on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR.
              And my biography is great. The city where I got a little "stupid" (it's strange they say so in Ukraine too, are you Ukrainian?), as you say, this is today the territory of the Russian Federation. So wipe your face, this is Russia. Do you deny the territorial integrity of Russia? They are now giving Russian passports to people, and other documents of Russian jurisdiction. laughing
              P.S. Today, nothing connects me with Ukraine at all. From the place of birth, the nationality of my parents (Russian), to citizenship. Including my last name with -ov. The last thread, it was Berdyansk, which today is part of the Russian Federation. You are in flight.
              "Rome does not pay traitors" (c)

              Russia accepted me, and gave me lifting money, thanks to Putin's program for the resettlement of a compatriot. Thanks Russia!
            2. +2
              8 December 2022 19: 20
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Accordingly, in the passport and in the birth certificate, there is no Ukraine, not even the Ukrainian SSR.

              you lived in Ukraine

              "Rome does not pay traitors" (c)


              Rome heard you
              "The process of synchronizing the legislative base of the new regions of the Russian Federation with the federal one has been launched, which will allow enterprises to use all measures of state support," said Denis Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister, head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.
              Your little world in your head and reality do not add up. Rome pays out?
              So, since 2014, on the territory of the Russian Federation, 404 ... millions of people have received citizenship from former citizens.
              Now there are millions more.
              Can I clarify, in your wonderful worldview, you separate the inhabitants of Crimea, Donbass from those who individually chose the path with Russia being in the minority? I’ll tell you a little secret, passports in Crimea in 2014 were received not only by participants in the Crimean Spring, but also by those who just lay on the couch, and the stars aligned, and he lived in Crimea. There were also those who were generally for Ukraine in secret. I just want to know how busy you are. Plus, I think to look at the statistics, how many people received Russian citizenship under the program for the resettlement of compatriots from other republics of the former Greater Russia. Let me tell you how hard life is for you. This is how you come to work, and there a Russian from Kazakhstan gets a job with you. Or from Uzbekistan. For you, he is a traitor with a stigma, and whom did he betray by the way? Gorbachev, when he went to kindergarten, nursery, for example? Or age matters to you. What if you were 18 years old in 1991?, mmm... how can you play this game in two, who betrayed there that being at a conscious and capable age? What have you done to save the country? And if you were against the USSR, were you at the barricades in those days, and if so, why did you lose Yeltsin's country? As you can see, any of your civic positions will be obstructed. Or in your world, betrayal is sexually transmitted, and the son is responsible for the father, for example? You know, I'm just wondering how people imagine real life? From a political science textbook? Or stories? Do you live on TV or historical cinema? What measure do you measure? Quiet Don? For you, Russia, is this a golden ring? Or a little more? And Russia before 1991? Before 1917? What for you? And what do you mean by such concepts as historical inertia? Is assimilation a tragedy or a normal process for you? As I understand it, for you, small-town patriotism is held in high esteem. Look, do not get to the point that for you there will be traitors to all those who live on the even or odd side of your street. So split into friends and foes, you can endlessly. Perhaps I'm wrong. Or you just have a quirk due to events after 24.02.
              I understand it's a tragedy. I write without irony. It's really hard to keep balance.
              1. +1
                8 December 2022 19: 48
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                Perhaps I'm wrong. Or you just have a quirk due to events after 24.02.
                I understand it's a tragedy. I write without irony. It's really hard to keep balance.

                It’s just that then I at least more or less see the logic, they say why did you cling to me, an old-timer of the VO website, who wrote a lot of publications on military-technical topics., But answered in the spirit of a skinhead from the 90s. Although in real life you would not tell me that, I do not differ visually from the Russians of Central Russia, and there is no accent. The family has always had a literary Russian language. And the region was Russian-speaking, like the school in the 90s. It's stupid to hint to a person where he comes from, if he himself has opened up honestly. If you wish, you can't even smell in your spirit that I lived there. Of course, if I do not go to work in public services. Although here casuistry comes legal. The region where I lived is already the Russian Federation. I can even reissue my diploma. In any case, I am not drawn to work in government agencies. Should I start to complex? Did you mean this label? Do you think many people dream of working in the civil service?
            3. +3
              8 December 2022 20: 04
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Accordingly, in the passport and in the birth certificate, there is no Ukraine, not even the Ukrainian SSR.

              you lived in Ukraine

              "Rome does not pay traitors" (c)

              No matter what the motives and the situation, you have a stale biography. And unfortunately it can't be fixed.

              I think I have sufficiently substantiated my answers to your nationalistic attack on me. Almost 4 messages, plus indirect. You see, you are my subject. I wrote about people like you back there, in Ukraine, when people said to my face: "Suitcase, railway station, Russia", while they were Russians themselves, and possibly from your city. One was from Tver, her parents brought her in 1989. The surname is Russian. These were not Ukrainians who suddenly decided to return home. There were other Russians who looked askance at me, like a political nation has taken place, and why do I resist and do not wear vyshyvanka? They accepted Ukraine to the end, to the marrow and bones, I could not let go of the world on which I learned to speak, think and write. Collected the suitcases. Now you write to me like this. It's funny if your parents or you were sent by the Soviet Army, the CPSU, the Komsomol or a factory to the Ukrainian SSR, would you be there in the ranks of Bandera in Ukraine? Rhetorical question.
        2. +3
          8 December 2022 12: 02
          A brand on the forehead of each TsIPSOshnik who hangs around on the site.
          1. +2
            8 December 2022 14: 31
            Quote: Skif
            A brand on the forehead of each TsIPSOshnik who hangs around on the site.

            If this is a Russian nationalist, and not a TsIPSoshnik, then, of course, shiz and sadness at the same time. He has a profile on the site from 2011, most likely not a TsIPSOshnik. Tomorrow, God forbid, we will suddenly have a conflict with Kazakhstan ( hypothetically). Then, according to his flawed logic, almost a third of the inhabitants of Novosibirsk, (Russians by nationality), will be traitors. Because the flow of Russians from Kazakhstan does not dry out. He will look like this: "You have a diploma or a school certificate from Kazakhstan! You are a traitor!" But there are Russians from other republics of the USSR. I hope this is really a CIPSO. It was not enough that there were Nazis in Russia who would start saying who is more Russian: are you from Ryazan or is he Tambov? Nationalism is division, the infinite division of the atom.
            1. +2
              9 December 2022 08: 12
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              If this is a Russian nationalist, and not a TsIPSoshnik, then of course shiz and sadness at the same time

              We have enough idiots. Fortunately, we keep them on a short leash and in a hard collar.
              1. 0
                9 December 2022 09: 20
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                If this is a Russian nationalist, and not a TsIPSoshnik, then of course shiz and sadness at the same time

                We have enough idiots. Fortunately, we keep them on a short leash and in a hard collar.

                This is clear. A lot happens in life. I was struck by the number of his publications on this site (see profile), his military-technical literacy, but at the same time, teenage nationalist infantilism. How does it all fit together? Or am I thinking stereotypically, they say if a Nazi, then a narrow-minded person from a downtrodden village !? Alas, this was the case in Ukraine. And those who were literate, with whom I talked about the fifth / sixth technological order, hypersound and impulse engines, were either cosmopolitan or simply adequate.
                1. +1
                  9 December 2022 10: 15
                  Quote: Nevsky_ZU
                  I was struck by the number of his publications on this site (see profile), his military-technical literacy, but at the same time, teenage nationalist infantilism. How does it all fit together?

                  Our modern Natsiks are often well educated. The stupid ones ended in the 90s and early XNUMXs in showdowns.
        3. 0
          9 December 2022 08: 10
          Quote: Santa Fe
          the city of Berdyansk, when I was packing my bags.

          You won’t become Russian anyway, no matter how hard you try to cling to us

          You are from Ukraine, branded on your forehead forever

          And you weren't.
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      7. +2
        7 December 2022 13: 33
        In 2004, in Russia itself, they were looking for a pose to please the West, as, by the way, even now they do not stop practicing the Kama Sutra. crying
      8. +5
        8 December 2022 05: 41
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Point of no return 2004. Then there would be flowers

        Sorry, I don't agree.
        The first “Maidan” passed before my eyes, and I also remember Kyiv “Maidan” very well. Even then, the level of enthusiasm for Ukraine's European prospects was off scale. The overwhelming majority believed that if you reach out your hand, you will find yourself in Europe. But Russia stands in the way, slowing down Ukraine with the hands of Kuchma and Yanukovych.
        I had a warehouse of empty bottles on my balcony, I threw them at the agitators, sometimes quite accurately.
        Imagine, you are sleeping, and under your windows in the dead of night they are heart-rendingly yelling Yu-shchen-ko !!!!
        You wake up, dress quickly, go out onto the balcony and throw a bottle. Agitators, having received a direct hit, stopped and began to carefully consider where it came from.

        So that's right, there were still relatively few fascists in Ukraine, but ordinary people were already infected with the ideas of nationalism and rushed to Europe. The brother of my institute friend came out of the bosom of the Orthodox Church and became a Uniate, because the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. At the same time, he is Russian, and he speaks and thinks in Russian.
        Although there were few fanatics, but the soil was completely manured, shoots began to grow rapidly after the second "Maidan".
        1. +2
          8 December 2022 07: 37
          Quote: Comrade
          Sorry, I don't agree.

          Apologies are not accepted. We are talking exclusively about 8 Russian-speaking regions as of 2004 and nothing more. Kyiv has deteriorated for a long time. Ukraine has been lost for a long time, and New Russia has been lost since 2005. Be careful.
        2. +1
          8 December 2022 18: 31
          Quote: Comrade

          Sorry, I don't agree.
          The first "Maidan" passed before my eyes, and I also remember Kyiv "Maidan" very well

          But in general, you correctly described the situation. It's just that the city of Kyiv was at the forefront of the Nazis. In the past, it was also a Russian-speaking city. He became Russophobic with the beginning of the 90s. Alas. If not before. But Kharkiv, this is our pain and tragedy. Read Eduard Limonov in Kharkov. Eh .. and Odessa, and further ... in the Russian regions.
  5. +3
    7 December 2022 12: 04
    A couple already land it WITHOUT a parachute!
  6. -6
    7 December 2022 12: 09
    This is just a call sign - among the Russian youth who are fond of aviation, there are also many fans of this blond knight
    1. +7
      7 December 2022 12: 20
      Only if the youth pays tribute to the merits of the Fritz, then at least with regards to the pilot it is quite reasonable. All the same, the Fritz fought can be considered on a relatively equal footing. At least against people. To what extent his merits in reality correspond to those declared, there are disputes between much less and very little. And this Ukurkinsky under-pilot finally fought with mopeds. This is not the bottom, this is finally a complete schmuck.
    2. +5
      8 December 2022 05: 49
      Quote: KERMET
      among Russian youth who are fond of aviation, there are also many fans of this blond knight

      There is nothing to worship. Most of his "victories" are not confirmed by the Soviet archives. Hartmann arrived at the front in forty-three, and the documents of the aviation formations, whose planes he allegedly "shot down", survived and have long been studied.
      On the Eastern Front, Harmann has a maximum of eighty real victories, but in fact less. On the sites where he claimed victory one day or another, other German pilots also acted, and they also claimed victory. It turned out that for one lost Soviet aircraft there were two or three applicants.
      Here is the cover of a French magazine, everything is in detail there.

      So Voroshilov bows before the fake ace.
      It's good that he was shot down, maybe he will remain disabled or fall into the right hands, who will knock him down "when trying to escape."
      A couple of months ago, he gave an interview, said that he, among others, was scheduled for training on the F-16.
  7. +4
    7 December 2022 12: 09
    It's a pity if this rooster doesn't die.......
  8. +3
    7 December 2022 12: 17
    Enemy. And a strange guy - modern aircraft are not built in order to solve really important tasks on a real battlefield. For this they are too fast and little maneuverable. It is unrealistic to hunt drones from them.
    1. +1
      7 December 2022 12: 45
      "Hunting drones from them is unrealistic" ///
      ---
      Why? He did not hunt for nimble tactical quadrocopters.
      And for scouts-spotters art.
      Shooting at them from a MiG-29 cannon is quite realistic and reasonable. Cheaper than launching a rocket from a Buk.
      1. +7
        7 December 2022 12: 55
        Speed. At the speed at which the MIG drone flies, it will fall into a tailspin. Those. you can’t fit into his tail, only try to get on the aisle or on the verticals (if the height allows, which is unlikely). Even with the Po-2, the Messers had the same problem.
        1. +2
          7 December 2022 13: 11
          Here, you first try to notice him, and even aim, and this is all in 1-2 seconds. It seems that this under-pilot still managed to do both with an incredible effort. That's just not enough to see further mind. And you have to go further and still have time to dodge. (knocked down, not knocked down, it doesn't matter). And judging by the photo of the muzzle, he knocked him down stupidly rammed. That is another achievement, to ram a moped by plane.
        2. 0
          7 December 2022 17: 14
          Russian Su-30s shot down Bayraktars over Ukraine.
          And there were no problems with the difference in speeds. The MiG-29 will not have them either.
          Several Ukrainian MiGs are hunting for drones and KR, and not without success. And already the second MiG fell.
      2. 0
        7 December 2022 16: 53
        Nimble? Their speed is incomparably lower than that of a jet fighter. A couple of seconds, and you jumped forward, but by the time you turn around, the drone is already gone, and where to look? A drone will not capture a missile guidance thermal head. For that couple of seconds that you saw it with your eyes and have not yet lost it, flying forward, you need to somehow bring it down. Yeah. That's another job...
  9. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 18
    This time this "hunter" was lucky twice: he managed to eject and over the territory occupied by the Nazis. The limit of luck has been exhausted.
  10. +2
    7 December 2022 12: 22
    The pilot of the non-fascist Hartmann-Voroshilov was shot down by return fire from Iranian UAVs.
  11. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 22
    Not too much attention to Alya-assu in the hunt for drones! So far, the score is 0:1 in favor of drones. He's just a downed pilot!
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 08: 20
      Why 0:1 is already 2:2 Entot As the second one is already shooting down, though by plane, but shooting down laughing
  12. +6
    7 December 2022 12: 29
    The selfie is staged, if there is so much blood on the face, why is it not on the oxygen mask and why did he not take it off. On the left side of the face there is a clear line between the daub and the mask. Ukrpropaganda works...
  13. 0
    7 December 2022 12: 31
    And the name and surname of this jackal is primordially Ukrainian ... even glass wool is a pity for this Judas ...
  14. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 33
    Well, I met with the modern Pokryshkin, the Luftwaffe degenerate.
  15. +2
    7 December 2022 12: 40
    Well, yes, the "drone hunter", the speed of the Mig and the "geranium" ..., hunted until he ran into me, too, ass, he should wear the English "ass" on his helmet.)
  16. +3
    7 December 2022 12: 44
    Well, that's right, Hartman scored scores by shooting down stragglers, downed aircraft, plus drawing victories where they were not, why consider their adversaries, write more, this one decided to increase the score by shooting down drones.
  17. 0
    7 December 2022 12: 46
    According to some reports, the downed pilot of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was a Russian fighter missile.

    It’s a pity that he remained alive, the bastard defiled such a surname.
  18. 0
    7 December 2022 12: 47
    Yes, it’s hard for our guys to shoot down such flyers and not be shot down by air defense ourselves. The main thing is that our experience would not be fucked up as they used to do it, priceless, it will be even harder to fight the Americans.
  19. +2
    7 December 2022 12: 48
    By the way, Hartman killed Messer in the very first sortie, and without any interference from enemy troops. "by myself, all by myself" wink
    1. +2
      7 December 2022 19: 47
      In my distant childhood, next to my house was Officerskaya Street, where demobilized officers participating in the Great Patriotic War lived in their homes. So, in one of the houses of my older friend Vovchik, a huge Caucasian shepherd dog named Karai lived in the yard.
      "Vovchik's father came from the war with trophies," as if Vladimir Vysotsky sang about him - Vovchik's father brought a black Opel from Germany. In the war he was a pilot.
      - What is the dog's name? - I once asked Vovchik.
      - And it was my dad who shot down a German pilot with that name - Vovchik answered. He was given an order for this.
      - What kind of name is this?
      - Who the hell knows. Father does not like to talk about the war. This is where it all ended. Karai and Karai.
      I learned the name of this pilot only when, already in adulthood, I read Hartmann's memoirs. And then everything came together for me. But Vovchik's father had already died by this time.
  20. AJE
    -4
    7 December 2022 12: 51
    They will exchange it for one of ours ... But, as for me: such inadequately dangerous guys need 50 years to Siberia for snow removal ...
  21. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 51
    TTX moped Geranium and MIG 29. Who was hunting for what? If the ground services do not tell you, fuck you, you will catch the UAV
    1. +4
      7 December 2022 13: 08
      Judging by the lost aircraft of the Air Force in "unequal battles" with UAVs, probably all the same "Geran" is a hunter laughing
      1. +2
        7 December 2022 15: 53
        Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19
        Judging by the lost aircraft of the Air Force in "unequal battles" with UAVs, probably all the same "Geran" is a hunter

        Judging that Geranium failed MiG 29, it is very similar
  22. +5
    7 December 2022 12: 51
    Fool. He has no idea why Hartmann has such a devastating score. And Hartmann himself did not hide this.

    "Assess if the enemy has a stray or inexperienced pilot. Such a pilot is always visible in the air. Shoot him down. It is much more useful to set fire to only one than to get involved in a 20-minute carousel without achieving anything."

    The wolf boasts of devouring lambs. He hunted not for those who are strong and dangerous, but for those who are weaker and easier to kill. That is, the main thing is a personal score, and not real damage to the enemy. That's why they lost that war.
    1. +9
      7 December 2022 13: 37
      A hysterical German radio signal is known: “Attention! Pokryshkin is in the sky! But a similar signal “Attention! Hartman in the sky! The fantastic personal accounts of the German aces are the result of equally fantastic postscripts. The worse things went for the Germans on the Eastern Front, the more they had additions for propaganda purposes. Therefore, it was enough for the Germans to fix the “shooting down” by hitting the aircraft in the sight of a photo-machine gun. As an option - confirmation of the downing from his flight mates. In general, it was an ideal means for postscripts: today you help me with postscripts, and tomorrow I will help you. Therefore, how many planes Hartman actually shot down is, to put it mildly, unknown. There are no documents for more than half of the planes allegedly shot down by him - only the word of honor from fellow countryman Munchausen. However, for propagandists, this is indestructible proof. German and lied?! - Yes, this can not be!
      Our combat losses during the war amounted to 45 thousand aircraft. Approximately 2/3 of them "deservedly" on account of the German anti-aircraft artillery. You can’t throw out a word from a song, but the Germans’ anti-aircraft artillery was on top. Against this background, it is estimated that only 900 of the best German aces "shot down" 40 thousand Soviet aircraft. But besides these 900 there were also aces of a lower rank! Now consider the extent of the lie.
      In our country, a pilot received a cash bonus for a downed plane, so you could get a lot of money for registrations. Up to the penal battalion (shooter on IL-2). At the end of the war, this reached the point of insanity: to confirm the downing, it was no longer enough to present confirmation from ground services or troops, but it was also necessary to present the nameplate from the downed aircraft with the serial number. Therefore, the subscriptions were smaller.
      The best German squadron that attacked the USSR on June 22, 1941 was JG-54 Grunherz - "Green Heart". By July 22, 1941, JG-54 had lost 37 pilots out of 112 killed or missing.
      At the end of March 1943, JG-54 was forced to paint over their emblems, proudly called the "Green Priests" by the Germans. The fact is that the messer without the Grunherz emblem did not arouse much interest for our pilots, while it was prestigious to fill up the "Green ...". Therefore, Grunherz had less chance to escape. Until the end of the war, Grunherz lost 416 pilots - vaunted aces, who attributed to themselves a hundred other aircraft. Those. almost 4 of its full composition.
      Erich Hartmann, who allegedly shot down 352 aircraft, was himself shot down 14 times. In absolute terms, he was shot down in every 60th "air battle". And this is provided that Khrtman was engaged exclusively in aerial hunting. He was hysterically afraid of the tasks of covering bombers or ground targets.
      German ace Peter Duttmann made 398 sorties and was shot down 19 times. Those. he was shot down not by Pokryshkin or Kozhedub, but by every 20th first counter Soviet pilot. However, Peter allegedly had 152 wins. Etc. not a single Soviet pilot bothered to bring down such results of shooting down his loved ones. I am silent about the Kozhedubovs and Pokryshkins.
      Finally. "Free hunting" is a beautiful propaganda move, but nothing more. Damage to the enemy is inflicted by bomber and ground attack aircraft. Therefore, the main task solved by the Pokryshkin regiment was to ensure the fulfillment of the combat mission of its attack aircraft and bombers and to cover our troops from enemy aircraft. Completion of such tasks is more important than a personal account. Therefore, while the famous Hartman replenished his personal account with "wounded animals", Allied bombers turned German cities into ruins, and Soviet aviation sent German columns of manpower and military equipment to heaven in their entirety.
  23. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 53
    Fascist henchman death penalty. Otherwise, our ancestors will not understand us. request
  24. +1
    7 December 2022 12: 54
    Hanging on a parachute with a broken face and taking selfies, as reported by Ukro.Agitprop, it must be under drugs, either the pilot or the propagandists there.
    It is quite possible that a pilot named Voroshilov, later, when he hesitated, smeared his face with pig's blood.
  25. +4
    7 December 2022 12: 56
    This is where the glorification of fascist pilots led. They soiled the head of this Voroshilov with tales of fascist supermen, and this was done by the Russian "fighters for historical truth."
    No one explained to this Voroshilov that Hartman's efficiency was very low - he shot down mainly damaged or cheap single-engine fighters that were already lost and could not reach their own, and he himself lost a dozen expensive fighters and burned a lot of scarce aviation gasoline without much benefit to his Reich.
    By the way, Voroshilov is a worthy follower of Hartman - he lost an expensive fighter in the fight against Iranian aircraft modeling products.
  26. +1
    7 December 2022 13: 05
    Of course, I'm not an expert, but Karaya in Portuguese slang is sort of like .uy. and since nothing, in principle, everything is correct :)))
  27. +1
    7 December 2022 13: 12
    Hartmann's 352 "victories" are not the same as 352 downed aircraft.
    The cunning system of the Luftwaffe for accruing points based on the results of participation in air battles allows you to turn these points into victories, which many mistakenly interpret as downed aircraft.
    Although these 352 "victories" are written with a pitchfork on the water and are not fully confirmed by anything. They didn’t bother much with confirmations of downed planes, postscripts and cheating were not uncommon, and maybe they were encouraged - Goebbels propaganda needed the image of such air “knights” of the Aryan race, churning out victories in batches ...
    The archives of the Luftwaffe were mostly destroyed on the eve of the surrender, the surviving part ended up in the States, and was later transferred to the Federal Republic of Germany.
    If the Germans were so productive, then why did they lose the war?
    "Lipa" is all myths ...
    And why do the best British and American aces have on their personal accounts the number of downed aircraft that does not exceed the personal accounts of the best Soviet pilots?
    After all, they were no worse than ours and fought on good planes ...
    1. pm4
      -1
      7 December 2022 15: 15
      Points and victories in the Luftwaffe are completely different things. Points were awarded according to the number of engines and conditions and served as the basis for awarding, winning - for the confirmed fact of the destruction of the aircraft. That is, if Hartmann shot down 342, then he shot down exactly 342. But the points, theoretically, could be 342 × 3. But, if memory serves, he scored the main victories during the day and on the IL-2. I also read somewhere that the ratio of points for awards on the Western and Eastern fronts went like 1:10 in favor of the Western, but here I don’t
  28. +2
    7 December 2022 13: 49
    How many of these selfies in coffins under the yellow-black flag have already been buried in the ground .... And how many more will be buried.
  29. pm4
    +1
    7 December 2022 15: 05
    The whole essence of the current Ukrainian generation. No, in order to imitate their fellow countryman Kozhedub, they imitate former enemies, but not European
  30. 0
    7 December 2022 15: 50
    wow, they made a hero out of a Ukrainian pilot in our media! something is coming! Although, after the released Azovites and mercenaries sentenced to death, I am no longer surprised at anything.
  31. +2
    7 December 2022 16: 13
    For most ukroas, the first flight is also the last. But boasting is a feature of the national character, and therefore there are legends about the Kiev ghost and about the allegedly completely destroyed Russian aviation, designed for people with limited mental abilities. The combat successes of Ukrainian aviation are the same myth as the fact that missiles are running out in the Russian Federation, once a week there are statements that the arsenals of the Russian Federation have run out, and they all fly in numbers of about a hundred KR and hit targets, gradually driving Ukraine into a stone century. Well, who can remember the "massive" use of Ukrainian aviation for more than one or two aircraft at the same time, I only remember the events at Fr. Snake, where, in fact, the aviation of the Ukrainian Navy, headed by its commander, ceased to exist, and the breakthrough of 4 helicopters of the National Guard of Ukraine (probably the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could no longer assemble a significant number of serviceable sides) to Mariupol during the assault on Azovstal. And then single sorties, as a rule, ending sadly for both aircraft and equipment. What country - such and aviation.
  32. 0
    7 December 2022 16: 43
    This game will soon just overfill the cup of patience, as much as possible, in fact? ((
  33. +1
    7 December 2022 18: 56
    Quote: Introvert
    I wonder what criteria and how the pilots will determine the truth or falsehood of this photo. Who are these pilots? And most importantly, why would they even do it?

    Self-promotion of clowns as the essence of all ukrovoyak.
  34. 0
    7 December 2022 19: 25
    The fate of all Khokhlyat "aces" is hunting for cheap Iranian drones)))
  35. 0
    7 December 2022 19: 51
    Well, with such a speaking call sign of the cowardly "knight of the Reich", it's no wonder what else he should do)
  36. +1
    7 December 2022 21: 20
    I have a question. And why, with FULL air superiority, do some of these planes ... even take off?
  37. +1
    7 December 2022 22: 14
    In 10 days they will exchange it for our prisoners and it will fly again. The exchanged British mercenaries have already returned to Ukraine for the second time to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There is no point in capturing mercenaries. The Kremlin is changing them first.
  38. 0
    8 December 2022 11: 54
    No, well, he’s right: drones won’t give up! It's like taking candy from children: it's safe and profitable. Until somebody's dad comes along. Which, apparently, happened.
  39. 0
    8 December 2022 13: 08
    The blood is smeared in a thin even layer. Exactly to the mask and to the helmet. Don't put your finger under it. The right half of the face is heavily made up. And the left one is worse, the right hand does not go in. Do not say that they say, "briznulo". Not a drop on the mask and on the helmet ... And there was no smudge - a very even layer. I'm talking about the photo. I don’t know the pilot, maybe he really is a master wink
  40. 0
    9 December 2022 06: 49
    Hartman was still an “ace”, by his own admission, his favorite pastime was to watch for bombers or attack aircraft returning from battle, to select a “wounded wound” of a straggler, shoot him down and quickly dump him, he avoided engaging in close maneuverable battles with fighters, in general, that rat more
  41. 0
    9 December 2022 09: 25
    In swine herding, there are only heroes and exclusively with fascist call signs.
  42. 0
    9 December 2022 13: 24
    Seeing an ace from him is so-so, no, if the drone shot him down, apparently, an ace was sitting on the control of the drone
  43. 0
    9 December 2022 20: 47
    And they said that they have blue blood ... ((