Who was hit by the bullets of the FSB officers

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Who was hit by the bullets of the FSB officers

On November 23, many media outlets told news about the fact that the Ukrainian DRG was liquidated in Voronezh, which planned acts of sabotage at the facilities of the Voronezh energy structure.

Well, there are no surprises here, bookmarks and caches with various useful things over the past 10 years, Ukrainians have left in abundance, but this is generally a separate conversation. I understand very well how much weapons and explosives lie in secret places, and these thoughts add up to not very pleasant sensations.



And how many cadres from the SBU and other departments could call in under the guise of refugees, I just keep quiet about this. Okay, there, “sleepers”, organized from those who fled from Lugansk and Donetsk, but when people from Zaporozhye, Kharkiv and Kherson regions went, just put out the light. What is there under the guise of ours is not at all ours - well, there is simply no doubt.

So - well, really, what kind of surprises can there be after the Crimean bridge?

Surprises began when the strange edition of The Moscow Times published information that the dead were Voronezh airsoft players. In social networks, by the way, the noise has also risen. Small, but it was.


And then the interesting things started. To begin with, "VKontakte" lost almost all information on this topic.

After that, Lenta produced material that was simply a masterpiece, the meaning of which boiled down to the fact that The Moscow Times lied. Well, then others picked it up.


It turned out to be an interesting situation, as in that historical case when “Who was killed? - Come on! Whoever needs to be killed!"

In general, of course, the level of work of Lenta does not stand up to criticism.

“On November 23, the FSB of Russia reported the destruction of members of a conspiratorial cell of supporters of the Ukrainian nationalist ideology in the Voronezh region. At the same time, at the places of residence of the defendants, as well as in a specially equipped cache, two improvised explosive devices ready for use and components for their manufacture, cold and firearms, ammunition of various calibers, as well as means of secret communication were found - all the finds were photographed and shot operational shooting.

"Means of secret communications" are cheap Chinese radios. And in general, what was shown on the footage of the search in the home of one of the members of the DRG is the usual garbage dump of an airsoft player with experience, nothing more.








Firearms and improvised explosive devices are much more serious. The fact that it was in an abandoned house where the battle took place (and I don’t think that the FSB officers just took it and started shooting first just like that) causes other thoughts.

In general, within the framework of this article, I am absolutely not going to discuss or criticize the actions of the FSB. They led, followed, tried to take, something went wrong, because all three defendants were killed. I am sure that the situation did not go as planned, because it turned out the way it did.






The main questions I would like to raise are who and why?

First, two more quotes.

"Ribbon":
“Information about the fascination with airsoft saboteurs liquidated by the FSB has spread mainly in the Ukrainian segment and the media, included by the Russian Ministry of Justice in the list of media-foreign agents – in particular, The Insider and Meduza. At the same time, a large number of federal publications disseminated official intelligence information: MK.RU, RIA Novosti, TASS, Izvestia, RBC, Life, and many others. The Notebook Voronezh portal also published material criticizing the claims of The Moscow Times Russian Service.

And the second, from "Vesti":

“Flag of the far-right nationalist party Volia. The ultra-right banners on the Kiev Maidan had such banners ... Who was their customer, it’s clear that way, ”Vesti correspondent Alexander Revunov

And here is all this?



In order to start exposing and criticizing someone, I should probably say a few words in my direction, simply because I will refer to ... myself.

The fact is that being somewhat younger, I was fond of so-called role-playing games. And in 2005, in a peculiar form, he held several games on the "Roadside Picnic" by the Strugatskys. And in 2007 - according to the very, as it is now emphatically called, "Ukrainian game" STALKER ". So, in fact, stalkers appeared in the Chernozem region, which were fundamentally different from airsoft players. In 2015, I ended up doing this for many reasons and closed my Stalker-Voronezh club. But of course, I maintain relations with many participants in my former project, and therefore somehow I am aware of what is happening.

The bulk of the townsfolk, most likely, just do not care who was there, a stalker or an airsoft player. The topic hooked me exactly when the flag of “Freedom” was shown on camera from the game, which had nothing to do with Maidan. But we will talk about this a little lower.

Yes, it turned out to be, as you understand, easy to gather for a talk with your friends who brought those who knew the dead to the meeting. I was shown the closed page of one of the defendants, they gave me the full characteristics of the guys.






As a result, the Ukrainian DRG somehow gave way to a kind of combined formation of three people, two of whom are Russian citizens aged 22 and 29. Vasily and Vladimir, respectively. It is not known who was the third, the guys were identified from the video, there were signs by which this could be done. The third is unknown, perhaps it was just the eldest, and he could be anyone. under investigation

Why?


For me personally (and not only for me, I hope) the main question is why seemingly intelligent (and this is so) guys started doing such an impartial business as working for a neighboring state with which their homeland is at war?

After all, really, they were not stupid fools who moved out on the theme of love for Ukraine, based on a computer game. It really is complete nonsense. They were not like that, they frankly regret about Vladimir in the stalker get-together, they tell how warm he was in communication with a person with whom one could both go on reconnaissance and have a drink. It’s more difficult with Vasily, they showed me what kind of correspondence he had with those he trusted. Many questions have disappeared.

Have you noticed that I do not question the issue of the cooperation of the guys with representatives of that side? I don't bet. This is generally a separate and painful question, but I do not put it. Despite the fact that I only have official chewing gum from the media and conversations with the same as the dead.

The question "Why?" unfortunately has an answer


In my practice of 10 years, having passed through projects more than one and a half thousand people at that very opposite age, basically, I clearly understood one thing: the less you lie to them, the more they respect you. The guys who came with me to the meeting at the request of my friends, they only heard about me. But they came and told a lot of things, on the basis of which I drew certain conclusions in this stories. They came and took their word that I would not tell anything here that could harm them.

And here everything is simple: these organisms, from 20 to 30 years old, they are not as stupid as the state would like. Yes, work on stupefaction is underway, but many have immunity at the genetic level.

But there are exceptions to the mass. And these are not the worst representatives of the generation. And alas, they see how much our state does not care about them. Is not it so? I hear the muttering of my generation: “We raised a generation of consumers!”. Sorry, if you do not consume, you can die. Regarding food. Or freeze, if we are talking about clothes. Every society consumes, and this is normal, the only question is quantity and quality.

But here it's completely different. Let's be honest: when does the state need us? The list is short. Pay taxes, serve (who is supposed to), go to the polls (it is not necessary to vote, everyone will draw for you later). Here, mobilization has been added and the prospect of dying for something that is not entirely clear. Yeah, and don't rock the boat. Everything will be decided for you, because "there are no fools sitting there." Not a very busy list, right? Well, isn't it?

The duties of a citizen do not take much time. So is the enforcement of rights, isn't it?

What's in return? Yes, nothing too. A parody of education, for which you have to dump a lot of money, a parody of medicine, when it is easier for the policy to die in line from old age, and a great prospect of applying to private medicine. Culture, or rather, its wretched absence. And television, glorifying pop stars and politicians under the guise of an ideology for the masses.

It turned out just a gorgeous situation: the state clearly does not care about citizens, their existence, the main thing is that they take more loans. And they didn’t scream under the windows. And citizens, respectively, do not care about the state.

And then came the SVO. And everything fell into place. And more than a million rushed out of the country simply because they do not consider themselves obliged to die for misunderstood (namely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

However, the state was not particularly eager to tell.

In order to go to die for something, you have to believe in it.

And we have these, 20-30, there is absolutely no faith. This is not the reality in which they are comfortable.

Back to the quotes above?

Here is a Vesti correspondent, Mr. Revunov, with a blue eye, writes about the Volya flag, which was at the home of one of the defendants in the case.


He is simply too lazy to go online and look at what flag the real Ukrainian Volya party had. Not like that at all. And the footage really shows the flag of "Freedom" from the game STALKER And it appeared much earlier than the "Will" party.



But it takes 5 minutes (it just took me) to spend.

And then our official and important media picked up: there were no Voronezh airsoft stalkers, there was a Ukrainian DRG. Stupid people from Ukraine who came to our land to blow up and brought their flags!

Well, of course, how without a flag? Every self-respecting saboteur at home is simply obliged to have the flag of his party (“Will” there, PS and others), a portrait of Bandera and the flag of Ukraine. With the obligatory singing in the morning "Ukraine has not died yet ..."

And of course, "information about the passion for airsoft saboteurs was not confirmed." Of course, but someone tried to confirm?

What to do?


I don't make excuses at all. I don't know how it happened and how the Ukrainian handlers found Vasyl. The fact that there are no fools on the other side, no matter how the media shows it, is a fact. They monitor social networks, they look for those who are dissatisfied, I don’t know how, but they find them, as you can see. They were taught, after all.

I am not at all enthusiastic about the Voronezh FSB, there were many well-founded claims. But there were also people (I hope there are) with whom it was pleasant to communicate and even do something like that. At one time, in 2014-15.

But now I don’t envy them, I even sympathize. There, in the service, there are many people with a strong university education, really smart and understanding. They really are not for their warm and tasty life, they are for Russia. In their own way, yes, but they are for Russia and for Russia.

And what is their perspective? There are hundreds of thousands of those who fled from the belligerent country, these same 20-30. And how many are left, who are not for Russia, but even vice versa? What to do with all this? How to work with them so that they do not work for the enemy? What words to find? And who should do it? FSB? Come on…

Yes, now someone will start the usual hurdy-gurdy about "burn with a red-hot iron", "these are traitors to the Motherland" and so on.

Burn out? Kill? Plant? Everyone? What if your kids are there? You know, no offense, gentlemen reading, but how many confessions I have received over these ten years, you can not imagine. And who do you, parents, often look like in the eyes of your own children. This is nonsense, of course, that they, twenty years old, poured out their souls to a peer of their parents, who simply entertained them. But it was. And the reviews were often so-so.

We live in a sick society of a sick country. And we have a sick generation, poisoned by lies and modern life. And what to do with them?

What is to be done with a whole generation that does not believe in its state one iota, because it does not see any grounds for faith? Because there are lies and theft all around the country, moreover, absolutely without hesitation? Revisions and correspondence of laws, because it is necessary today? And everyone sees it. And they simply do not need such a Russia.

Of course, you can gurgle something there about ancestors who were a hundred years ago ... Lord, this is a hundred years ago! In another country and by other people! And now Russia, with its thieves and liars.

Do not want.

And the worst thing is that internal protest is expressed not on the Internet, but in real life. And I'm not sure that there will be fewer such cases. God forbid I'm wrong, but I'm not sure. Simply because they are aware of how those who in 10 years will have to become the pivotal generation look at this life.

But the recipe is simple. For starters, just stop lying.

But I know it's just not realistic. The Russian state stands on this, if they lie to the president in such a way that their ears are wrapped, they are afraid, but nevertheless, they lie - that's all. There is nothing to talk about.

In the title, I asked the question: who did the bullets of the Voronezh FSB officers fly at? The answer is simple: they flew to the very tomorrow that our today's 20-30s will organize for us. Because those who come to replace them will be even worse in this regard. More despising Russia, which is drowning in lies. More indifferent to everything. And not believing in anything, simply because they will no longer be left with anything to believe in.

Bullets - they just kill. It doesn't matter to them who - a volunteer, a mobilized or a Ukrainian saboteur who was born Russian. They just kill. They don't heal. Even from betrayal.

The dead do not support Russia or Ukraine. Neither the Russian army nor the Armed Forces. The dead will not create families, raise children, build and create something.

The dead know one thing - it's better to be alive.

But if there is no other way out than to die, so that no more trouble happens, in order to stop evil, you can only die for the truth. It’s not that “whoever has the truth is stronger, no.” Stronger is the one who has the truth and a machine gun. And in our country, everyone has their own truth.

What about those below? And they, too, may have their own truth. And I really don't like the moment how these truths begin to differ. And it is not at all clear who betrays whom more.

One thing is clear to me: that “tomorrow”, from the most terrible dreams that could come sometime later, has already become such a “today”. I never thought that like this, the Russian guys would take the side of the enemy, considering his cause to be right. But this happened, and we will only have to look further, as there will be other cases similar to Voronezh. And they will. Here you will see.

Over the abyss of lies.
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  1. +46
    4 December 2022 06: 21
    Fully agree with the message of the article. The problem is very important and it should be solved already yesterday... But it is necessary to start with the main thing: stop the Kremlin authorities from lying to their own people and deceiving the people.
    1. +31
      4 December 2022 06: 41
      ".... and Vaska listens and eats" .. But most likely he does not listen.
      1. +47
        4 December 2022 08: 40
        ".... and Vaska listens and eats"

        Vaska has been educating the people "for himself" for thirty years. He is raising the "new" ones with all his might, waiting with hope when those who made the USSR die out.
        That's what he brought up. Who is offended? Mice do not want to protect Vaska from kicks and dogs? Well, they are mice, why would they.
        1. +7
          4 December 2022 09: 13
          Quote: dauria
          waiting with hope when those who made the USSR die out.

          This will not help.
          Quote: dauria
          Well, they are mice, why would they.

          Not all of them are mice, many of them understand much more than they might seem.
          1. +1
            6 December 2022 13: 19
            There are too many English flags in the video.
            Doesn't fit somehow with STALKER
            Perhaps they went to the "sympathizer". And they organized a ter-group based on the club of players.
            Considering that now the war - they raked everyone in the club, not really bothering themselves with a long investigation and observation (although those who fired back from military weapons are definitely saboteurs). The author was lucky that he left there seven years ago.
            We will never know the exact data, this is not allowed in the media (and they are doing it right, since from these data it is possible to calculate the channel for the flow of information to the FSB). I hope the uninvolved are released.
        2. +4
          4 December 2022 12: 15
          Quote: dauria
          He is raising the "new" ones with all his might, waiting with hope when those who made the USSR die out.

          The attitude towards communism has not changed in the past 30 years among the inhabitants of Russia. By order of the Russian government, a similar opinion poll was conducted several years ago, it seems, even before the events in Ukraine. If Putin is not, he understands that until his death he will have to live with the awareness of this fact. Opportunities for propaganda are very limited. It can deform consciousness, but the real behavior of a person is determined by his position in society.
          1. -9
            4 December 2022 18: 20
            What, he will lead Russia to death. Yes, we are lucky.
            1. +1
              4 December 2022 20: 36
              Quote from Deon59
              will lead Russia to death. Yes, we are lucky

              Totally agree with you. Putin is a fairly democratic ruler on the political horizon. Novodvorskaya and Starovoitova were already salivating, demanding a ban on the profession and lustrations for their political opponents. Yes, and in Yavlinsky's entourage there are many characters who, while still in opposition, demand a ban on political activity for their opponents.
              1. -13
                4 December 2022 21: 27
                Quote: gsev
                Novodvorskaya and Starovoitova were already salivating, demanding a ban on the profession and lustrations for their political opponents.

                I’m judging by myself, if I were in power, the Belarusians would have access to the Baltic, and Poland would have already received a dozen ICBMs, and all of Europe would have paid in gold for the cost of NMD, otherwise it would have shared the fate of Poland. But then they would sit down at the negotiating table. But alas, I'm not there.
                1. +13
                  5 December 2022 08: 07
                  topol717 (Eugene)
                  But then they would sit down at the negotiating table.
                  With whom? With burnt corpses? fool
                  But alas, I'm not there.
                  And thank God, don't let them bring people like you to solve the issues of war and peace.
                2. +2
                  5 December 2022 12: 10
                  Quote from: topol717
                  if I were in power, Belarusians would get access to the Baltic

                  Politics is the art of the possible. In 2000, no one believed that Russia would be able to pay off the debts taken by the Yeltsin camarilla and defend the North Caucasus from the expansion of Ichkeria and international Islamic terrorism. I think you, like me then, were not thinking about Belarus' access to the sea, but about how not to fall into poverty.
          2. +6
            4 December 2022 20: 48
            Quote: gsev
            but the real behavior of a person is determined by his position in society.

            The real behavior of a person is determined by his upbringing! Parents, first of all, education, the environment in which he grows up, the books he reads (and he doesn’t read them at all!), the culture of his people. And the situation can be in a criminal society! So, you are wrong .. This is a lost generation, a generation of humiliated parents, grandparents living in poverty, a defeated culture, a humiliated country .. So they got a generation without ideals, worshiping pleasure and money ... And who is to blame? The General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU M, S, Gorbachev, who ruined the Great Country and drank Russia, Mr. Yeltsin, is guilty ... ... Here is the reason, and as a result, the lost generation ...
            1. -5
              4 December 2022 21: 09
              Quote: 30 vis
              The real behavior of a person is determined by his upbringing! Parents first, education

              In the 20th century, successful people had to live in spite of their upbringing. Grandfather's great-grandfather taught to hold on to the plow and not to betray peasant labor. But the grandfather fled from the collective farm to the city and saved the family from starvation. Kuma was taught not to steal. He did not steal on the collective farm and his family died of hunger. My college friend and I were taught the importance of technical education and work in a large enterprise. I quit this job in 1993 and was able to get married and continue my family. The comrade worked all his life as a designer in the aviation industry, remained a beggar and his family will be interrupted. So life easily and simply changes the results of both education and upbringing.
            2. -3
              5 December 2022 08: 49
              This is the king, oh sorry, the hunchback is to blame, he is alone .... and all the rest of the Politburo collected noodles and innocent sheep.
              1. -1
                5 December 2022 11: 04
                Quote from VasyaRules
                This is the king, oh sorry, the hunchback is to blame, he is alone .... and all the rest of the Politburo collected noodles and innocent sheep.

                What are you talking about dear? Someone wrote about the non-collective responsibility of the Central Committee of the CPSU?
          3. -1
            5 December 2022 14: 24
            I was born in the early 60s, my children are in the late 80s. I talked quite a lot with many of their friends and buddies. Over a glass of tea and more. They are basically the product of education, upbringing and propaganda from the late Yeltsin and early Putin eras. They all have a different attitude towards the USSR, but towards modern Russia it is mostly contemptuous. At the same time, Western values ​​and concepts dominate in the minds of the majority, and not Soviet or Russian ones. However, in fact, society, the people have always been controlled by two main means: the stick and the carrot. There is still propaganda, but it affects adults much less. Therefore, to retain power, it is not so important what people have in their heads, it is important how much the rulers care about the strength of the carrot and stick and how they know how to use them. Although, of course, with the help of a stick, a carrot and propaganda, you can keep power well and fill your pockets, but they are most likely not enough to achieve significant achievements in the development of the country or wage successful wars.
        3. +13
          4 December 2022 15: 15
          You don’t answer for everyone ... for example, I remember the USSR very well because I was born there, but I also remember the 90s very well ... but we don’t have communists ... they ended before I was born.
          1. 0
            4 December 2022 16: 58
            That is, the Union was conditionally ruled by non-communists after your birth? No, it could well be .... why not? But then what did Spider-Man break?
            1. +5
              4 December 2022 20: 45
              Quote: frog
              That is, the Union was conditionally ruled by non-communists after your birth? No, it could well be .... why not? But then what did Spider-Man break?

              Naturally, given that I was born in 76 where there are real communists ... starting with Khrushch, all real communists were almost completely removed in 20 years.
              1. 0
                4 December 2022 21: 42
                That is, "real communists", if I understand you correctly, they began .... sorry, "remove" in 1956? Well, in order to remove everyone in twenty years ....
                And how much did you have to clean up? At least some statistics, let's say, and empirically voluntaristic, are there? And where did they all look when they began to "remove" them? Dumb as bulls going to the slaughter? Taking into account the total number of members of the CPSU and its change over the years, there were not very many of them .... I'm not mocking for the sake of, but for the sake of trying to understand your thought .....
                And yet from your words it turns out that there were no communists already in 1976?
                Who, then, ruled the country for another fifteen years? And at this point let me ask you, who then is Comrade Suslov?
                1. +1
                  4 December 2022 22: 44
                  Reading some comments a working version appears. In 1953-1956, during the reconstruction of the Kremlin, they found a secret passage down, and there was a lead sarcophagus. They opened it, and from there, as a lad in an embroidered shirt jumped out and let's bite everyone, and everyone immediately began to be reborn into Trotskyists and voluntarists, and then the USSR ended.
                  1. +4
                    4 December 2022 23: 11
                    Nuuuu ..... This is much more logical and plausible than the expressed thoughts of individual admirers of white water, which we have lost))). If necessary, you can replace the vyshyvanka with a kippah or something else lol
                  2. -1
                    5 December 2022 15: 06
                    Quote: Mother Teresa
                    Reading some comments a working version appears. In 1953-1956, during the reconstruction of the Kremlin, a secret passage was found

                    The comments were left by living people who lived in Russia an ordinary life not much different from the lives of others. Their comment is simply a reflection of what happened to them and to their environment.
                2. -2
                  5 December 2022 14: 56
                  Who? Partocrats ruled. And it’s not a problem to remove it, you don’t even need to kill, it’s enough to dismiss. Suslov is also the same partocrat. They no longer had anything to do with real communists. You still say that Zyuganov is a communist.
              2. +6
                5 December 2022 08: 04
                You are not quite right. There were, and many. But they were in the lower levels, they were not allowed further, they did not give a career. There, my mother. She died with her party card .. The top decomposed without a doubt, even the ascetic Suslov could not do anything .I was on business trips in the mid-80s in Uzbekistan - they launched a branch of the Smolensk "Crystal" in Yangiyer and was amazed by what I saw. What they wrote in the newspapers and what was happening on the ground ...
          2. +7
            4 December 2022 20: 01
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            but we don’t have communists ... they ended before I was born

            Yes, the entire current government is entirely degenerates from the CPSU. Including GDP.
            1. +2
              4 December 2022 20: 42
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              degenerates from the CPSU. Including GDP.

              Like all significant political opposition, GDP is over 60 years old. From the Komsomol until 1989, of the politicians elected in the elections, probably not a single one left the Komsomol. The party and the Komsomol are simply a mechanism for controlling their active and leading representatives. It was difficult to carry out sexual harassment to the director, heads of departments and shops, when any Komsomol member could raise the issue of the moral decay of her comrade in the Komsomol and the party.
            2. +3
              4 December 2022 20: 52
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Yes, the entire current government is entirely degenerates from the CPSU. Including GDP.

              Including most of the comrades who are former members of the CPSU of the USSR writing here. hi Here you were in whom. parties? In the eyes I see consisted belay
              1. 0
                4 December 2022 22: 57
                Quote: 30 vis
                Here you were in whom. parties? In the eyes I see consisted

                Today is Sunday, and your imagination somehow played out on Friday! laughing
                72 is the year of birth. And I was a bully, I was even expelled from the pioneers in the 6th grade. wink
                1. 0
                  5 December 2022 11: 10
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And I was a bully, I was even expelled from the pioneers in the 6th grade.

                  Well ? Did you join the Komsomol? Or straight to the zone? drinks
                  1. -1
                    5 December 2022 12: 17
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Well ? Did you join the Komsomol? Or straight to the zone?

                    In my class, a pioneer started selling chewing gum in GUM and was expelled from the pioneers for this at the end of the school year. The next year he came to school as a member of the Komsomol. His relative was a party worker and organized his admission to the Komsomol in the territory under her jurisdiction. The son of the second secretary of the city committee, having seen enough of his father's life, went into a gang of thieves, where it was much more fun and cooler. In the tenth grade, he sat down for several years. On a Komsomol assignment, I led a "school for those joining the Komsomol." At a briefing in the city committee, the instructor was asked, "Why do we accept all kinds of mediocrity, hooligans, slobs and idlers into the Komsomol?" We were clearly answered: "The Komsomol is not a collection of gifted and talented like-minded people, but an instrument for controlling the broad masses of young people." It is easier for the city committee and the school to control both excellent students and slackers if they are in the Komsomol, and not outside it. You can't join the Komsomol! I want to become a thief! And they don’t take anyone into thieves. Especially the Komsomol members!” These were the realities at the end of Soviet power during the life of Leonid Ilyich.
                    1. +4
                      5 December 2022 15: 41
                      Quote: gsev
                      at the decline of Soviet power during the life of Leonid Ilyich.

                      During the life of Leonid Ilyich, I could walk with a girl at two o'clock in the morning through any district of Sevastopol without being afraid of anyone .. The order on the street was ironclad. And at all times there were enough utyrks, enough and will be enough ...
                  2. +1
                    5 December 2022 16: 55
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Did you join the Komsomol? Or straight to the zone?

                    I didn't go there or there. In the Komsomol, they did not even consider accepting me in theory. 8 years of school, unsuccessful admission to the heel (charged the master in the scoreboard), and from the age of 16 at AvtoVAZ. Before the army.
                    1. 0
                      5 December 2022 20: 20
                      Jack London and Maxim Gorky are also people with an interesting fate. goodWho does not make mistakes does not live.
            3. 0
              4 December 2022 21: 02
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              but we don’t have communists ... they ended before I was born

              Yes, the entire current government is entirely degenerates from the CPSU. Including GDP.

              The opposition is the same ... let's take even more, almost all significant names from the current "patriotic" opposition, not only from the Komsomol and the CPSU, depend on age, but also felt great under EBN, often being in its government itself ... and now they have become patriotic fighters stigmatizing the system that they themselves did, unlike Putin.
              1. +4
                4 December 2022 23: 01
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                The position is the same.

                So no one argues. And the opposition is conditional, with constant agreements with the authorities.
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                did unlike Putin.

                Was he on the sidelines? belay Member of the CPSU, KGB officer. The same reincarnation as the environment. It was these people who contributed to the collapse of the Union.
                1. 0
                  5 December 2022 15: 01
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  It was these people who contributed to the collapse of the Union.

                  Firstly, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, Putin was just one of the KGB workers, and not even in the bosses, and he was in the GDR; the second, until the mid-90s, he was in St. Petersburg and did not steer the country. In contrast to his opposition, especially economic, like Delyagin and Khazin.
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2022 16: 51
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    just one of the KGB workers

                    Only? A member of the CPSU, too, just? He is now the President...
                    1. +2
                      5 December 2022 17: 34
                      Everything has changed and everything. Genesis determines consciousness, a person functions where he was defined. A real communist should ring with shackles "in hard labor", because he has no right to accept capitalism in any form and must fight it with the most radical methods. So the thesis that "there are no real communists today" has the right to life.
                      1. -1
                        5 December 2022 18: 22
                        Quote: Essex62
                        for capitalism has no right to accept in any form and must fight it with the most radical methods.

                        After coming to power, Lenin and his comrades were not going to destroy the capitalists, they simply introduced workers' control over their enterprises. In Russia, the capitalists are very proud, they completely refused to interact with the communists. In China and Laos, the capitalists and even the landlords were more accommodating, they did not ruin the estates there, but civilly divided what they had acquired by excessive exploitation, allowing both landowners and capitalists to continue to live in their native places. In Czechoslovakia, the capitalists simply became directors and chief engineers. The Communists did not apply for these positions without exception, sending their children not to universities, but as apprentices to the factory, where they themselves began their labor activity.
                      2. +2
                        5 December 2022 21: 32
                        Lenin's actions are due to the transition period, it was necessary first to understand what and how. The matter is new, unknown. Whether the bourgeoisie is proud or not does not play a role, its existence as a class is not permissible. Other examples are nothing. There were no communists there, since they went to an agreement with her. If they are "reforged", as in the Czech Republic, then it is possible.
                      3. -1
                        6 December 2022 01: 49
                        Quote: Essex62
                        There were no communists there, since they went to an agreement with her.

                        Real communists are not about whom the classics of the 19th century wrote in books, but those who create a stable working system capable of adapting to historical changes. From this point of view, viable communism is in the People's Republic of China, North Korea, Laos, SRV, although in each country it differs greatly from Lenin's or Stalin's. By the way, under Lenin, society recognized the bourgeoisie and small-scale commodity production in the form of the NEP. From a biological point of view, this was the best time for a Russian person, because it was at that time that the population of Russia grew sharply and the generation born in the NEP gave an inexhaustible mobilization potential in the war of 1941-1945.
                      4. -1
                        6 December 2022 11: 34
                        But Vladimir Ilyich is not at all the ultimate truth. And this mistake may have influenced further events. The hucksters saw that it could be different and believed in the possibility of a return. Society is not homogeneous. showed. Socialism denies the existence of hucksters in society, otherwise it is not socialism. In the slave-owning countries you listed, it is not even close.
                        Then Stalin, with his comrades-in-arms, rectified the situation. There were no such people in the 90s.
                        The best time for a worker in the Union is the end of the 60s-70s.
                      5. -1
                        6 December 2022 20: 50
                        Quote: Essex62
                        In the slave-owning countries you listed, it is not even close.

                        Why is Vietnam slaveholding? There, after graduating from a technical school, a girl easily finds a job worth 400 dollars. I am sure that in North Korea, China, Laos pimps, slave owners and parasites per capita are orders of magnitude smaller than in any European country. In Moscow, "incorruptible" Boris Nemtsov openly walked with his concubine, presented to him by the famous Ukrainian punisher Bereza.
                      6. -1
                        6 December 2022 23: 22
                        In all these countries, the "communist parties" are not. this is not socialism, but China, 400 million, managers, party members and bourgeois, yes of course a huge figure for us, live sweetly at the expense of almost gratuitous labor, a lard with a big tail of hard workers who work hard from morning to night and from night to morning, under a huge the press of this very "communist party". So what is socialism? Socialism on the planet has been so far only once, in the Soviet Union.
                    2. -1
                      5 December 2022 19: 55
                      And so you only care about the fact that he is the president and not Zyuganov? Or Navalny for whom you don’t know ... or who else you have there.
              2. +1
                5 December 2022 14: 36
                You do not write indiscriminately and do not judge everyone indiscriminately. The opposition is different. There are bad people among her, and supporters of wrong ideas, but there are also good people (as far as possible under the bourgeois regime, so as not to be completely a black sheep), but most importantly, there are people who offer a completely reasonable, positive alternative to the current political course , by which the gentlemen-rulers lead Russia.
                1. -1
                  5 December 2022 15: 05
                  Quote: Plan
                  You do not write indiscriminately and do not judge everyone indiscriminately. The opposition is different. There are bad people among her, and supporters of wrong ideas, but there are also good people (as far as possible under the bourgeois regime, so as not to be completely a black sheep), but most importantly, there are people who offer a completely reasonable, positive alternative to the current political course , by which the gentlemen-rulers lead Russia.

                  Who are these people, otherwise I don’t see such “good” people at close range ... can you name the names of at least heels?
          3. -7
            5 December 2022 04: 13
            Communists were shot in the 30s. They, somehow, without exception turned out to be enemies of the people and bourgeois spies.
        4. +1
          5 December 2022 09: 56
          Quote: dauria
          ".... and Vaska listens and eats"

          Vaska has been educating the people "for himself" for thirty years. He is raising the "new" ones with all his might, waiting with hope when those who made the USSR die out.
          That's what he brought up. Who is offended? Mice do not want to protect Vaska from kicks and dogs? Well, they are mice, why would they.

          Chubais left, but the "Chubais" remained, and continue their foul business. Why do I think so? Yes, because they let this creature quietly leave.
        5. +2
          5 December 2022 18: 37
          Quote: dauria
          Mice do not want to protect Vaska from kicks and dogs?
          Only mice and not even dogs will eat Vaska ... The prerequisites are bad both for Vaska and for all of us gathered here.
      2. 0
        4 December 2022 11: 14
        And not only Vaska! Spies around, we need Stirlitz! Yes
    2. +5
      4 December 2022 08: 36
      But not me. The author is all about the high, and not a word about the loot! Anyone, even the most ideological one, can be won over to your side, it's only a matter of price!
    3. -1
      4 December 2022 10: 33
      For most, all the nonsense disappears by the age of 40. And, to a fifty-kopeck piece comes to naught.
      1. ada
        +14
        4 December 2022 10: 49
        Quote: bandabas
        For most, all the nonsense disappears by the age of 40. And, to a fifty-kopeck piece comes to naught.
        Probably, but there is one caveat - by this moment you need to stay alive and preferably at large with this clean one ... wassat
      2. -14
        4 December 2022 12: 17
        Quote: bandabas
        For most, all the nonsense disappears by the age of 40. And, to a fifty-kopeck piece comes to naught.

        By the age of 40, the productive age ends, and after 50, old age approaches. At this time, a person is no longer able to fruitfully act and think.
        1. +9
          4 December 2022 20: 45
          Quote: gsev
          after 50 old age comes. At this time, a person is no longer able to fruitfully act and think.

          It reminds me of my thoughts - a first grader, when my uncle - an eighth grader was chasing me. Believe me, when you live, you will understand that even in your seventies, there are a lot of plans and thinking, there are enough abilities to create ... If you move, not over a glass, or in front of the TV, on the couch.wink
          1. +1
            5 December 2022 10: 38
            And indeed yes.
            Wisdom and analysis of all life appears and you understand that you spent a lot of time on stupid and meaningless things and you want to catch up on the lost and show the young how not to live and what is important in life. And you in response: - "You do not know and do not understand."
            It is not for nothing that in the past there were elders and a council of wise men who determined the movement and direction in life using the energy of the young to implement these decisions. And when the young and reckless became at the helm, everything was heading towards collapse and chaos because of the desire of the young to do everything at once and now in their own way, or they were led by enemies into the dark.
            As the life proverb says: - "Young - green." And after all, they are offended when they hear this from experienced and seasoned husbands.
            They just want to topple Russia mainly at the expense of the new generation (stupid, illiterate, selfish and depraved) who have no experience of life and wisdom, but on the other hand, they have a lot of strength and energy to realize themselves with all sorts of attitudes from enemies like "live while young", " take everything from life", "you deserve it", that is, take it and do it and do not look at those who teach you the wisdom of life and warn you against mistakes and show that you are moving towards your death to a dead end.
            In a word, spit on everything and do what you want, not any moral and spiritual rules, implement your inflamed (or even sick or reformatted) ideas by any means.
            Unfortunately, these young people do not understand and do not know that they are being used in the dark by our enemies. And since the future is being made and laid in the present, then there will be no possibility to return to the past (well, there is no time machine yet) and remake it so that the future is in the mind, conscience and justice. And when the mistake is understood and it is necessary to change the present for the failures in the past, then you have to act in emergency mode and it turns out like this is the time of the NWO type.
            Though so, but the main thing is to correct the mistakes of the past and survive in the present and gain invaluable experience and wisdom of life.
            1. -1
              5 December 2022 14: 45
              I gave you a plus, because you argue, in principle, correctly. But everything is not so simple. The main thing is not age, but the essence of the ideas that people uphold and promote in life. As for age, to old age, and even more so beyond it, comes not only experience and wisdom, but also moral fatigue, physical aging, poor health, and even a decrease in intellectual capabilities. It seems that the most productive age for managing the entire state and society is 45-70 years old, but for managing, for example, small teams, 35-55 years old.
              1. -1
                5 December 2022 15: 12
                Quote: Plan
                It seems that the most productive age for managing the entire state and society is 45-70 years

                In my previous comment, I wanted to write the age at which one should be elected president and thought about 50 years, but decided to abstain.
                With age, I agree with you.
                But by the way, regarding elections and voting, I also think it would be desirable to make age restrictions.
                Here are the thoughts that come up:
                - Having received a passport, a young and green, fragile brain and consciousness still cannot clearly determine who to vote for, because in politics the vast majority have a complete zero or confusion. And therefore, from about 25 ... 28 years old, have the right to vote.
                - But. The voting age decreases if a person has served in the Russian Armed Forces, works in state institutions, is married (married) and has a child or other merits to the country. That is, there is already some kind of life experience, responsibilities and an incentive to work. And those who are on the neck of moms and dads, let them wait for their age for the right to vote.
                Of course, this is a restriction of rights under the constitution, but it is a fact that young people largely influence the stability of the state, and this is not good, all the more so in our time.
                Something like that.
                1. 0
                  5 December 2022 18: 27
                  Quote: Irokez
                  But by the way, regarding elections and voting, I also think it would be desirable to make age restrictions.
                  Here are the thoughts that come up:
                  - Having received a passport, a young and green fragile brain

                  All over the world, the right to vote had a man capable of defending his right in battle. In Russia, a young man and a girl are placed in a great dependence on their parents and on the state and on educational institutions. It is foolish to demand from a person the obligation to fight and die with a weapon and forbid him to put a tick with a fountain pen.
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2022 19: 27
                    You must have misread my text.
                    Who serves, served or in government agencies and the like have the right.
                    And besides, what I wrote is a reflection, not a law for the country.
                    Don't take it so concretely.
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2022 02: 44
                      Quote: Irokez
                      Who serves, served or in government agencies and the like have the right.

                      In my opinion, an engineer and a worker needs more intelligence than a policeman, FSB officer or military man. If you make a worker, engineer and student a subhuman and deny him the mental abilities to put a tick in the bill, then on what basis should engineering and design solutions be demanded from him. In the USA, Musk sold his company at age 27 for $300 million. Jobs and Wozniak, at the age of 25, designed a successful personal computer and launched its mass production. Ford was a chief engineer at Edison at 30 and had already designed his own car. Many of the problems in Russia and the former Soviet Union were that young people were beaten off their hands when they tried to think and experiment on their own. The foremen of perestroika, when they destroyed the USSR, were about 70 years old for Yakovlev, 60 for Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and 54 for Yanaev. It is more correct to forbid engaging in politics in post-retirement age. Here Yavlinsky, in his 70s, is trying to destroy Russia.
          2. 0
            5 December 2022 12: 28
            Quote: skeptic
            Believe me, when you live, you will understand that in the seventh decade,

            I am 58 years old. Abilities and opportunities are not the same. Therefore, I do not program, but take my soul in the comments.
      3. +8
        4 December 2022 18: 17
        Quote: bandabas
        dope disappears by 40

        Around me, what disappeared by the age of 40 is the remnants of trust in the authorities and officials.
        The working man sees the truth simply because a fair amount of work is directed at "crooks and thieves." Installing a winter garden over the official's pool, it is difficult to notice the brands of cars in the yard, and the situation through the windows. And thanks to different sites, the prices for all this are well known.
        And if the "government" wants to make a porch to its door for a million rubles for budgetary money, this also becomes known to the installers.
    4. -7
      4 December 2022 20: 48
      ".... It turned out to be just a chic situation: the state clearly does not care about citizens, their existence, the main thing is to take more loans. And they didn’t scream under the windows. And citizens, respectively, do not care about the state.

      And then came the SVO. And everything fell into place. And more than a million rushed out of the country simply because they do not consider themselves obliged to die for the misunderstood (namely, misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state .... """.
      ----------
      And I don’t agree with the author of the article .. Skomorokhov has recently gone too far with criticism about the efforts of the state during the NWO and even decided to speculate about the work of the FSB after the operation in Voronezh ... I won’t be mistaken if I say that the FSB of the Russian Federation probably has - MUCH more very different information than the author of the article ... Or am I wrong, Skomorokhov ??? Yes, there MAY be mistakes and omissions (the one who does NOTHING and complains about his Faberge is not mistaken ...). But, during the WAR (!) to criticize the NATIVE state from the public rostrum "VO" (which the enemies of Russia read ... probably) - this is already too much ... Skomorokhov must not FORGET the golden rule: "During the war, about your native state - GOOD or NOTHING ...". And one more thing: Warriors of Russia - they are not fighting for the state and Putin, but DEFENDING THE HOMELAND, FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE OF RUSSIA, and also - protecting their families ...
      1. 0
        5 December 2022 10: 56
        Quote from Romanovski
        The soldiers of Russia - they are not fighting for the state and Putin, but DEFENDING THE MOTHERLAND, FREEDOM and INDEPENDENCE OF RUSSIA, and also - protecting their families

        Yes exactly.
        And the fact that you are being minus - this indicates how many provocateurs and TsEPSOshnikov are sitting here, well, and just fools who do not understand what they are doing.
        1. -3
          5 December 2022 14: 46
          Quote: Irokez
          Yes exactly.
          And the fact that you are being minus - this indicates how many provocateurs and TsEPSOshnikov are sitting here, well, and just fools who do not understand what they are doing.

          And I propose to copy them all and send them to Solovki.
        2. 0
          5 December 2022 21: 39
          I agree! It's just a shame that they are sitting here and not on the quiche.
        3. -1
          5 December 2022 23: 47
          """...Yes exactly.
          And the fact that you are downvoted - this indicates how many provocateurs and TsEPSOshnikov are sitting here, well, and just fools who do not understand what they are doing .... "".
          ---
          That's right ... I have not been complex for a long time because of the MINUSES to myself here on the "Military Review", since sometimes there are many minuses to the post - a sign that the post is of high quality ... TsEPSOshniks and the fifth Russian (liberal-3.14darastic .. .) column - this was not taken into account ....
    5. -1
      5 December 2022 10: 37
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Fully agree with the message of the article. The problem is very important and it should be solved already yesterday... But it is necessary to start with the main thing: stop the Kremlin authorities from lying to their own people and deceiving the people.

      The main thing is to stop turning everything towards the Russian government and blaming it. Who believes that they killed innocent airsoft players, answer the question, where else can terrorists maintain combat skills without any problems, without the risk of being suspected? Airsoft is the perfect playground.
      1. +2
        5 December 2022 11: 44
        Or vice versa. Where can schoolchildren, students and others get the basics of tactics and teamwork? Airsoft is more than suitable for this!
        1. +1
          5 December 2022 11: 50
          Quote from VasyaRules
          Or vice versa. Where can schoolchildren, students and others get the basics of tactics and teamwork? Airsoft is more than suitable for this!

          That's where the SBU employees recruit them in the DRG laughing
    6. +3
      5 December 2022 11: 46
      I tried to read the article more than once, the author mixed everything together. I didn’t understand who, in the author’s opinion, these citizens are airsoft players or how are stalkers there, or still some figures working for the special services of Ukraine.
      One thing is for sure. The FSB officers would not shoot in a row to kill if there was no real threat.
    7. -1
      5 December 2022 12: 56
      Well, everyone is so truthful, do you always tell the truth? Do you always tell the truth to your parents, your children, have you never lied? or is it something else.
  2. +33
    4 December 2022 06: 28
    But the recipe is simple. For starters, just stop lying.
    A long time ago, to another article and on another topic, he wrote: This country will be destroyed by hypocrisy.
    1. +22
      4 December 2022 07: 51
      I will add. As at one time the country was ruined by the top of the USSR.
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        1. +12
          4 December 2022 11: 11
          Quote: Alex_1973
          By the way, I didn’t understand from the article whether the dead were accomplices or terrorists? If there were, then why all these lamentations? Were they preparing a terrorist attack with victims and other "gaiety"?

          The article is very clear. The author of the article expressly distances himself from doubts in the official version. For they will kill .. or imprison (if you're lucky). And the article itself shows that the official version of Pts. doubtful. Exactly the same way .. how doubtful (or clearly false) are many and many "facts", actions and statements from our current reality. sad
          1. +9
            4 December 2022 11: 39
            Okay, so WHAT of it? What conclusions should we draw? Is the state mired in lies? So any state is based on lies, ANYONE!
            What is the article for? To the call that everything is wrong? Eiii?! What are the conclusions? What is the author gradually leading to, to the overthrow of power, but heavily veiled so as not to sit down?
            ONCE AGAIN THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THIS ARTICLE FOR?!
            1. +10
              4 December 2022 12: 12
              Quote: Alex_1973
              ONCE AGAIN THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THIS ARTICLE FOR?!

              To the fact that there is no faith in official reports. Neither from the external fronts, nor from the internal ones. Such are the conclusions ... Why would one think that "infallible angels" work in the FSB, when there are so many cases of corruption in the same police? But the same people (in terms of character / mentality) work in the police, in the FSB. You need to get sticks / stars somehow.
              1. +1
                4 December 2022 15: 45
                To the fact that there is no faith in official reports

                Do you have faith on the other side? Are they not lying?
                When there is no clear picture, I will always believe "ours". In this case, the official summary. Shot - so it was for what. I assume that they shot by mistake. But I DO NOT admit that they shot because they are cruel and satraps. There is "friendly fire" in war, but no one calls the authors of this fire enemies or traitors.
                But if the author tries to somehow justify the traitors, then he himself is an enemy and a traitor.
                1. +3
                  4 December 2022 16: 26
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  Do you have faith on the other side? Are they not lying?

                  Nobody has faith.
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  When there is no clear picture, I will always believe "ours". In this case, the official summary.

                  "Believe - believe, and listen - check." Proverb.
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  Shot - so it was for what. I assume that they shot by mistake.

                  It's true. As they say: "the fact that you are not sitting is not your merit, but our shortcoming." Of course, "there" know better who and what to punish. Just like that, they won’t touch anyone with a finger, yeah. There is a duty - the protection of the peaceful innocent population. And nothing else.
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  But if the author tries to somehow justify the traitors, then he himself is an enemy and a traitor.

                  If, yes, if only ... In our turbulent time, it’s impossible to figure out without half a liter - who is a traitor and who is not ...
                  1. 0
                    4 December 2022 17: 08
                    Of course, "there" know better who and what to punish. Just like that, they won’t touch anyone with a finger, yeah.

                    Yes exactly. You just need to understand that there are mistakes.
                    You can start from mistakes and, having no information, consider that organs always mess up. And you can start from statistics and common sense. And to assume that specialists are working, who in most cases know and understand better than bored viewers.
                2. +1
                  4 December 2022 16: 35
                  Always believe "ours" - you are either a propagandist or stupid, all such cases are sewn with white threads that stick out right in the official media reports, you don’t even have to be Sherlock Homs - they usually kill everyone (you can’t find the ends), this happens in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbany abandoned basement houses or bridges (no witnesses), and from the equipment there are some kind of Kalash or a chemical set of manufactured goods. - the usual fraud from the FSB
                  1. -2
                    4 December 2022 17: 14
                    Always believe "ours" - you are either a propagandist or stupid
                    usually kill everyone (no ends to be found)
                    (no witnesses)

                    Yes, I'm a stupid propagondon. I trust only my own eyes and reliable people. I did not see people killed by the FSB. And you are great. Everyone knows, everything is in the know. You don't even need witnesses.
                  2. 0
                    5 December 2022 21: 46
                    And what is the "usual fraud from the FSB"? Such irresponsibility! "usually they kill everyone (there is no end to be found)." A wonderful set of stamps from Novodvorskaya & Co.
                    1. 0
                      6 December 2022 11: 56
                      Do you want to refute? Bring in one of the captured terrorists preparing a terrorist attack.
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2022 17: 39
                        Bring where? To you? Do you really think that the operations of the special services should take place live and with light music? And at the end you will be personally presented with a report. Sorry, dear, but I do not intend to refute such stupidity. Because it's stupid.
                      2. 0
                        7 December 2022 00: 25
                        So you expectedly merged, but just enough to google and you will be given detentions and liquidations of terrorists - 1-2 rarely 3 kill, more usually detained (mostly Asians, for subversive activities and maybe later released - not a word about convicts)
                      3. 0
                        7 December 2022 17: 35
                        Do you even look at your previous comments? And then, as expected, nonsense gets me.
                  3. 0
                    6 December 2022 06: 19
                    I remembered one video a year ago, where "components for making explosives" were confiscated from the detained terrorists - some jars and bags with CALCIUM nitrate from a fertilizer store laughing
                    1. 0
                      7 December 2022 00: 49
                      In Murmansk or kandalaksha, the dude was dumped in a private house - he shot back with a revolver (maybe even with a revolver - he didn’t watch the video) and for some reason there are packs with 7.62 * 54r
            2. +1
              4 December 2022 22: 38
              Quote: Alex_1973
              What is the article for? To the call that everything is wrong? Eiii?!

              The author is an oppositionist, an eternal oppositionist to power!

              Quote: Alex_1973
              What are the conclusions?

              And no conclusions! His articles are focused exclusively on emotions, based on those who are always dissatisfied with everything. A sort of "buffoon" who, with his articles, has formed his audience on the forum and is pulling the strings.
              And it should be noted that he has more than enough like-minded people.

              Quote: Alex_1973
              What is the author gradually leading to, to the overthrow of power, but heavily veiled so as not to sit down?

              So he does not directly call - dripping on the brain unobtrusively, but methodically! It is enough to read all his topics.

              I am not a supporter of Putin, far from being a supporter. But when I read such "buffoons" (whatever I chose!), I understand that nothing better is on the horizon yet!
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        2. +3
          4 December 2022 11: 12
          Yes, at least oppose, if it causes an orgasm in you, in fact, is there anything to object to?
        3. +2
          4 December 2022 11: 44
          I agree with you. Roman often writes good articles. This one is really a mess. At the expense of the fact that they killed the wrong ones - maybe not those. But the security forces do not open fire just like that. So the suspects resisted. And, obviously, they didn’t poke the fighters with fists. They would just break the bones. That is, there were weapons and resistance was offered. And about the fact that the state missed a generation - well, I don’t know. Probably in any country, in any system, someone will be dissatisfied with something. At the expense of lies from the authorities - and where is this not? Where is the government delivering on campaign promises? Yes, nowhere. And, in general, in any country, democracy, all sorts of freedoms, work as long as you are moving in the right direction for the state. Otherwise, despite the laws, you will be quickly corrected. There are many examples, including those of the lights of democracy in the West. Something like this
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          2. +8
            4 December 2022 12: 24
            Quote: Lykases1
            Probably in any country, in any system, someone will be dissatisfied with something. At the expense of lies from the authorities - and where is this not? Where is the government delivering on campaign promises? Yes, nowhere.

            And now what? Is it even worth trying to change something for the better? Just sit back and listen to cheap slogans about "great Russian justice", about a "special path" and "Russia's special mission"? I'm already sick of such pathos, which does not correspond to reality. In fact, it turns out that there is no justice and close. An ordinary capitalist country with a deceitful government and stupid jingoism propaganda.
            1. +14
              4 December 2022 13: 06
              Many times in the comments I have already answered - I do not know what to do. I just do not know. It turns out a kind of fork - changes can only be achieved by changing the government, but it will not allow itself to be changed in a legal way. And illegal can plunge the country into the abyss of civil war, with the prospect of collapse. And, I think, it will load guaranteed. And what to do? I have secondary education. IM 42 years old. I don't know what to do, perhaps due to lack of education or life experience. Well, let's not sit idly by. Let's go to single pickets. Is this allowed by law? Yes. But the Russian Guard will pack us, spitting on the law. Let's organize a rally - it, in violation of the law, will not be approved. Well, offer, I have exhausted the legal methods. What do we do? Shall we go to the polls together? The results are falsified. You know what to do?
              1. +12
                4 December 2022 13: 49
                Quote: Lykases1
                Well, offer, I have exhausted the legal methods.

                Italian strike. But for this consciousness is needed, legal literacy. A bunch of brainwashed scabs won't let it run. And the people, intimidated and enslaved by loans / mortgages, are not disposed to active political actions.
                In general, there is no legal solution in sight, right. But there should be no piety and faith in liars. And support too. As well as excuses, such as - "everyone is like that, what can we do now ...".
                1. +5
                  4 December 2022 17: 57
                  The Italian strike, in my opinion, presupposes the presence of a powerful trade union. And where he? At least not powerful? And I do not justify the power. She is about the same as everywhere else. And power built on goodness and justice can only be found in a world with pink ponies and blue unicorns.
              2. -7
                4 December 2022 15: 08
                Quote: Lykases1
                Many times in the comments I have already answered - I do not know what to do. I just do not know. It turns out a kind of fork - changes can only be achieved by changing the government, but it will not allow itself to be changed in a legal way. And illegal can plunge the country into the abyss of civil war, with the prospect of collapse. And, I think, it will load guaranteed. And what to do? I have secondary education. IM 42 years old. I don't know what to do, perhaps due to lack of education or life experience. Well, let's not sit idly by. Let's go to single pickets. Is this allowed by law? Yes. But the Russian Guard will pack us, spitting on the law. Let's organize a rally - it, in violation of the law, will not be approved. Well, offer, I have exhausted the legal methods. What do we do? Shall we go to the polls together? The results are falsified. You know what to do?

                Well, if you remove Putin... do you have a proposal for someone to take his place?
                1. +2
                  4 December 2022 17: 36
                  Yes, anyone. Because anything can get better. With this character - no
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2022 18: 29
                    Vova was gorgeous after Bori ... but when he remade the constitution for himself and cleaned everything around, having tasted the power, he embarked on the path of Gaddafi ... at 24 we will have the same show as with Kartoshik
                    1. +1
                      4 December 2022 18: 56
                      Yes, I agree. But you still need to somehow survive until 24, without starting a war against everyone.
                    2. +3
                      4 December 2022 20: 51
                      Quote from Sadam2
                      Vova was gorgeous after Bori ... but when he remade the constitution for himself and cleaned everything around, having tasted the power, he embarked on the path of Gaddafi ... at 24 we will have the same show as with Kartoshik

                      And what happened after Gaddafi does not bother you? Or do you think then dump over the hill?
                    3. -1
                      4 December 2022 22: 49
                      Quote from Sadam2
                      Vova was gorgeous after Bori ... but when he remade the constitution for himself and cleaned everything around, having tasted the power, he embarked on the path of Gaddafi ... at 24 we will have the same show as with Kartoshik

                      Why do you not like potatoes? Housewife Tikhanovskaya is closer to the body, that is, to the point? You didn't confuse anything?
                  2. +3
                    4 December 2022 20: 22
                    I have instructed you a lot + for previous comments, thoughts are consonant with mine. But in the current comment you are wrong. A person who knows how (and knows how) to make decisions, who knows how to execute (organize the execution) of the decisions made and is ready to be responsible for the results of the execution of the decisions made, should have the power. There are enough examples of "all sorts" in power in the country. Gorbachev, . this one thought that it was his job to chat, while others should work. You know the result. Yeltsin, yes, he took to drink because he did not know what to do with the authorities, but he felt that they might come and ask. He surrounded himself with crooks such as Soskovets, Burbulis, Chubais, and they taxied as they wanted. Yeltsin could only pinch the stenographer or change the seating at the table. I could also remember Khrushchev, I was already old enough then and understood what was happening (not everything, of course, but a lot), but then there was collective leadership and party discipline, if it were not for this, the country would have collapsed into "kingdoms" at that time.
                    Putin is now in place, there is no alternative to him, and any move towards "anyone in power" will only lead to a worsening of the situation. But when we complete this mess with a positive result for us (which I have no doubt), then it is worth raising the question, but not about power, but about the state of affairs in the state and measures to correct this state. And there and personnel decisions to catch up.
                    He stated rather chaotically, but is firmly convinced that any attempt, in the current conditions, to begin a radical revision of the powers of government and society will lead to the collapse of the state and war, now within the state with the intervention of "progressive humanity", the capture of the leadership of the strategic nuclear forces, the dispersal of the army, the final collapse economy and population extinction.
                    1. +6
                      4 December 2022 21: 18
                      Well, why, you have stated everything quite well. And I already wrote that I do not want revolutions, etc. But the fact that there is no alternative to Putin is such a thing. What kind of country do we have that rests on one person? What if he dies? Could he die? He's not twenty years old. And then what? Will we fall into chaos? Oh no, Medvedev will come. He won't let Mother Russia ruin it. Will he die? Well, people are dead! And that's it? That is, the country has 10-20 years left? Sadly. And it's a shame. Born in the largest and most powerful country in the world and live to the point that the existence of the state was tied to one person.
                      1. +3
                        4 December 2022 21: 24
                        You didn't understand everything correctly. Read the penultimate paragraph: “Putin is now in place, there is no alternative to him, and any move towards“ anyone in power ”will only lead to a worsening of the situation. But when we complete this mess with a positive result for us (which I have no doubt), then it is worth raising the question ... ".
                        It's not in general, but in particular. And according to the simple "Horses in the crossing ...", then you know.
                      2. 0
                        4 December 2022 22: 00
                        Well, I respect your opinion. Yes, during the event, I would not like more internal problems. But it will be as it will be. I hope you are right, and, indeed, everything will end positively for us.
                  3. 0
                    4 December 2022 20: 49
                    Quote: Lykases1
                    Yes, anyone. Because anything can get better. With this character - no

                    Yeah ... the neighbors got out with this approach. What a pity that neither one's own nor someone else's example teaches our "very gifted" fellow citizens. Aren't you tired of stepping on a rake, or will you continue to do this until you ruin the whole of Russia?
                    1. +4
                      4 December 2022 21: 29
                      Are you sure that the choice of neighbors decided something? That a country could pursue an independent foreign policy? Anti-Russia was molded from it for too long, and we just looked at it. And here is the result
                      1. 0
                        5 December 2022 14: 53
                        Quote: Lykases1
                        Are you sure that the choice of neighbors decided something? That a country could pursue an independent foreign policy? Anti-Russia was molded from it for too long, and we just looked at it. And here is the result

                        Are you so sure that you are smarter and that you are not manipulating as well? Zelya Ukrainians chose themselves.
                    2. +1
                      7 December 2022 15: 05
                      I agree, the example is indicative. Choice decides a lot, if not everything. They had a choice, either we or "they". The choice is indicative for Ukraine, they have been choosing those who are richer throughout their history, the mentality is so free. Read thoughtfully their anthem, there is only about freebies, there is no word about work, peace, prosperity, only "perish the little ones", "let's panic on our side", "smile the lot" and dream about other freebies. So they chose where there are more freebies.
              3. +3
                4 December 2022 16: 35
                Quote: Lykases1
                So what to do?

                Take care of your children first. So that no one from the outside, including Roma, would peck out their brains with their lies about the world around them. It's simple, start with what's available.
                Quote: Lykases1
                Let's go to single pickets.

                Good. What will you demand in a picket or at a rally? We need a party. Only an organized group of people can, for a start, at least organize their legal protection against the possible manifestation of the arbitrariness of activists from the local authorities. Then you need to formulate what you are unhappy with. And not like in the article, but in detail - what they promised and how they implemented it. And if they cheated, then what? And only then decide how urgent the problem of a change of power is, otherwise maybe someone wants to shove their personal ambitions under the beautiful sauce of "thirst for change."
                1. +12
                  4 December 2022 17: 46
                  It does not make sense, but, being a member of Bondarenko's party, he is no longer a deputy. Received a suspended sentence Platoshkin. Grudinin's business is being ripped off. Furgal is sitting. Well, create a new party. So what? Do we have few? Yes, even a normal trade union will not be allowed to be created.
                  1. -1
                    4 December 2022 21: 27
                    Quote: Lykases1
                    Yes, even a normal trade union will not be allowed to be created.

                    And what about us, someone tried to create a normal trade union?
                  2. 0
                    5 December 2022 05: 34
                    Quote: Lykases1
                    So what? Do we have few? Yes, even a normal trade union will not be allowed to be created.

                    The question is not the multitude of what is already there. The question is that one can only dream alone...
                2. +8
                  4 December 2022 20: 11
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Take care of your children first.

                  Do you seriously think that you will be able to outplay the media, subcultures and other rubbish that abounds on TV and the computer? You are naive at best. The maximum you can do is slightly smooth out this effect.
                  Today, parents are forced to work, giving the child freedom. Under the Union, they also worked hard, but there were many free sections, circles and extensions.
                  Today the computer and the street. Turn on Muz-TV and analyze the content. Watch youth series and analyze the content.
                  And this is with the blessing of the authorities approved by you. Any shit, as long as it's not in opposition.
                  And you take care of the kids...
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2022 05: 55
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Do you seriously think that you will be able to outplay the media, subcultures and other rubbish that abounds on TV and the computer?

                    As they say, trying is not torture. I don't have to complain about mine today. The bulk of dissatisfaction among growing children appears during the realization of the difficulties of climbing the social elevator against the background of a low level of education from gaps in the development of the school curriculum and the corresponding consequences. A lot of things arise in children on the basis of the "hereditary" views of their parents. They say, don't educate children, educate yourself, and the children will take everything from you. Therefore, just as parents whine about their hopeless existence, so the majority of children will repeat after them. As parents will show a "double standard" in life, so children will learn this way of surviving in society. If you can afford to slander your own country, then it will become the norm for your children. If you don't want to deal with them, then those about whom you are talking about, as they say, in a monopoly manner will deal with them ... But do not take my words as an instruction. You are free to do as you please. We, each of us will reap what we have sown. The future will show who inherited where ...
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    You are naive at best. The maximum you can do is slightly smooth out this effect.

                    I have two grown up. I speak from the point of view of my own experience. It’s better to sweat a little during their infancy than to wipe their snot later in life and feed their families from a not very high pension. You can do your own thing and save your strength and nervous system, maybe it will "resolve" itself. wink
              4. -6
                4 December 2022 18: 23
                Quote: Lykases1
                what to do? I have secondary education. IM 42 years old

                Learn languages, grab your wife and children, and go where you find a job in your specialty and where they let you in. I am also waiting for the resumption of the issuance of work visas to the Czech Republic.
                1. +6
                  4 December 2022 19: 02
                  No thanks. I was born here, let them bury it here. Just don't label yourself a super patriot. It’s just, well, I don’t know how to explain it, it’s just that I was born here and I’m not going to leave anywhere. And that's it.
                  1. +3
                    4 December 2022 20: 12
                    Quote: Lykases1
                    It’s just, well, I don’t know how to explain it, it’s just that I was born here and I’m not going to leave anywhere. And that's it

                    About the same opinion. hi
                2. -2
                  4 December 2022 20: 28
                  From this they would start, that you want to "blame" on the finished one, that someone built it. How about building it yourself?
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              6. 0
                6 December 2022 06: 25
                Sergei Udaltsov. Russia needs a new president! Air from 02.12.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX
                https://youtu.be/T1JF8SITCwI
          3. +3
            4 December 2022 12: 48
            Roman often writes good articles. This one is really a mess.
            - is this your Aesopian language too?)))) Roman writes really good articles very rarely, the level of presentation, as a rule, is an emotional woman at a certain age.
            1. +7
              4 December 2022 13: 18
              No. I love his articles. But not all. Many write that he pays attention only to negative points and does not see positive ones. But if such is life. If memory serves, he wrote about problems in the army with communications. Despite all the "crossbows", "aqueducts", the officers bought Chinese walkie-talkies for their money. It started its own, and, lo and behold, just problems with communication. And where was he wrong? Although in the comments they wrote that he was wrong, that everything is fine with us. And it turned out, that's how it is. There are a lot of examples, it's just that sometimes you don't want to hear how everything is really not good.
      2. 0
        5 December 2022 17: 48
        Quote: vladimirvn

        vladimirvn
        Yesterday, 07: 51
        NEW

        +20
        I will add. As at one time the country was ruined by the top of the USSR.

        Shame on you to slander the members of the Sub-Bureau. To remember: V. V. Grishin, A. A. Gromyko, A. P. Kirilenko, D. A. Kunaev, A. Ya. Pelshe, G. V. Romanov, M. A. Suslov, N. A. Tikhonov, D. F. Ustinov, K. U. Chernenko, V. V. Shcherbitsky
    2. 0
      5 December 2022 11: 53
      Quote: parusnik
      But the recipe is simple. For starters, just stop lying.
      A long time ago, to another article and on another topic, he wrote: This country will be destroyed by hypocrisy.

      Not certainly in that way. This world will be destroyed by hypocrisy. Right now we are trying to get away from hypocrisy, but it has become very ingrained in our country since the 90s. A huge number of Russian citizens earn money in the country, but hate Russia
  3. +8
    4 December 2022 06: 35
    Over the abyss of lies.
    Lying is one of the deadly sins!
  4. +24
    4 December 2022 06: 39
    Roman, what guys are on the front line near Donetsk and Zaporizhia now? The same, 20-30 years old. On whom the state spat and who went to protect this state. Maybe the point is that in the past these boys were simply spat at home, in a family. I have, for example, four sons, and I'm sure that they will not go on about different tricks
    1. +4
      4 December 2022 14: 55
      Yes, rather than in the family, and the state. I know people who were ardent patriots, but after the kidnapping of the state in a difficult life situation, they changed their shoes.
      Strong desire to fight for the state, in which, for example, you personally encountered the arbitrariness of bureaucrats or security officials?
      And these guys on the front line most likely have not encountered anything like this before.
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 20: 33
        If our fathers and grandfathers were offended by the state, you most likely would not have been born, and even if you had been born, you would have plowed for the German master and "drank the Bavarian". Might be worth looking into.
        1. -1
          10 December 2022 01: 18
          so-so argument. Not born and not born. It's like sleeping without dreaming
          1. 0
            10 December 2022 12: 39
            And understand what is written is not given? USE?
  5. +24
    4 December 2022 06: 43
    Anyway, I got to the last line:
    Author: Roman Skomorokhov

    Much has been written from the heart. But I will leave a remark to this paragraph:
    But now I don’t envy them, I even sympathize. There, in the service, there are many people with a strong university education, really smart and understanding. They really are not for their warm and tasty life, they are for Russia. In their own way, yes, but they are for Russia and for Russia.

    You know Roman. Many smart and honest people worked in the KGB, but not the best were involved in the criminal coup. And the fact that they were there, despite the worn traces and the deep silence of the press, there is no doubt. It is enough to look at the set of duties and rights of the committee in relation not only to the “former obkom secretaries”, but also to the contingent of a higher rank ... And what is also suspicious is the persistence and indispensability of the people from the committee inserted into the state clip ... Moreover, they did not "disdain" posts in the financial sector, but how many key posts they took over in the economy ... There is no need to talk about the big one, which is seen from a distance (after the past twenty-two years).
    That is why the line:
    in my own wayYes, but they are for Russia and for Russia.

    True in the first word. In your own way!!! And it is necessary - in a state way !!!
    Why do we hesitate to tell them in the eye:
    LORD!!! WHILE YOU LIVE SEPARATELY FROM THE PEOPLE AND EVEN (!!!) DO NOT MEASURIZE YOUR APPETITES IN A DIFFICULT TIME FOR THE COUNTRY,
    WE LOOK TO DOUBT YOUR HONESTY, DONESTNESS AND PRINCIPLE...
    WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ... AND YOUR SECRET, MODEST AND MUDDY CASES ...
    1. -10
      4 December 2022 08: 26
      Quote: yuriy55
      LORD!!! WHILE YOU LIVE SEPARATELY FROM THE PEOPLE AND EVEN (!!!) DO NOT MEASURIZE YOUR APPETITES IN A DIFFICULT TIME FOR THE COUNTRY,
      WE LOOK TO DOUBT YOUR HONESTY, DONESTNESS AND PRINCIPLE...
      WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ... AND YOUR SECRET, MODEST AND MUDDY CASES ...

      Exactly under the same slogans they began to destroy the USSR ...
      It's sad that they reappear. No conclusions have been drawn from perestroika. Hopefully not all...
      1. +9
        4 December 2022 09: 18
        Quote: Boris55
        Exactly under the same slogans they began to destroy the USSR ...
        It's sad that they reappear. No conclusions have been drawn from perestroika. Hopefully not all...

        Boris, you are again confusing cause and effect...
        1. +5
          4 December 2022 11: 03
          This? Hardly .... Very unlikely ..... This is called a slightly different word .....
        2. -7
          4 December 2022 12: 49
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Boris, you are again confusing cause and effect...

          "The position is binding. If the position does not oblige, then it kills, first morally, and then physically".

          The reason is the desire of the Trotskyists to be masters.
          Consequence - 20 Congress of the CPSU.
          The result is the destruction of the USSR.

          There is no need to indiscriminately discredit all power - this will lead to the collapse of Russia.

          After the 90s, a lot of Trotskyists still occupy key positions in power (Matvienko, Peskov, Nabiulina, etc.), and they do a lot to bring back the 90s ...
          1. +3
            4 December 2022 21: 30
            Quote: Boris55
            The reason is the desire of the Trotskyists to be masters.
            Consequence - 20 Congress of the CPSU.
            The result is the destruction of the USSR.

            Boris, where are the Trotskyists here? By the 20th congress then? Trotskyism is generally about something else. Revisionism maybe?
            Quote: Boris55
            After the 90s, a lot of Trotskyists still occupy key positions in power (Matvienko, Peskov, Nabiulina, etc.), and they do a lot to bring back the 90s ...

            But what kind of Trotskyists are Boris? Read about the case of the Industrial Party, that's what they are, not Trotskyists, but revisionists. Trotskyists in Latin America, fighting as partisans, along with the Maoists.
            Quote: Boris55
            There is no need to indiscriminately discredit all power - this will lead to the collapse of Russia.

            There is no such expression, "indiscriminately discredit", there is an expression "indiscriminately find fault", but almost all reproaches against the authorities, in the article, they are fair. And the government discredits itself completely on its own. And Russia, it will reassemble, as under Lenin, reassembled, on new principles, better than under the tsar and more just, and achieved incomparably greater results. And it is precisely the people who are at the helm that are dragging Russia into the abyss.
      2. -4
        4 December 2022 20: 37
        Quote: Boris55
        “It was exactly under the same slogans that they began to destroy the USSR ...
        It's sad that they reappear. No conclusions have been drawn from perestroika. Hopefully not all...
        I will subscribe. It all started with the Plenum of the Central Committee, Gorbachev's speech and rampant chatter under the guise of "glasnost".
        1. +2
          4 December 2022 21: 31
          Quote: gjkrjdybr50
          It all started with the Plenum of the Central Committee, Gorbachev's speech and rampant chatter under the guise of "glasnost".

          It all started much earlier.)))
          1. +1
            7 December 2022 14: 54
            I agree, but it was at the Plenum that everything was formalized. Just at that time I was in Moscow, at the Military Council regarding the appointment to the post, and I felt with what enthusiasm (still not knowing and not understanding how it would all end), Gorbachev's chatter about perestroika, glasnost, and other crap was perceived. All questions in conversations with the leadership of the troops did not begin with duties, knowledge of the organization of hostilities, the capabilities of weapons systems, etc., but with knowledge of the Plenum materials and what I would do for restructuring in my new position.
    2. +4
      4 December 2022 09: 25
      Absolutely agree with you! But this time Roman also gave, in my opinion, absolutely correct analysis and conclusions regarding this situation. Still, it is foolish to deny the fact that the entire state apparatus is built on lies and theft. What is needed now is a global, rapid and simultaneous restructuring of society (in the broadest sense) and statehood. And one won't work without the other...
      1. +6
        4 December 2022 10: 14
        Landings are needed, the punishment of thieves, criminals, the guilty.
        And we have permissiveness for a certain group of people.
        Friends, relatives, etc.
        Created a new caste of untouchables... nobles.
        And people see it.
        So how can there be trust?
        Again, the same example - who is punished for the fact that the army was not ready, for lies and fraud, who is punished for stealing one and a half million sets of uniforms?
        Complete silence.
        Roman raised the right questions.
      2. -1
        4 December 2022 13: 23
        Allow me, Mr. "m.cempbell", my "five cents" in this discussion ... Russia has been living in the paradigm of capitalism for almost 31 years, with all the ensuing consequences ... All capitalist states were created, exist and will exist in a "shell" of lies and total corruption, state egoism and the overwhelming "indifference" of its representatives from the very "bottom" to the very heights of power, politics and economics ... And Roman Skomorokhov, only voiced all these "charms" of the capitalist world order in a de-ideologized (according to the Constitution of Russia), by the forces of the "state machine" (for 30 years) of Russian society ... By the way, society very actively "played along" with the state (all these 30 years) in conducting an operation to "emasculate" brains, quickly turning into into a society of "educated consumers" (according to Gref), with very rare exceptions. And, now the "moment of truth" has come, more precisely on February 24, 2022, when the patriotic and correct speeches and calls of the Supreme Commander are believed with great stretch and skepticism, not to mention the words of his "nukers", who, it seems, continue to "broadcast to the people "in the paradigm of" pre-war "settings, rumpled that people "grab" everything .... And now, men (soldiers) are fighting in the war, who, simply, were not lucky to "warmly" settle down in civilian life, but the stomach, family , finally, they forced them to make a decision to link their fate with the army on a professional basis ... About Komsomol members - volunteers - they "appeared" rather in spite of than thanks to our society and the capitalist structure of Russia. These glorious people, the heroes of our time and Russia, are a kind of genetic deviation, a mutation in the human "material" of Russia, which, however, happens all the time in any society in any social system ...... I think that with the current world order and state structure Russia, the state of the ideological education of Russians, their level of current education, culture, the state of the administrative state apparatus, we are waiting for, ahead, a lot of interesting and unexpected ..... Although ...
        1. 0
          4 December 2022 22: 10
          Quote from nordscout
          I think that with the current world order and the state structure of Russia, the state of the ideological education of Russians, their level of current education, culture, state of the administrative state apparatus, we are waiting for, ahead, a lot of interesting and unexpected ..... Although ...

          Without "Although", there will be no "Although". Unfortunately, or maybe for the better, who knows now? The people of Kiev thought the same thing, that a crack appeared in the Donbass and it will remain there, even if nothing is done, but now a crack has appeared in Belgorod, and we will not say where it will appear tomorrow (laws do not allow). It is necessary to prepare for this "unexpected and interesting". Otherwise, everything is according to Darwin ...
  6. +26
    4 December 2022 06: 54
    Pain through the entire article ... Especially since I have been from the period when I didn’t think about what the Motherland is! Well, now, the values ​​have not just changed, they have disappeared!!! To these incomprehensible terrorists, a very large group of shooters in schools, we began to hate ourselves! And unfortunately there is a reason! The worst thing is that we are losing faith in our commanders and "great" helmsmen, it is very evident from the example of the NWO. It is for sale impudently, mediocrity is broadcasting to us about great goals, having taken their children over the hill! High-ranking crooks trade and rejoice...
  7. +15
    4 December 2022 06: 55
    I completely agree. I have a son and I could not explain WHY and FOR WHOM to go there ....
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 11: 04
      I'm terribly sorry. This is not a collision, in fact, but ..... "Couldn't" or "didn't want to"? For there are things that are extremely difficult for a child to explain, despite the fact that you yourself understand them perfectly .....
    2. -3
      4 December 2022 11: 22
      So that these Bandera shortcomings do not come to our land after some time. For you and for yourself. And show famous videos with prisoners. If you don't understand, I sympathize with you...
      1. +3
        4 December 2022 12: 52
        Can you tell me how much land you own?
      2. +1
        4 December 2022 18: 59
        You don't have enough land in Voronezh.? Then I ask you to come to the shore of the Sea of ​​Japan. Gorgeous bathing season in the summer, a hectare will be mortgaged. True, it takes 9 hours to fly from Moscow to Vladik and another 5 hours by bus to Nakhodka ... is there not enough land for you?
        1. 0
          5 December 2022 07: 00
          Don't tryndy. Until vladik 7 hours. It's almost a 9 hour flight to me. And how much land is all of ours. And if some were not handed out there would be more. And with such logic, like so much, it’s not a pity, to the liberals.
    3. -1
      4 December 2022 15: 01
      I have a son and I could not explain WHY and FOR WHOM to go there ....

      Nobody explained to me. And millions of others. Because the concept of the Motherland is not explained. Especially with the help of logical arguments. Because formal logic is always for the fact that life is the greatest value that a person has.
      Because someone has a Motherland, and someone has only personal interests and plans. And the state climbs with its stupid requirements. And interfere with plans.
      1. 0
        17 December 2022 22: 59
        Do you have children yourself? Are you sitting here bragging? I'm just afraid for him. I'm just afraid .... And there is still a mess, we just need truth and justice, all that ....
    4. 0
      17 December 2022 22: 55
      I myself am a war veteran, but how can I explain to my son that we come from the provinces in droves, but in the country they still have fun and live in the center. I can't explain to him. I can’t .... Television destroys everything. they still have the same...
  8. +3
    4 December 2022 07: 04
    I also agree with the main theses about Roman.
    Only a doubt arose that the state, those in power, would not lie.
    Everyone lies in all countries of the planet, but worse than ours. I do not know what to do.
  9. -5
    4 December 2022 07: 05
    Each state has its own truth. And as you know, the state forms a community of people who profess and promote this social truth as a way of survival and existence. When each person from this community, called the state, has "his own truth" that differs from the generally accepted, state one, such a state disintegrates if the percentage of this very "own truth" exceeds the maximum allowable threshold. "Anarchy is the mother of order", this has already happened in the history of Russia. They are children, good guys, the author does not understand who betrays whom more ...
    Clearly a provocative article. I will answer the author. If it's so hard for you to live in Russia, go to your Sodomite West, or the Sodomite States, don't muddy the waters here. I am very sorry that at present there is no such structure in the security system as SMERSH.
    To the guys, to the security forces from the FSB, and indeed to our entire Security Service, deep bow and gratitude ..., for sleepless nights, for every second risk to life, health for us, for our country. Wet these animals without regret and looking back, because the one who betrayed his country is a complete scum, no matter how beautiful wrappers he hides behind. Many thanks to our FSB of Russia, and low bow!
    1. -2
      4 December 2022 07: 38
      There are questions about the article. In the foreign press, with reference to intelligence data, the figure of those who fled from Russia after February 24 was confirmed - 200000 people. Moreover, this is presented as evidence of the discontent of the citizens of Russia. The author writes that after the start of the NWO, more "exploded" from Russia! 1 million people. Agree big difference. Who's lying!? And that earlier "our" person cannot become an agent? During the war, General Vlasov became a traitor! But no one beats his chest that the state is careless ... And most importantly. All the same old song about the main thing. The state must, the state is obliged, ... But to have a head on your own shoulders? As for lies... It is known that the first victim of any war is the truth. Read the reports of the Information Bureau during the war. There is written all sorts of things, different, which is amazing how the Germans managed to reach Stalingrad. And it is characteristic that the Germans were hit in the teeth in mid-November 1942, but back in December you can read in the reports about the incredible number of downed aircraft, destroyed tanks, but not a word about the encirclement of the 6th Army. And nothing - they won, despite the falsity of reports
      1. +7
        4 December 2022 12: 54
        You will be surprised, but yes .. the state must and must.
        1. -5
          4 December 2022 13: 18
          To whom should and owe? People are different. There are purposeful people. If, moreover, they are industrious and ingenious, then they will achieve their goal and achieve it, provided that the state does not interfere with them. There are many of them, but they are not heard, because they are busy with business, they complain to the state only on a specific issue, for example, the road to the farm is bad, the lighting in the workplace is poor. But whiners and alarmists are not interested in such complaints. Whiners usually complain globally, the state "should and must ..." There are also a lot of whiners, but you dig deeper and you will find a lazy person, or an adherent of bad habits. In Soviet times, such people sat in smoking rooms and envied successful people. There are also sick and disabled people. We're talking about medicine here. But this is a separate conversation. Faced - I know that both free and paid medicine we have is different. For example, they saved me from a heart attack, quickly, clearly. But if a nurse is too lazy to raise her buttocks to give an injection, then it is not the state that is to blame, but the nurse.
          1. -1
            4 December 2022 15: 01
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            To whom should and owe? People are different. There are purposeful people. If, moreover, they are industrious and ingenious, then they will achieve their goal and achieve it, provided that the state does not interfere with them. There are many of them, but they are not heard, because they are busy with business, they complain to the state only on a specific issue, for example, the road to the farm is bad, the lighting in the workplace is poor. But whiners and alarmists are not interested in such complaints. Whiners usually complain globally, the state "should and must ..." There are also a lot of whiners, but you dig deeper and you will find a lazy person, or an adherent of bad habits. In Soviet times, such people sat in smoking rooms and envied successful people. There are also sick and disabled people. We're talking about medicine here. But this is a separate conversation. Faced - I know that both free and paid medicine we have is different. For example, they saved me from a heart attack, quickly, clearly. But if a nurse is too lazy to raise her buttocks to give an injection, then it is not the state that is to blame, but the nurse.

            I agree with almost everything. Firstly, I don’t see whiners and “all-out thugs”, although I’m disabled. And secondly, airsoft pleasure is not cheap at all, which means that these "airsoft players" are not idle parasites at all. Yes, and most of those who screwed up from mobilization are also not poor. Just the middle class, I think the author is also included in it. Or close to the middle class, among these, I often came across whiners who, like, live poorly with just two cars and other things like that ...
          2. +1
            5 December 2022 10: 47
            You will be surprised, but most people do not fit the concept of purposeful. They are good and diligent workers, but they are not interested in "moving" somewhere. First of all, because of the state. You already know the main agenda ..
            If we take particulars, for example, also a nurse who did not give an injection. Is she so lazy and indifferent at birth at the genetic level? Or does being determine consciousness? Yes, you look at which of us are purposefully doing it. Shaft of lies, aggression and cynicism ..
            Specifically, I work at an enterprise, I produce a product that people use and I do my job well, because I was brought up that way. And I don't want to "go into business". And even if I wanted a simple working person for me, this is not realistic financially. Because two in two, I have to dangle on the dowry, since there is enough money for me and two small ones exactly so much that sometimes I have to borrow a couple of days before the RFP. Explain to me what is my fault? One more question, the government is part of the state, at least read the "strategy 2020" it did not work out because our people are not purposeful or ...
        2. -6
          4 December 2022 15: 03
          Quote: SARANCHA1976
          You will be surprised, but yes .. the state must and must.

          And why are you all so fond of talking about your rights and obligations of the state ... but you don’t want to talk about your obligations?
          1. 0
            4 December 2022 17: 53
            And why are you all so fond of talking about your rights and obligations of the state ... but you don’t want to talk about your obligations?

            About his duties - it just so happened - the state likes to talk
            1. -3
              4 December 2022 20: 56
              Quote from solar
              About his duties - it just so happened - the state likes to talk

              Well, yes ... if the citizen himself does not want to not only talk about his duties, but even remember, then the state has to do this. And then after all, you can forget that not only you owe it, but you yourself owe it. And no one likes to have to.
        3. 0
          7 December 2022 17: 50
          You may also be surprised, but the obligations must be mutual.
    2. +10
      4 December 2022 08: 59
      Quote: Fortress
      And as you know, the state forms a community of people that professes and promotes this social truth as a way of survival and existence.

      Who knows? You give out your postulates as an indisputable truth. You can't do that, bro.
      “The state is a machine for maintaining the rule of one class over another” (Lenin), “a machine in the hands of the ruling class for suppressing the resistance of its class opponents” (Stalin).
    3. +5
      4 December 2022 10: 37
      Eugene, re-read the article and do not abuse words from propaganda clichés. The author is a citizen of Russia. Look for provocateurs there who scream the loudest about sodomites.
      1. -4
        4 December 2022 14: 53
        Quote: Galina Mylnikova
        Eugene, re-read the article and do not abuse words from propaganda clichés. The author is a citizen of Russia. Look for provocateurs there who scream the loudest about sodomites.

        A citizen of Russia is not a panacea for betrayal ... Vlasov was a citizen of the USSR from the elite of society and favored by the authorities, this did not prevent him from doing what he did. Became synonymous with betrayal. The author, of course, is not a traitor, but if he began to look for excuses for the traitors of the Motherland ... the bell is not a good one.
  10. 0
    4 December 2022 07: 22
    They made their choice, betrayed and received a bullet, other 20, 30 year olds made their choice and left as volunteers or mobilization and are now fighting for their "bad" country in your country. Others fled and this is their choice, I hope they will take a sip of shitocracy at the most reluctant, in any case, most of them. Enough already to blame everything on the state and that it owes everything to everyone. They grew up, went to kindergarten, the same worthless medicine monitored their children's health, received the education they were capable of. What did they do to make this state better? Maybe they stopped throwing garbage in the entrance or violate traffic rules or park the car on the lawn? Work during working hours and not sit on the phone? Even so, from the smallest detail, starting with yourself. Name at least one country where citizens are happy with everything, election results, salaries, medicine? There are no such. And do not blame everything on the state. Traitors must be destroyed. These, all so wonderful, would lean you against the wall without remorse and memories of joint games. There is no "understanding of events" in your article
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 12: 06
      "Destroy traitors" is very aggressive towards our "tortured people". Let at least fight the traitors .... That's what the article is about ..
      1. -1
        4 December 2022 14: 50
        And what about traitors on the head like stupid kids stroking?
        1. 0
          5 December 2022 21: 25
          Almost simultaneously, the FSB was "working" in Volgograd. Neither "meat" nor "blood" - and the result is versatile more significant ...
          1. 0
            6 December 2022 06: 13
            Quote: Don Analyst
            Almost simultaneously, the FSB was "working" in Volgograd. Neither "meat" nor "blood" - and the result is versatile more significant ...

            It all depends on who they take.
    2. 0
      4 December 2022 14: 48
      Quote from Voronezh
      What did they do to make this state better? Maybe they stopped throwing garbage in the entrance or violate traffic rules or park the car on the lawn? Work during working hours and not sit on the phone? Even so, from the smallest detail, starting with yourself

      What are you...how can the state demand something, not-not the duties of a citizen, they haven’t heard about it, it’s not about them. Moreover, little people are far from being rogues who, out of hunger, turned into traitors. Airsoft fun is not cheap.
  11. +11
    4 December 2022 07: 46
    Without knowing the details of this case, it is difficult to comment on anything here. what
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  12. 0
    4 December 2022 08: 00
    It's kind of one-sided. The problems described in the article are relevant, even very. It's just that it's all provocative. If you carefully read it, then, as it were, slips pain for Russia and then hatred for it. It seems that the flag is not the same, but that they started shooting, it seems that it should be so. Everyone started shooting, no more evidence is needed, and for ... what flag they have. It's a lie based on the truth, or the truth mixed with a lie.
    1. -4
      4 December 2022 11: 30
      That's what a provocative article. Such a subtle thought, but quite distinct. Good, they say, the guys from the bottom have died .... If they got into development, then there were good reasons for that. Well, even more so if they opened fire to kill.
      1. -2
        4 December 2022 15: 23
        Such a subtle thought, but quite distinct.

        She is "thin" only because she wants to disguise herself.
      2. +4
        4 December 2022 16: 43
        We got into development, what kind of development is there - they sent a provocateur "let's go play / shoot" - they went out in equipment to their place and dumped them, well, they laid out the terrorist's set - that's it, Ukro DRG was neutralized
        1. 0
          4 December 2022 20: 52
          How primitive you think. Do you think these three operatives decided to earn bonuses? And what would you say if the bus in which your wife and children were going to the movies blew up?
        2. 0
          5 December 2022 07: 06
          Well, yes, the operas now do not care at all out of boredom and decided to fill up the youngsters. I just want to answer your thoughts with the words of Lavrov
          1. 0
            5 December 2022 16: 47
            Well, didn't they fail? Why weren't they taken alive?
            1. 0
              6 December 2022 08: 02
              Of course, I don’t know the details, like everyone else, but it means they resisted and the result is known
    2. +2
      4 December 2022 22: 14
      Trouble
      And this buffoon is always like this - he is, as it were, for and, as it were, against. Slippery guy...
      1. 0
        6 December 2022 12: 00
        Just like a traveler - so correct in words, but in the end, the American partners hummed
  13. +4
    4 December 2022 08: 07
    The author, your country is fighting, these two were destroyed, I think they were offered to surrender, but did not surrender. Why these moans that they were smart and good? They chose the contra side, that's all. Yes, even every citizen of the country has not only rights, but also responsibilities, everyone writes about them one-sidedly, but they exist and, if you think about it, they should prevail over rights.
    1. +5
      4 December 2022 11: 15
      Quote: tatarin1972
      Author, your country is fighting, these two were destroyed, I think they were offered to surrender, but did not surrender.

      No need to think for the author. What is written is written. Has the right to doubt.
      Two years ago, there was information about the murder of an ISIS terrorist who resisted in the Murmansk region. Here is the video of the report:

      An adjustable wrench, some kind of junk, wiring, a corpse in a shed (resisting with something) ...
      With the same success, one could imagine another version of the disassembly ... And most importantly, I can’t understand that the viewer should have been pointed out that this person belonged to ISIS terrorists and offered resistance: a wrench, an FSB inscription on an employee’s jacket, or the position of the body in the barn ?
      Let's see for comparison:
  14. +6
    4 December 2022 08: 11
    In general, within the framework of this article, I am absolutely not going to discuss or criticize the actions of the FSB.


    All right, Roman! Criticism can now cost itself dearly!
  15. -16
    4 December 2022 08: 13
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Who was hit by the bullets of the FSB officers

    They hit whoever they need, and it’s not good to discredit our security forces - every day, for the sake of our well-being, they risk their lives ...

    Have you forgotten how houses, buses, subways exploded? Do you want repetition? Not? If not, then there is no need to put sticks in the wheels, those who prevent it.

    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    The dead know one thing - it's better to be alive.

    A bold statement, but the problem is that no one has returned from there and cannot tell about how it is in paradise.
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 17: 12
      "How do buses and subways explode" - that's it, not a single normal terrorist attack or sabotage - is that not suspicious? In 1905, how many governor-generals and all sorts of policemen were dishonored, and now what, the hands are short.
      Or a house on Sakhalin recently exploded - what is this "gas explosion"? But the house was not supplied with gas and there was no gas cylinder warehouse, a terrorist attack? On a fig in some kind of fly, and even in the darkness of a terrorist attack? What would raise a wave of popular indignation against the government?
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 18: 33
        I am also very interested in why "Muslim fanatics" have not blown up a single church, not a single city hall for 30 years. Why were there no attacks on those targets, in the destruction of which millions of people would quietly say "that's what they need." It's all kind of strange.
  16. +13
    4 December 2022 08: 20
    Yeah. Motivation is a big problem right now. And it all started with a lack of political responsibility. Who deceives, alas, they do not believe him.
    1. -16
      4 December 2022 08: 30
      Quote: Foundling
      Motivation is a big problem right now.

      In the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: more than 15 thousand people signed up as volunteers within the framework of the SVO.
      And how many unmotivated fled abroad?
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 10: 20
        Approximately one thousand two hundred. At the beginning of the operation, the meeting was shown on TV. Campaign only Naryshkin understood how things really are. By the way, government services offer to write off loans if they tortured you. How should you speak?
      2. -2
        6 December 2022 05: 39
        Quote: Boris55
        In the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: more than 15 thousand people signed up as volunteers within the framework of the SVO.

        Indeed, a tongue without bones ...

        There, in the entire building, there will not be 15, along with cleaners, plumbers and security ...
        stop fool Maybe stop lying frantically and without restraint?
  17. +3
    4 December 2022 08: 42
    Everything is written correctly. I support.
    But, if something changes, it will not be soon.
  18. +4
    4 December 2022 08: 47
    IMHO, the last thing worth doing is sticking labels and driving out of the country. "Lost", "superfluous" people are potential material for "psychologists" from intelligence, it has been and will be so. Only under different regimes, their number is different, under socialism it was a little less, under capitalism - a little more. If only to imprison and persecute, you can remain without people. You have to work with people.
  19. +4
    4 December 2022 09: 01
    There is a lot of pathos in the article, in my opinion. And what if the state did not lie? In the 70-80s, lies and hypocrisy were generally blatant and everyone saw it. And that in other years the state needed us without milking the army? Not for work? Not for taxes?
    You can be whatever smart, beautiful or vice versa, but you betrayed, you are the enemy. And if we start to justify or try to justify the enemy, then we will go very far and go the wrong way.
    Well, and a resume, at work he took everything, threw it away and rushed to Kazakhstan, although he was not subject to mobilization, spent everything there, returned in debt as if in silks and became a complete outcast and despised by everyone and they don’t shake hands with him.
    1. +9
      4 December 2022 12: 47
      Well, I lived under the CPSU and I remember that the communists didn’t lie as much as they lie now. There was no such thirst for profit at any cost, there was no such disdain for one's people and especially for one's country.
      It is impossible to build a normal state on lies. Here the author is right.
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 13: 12
        And I lived, yes, there was no such thirst for profit, at the top and so there was everything that ordinary citizens never dreamed of.
      2. 0
        4 December 2022 14: 40
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Well, I lived under the CPSU and I remember that the communists didn’t lie as much as they lie now. There was no such thirst for profit at any cost, there was no such disdain for one's people and especially for one's country.
        It is impossible to build a normal state on lies. Here the author is right.

        Yeah ... only in our country still Under the USSR, the head of a district hospital for fraud was demoted to the head of a district sanatorium, and the head of the district committee for theft was only the director of a collective farm ... otherwise everything was a bundle and praulno. After all, the "Deli Case", "cotton business", about fattening butchers and warehouse managers are fairy tales laughing
        1. +3
          4 December 2022 15: 13
          Perhaps the director of the state farm? Collective farms had chairmen of the board of the collective farm, who were usually referred to for brevity as chairmen of collective farms.
          1. -1
            4 December 2022 15: 27
            No, if they themselves elected him at the meeting, then he would be the chairman ... and so he was appointed. Formally, he was the chairman, but in fact he was the director.
            1. +3
              4 December 2022 15: 31
              The chairman was always elected at the meeting. Another thing is that the meetings were often formal. Whom the district committee recommended, that one was chosen.
              1. -2
                4 December 2022 20: 00
                Not even often... almost always.
        2. -5
          4 December 2022 15: 36
          "cotton business"
          That's about the so-called. "cotton business" I would like to learn more. As soon as the labeled Gorbi was thrown off and EBN came to power, the investigators in this case Gdlyan and Ivanov for some reason abruptly shut up. Where is the thing? Turns out it was fake.
          1. +1
            4 December 2022 17: 04
            And for you, "cotton business" without these two names does not exist? There were no subscriptions? Everything was, suddenly, "on garlic"?
            1. -1
              4 December 2022 18: 59
              And for you, "cotton business" without these two names does not exist? There were no subscriptions?
              There were also registrations in the nearest general store. However, it was these two fruits that cried out to the whole planet. And silence. This is strange.
              1. -1
                4 December 2022 19: 37
                I don’t recall cases when, sorry, the “procedural person” ... yelled. It quickly becomes ... a private entity after that. Then, yes, then there were a lot of screams. But not only these and about cotton, right?
                As for exactly ... cotton pranks, there is a lot of information on the network. Moreover, CSH, and long before .... the untimely death of Sharaf Rashidovich. And not only there...
                As for that particular mess, there are also quite decently open sources with some .... details .... However, you can also consider Comrade Mikhail Porfiryevich an honest person .....
          2. -2
            4 December 2022 20: 03
            Is it possible that one of your friends/relatives was involved? And something is suspicious about your feelings about them. Although, you are probably just their like-minded person, as they say, "a fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."
        3. -1
          4 December 2022 22: 07
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Well, I lived under the CPSU and I remember that the communists didn’t lie as much as they lie now. There was no such thirst for profit at any cost, there was no such disdain for one's people and especially for one's country.
          It is impossible to build a normal state on lies. Here the author is right.

          Yeah ... only in our country still Under the USSR, the head of a district hospital for fraud was demoted to the head of a district sanatorium, and the head of the district committee for theft was only the director of a collective farm ... otherwise everything was a bundle and praulno. After all, the "Deli Case", "cotton business", about fattening butchers and warehouse managers are fairy tales laughing

          Well, at least they moved it down vertically, and not, as it is now, horizontally ...
      3. 0
        4 December 2022 15: 28
        Well, I lived under the CPSU and I remember that the communists didn’t lie as much as they lie now. There was no such thirst for profit at any cost

        You are mixing two different things. Lies and greed.
        There was no such greed. And lies are the sea. Examples - the newspaper "Pravda" and all other "pravda". Congresses, Komsomol, party meetings, etc. etc. And there is nothing to say about TV at all - they lied there 50% of the time. Every day.
  20. 0
    4 December 2022 09: 02
    Powerful article. Not in the eyebrow but in the eye. After all, there are prophets in their own country.
    1. -4
      4 December 2022 11: 33
      Well, yes, there are plenty of such prophets on the couch screaming that they should be full ...
    2. -3
      4 December 2022 20: 05
      Are not too many "prophets" among your brethren divorced? No matter how they fought for the place of the main soothsayer laughing
      1. PC
        +1
        5 December 2022 12: 42
        One prophet has been resting on the bunk for a couple of years. And these will not be the case.
  21. +5
    4 December 2022 09: 16
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    Fully agree with the message of the article. The problem is very important and it should be solved already yesterday... But it is necessary to start with the main thing: stop the Kremlin authorities from lying to their own people and deceiving the people.

    The problem is in the Constitution imposed on us by the enemy, where ideology is completely absent. Of course, it’s easier to hump on an iPhone and kowtow to the West than to strive to become an engineer or an astronaut, rushing into the future (capitalism, by the way, lives only for the current day - whoever doesn’t believe, let him remember about the stock exchanges).

    In general, if you recall the pre-war experience of the USSR, then for teenagers it is really worth organizing airsoft and aeromodelling (and UAV control) mugs. OsoAviaChem in the USSR just issued the country massively half-pilots, half-paratroopers, it was already much easier to train them to the standard. And so they won (even the notorious “takeoff and landing” worked because many already had initial skills). Not to mention the fact that teenagers are interested in this, and this really reduced (and will reduce in Russia) involvement in crime or drunkenness/drug addiction.
    It's up to the state. Although why am I sure that none of the bureaucrats will scratch it? How was Gref talking there? "Our mission is to grow qualified consumer".
    1. +1
      4 December 2022 18: 40
      You are mistaken!
      Officials have already "scratched" by appointing Galustyan responsible for "military-patriotic games." As a result, minors began to be driven out of airsoft, "no matter what happened", although it was 16-year-olds with burning eyes, in cheap uniforms and with the simplest spring, that were the bulk, some of them, having got a job and saved up, I bought better equipment and stayed in the strike, and someone went into the army with disguise skills hammered into the ass by the drive line. Very intelligible, I will say.
      They limited the speed of the ball, which made "sniping" meaningless, this is Novrich shooting a plastic ball of 0.46 grams at a speed of 220ms at 100m, and closer than 30m he takes out a gun, and such "sniping" really teaches a lot. And 170ms with a 0,2 ball is not serious in terms of range and does not make sense.
    2. +1
      4 December 2022 22: 08
      Kuroneko
      if you recall the pre-war experience of the USSR, then for teenagers it is really worth organizing airsoft and aircraft modeling (and UAV control) clubs
      You didn't go to an aeromodelling class. And I walked. Quadcopters (and only drones of this type are used at the front), then there were no even dreams. They launched cord and rubber motor ones. Radio control equipment was in short supply, therefore, there were a maximum of 2 radio-controlled aircraft (!) per circle, and not a helicopter. With hands - yes, they taught me how to work, and they instilled a love for aviation.
      But it is unlikely that that experience would be useful now at the front.
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  23. AUL
    +2
    4 December 2022 10: 04
    In order to go to die for something, you have to believe in it.
    And we have these, 20-30, there is absolutely no faith.

    What to do with a whole generation that does not believe in their state one iota, because they do not see any grounds for faith? Because there are lies and theft all around the country, moreover, absolutely without hesitation? Revisions and correspondence of laws, because it is necessary today? And everyone sees it.
    1. -3
      4 December 2022 14: 34
      Quote from AUL
      In order to go to die for something, you have to believe in it.
      And we have these, 20-30, there is absolutely no faith.

      What to do with a whole generation that does not believe in their state one iota, because they do not see any grounds for faith? Because there are lies and theft all around the country, moreover, absolutely without hesitation? Revisions and correspondence of laws, because it is necessary today? And everyone sees it.

      My nieces, aged 25 and 27, are much more patriotic than many 50 year olds.
  24. -4
    4 December 2022 10: 11
    Oh, and by the way, how are things going with the suspicion of the presence of biochemical laboratories, dirty bombs in the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
    1. +4
      4 December 2022 11: 34
      Quote: 1122
      cases with suspected presence of biochemical laboratories


      what suspicions?. Victoria Nuland in the US Senate openly recognized the existence of such laboratories in Ukraine in which research was conducted on the order of the United States.
  25. -1
    4 December 2022 10: 19
    On the image is the flag of the eternally shitting Britah

    @
    WE DO NOT NOTICE


    Kind of a dumb flag...

    @
    RAYAYAYA, THIS FROM A TOY!!!! THEY ARE THE CHILDREN!


    Reminiscent of stories about the "ancient solar symbol" and so on, well, when they translate the topic, they chatter and in general.
  26. +7
    4 December 2022 10: 29
    I didn’t see the weapon in the photo. On those in the article. There are several tools, two radios and a knife. The airsoft machine is outwardly identical to the real one. Personnel record book .... Do you seriously think that saboteurs will fill out paperwork? Sorry, but these are numbers from the police arsenal,
  27. -7
    4 December 2022 10: 34
    Heavy article. In many respects the author is right.
    The amount of lies and hypocrisy is overwhelming.
    It is clear that lies are an integral feature of any state.
    Question for what.
    For the sake of personal well-being, in order to avoid punishment, to hide a crime?
    With regards to these guys, this is the generation of the nineties and that says it all.
    It's just not better now.
    But anyway, well, you don’t like the state, you don’t like officials, and therefore you betrayed and were ready to kill? Whom? Officials?
    No, you will kill neighbors, friends, ordinary people who are not guilty of anything before you.
    And to kill on the orders of the enemy.
    I still don't understand it.
    You hate the false state, and you are going to kill ordinary people.
    There is a problem and it needs to be solved, and personally I don’t see any progress in this direction yet.
    But still, hatred of the state cannot be an excuse for the murder of ordinary people.
    So these guys got a bullet, deservedly so. Although of course they are sorry, they could live, communicate with friends, raise children.
    1. -1
      4 December 2022 14: 32
      Quote: Ulan.1812
      With regards to these guys, this is the generation of the nineties and that says it all.

      And who is fighting in Ukraine, are they not from the generation of the 90s?
  28. 0
    4 December 2022 10: 53
    simply because they do not consider themselves obligated to die for misunderstood (precisely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

    They rushed because they consider the state NOT theirs?
    And where is the "understood / understandable" state for them?
    Or are they "citizens of the world", where is the homeland warmer?
    1. -4
      4 December 2022 11: 56
      Quote: smphantom
      simply because they do not consider themselves obligated to die for misunderstood (precisely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

      They rushed because they consider the state NOT theirs?
      And where is the "understood / understandable" state for them?
      Or are they "citizens of the world", where is the homeland warmer?

      It looks like the minuses are put by the same ... ready to betray, because "the state is bad."
      Vlasov also came up with the same excuse.
      1. -3
        4 December 2022 14: 28
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Quote: smphantom
        simply because they do not consider themselves obligated to die for misunderstood (precisely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

        They rushed because they consider the state NOT theirs?
        And where is the "understood / understandable" state for them?
        Or are they "citizens of the world", where is the homeland warmer?

        It looks like the minuses are put by the same ... ready to betray, because "the state is bad."
        Vlasov also came up with the same excuse.

        Thanks to the minusers for confirming my conclusion Vlasovskaya, mra s.
      2. 0
        4 December 2022 14: 29
        Quote: Ulan.1812
        Quote: smphantom
        simply because they do not consider themselves obligated to die for misunderstood (precisely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

        They rushed because they consider the state NOT theirs?
        And where is the "understood / understandable" state for them?
        Or are they "citizens of the world", where is the homeland warmer?

        It looks like the minuses are put by the same ... ready to betray, because "the state is bad."
        Vlasov also came up with the same excuse.

        There is also an opinion...
      3. -4
        4 December 2022 17: 18
        Can traitors be betrayed? Everything that is done in our state, only with a minus sign
        1. 0
          4 December 2022 17: 29
          Quote: eskulap
          Can traitors be betrayed? Everything that is done in our state, only with a minus sign

          In your Ukrainian? I have no doubt
          Now it’s clear who is downvoting - the cissists are overexcited.
          1. +1
            7 December 2022 18: 03
            "Now it's clear who is downvoting - the cissists are overexcited." He won't admit it. Such a job!
    2. -2
      4 December 2022 14: 29
      Quote: smphantom
      simply because they do not consider themselves obligated to die for misunderstood (precisely misunderstood, not incomprehensible) ideas of the state.

      They rushed because they consider the state NOT theirs?
      And where is the "understood / understandable" state for them?
      Or are they "citizens of the world", where is the homeland warmer?

      Let them fall, the air will be cleaner.
    3. 0
      4 December 2022 18: 42
      Quote: smphantom
      consider the state NOT theirs?

      My homeland does not exist. Since he was born in the USSR, and voted in a referendum for its preservation. By the way, they ruined the country despite the results of the referendum.
  29. +3
    4 December 2022 11: 02
    The problem of ideology. Or rather, its absence. Instead of ideology, there is the idea of ​​individual enrichment for access to VIP well-being. But regarding lies and hypocrisy .... I do not quite agree. We need to look deeper. Our country is being killed by nepotism and corruption, it is they who start the chain with a finish in the form of lies and hypocrisy.
  30. -3
    4 December 2022 11: 04
    Let's be honest: when does the state need us? The list is short. Pay taxes, serve (who is supposed to), go to the polls (it is not necessary to vote, everyone will draw for you later). Here, mobilization has been added and the prospect of dying for something that is not entirely clear.


    but let's be honest. And this honesty is that in any Western state the list will be exactly the same + curtailed rights of the majority for the sake of various minorities, usually gender and sexual + in fact deprivation of the right to raise their own children.

    Here, mobilization has been added and the prospect of dying for something that is not entirely clear.


    this is not entirely clear to you for any patriot from any country in the world called Motherland. For this very Motherland, which is not entirely clear to you, many generations of our ancestors died and generations of our descendants will die and not at all for the sake of awards and social benefits.
    And here is a colorful manual for those who are not entirely clear against what and whom we are fighting in the NVO in Ukraine

    [Center]

    и




    And of course, "information about the passion for airsoft saboteurs was not confirmed." Of course, but someone tried to confirm?


    and what difference does it make to us whether the people who prepared the sabotage or terrorist attack were interested in airsoft or not? Or that doing airsoft or not affects one’s guilt. If, for example, you didn’t do airsoft, then you definitely need to shoot at them, and if you did, you couldn’t touch him.
    The bullets hit those who were preparing sabotage and terrorist attacks, which means they hit those who need it and the degree of skills, giftedness of these "people" does not interest us.
    How at one time I was not interested in belonging to the liberal and opposition parties of Alexei Kabanov, who first strangled and then furiously chopped his wife into pieces, threw them in bags in a trash can and then pretended to be a bunny and a victim of the "regime"
    And judging by this article, the bullets hit not only the right one, but also ricocheted those who supported and support them.
    1. Des
      -2
      4 December 2022 12: 14
      The author is talented, experienced and good at articles on almost any given topic). But an officer. And this is a different world and history.
      1. +2
        4 December 2022 13: 24
        Quote: Des
        The author is talented, experienced and good at articles on almost any given topic). But an officer.


        and where is it indicated that every officer is a patriot and loves the Motherland?. An officer can be as much a careerist as an official and simply love the money that the Motherland pays him.
        1. Des
          -1
          4 December 2022 15: 07
          Quote: lopvlad
          and where is it indicated that every officer is a patriot and loves his homeland?
          You plus from me for such a question. It was the first time in my entire life that I heard it.
      2. +1
        4 December 2022 14: 25
        Quote: Des
        The author is talented, experienced and good at articles on almost any given topic). But an officer. And this is a different world and history.

        Vlasov was also an officer, but this did not prevent him from becoming a traitor
      3. -1
        4 December 2022 22: 02
        I don’t know which author is an officer, but he doesn’t talk like an officer at all. Maybe he became an "ahvitzer" only after the military department?
        Talented - no doubt, but the style is very reminiscent of the enemy "jellyfish" and "media zones". Doesn't he also draw from the same feeder?
  31. -6
    4 December 2022 11: 26
    Quote: dmi.pris
    and what guys are now on the front line near Donetsk and Zaporozhye? The same, 20-30 year olds. On whom the state spat and who went to protect this state

    They did not go on their own, their state forced them to.
  32. +1
    4 December 2022 11: 41
    = But there are exceptions to the mass. And these are not the worst representatives of the generation. And alas, they see how much our state does not care about them. Is not it so? I hear the muttering of my generation: “We raised a generation of consumers!”. Sorry, if you do not consume, you can die. Regarding food. Or freeze, if we are talking about clothes. Every society consumes, and this is normal, the only question is quantity and quality. =
    A question to the author, if I may, - what should the state do to make it clear to them that the state does not give a damn about them? And what did each of the "spit" do for the state to demand from him a caring attitude towards him? And, most importantly, what is a state? This is Mrs. power? Or is it the people?
    The state tells us - study, gnaw at the granite of science, and we? Beer, girls, discos, gifts for the teacher to put "oud" in the test book. And those who gnawed granite with their labor leave for the hillock - they pay more there and life is more comfortable. Those. go to the ready. And then who will make life more comfortable? Those who gave gifts to the teacher? So such is the comfort will be in the state. And then - the state is to blame - spit on us, loved ones.
    And, at the expense of consumption. Yes, consumption, in itself, is indeed normal. It's all about goal setting. If consumption is an end in itself, the meaning of life, then this is one thing. And if as a necessity for maintaining the active life of the organism, then this is completely different.
    Why, all the same, guys, so smart, sincere, and their flag is not the one that the media is talking about, went to the service of a neighboring state? Because serving their state is not their meaning of life. Their meaning of life is in consumption, and their native state did not give a damn about them, did not give them the opportunity to consume even more. Therefore, your state is bad, let's, to spite him, help another state. After all, in their opinion, it strives to ensure that its inhabitants consume and consume.
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 14: 23
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Therefore, your state is bad, let's, in spite of him, help another state. After all, in their opinion, it strives to ensure that their inhabitants consume and consume.

      Moreover, "airsoft" pleasure is not at all cheap ... it means that these people were quite wealthy for themselves.
  33. +3
    4 December 2022 11: 51
    What a rotten mess.
    First, ignorance of the law is no excuse. The fact that it is hard for the poor fellow to understand the Criminal Code has never picked anyone anywhere.
    Secondly, it's not my fault, but the cook himself - a story known for a long time. I got into a bad environment, but there was no other ideology - this is how the whole nation justified itself in the 45th, not forgetting to add that in general only 40% voted for the NSDAP. It hasn't helped to this day.
    Thirdly, they explain only on philosophy, but the state is built on propaganda, and the USSR, for example, and any army and always, too.
    In the latter case, there is such a situation that a person with a passport is an adult, and is OBLIGED to answer for his ACTIONS. And they were not shot at a circle of choral singing with balalaikas in their hands.
    Fourth, do you want public education in the country? Dali, then, to your future, about which they cry so much from the fact that they themselves cannot educate - ideology? The state gave, otherwise you are all weak? Then, for starters, SHUT UP about the lines in schools with the singing of the national anthem, otherwise these all sobbing here in unison yelled out loud how it all hurts them
  34. -2
    4 December 2022 11: 53
    Very reasoned.
    I think the author needs to go to court, where to present evidence of the illegality of the actions of the FSB.
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 14: 15
      Quote: iouris
      Very reasoned.
      I think the author needs to go to court, where to present evidence of the illegality of the actions of the FSB.

      Can you pat all the traitors on the head? During the war for such one sentence should be - death
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 16: 17
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin

        Can you pat all the traitors on the head? During the war for such one sentence should be - death

        If these, "spit by the state", did not resist, no one would have killed them.
        1. -1
          4 December 2022 20: 41
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          If these, "spit by the state", did not resist, no one would have killed them.

          But in vain ... unfortunately
        2. 0
          4 December 2022 22: 12
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          If these, "spit by the state", did not resist, no one would have killed them.

          They were not killed, they were liquidated. After that, should the FSB report on the development of its operations? Thanks to the science fiction writers from the media for their ability to analyze extensively the information that the security forces have the right to convey to the layman. Often there is no trace of the true state of affairs.
      2. +1
        4 December 2022 17: 21
        And how to rein them in if he is at the top of power
    2. +4
      4 December 2022 15: 41
      I think the author needs to go to court, where to present evidence of the illegality of the actions of the FSB.
      This is not a royal business. Here an article with such comments turned out, and you - "to the court."
  35. +9
    4 December 2022 11: 59
    God, how many words!!? Did they shoot at the FSB officers or not?
    1. +3
      4 December 2022 15: 42
      Yes, it’s not the main thing who shot on vacation. The main thing is to add black colors on the sly again and create protest moods.
  36. Eug
    +6
    4 December 2022 12: 09
    Always and everywhere he wrote - the USSR, first of all, was destroyed by lies and window dressing, absolutely understandable to everyone ... Russia is successfully following the same path as the late USSR. For the successful development of the country, it is necessary not to oppose the increase in personal income with the development of society, but, on the contrary, the development of society should occur in parallel with the enrichment of its members (not only material, but also moral). It was not for nothing that the basis of the Stalinist economy was the reduction of employment time (at least, it was declared so) - this was to leave time for self-realization. In other words, the Motherland is the way of life that you WANT to protect...
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 15: 40
      The USSR was destroyed by the communists who were disappointed in the idea, but they were rather weak in intelligence and literacy. But they saw and knew how successful the West is. So on, or stupidly copy and at the same time do not forget yourself. The most important secured a long old age in the world of capitalism. He was smart enough for that.
  37. +3
    4 December 2022 12: 26
    Well, we have complete chaos in Bashkiria, sheer window dressing, total corruption and nepotism in all government bodies. I already wrote here that our SNT was illegally turned off and tortured without electricity, and without it we have no heating and even water is not available. This lawlessness was organized by LLC ESKB - a division of Inter RAO Kovalchuk. I won’t describe the details, but guys here 20-30 years old answer me - yeah, I’m going to the front now, and these creatures will come and turn off my family’s electricity in the cold.
    Needless to say, given that this is a natural monopoly, the Bashkir authorities, the prosecutor's office and the courts and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are inactive and even contribute to lawlessness in gardens throughout Bashkiria. So draw your own conclusions...
    And Moscow stubbornly sends our complaints to Bashkiria without opening

    No one came out to defend the union also because the state propaganda with the picture on TV and radio absolutely did not correspond to reality. Like two different realities. It is now that we have seen in comparison the advantages of our vast Motherland, but this fact cannot be canceled ...

    It is you and I who are making big corrections and anticipation, having the knowledge, the bitter experience of comparison. Knowing and seeing theft and deceit, we take into account all the nuances in order to exclude repetition. But! Young people do not look at the situation like that - they see what they see and draw conclusions without any adjustments for history and love for the Motherland, for the most part
    1. +1
      4 December 2022 15: 56
      guys here 20-30 years old answer me - yeah, I'm going to the front now, and these creatures will come and turn off the electricity to my family in the cold.

      Iron logic. What are these guys doing to make these problems go away? Now. Until they were called. I think nothing. And then they won't do anything. They just talk in tongues. Courage is needed to solve problems and to go to war. Those who do not solve problems at home now - just cover up their cowardice with "smart" words. Like, there is a good reason.
  38. +5
    4 December 2022 12: 31
    I suggest the author to look "in himself". How many such critics I listened to, in fact, they themselves turned out to have the same vices that they accuse those in power of. Sometimes it seems to me that these seemingly adult people lack critical thinking. And yet, they have never been and are not poor people, they do not understand the price of seemingly simple but important things.
  39. 0
    4 December 2022 12: 33
    It all starts at school or even kindergarten. Back in the 90s, I said that the destruction of the country began with the destruction of the SYSTEM of education and EDUCATION, according to the plan of the overseas "partner", or rather the sovereign. Back in the 70-80s, so criticized and despised by many "progressive liberals", the 1st department of military schools listed all the points and methods of the ideological war to destroy states, which included the destruction of the systems of upbringing and education of children, the substitution of cultural values, discrediting the leadership and religious authorities, corrupting and reformatting the ruling elites, etc. Bronze-age, arrogance, pride and privileges, low moral and business ambitions, unsupported by anything, banal philistinism and betrayal of the party nomenclature and leadership, degradation and nepotism of the leadership of law enforcement agencies, led to the destruction of the Soviet state from the inside, by the hands of their own leadership under the control of the enemy, with subsequent destruction of economic and political potential, plunder of state resources.
    A country created on the basis of lies, betrayal and crime, with any potential, cannot have a worthy place in the world and progress in any area, that is. educating "advanced consumers" instead of creating creative and developed personalities, providing educational services. Moreover, it is not necessary to expect any cardinal changes, in my opinion, the layman. In power, the same people who betrayed, destroyed, sold, but did not create, destroyed the Soviet and traditionally communal community of people, created an inherited estate society, divided by an abyss not only of material wealth and sphere of habitation, but also by mentality, moral and cultural self-awareness. All of them, all of this new nobility, despising their people and the territory of their forced stay, do not associate their future with this country, interested in it only as a source of personal enrichment, turning into banal nouveau riches, continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly, waiting for when everyone will return as it was before. When personnel policy is formed on the basis of nepotism, personal devotion and crime, ignoring professional experience and any achievements in the field of activity, when political and social policy is created on the basis of hypocrisy, lies and a cynical Jesuit attitude towards people, when the only and main criterion for everything and everything , spiritual and material only loot and benefit, it is difficult to expect progress in the development of the country, high patriotism and social cohesion, separated by an insurmountable abyss, different habitats.
    1. +1
      4 December 2022 14: 09
      Quote: seacap
      high patriotism and cohesion of society, divided by an insurmountable abyss, different habitats.

      Another mistake ... in general, I agree with you, except for one thing, there is no need to oppose the authorities and the rest of the people. The vices of both of them are the same and they develop simultaneously, for no matter how many would like to divide, but we are one people. I saw too much as a seemingly normal simple person, having a little bit of power, albeit a little, changes dramatically and more often not for the better.
      1. +3
        4 December 2022 15: 12
        Only the enemies of the government and the people oppose the power and the people.
        Because our power is entirely composed of our people. There are no Americans, English or Zulus among our authorities. And there is no need to single out officials, policemen, entrepreneurs, etc. into separate castes. And even to refuse criminals. This is also our people. With all the pluses and minuses inherent in our society.
      2. +2
        4 December 2022 15: 57
        [quote = Alexey Sidaikin] there is no need to oppose the authorities and the rest of the people. [/ qu
        And no one opposes, this is just a very generalized statement of a fait accompli, based on personal impressions from communicating with people of different classes. Also, nowhere did I say that this is all 100% of the bureaucracy to the very top, the conversation is about the created system and created conditions where initiative and creativity are impossible, where careerism and extreme unprofessionalism reign, when the civil service is considered as a personal business project. By the way, your words confirm all of the above, that the system puts any person in a mandatory uncomfortable frame, where he cannot act otherwise. Take the same EP where there are a lot of honest and decent people, but in general ..., the same Panfilova was once an honest and fundamentally decent woman, and what is it now, etc. etc. There is no opposition, just different goals and different expectations, as well as opportunities.
        1. -1
          4 December 2022 20: 30
          Quote: seacap
          where initiative and creativity are impossible, where careerism and extreme unprofessionalism reign, when the civil service is viewed as a personal business project. By the way, your words confirm all of the above, that the system puts any person in a mandatory uncomfortable frame

          Maybe then we'll start ... perhaps already from the Stone Age about careerism and the lack of initiative? “I am the boss, you are the boss, I am,” it was not even said in the last century, and nothing has changed in this, because human nature cannot be changed. The civil service is always and everywhere regarded as a personal "business project" under any government and at all times. There are, of course, those who are everything for the state ... but firstly, this is such a rarity and people very often are completely dissatisfied with life. For such people do not care about themselves or the people. The fact that the system is to blame for everything is an excuse for the mean ones who could not resist the temptation to snatch an extra piece. For example, there is a team and one of the workers turns out to be a little closer to the authorities and is appointed senior. He may well continue to work honestly, they don’t incline him to anything, but he begins to heal his salary in his pocket ... inform on the others who says what ... also tell me the system is to blame? He is not persuaded to this, the authorities from this are neither warm nor cold. It's just that a person could not resist the temptation of profit and the desire to curry favor for the sake of preferences from the big boss. And this happens often. It was and will be. They curse the system before they themselves become a brick of the system, and often they are driven by banal envy that they are not in the place of this or that official, etc. it gnaws at them that they themselves are not bricks of the system ... And yes, I have every right to judge because they are not in the system and have never longed to be in it and have always been able to get along with the authorities starting from military service.
        2. -1
          4 December 2022 21: 13
          Aren't you afraid that Panfilova will sue you for slander? If you have concrete facts, tell me, but it is dishonorable to erect in vain!
    2. +4
      4 December 2022 14: 20
      I can add ... airsoft is not a cheap pleasure at all, this is not paintball for you ... so your sobs are off topic because they are wealthy people once they can afford expensive entertainment.
  40. +4
    4 December 2022 12: 56
    Many letters are written. Even in words organized. But the facts are bad.
    By medicine. Due to my age, I am facing it. And I know for sure that what happened 10-15 years ago and now it is heaven and earth for the better. Everyone chooses culture for themselves: watch TV shows, drink booze, whine about what is bad and someone is to blame, which will really turn to our rich Russian culture and nature. It is nature. She is also our mother. And about education, as Vysotsky sang: and if you are dumb as a tree, you will be born a baobab and you will live a hundred years until you die. At least what money to pay if the mind is not in the mood to work, then I'm sorry - move over. And it's not a disaster. There is a labor shortage in the country. All works are good - choose to taste. You once chose airsoft. Here everything is medicine and education and culture. Most importantly, thousands of people have passed through you. Very grown up.
    By the way, I agree with a lot of your writing. But excessive emphasis is placed on the fact that somewhere someone sometimes does not want to live honestly, that's why we are like that.
  41. +1
    4 December 2022 13: 01
    What's in return? Yes, nothing too. A parody of education, for which you have to dump a lot of money, a parody of medicine, when it is easier for the policy to die in line from old age, and a great prospect of applying to private medicine. Culture, or rather, its wretched absence. And television, glorifying pop stars and politicians under the guise of an ideology for the masses.

    From myself I will add the lack of judicial protection. Yes, you can win the court, but execute its decisions yourself. Checked on myself.
    And about the generation of 20-30 year olds, then the author is mistaken. It's not about the generation, but about the way of life, more precisely, in the brains. Anyone who sees the deception is unlikely to believe _THIS STATE_
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 14: 02
      Quote: Not the fighter
      _THIS STATE_

      That they are also ready to betray their homeland following the example of these airsoft players?
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  42. +3
    4 December 2022 13: 31
    Quote: dauria
    ".... and Vaska listens and eats"

    Vaska has been educating the people "for himself" for thirty years. He is raising the "new" ones with all his might, waiting with hope when those who made the USSR die out.
    That's what he brought up. Who is offended? Mice do not want to protect Vaska from kicks and dogs? Well, they are mice, why would they.

    Yes, no one brought up the people not for himself, not from himself, they simply abandoned him, they said: "Everything that is not forbidden is allowed" and "Money is our EVERYTHING" and everyone was delighted with FREEDOM !!!! And I had to deal with the education of young people, but there was no time, I had to have time to snatch more shmat from the Union, in short, I have no words, only obscene ones, and now what has grown has grown am
    1. -5
      4 December 2022 14: 00
      Strange ... but among the youth there are just a lot more real patriots than the generation born in the USSR. The most grumpy ones who are always dissatisfied with everything are just over 40
      1. +6
        4 December 2022 16: 06
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        but among the youth there are just a lot more true patriots than among the generation born in the USSR.

        Those over 40, they cook steel in factories and create national wealth, they are now in the trenches under bullets and shells. Those born in the USSR are not visible in the queues on the Georgian border and in the Kazakh steppes hanging around Western embassies.
        1. -1
          4 December 2022 20: 40
          Quote: seacap
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          but among the youth there are just a lot more true patriots than among the generation born in the USSR.

          Those over 40, they cook steel in factories and create national wealth, they are now in the trenches under bullets and shells. Those born in the USSR are not visible in the queues on the Georgian border and in the Kazakh steppes hanging around Western embassies.

          Yes, for those over 40 there are not many of them in the queues at the borders ... because, firstly, it’s hard to run somewhere with the family, we are no longer young people to easily break away. The second - to those over 40 they still whine just like at home in the kitchen and on the internet. And thirdly, who are over 40, all the same people are different, those whose youth fell on the 90s whine less because they are used to relying on themselves and not expecting anything from the state, this is my generation, but those who are a little older ... those who are 48-55 oh so much among them whiners and dissatisfied. One thing they whine well at home and do not go to the polls
  43. +6
    4 December 2022 13: 55
    Oh how... as a regular client of our medicine (disability) I can say that stop talking clichés. There are problems, no doubt about it. But the fact that it is easier to die than to get help is a lie. And the second betrayal is a hundred times worse than saboteurs, especially during the war. And trying to find an excuse for them is the same as saying that the gene. Vlasov is not to blame, this is such a life and the state is to blame for everything ...
    1. +3
      4 December 2022 14: 46
      But the fact that it is easier to die than to get help is a lie.

      I confirm. Do not lie. I understand that different situations are possible. But my personal experience is positive. Helped, put on their feet for free.
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 18: 48
        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        positive personal experience. Helped, put on their feet for free.

        And my experience is very negative. They took away time with "electronic bursts", slapped my wife with a false diagnosis of breast cancer with liver cancer ... in general, my beauty was gone.
        And when I got out of the depression a bit, it was just "covid restrictions" that got me stuck in the Russian Federation.
  44. 0
    4 December 2022 13: 58
    I work with the younger generation. Of course, they understand a lot, they still have to understand a lot, according to my information, 10 percent watch Ukrainian Internet resources, sympathize with Ukraine, treat Russia with hostility, 50 percent are quite innable, such as tolerance, etc., 40 percent stand on firm positions, know how to distinguish between the interests of the state and the fatherland, understand the complexity of the moment and all life, but will not retreat
  45. +3
    4 December 2022 14: 15
    Strange article. Then I looked at the source that served as the source, and there they wrote this to themselves: “As a result of the “fake news” law passed by the Russian parliament in March 2022 after the invasion of Ukraine, The Moscow Times moved its journalists abroad and opened a temporary newsroom in Yerevan, Armenia. In addition, we have taken a number of steps to protect our employees. Until it is safe to do otherwise, some articles may appear unsigned or, at the discretion of the editors, under a pseudonym." https://www.themoscowtimes.com/page/moscowtimes. Everything, nothing more to say.
  46. +1
    4 December 2022 14: 42
    All politicians lie. What are ours, what are American, what are living on the territory of the former Ukraine.
    Figuring out who's lying more or less is digging through shit to figure out which sort of shit is better.
    A person liable for military service does not have the right to refuse to fulfill his duties because something was not explained to him, conditions were not created, or because it seems to him that someone is lying. Even if that's all it is.
    And to support a country with which a war is being waged is an unambiguous betrayal.
    These must be destroyed. Even if you have to become Taras Bulba.

    All these calls not to lie, to explain, etc. - this is intellectual snot like crying about the "tear of a child." There is a concept of the Motherland and you defend it or a coward and a scoundrel.
    If you are against the authorities and their policies, then fight to remove these authorities and change the policy that you think is unsuitable. But no. When there is no war, then just mumbling from sofas. And like war, "consciousness" immediately pushes them to run away so as not to suffer and justify their cowardice with an allegedly civil position.

    The war will show who is who. And not only among politicians, although among them too. I think that it would be right for all these nimble "refugees" to be identified and then deprived of the right to hold any public office. And also the right to vote.

    I didn't have to fight. But after uni, I served my 1,5 years. And I had no illusions about serving in the army. But he did not even try to look for opportunities to "mow down" from the army. There weren't even any thoughts. And our whole generation was like that. It was called "pay back to the motherland." And of all my friends and acquaintances, none of them fled from / from the army, although some were sent to fight in Afghanistan.
    Yes, now February 23 has become a holiday for all male beings. Maybe it makes sense to return the holiday to its original meaning. Because in my opinion a man is not only a breadwinner, but also a protector.
    1. +2
      4 December 2022 15: 25
      And our whole generation was like that. It was called "pay back to the motherland."


      There is no way to put a hundred pluses. I can only do one.
  47. +3
    4 December 2022 14: 53
    The Russian state stands on this, if they lie to the president in such a way that their ears are wrapped, they are afraid, but nevertheless, they lie - that's all. There is nothing to talk about.

    The state stands not because of this, but in spite of it. They lie precisely because they are afraid. And the state stands on those who are not afraid, who have nothing to fear - to lose their position, to fall out of the cage.
    The answer is simple: they flew to the same tomorrow, which our today's 20-30 will organize for us.

    If today's 20-30s do not start lying, just like today's "core generation" - we can hope for improvement.
    So that they do not start lying, you need to instill in them confidence that they are expected to tell the truth, and are ready to discuss their opinion.
    Of course you can't shoot. But something tells me that in this particular case it was impossible otherwise - they had already taken up arms, had skills, and perhaps the curator left them no choice, opening fire first.
    How to work with them so that they do not work for the enemy? What words to find? And who should do it? FSB? Come on…

    - and no one else. The author is out of this thread. Washed your hands?
  48. -1
    4 December 2022 15: 03
    Without touching on the deeper topics raised by the author, I will voice a simpler message.
    During wars, NWO, etc. the activities of all kinds of airsoft and similar organizations should be suspended, as well as it is forbidden to appear in any places other than the places of one's own residence with any items resembling automatic weapons and grenades.
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 15: 35
      During wars, NWO, etc. the activities of all airsoft and similar organizations should be suspended

      So why stop? To provide all persons liable for military service with the opportunity to practice in combat conditions. Not exactly what "kids" like to play with, but it helps a lot to grow up and saves money.
      1. -3
        4 December 2022 15: 55
        But not at this time. People in camouflage with items resembling or identical to military weapons can provoke an incorrect interpretation of what is happening, both for ordinary citizens and for military units.
      2. -3
        4 December 2022 18: 44
        I would also say, and the brains set in the right direction
  49. 0
    4 December 2022 15: 47
    Very emotionally written.
    But, if, at least in May, it sounded that the goal was to include such and such territories in the Russian Federation, and recognition by Ukraine and such and such other countries of this and that ...
    Do not like the author's emotions! I do not like a lot of speculation and understatement. But the boldness of a public statement commands respect.
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 21: 55
      Yes, there is no courage. Trample the keyboard of any du... the user can
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      1. +1
        13 December 2022 23: 53
        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
        At best money, at worst betrayal.

        It does not interfere.
  50. +6
    4 December 2022 15: 59
    The employee holds the game flag and passes it off as evidence. Dumber and incompetent nowhere. But the author, however, "believes" in the correctness of the FSB. Strange logic. If an FSB colonel can turn "denazification" into "negotiations on any terms," ​​then an ordinary FSB officer can turn an innocent airsoft player into a saboteur.
    1. 0
      9 December 2022 10: 02
      Well, let's go smash the "bloody gebnu" (if anything, this is a quote from the novel "Fair in Sokolniki").
    2. 0
      10 December 2022 15: 43
      I also liked this twist. Everyone lies, only the FSB and the president need to be trusted, that's the message of the article
  51. -2
    4 December 2022 16: 25
    ... And everyone in the country lies, and the polymers have screwed everything up, and only the fair-faced elf Skomorokhov knows what’s wrong in our country...

    ...what kind of conversation is this anyway? "Bloody KGB" killed "nice boys" who got confused? So, my friend, you are confused. For you, as well as for the rocker from Ufa, simplifying the understanding of everything from the concept of “Motherland” to “everyone is completely lying” is grist for the enemy’s mill. This, by the way, is a typical primitive psychology, a primitivization of consciousness, with which ISIS (banned in Russia) and other Nazis indoctrinate their “flock”: go, dear, we know everything and we’ll simply explain everything to you, and we’ll tell you who to shoot...

    Never mind why this government or the state or the watchman at the entrance did not please you - this is not an excuse for treason. And this is exactly what I hear in Skomorokhov’s words - they say, the guys are good, great at communication, and “FSB bullets hit our future.” Traitors belong in the coffin and in white slippers; they have nothing to do with the future of Russia!
    1. 0
      5 December 2022 08: 39
      Finally, at least someone has an idea of ​​the basics. And he is trying to convey these ideas. At least on one or two narrow issues out of several hundred.
      We have to express knowledge crudely and primitively. Otherwise, readers cannot read more than ten lines.
      Colleague, I see between the lines, I press my paw.
  52. +4
    4 December 2022 17: 11
    I think the original message is wrong. The state is not a feeder. This is the unification of people for a common and better survival. And this has always been the case, regardless of eras and governments. One critical task is joint defense against threats. Another is the creation of public goods to make life easier (transport, communications, medicine, education, science, etc.). Without all this, the survival of an individual is almost impossible. Therefore, asking the question - the state needs me or the state needs me - is fundamentally wrong. Without one ant, an anthill will not fall apart, and one ant without an anthill will not live long.
    The question of justice in the state, including fair distribution, has always been raised, but it in no way replaces the main thing - the purpose and meaning of the existence of the state. It is possible to equalize the rights of everyone, but it will never be possible to equalize opportunities and abilities, just as it will never be possible to equalize the muscle strength of a weightlifter and a ballerina, for example.
    And those who flee the country abandon their state. But in other places there is also a state, albeit a different one. And who will need such runners? People without a homeland.
    And I will add: our state - Russia (Russian Federation) - is all of us, citizens of Russia. And the government is not from Mars or Venus, but again citizens of Russia, whether we like it or not.
    1. +1
      5 December 2022 08: 52
      Absolutely so, dear comrade.
      However, the protest “electorate” has a school level OGE.
      Speech and writing were given to them by the country and people free of charge. So they decided that they have the right to say what they think, even if they don’t think anything at all (they don’t have systematic knowledge from books and from teachers of higher education schools). The problem of the best structure of society, state and law is seen by the protesters as simple as a cobblestone. Constant desire to change history, faith, ancestors.
      However, without the state there are no rights or responsibilities. They arose simultaneously and can only exist simultaneously. But the public brazenly wants only the law (bread and circuses), and without the coercive power of the state. And they don’t see any contradictions! Hedonism and consumption are the basis of behavior. This is how the work of the limbic system of the brain manifests itself, where there are three components of any message: sex, dominance, food. The neocortex is not used.
      It's disgusting, I want to swear all the time. Outrageous lyrics.
      But there is no way to conduct long-term discussions and communicate at least the basic knowledge of the system that was once taught to me, a fool. Just lucky by chance.
  53. -4
    4 December 2022 18: 39
    The author paid you how much the State Department paid for this article! I would have you for 10 years without the right to correspondence for undermining the state and no less
  54. -2
    4 December 2022 19: 08
    Crap. I read halfway through and couldn't go any further. I don't like slop...
    1. +1
      4 December 2022 22: 04
      This article is not “crap” at all, but a competent information sabotage.
  55. +1
    4 December 2022 19: 48
    In place of this "DRG" ​​there should be oligarchs
  56. 0
    4 December 2022 21: 00
    The dead know one thing - it's better to be alive.

    The dead know that they are dead. The living know one thing, that they will be dead. A kind of cycle in knowledge about life and death.
  57. +3
    4 December 2022 21: 48
    20 years ago there was a war in Chechnya. The state was no better. And the situation was much worse. Many of those who were then in their 20s and 30s simply could not afford to buy airsoft equipment. Because I had to buy something to eat. Just don’t say that there was no airsoft back then. There were no less expensive hobbies.
    And then it never occurred to anyone to take the side of the Chechen militants. Because they knew that these were ENEMIES. And for them they are also enemies.
    Let me emphasize once again that the state was much worse then. And all these “airsoft players” grew up in families with income definitely above average.
    So there's no excuse here.
    Rather, the question is: why did such unprincipled people grow up?
    And this is where the main problem lies. Oddly enough, those who fled to the West (and are opposed), oddly enough, were precisely those who had a good life in Russia... What are the earnings of all these loudmouths and IT specialists? And by the way, another question: What is the real benefit of these mouth singers and IT people? I speak like an IT specialist am
    Can you really argue with this?
  58. +2
    4 December 2022 21: 52
    I didn’t immediately pay attention to the author. So this is the patriot-defeatist Skomorokhov! To all his talents (politician, gunsmith-Kulibin, self-made translator, and so on, and so on, and so on), another one was added - a shooter at running people, sorry, a striker of strikes from weapon simulators. Oh yes, also the talent of those who innocently died from ... the Holodomor, sorry, from FSB bullets
  59. +2
    4 December 2022 22: 02
    And the Author himself, it seems, is also not averse to spoiling us. He’s so protective and trying.
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  62. 0
    4 December 2022 22: 55
    Quote: lopvlad
    And here is a colorful manual for those who are not entirely clear against what and whom we are fighting in the NVO in Ukraine

    So the state of the Russian Federation (the community of beneficiaries and officials) has been systematically and clearly implementing this without any joint military cooperation with Ukraine since approximately 2005. The de-Russification of Russia is being carried out at an accelerated pace and the pace is increasing with the beginning of the Northern Military District. Some heads of regions are already conducting their own foreign policy, have national units, the ownership of entire business sectors by individual national diasporas is no longer even surprising, diasporas at the head of territorial executive and legislative authorities in Russian regions have also already become familiar.
    The USSR collapsed when the percentage of Russians fell to 50 in general and to a minuscule number at the head of power groups. Although it is probably more correct to say that the Russians did not have their own national elite then, and even more so they do not have one now. The inevitable russ cutter 2.0 awaits us
  63. +2
    4 December 2022 23: 12
    An incomprehensible article that is not clear what it sells
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  65. -1
    5 December 2022 02: 26
    Does it happen that someone who is used to lying suddenly repents and stops?
    On the contrary, it happens as much as you want, but in this direction, in my rather rich way of recognizing people, their motivations and actions, I don’t remember anything.
    Therefore, the conclusion is: shuffling the deck of those always lying at the top cannot lead to a different result than it is.
    And this is the danger - these are our old rake, because of them the Russian Empire collapsed, because of them the Soviet Union collapsed.
    And, unfortunately, except for one public call by Kartapolov and in a rather narrow aspect of the SVO, no one has yet joined this.
    Why do the top people lie? But because their real aspirations and goals differ from those publicly voiced, all sorts of May decrees and other fiction.
    So, it’s all about personnel, everything is simple - instead of these, you need to find others who can.
    Only Peter the Great, Catherine the Great and Joseph the Great also managed to do this, although not without mistakes in each case.
    You just have to try to become Great to someone, and not “I was deceived.”
  66. +6
    5 December 2022 02: 59
    How difficult it is to explain to the Skomorokhovs that everyone is to blame for what happened starting in the late 80s, or even earlier! Talking about good people and bad government is another trap for suckers. The authorities need to admit that the attempt to unify with Europe was a mistake (and they did a hell of a lot about this matter). And the people need to admit that they succumbed to this. Yes, the same late perestroika, the Belovezhskaya Conspiracy, when practically no one protested, the referendum of ’93, when Yeltsin won the majority, the shooting of the Armed Forces, the election of Yeltsin in ’96. It's all of us! And there is no need to distort when they talk about a consumer society, that without consumption it is impossible. The question is that consumption has become a goal, not a means. And writing articles is incomparably easier than doing something real, something that will help and not harm. And the government will change at its own pace, and if it collapses now, it will happen along with the entire country.
  67. +3
    5 December 2022 07: 55
    I condemn AFtor's cackling. The article was an attempt to be smart, everyone has one. But for those who talk about such categories, there is also a saying - “you can’t match a Kalash with a pig’s snout.” People are not bicycles or cars, you can’t build them all on the same line, reasoning on this topic is from the category of “is there life on Mars?” And yes, about those suckers who went abroad... They did absolutely the right thing from the point of view of the state, showing themselves now, and not running over to the other side at the forefront of the Northern Military District. I am sure that not a single commander of the Northern Military District would be happy with such a “replenishment”.
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  70. +4
    5 December 2022 08: 34
    Lord, what a mess of cotton wool in my head. Critically primitive ideas of what a state, society is, and why humanity came to it, with its pros and cons. Everything is reduced to the formula “I (they) don’t believe it, it didn’t give us anything (it won’t give it), away with it.”
    Go try to live without the state, its territory and functions. Where is such a place now? Where was it in human history and how did it end? There is no money, no goods and rules for their circulation, no food. And what in return or in place of the state, why are you silent? Anarchy, gatherings, veche, shaman, tribe, big club, cannibalism, Mowgli? The right to kill and eat anyone. The right of the strong and healthy. Lack of property. Lack of medicine and science. How to acquire and transfer knowledge, who will do it? Who, for example, will pull out all their rotten teeth by the age of 20, so as not to die from pain, inflammation of soft tissues, or sepsis. But no, we will pretend to be a lonely concentration of power and global production. To make fabric, shoes, metal, a knife, an ax, means of production, housing, energy sources, and means of transportation by yourself. And be killed at any moment. How to resist more organized neighbors? At least one against two. No one can cope with one woman, and yet, all the same, they carry nonsense on a cosmic scale in all seriousness. Who will develop social regulators and adhere to them. What will be the life expectancy?
    Or some kind of association, social contract, restrictions, rules, system of punishments for violating the conditions of existence of society. Plus a system of checks and balances between government and citizens. Legal tools to resist the state and its arbitrariness, which the state gave to citizens and enshrined in writing in the form of laws. After all, all options have been explored and described over thousands of years in history and by philosophical thinkers. Everything has been discussed and decided before us and for us, the sheep. Errors have been identified. Human nature is terrible. There is no heaven on earth. But modern ignoramuses are very dissatisfied with their selfish and social position, they continue to stupidly, like Sharikov, protest against the idea of ​​the state, their history, and at the same time the country and the Motherland.
    Don't like the implementation of the idea, its implementation? But this is normal, guys. There are a lot of distortions. But then you need to know that any methods of changing society are utopian. You should start only with yourself. And take legalized instruments (methods) of restricting persons performing state functions and engage in their effective use. How exactly to do it and what will happen along the way - everything was described hundreds of years ago.
    However, the leitmotif of those protesting against everything and everyone is barely concealed base selfish motives: rights without responsibilities, not giving anything away, but only acquiring, benefits and privileges without investing labor and resources, exemption from responsibilities, more savings, resources and grub. And all at someone else's expense. Neglecting the universal law of conservation of energy. Due to the same dense primitive organisms, which are supposedly only happy to produce everything and give everything to you. You set your own rules and others must follow your rules, right? But in reality, no one will follow your rules. I will evaluate you only as an object, and not as a subject of law.
    Well, outstanding ideas in the head!
    And when you are spouting cosmic primitive nonsense about the best structure of society, it is very important to deny everything, especially the lack of books, education, and your true motives.
  71. +4
    5 December 2022 08: 48
    I didn’t understand anything at all, so who did the bullets hit? There is a lot of water, but there is 0 specifics.
    Did kids under 30 play and play and finish the game? The FSB didn’t understand them, but then they understood, so let’s throw up flags, and even then they’re not the right ones, they don’t have internet or something. I have no questions about who spends their time and how, but if you are a 30-year-old experienced gambler, what ideas might you have for building a state? Otherwise, the state won’t figure it out without you.
    And again the old barrel organ, they lie to us, the generation is growing up and there is no ideology as such, and finally we will end soon.
  72. +3
    5 December 2022 09: 03
    I know first-hand about the security forces, should I shoot just like that? fulfilling the plan to uncover and eliminate enemy sabotage cells, something too much. Even if these guys are gambling addicts, when the security forces came to visit them, why, instead of following the command - “everyone on the floor, hands up in the air, face to the floor,” did they commit actions in response to which the security forces had to open fire to kill. And by the way, the operatives might have known about the gambling addicts, but the capture group was going to capture the militants, and any toy gun in the hands of the suspects, especially since an attempt to point it at the capture group would end in the opening of lethal fire, this is written in the “laws on security forces” . I conclude:
    1 the deceased made an unfortunate joke with weapons or objects resembling weapons when captured
    2 were enemies of the state and offered armed resistance.
    And for the author, this is simply an occasion to express his opinion about power and the state.
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  74. -1
    5 December 2022 10: 31
    Well guys, 1905 and 1917 all at once, with Makhnovism?)
  75. +1
    5 December 2022 12: 07
    It’s always interesting to read articles like this about “go to the polls (you don’t have to vote, everyone will draw for you later)” and people consider the state a herd that just needs to lie to, but it’s not a herd. The author raises a very important problem. But in fact, the author is simply shaky in the most banal way. Yes, he staggers, using the most important topic for the Russian person - the topic of justice. At the same time, the author, apparently, unlike our (terrible, terrible) state, can consider the people stupid. The people think that only in our country the government lies to the people and does not specifically give them a national idea, but in all other countries, as our people think, with fair elections, openness and honesty of the state and an ideology that inflames the heart with patriotism, EVERYTHING IS GOOD. Therefore, the generation of 20-30 living in a terrible country without education and medicine is lost. And all over the world, this generation is the hope of the nation? Dear author, you don’t know our people well. After 30 years of pouring crap into our heads, it only lingered in empty heads. And your fellow stalkers are just banal traitors WITHOUT EXPLANATION OF REASONS. They do not have the right to reasons, just as Vlasov, Judas and Viktor Belenko did not have it.
    1. PC
      +3
      5 December 2022 12: 30
      The author simply justified the betrayal. Apparently, it is somewhere close to him.
  76. 0
    5 December 2022 12: 23
    That’s right... But again, he doesn’t finish the story... Any government lies... The difference is something else... He lies for what and for what purpose... but this is a political question... And when they announce another defeat like that on TV gangster or, as is now fashionable, pro-Ukrainian sabotage group, I am immediately tormented by the question - is this true... After all, only the lazy do not know how our TV lies, how statesmen lie, how the president personally says something that is categorically denied by the current law ...And yet it’s not a matter of lies, but of the system...the state structure...And they try to keep silent about this....This is such a Russian tradition - to remain silent and endure until the last...Maybe that’s why the country is in power so few true Russians...?
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  79. 0
    5 December 2022 12: 58
    Do not confuse the Motherland and the state = governance mechanism. But now there aren’t even states. There are legal entities performing public services. THEY are not hiding anything, look at the register and the signs say “Government Services”.
  80. +2
    5 December 2022 13: 10
    There are hundreds of thousands of these same 20-30 who fled from the warring country. And how many are left who are not for Russia, but even vice versa? What to do with all this?

    The most natural thing is that young Russians are caught up in anti-Russian propaganda. They do not know what awaits them, if God forbid, their homeland suffers defeat in the war. If they had the opportunity to live at least a year or two, as ordinary people or as Russians, in the EU countries or, even better, in Ukraine, then this could correct their brains. But now this cannot be done and it is too late to save them by persuasion. We should have thought about this earlier. No matter how pitiful it is, the only method left is coercion. Mobilization, and for deserters, cowards and alarmists, a military tribunal, and, at best, a penal battalion to atone for guilt before the Motherland. No one has come up with a better one yet.
  81. 0
    5 December 2022 13: 54
    Polyliteral.

    And in the US Congress, where many who spoke out, everything seems ok. They don't lie there? There are no lost 40-year-old Bidenyats there?

    Such articles should be strictly moderated, otherwise the platform would not be closed.
  82. 0
    5 December 2022 14: 35
    "A helpful fool is more dangerous than an enemy." It's been said a long time ago.
  83. +1
    5 December 2022 14: 38
    All true.
    Even instead of saying that they killed the trisoft players who got caught in the intelligence network (or not? It’s unclear) - they started to lie - no airsoft players, only the Far Eastern Military District of Ukraine....

    Everyone is used to it. Nobody cares. There were about the same lies and half-truths during the 93 coup. With the suppression of Chechnya, with the volunteers of the “Russian Spring”, and its liquidation by the frightened authorities, with the non-recognition of the LDPR and “we will not attack” and with urgent recognition and promotion...

    Yes, even now. It’s just that the well-fed media don’t write anymore - “all the fat has disappeared there” - I’m tired of the stupid lies, and “all the military are neo-Nazis, bandits and Banderaites. They didn’t kill them, they liquidated them, and that’s okay.”

    Like that. About the same can be heard in Goblin’s stories of new deputies who got into the Duma, telegram posts of the ex-president, explanations and promises of officials and “managers”...
    And nothing can be done to them... untouchable and irreplaceable...
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  85. +1
    5 December 2022 18: 36
    There is nothing strange! Take America - there is a pure “West”, people have no principles, no conscience or morals, there is only a passion for money and fear of those in power. Accordingly, their behavior is that someone will deceive someone, or even kill someone, just to avoid getting caught! Therefore, they cannot do without a high percentage of police in the population and such a colossal number of lawyers. And most importantly, the state does not owe anything to anyone, but on the contrary, every citizen is considered primarily as a source of taxes and a consumer of services. It is clear that there is no patriotism as such, but only contract service and no matter against whom! So, after the collapse of the USSR, we took a course towards Western “values”, threw the population into the abyss of wild capitalism, actually turned on natural selection for the most “inhuman” qualities, and behind the screens of political parties only one single real one could be traced -! a party of swindlers and thieves! Health care, education, social guarantees were drained, and gradually the population began to degenerate. In the eyes of young people there is no longer any sincerity, but only cold calculation and defensive reflexes from everything that “prevents them from living” / i.e. from the same morality, conscience, patriotism... / And then there was a smell of frying, the state rushed to extol the Motherland and patriots, and lo and behold, they were almost gone! But a whole generation of people has already grown up who do not harbor false hopes and do not feel responsible to anyone, for whom money has no smell, and who will do whatever you want for the appropriate payment, no matter who pays them - Putin doesn’t pay, the SBU will pay!
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  87. +1
    5 December 2022 20: 45
    I don’t understand why this masterpiece cannot be called the author of this opus in any other way, the competent authorities have not yet become interested, well, why make all this nonsense and play along with the Ukrainian special services. Maybe the author gets information from there, if anyone has forgotten, when Chechen terrorists started blowing up in Moscow at home, then the liberal crowd and some journalists were also looking for a secret trace in the explosions as if the machinations of the FSB. Note that the same handwriting can be seen in all of this, the same specialists. There is no need to look for some kind of conspiracy trace where there is none. The author of this The article arouses the wrong emotions among our population.
    1. 0
      7 December 2022 15: 06
      Right!! Wrong emotions!!! Not ours!!! Everyone rejoice!!! God save the king! Let us lay down everything for Mother Russia without sparing our belly! God is with us! Security guard, don't sleep! fellow
  88. 0
    5 December 2022 21: 49
    Blizzard, Mr. Skomorokhov, blizzard. What are the specifics? Or is it just a matter of whining?
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  90. 0
    6 December 2022 15: 43
    We still have generals with close ties with Ukraine (wives,
    contacts, real estate, business, etc.). So, start from the top, and you will always have time to get to the bottom. The degree of unprofessionalism and corruption in the General Staff and senior management without exception.
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  93. 0
    7 December 2022 20: 25
    But the recipe is simple. For starters, just stop lying.

    Lies are the very “bolts” that hold power... And you want to remove them...
  94. 0
    9 December 2022 09: 59
    The article is interesting, but let’s agree that we ourselves have dragged and are dragging the state towards exactly the position described in the article. For 30 years we ourselves have demanded that the state not interfere in our affairs, our lives, methods and the process of raising our children. We ourselves shouted that the model is the states where the citizen is given complete freedom of action. Live as you want, make money as you want and don’t think about anything. And WE were all eager to live like this. And this means only one thing - minimal interaction with the state and its institutions. And now everyone has rushed to brand this state as careless children scold their parents, who gave them the freedom to build their own lives.
    Because we got what we fought for, but in a distorted form. Although young people like this situation more. Although it is also vicious because young people have mixed up the desire to receive everything from the state and not owe it anything.
    The article is correct, but only for a different social system, and we have capitalism. Well, or a very subtle build-up of the state and society, since again they are being opposed and butting heads. Well? Are you giving a new bourgeois revolution?
  95. 0
    10 December 2022 15: 42
    if the president is lied to so much that his ears are covered

    And how the president lies: about the retirement age, about “there will be no mobilization,” about “there are no conscripts on the front line,” about “25 million high-tech jobs”…….