Dead weight: how Europe intends to rob Russia

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Dead weight: how Europe intends to rob Russia
Ursula von der Leyen. Source: volicol.net


Difficult Ursula


European politicians are faced with the difficult task of finding a way acceptable to all to embezzle hundreds of billions of euros from Russia. On the one hand, you can simply take the money for yourself and divide it among all those who sympathize with the Kyiv regime. In proportion to the financial and moral losses incurred. Some of the stolen goods will also go to Ukraine. Zelensky’s team has not been suffering from a lack of appetite lately – at first, the loss estimates since February featured 100, later 300, and now all 600 billion dollars.



Tricks with Russian money will not pass by the eyes and ears of investors in the European economy. Everyone remembers the common expression “like in a Swiss bank”? So, now it's not like that - the bankers of Zurich recently found and froze another 8 billion dollars from Russia. The prospects for this money are very vague.

Brussels and friends for decades, if not centuries, have cultivated the image of a reliable partner who is not afraid to lend money. And then a robbery for more than three hundred billion. Even in Russia, which the West is carefully demonizing, even for the needs of Bandera Ukraine. This will be a precedent that Europeans will remember for a very long time, and they will carry their money to the Turks, Chinese, Japanese, and maybe even Russians.

In general, European regulators are torn apart by contradictions. But it seems that the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, has come up with a plan of action. On November 30, she reported to the electorate:

“We blocked 300 billion euros of reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and 19 billion euros of private funds of Russian oligarchs. In the short term, we could create a structure with our partners to manage these funds, invest them, and then use the proceeds for Ukraine. Then, when the sanctions are lifted, these funds should be used to fully compensate for the losses of Ukraine.”

The notorious fund for the restoration of Ukraine should compensate not only for the losses of Ukraine itself. Europe spends billions to support the Zelensky regime, and Russian assets lie dead weight in banks. The first step is to make money work. Ursula suggests investing and directing the profit to help Ukraine.

Several trends emerge here. The Europeans do not hope for a quick end to the conflict, as they offer to finance Zelensky from "interest on deposits." Ursula did not reveal the secret where exactly they are going to invest Russian money in order to receive at least a minimal income.

Crypt? The option to make money on a fashion trend is now very risky - after the start of the special operation, the crypto exchange is not weakly in a fever.

In "green energy"? It is profitable and promising, especially in the light of the European rejection of Russian energy sources, but for a very long time - you can recapture the money only in ten to fifteen years.

Perhaps in the high-tech industry? But she also falls. Here and permanent COVID-19 in China, and the threat of the return of Taiwan under the jurisdiction of Beijing.

Look promising weapons companies that have risen very well in the Ukrainian conflict. But can they effectively digest 300 billion euros? One thing is clear - in this case, Europe will by all means slow down the peaceful resolution of the crisis in Ukraine.

Ms. Ursula, in order to justify the act of plundering Russian assets, announced another interesting idea - the creation of a special court for "war crimes" of Russia. In the future, they will write dozens of volumes of accusatory lies, which will become the documentary basis for the withdrawal of funds. Time is needed to prepare public opinion.

The reflections of the European and Ukrainian side about the inevitability of reparations from Russia are interesting. They demand multibillion-dollar compensation from Moscow at any end of the conflict. Only now, even with the absolutely fantastic defeat of Russia and the withdrawal from all the liberated territories, including Crimea, there is no mechanism obliging the Kremlin to pay for reparations. Theoretically, the UN Security Council could insist on this, but Moscow has a veto right there. Therefore, in the most catastrophic scenario for the development of a special operation for the army, the West will be content with the current frozen 319 billion euros.

How will Russia respond?


Do not think that the Kremlin does not have leverage over overzealous European parliamentarians. Russia has always been promising for investment, primarily because of its great growth potential. As of October last year, the volume of Western investments exceeded $1,2 trillion. These are shares in joint projects, and debt obligations - loans, bonds, advances, and banal cash with deposits. The Central Bank has already frozen from 300 to 500 billion dollars of foreign investors. It would be fair to confiscate these considerable reserves for the needs of a special operation, for example, as soon as Ursula put her threats into action. This will also not add to the investment attractiveness of Russia in the future, but we did not start the financial war.

Europe in stories with Russian assets acts as the third superfluous. The attempts of the Kyiv regime to appropriate everything Russian on the territory of the country are quite understandable. In March, the law “On the Basic Principles of Compulsory Seizure in Ukraine of Objects of Property Rights of the Russian Federation and Its Residents” was issued. For the Kyiv regime, the conflict has long been a matter of survival. In total, they have so far managed to take away only one billion dollars, they still cannot decide on the rest - where is Russian money, and where, for example, Cypriot.

Europe has the right to encroach on Russian money only in one case - in the event of a declaration of war. Then, please, you can dispose of billions on completely legal grounds. In the meantime, Ursula needs to understand one thing - this principle can also be retroactive, that is, provoke a war in response to the confiscation of funds.

It seems that all the recklessness of Ursula's statements is understood in the USA. The Wall Street Journal reminds the European Commission of the concept of sovereign immunity protecting state assets abroad. The voice was expectedly filed from Kyiv. Denis Malyuska, head of local justice, proposes to abolish sovereign immunity for Russia by a separate law. And all assets will be promptly transferred to Ukraine. Europe has not even commented on this yet.


Ukraine can seriously discredit European banks. Source: bankovskie-karty.ru

There is a feeling that Europe's anti-Russian decisions are generated in pursuit of real events, and not ahead of them. Here, for example, the decision to steal, more precisely, to “invest” for the time being, Russia’s 319 billion euros came after the understanding that an extra $300 billion had accumulated in our country over the current year. This is the excess of export earnings over imports. Previously, this amount was two to three times less and was partially withdrawn abroad. Or an initiative with a forced price ceiling for Urals oil at $60 per barrel.

Russian oil companies have been forced to sell a barrel for $52-$55 for several months now, so the ban in this situation sounds completely political. Brussels' statements are scary, but in reality they are thinly veiled propaganda. No wonder the American Merriam-Webster chose as the word of the year the term "gaslighting" (gaslighting), denoting

“psychological manipulation of a person, usually over a long period of time, which causes the victim to doubt the correctness of their own thoughts, perception of reality or memories and usually leads to confusion, loss of self-confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty about their own emotional or mental stability and dependence on guilty person."

It is difficult to come up with a more precise definition of what is happening now in the heads of the European commissioners in general and Mrs. von der Leyen in particular.
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  1. +8
    6 December 2022 05: 26
    The oligarchs have long been warned, including Vladimir Vladimirovich personally, that "everyone will be taken away."

    Ukraine will get a donut hole and a bunch of rusty junk, no one is going to share "honestly stolen", and Ursula's statements are direct confirmation. Everyone will drank among their own, the Deutsche Bank is bankrupt, it is necessary to throw billions of dollars at it, but what about dividends? What are the dividends? The crisis, everything worked at a loss, ah-ah-ah, they themselves did not understand how it happened.
    1. +7
      6 December 2022 07: 50
      319 dollars... well, anyway, we wouldn't get it anyway... it's a pity, of course, but it's time to get used to the fact that our impoverishment is the norm, and a calm, rich life is rather an exception.
      1. +6
        6 December 2022 09: 27
        Quote: Civil
        319 dollars... well, anyway, we wouldn't get it anyway... it's a pity, of course, but it's time to get used to the fact that our impoverishment is the norm, and a calm, rich life is rather an exception.

        Yes, it will not work in the West. According to their own scheme, it is possible to print rubles only if they are provided with the equivalent of a dollar. And the Central Bank has already turned on the machine and is now printing rubles on account of the frozen currency laughing + a lot of Russian assets have been bought up by Western companies, so it can be easily confiscated in favor of the state.
        1. +1
          6 December 2022 23: 01
          Well, they are already writing that the assets of the Central Bank allegedly taken abroad according to the same Central Bank: "they cannot be found." Like in those films" "was there a boy"? or "everything was stolen before us"?... wink. I still remember Stepashin, through negligence, decided to check whether the Central Bank’s data on the presence of gold reserves correspond to reality - so they immediately gave him such a handle that they forever discouraged checking something there.
      2. +2
        6 December 2022 14: 22
        In the West, they could not find $ 200 billion of reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
        Of the $300 billion that the G7 countries have announced they have seized, only a third have actually been found, according to the Atlantic Council. Where the remaining money and whether they were at all - is unclear. - this was reported by US officials and a think tank at NATO, which specializes in relations with Europe and Russia.
        The Atlantic Council, an American analytical center at NATO, reported citing American and European officials that, in fact, it is about the fact that out of the $ 300 billion of Russian "frozen" assets, the arrest of which the G7 countries announced back in the spring, less than a third was actually found and blocked. .
        It is noted that the estimate of $300 billion of frozen Russian reserves was based on data from the Russian Central Bank itself. In fact, in private discussions, officials admit that the term “freeze” is not entirely correct, because so far it has not been possible to find assets for this amount.
        https://vz.ru/news/2022/12/5/1189755....
        1. -1
          6 December 2022 20: 17
          Russia continues to send money to the West to have even more frozen and confiscated.
          A week ago, our Central Bank transferred another $16.7 billion to the West, and our gold reserves increased to $600 billion.
          I don't think we'll ever see that money again.
          Thus, Russia pays not only its own expenses for the war, but also the expenses of the West for the war against us.
          With this money, the United States can fight against us for a very long time.
          How much money has already been spent in different sources is reported differently, but if we roughly accept that the West has spent $50 billion on Ukraine this year, then our current $600 billion will be enough for the West for another 10 years of war.
      3. -3
        6 December 2022 18: 54
        Of course, complete impoverishment! Along the roads, the dead, sorry, the beggars are standing, the whole of St. Petersburg is rummaging in the garbage in search of food, cars are already parked in two layers vertically, in the villages of the Pskov region, houses are almost without exception with double-glazed windows, everything is gone, the plaster is being removed!
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      5. +1
        7 December 2022 23: 27
        The main thing to remember! Russia must set conditions in any negotiations:
        -Full refund of stolen funds in full.
        -Full payment of penalties for illegal use of stolen funds.
        And only after that we start discussing your problems, questions, complaints.... hi
      6. 0
        12 December 2022 10: 07
        No matter how they got it, no matter how they took it away, no matter how there was no war! It's been a war for a long time!
    2. +9
      6 December 2022 08: 39
      Quote: VicktorVR
      The oligarchs have long been warned, including Vladimir Vladimirovich personally, that "everyone will be taken away."

      And Vladimir Vladimirovich himself did not withdraw state funds from foreign banks! And the share of seized funds - suppressing - the reserves of the State Security Service of the Russian Federation. hi
      1. +7
        6 December 2022 09: 08
        Quote: fa2998
        And Vladimir Vladimirovich himself did not withdraw state funds from foreign banks!

        This is what surprises me - why are foreign investors allowed to safely sell assets in Russia? Moreover, some even buy out state structures. An example of AvtoVAZ, which was bought from the French for a "symbolic ruble". but the specific amount of the transaction is a mystery behind seven seals. Shell also left Russia, selling assets to local hucksters. Like many others.
        At a time when the assets of our companies are corny confiscated in the West.
        Again, Putin is not in the know? bully
        1. 0
          6 December 2022 09: 24
          Will you, having quarreled with the owner/director of a neighboring enterprise, begin to quarrel with individual highly qualified and adequate employees of it? Who do you work on a contract?
          Temporarily break off relations - yes, quarrel - no.

          . when the assets of our companies are corny confiscated in the West.


          And why did you keep your companies in the West when you were told that they would take everything away?
        2. +3
          6 December 2022 11: 14
          I agree, it would be necessary to ban the sale for more than a ruble, but leave the return condition with a time limit, say 2-3 years with compensation for investments over this period. Renault did just that, really wants to return, and we don’t mind, to be honest, they put things in order at AvtoVAZ. But why they allowed to sell Shell - an Anglo-Saxon wallet, I don’t understand.
      2. +3
        6 December 2022 09: 19
        In your opinion, were the actions of the Russian Federation on February 24 a surprise for the West?

        What if the reserves were withdrawn?

        Think of the reserves as victims of a deceptive maneuver. I'm sure they were written off in the first place.
        Yes, they will come up with an answer, but the reserves will only be an excuse.
        1. +2
          6 December 2022 14: 15
          Quote: VicktorVR
          In your opinion, were the actions of the Russian Federation on February 24 a surprise for the West?

          What if the reserves were withdrawn?

          Think of the reserves as victims of a deceptive maneuver. I'm sure they were written off in the first place.
          Yes, they will come up with an answer, but the reserves will only be an excuse.

          Before the start of World War I (and we didn’t start), the tsarist government withdrew capital from German banks. Are they stupid, but ours are prudent ?? laughing laughing
          The beginning of the NWO was unexpected only for the Russian population. And the US intelligence services transmitted information to Kyiv.
          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          Russia, unfortunately, is itself to blame for keeping such money abroad.

          There is no need to shift the blame on 140 million people! The government of the Russian Federation, headed by the president and chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, is to blame. We have absolute power, like a monarchy. hi
      3. +6
        6 December 2022 12: 15
        I wonder why everyone stubbornly continues to perceive these types of arrested 300 lard as some kind of stash in the form of bags of bucks ?? Which, due to inexplicable stupidity, for some reason, was not taken out of the West?

        Although, in fact, this is mainly the currency coverage of the debts of our corporations to the West. Which is natural - it was stored there. Did they take it there? Thus, the confiscation of these amounts means only the early collection of these debts. Corporations will no longer owe the West anything. Unless, of course, our magnificent financial and economic bloc makes a brilliant decision to pay twice .. With these, it will become ..

        In this regard, the squeals of individual ladies from Germany about transferring this money to Tsegabonia are extremely incomprehensible .. And the skepticism of the rest is understandable. For - this is not the money of Russia, in fact - this is Western loot. And she-offers the West to fork out. Schaz!!!

        If it was a real Russian stash - I assure you, it would be backed up a couple of hours after the start of the NWO! And nothing would stop the West. But this is not done, just for the reasons stated above.
        1. +2
          6 December 2022 14: 45
          Quote: paul3390
          I wonder why everyone stubbornly continues to perceive these types of arrested 300 lard as some kind of stash in the form of bags of bucks ?? Which, due to inexplicable stupidity, for some reason, was not taken out of the West?

          We Paul are not stupid people! And they took loans. But they never took a loan, leaving a deposit in the bank in the amount of the loan! This money was not invested in the country, but debugged in fantastic "funds". waitedhi hi
          1. +2
            6 December 2022 16: 48
            This is not a pledge. When, say, Rosneft takes 10 million dollars from the West, it needs not dollars, but rubles. After all, it is only rubles that it can operate within the country. Thus, having received a loan, she goes to the Central Bank and exchanges currency for 600 million rubles. And the Central Bank has on its account - the same 10 million greenery is formed. But do they belong to him? No - because in a year Rosneft will have to repay the debt, and it will bring 600 million rubles back, exchanging it again for foreign currency. And since this is the case, this currency is deposited on correspondent accounts in a Western bank, where the loan was issued. For why drive back and forth to no avail? Simplified, yes.

            Thus, having arrested those 10 million, the West simply returned the loan ahead of schedule, saving Rosneft from having to exchange rubles for foreign currency. It's his money, not ours. And not even Rosneft. And calls to let them go to Tsegabonia are equal to payments from one's own pocket. That's why no one does it.

            To a real egg - judging by the angry cries, they did not reach. They would have reached - they stole it the next day.
            1. +1
              7 December 2022 22: 57
              But do they belong to him? No - because in a year Rosneft will have to repay the debt, and it will bring 600 million rubles back, exchanging it again for foreign currency. And since this is so, this currency is deposited on correspondent accounts in a Western bank, where the loan was issued. For why drive back and forth to no avail? Simplified, yes.

              non-cash dollars cannot be withdrawn in principle, they are always on a correspondent account in American banks
              non-cash currency is just numbers in computers and no one except the United States issues dollars, which means that they can ultimately be stored only there
          2. +2
            7 December 2022 22: 55
            But they never took out a loan, leaving a deposit in the bank in the amount of the loan!

            and if they were engaged in business, they would know that enterprises take loans secured by their assets
    3. +3
      6 December 2022 09: 30
      There is not only money from the oligarchs, but mainly the money of the Russian state.
      And Russia, unfortunately, is itself to blame for keeping such money abroad.
      They should not have been stored there, but invested in the industrial development of the country.
      Having lost your head, you don't cry for your hair.
      Although, yes, they are still frozen, not confiscated, so there is at least some hope of returning them.
      And henceforth, probably not only Russia, but also other states will be forced to think about taking money out of the country.
      1. +2
        6 December 2022 10: 00
        Quote: Blacksmith 55
        And henceforth, probably not only Russia, but also other states will be forced to think about taking money out of the country.

        The elite of the 2nd or 3rd world is the same everywhere, as soon as the opportunity opens up, they will again begin to withdraw everything to where there are no hostilities and there is personal security.
        1. +3
          6 December 2022 10: 29
          What example, whom does he teach? There were Iraq, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan where is their money?
    4. 0
      6 December 2022 10: 59
      "The oligarchs have long been warned, including personally Vladimir Vladimirovich -" everyone will be taken away ""
      this Vladimir Vladimirovich is very smart, as I see it, he gives all sorts of advice. But why did he himself invest money where he did not advise the oligarchs? just don't tell me that nabibulina made decisions herself
    5. +1
      6 December 2022 14: 41
      Quote: VicktorVR
      and Ursula's statements are direct confirmation.

      Actually, watching the "successes" of this lady, I think that they are not deceiving: she used to be not a gynecologist, but a proctologist.
  2. +7
    6 December 2022 05: 33
    All this is understandable, we can confiscate from them, in case of war, they freeze now, but in general, what is the way out of this situation?
    1. +5
      6 December 2022 06: 27
      There are rumors that they can't find this money...
      1. +3
        6 December 2022 10: 44
        To these rumors, the version is: this money still exists, but the now ruling international Western organized crime group, led by Democrats in the United States, is desperately needed to maintain its power. This money will indeed go to offset the costs of major sponsors. And you need a lot of money. At first, they withdraw their money to help back through the crypt, but the exchange was covered. There is great hope now for these 300 billion, but they were legally explained that it is impossible to do so simply. That's apparently "lost". Thus, the traces are swept up, which they actually needed for appropriation.
  3. -1
    6 December 2022 05: 48
    The oligarchs are not sorry, but the reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are subject to state sovereignty! If they carry out "expropriation", the global financial system can be put an end to. And what to "expropriate" from all the "signers" in favor of Russia, and at the same time nationalize the property of the escaped oligarchs, I think there is a much more significant figure.
    1. -7
      6 December 2022 08: 09
      Quote: Vladimir61
      If they carry out "expropriation", the global financial system can be put an end to.

      This is not our method. We are going the other way. Slowly, without noise and dust, we and the rest of the world follow us, we are switching to calculations in the nat. currencies i.e. the role of all the Central Banks in the World, controlled and accountable to a private company - the FRS, is declining with acceleration. As soon as this process becomes irreversible, a new financial system will emerge.

      Quotes from Vladimir Putin's speech at Valdai:

      "... sovereign development must be ensured for all countries, and the choice of any country must be respected. This is also important, even in relation to the financial system. It must be independent, depoliticized, and, of course, it must be based on financial systems leading countries in the world...

      ... How to ensure that the relationship was stable? We must achieve this balance, we must act within the framework of those norms that we call the norms of international law, we must coordinate and adhere to them, including in the financial sphere, create independent systems of international settlements ... "
      1. +4
        6 December 2022 09: 03
        Quote: Boris55
        This is not our method. We are going the other way.

        And as time has shown, in the wrong direction! wassat
        1. -4
          6 December 2022 09: 30
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And as time has shown, in the wrong direction!

          Where is your side?
          1. +3
            6 December 2022 09: 40
            Quote: Boris55
            Where is your side?

            Where my children, mother, friends live. In Russia. And where do the children of "our" elite study and live? wink
            1. -2
              6 December 2022 10: 05
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And where do the children of "our" elite study and live?

              It is correct that "our" elite is in quotation marks.
              This "elite" was delivered to us in the 90s by the USA and naturallythat the children of this "elite" are brought up in the West.
      2. 0
        6 December 2022 09: 44
        As soon as this process becomes irreversible, a new financial system will emerge.
        So any armed conflict works for the Fed. "Here" money is bad, let your money go to "us". That's the Fed's message, and they've been hard at work implementing it for a long time, waging wars big and small.
      3. +2
        6 December 2022 09: 44
        Quotes from Vladimir Putin's speech at Valdai

        Such public appearances are made exclusively for the public. How many beautiful speeches were said, but 300K was frozen, the speech did not help.
      4. +3
        6 December 2022 10: 24
        This is not our method. We are going the other way.
        "And we will never turn off the crooked path, But it will be necessary, we will go the crooked path again" (c)
        1. -5
          6 December 2022 11: 18
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          "And we will never turn off the crooked path, But it will be necessary, we will go the crooked path again"

          Any work has an impact on a person, starting from childhood. Boys play with cars, girls play with dolls. Boys become boys and girls become girls.

          Service in the Foreign Intelligence Service left its mark on the President. If the issue can be resolved "quietly", then it is solved quietly. If you can't solve the problem "quietly", then you have nothing to do in the SVR.

          Why run into rudeness if the issue of lowering the dollar (euro) is being solved and is being solved successfully. Why would the Central Bank be needed, in its current state, when there is no demand for dollars and euros?

          The zeros in the computer are the zeros, and 20% of the World's natural reserves are our 20% of the World's natural reserves. Do they set the price for our product? Well, well, let's see what happens. Let them walk around the market looking for fools.
      5. +1
        6 December 2022 12: 03
        In whatever national currencies we or other countries pay, they are all tied to the dollar.
        So this payment is essentially a sham.
        Dependence on the dollar will be for a very long time.
        Unfortunately there is currently no replacement.
        In my opinion, the States are weakening Europe not only as a competitor, but also its currency - the euro - as a dangerous competitor.
  4. +1
    6 December 2022 06: 35
    European politicians are faced with the difficult task of finding a way acceptable to all to embezzle hundreds of billions of euros from Russia.
    At the same time, as the same Bloomberg writes, in the West they suddenly announced that they did not know where (where) a third of the amount blocked by them had gone. Probably already quietly shoved into their pockets, which is unlikely. But the fact remains. Ursula, of course, "lights up" trying to come up with new options for the expropriation of Russian ZRV. But the gentlemen still should not forget about Western assets in Russia, which we can also direct, for example, to the restoration of Donbass.
  5. +12
    6 December 2022 07: 04
    This is my personal question!
    Didn't our leadership know/didn't assume that with the start of the SVO the money would be arrested? And could not they be withdrawn from all these "reliable" banks in advance? If you didn’t guess, then our bankers together with Nabiullina are worthless! If you knew / guessed - then this is definitely a betrayal! And under Stalin, they would have been sawing wood somewhere in Komi for a long time, or washing gold in Kolyma at best, and at worst, they would lie under the wall with a hole in their forehead!
    1. 0
      6 December 2022 12: 11
      In order to receive some kind of loans, to have more or less some kind of ratings, each country is required to have international currency on the accounts of the leading countries.
      This confirms its financial viability and the ability to pay debts or any other government loans.
      Helps investors to correctly assess the financial position of a country and the associated volatility in the financial markets.
    2. 0
      7 December 2022 23: 27
      THEY haven’t recovered from 2014 yet, and you’re already asking them for 2022.
  6. 0
    6 December 2022 07: 57
    Sometimes you wonder what is more important in modern life. Either business or military. This dependence on exports forces us to postpone urgent problems and only look for a buyer. When you are looking for a buyer, you will definitely lose the price of the goods. As a smart political scientist from Donetsk said, "Such is the commercial logic of war."
  7. -3
    6 December 2022 07: 58
    Question. What happens if 300 billion euros are injected into the European economy at once?
    1. +5
      6 December 2022 09: 12
      Quote: Boris55
      Question. What happens if 300 billion euros are injected into the European economy at once?

      Boris, what will happen to your family's economy if three hundred million rubles are thrown into it all at once? wink
      1. 0
        6 December 2022 09: 28
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Boris, what will happen to your family's economy if three hundred million rubles are thrown into it all at once?

        There will be no family.
        1. +4
          6 December 2022 09: 42
          Quote: Boris55
          There will be no family.

          So you never had it. I have confidence in my wife and family. Build a house, start a business. It is only in your imagination that you can spoil the porridge with butter.
          1. -4
            6 December 2022 10: 01
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I have confidence in my wife and family.

            All the rich are unhappy in the same way.

            Are you sure that backbiters, relatives, up to the tenth generation, will not begin to claim their right to "your" part of the wealth? This is nothing to take from the beggar and an idyll in the family, but from the rich - there will be someone ...
      2. 0
        6 December 2022 16: 12
        I'm not Boris, but I'll get stupid! And specifically!
    2. 0
      6 December 2022 09: 47
      What happens if 300 billion euros are injected into the European economy at once?

      The question is why they saved up in such quantities?
      1. 0
        6 December 2022 10: 07
        Quote: nickname7
        The question is why they saved up in such quantities?

        This is our price for losing the Cold War.
  8. -1
    6 December 2022 08: 00
    In 2013, our Country gave Ukraine a loan of 3 yards. In 2014, well-known events took place and the new government of the 404th refused to return the money. VV repeatedly recalled this money and said - return the money. Why am I... Now BB doesn't even remember those 300 yards, because they did it on purpose. There are more Western funds in our country than our funds they have, three times. BB is cool, he'll just make another 600-700 yards by nationalizing their funds if they do take our reserves.
    1. +1
      6 December 2022 11: 11
      "There are more Western funds in our Country than our funds they have, three times"
      that is, it is their gold and wealth funds are in our banks? or was it just a hectare of our territory that was some kind of a Ford screwdriver assembly plant, or a BMW, which the owners estimated at 100500 million? but in fact, only the walls remained there, and a little equipment, for example, three rubles. we do not have any commensurate Western assets, there is nothing to freeze. there, in the west, there are no fools to keep their money in a foreign country
      1. 0
        6 December 2022 12: 10
        There are many joint ventures in the oil and gas and petrochemical fields, banks, public catering. Real estate investment, etc. Plants for SKD assembly of cars, these are trifles. Practically any large business in our country involves the participation of Western borrowed funds. Previously, subjectively, it saddened me personally, now it’s the other way around.
        1. +1
          6 December 2022 12: 44
          "There are a lot of joint ventures in the oil and gas and petrochemical fields, banks, public catering. Investments in real estate, etc. SKD plants for assembling cars, these are trifles. Almost any large business we have involved Western borrowed funds."
          it's all just walls. Participation in big business consists only in receiving dividends. We don’t have any gold and foreign exchange assets of the West, on our territory. And all loans from the West, in the West, are stored
          1. 0
            6 December 2022 12: 57
            Well, like walls. Example: The ShchigidymOil company in 2018 takes a loan of 50 yards at 2% in the West, because our banks give at 8%. Takes and builds a refinery. Now the refinery is working and making a profit, ShchigidymOil is paying the loan in the West out of profits. A situation arises, our reserves are withdrawn by the West, and in return we forgive them the credit for ShchigidyOil, and now the profit of the refinery goes to the state. That's what kind of participation "Western money" I'm talking about. And the kind of credit money that you can forgive them for much more than 300 yards.
  9. -2
    6 December 2022 08: 13
    The West has long turned into a zilch, you can say anything, but practically the arms are short.
  10. +2
    6 December 2022 08: 32
    In the meantime, Ursula needs to understand one thing - this principle can also be retroactive, that is, provoke a war in response to the confiscation of funds.
    The idea is interesting, and could even be implemented if not for a few small but nasty BUT ...
    1. Kindergarten has already begun - they stole from us, we stole from them - parity is approximately observed, the bankers are happy and there is no need to get your hands dirty.
    2. The position of the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation by person seems to be put forward by the State Duma and approved by the president, but for some reason it is coordinated with the Fed and the State Department. And these guys will never agree on a person who does not agree to store reserves in the depository of the issuing country.
    3. In the structure of frozen assets, some part of state money, and some, and perhaps even more, is money for the management of which very specific persons claim. And if they do not care about the first part, then they would like to quietly and peacefully return the second part under their control. Accordingly, it is not profitable for them to fight, it is beneficial to agree, ONLY WITHOUT NOISE AND DUST.
    You can cite a dozen more points, but this is enough for all interested parties to create such a fog in which all ends will be lost. And there is no end in sight to this.
  11. 0
    6 December 2022 08: 45
    Judging by which side of the sawn-off branch the political elite of the EU sits, highly profitable investments are expected exclusively in their own pension under the protection of PMCs.
  12. +3
    6 December 2022 09: 42
    Russia can answer, but will not answer. Will continue to trade with enemies.
    Sea oil transportation was limited to $60, but so what, we will still trade with them, because there are still oil pipelines. And 60 dollars is almost market price. That's why we won't answer. And Russia is boiled like a frog, gradually raising the temperature as it gets used to it. Instead of punching the one who took the money in the face, we play something else there, we sign contracts! Yes, shut off ALL oil valves to Europe and the USA! And trade until the money is returned
    or gasp! The people of Russia will suffer if it is necessary for the cause. Well, I don't understand..
  13. +1
    6 December 2022 10: 33
    And what to think then?
    how many times in Russia did loans disappear, then pension money, then money for the export of metal, gas, oil, then the gold of the party ....
    The world has a lot of experience in robbery. And the extra billions (not even millions) will always come in handy ...
  14. 0
    6 December 2022 10: 49
    It's all very dull there.
    NATO's American think tank, the Atlantic Council, said, citing US and European officials, that the hundreds of billions of dollars in the Bank of Russia's sanctioned reserves authorities are unable to locate. Officials are ready, judging by the published material, to convince themselves that a significant part of the reserves from the declared amounts does not exist.
    In fact, we are talking about the fact that out of the $ 300 billion of Russian gold reserves, the arrest of which the G7 countries announced back in the spring, less than a third was actually found and blocked. A new interpretation is already being proposed: $300 billion from the reports is an estimate based on data from the Russian Central Bank. In any case, Charles Lichfield, deputy head of the Center for Geoeconomics at the Atlantic Council, adheres to this point of view.
  15. +1
    6 December 2022 11: 26
    Ursula no one t call her nothing.
    She, a gynecologist in economics, will not be able to come up with something on her own.
    So she voices what she is told.
    And note that the conversation is not about confiscation, as the Ukroshumer scumbags dream of, but about putting this money into circulation, and using only interest.
    Is it easy to do?
    I doubt it.
    By the way, yesterday I also heard that they found only one hundred billion.
    The rest can be not only in European or US banks, but in various hidden assets.
    In general, this is a troublesome business and not so simple.
    And who definitely shouldn’t open a havalnik for this money is Ukraine.
    The owner will not share with the slave.
  16. 0
    6 December 2022 11: 47
    The article is right on topic, although the author probably didn’t do it on purpose)

    Today, the Atlantic Council, the analytical structure of NATO (recognized as an undesirable organization in the Russian Federation), issued absolutely crazy news.

    Do you know that out of these 300 billion dollars, only 100 were found and blocked?)
    The estimate of 300 billion was based solely and exclusively on data from the Russian Central Bank itself.

    Where are the other 200 billion and whether they were at all could not be established)))
  17. -1
    6 December 2022 12: 22
    Apparently, the GDP was personally aware of the withdrawal of this money to the West, such things are not done so easily, it takes several months, and after all, the GDP already at the end of 2021 knew that there would be a CBO.
    Here, on VO, there was an article at the very beginning of 2023, which, probably, few people paid attention to.
    It was said there that the Central Bank of the Russian Federation imported into the country several tons of cash dollars and euros.
    I think everyone understands that several tons of cash is a huge amount.
    Apparently, the freezing (theft) of Russian money was provided for, since they were insured by the import of foreign currency.
    For what purpose were they released?
    I have only one assumption: this is a kind of payment for pushing the world to move away not only from the dollar, but also to refuse to keep their money in the West and in the USA, this freeze will greatly affect the search for a new world currency, weaken the countries of the West, because after few people will dare to place their reserves.
    Well, at the same time to show that the modern financial system is not only dangerous, but also subject to a complete reorganization.
    There is another fact: after freezing the growth of reserves, many Arab countries began to hastily withdraw their money from there.
    I don’t know about other countries, but there are rumors that Asian countries have also begun this process.
    True, under very cultural pretexts, carefully, but they began to withdraw.
    Here is my opinion of an amateur from economics and finance.
    1. -1
      6 December 2022 14: 43
      The Arabs have already been "put in their place" by military force and will be put again. This "financial system" is based on a powerful fist. Freemasons will not allow to destroy their power over the planet, and there is no force capable of resisting them, as recent events have shown, in the modern world.
      1. 0
        6 December 2022 17: 53
        There are natural historical processes.
        There are also natural economic processes.
        Like it or not, they work.
        1. -3
          6 December 2022 19: 08
          Well, if you think in millennia, then yes. In the short term, on this knot, there is no sword of his own.
          You are waiting in vain for adequate multi-move, from wrestlers. There, thinking through and through from the 90s, when they divided and seized. They shared it merrily, with fireworks. Many are still alive, remember.
          1. 0
            6 December 2022 21: 02
            Not millennia, namely that in about 20-30 years and everything will change.
            The states urgently need some country to plunder, in their opinion, Russia is suitable for this role.
            Of course, now they won’t get such an effect from it, as they got from the collapse of the USSR (and they got a very good jackpot, because in the 80s a financial crisis was already brewing there, which the former USSR helped to cope with, because the Russian Federation is not the USSR, she is much smaller.
            At the moment, apart from Russia, they have no one to rob, even Europe is not suitable for this role: there are too few natural resources, so for the States with their current economy this is a drop in the ocean.
            China is rich, but there is nothing there that is abundantly enough in Russia, and China is currently strong, although, despite all its apparent strength, its economy is in a very difficult position.
            Africa is also rich, but everything is very difficult there because of the climate and because of the many small states that are at war with each other almost all the time, and therefore there is no need to wait for peace.
            There are few good politicians.
            But think about it: is it by chance?
            And are they as inadequate as you think?
            The goal of modern European politicians is quite obvious and they are moving towards their goal clearly, without deviating from the path.
            Another thing is that their policy is not in the interests of Europe.
            Well, this is not the first time in history when rulers act in the interests of other countries, so I don’t see anything new in their seemingly strange actions.
            1. -1
              6 December 2022 23: 04
              Everything would have been exactly the same if the original message had been true. In reality, this is just a propaganda stamp, in the likeness of the braces involved in the Victory of the Soviet People, who fought and won with bourgeois aggression.
              There are no states that need to rob someone, as there are no states in principle. This platform of the printing press of cut paper and a club for the whole planet, does not intersect anywhere with the actual population and authorities of individual, I emphasize individual, states, each living in its own laws, often contrary to federal ones. There is a "super-elite" of capitalism that owns this machine, dictates its conditions and makes them fulfill, now after the death of the USSR, the entire planet. They don’t need to rob us, through the bourgeois government subordinate to them they will receive everything they need, in the Civil War on the outskirts they will thoroughly reduce the Russian People, the rest will be finally digitalized. The confrontation with that bluff system, the times when the national bourgeoisie were patriotic and butted within the framework of statehood, have long sunk into oblivion. The world has long been global. Masons, having destroyed the last barrier, got the whole planet on a plate with a border and reformatted the populations of all countries. Ours is no exception. Finish.
              1. 0
                7 December 2022 18: 42
                Globalization is now slowly blowing away, although smart countries began this process even before the Russian NWO.
                Robbing other countries through your people is not the same thing as owning them directly.
                Digitalization is best carried out in China and Russia, here they are ahead of everyone.
                European countries refused to actively implement it in all areas, because, as they announced, it threatens their national security (by the way, they are 100% right in this).
                Talk about a printing press.
                On the one hand, you are right.
                But, on the other hand, the world sees and understands everything, so its unrestrained inclusion is very dangerous for the States.
                Their economy can easily be brought down by any country that has a lot of US government debt bonds, and even China.
                It is clear that he can greatly lower his economy by this, but, if anything, he will go for it.
                The world has long understood that the dollar is just paper, not even worth the paints to make it.
                However, at his expense, the States are kept at the top.
                What do you think: countries that the States have greatly annoyed cannot unite and overthrow him with common efforts, even if to the detriment of the world economy?
                At the same time, an increasing number of people begin to see an understanding of the role of the United States in all conflicts after the collapse of the USSR.
                So they will support the efforts of their countries to rid the world of this overly aggressive policeman.
                More and more nations in the world hate them, remember at least the countries of the Middle East, Asia, Africa, not to mention Russia, China.
                Even seemingly loyal Turkey is increasingly filled with hatred for them, read at least any Turkish sites.
                There, for the most part, support for Russia and the NWO is not out of love for Russia, but in defiance of the States.
                And there, more and more often, the desire of the people to get away from them towards Russia and China is manifested.
                No matter how digitalization is carried out, the strength and hatred of the people is a very powerful thing.
                1. -1
                  7 December 2022 23: 32
                  We walk in circles. Globalization is not blown away, it is completed. The peoples do not influence anything and do not decide anything, they are bogged down in the Masonic swamp with all their limbs and their fate is not enviable. Hatred to generate and use for their own purposes, only they know how. There is no Union, there is no barrier and opposition. The enslavement of the world is complete. Debt is good when it is repaid. China won’t be able to bring down anything, it will get on the head and crawl on its knees. The well-being, 400 million of China’s elite, rests on the system built by the Freemasons. The only counterweight was destroyed, with his own hands, by the thumping Soviet proletariat, letting the hucksters into power.
  18. 0
    6 December 2022 12: 28
    You can't just rob Russia like that. But it can be destroyed. So what are we talking about?
  19. 0
    6 December 2022 12: 31
    The Central Bank has already frozen from 300 to 500 billion dollars of foreign investors. It would be fair to confiscate these considerable reserves for the needs of a special operation.


    And how to sell them if the liquidity in the stock and debt markets of the Russian Federation is 10 times less than it was? 300-500 billion dollars is not cash, but the assets of non-residents, and it was these comrades who created almost all the liquidity in the market. No, you can, of course, sell it to residents for a penny, but then it will be the market price not 300 billion, but rather 50 billion, and then at the limit.
  20. +2
    6 December 2022 13: 22
    This is stolen by the authorities from the people! And I would never come back to Russia...
  21. +2
    6 December 2022 14: 18
    "... Soldiers, brave kids! Our king was shown a fig! Let's all die as one!..."
    .
    But in fact? How will this confiscation affect the Russians? Does anyone believe that this money would ever return to the country? Washington and Moscow are sharing the money stolen from Russia, but what is it to us? We are waiting and hoping only for improvement: they will stop sending and start investing in their homeland.
    .
    However, Moscow does not seem to be able to change its strategy. He changes European banks to Chinese ones, and again we have a fiddle with butter.
    .
    By the way. We claim 100 billion stolen, while the Americans say they found only 200. Where is the missing 2007 billion? In 300, 200 billion reserves were written off as losses from the crisis, now XNUMX billion will be written off to the NWO ...
  22. -1
    6 December 2022 14: 32
    "How will Russia respond?
    You should not think that the Kremlin does not have leverage over overly zealous European parliamentarians of leverage..."

    The Kremlin has no leverage over the overly zealous, but the "zealous" arbitrarily. They have personal loot, nidvizhuha and kids there, with the "zealous" on the territory. Only a very smart and advanced lover of the power of the oligarchs can separate the wrestlers from the supposedly warned oligarchs. And, excuse me, who are the wrestlers? Not oligarchs, right?
  23. 0
    6 December 2022 15: 36
    How will Russia respond?

    Lines from Nekrasov:
    "Created a song like a groan
    And forever rested in the Bose"

    I have just one question for our Central Bank...
    Why, when they learned about the beginning of the NWO from TV ... Why, after an hour, all 300 (600?) billion according to the backup option "Grab bags, the station is leaving" were not transferred to all our offshores?
  24. +1
    6 December 2022 23: 36
    As far as I know: the main amount of blocked assets is the reserves of our Central Bank. Most of them are American papers. The main active player is the USA. Why an article about Europe? Most blocked by the US!
    Ursula when she says "we" she means the whole West, because she considers it to be one.
    Or a policy is being pursued: such as the Americans have blocked and are sitting silent. And all the political dirty work of appropriation should be done by Europe - another wedge in relations between Europe and Russia. And when the Euro-Assholes, having got dirty, do the dirty work, the Americans will quietly appropriate most of it ...
  25. 0
    7 December 2022 23: 20
    I don't know, just an old soldier. We studied at the main army military school. An attack requires a counterattack. Russia must defend itself. If not. The enemy, that is Europe, will see this as a weakness. Russia is also unpopular. It is necessary to "bar your teeth" not only on Europe, but also on the Jewish lobby in the USA am
  26. -1
    8 December 2022 13: 56
    Quote: Lyuba1965_01
    In whatever national currencies we or other countries pay, they are all tied to the dollar.
    So this payment is essentially a sham.
    Dependence on the dollar will be for a very long time.
    Unfortunately there is currently no replacement.
    In my opinion, the States are weakening Europe not only as a competitor, but also its currency - the euro - as a dangerous competitor.

    There is a replacement for the emu - this is the equivalent - gold. Yes, national currencies need an equivalent, and it can be gold, for example
  27. 0
    9 December 2022 16: 49
    Quote: VicktorVR
    and Ursula's statements are direct confirmation

    Now we don’t need to talk about Ursulka, it’s all a fog behind which the liberal media are trying to hide the main thing:
    Merkel admitted that she fooled Putin.
    If they had not looked at the West as the last resort, then the Minsk Preludes would not have happened.
    All the same, it was necessary to take Lviv and Odessa in 2014:

    "" A remarkable interview was recently given to the German publication Zeit by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a direct participant in the development of the Minsk agreements on a settlement in the Donbass. She admitted that she actually contributed to the conclusion of the Minsk agreements in order to give the Kyiv regime time "to become stronger," " - said Mr. Buyakevich (quote from the published text of the speech)."

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kommersant.ru/amp/5718256

    How much can you trust the West?
    Well, okay, obese Yanukovych believed during the Maidan, ours, he can blindly play chess with all the heads of the European Union at the same time. Why did they go to the Minsk swamp, dotted with MONamm 100?