American edition: The supply of Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv will bring more problems to the United States than it will help Ukraine

Ukraine is begging the United States for the supply of Patriot anti-aircraft systems, Washington is considering such a possibility, but so far no final decision has been made. However, according to Military Watch Magazine, even in the case of a positive decision, this complex is unlikely to surpass the older modifications of the S-300.

According to the American publication, the supply of Patriot air defense systems will become useless for Ukraine and will bring more problems to the United States than it will help Kyiv, if such a decision is nevertheless made. So far, there are only talks about this, but Zelensky constantly demands to "close the sky over Ukraine."

Today, Ukrainian air defense is almost destroyed, although at the time the Russian special operation began, Kyiv possessed the largest arsenal of high-altitude air defense systems in Europe, having inherited the S-300 systems from the Soviet Union. Russian aviation methodically destroyed the Ukrainian systems, despite opposition from them. The same fate awaits the Patriot air defense system, which is essentially an analogue of the Soviet S-300 system, but proved to be much worse in Iraq, but against Yemeni rebels.

Since the United States will not supply large numbers of anti-aircraft systems, they will not play a big role in small quantities, and their destruction will significantly undermine the allies' confidence in American missile defense and seriously limit interest in further purchases of this complex.

Another argument against the supply of Patriot air defense systems, the publication calls the possibility of Russian troops to test their countermeasures on it. It is also not excluded that the complex may fall into the hands of the Russian military, and this will mean a complete collapse of the US national security system.

Comments

[Silver99]

"Ukrainian air defense has been defeated" (((enough of these boastful assurances, if this is so, then why is the front-line long-range aviation of the Russian Air Force not used?

[Godzila]

The supply of Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv will bring more problems to the United States than it will help Ukraine

It's already a war! These complexes will serve the military from NATO..
It's time to use Cuba already with ours, etc.

[Keer]

It is not a fact that the Cubans are eager to cooperate with the current "ours". Who are so fond of 'gestures of goodwill.' To put it simply, substitute your life for such a variable 'ally'. Even huge China does not really want to.

[Johnson Smithson]

Even under Castro and the scoop, the Cubans no longer wanted to cooperate, after the withdrawal of our missiles.

[Keer]

Somehow, about thirty years ago, I talked, at a commemoration, with one bison, who, having drunk a little, told how the Cubans, in Cuba, they were almost shot down, at the news of "goodwill"

[matsur]

Quote from Johnson Smithson

Even under Castro and the scoop, the Cubans no longer wanted to cooperate, after the withdrawal of our missiles.

Well, even our citizens are not eager to have any relationship with the leadership. It will come out more expensive.

[krops777]

Even huge China does not really want to.

Does China need it? Its entire industry, economy, financial sector is sharpened for the EU and US markets, close them tomorrow and what will happen to it, China's role in the world is quite clearly defined, but to show that we also have our own opinion and a power with nuclear weapons and cheap resources from a neighbor, it is for this reason that China is slightly friends with Russia, but nothing more, there is no need to have illusions.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Silver99

why is the front-line long-range aviation of the Russian Air Force not used?

Ukrainian air defense as a system has not existed since the spring. There are separate installations that are not capable of protecting objects, but they can shoot down an aircraft from an ambush. And do we need it?
Therefore, long-range aviation works with long-range missiles. And the front just works.
It's not clear what's wrong here...

[Keer]

It is not clear why there are bridges on which echelons openly go.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Keer

why are there bridges

Bridges are not so easy to destroy, and therefore they are destroyed not just like that, but for a specific operation.
Echelons are unlikely to go openly. If you were faced with the task of supplying your military, then you would come up with something, right? They would move cargo in small batches, different routes, at night and in disguise. And to fuck all the wagons in a row - no missiles will be enough ...

[MikMikls]

Because they are afraid of air defense systems, because. protection against SAM-Khibiny, for SU30,34,35 sent for modernization based on the experience of Ukraine. They don't fly high, so they don't bomb.

[FoBoss_VM]

Even if there is at least some kind of operating air defense of Khokhlostan, questions arise why the Tu22 is not involved in the full bomb load option. Because there are very effective ways to open and suppress existing air defense before a raid, there is a reb, there are escort drying cover. If you want, you can carry out the operation of carpet bombing without loss. But our political leadership does not give permission for this. For some reason. Just as it does not give permission for the destruction of railway depots, large railway junctions and traction dogs, bridges and tunnels to disrupt the logistics of the APU. question of questions

[Keer]

The answer is on the surface. They don't want these facilities to be destroyed.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

there are very effective ways to open and suppress existing air defense before a raid

There is no active air defense system. There are separate installations that hide along the landings, turn on for a minute, hit after the last plane and immediately dump. This object does not save from a raid, but it gives a powerful informational victory: the valiant air defense officers shot down a litak - all of Ukraine rejoices and gallops. And we need it - to lose planes?

[Nick2591]

All our political leadership, together with the military, will not let us destroy our business and logistics in Ukraine. And they pity the soldiers only in words. This is one. And the second is that most likely we have problems and the army is much larger than in parades.

[poquello]

"Zelensky constantly demands to "close the sky over Ukraine.""
naive fool, they could have closed

[tihonmarine]

Quote: poquello

naive fool, they could have closed

They will close and "close" for a long time if he remains alive.

[Godzila]

Quote: poquello

"Zelensky constantly demands to "close the sky over Ukraine.""
naive fool, they could have closed

Yes, he doesn’t care about all this .. The main thing is to beg for money in Jewish fashion and has already begged for 90 lard to kill Russians and continues ..
In the meantime, the losses of Svidomo are monstrous and the economy
Jews took revenge on Bandera in full Russian art destroys them every day in batches

[for]

According to the American publication, the supply of Patriot air defense systems will become useless for Ukraine and will bring more problems to the United States

Well, if the publication believes, then there will be no more.

[Egor53]

The Patriot air defense system is a worthless air defense system. This rubbish is taken only by the US colonies.

[Denis812]

If you compare with the C400, then maybe you are right.
But apart from the C300 / 400 and the Chinese, no one else has anything.
So the Patriot is quite a norm for the rest.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Yes. Having put the Patriot, they will screw up just like the Germans screwed up with their vaunted "iris" ....

[Boa kaa]

Quote: CAT BAYUN

Yes. Having put the Patriot, they will screw up just like the Germans screwed up with their vaunted "iris" ....

There will be no deliveries for a number of reasons:
1. very expensive - 1 rocket launch costs 3 million dollars;
2. You need to put your operators behind the consoles. It is not realistic to prepare ukrov to the level of the Yankees in such a short time;
3. the effectiveness of the complex against the SVZ PRR is not higher than 50%, which means that their losses are real;
4. if the Patriot gets dirty in Ukraine, then no one will buy it for sure. Everyone will switch to the S-400. And the Yankees will not be able to survive this: they will hang themselves from greed and anger, because. the myth of the "super-duper" Patriot will be dispelled, and with it the profits of the military-industrial complex and the image of Raytheon.
AHA.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

1. very expensive - 1 rocket launch costs 3 million dollars;

If now staffers are complaining that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are spending an incredible amount of 155-mm shells, then I’m even afraid to imagine what it will cost America to supply Patriots to Ukraine. And the Americans are such a people for whom the price of the issue is decisive in absolutely everything - from buying toilet paper to the war. The phrase "Bargaining is inappropriate here" is not about America.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

4. if the Patriot gets dirty in Ukraine, then no one will buy it for sure. Everyone will switch to the S-400. And the Yankees will not be able to survive this: they will hang themselves from greed and anger, because. the myth of the "super-duper" Patriot will be dispelled, and with it the profits of the military-industrial complex and the image of Raytheon.
AHA.

Exactly the same thing I just said in another thread.
Repeat

The strongest athlete is the one who does not participate in competitions.

[Andrey Moskvin]

If they, with their extravagance, start shooting at every Geranium with a Patriot ...

[Denis812]

if the Patriot gets dirty in Ukraine, then no one will buy it for sure. Everyone will switch to the S-400

"ALL" cannot switch to C400.
There are a bunch of rich Western countries that will be forced to buy Patriots.
Because we will not sell the S300 and 400 to them, and China will not sell their crafts to them either.
But BV, Africa and Latinos may well switch to us and China. It's true.

[Michael]

Calculations need to be really "drilled" and "coordinated" for at least 3 months. If they wrote about the impossibility of deliveries, then by February 23 they will definitely deliver.

[Buyan]

Demands, begging, the lad went wild, it's time to dispose of the drug addict

[Ryaruav]

Russian aviation is already hitting from a long distance, how will a patriot help? according to the theory of 89 years, the su-25 should hang like in Chechnya, but our aviation cannot hunt for every machine, as in 1944 allied aviation, that was air supremacy

[orionvitt]

Quote: Ryaruav

in 1944 allied aviation, that was air supremacy

Not so dominance. The allies in long-range bomber aviation suffered huge losses and took it exclusively in large numbers. Only when their bombers began to accompany the Mustangs did the losses decrease.

[Lptsk]

NATO does not have layered air defense, they have air defense, this is ia. And the fact that Krajina had the strongest air defense compared to the west is true

[Fangaro]

"Close the sky over Ukraine"...
We cannot, probably, yet close the sky over Ukraine from Starlinks. And from the transmission of data to the Armed Forces of Ukraine from modern AWACS we cannot.

[Michael]

Quote from Fangaro

"Close the sky over Ukraine".

"Close the sky" in modern conditions is to transfer military operations into space. What it threatens, guess.
And about the construction of air defense zones with barrage balloons, with balloons and AWACS airships, you need to think right now. Not hundreds, but hundreds of hundreds of analogues of Geraniums2 will fly (there is a lot of money and even factories will be built), and will the Russian Air Defense Forces cope? However, it was the air defense of the capital that actively took part in the long-standing "palace" coup.

[nik-mazur]

the supply of Patriot air defense systems will become useless for Ukraine and will bring more problems to the United States than help Kyiv

Single complexes will not save the situation in conditions when hundreds of them are needed (and, by the way, they were in Ukraine, but the couple did not help).
And even more so, obsolete systems that fire from a trailer, and even at an angle to the horizon, will not help - these are just one-time suicide bombers in modern conditions, which are not even suitable for ambush hunting for individual aircraft ...

[rocket757]

American edition: The supply of Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv will bring more problems to the United States than it will help Ukraine

. They will give / will not give ... this will not change anything, in principle.

[sagitovich]

Sounds great, just a song...
"The total collapse of the American security system"

[Stoler]

And their air defense is "destroyed" and they don't have an air force, etc., etc. !! A FIGHT WITH A SHADOW?

[Corrosion inhibitor]

The supply of Patriot air defense systems to Kyiv will bring more problems to the United States than it will help Ukraine.

The United States should have had problems on other issues for a long time. China hesitates for a long time, prefers to tell fairy tales about a peaceful settlement and indicate preparations. There are few benefits from them. And this cannot but be alarming.
The feeling is already beginning to emerge that it is more profitable for them to develop further their current "military" success on Damansky Island, and in other Far Eastern territories of the USSR, than to regain their own by right. I would continue, but... I don't want to offend many Chinese who still believe in friendship with Russia. When a person believes, he can do a lot. I still believe in it too.

[Commander Kitty99]

wish my country would stop supplying Ukraine all this stuff.

[Keer]

What country u tell about? Let's drink from grief where

[Keer]

In Russian, this is for weight, do not read

[Keer]

The fact that the West is increasing supplies, and will continue to supply Ukraine with more and more serious equipment, is beyond doubt. That the leadership of the Russian Federation does not like this is very likely. The fact that the leadership of the Russian Federation wants to seriously prevent this by military means is very doubtful.

[Tusv]

Not. Patriot is not an analogue of the C-300. The same as. Who gives target designation in the final section? Yusovsky satellite. and you have to pay for it. Won't you pay? Your rockets fly anywhere, only not on the target. The C 300 has a completely different paradigm. Consumption two Target hit. So We took out almost all of the S 300, as the main component of the air defense of Ukraine

[Illanatol]

Quote from Silver99

Why is it impossible to fill up the entire front line with FABs where the Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving?

Do they move in the open field?
Or do they prefer to be in settlements - towns, villages, etc.?
Do you propose to bomb their soldiers along with civilians?
Not comme il faut, we're not Yankees. It was among the peddlers of democracy that the "collateral losses" were many times higher than the number of armed barmaley destroyed.
The same is with logistics. What prevents the transport of weapons, ammunition, attaching wagons with cargo to passenger trains? And try to destroy such a composition - there will be a howl throughout the Galaxy about "cruel Russian orcs."

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Illanatol

And try to destroy such a composition - there will be a howl throughout the Galaxy about "cruel Russian orcs."

Yes, don't care. The problem is that all cars are the same. Determining where the right cargo is is very problematic. And to hit all the cars in the expectation that somewhere there will be a military cargo - no missiles will be enough.

[Illanatol]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Yes, don't care.

You may not care. But our leadership is definitely not. And not only because of the fact that this is used by enemy propaganda by 200%.

[Kusja]

Duc did not howl only lazy. What else to be afraid of? And about rockets and wagons: Isn't one enough to knock the locomotive off the track, thereby derailing the train?

[Nick2591]

Israel was forced to seriously modernize the Patriot so that it would meet the declared characteristics. They had to do the same with the F-35. The avionics were completely redone there. But this is Israel.. And in Ukraine there are much fewer Jews. In Russia too..

[alexey_444]

It’s good that they don’t tryndychat as an argument that they don’t want a third world war. In Vietnam, we shot down hundreds of American planes, this did not stop our actors from walking along the red carpet in Cannes. They don’t want to improve their air defense (only combat use with a strong enemy and not with Houthi drones allows us, for example, to have the best air defense systems), so they won’t to fight with us, and this is good news.