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The authenticity of satellite images of the airfield in the Saratov region is being clarified after reports of the incident

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The authenticity of satellite images of the airfield in the Saratov region is being clarified after reports of the incident

A number of Telegram channels publish satellite images of a military airfield in Engels, Saratov. Long-range and strategic aircraft are based there. aviation Russian Aerospace Forces.


These pictures are of particular interest after morning reports that an incident occurred at this military facility. There were publications with statements from unknown persons about alleged "damage to aircraft."

The Ministry of Defense reported that the airfields near Ryazan and Engels were attacked with the help of drones, but the air defense system intercepted the UAVs flying at low altitude. However, as a result of the fall and explosion, incidents occurred at the airfields. In particular, it is reported that the hull skin of two aircraft was slightly damaged by the wreckage. What kind of aircraft are we talking about and at what airfield, it is not said.

The captions for satellite images say that they were taken today - after reports of the incident. If this is true, then we can state that there are no visible damage to the infrastructure, including the runway, traces of fire, or damaged aircraft.



Meanwhile, a number of media outlets say that they tried to strike the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the help of the Soviet-designed UAV Tu-141 Strizh. It is stated that they flew over 600 km at low altitudes. Ultimately they were shot down.

In such a situation, the possibility of creating special shelters for aircraft at Russian airfields, or at least increasing the level of camouflage, certainly does not lose its relevance. Experts are also discussing the possibility of dispersing strategic aviation equipment over various airfields, so that the enemy's chances of damaging several aircraft at once are minimal, or better, completely reduced to zero.

Earlier, information was received that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin was informed about the incidents in the Kaluga and Saratov regions. However, there are no official reports on the authenticity of satellite images published online yet. In this regard, the authenticity of the pictures is being clarified.
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  1. navigator777
    navigator777 5 December 2022 22: 19
    +43
    Well, at least a few strategic airfields can be blocked normally, one Tu160 probably costs like 10 Shells, can’t they create 2-3 lines of defense around the airfield?
    1. acetophenone
      acetophenone 5 December 2022 22: 22
      +10
      Your question contains the answer. Your question contains the answer.
      1. SergioCDS
        SergioCDS 6 December 2022 00: 19
        -29
        ... - I agree.
        ... - ask Solovyov and Montyan - ...
        (... - WHERE BMPT "Terminator", A-50, BE-200, TOS-1A "Solntsepyok", TOS-2 "Tosochka", and other systems, ... - but, as USUALLY, after the USSR, WE HELP WITH OUR WORLD TO OUR WARRIORS, WHAT THEY NEED ... and not "pi-zhom"! "like Pamagashi Nightingale")
        ... -
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 6 December 2022 00: 50
          +6
          With Montyan, what is the demand? In general, she is an extremely adequate aunt, unlike Solovyov, despite the strange manner of communication.
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            1. alexmach
              alexmach 6 December 2022 11: 12
              -1
              No, it's objectively weird. She spoke about it herself, she has "nuances". Her manner of speaking is very aggressive, in the worst traditions of noisy political shows and abnormal Maidan activists, which contrasts very much with the very adequate and reasonable position that she conveys.
              1. nickname7
                nickname7 7 December 2022 11: 45
                0
                Her way of speaking is very aggressive.

                Montyan is a lawyer, and the public likes his manner of speaking, Zhirinovsky was also popular for this reason.
          2. SergioCDS
            SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 49
            -9
            ... and in Zhukovsky, "Biden and Obama" also stole the equipment? ... - I would like to see it from the CAMERAS WHICH SHOULD COVER ALL "dead zones" TO LOOK AT THIS; )
        2. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 6 December 2022 01: 33
          -9
          ... - to the "minus" ... - ... and WHERE is the A50 in 24\24 mode like the enemy ???!
          (... - during the Second World War, "wandering" mortars, artillery, etc. WITH THE HELP OF PAIRS (audio reconnaissance points) OPENED in 3-4 shelling ... - GEOMETRY has changed ???! (... even with ordinary phones you can create a PZN - (https://www.drive2.ru/c/485475891300795123/) - ... maybe I'm one MORON ... - (selection - Personal Computer - to help)))
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 6 December 2022 02: 58
            -7
            How many of those A-50s are left? Without a dozen 1-2?
            And what, those that still remember Soviet Tashkent? 1984-1988 years of birth.
            They are simply cherished, because there is nothing to replace. They do not want to spend the rest of the resource.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 6 December 2022 05: 11
              +6
              They are simply cherished, because there is nothing to replace. They do not want to spend the rest of the resource.

              don't write nonsense. Take a trip to the Sochi-Novorossiysk region, where you can constantly see AWACS taking off. And about the resource - do you have any ideas why ARZ exist?
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 6 December 2022 13: 07
                -3
                And what about ARZ? After all, we are talking mainly about electronic equipment that is 35-40 years old, assembled on transistors and primitive logic circuits.
                Semiconductors of this age do not always work correctly or get very hot.
                And there is nothing to repair / replace blocks with - such ancient components have not been made for a long time.
                This is about the A-50.

                There are several upgraded A-50Us. There, yes, something was changed to a more modern, albeit imported one.
                And it is not clear what they should do in the Sochi-Novorossiysk region. It is expediently located in Belarus and the same Kursk region.
                And in the South it is good to work from the Crimea.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 6 December 2022 15: 21
                  +2
                  And in the South it is good to work from the Crimea.

                  Do you propose to take off practically a passenger airliner, glowing at all frequencies under the gun of the S-300?
                  Why are you all critics so one-sided...
                  1. SergioCDS
                    SergioCDS 13 December 2022 00: 54
                    -2
                    ... - but WITH x * y * ya * IS THERE STILL NO AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM similar to the USSR OVER Crimea? (Rust was "led" along the ECHELON!!!)
                    In the USSR, the neighboring air defense division COVERED AT LEAST 25% of the neighboring one FROM BOTH SIDES. ACCORDINGLY - ... count from 180 gr ... -
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 13 December 2022 11: 57
                      0
                      Do you propose to take off practically a passenger airliner, glowing at all frequencies under the gun of the S-300?

                      and WITH x * y * i * IS THERE STILL NO AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM similar to the USSR OVER Crimea? (Rust was "led" along the ECHELON!!!)

                      I understand you correctly what you are suggesting. build an Air Defense System for Air Defense Protection..
                      Well, I don’t even know how to answer you so that I wouldn’t be banned.
                      Maybe you don't need to express your thoughts about air defense publicly?
                2. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 7 December 2022 11: 30
                  +3
                  Semiconductors of this age do not always work correctly or get very hot.

                  everything is working. Americans in the air defense system still have information entry systems on floppy drives.
                  And it is not clear what they should do in the Sochi-Novorossiysk region. It is expediently located in Belarus and the same Kursk region.

                  Well, when you become the commander of the Air Force, you will plan the flights of our AWACS aircraft. In the meantime, they fly from Krymsk and from Sochi
          2. Kotofeich
            Kotofeich 6 December 2022 06: 35
            +2
            Quote from Sergio CDS
            ... maybe I'm one MORON.

            When you communicate with people - do not yell.
            1. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 01
              -1
              ... - today - asked.
              ... - and ANSWERS ... - 0 figs tenths ...!!!? (... some kind of "tinsel" - NOT A SINGLE TTO ... - only "immotions" LIKE BAB-KHABALOK, as in "HOUSE-1-2 ...")
          3. Vladimir Yurievich
            Vladimir Yurievich 6 December 2022 12: 50
            +1
            Quote from Sergio CDS
            - ... and WHERE is the A50 in 24\24 mode like the enemy ???!

            In the same place where all our achievements are: drone armadas, Su-57 squadrons, T-14 divisions, combat lasers and other weapons "based on new physical principles", that is ... on paper.
        3. Anatoly 288
          Anatoly 288 6 December 2022 02: 04
          +17
          It flew through the entire European part, almost to the border with Kazakhstan and was only discovered above the airfield ... I remember they laughed at the European air defense when the analogue flew to Croatia. From every iron they yell about our best air defense in the world! Today was the moment of truth. Military uniforms, radios, rusty weapons,,, and so on, anyone can add. There are many questions to the Ministry of Defense! (Shoigu, stop playing tank biathlon, take care of your duties!)
        4. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 07
          -17
          ... "Mnusovschik" ... - and let's "anthill" TOS-2 "Tosochka" or at least TOS-1A "Solntsepyok" (of which there SHOULD be HUNDREDS ...) - ... LET'S CUT ... -? (... TTX - "GRAD" and ALL "chimeras" - .. just resting ... - 4 TOS-1 batteries "cover a sheep like a bull" ANY "wandering" "GRADS")
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            1. Essex62
              Essex62 6 December 2022 09: 53
              +1
              Actually, the Berievskaya flying punt was originally intended for other purposes. Well, there, in the USSR.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 6 December 2022 11: 02
                +1
                Quote: Essex62
                Actually, the Berievskaya flying punt was originally intended for other purposes. Well, there, in the USSR.

                In the USSR there was an A-40. And the Be-200 is his younger brother, pure PSS or emergency.
                Why Shoigu ordered them, and partly in the "fire" version - there is a great secret. A competition was posted on bmpd to design a hydroaerodrome for them - so this cuttlefish requires a double set of infrastructure for itself: an ordinary airfield with a strip of about three kilometers, and a hydroaerodrome with all the slips and equipment.
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 6 December 2022 11: 23
                  -2
                  Why did you order? Duc drank, dear people. There are some other goodies, in this regard, to him in the application.
                  1. TiRex
                    TiRex 7 December 2022 02: 04
                    +1
                    Or maybe he didn’t want to let the plant producing them die?
                    1. Essex62
                      Essex62 7 December 2022 09: 36
                      -1
                      May be. And with nothing else to puzzle the plant in any way, rationally, according to its profile? I remember in the Second World War from seeders to anti-aircraft guns
                      rebuilt, but in the open.
              2. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 06
                -2
                ... Are you sure?
                You ALL Beriev's PRODUCTS embodied in flying models WOULD ALWAYS "look", BASED ON MODERN MATERIALS, AVIONICS, AUTOMATION, AUTOMATION ???
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 13 December 2022 10: 10
                  0
                  What are you yelling at all the time?
                  I looked at all products, do not hesitate. We are talking about a specific model. Expensive, richly the Union could afford it, it had a powerful economy. And only one criterion of expediency has subsided - to cut down. And so it is in all areas. In any project, for every 10 rubles invested, 8 "mastered" by whoever needs it. And then - "there is no money, but hold out."
    2. neworange88
      neworange88 5 December 2022 22: 22
      +16
      There is some information about this.
      On December 5, the Strizh UAV flew 650 km and attacked 2 long-range airfields of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the Ryazan and Saratov regions.


      Although before that they shot down.
      .12 April "Strizh" was shot down by the Russian army in the Kharkov region.
      On June 29, a Tu-141 of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was shot down near Kursk, there were no casualties or damage.
      On July 3, the Swifts were shot down near Kursk.
      September 14 "Swift" fell on the Stavropol Territory, 5 people were injured in the village of Kendzhe-Kulak, Turkmen region.

      https://rusvesna.su/news/1670263126

      Photos of the damage to the TU-22M3 bomber at the Dyagilevo airfield near Ryazan at the link below.
      From a different angle: damage to a TU-22M3 bomber at the Dyagilevo airfield near Ryazan as a result of an UAV attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine
      Visible damage to the tail and nozzle.
      Apparently the enemy tried to blow up the tanker.

      https://t.me/RVvoenkor/33347
      https://t.me/RVvoenkor/33346

      .UAVs flying at low altitude were intercepted by air defense forces. As a result of the fall and explosion at the airfields of the UAV wreckage, the skin of the hull of two aircraft was slightly damaged. 3 Russian military technical personnel were fatally wounded.

      https://rusvesna.su/news/1670259530
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 5 December 2022 22: 31
        +34
        Damn, some kind of Rust-2 on Red Square (1987)
        Although, then for him, large Soviet military officials flew.
        1. zloybond
          zloybond 5 December 2022 22: 48
          +76
          In our country, no one flew anywhere for half of the foreign exchange reserve - they sit in their warm positions with good salaries.
          They begin to itch only when they receive a pendel from the sharovarniks.
          One rear guard of the cardinal was stealing - they were simply transferred to inspectors in a warm place to write smart books. Even the title of academician was not deprived, not even that shoulder straps .... Theater of the absurd.
          The army is fighting. The ball is ruled by the oligarchic barefoot. Some talk about a grain deal, an ammonia pipeline, deliveries of gas, oil to the enemy .... Hucksters. hi
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 5 December 2022 23: 07
            +1
            Quote: zloybond
            Nobody flew anywhere for half of our foreign exchange reserve

            The latest information is that out of our frozen 300 billion dollars, the West cannot find 200 billion winked
            1. zloybond
              zloybond 5 December 2022 23: 22
              +4
              Because they have already cut Russian money, and now they are looking for reasons to get away with it. They warn in advance that they will not be able to return something ... most of it for sure.
              1. Turtle
                Turtle 6 December 2022 06: 36
                -2
                Quote: zloybond
                They warn you that they won't be able to return...

                Do they have extra citizens? There is no one to disassemble into organs? We will put our snout in a puddle, we will press the back of the head with our boot so that they do not emerge - everyone will be found, with interest.
            2. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 34
              -1
              ... - You Ursula, Joe, Joseph and others like them "whispered in your ear"?!!!
          2. AAK
            AAK 5 December 2022 23: 24
            +18
            Hucksters - in criminal communities they are not on their own, but all under the "watchers" ... and for the passage of the "swift" through the entire European part of Russia, one must definitely seriously deal with air defense officers, through whose areas of responsibility UAVs (in fact - "fool "almost the size of a MiG-21 with a very large EPR ...)
          3. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 34
            +5
            Maybe they will also be awarded a closed order sad
        2. 4ekist
          4ekist 5 December 2022 23: 20
          +17
          It is stated that they flew over 600 km at low altitudes. Ultimately they were shot down.

          I do not believe that the Strizh flew the entire route at low altitudes at a speed of 700-800 km / h. It turns out that he was in the air for about 1 hour. and was able to overcome two air defense zones, including the radar facilities of two zonal air traffic control centers, and no one saw him (even visually). Of course, they will not tell us this, it will be for an internal investigation.
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 6 December 2022 01: 54
            +1
            Quote: 4ekist
            I do not believe that the Strizh flew the entire route at low altitudes at a speed of 700-800 km / h.

            Why? The swift was assembled in Kharkov, and the turbojet engine in Zaporozhye. All documentation for the airframe, drives and engine should have been preserved. Moreover, both the airframe and the engines could be used in Soviet production, if the resource of the engines allowed. What are the problems?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 6 December 2022 11: 42
              +1
              Why?

              And he, with an inertial guidance system, cannot have enough accuracy to hit the airfield at such a range. Unless they screwed something up there.
              1. Vladimir Postnikov
                Vladimir Postnikov 6 December 2022 12: 44
                +3
                Quote: alexmach
                Unless they screwed something up there.

                Don't know. But "podshamanil" - quite likely. In this matter, their capabilities are wider than ours. I don't see any problems. You don't even need to invent anything. It requires only the layout of ready-made components. For the West, this is nothing. And such a Swift will fly both at low altitude (tracking the terrain), and along a programmed trajectory (checking with GPS), and it will perform an anti-aircraft maneuver.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 6 December 2022 15: 18
                  0
                  It requires only the layout of ready-made components.

                  Well, you still need to integrate these ready-made components into a Soviet drone, into its control system 40+ years ago. Not that it would be fundamentally impossible, but it's not nothing either.
                  And such a Swift will fly both at low altitude (tracking the terrain), and along a programmed trajectory (checking with GPS), and it will perform an anti-aircraft maneuver.

                  Well, yes. to do this, you just need to create another control system, for an apparatus that has not been produced for many years and is available in comic copies. Don't know. Incredible in my opinion.
                  1. Vladimir Postnikov
                    Vladimir Postnikov 6 December 2022 16: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Well, yes. to do this, you just need to create another control system, for an apparatus that has not been produced for many years and is available in comic copies. Don't know. Incredible in my opinion.

                    You think in terms of 50-70 years. last century. After the advent of industrial controllers for many technical devices, there was no need to create special control systems. And after the advent of the microprocessor in 1975, the size of controllers was reduced to a minimum. Here in the VO, the masses were offended when Russia was suspected of using "chips" from washing machines. So, we meant just universal programmable controllers that are used in non-military equipment. Controllers don't care what they control. They have standardized inputs and outputs. You insert such a controller into the rocket, connect the inputs (altitude, speed, positioning (GPS) sensors, etc.), connect the existing actuators through the outputs, program - and the old woman will fly. Yes, the old woman is old, but the engine is uneconomical, and the charge is not optimal, but it will fly in and gouge. And thanks to the controllers, all this will be inexpensive.
                    This is not unbelievable. This is the reality of today. It was on the basis of controllers that I proposed to create a drone control system for the Polar Route. There you would have to write a program for just one device. And believe that it is much cheaper than creating a special control system like the 60-80s. This is how things are now.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 6 December 2022 17: 34
                      -2
                      Controllers don't care what they control

                      through the outputs, connect the existing actuators, program - and the old woman will fly

                      There is only one bad luck in this whole idyllic picture - the actuators for each product are different, after all :). Especially with such a special product.
                      1. Vladimir Postnikov
                        Vladimir Postnikov 6 December 2022 18: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: alexmach
                        There is only one bad luck in this whole idyllic picture - the actuators for each product are different, after all :). Especially with such a special product.

                        I see that you are not an engineer, and not even a technician. I will not explain the principles of ACS operation. Find it online if you're interested. hi
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 6 December 2022 20: 35
                        -1
                        I see that you are not an engineer, and not even a technician

                        Oh lol.
              2. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 45
                0
                ... - AS EVERYTHING "legacy", and DID it during "Minsk-1" and "Minsk-2" - ONLY in the Russian Federation "didn't see this", but they didn't modernize the FAB for 20tyr per piece (.. - with the welding of this block, the FABs would turn into a high-precision warhead, with a RANGE of up to 100 km).
                ... - and "STRIZH" "upgrade", with ACCESS to MAIL and "alik", etc. - only the "victim" EG will not be able to ...; - )
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 13 December 2022 10: 19
                  0
                  with welding of this block, FABs would turn into a high-precision warhead, with a RANGE of up to 100 km)

                  Fabs do not turn into such weapons, no fabs, neither ours nor American ones with their JADAM.
        3. 4ekist
          4ekist 5 December 2022 23: 25
          +2
          Terenin: ... Although, then for him, large Soviet military ranks flew.

          Let's say a big "thank you" to the now deceased M.S. Gorbachev.
        4. YOUR
          YOUR 6 December 2022 04: 48
          +7
          Unclear. The distance to Engels is more than 1000 km in a straight line. And that at all this distance not a single radar detected a target? I don't believe in my life!!! But if so, then our country is defenseless before an air attack.
          I looked at the distance from Donetsk to Ryazan and almost 800 km is also almost impressive, so this is from Donetsk, if the launches were from the territory of Ukraine, then the distance is even greater. And RTV didn't see anything. This is some nonsense. Pre-reformed
      2. Hanurik
        Hanurik 6 December 2022 06: 26
        +3
        How about a question like this? The dead technicians participated in fact in the SVO, and died on it. Are their families entitled to payments?
    3. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 22: 33
      +41
      can't they create 2-3 lines of defense around the airfield?

      These are all half measures ... the planes stand as if on parade ... crowded in one place ... an excellent target and goal for the Americans and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
      In addition, there are no hangars, parking lots are not embanked ... in general, I don’t want to hit the airfield ... the cost of all this splendor is enormous and can be destroyed cheaply and angrily with old Soviet drones.
      With one blow, you can leave the country without a large number of strategists ... the Americans decided to repeat the sudden trick as it was with "Moscow".
      Someone should be shot from the leadership of the NWO for such an attitude towards the protection of a strategic object.
      It is difficult to find a greater disgrace ... this is no longer funny ... the fate of the country should not depend on the sloppiness in the Russian Ministry of Defense.
      1. AAK
        AAK 5 December 2022 23: 28
        +9
        And here, colleague, the leadership, or rather the command of the NMD - nothing to do with the word absolutely, this strategic object is directly subordinate to the command of the corresponding air army, and the flight passed over the areas of responsibility of the corresponding air defense units ... and there you have to choose who smear green on the forehead ...
      2. AnAAsd
        AnAAsd 6 December 2022 00: 08
        +11
        We must start with Shoigu.
        And the planes are so worth it - for airborne biathlon.
      3. 28st region
        28st region 6 December 2022 05: 11
        +4
        I will tell you as an air defense officer. There was never and there are no lines of defense around the air bases. The reason is that the interception range of the air defense system is large, they are defending not a specific object, but an area. The airbase itself has its own radar stations and that's it. All these frontiers that are proposed above, our air defense will need to be increased dozens if not hundreds of times. The number of the armed forces will increase accordingly. Too expensive for the country. The entire industry will work only for the defense industry. Something like that.
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        2. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 6 December 2022 08: 40
          -5
          .. or the SA "ENGELS" BASE SHOULD NOT BE PROTECTED by "tactical air defense systems" such as "OSA", "TOR", etc. ???!
          ... - about the fact that you are an "air defense officer" and "justifications" for the absence of air defense lines - pour into the ears of the "USE-shniks".
          ... - as an "air defense officer" REPEAT by reading YOUR KNOWLEDGE about OBJECT AIR DEFENSE, WHICH SHOULD BE A STRATEGIC AVIATION BASE.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 6 December 2022 11: 48
            0
            or SA "ENGELS" BASE SHOULD NOT BE PROTECTED by "tactical air defense systems" such as "OSA", "TOR", etc. ???!

            E. m. Are these the military air defense systems or what? Those that cover troops on the immediate line of contact in battle formations? A base 1000 kilometers from the border? Well, they shouldn't.
            1. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 26
              0
              ... - for the STRATEGIC OBJECT OF THE FORCES OF NAO - THIS IS THE EXTREME LINE (AGAIN I apologize FOR the "caps look"!) - FOR THOSE WHO "minus" - BEFORE THIS, there were 3 FRONTIERS in the USSR, NOT CONSIDERING the so-called. "over-the-horizon" (WHICH is restored with a "creak"). AND 3 MORE AIR AND ABM LINES over Particularly Important Objects - which IS the ENGELS base (... and not "13,4 zdezh" in 99% of "nothing" Solovyov)
      4. N3onMiami
        N3onMiami 6 December 2022 07: 50
        -1
        Nobody will be punished. They will quietly transfer to another position, hush it up, popular money, and tell the people a fairy tale on TV. He will gobble up and will continue to endure.
        They themselves chose them and brought them to power.
        1. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 13 December 2022 01: 29
          0
          ... - I agree! (... and AS usual, from "all dummies" they will "broadcast": - "Oh, what a good fellow!")
      5. Vladimir Yurievich
        Vladimir Yurievich 6 December 2022 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Someone should be shot from the leadership of the NWO for such an attitude towards the protection of a strategic object.


        And how would you advise to treat those who so "competently" planned, "well" prepared, "fully" provided, "successfully" started and stubbornly continues to conduct an operation whose goals are very few people understand, well, unless, of course, someone else remembers why (!) it was all started ...
        Any analogy is false, but while Russian soldiers and ordinary citizens are dying in their own way, European deputies want to recognize our state (it’s good that it’s not a country!) Terrorist ...
    4. dementor873
      dementor873 5 December 2022 23: 23
      +7
      So back in 2018, the construction of reinforced concrete caponiers began, but apparently this is from an opera on paper, we have 1.5 million, you know what and you yourself know where, but ...
      1. Johnson Smithson
        Johnson Smithson 6 December 2022 02: 10
        +5
        the Tu-95 has dimensions of 50x50 meters, are there such caponiers?
        1. Arisaka
          Arisaka 6 December 2022 04: 52
          +2


          Apparently, it's not just us. I can't imagine the size of such storage.
          1. aglet
            aglet 6 December 2022 11: 28
            +2
            "I have little idea of ​​the size of such a vault."
            storage can be built any, even manually, the pharaohs will not let you lie. and that b52 are openly standing - so xoxly will not shoot at them, and no one will
          2. the most important
            the most important 7 December 2022 21: 54
            0
            Quote from Arisaka
            Apparently, it's not just us. I can't imagine the size of such storage.

            Look at the YouTube "Sanya in Florida", it shows the dimensions of such a storage.
        2. Jcvai
          Jcvai 6 December 2022 04: 55
          +7
          If you use "generals' dachas" for hangars, several strategists will fit there with a margin ... and the roads that have been laid down are often not inferior in quality to the runway.
      2. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 6 December 2022 10: 24
        +1
        So back in 2018, the construction of reinforced concrete caponiers began, but apparently this is from an opera on paper, we have 1.5 million, you know what and you yourself know where, but ...

        And they also started building fences on the border with Russia. And where are the fences now, and where is the "builder"? laughing
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 December 2022 11: 07
        0
        Quote: dementor873
        So back in 2018, the construction of reinforced concrete caponiers began, but apparently this is from an opera on paper, we have 1.5 million, you know what and you yourself know where, but ...

        Reinforced concrete shelters are being built for tactical aviation.
        The Tu-22M3 has a wingspan of more than 23 m, the Tu-95MS has more than 50 m. There, the maximum possible is the embankment of parking lots.
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    6. Argon
      Argon 6 December 2022 00: 46
      +1
      This sounds like a warning! if the Pinds nevertheless hand over long-range MLRS to the Ukrainians?
    7. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 01: 19
      +3
      He is not like 10, he is like 500 shells
    8. insafufa
      insafufa 7 December 2022 10: 54
      -1
      Wrong costs like 17 shells with BC, the cost of one Tu is 160 250 mil green, and the shell is 14 mil green.
    9. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 9 December 2022 01: 05
      0
      ...- NAIVE You ... - read my messages and FEEDBACK... -
  2. Arkady007
    Arkady007 5 December 2022 22: 22
    -13
    What shelters for large planes? Think then who will before you say?
    To put in checkered order is still all right. Plus a mesh cape, maybe it will give something from optical intelligence.
    The first question is for air defense. Where did you look?
    1. the most important
      the most important 5 December 2022 22: 57
      +20
      Quote: Arkady007
      What shelters for large planes?

      Big planes - big shelters! Stadiums are built with roofs for 100 spectators, but there is no money for airplanes?? Aircraft, as well as tanks, cars, infantry fighting vehicles, etc., in general, everything should be in shelters and stored in warm garages and hangars, and not stand in winter and summer in the rain and snow.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 6 December 2022 11: 49
        +1
        Stadiums are built with roofs for 100 spectators

        And this roof will protect against any ASP?
        1. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 9 December 2022 01: 19
          0
          ... - .. we "exist" in TIMES "The Submarine Base in Lorient or the Keroman Submarine Base is a complex of bunkers for submarines from the Second World War, located at the tip of the Keroman Peninsula in the port of Lorient (Brittany, France) with access to the Bay of Biscay .
    2. sledak
      sledak 5 December 2022 22: 59
      +23
      Quote: Arkady007

      The first question is for air defense. Where did you look?


      Where they are flying, they probably watched all 600 km of the flight and "shot down", when it finally dawned on where they were flying, what they would not carry over and what they had to shoot down, at the last moment, heroically, so to speak!

      And I can also imagine how those donkeys in the Pentagon who developed this operation are sitting, and they think that we are stupid, because we could knock out one component of the nuclear triad at once and why didn’t we launch 10-20 Carcasses ...
      I scoff, remembering peppy reports about the creation of continuous radar coverage around the entire perimeter of the country against the background of the corresponding map.

      The goalkeeper with the ball in his hands at the gate beyond the white line is still a goal.
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 5 December 2022 23: 31
        +23
        sledak ..... Where they are flying, they probably watched all 600 km of flight and "shot down" ....

        Frankly, I doubt that he was shot down. Now you can say anything. Still fell into the parking lot. If he had fallen on approach to the airfield, he would have believed it. And this is the same as the forelocks say about dozens of downed missiles, the main thing is that they somehow counteracted.
      2. AAK
        AAK 5 December 2022 23: 32
        +9
        Colleague, we didn’t even have an absolutely continuous coverage of the territory of the radar station, but 90-95 percent were really visible, now only Moscow is relatively covered by air defense, well, in a significant part of the Kola and Kaliningrad "bastions", well, maybe - Crimea. .. and that's it...
        1. AAK
          AAK 5 December 2022 23: 33
          +1
          Yes, perhaps Peter and Kamchatka with Vladik
        2. sledak
          sledak 6 December 2022 00: 06
          +2
          Quote: AAK
          Colleague, we didn’t even have an absolutely continuous coverage of the territory of the radar station, but 90-95 percent were really visible, now only Moscow is relatively covered by air defense, well, in a significant part of the Kola and Kaliningrad "bastions", well, maybe - Crimea. .. and that's it...


          Wait, here's the article:
          Russia's improved missile attack warning system to go on duty in 2021 - general designer
          Moscow. October 15th. INTERFAX - The Advanced Missile Attack Warning System (SPRN) is expected to enter combat duty next year, Sergei Boev, general designer of the SPRN, told Interfax on Thursday.
          https://vpk.name/news/455128_usovershenstvovannaya_sistema_preduprezhdeniya_o_raketnom_napadenii_v_rf_zastupit_na_dezhurstvo_v_2021_godu-genkonstruktor.html

          And here is the map from the article:
          1. cold wind
            cold wind 6 December 2022 00: 12
            +4
            Do you understand what the article is about and what kind of picture is drawn?
            1. sledak
              sledak 6 December 2022 00: 22
              +2
              Quote from cold wind
              Do you understand what the article is about and what kind of picture is drawn?

              I understand that it can only warn about a missile attack, but the Tu-141 radar station Voronezh will not detect?
              1. cold wind
                cold wind 6 December 2022 00: 31
                +8
                Naturally, it won’t detect it, it’s physically impossible))) but you know, you understand)) here’s a picture, smoke)
                1. SergioCDS
                  SergioCDS 6 December 2022 01: 00
                  0
                  ... "objective air defense at OVO" - probably "superfluous" !!! ... - for the reason - "it is impossible to knock back "kickbacks" on the" out-source "and get" dachas-kvartiki-machines "...
          2. Johnson Smithson
            Johnson Smithson 6 December 2022 02: 14
            +3
            These radars are against ballistic missiles, they are sharpened to detect objects in space.
            1. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 9 December 2022 01: 02
              0
              ... - Your "rocket" - Tu-141 "Strizh" - TARGET for LIEUTENANTS "take-off and landing"
      3. SergioCDS
        SergioCDS 6 December 2022 00: 31
        +6
        ... - along the way, there are no "donkeys" in the PENTAGON and NATO! - since THERE IS A HIT at the STRATEGIC AVIATION airfield 600 km from the "line of armed conflict" - ...
        1. Klaus8691
          Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 43
          +9
          They are "donkeys" most likely because they hit quietly, and so the Donkeys are more likely with us ...
          1. sledak
            sledak 6 December 2022 11: 32
            +2
            Quote from Klaus8691
            They are "donkeys" most likely because they hit quietly, and so the Donkeys are more likely with us ...


            That is what he meant.
    3. Cympak
      Cympak 6 December 2022 00: 07
      +3
      What shelters for large planes?

      like these ones
      https://topwar.ru/11806-ocenka-vozmozhnostey-podzemnogo-bazirovaniya-vvs-kitaya-chast-5.html
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 December 2022 11: 09
        0
        Quote: Cympak
        like these ones
        https://topwar.ru/11806-ocenka-vozmozhnostey-podzemnogo-bazirovaniya-vvs-kitaya-chast-5.html

        So these are bases with shelters under the Su-27 and Il-28.
    4. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 6 December 2022 00: 24
      -3
      ... - and "Boeings" and "Airbass" in the PURE POLAND are collected by tens ???!
    5. Argon
      Argon 6 December 2022 00: 42
      +4
      Plus layouts should be. Let them think where the real plane is, and where is the mock-up.
    6. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 01: 18
      +2
      Quote: Arkady007
      What shelters for large planes? Think then who will before you say?
      To put in checkered order is still all right. Plus a mesh cape, maybe it will give something from optical intelligence.
      The first question is for air defense. Where did you look?


      Yes, indeed, because this plane is so big that the building for it will be the largest in the world))) it seems that someone else does not think
    7. insafufa
      insafufa 7 December 2022 10: 58
      -1
      Embankment of parking lots is quite within the power and equipment of individual parking lots. The maximum that can be built is a canopy for strategists so that it would not be visible what is happening inside
  3. navycat777
    navycat777 5 December 2022 22: 24
    +12
    In Soviet times, aircraft had PA bunded shelters. Now, even for strategists, the General Staff does not consider this necessary, for some reason?
    1. SlavaS
      SlavaS 5 December 2022 22: 38
      +33
      It used to be like this, Abandoned military airfield Smirnykh
      , created for the defense of Sakhalin.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 5 December 2022 22: 46
        +11
        Abandoned military airfield Smirnykh
        Of course, everything is true, only it was not built for strategists, but for the Su-15. Give an example of a caponier for a strategic bomber, pliz.
        1. SlavaS
          SlavaS 5 December 2022 22: 58
          +2
          You can arrange it wider, but in the same hangars, either it is there or maybe it is not there, so you need to make a good beam for 50m, but still real
        2. cold wind
          cold wind 5 December 2022 23: 00
          +24
          Do not tell fantasy stories, everything is built without the slightest problem.


          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 5 December 2022 23: 38
            +12
            Do not tell fantasy stories, everything is built without the slightest problem.

            these are ordinary hangars, not shelters.
            1. aglet
              aglet 6 December 2022 11: 40
              +2
              "these are ordinary hangars, not shelters"
              let there be hangars, shelters will be a little more expensive
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 6 December 2022 12: 45
                +1
                ordinary shelters (caponier, etc.) break through elementarily.
                there are enough hangars and simple means of passive protection, they just don’t exist as such at all.
          2. Wildcat
            Wildcat 6 December 2022 06: 14
            +5
            hi
            Entogo can not be!
            Is it possible to serve an aircraft with bare hands in winter, not in a sweatshirt in the snow?
            But how to endure the promised "hardships and hardships"?
            wassat
          3. insafufa
            insafufa 7 December 2022 11: 00
            -1
            Well, these are hangars not concrete shelters, their Yankees around the world have set up a lot
        3. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 23: 06
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          Give an example of a caponier for a strategic bomber, please.

          Well, at least a cover...
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 5 December 2022 23: 28
            +14
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Well, at least a cover...

            This is not a shelter, but a hangar, shelters only from the weather, Designed for repair and maintenance, and not for impact protection. Breaks from a machine gun. In the event of a hit, not even on an airplane, but in a hangar, both the first and second will burn. Only dispersal will save a technique of this size
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 23: 41
              +4
              The hangar is a shelter for protection from precipitation, for repairs, for preparing for a flight, for hiding preparations for departures, etc.
              For protection from machine guns and shells, it is better to dig underground bunkers with tunnels.
              In North Korea, Eun does this... smile
              Many interesting things are hidden in its multi-kilometer tunnels.
            2. newtc7
              newtc7 6 December 2022 01: 13
              -1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Well, at least a cover...

              This is not a shelter, but a hangar, shelters only from the weather, Designed for repair and maintenance, and not for impact protection. Breaks from a machine gun. In the event of a hit, not even on an airplane, but in a hangar, both the first and second will burn. Only dispersal will save a technique of this size


              This is if a bomb or a cruise missile, and if a kamikaze drone on which, in VIEW, there is always nothing, then the light design of the aircraft can save. In the current realities, such structures are necessary.
              P.s. And do not talk nonsense about the fact that it is impossible to build a normal protected hangar. A kilometer-high building means it’s possible, but what about a hangar with a small amount of reinforced concrete?
              1. insafufa
                insafufa 7 December 2022 11: 11
                -2
                The cross section of the beam should then be 6 meters thick according to yours. The Germans built hangars in time for egg-shaped warriors to protect their planes.
                spruce duck is placed in a caponier for an interceptor moment 25
                1. SergioCDS
                  SergioCDS 10 December 2022 17: 31
                  0
                  And where was the Il-96M / T assembled ???!
                  (First flight April 6, 1993)

                  DIMENSIONS
                  Wingspan - 60,105 m
                  Length - 63,939 m
                  Tail height - 15,717 m (IL-96-300 - 17,55 m)


                  Tu-160
                  (https://topwar.ru/16209-krylataya-gordost-rossii-chast-sedmaya-tu-160.html)

                  DIMENSIONS
                  wingspan (max) - 55,7 m, (min) - 35,6 m,
                  length - 54,1 m.,
                  height - 13,2 m.
            3. aglet
              aglet 6 December 2022 11: 45
              +2
              "This is not a shelter, but a hangar, it shelters only from bad weather"
              bury this hangar in the ground, here's your shelter. according to the strategists, no one will shoot from a machine gun at the airfield, and even an underground burial ground will not save from the right bomb. we are talking about covering the strategist from a satellite with a camera. hangar - completely!
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 6 December 2022 11: 58
                0
                Quote: aglet
                we are talking about covering the strategist from a satellite with a camera. hangar - completely!

                Hangars are even easier to photograph. Is it possible that no one will guess from the pictures why there are hangars at the airfield and what can be in them?
          2. SergioCDS
            SergioCDS 6 December 2022 02: 07
            -5
            ... - "Aviator_" - BABY. IF you have not seen MIG and SU HANGING on braces with nuclear warheads in the mine, and starting WITHOUT analysis ... - this does not mean that SUCH "cannot be"?!!! (... maybe "who" and "can't" - PERSONALLY SAW)
            1. Mityasha
              Mityasha 6 December 2022 09: 30
              +2
              "SergioCDS" is a baby, but did you see the Tu-160 on the braces in the mine, starting without a run, or at least the Tu-22? Toto!
              It is necessary to read, my friend, what is the dispute about!
              1. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 9 December 2022 00: 52
                0
                ... - have you seen "that MINE" UNIVERSAL for MIGs and Sushki in the Belarusian SWAMPS?
              2. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 9 December 2022 00: 55
                0
                ... I SAW IT WITH MY OWN "eyes"
              3. SergioCDS
                SergioCDS 9 December 2022 01: 10
                0
                ... - You confuse "warm with liquid" - ... DID I PROVIDE YOUR RELATIONS? - ... I told YOU HOW IT WAS ...
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 5 December 2022 23: 43
          +4
          Quote: Aviator_
          Abandoned military airfield Smirnykh
          It, of course, is all true, only it was not built for strategists, but for the Su-15.

          Smirnykh as an airfield was created by the Japanese and was called Keton in the 1940s.
        5. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 6 December 2022 00: 40
          +4
          ... i.e. Shopping center for 285000 m² is it possible??? - and the hangar for SEVERAL TU-160s - "Kudrinsko-Nabiulinskaya" "conscience" DOES NOT ALLOW ???!
          1. Mityasha
            Mityasha 6 December 2022 09: 33
            0
            Those. what is needed is not an ANGAR, but a reliable shelter from the means of destruction of the enemy. Even in the west there are no such shelters. Only dispersal around the world in small groups.
      2. vizit.bvngmail.com
        vizit.bvngmail.com 5 December 2022 22: 55
        +24
        How much money and effort was invested in such airfields, bases .... ??? a whole generation suffered, malnourished, and everything was handed over and pakhered in an instant
        Today we reap the rewards
        1. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 13 December 2022 00: 41
          0
          ... ONE "furniture maker" DESTROYED 290 "with kopecks" out of about 220 airfields. AND HOW MUCH FUCK THE * HERIL schools ... - AND STILL HE AND HIS RELATIVES "LIVE AND CELEBRATE ..." AND NOT ARRESTED WITH THE CONFIRMATION OF PROPERTY (I apologize for the "caps look" - it hurts ...)
      3. cash
        cash 5 December 2022 22: 59
        +24
        they used to know how to build, because they were preparing for war, but we were preparing for biathlons and darts ... there were no hangars and there are, and apparently there won’t be ... the experience of Syria has not taught anything
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      4. Dead duck
        Dead duck 5 December 2022 23: 37
        +2
        the Americans in Iraq showed what could happen with these shelters.
        Apparently they decided to leave the equipment under a clear sky.
      5. Vostok35
        Vostok35 5 December 2022 23: 54
        +1
        I was there when I studied at school, they took us on excursions at the NVP lessons and recently I was there too, everything is as it is in the photo, even in the hangar there are remains of the aircraft. And so drive along the lane publicly. Maybe they will revive it?
      6. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 December 2022 11: 12
        0
        Quote: SlavaS
        It used to be like this, Abandoned military airfield Smirnykh

        Uh-huh... a lot of money has been poured into these hideouts, building over 3500 of them. And then the generations of aircraft changed - and it turned out that the new standard IBA aircraft with a wingspan of 14,7 m do not fit into a shelter 12,9 m wide.
    2. N3onMiami
      N3onMiami 6 December 2022 07: 54
      +1
      Because it takes money. And it is easier and more pleasant to spend them on yourself, your mistresses, young women with generals' shoulder straps, on the construction of summer cottages, etc., and not on the country's defense capability.
  4. kventinasd
    kventinasd 5 December 2022 22: 27
    +7
    Putin has been informed about the incidents in the Kaluga and Saratov regions.

    Not in Kaluga, but in Ryazan. The author doesn't read what he posts.
  5. garik77
    garik77 5 December 2022 22: 27
    +23
    Quote: Arkady007
    The first question is for air defense. Where did you look?

    Yeah .. Swift weighs almost 5,3 tons. To miss such a piece of iron, it is necessary to try
  6. storm
    storm 5 December 2022 22: 28
    +13
    But in Khakassia they formed a whole regiment of Pantsyr-SM air defense systems, probably to protect Kozhugetovich's dacha?
    This regiment has the right place near Belgorod, and the fighters will undergo combat training and the region will be covered from shelling ...
    1. Guran33 Sergey
      Guran33 Sergey 6 December 2022 02: 05
      +7
      In Khakassia, the air defense of the Strategic Missile Forces Do not talk nonsense
      1. storm
        storm 6 December 2022 21: 37
        -1
        In Khakassia, the air defense of the Strategic Missile Forces Do not talk nonsense


        Read more often the news feed of the military-industrial complex, maybe you will be a little up to date with events ....
        1. Guran33 Sergey
          Guran33 Sergey 6 December 2022 22: 39
          0
          I live here, and I know exactly what the third district of the Strategic Missile Forces will be deployed to cover (for especially smart Strategic Missile Forces, strategic missile forces). Therefore, I am writing - do not drive nonsense from the zip and so
          1. storm
            storm 7 December 2022 09: 39
            0

            Guram, if you don’t know anything beyond your collective farm, this is your personal problem
            1. Guran33 Sergey
              Guran33 Sergey 7 December 2022 13: 43
              0
              You are a funny person! "The hut" of Shoigu is located in Tuva (Tyva, according to fashion) and this is 700 km to the south and this is a unit of the southern flank of the Strategic Missile Forces division. And in general, which guram did you turn to?
              1. storm
                storm 7 December 2022 15: 56
                0
                Guran 33 you are right like a child, they poked his nose into the facts, and he is still trying to portray "a good face with a bad game ..."
                1. Guran33 Sergey
                  Guran33 Sergey 7 December 2022 20: 44
                  0
                  I just know where exactly the regiment is deployed. Therefore, do not drive dregs and no one will ever correctly tell you in the press why and what the military is doing
                  1. storm
                    storm 7 December 2022 21: 34
                    0

                    I just know where exactly the regiment is stationed

                    Two posts above, you denied the very existence of this air defense regiment when you were poked with your nose
                    in the article it suddenly turns out that the "omniscient" Guran 33 even knows the location of this regiment ....

                    Everything is clear with you, flat blah blah blah .....
                    1. Guran33 Sergey
                      Guran33 Sergey 8 December 2022 07: 51
                      0
                      And where did I deny their existence? I just wrote that this is TsIPiSO all the dregs about protecting the "Shoigu hut" ..
  7. SlavaS
    SlavaS 5 December 2022 22: 28
    +21
    Can fictitious managers fight and defeat their master?
  8. svp67
    svp67 5 December 2022 22: 29
    +21
    The Ministry of Defense reported that the airfields near Ryazan and Engels were attacked with the help of drones, but the air defense system intercepted the UAVs flying at low altitude.

    Yeah .... HOW?????? How did they get through the layered air defense system in the NVO? Through a layered air defense system at the border? How did you go 600 km deep?????? It's worse than Rust. And if 10 or 100 of these UAVs participated in this raid? These Tupolev Design Bureau UAVs were produced in Kharkov at an aircraft factory, so that they have a stock, plus "Flights" ... In short, a NIGHTMARE
    However, as a result of the fall and explosion, incidents occurred at the airfields. In particular, it is reported that the hull skin of two aircraft was slightly damaged by the wreckage. What kind of aircraft are we talking about and at what airfield, it is not said.
    So far, there are pictures of the destroyed special vehicle and the damaged Tu-22M3 at the Dyagelevo airfield, near Ryazan. By the way, X-22s were already hanging under the plane, if they rushed .... I really can’t imagine what would be there
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 5 December 2022 22: 33
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Yeah .... HOW?????? How did they get through the layered air defense system in the NVO? Through a layered air defense system at the border? How did you go 600 km deep??????

      Something is doubtful. Rather, they were not TU-141s, but something more compact and launched near airfields.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 December 2022 22: 35
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        Rather, they were not TU-141s, but something more compact and launched near airfields.

        We are waiting for someone to remove their wreckage and put it on the net
      2. Sergey39
        Sergey39 5 December 2022 23: 01
        +9
        The same drone, once launched by panheads, fell in Zagreb, overcoming all NATO missile defense systems!
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 5 December 2022 22: 38
      +12
      Yes, there is no trite everywhere this very layered defense.
    3. cold wind
      cold wind 5 December 2022 22: 45
      +10
      It's simple.
      There is no layered air defense system, there is a focal one that can be circled. You can't change physics and common sense with propaganda.
      I don’t believe that it was a flight / swift, it’s impossible to hit it so accurately. There was another UAV they might have announced.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 5 December 2022 22: 58
        +8
        So far, there is only that it was that 141, there is no other information. It is impossible to confuse the fragments of a swift with something. Perhaps it was possible to modernize the swift guidance system, then this explains the accuracy. If so, then this is bad news.
      2. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 6 December 2022 01: 10
        +2
        other UAV
        For example, another bomb was placed.
        120 kg
        A Soviet-made Tu-141 Strizh drone that crashed in Zagreb was carrying a 120 kg aerial bomb on board. This was announced on Sunday, March 13, on the air of the national Croatian television.
        113 kg
        The GBU-39/B Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) is a 250 lb (113 kg) precision glide bomb. Reuters, citing its sources, reports (https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/100-mile-strike-weapon-weighed-ukraine-arms-makers-wrestle-with-demand-sources-2022- 11-28/) that the Pentagon is considering Boeing's offer to supply Ukraine with GLSDB systems. The combat part of the complex is the GBU-39B SDB bomb.
        The initial SDB is equipped with an inertial navigation system with GPS to attack fixed/stationary targets such as fuel depots, bunkers, etc. The second version (Raytheon GBU-53/B SDB II) will include a thermal seeker and radar with automatic
        target recognition
        to engage mobile targets such as tanks, vehicles and mobile command posts.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-39_Small_Diameter_Bomb
        Shot down.
        I dropped it and went higher for video recording.
      3. storm
        storm 6 December 2022 21: 42
        0
        I don’t believe that it was a flight / swift, it’s impossible to get it so accurately


        You can put modern GOS on Flights and they will get "a pretty penny" ....
    4. navigator777
      navigator777 5 December 2022 22: 48
      +7
      It was very easy to pass through the air defense, we have it not continuous, there are always holes, that's why NATO scouts fly, identifying holes in the air defense, and then they paved the route around the focal air defense.
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 5 December 2022 23: 40
        +3
        navigator777:.... It was very easy to pass through the air defense, it is not continuous with us, there are always holes,

        There are no holes! Air defense systems operate according to a special schedule and there is probably a continuous radar field at low altitudes. Moreover, it was necessary to overcome the zone of the Volgodonsk nuclear power plant and the zone of a whole bunch of military airfields and radar equipment of the EU ATM.
    5. Dead duck
      Dead duck 5 December 2022 23: 40
      +5
      How?!... everything is the same as before.
      There were people here who warned about all this kotovasiya a long time ago, but they were usually called "all weeders". All is well in the country.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 December 2022 00: 15
      +4
      Does it exist - a continuous layered air defense system? There is no such, there is only focal. You can find a route and fly between these "centers". All NATO intelligence works for the Sumerians
    7. Guran33 Sergey
      Guran33 Sergey 6 December 2022 02: 07
      -1
      This is to the question of the efficiency of USSR technology
  9. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 5 December 2022 22: 32
    +19
    The damage to the aircraft can be seen in the background.
  10. cold wind
    cold wind 5 December 2022 22: 34
    +10
    Photo and satellite image from the Dyagilevo airfield.


    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 5 December 2022 22: 48
      +34
      Well ... What can I say ... Here everyone was so proud of the "unparalleled in the world" complexes s-350-400-500 ... The near boundary of space is within reach ... Multiple overlapping of all heights, which has no analogues in the world of air defense: "Relights", "S-350-400-500", "Beeches", "Torami", "Shells", "Verbs" ... Yeah. Apparently, we will have to wait for the imminent arrival of drones and missiles to Moscow, to Red Square .... Everything is "going according to plan" and "we have not started yet." Yes.
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 25
        +8
        The Generals are all hurt, everything is super reported to Putin. So super, that if not the legacy of the USSR, which only produced golosh, then sad
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 6 December 2022 00: 24
          +4
          A few years ago, here at VO, sober assessments were given of the armed forces that were being created - the "strelkovtsy" called them the "PR army", that is, the army that existed in the form of "ceremonial crews" and "exhibition models" called by their "outrageous opportunities" to intimidate potential adversaries. They were also called here, "cartoons". Even then, there were statements that the military-industrial complex had lost the possibility of mass production, due to the limitation of its capacities, and could only produce single copies of weapons or conduct small-scale production, which was absolutely insufficient to saturate the troops with modern weapons, even in peacetime, and that more in times of war. In addition, the models of new weapons being developed are unnecessarily complex and not suitable for mass production, and their declared characteristics have not been properly tested. But who then paid attention to this - everyone reveled in "achievements", without even thinking about how real these "achievements" are and can strengthen the country's defense capability in a real military conflict.
          1. Klaus8691
            Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 46
            +1
            That's for sure, but the population was shown "analogue" cartoons and tank biathlon with parades ... So we have what we have.
      2. skeptick2
        skeptick2 6 December 2022 00: 31
        +6
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Apparently, we will have to wait for the imminent arrival of drones and missiles in Moscow, on Red Square

        More than a month ago I was here, when Iranian Shaheeds (pardon, of course, Russian Geraniums) were enthusiastically praised on this resource, I asked the question: what will happen if the boomerang returns?
        What will happen if, after the amazing advertisement of the Martyrs, made by our media, the enemy starts to rivet their counterparts? Not necessarily even at home, is it possible in Poland, for example, in the Baltic states? After all, the design of this apparatus is simple to the point of primitivism, and there are no sanctions on the other side. And what will happen when these products fly (and they will definitely fly - or have they already flown?) To us?
        The answer seems to be beginning to emerge.
        1. Klaus8691
          Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 50
          +3
          But they will be able to surpass our "mopeds" many times over in accuracy and power with the support of the West.
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      4. Guran33 Sergey
        Guran33 Sergey 6 December 2022 14: 33
        0
        don’t be spiteful, it’s like such a bird recently flew over two NATO countries and there was no airborne alarm anywhere and fell a little before reaching the city .. I’m talking about the quality of the products of the USSR, Our close air defense shot them down ..
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 5 December 2022 22: 49
      +10
      No words ... request I understand if it was a border airfield... but it's already in the depths of Russia... the vulnerability of our airfield defense system is obvious... it looks like a systemic problem. what
      It was lucky that the ammunition did not explode ... then they would not have gotten off so easily.
      1. cold wind
        cold wind 5 December 2022 22: 54
        +19
        Eee... What surprises you? That in our Armed Forces is a rare mess and they are not combat-ready, it has been said a long time ago. We are also lucky that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not very different from us and the West does not need their quick victory.
    3. dauria
      dauria 5 December 2022 23: 01
      +7
      Photo and satellite image from Dyagilevo airfield

      So in the APA picture. And they wrote that the tanker was set on fire. Something is wrong . It looks like a sliding blow from the starboard side, disfiguring the rear edge of the stabilizer, then along the nozzles and further along the end of the left stabilizer. And apparently, then the APA hooked. Not a light toy has arrived, that means.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 6 December 2022 00: 21
        0
        Quote: dauria
        Not a light toy has arrived, that means.

        If it really was a Tu-141, then its gross weight: 5 kg at maximum speed: 370 km/h
    4. Hey
      Hey 5 December 2022 23: 13
      +6
      And where is the wreckage of a drone, such as the MoD announced? Most likely it was something else.
      1. kit88
        kit88 5 December 2022 23: 29
        +12
        Quote: MUD
        And where is the wreckage of the drone,

        It means that in the same place as the body, from which the blood spread - that is, everything was removed.
        Maybe, of course, this is not blood, but a hydraulic fluid from an airplane, but I strongly doubt it.
        And in general, how can stabilizers and nozzles be cut off without traces of an explosion.
        1. Hey
          Hey 6 December 2022 00: 00
          0
          i.e. all removed
          Yeah, the wreckage was removed, and the damaged car was abandoned. So they do something to hide the true picture of the incident. I agree about the bodies of the dead, of course they were immediately removed. If there were fragments of a drone, then, on the contrary, they should have been shown as an argument for the statement. What if there is nothing to show?
        2. newtc7
          newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 53
          +7
          Quote: kit88
          Quote: MUD
          And where is the wreckage of the drone,

          It means that in the same place as the body, from which the blood spread - that is, everything was removed.
          Maybe, of course, this is not blood, but a hydraulic fluid from an airplane, but I strongly doubt it.
          And in general, how can stabilizers and nozzles be cut off without traces of an explosion.


          You need to be complete degenerates so that cars worth billions of rubles are not placed in a hangar worth a couple of million. However, more stupid people than in our MO may not exist
          1. N3onMiami
            N3onMiami 6 December 2022 08: 01
            +1
            No, they are not stupid.
            Otherwise, it would not have been possible to dodge and steal in such quantities.
            They are not stupid, they just don't care. And that's even worse.
            1. newtc7
              newtc7 7 December 2022 12: 51
              0
              Quote from N3onMiami
              No, they are not stupid.
              Otherwise, it would not have been possible to dodge and steal in such quantities.
              They are not stupid, they just don't care. And that's even worse.


              What could be easier than stealing when there is mutual responsibility around? Nothing complicated. They are dumb as sheep
      2. cold wind
        cold wind 6 December 2022 00: 03
        +3
        Pictures came from Engels. Even less is believed in the version of the swift / flight. Actually, I don't believe it at all. It was clearly something smaller.


        1. Or me
          Or me 6 December 2022 01: 32
          +1
          cold wind
          Today, 00: 03
          NEW

          0
          Pictures came from Engels. Even less is believed in the version of the swift / flight. Actually, I don't believe it at all. It was clearly something smaller.
          Today Konashenkov announced that the UAVs were Jewish. And they beat themselves with their little hands on plywood that they don’t supply weapons to Ukraine.
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    6. Osipov9391
      Osipov9391 6 December 2022 03: 10
      -2
      Apparently, the bomber will be retired.
      Damage to engines and elevators is very serious + a bunch of holes in the fuselage.
      It cannot be repaired on the spot.
      He will also no longer be able to take off and fly under his own power to Kazan for repairs.
      No one will disassemble and transport such a whopper for repair to Kazan.
      1. Pankrat25
        Pankrat25 6 December 2022 06: 56
        +3
        The engine can be completely changed, the tail unit is the same.
  11. Fisherman
    Fisherman 5 December 2022 22: 42
    +12
    In Dyagilevo, at the Tu-22, the rudders and the engine nozzle were obviously damaged not by an explosion, but by a fall and a collision with something large, which ignited a fuel truck (there, strike metal on metal and explode on its own), satellite images show the direction of fall from right to left behind the missile carrier . But in Engels, the funnel is strictly between the "Bears" and it is unlikely that, apart from fragments, something seriously cut the hull. But a direct indication of the American trace in target designation, tracking and installation of a guidance system - it’s already shining with a couple of pictures of the American "commercial satellite" Maksar strictly on December 3 and 4! The same Diaghilev they filmed hell in October ....
    1. kit88
      kit88 5 December 2022 23: 33
      +17
      Where do you see the fuel truck? In this photo, only the Airfield Mobile Unit of the APA-80 type. This is a simple current generator for powering aircraft.
      And in general, a fuel truck has nothing to do at the airport. If only a tanker with kerosene. And it's not so easy to set fire to kerosene in the cold.
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 6 December 2022 09: 33
        -1
        so they published - "fuel truck" ... looked at the pictures and compared - you are absolutely right, APA-80. It means only a kinetic strike on the rear of the missile carrier, but the APA-80 has already ignited and there are scorch marks on the snow .... so it will fly!
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 December 2022 00: 28
      0
      Quote: Fisherman
      But in Engels, the funnel is strictly between the "Bears"

      Something I did not see the funnel there. Just a stain of soot on the concrete. Maybe something was on fire, but this can even appear from the exhaust of the APA.
      1. Fisherman
        Fisherman 6 December 2022 09: 34
        -1
        APA - near Ryazan .... a funnel - in the pictures of Maksar between the Bears in Engels.
  12. Last centurion
    Last centurion 5 December 2022 22: 43
    +23
    600 km? Well, where will it fly next time? To an oil refinery or a chemical enterprise or a nuclear power plant? Is it really difficult to bomb railways, diesel locomotives, warehouses in so much time? How many red lines have been crossed to save yachts and place children in English universities? And in general, this aircraft at the airfield is assembled so that it is hit by a pair of Tomahawks and that's it? Will two Hells remain from the triad? Reminds columns of equipment in the early days of its ... but in general UWB now knows that this is easily possible even with ancient Soviet pieces of iron. What to say about the f-35, etc. The sky of the country is locked ... Barn, rusty
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 20
      +5
      So we do not know all the plans of the "great multi-move and not yet a beginner." Maybe he is luring the enemy deep into our territory in order to deliver a crushing blow?! ) It would be fun if it were not so sad, unfortunately. By the way, I live 80 kilometers from Ryazan ...
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 6 December 2022 07: 46
        +1
        And I'm 8 km from Diaghilev ..

        Text there, etc.
  13. Tusv
    Tusv 5 December 2022 22: 44
    +15
    Well Konashenkov reported. Two Strategists damaged. Three techniques Alas. The rest with multiple wounds. That is why the air defense officers guard their division with two combat horns. The patrol is called. But there is no Strategic Aviation? Two Strategists were sent for long-term repairs. Three boys in the morgue, an unknown number with injuries. Figase security service
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 5 December 2022 23: 57
      +9
      Honestly, it would be better if our chief Petrosyan MO was silent, otherwise after his peppy reports it was somehow uncomfortable.
  14. Fangaro
    Fangaro 5 December 2022 22: 50
    -10
    Satellite images in telegram channels.
    Does TG now have its own satellites?
    Or are StarLinks leaking everything they see to anyone who wants to watch?
    Or are our satellites sending pictures to SSTV?
    1. Last centurion
      Last centurion 5 December 2022 22: 53
      +11
      There are more Starlinks now than anything the rest of the world has ever launched, but they have nothing to do with it. Now every banana republic and large corporation has a fleet of satellites
  15. ananias mudishev
    ananias mudishev 5 December 2022 22: 52
    -1
    Why don't our pilots bomb the building on Frunzenskaya Embankment in Moscow
  16. cash
    cash 5 December 2022 22: 56
    +5
    there are no words, only interjections, and the people involved in the construction of our army have not heard about such a thing as hangars? Is this a civilian airport? how the hell do planes stand wing to wing?
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 5 December 2022 23: 54
      +4
      They were engaged in biathlons, parks .... and did not forget their loved ones.
      1. Klaus8691
        Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 25
        +6
        Honestly, it's a shame for the army, not for ordinary soldiers honestly doing their duty, but for these scum with big stars, who only poured "analogue" and other crap into their ears. They only have faith in the Golden Calf.
    2. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 48
      0
      Quote from kasy
      there are no words, only interjections, and the people involved in the construction of our army have not heard about such a thing as hangars? Is this a civilian airport? how the hell do planes stand wing to wing?


      Yes, everything is a tyap blunder and so it will do. Nobody thinks with their heads. They don’t have such a task either, in our country we have one task so that everything is fine on paper. Stick country, I would call it that
  17. Fangaro
    Fangaro 5 December 2022 23: 00
    +1
    That's where the photo and picture of the airfield in Diaghilev come from? It takes a lot of time, a lot of good specialists, a lot of money to build such an aircraft, military, far-flying, with weapons that even potential professional opponents treat without neglect.
    And much less is needed to protect such a strategic colossus.
    They found money to build in the USSR. Even to the detriment of the TV, which in 1987 was still black and white.
  18. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 5 December 2022 23: 05
    +6
    I hope ours have already found resistance to the analogues of our Geraniums? The fanatics of the UGIL are already completing work on them, and it is logical that they will soon begin to launch the same swarms into the depths of all our strategic facilities. Or didn't you look for it? Given the experience of the failures of 8 months of the war, our leadership lives for today.
    1. Last centurion
      Last centurion 5 December 2022 23: 13
      +7
      They are waiting for the children to be sent not to foreign universities, but to hide in bomb shelters, including Their Children. Since Their Children are now ordered to travel abroad ... Well, as an option, to a resort in warm and sunny Yakutia away from the west ...
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 5 December 2022 23: 45
        0
        Quote: Last centurion
        Well, as an option to a resort in warm and sunny Yakutia away from the west ...

        More likely to Khakassia.
    2. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 46
      +2
      Yes, there are no brains at all. They can only bargain and that is very, very bad.
      Oh, and steal. This is where they do well.
  19. ilpine
    ilpine 5 December 2022 23: 08
    +25
    Another 5 arrivals of such drones and we will be left without strategic aviation. Here the holiday will be in NATO.
  20. fezm.fan
    fezm.fan 5 December 2022 23: 13
    +3
    I think that these UAVs helped to overcome air defense, knowing where and how it is worth plotting a flight course! And perhaps the DRG directed them to the airfields (such as a beacon) IHMO.
    1. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 20
      +2
      100 percent that they know where and how the air defense is located and plotted a course And Putin will be led into fornication again, everything is fine Here he read the shipbuilder a patriot, but even he is already an evil patriot
  21. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 16
    +13
    This is a rehearsal Then dozens or more will fly to the State Duma, the Federation Council, the White House and the Kremlin
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 29
      +5
      Yes, rather they will fly over civilian targets, because from the targets you named, their inhabitants will scatter like cockroaches at the slightest nix.
    2. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 6 December 2022 16: 41
      +1
      It would be very good! Maybe then it will come to some that it is necessary to fight normally.
  22. Last centurion
    Last centurion 5 December 2022 23: 17
    +4
    Of course, respect for the pictures from the airfields, because they make it clear the real scale of the problem without peppy reports from the box about the victories. But on the other hand ... what the hell are pictures from strategic airfields?
    1. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 39
      +3
      There are no photos, and in general the report will be all fakes
    2. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 41
      +8
      And it will be like with the GRK Moscow and everything can be hushed up, this is fake
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 December 2022 11: 21
      +2
      Quote: Last centurion
      But on the other hand ... what the hell are pictures from strategic airfields?

      Pfff ... what did you want, if at one time the shooting at the Lubyanka was filmed on mobile phones from the windows of "Gosuzhas". Despite the formidable orders to ban the carrying and use and the fact that, in fact, it is the office that should "strengthen". smile
    4. border
      border 6 December 2022 14: 04
      +2
      Go to Yandex maps (hybrid) and see what the Diaghilev airfield is like. Even aircraft brands are signed. You can draw your own conclusions from the parking lot.
  23. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 22
    +3
    Here Solovyov has a program with reconnaissance and a light bomber, I wonder what they will say about such a flight
    1. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 6 December 2022 02: 37
      -3
      ... - You WANTED "ATCRAVE" - ... IT WILL NOT BE THIS.
  24. Michael
    Michael 5 December 2022 23: 24
    +7
    Why don't balloons and AWACS airships hang in the sky? In construction, they are no more expensive than aircraft, cheaper in operation, and combat stability is clearly higher. SAM does not make much difference what to hit - a slow and huge aircraft or a slightly slower and huge airship. But on the airship you can fasten a couple of "Shells" for self-defense and put more powerful electronic warfare systems. It is clear that the Americans make planes - they have a lot of money and need to fly everywhere on the planet, but we have a defense strategy!
    1. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 43
      +3
      Quote: Michael
      Why don't balloons and AWACS airships hang in the sky? In construction, they are no more expensive than aircraft, cheaper in operation, and combat stability is clearly higher. SAM does not make much difference what to hit - a slow and huge aircraft or a slightly slower and huge airship. But on the airship you can fasten a couple of "Shells" for self-defense and put more powerful electronic warfare systems. It is clear that the Americans make planes - they have a lot of money and need to fly everywhere on the planet, but we have a defense strategy!


      You speak the truth, this is long overdue!
      But whoever hears us stupid sofas, they say if you want to help your homeland, go and dig a trench.
      1. Michael
        Michael 6 December 2022 01: 23
        +2
        Quote from: newtc7
        You speak the truth, this is long overdue!
        But whoever hears us stupid sofas, they say if you want to help your homeland, go and dig a trench.

        Here is the installation of a barrier balloon (it was launched five kilometers high with a network barrier), what prevents attaching a radar and supplying electricity via cable?
        1. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 6 December 2022 02: 46
          -3
          ... - and having "hung" AFAR - WE HAVE "a field of ABSOLUTE COVERAGE OF MINIMUM 450 km" - ... (... now "running" "old farts" from 100, 200 300 - you AT LEAST THOUGHT ABOUT COVERING THESE balloons OVER YOUR TERRITORY WITH YOUR FIGHTER AVIATION - ... You "already" Engels "guarded" ???!)
          1. Michael
            Michael 6 December 2022 02: 59
            0
            Quote from Sergio CDS
            "already" Engels "guarded" ???!)

            What are you talking about?
            I am offended by the complete inconsistency of responses to threats. Generals always fight in the last war or steal. And nothing more.
            1. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 29
              -2
              ... - I'm sorry, I didn't notice how they "came on YOU" ....
              ... - JUST I SAW HOW TACTICAL aerodromes are protected ... : - \
              ... - and "HERE" "STRATEGOV" !!! 0... - "hadi... - fuck..."
              ... - I don't care about the "stars" of "Gorbachev-Yeltsyn's GENERALS" - ...and what did those who came think about?! - since 2014 - DOH ... - there was a lot of time! (... SM "Liaoning - Varyag")
              1. Michael
                Michael 6 December 2022 03: 51
                0
                In general, I can hardly imagine the differences in communication on "YOU" or "YOU".
                A person who requires the treatment "YOU" is a schizophrenic and there are many of them. He cannot make up his mind. He will suffer from a split personality at any moment and will destroy you.
          2. newtc7
            newtc7 6 December 2022 03: 14
            -1
            Quote from Sergio CDS
            ... - and having "hung" AFAR - WE HAVE "a field of ABSOLUTE COVERAGE OF MINIMUM 450 km" - ... (... now "running" "old farts" from 100, 200 300 - you AT LEAST THOUGHT ABOUT COVERING THESE balloons OVER YOUR TERRITORY WITH YOUR FIGHTER AVIATION - ... You "already" Engels "guarded" ???!)


            You are hard to understand. BUT it is no more difficult to defend it than a drill plane, and even easier, because you can install a shell directly on it and go ahead.
            1. SergioCDS
              SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 40
              -1
              ... - and I ABOUT WHAT?! - And with bunding - ... and with COMPETENT bunding - ... they turn into "hangars" (see "domed buildings of the USSR") ... -
              1. Michael
                Michael 6 December 2022 04: 37
                +1
                Quote from Sergio CDS
                ... - and I ABOUT WHAT?! - And with bunding - ... and with COMPETENT bunding - ... they turn into "hangars" (see "domed buildings of the USSR") ... -

                In principle, there are projects of combined thermostats. Static is created by helium in tanks, and dynamics by height is created by warm air, and fly with the wind or on a tether if the wind is not in the right direction. The carrying capacity is terrible - a battalion with reinforcement, and if they shoot this, and the generals put the "toy" in the wrong place, then the generals will not do anything, but they do not want to try.
          3. Michael
            Michael 6 December 2022 03: 23
            +3
            Quote from Sergio CDS
            you AT LEAST THOUGHT ABOUT COVERING THESE balloons OVER YOUR TERRITORY WITH YOUR FIGHTER AVIATION

            The AWACS balloon has a multiple carrying capacity against the aircraft. And the cover "OVER YOUR TERRITORY WITH YOUR FIGHTER AVIATION" does not cancel the carrying capacity. A little more aerostatic balloons, and the mass of the understood cargo in the square is growing)))). You can fasten ten "Shells".
        2. newtc7
          newtc7 6 December 2022 03: 11
          +2
          I don't understand either. It seems like an obvious solution that can close giant territories with a radar field. It has some pluses: it is static, it can lift a lot of weight, it’s even easier to protect than a drill plane, you can put it in the rear or at a decent distance from the front, the price is cheaper than a drill, and most importantly, no dead zones for you due to the curvature of the earth. Ideal for defense.
          But there are no such anywhere, not only here. However, in the United States they announced what they plan to do.
          1. Michael
            Michael 6 December 2022 03: 59
            -1
            Quote from: newtc7
            However, in the United States they announced what they plan to do.

            A dozen hangs over the border with Mexico, and the police do not transmit data))))
        3. SergioCDS
          SergioCDS 13 December 2022 02: 12
          0
          ... - good ... - look how the LIMITED "education" of "users" and teachers of the "s-125", "s-75", "s-200", s-300" complexes was striking on me ... - and all BECAUSE they "smoked" in the 6th-9th grade the lessons "PHYSICS OF THE USSR" - ... the law of Archimedes, the laws of aerodynamics, etc. - for them "DARK FOREST is not from" OUR SETTLEMENT - "we don't fly ourselves - and we won't GIVE OTHERS ""...:) (... - and THE MOST ELEMENTARY LAWS OF PHYSICS, GEOMETRY, OPTICS, and RADIO PHYSICS - .. "one must KNOW" .... - ... and "SWIFT" of 1980 "covers like a bull cow" OUR air defense.
  25. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 29
    +6
    Nothing, the exchange will be carried out and his billions will be returned to the foreign citizen, is it the national interests of the Russian Federation or another deal, what kind of grain was it, was it ammonia, will it be oil
  26. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 5 December 2022 23: 32
    +10
    Maybe Shoigu will still be awarded the Marshal of the Marshals
  27. Hey
    Hey 5 December 2022 23: 35
    +9
    Well, I don’t believe our MO, according to this incident. Like an antediluvian aircraft, gigantic in size, it flew almost 1000 km. and broke through the layered air defense of a strategic facility, where not only aircraft are stationed, but also nuclear weapons are located. What then is this air defense, what cannot protect such an object, and what can we say about ordinary cities. No, it was most likely something small and harmful. Saboteurs with a drone with explosives maximum kg. 5. If I see a photo with the wreckage of the Swift, then I agree that I was wrong. Well, I want to believe that our air defense could not be taxed like that.
    1. PC
      PC 5 December 2022 23: 43
      -1
      https://rusvesna.su/news/1670263126
      https://rusvesna.su/news/1670265324
  28. PC
    PC 5 December 2022 23: 41
    +12
    Congratulations to Supreme Commander-in-Chief V.V. Putin! Ryazan has become a front-line city! Fabulous! Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to strike at Moscow. So? Honorable surrender?
    1. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 40
      +2
      Quote: p-k
      Congratulations to Supreme Commander-in-Chief V.V. Putin! Ryazan has become a front-line city! Fabulous! Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine have to strike at Moscow. So? Honorable surrender?


      Further, by tradition, we have a gesture of goodwill. Or, at best, a threat with consequences that they did not yet know.
      Naturally without consequences.
  29. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 5 December 2022 23: 41
    +7
    Quote: Lech from Android.

    Someone needs to be shot from the leadership of the NWO

    The situation has reached such a stage that it is necessary to shoot the Supreme.
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 32
      +2
      It would be great, but he won’t be himself, they don’t leave their own ...
    2. dementor873
      dementor873 6 December 2022 02: 33
      0
      Citizen, let's go! laughing Yes, there is not a text here, they will already give a tribunal.
  30. Chem1st
    Chem1st 5 December 2022 23: 46
    +9
    Quote: svp67
    And if 10 or 100 of these UAVs participated in this raid?

    I'm afraid it will now. You see, impunity absolutely everywhere is absolutely enchanting - therefore, after this raid, no one in the VKS will scratch it to change something. What for? Even if all the planes are blown up, the maximum commander will be transferred to another place. For good, now, more than ever, we need a demonstrative tribunal over a couple of dozen generals from the Aerospace Forces and Air Defense. With the most severe sentence, up to the tower. Otherwise, this swamp will not swing.
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 35
      +2
      That's for sure! He was the commander of an air regiment, but since there are no planes, then the head of the Air Force Academy, to teach young people how to fight ...
  31. cpls22
    cpls22 5 December 2022 23: 49
    0
    It is clear that the APU has updated the navigation system in these swifts.
    The main question now is that do they use now?
    Correction from satellites, new generation inertial system?
    The stump is clear that the bandura itself does not go on the air - otherwise it would be easy to trace it.
    It is obvious that the loopholes in the layered air defense were calculated with the help of NATO AWACS. If there is a power reserve, then there will always be such.
    The nuances of avionics can hardly be determined from the wreckage.
    Unless you're lucky to find fragments of the receiving antenna.
    That's what you need to think about, and not arrange crying for Yaroslavl.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 6 December 2022 06: 04
      0
      what Avaks? they fly over Poland and the Black Sea, and their range is 300 km for air targets!, i.e. they don’t even cover the whole of Ukraine ..
      1. cpls22
        cpls22 10 December 2022 00: 39
        0
        Well, not 300, but 650, but that's not the point. This is about radar detection of non-radiating targets.
        But other equipment can be used to detect the operation of the radar. At least satellite. The bottom line is that the holes between the air defense echelons were calculated by NATO.
  32. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 5 December 2022 23: 51
    +6
    There are more questions than answers here. 1. How could the Tu-141 fly so many kilometers unnoticed, does it glow like a "Christmas tree"? It looks like no one knocked him down, he fell where he was sent. 2. How could this Tu-141 fly with such accuracy as it was aimed, it was also designed to shoot "somewhere there." It means that the "partners" were screwed and pointed to him .....
  33. Alebedev
    Alebedev 5 December 2022 23: 59
    +7
    I'm wondering how Putin reacted to this?
    Or rather, not so. I didn't put a comma there.
    How did Putin react to this?
    1. Ghost1
      Ghost1 6 December 2022 00: 28
      +10
      Well, I looked at the bridge, I was at the volunteer forum, it is in important matters.
    2. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 37
      +1
      Of course, we haven't started yet, and the enemies haven't crossed the "red line" yet... But if, then Uhhh...
  34. wladimirjankov
    wladimirjankov 6 December 2022 00: 10
    +6
    if it really is a Tu-141 that flew to us in Engels and Ryazan, then it would be more shameful than a rustic plane on Red Square. It looks like we don’t have air defense in the west and south at all. And the Supreme must make organizational conclusions. That way, the Nazis and in Moscow or the nuclear power plant can shy away with these swifts. They will put a GOS on them from himars, they will fill in more fuel and go ahead. As it turned out, there were no obstacles for them.
    1. newtc7
      newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 38
      +1
      Quote: wladimirjankov
      if it really is a Tu-141 that flew to us in Engels and Ryazan, then it would be more shameful than a rustic plane on Red Square. It looks like we don’t have air defense in the west and south at all. And the Supreme must make organizational conclusions. That way, the Nazis and in Moscow or the nuclear power plant can shy away with these swifts. They will put a GOS on them from himars, they will fill in more fuel and go ahead. As it turned out, there were no obstacles for them.


      That I already wrote fifty times but everyone was minus!
      We need to make balloons with radars, this will immediately solve the problem of what flies at low altitudes. And a thousand times cheaper than a drill aircraft
    2. dementor873
      dementor873 6 December 2022 03: 00
      +5
      And they noticed that until they sigh in Moscow, the Black Sea Fleet in the bay, the Crimean Bridge, etc. only then do ours begin to act violently for a day or two, and then silence until the next Feodosia. So it seems that in order to blow up something in Ukraine, you need to wait for something to be blown up here.
  35. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 6 December 2022 00: 23
    +6
    I’ll say a seditious thought, but I’m in favor of flying around the Kremlin. And the sooner this happens, the better for us. We have already lowered the image of the country below nowhere with these agreements, sending Azov workers to the resorts of Turkey, gestures of goodwill, grain deals, these red lines, which are not quite red .... Maybe then we will start doing what we have not started yet ".
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 54
      0
      Yes, there are many with such thoughts) Only then we will hardly wait for an adequate decision.
  36. Fangaro
    Fangaro 6 December 2022 00: 24
    +6
    For what minuses I got - I do not know. Not understood.
    I'll keep thinking...
    Masts of 30-40 meters. In increments of 50.
    A simple fishing net or chain-link, but thinner so that it weighs less...
    Wouldn't such a costly beggar increase the protection of everything that is based on earth?
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  38. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 6 December 2022 00: 31
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir M
    There are more questions than answers here. 1. How could the Tu-141 fly so many kilometers unnoticed, does it glow like a "Christmas tree"? It looks like no one knocked him down, he fell where he was sent. 2. How could this Tu-141 fly with such accuracy as it was aimed, it was also designed to shoot "somewhere there." It means that the "partners" were screwed and pointed to him .....

    I think that it was not Swift, but some kind of NATO prodigy. Well, this drone could not work so imperceptibly and accurately.
  39. cooper
    cooper 6 December 2022 00: 32
    +3
    What are Putin and the General Staff thinking about?! Waiting for arrivals in the Kremlin and Rublevka?? Why are not all ways / means of delivering Western weapons to ukroreich destroyed? Transport hubs, main means of communication/communications? Why is their Nazi-terrorist political and military leadership still inviolable? Why is Nazi Ukraine finally not completely deprived of electricity?
    1. Vladimir M
      Vladimir M 6 December 2022 00: 40
      +6
      Ukraine cannot totally lose electricity. Without electricity, it will not be possible to drive gas, oil, ammonia to partners, and grain cannot be loaded without electricity. And this is sacred.
      1. Klaus8691
        Klaus8691 6 December 2022 00: 58
        +1
        10 months of "standing on the Ugra", but there seems to be no victims, and here the boys die for nothing. And then they didn’t start yet, then they didn’t go beyond the flags ...
      2. Chronos
        Chronos 6 December 2022 05: 38
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir M
        Ukraine cannot totally lose electricity. Without electricity, it will not be possible to drive gas, oil, ammonia to partners, and grain cannot be loaded without electricity. And this is sacred.

        Ukraine cannot totally lose electricity, because for this it is necessary to totally bomb all nuclear power plants. What will not be done for obvious reasons.
        1. aglet
          aglet 6 December 2022 12: 20
          0
          "totally bomb all nuclear power plants. Which they will not do for obvious reasons."
          it’s not at all necessary - to bang transformer substations, and that’s it!
    2. dementor873
      dementor873 6 December 2022 02: 37
      +2
      In their place, I would seriously think about zeroing one of the components of the strategic nuclear forces in which case and what will they do? Express concern?
  40. Ghost1
    Ghost1 6 December 2022 00: 33
    +5
    It has already happened more than once that it shows what kind of air defense we actually have. And someone wanted a confrontation with NATO. In short, the NWO showed what it’s worth, more splurge and hatred.
  41. newtc7
    newtc7 6 December 2022 00: 35
    +2
    I don’t understand why strategic bombers are not stored in hangars? After all, the cost of building such a hangar is a penny compared to the price of an aircraft.
  42. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 6 December 2022 00: 39
    +2
    Quote: aleksr2005

    I think that it was not Swift, but some kind of NATO prodigy.

    Yes, there is no wunderwaffle there. It's just that our army is cardboard, like everything that Putin created.
    1. Klaus8691
      Klaus8691 6 December 2022 01: 01
      +3
      And he still doesn’t like Soviet galoshes, but from what was created under him, and not from Soviet developments, only biathlon and regular parades with incomprehensible exercises.
  43. navycat777
    navycat777 6 December 2022 00: 41
    -1
    The next step. Several DRGs from the borders of the ban zone will launch drones against mobile nuclear systems and destroy them, as a training before a real attack. The main thing is to psychologically adjust the minimum attack so as not to start a nuclear war. Probably, knowing the indecisiveness of the commander-in-chief and his aspirations for steps of goodwill, this is possible.
    By the way, it is possible to carry out an attack against the Votkinsk plant, it will be even larger and at the same time not against the Kremlin. laughing
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  45. Scientist_
    Scientist_ 6 December 2022 00: 42
    +1
    Quote: Cooper
    What are Putin and the General Staff thinking about?! Waiting for arrivals in the Kremlin and Rublevka??

    Yes, there will be no arrivals in the Kremlin and Rublevka. Not for nothing they passed Kherson. Including for the fact that they were not beaten personally.
  46. Alex Barrett
    Alex Barrett 6 December 2022 00: 45
    +4
    As for the Swift, they are clearly reassuring the public, judging by the pictures at one airfield, a mine seems to have exploded under a tanker, otherwise a Chinese kamikaze drone may have arrived and it was definitely not launched from the territory of Ukraine. What is the general probability that an overgrown Soviet analog drone, having flown 700 km, will fall three meters from the Tu-95? There are probably specialists here who can calculate it all.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 6 December 2022 01: 50
      +1
      Well ... Judging by the pictures, there are no traces of the fall of a thing weighing more than 1 ton at all
      There are absolutely similar traces (even the damage to the aircraft is similar) to those that were after the attack of ISIS self-made drones on our airfield in Syria.
    2. dementor873
      dementor873 6 December 2022 02: 39
      +2
      There are agricultural drones, healthy fools who can carry 2-3 80mm mines. Our collection for such was.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 6 December 2022 11: 55
      +1
      Quote from: Alex Barrett
      What is the general probability that an overgrown Soviet analog drone, having flown 700 km, will fall three meters from the Tu-95?

      If this drone is modernized, it is quite possible to change its filling.
  47. Pavel57
    Pavel57 6 December 2022 02: 10
    +1
    A few questions about Swifts. How many Tu-141s did Ukraine have? Equipped with GPS guidance?
  48. meandr51
    meandr51 6 December 2022 02: 11
    -3
    There is nothing to be surprised. Nobody's air defense system works perfectly, especially the first time. The impact of individual UAVs on the Kremlin is also quite possible. But it has no serious military significance. Mass launch will definitely be detected.
    1. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 53
      0
      ... - ... ESPECIALLY in the PARKING PARK and the launch runway of the TU-160 ???!
  49. Two
    Two 6 December 2022 02: 27
    -1
    Firstly, the strategist should have airfields with missile carriers and special ammunition and personnel like the Americans like zone 51, and not near or in the city. And be protected as well.
    1. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 6 December 2022 03: 57
      -1
      ... - MUST... : ( !
      ... you never know "who owes whom"
    2. SergioCDS
      SergioCDS 9 December 2022 01: 28
      +1
      ... SUCH OBJECTS (... DEFENDED IN THE USSR) SO, YOU DID NOT DREAM - ... FOR SUCH EVERYTHING, the family would have climbed in the taiga of Novosibirsk ....
  50. Osipov9391
    Osipov9391 6 December 2022 03: 20
    +6
    I can't comprehend what happened!
    Just some kind of Russian-Japanese war is already happening!
    According to Engels, I'm still in shock.
    How so?
    I thought such things and such objects are also covered by the most powerful electronic warfare systems that extinguish UAV control signals, GPS signals and the radiation of UAV / KR radio altimeters.
    Still, we are not talking about a sanatorium or boarding house of the Moscow Region, but a strategic aviation base - the only one where a dozen Tu-160s are based.

    And if there were several dozen of these drones, and there would be a drone for each bomber ?!
    We would have lost the air component of the nuclear triad in less than an hour.
    This is the bottom. What is this bottom.
    1. FoBoss_VM
      FoBoss_VM 6 December 2022 04: 11
      +2
      A comparison with 1914 is more appropriate. But just don’t bring the Lord that everything would end with us like in 1917. Although Putin is doing EVERYTHING to make this happen ...
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 23 December 2022 01: 17
      0
      Nothing terrible happened. Why are all the traitors to the Motherland so excited? Well, these "Swifts" were underestimated, it happens ... But they were shot down. That's why they didn't hit the targets. Although they fell close. We must say thanks to ukram for science. And for stupidity and poverty that they did not let at least a dozen to the airfield. Now appropriate action will be taken. You can't do that with Russians. They just work better for it.